That’s the difference between the two. Robotnik has never called himself a failure. he admits he’s made mistakes but doesn’t see them as utter failures. He is a scientist so failures are merely seen as setbacks.
Now Starline really knows what it feels like to be Eggman. "I planned everything out to the smallest detail. I had every advantage. Accounted for every contingency. And I still lost. He destroyed all that effort in MINUTES." Sounds like how a little blue hedgehog sabotages a mustachioed scientist's schemes.
I only just realized that around the "No, Doctor..." panel, he's straight up just rising from the rubble like another of his machines. The Emperor was never his desperation weapon, nor was it just any old ploy. He arranged this SPECIFICALLY so he could personally beat Starline senseless with his bare hands because HE is the weapon.
“You’ve never shown this much foresight before-“ He’s never shown that much foresight when fighting *sonic.* The same person who’s he’s praised and respected, to the point that he almost treats his battles like a game. Starline, on the other hand, is definitely no sonic.
It is a game. Eggman flat out tells Starline that, if he wanted, he could have carpet bombed Sonic into oblivion, but that just isn't fun. He was furious at Starline for trying to lure Sonic into an exploding bunker.
@@Bluesit32 that’s like with bowser, who we know can rip entire islands out of the ground and bust through *the moon* losing to a set of questionably in shape plumbers. There’s a reason there’s always a kill switch at the end of the fight. It’s all a game. Each time the stakes need to be higher, the designs grander, the spectacle flashier. Yk, something like remaking the universe in your image, or in eggman’s case, holding the planet hostage. Subtle right? And it’s not like Mario and sonic don’t enjoy the game also. How many times has sonic had the opportunity to blow robotniks head off, yet he usually lets him go or works with him to take down something else.
One of the better explanations I've seen is that Dr. Eggman is like that because he goes up against SONIC. Sonic is too fast for Dr. Eggman to get hung up on contingencies normally, because that's time wasted when he could be building the next thing. So instead he just keeps things rolling, always jumping to the next plan just to keep up with the blue blur. While Starline absolutely folded as soon as he hit the first major roadblock. Because when Dr. Eggman isn't going against the literal fastest thing alive, he has time to take things apart piece by piece and think things through much more thoroughly.
One thing to take from this is that Robotnik keeps learning to adapt and change to try to see what he could create to snare and best Sonic. He represents those who never give up after a mistake, and learns from it. Essentially, he learns how to fail better and use that to improve himself. Dr. Starline is like a lot of people who have been conditioned terribly on the concept of failure in a derogatory way. That even one mistake or certain factors unreachable due to specific things makes you unable to find success no matter what you do. A crippling insecurity if you let it run your very life. Dr. Starline potential is bogged down by trying hard not to fail, and when he does, he freaks out due to factors in his life that skewed his perception of what failure is at its simple nature, but other insecure people make it worse than it seems because they struggle to find success too. The platypus was so lost in thought over his failure of surpassing Eggman, he didn't see his demise he had seconds to avoid, but did not act in time.
@HalfTangible, and that's not counting how Sonic's friends in the situation since Sonic's many friends are threats to Eggman only lesser than Sonic's threat to Eggman.
Eggman is super strong but he just refuses to use his strength for some reason, like how he single handedly destroyed a wall with his fist in sonic lost world
@@iamlouis1495 don't forget he is still human I think that he can keep up with Sonic at normal speed but all those years fighting Sonic and his friends with eventually make him pick up some things
Starline was nothing but a bag of tricks, so when he took them all away, he not only knew he could beat him hand to hand, but wanted to as to make a fool of him. Trying that kind of maneuver on Sonic would end with him back on his but without his mustache with a throbbing headache. If it was anyone else, he would have used his tech, but Starline needed to be humbled.
"You've never shown this much foresight!" ...Starline hasn't been paying attention. Eggman always has a Plan B. He is always running MULTIPLE plots to take over the world so that if one is taken down by factors he couldn't forsee, he can just abandon it and focus on the next instead. And he always, ALWAYS escapes because he plans for his own defeat in any gambit as well as for his success. In Sonic Adventure, despite being absolutely assured of his Egg Carrier being invincible, he STILL BUILT AN ENTIRE BACKUP EGG CARRIER JUST IN CASE. Eggman has nothing BUT Foresight. He is practically the GOD of foresight. Doctor Starline plans for every single detail, and that was his flaw. When his plans went wrong he didn't know what to do because he couldn't be flexible. If even a tiny detail goes off from his plan it collapses. Eggman plans for every possibility. If his plans go wrong he can adapt them on the fly, and if he discovers something that can be to his advantage, or detriment, he didn't know about... it becomes part of his plan on the spot. Starline never could have outplanned Eggman. Or truly outsmarted him. Pure hubris is what took Starline down.
Most of his tools are flexible too, the egg carrier aa you said his best defense and escape is often always integrated into his mechs in a way atleast early on haven't seen more recent ones but the way that it connects and seems to be easily modified his egg carrier is another strength
@xXYannuschXx He did take precautions. He had absolute control of the metal virus and its zombot victims... at first. Then it did what viruses always do and mutated... and kept mutating and changing... and over time these mutations made it impossible to control it and the zombots the original way. But he had a backup method of control ready, devices he could implant into individual zombots to re-establish his control if he lost it. However, the same problem arose, the virus began steadily evolving immunity to that control system too, and as the metal virus kept mutating and evolving it became apparent that it would eventually mutate away any control method he devised... at which point he abandoned all plans regarding it and withdrew. As for a vaccine, creating one was not only impossible but it would run counter to the entire point of the virus: everyone everywhere being enslaved to Eggman's will.
This is the kind of Eggman I want in Sonic games, an actual mastermind with backup plans for his backup plans, who can outsmart the smartest beings in his verse on a whim
It's the thing Sonic Forces came closest to getting right. "I knew you'd blow up my death ray, so I made a fake one to divert your attention. You're too late now. Game over."
Funniest thing is that eggman didnt even have to intervene, he could've waited for sonic to take starline down since the surge and kit plan failed But he wanted to humiliate him himself
Starline’s whole edgelord persona crumbled when he got fed hands by the Villain notorious for having anyone else’s fight his battles for him and cowering in fear when that fails. And he got quite litterally ragdolled
Starline: "But... But.. But.. How? You have always relied on your suites in battle." EggMAN: "Yes, but that was against a Hedgehog who can break the laws of physics and is favored by fate itself to win." *Slams Starline into concrete* "But against you? an upstart who thinks they are a genius?" *Throws a Punch* "I don't need a mech all I need are the hand that built them." *Throws him to the side* "And the hands that could tear them apart..."
Considering in comics and games, eggman has been shown to do so many superhuman feats like outrunning sonic in multiple games, breaking walls and ice with his bare hands, etc. Getting your butt whopped in a hand to hand fight by eggman is somewhat normal. Also at the end of the day, he's always viewed facing sonic as a little game anyways. He literally shows that he respects the crap out of him, to the point where eggman flat out has said that he could always just end him on the spot. Same with Sonic, as he's had more than enough times to kill Eggman on the spot.
Eggman when the video games force him to only engage with Sonic: sleep Eggman when the comics allow him to interact with literally anyone else and thus actually put his skills to use: holy fuck.
The whole IDW comics are canon, due to them taking place between Forces and Frontiers. So this Eggman and whatever he does is canon. Technically the IDW comics Are the games.
Quick reminder that Eggman is still and always has been a scary villain, he never lost his touch, sure he can be a tad goofy, but his mind is always calculating his mistakes, his repetitive nature is not arrogance but him experimenting with multiple similar trials, each slightly different, every bit of information is stored and processed into his mind, he’s always learning and adapting
I tend to forget, the freedom fighters are superhuman by Mobian standards. Starline is all tech, and Eggman is several feet taller, and heavier than an anthropomorphic platypus. It is not difficult to yeet a normal toddler when all you fight, day in day out, is super toddlers.
We overlook his design choice for each mech with his signature face and smile. So when he himself shows that face in the shadows with his grinning face he emits the terror of what the image truly bestows, FEAR. He is the EGGMAN.
I mean, most of those children-sized characters can send stuff weighing tons flying with their bare hands and destroy super advanced robots. Not to mention the various insane abilities they have. Sure Eggman could likely handle the average human but Sonic & co. are on another level.
you learned you lesson the HARD WAY starline. eggman is not to be messed with he's not like sonic who will put up with you. eggman is a user, he uses everything he has to complete his goals _no matter the cost_ . it doesn't matter if that involves saving sonic and teaming up with him or using innocent mobians like you, he will do whatever it takes to win and rule the world and he _ALONE_ will be the one to sit on a golden throne nobody else. thats the type of person eggman is.
Eggman doesn't want to just kill Sonic. He's said himself that if that was all he wanted, he could just carpet-bomb entire regions until he got him. He wants to _BEAT_ Sonic. Have one of his plans come out on top, first try. Think what happened to Sonic in Forces, but without the successful rescue later. He doesn't refine and re-attempt the same plan, because that's not his style. If he particularly likes an individual machine, he'll repair and upgrade it, but he'll make it something NEW in the process. Metal Sonic is about the only such exception in that regard. It's not about beating Sonic. It's about proving that his intellect and creativity, and creations can overcome Sonic's raw power and speed. Eggman is _always_ holding back against Sonic, because "Victory by any means" is not what he wants. Eggman wants "Victory by _MY_ means."
@@Blaziethyou got it wrong saying He doesn’t wanna outsmart Sonic and kill him with a surprise attack/trap Okay first of all Eggman already tried carpet bombing it didn’t work. Secondly he literally tries to kill the blue blur daily. Third of all everything eggman has done doesn’t work.
This showed that Eggman can actually be a threat against his opponents, but I think the reason Eggman was able to beat Starline was because he could predict what Starline would do against him, which is why Eggman can't defeat Sonic, Sonic is very unpredictable in a fight so Eggman is unable to predict what Sonic will do
This, plus as he himself stated previously Eggman doesn't typically go for the easy option against Sonic. What we see here is what Eggman's capable of when he takes the kid's gloves off.
Thing people fail to remember is that Eggman makes his plans FLEXIBLE because he’s fighting *Sonic.* EVERYTHING can go wrong when you’re fighting this world’s equivalent of Super Man. It’s a miracle that Eggman can even stand up to let alone fight Sonic. People all too regularly forget that Eggman puts double, triple, quadruple redundancies in his plans and still loses only because of how overpowered Sonic is. Starline got by on a fluke. He’s competent, but he effectively barged in while everyone else was preoccupied and declared himself superior. Eggman, finally going toe to toe with someone as… RIGID in mindset as Starline, realized how easy it’d be to exploit his rigidity. Starline planning everything out WAS his downfall. Like it or not, Eggman LEARNS, and he learned from Sonic that it’s easiest to beat someone when they think **they** are in total control. Plans always go wrong, and Starline continually planning everything down to a tee meant that Eggman just had to wedge himself in at the right time and… well… screw it up. Starline wasn’t going to account for any mishaps… Eggman was. His entire CAREER was filled with mishaps. He just used Starline’s mindset against him. This is what happens when Sonic media gets good writing.
Depending on when you count the timeline of sonic, you could say he's been adapting since sonic 1 on the genesis if not sooner. You can see this in how his traps evolved even back in Sonic 2. By sonic 3 and knuckles, Robotnik had even developed a viable, albeit unsuccessful strategy against super transformations, even if that strategy was simply stall until the form ran out of energy.
The day Eggman drops the ego and focuses on doing as much as he can regardless of himself is the day he wins, but it's also the day he stops being Eggman
Eggman, when he does not have some machine to use in a fight, and he comes face to face with.. ..a blue hedgehog: [sets a new land speed record on foot] ..a white platypus: "Are you prepared for the kind of death you've earned, little man?"
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remember that Eggman is a 7 foot person in a world with 4 foot people
And that he competes with a supersonic hedgehog daily, eggman only looks weak because he is constantly compared to sonic. When you realize he is hard enough to take a hit from sonic, and pilot a mech (and other assorted machinery) fast enough to keep up with the supersonic hedgehog, PLUS he can canonically outrun sonic in the games, you realize eggman is borderline superhuman!
People forget that the only thing stopping Eggman from taking over, is sonic himself. Without sonic Eggman would’ve won a long time ago and this shows how sadistic he can be
The start of the IDW comics actually plays after Eggman ruled the earth for half a year because he managed to trap Sonic. The world was only freed from him because they busted Sonic out. A really long time passed and they're still dealing with consequences of the initial conquest all the way up to issue 65 and his first major ploy with the metal virus almost succeeded and I'd argue its failure was entirely due to Dr. Starline lacking the foresight he ironically accused Eggman of lacking by summoning the Six. People forget how frightening Dr. Ivo Robotnik can be because of how he has been portrayed in the games in the past few games and shows. They just went overboard with the goofyness. I'm happy IDW didn't go that path
it's not even just sonic, it's his strange obsession with him. Eggman basically trips on his own brain every time That Hedgehog is involved because he has a very specific idea of what defeating him looks like and circumstances simply fail to align for that idea to come to fruition because, in short, sonic is so fast it's OP. I think Egg said to starline himself once "I could nuke him from orbit at any time but THAT wouldn't prove anything". tldr: if he wasn't out to specifically defeat sonic in such away as to prove his unfathomable genius and superiority, he would have just drone struck his home like he was Obama and Sonic was an Iraqi kid in 2009 and it would have been over.
it’s like detective zenyata, dude gets trounced a lot by lupin but he’s fighting the criminal equivalent of fucking shakespeare, dude puts down standard criminals like clockwork
Yeah, that had to be the one thing he never expected. He's a fat guy who travels in a hovership and pilots mechs. How tough could he be? Apparently, tougher than a psychotic platypus.
Here is the thing, Eggman's greatest strenght is not his genius, but his abillity to take a loss and bounce back, he has sufferd so many defeats an set backs yet he keeps comming back, Starline said it himself "I had everything planned out, every advantage and he destroyed all that effort in minutes." Eggman never lets losses or faliure get him down like Starline.
This is an interesting concept... someone who appears as though they aren't listening, because they know they can go back and consider what you said later.
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 He does, but that's usually out of cockiness and that's one of his only things holding him back. Once he takes things seriously (like here), you can't outsmart him.
*Bro Eggman actually having character development* Eggman already let two gods and a bowser ripoff double cross him there’s no way he’s gonna let some Donald Duck looking ass do that to him
People make the mistake of thinking "Haha, Eggman can't even defeat a speedy blue hedgehog!" What people should be really thinking: "Oh f*ck, it takes running around at the speed of sound to even have a snowball's chance of winning..." Thinking about it, the reason why Dr. Robotnic might have obvious flashing weak points on his machines is because those points are the reason the rest of the robot is INVINCIBLE. Theoretically, Sonic, with his powers, should be able to break Robotnic's machines in any way he desires. Yet, it's only damaged when the glowing weak points are attacked. My theory is that they are some kind of kinetic force negation devices, that convert forces that would normally cause structural failure into light energy, which is then dispersed out of the robot. Once these are destroyed, whatever remaining latent kinetic energy that wasn't dispersed destroy the machine.
Or ya know that's just a videogame mechanic for players to know when to attack the enemy since that doesn't explain every other robot that Eggman has in his arsenal that doesn't have a glowing weak point yet breaks like their made of styrofoam in one hit. That includes from everyone else who's fought them. Eggman goes at Sonic more like a slow burn to just prove his superiority while ignoring everything else until it comes back to bite him in the ass. That includes Starline here, during the Metal Virus arc in that Starline went out of his was to impress Eggman in recruiting the Zeti to control the Metal Virus. Only for the Zeti to betray them because Starline didn't do his homework about Eggman and his relationship with the Zeti to which they kicked him off the ship, took the Emeralds to supercharge themselves, and nearly took over the world themselves all because Eggman overlooked what his fanboy was doing at the time.
@@mistermann4163 Bruh, I understand that yes, it's just a mechanic, and the developers didn't think of the ramifications. But I am thinking of the ramifications, and this is now my personal head canon. Speaking of which, I'll add another: Intelligence is not equal to wisdom. Intelligence is about being able to accomplish something with science; wisdom is about being able to figure out if you should or shouldn't. And yes, there's a lot of things Robotnic and Starline just shouldn't have done. I think the problem is that, while they are genius inventors, they SUCK at being commanders. Their primary tactics seem to be "Random bullsh*t, GO!" If Sonic had gone up against an actually competent strategist, say, Thrawn from Star Wars, he'd probably lose. I personally would be trying everything in my power to take away Sonic's primary asset, which is his speed. However if it is Archie Sonic, screw that, ain't going anywhere NEAR that.
I think eggman purposely builds weak points into his mechs to test sonic. He once said he keeps sonic around for outside stimulus, as every engineer needs some outside variable to motivate themselves and to compete against. In other words, eggman keeps sonic around to test himself.
People sometimes forget that Eggman only looks pathetic because he's up against SONIC AND FRIENDS. Put him up against something that isn't the fastest or strongest being in the galaxy, and he'll stomp.
True. Theyl'd probably put up a fight, using his arrogance or showboating to their advantage, but they ain't Sonic. Sonic is already strong, and he can rely on Eggman's arrogance to give himself the smallest advantage which he sometimes needs to win. But small advantages can only get you so far when your going up against a giant robot with a drill and a rocket launcher machine gun.
Eggman was able to predict what Starline would do and planned a perfect counter, especially with his goggles protecting him from mind-control, he only loses so Sonic and friends because they are too unpredictable, always finding a way through no matter what
Sonic by himself is fast enough to break the laws of physics, and he has Tails at his side, the only one smart enough to rival Eggman. In some versions, he has Knuckles and Amy on the team, two bruisers who crumple metal like paper. And Eggman *still* manages to fight them to a standstill on multiple occasions. He is not the one with whom to fuck.
Fun fact: Eggman can in fact throw hands. Even knuckles has a hard time as Eggman has the superior height and reach advantage when not including added augment equipment. And explains why most characters don't directly engage him alone or in close quarters. Eggman is prideful and spiteful yes but as the video shows, he isn't an idiot. Mistakes are quickly analyzed and touched upon to create fail safes and countermeasures.
People seem to forget that Doctor Eggman loses so much because he goes against demigod hedgehog Sonic and his friends. Normal people? with normal physiques? Obstacles to be tossed aside like paper. He COMPLETELY defeats that duck; Outsmarts him at every turn, and when the chips are down, THROTTLES HIM.
@@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 yes, isn't that even cooler, they got to basically draw a Disney comic character in their comic and Disney itself could only seethe impotently
Considering Starline idolized Eggman and brought him back when he lost his memories as Mr. Tinker. This beating was very much poetic karma and well deserved. Being ended by the very monster he brought back from the dead.
I think people forget that his fight with sonic is a game to eggman. Especially more so in the comics. He loves his mad scientist role, and plays is perfectly. But it sometimes undermines the fact that he is, undeniably, completely INSANE in a way that makes him way more dangerous than people assume.
@@omgitzthunderlol4598 he respects sonic as much as he hates him, and if he is going to beat the blue furball he want's to beat him using his intellect and not brute force or back handed schemes.
some rando: but wait Eggman Canonically has a gun...why didn;t he just shoot Starline? Me: giving him a quick and painless end? not a chance. That would mean he had earned respect and mercy...allowing Starline to be crushed by his failure was making a point.
@lorefox201, if anything, this showed Starline why Sonic is THAT much of a powerhouse that he's the only thing that keeps Eggmah from no diffing the entire IDW verse.
Remember eggman is the equivalent of a 8 foot tall absolute unit, sonic characters are really small close to him the reason he doesn't throw hands often is because he might be a bit of a glass cannon
And also because most of team sonic have their powers to back them up. But im fairly sure Eggman could manhandle most of the animal people, including the ones in team sonic without innate powers like Tails.
@@TeamMarioandSonicDubbing I mean he almost killed all of the residence on the planet with the metal virus. and watched sonic struggle MOCKING HIM LIKE A TOY, and so on.
2:40 this has got to be one of the creepiest moments in sonic. I never though Eggman could do much of anything in a fight without some kind of robot. But this fight just blows that idea out of the water
Eggman is a scientist and more than likely modified his own body whether through augmented biology or by cybernetic enhancements. He is more than capable of just simply punching people into oblivion, but chooses not to most of the time.
Well, It's a universe with walking talking, speedy, spindashing, strong animals. What makes us so confident that the humans there can't do the same and usually just choose to rely on technology?
Starline. Buddy. Amigo. Bro-ski. You were going against a scientist who had the scientific prowess to tango with a hedgehog fast enough to break physics several times over, AND can physically throw hands with some of the stronger fighters the good guys have!
I _adore_ the throwback to Sonic Heroes, seeing the Egg Emperor come out of mothballs for another epic battle. But not as much as I adore Robotnik reminding everyone why he's the only Doctor anyone remembers! 🥚
It would be funny but like, all of his plans already require an incredible amount of prep time. You don’t chain entire planets together and build 5 amusement parks on them without prep time. Also the intro sequence to sonic unleashed was actually him pulling a similar stunt and using prep time… he just kind of made the mistake of not confiscating his opponents weapon before discarding the loser. (In unleashed’s case the chaos emeralds, in this case he confiscated the hypnotic glove)
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Honestly i feel like eggman is fully capa le of throwing hands with a lot of people but prefers beating them with brain rather than brawn
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I feel like Eggman would actually be a serious challenge for sonic if they fought 1 on 1 combat.
@@diegocarrillo7512 I mean he can canonical outrun sonic so yea I believe that
@@maninthevoid I mean, I would also be pretty spent if I had to deal with the Death Egg, but ok.
Remember who Eggman's typical opponents are, dude can absolutely run hands but all his opponents can either move at lightning speed or move mountains
@@maninthevoid only video game sonic, since video game sonic is really freaking slow. Slower than most cars
This is how Eggman should be.
Smart.
Terrifying.
Still slightly goofy.
The perfect Eggman 🥚
That’s the difference between the two. Robotnik has never called himself a failure. he admits he’s made mistakes but doesn’t see them as utter failures. He is a scientist so failures are merely seen as setbacks.
*_"a mistake is no failure, it is merely a setback, a lesson, a step back to make a leap forward"_*
Basically…
Starline: You… listened to me? No, you’ve never listened to me!
Eggman: Dear Starline, never confuse “not listening” with “not caring”.
Ah, a fellow Order of the Stick follower.
I am 99% sure Sonic's super speed is the only thing keeping Eggman from absolutely obliterating him in a fair fight.
Not even a mech, just a straight up fist fight
@@cristodemonte1690 in the games Eggman is classified as a power type.
In the games eggman is portrayed as faster than sonic even super sonic
@@masterharrison3921 "how...can a man...THAT FAT MOVE FUCKIN FAST" - Sonic Paradox
@@Sayonara_Sumi 6ft-10 fat man with science.
Now Starline really knows what it feels like to be Eggman. "I planned everything out to the smallest detail. I had every advantage. Accounted for every contingency. And I still lost. He destroyed all that effort in MINUTES." Sounds like how a little blue hedgehog sabotages a mustachioed scientist's schemes.
But unlike eggman, starline's confidence shattered instantly.
I only just realized that around the "No, Doctor..." panel, he's straight up just rising from the rubble like another of his machines.
The Emperor was never his desperation weapon, nor was it just any old ploy.
He arranged this SPECIFICALLY so he could personally beat Starline senseless with his bare hands because HE is the weapon.
"I AM THE -HYPE- WEAPON!"
“You’ve never shown this much foresight before-“
He’s never shown that much foresight when fighting *sonic.* The same person who’s he’s praised and respected, to the point that he almost treats his battles like a game. Starline, on the other hand, is definitely no sonic.
He tussles with Sonic. Here, he fought starline.
It is a game. Eggman flat out tells Starline that, if he wanted, he could have carpet bombed Sonic into oblivion, but that just isn't fun. He was furious at Starline for trying to lure Sonic into an exploding bunker.
@@Bluesit32 that’s like with bowser, who we know can rip entire islands out of the ground and bust through *the moon* losing to a set of questionably in shape plumbers. There’s a reason there’s always a kill switch at the end of the fight.
It’s all a game.
Each time the stakes need to be higher, the designs grander, the spectacle flashier. Yk, something like remaking the universe in your image, or in eggman’s case, holding the planet hostage. Subtle right?
And it’s not like Mario and sonic don’t enjoy the game also. How many times has sonic had the opportunity to blow robotniks head off, yet he usually lets him go or works with him to take down something else.
One of the better explanations I've seen is that Dr. Eggman is like that because he goes up against SONIC. Sonic is too fast for Dr. Eggman to get hung up on contingencies normally, because that's time wasted when he could be building the next thing. So instead he just keeps things rolling, always jumping to the next plan just to keep up with the blue blur. While Starline absolutely folded as soon as he hit the first major roadblock. Because when Dr. Eggman isn't going against the literal fastest thing alive, he has time to take things apart piece by piece and think things through much more thoroughly.
Basically
Starline’s too slow
Also nothing about Sonic's abilities makes any logical sense at all
So planning against him is kind of an exercise in futility
One could argue that eggmans plans agaunst sonic are stalling tactics for the grand finale qhere he hopes to overpower them
One thing to take from this is that Robotnik keeps learning to adapt and change to try to see what he could create to snare and best Sonic. He represents those who never give up after a mistake, and learns from it. Essentially, he learns how to fail better and use that to improve himself. Dr. Starline is like a lot of people who have been conditioned terribly on the concept of failure in a derogatory way. That even one mistake or certain factors unreachable due to specific things makes you unable to find success no matter what you do. A crippling insecurity if you let it run your very life. Dr. Starline potential is bogged down by trying hard not to fail, and when he does, he freaks out due to factors in his life that skewed his perception of what failure is at its simple nature, but other insecure people make it worse than it seems because they struggle to find success too.
The platypus was so lost in thought over his failure of surpassing Eggman, he didn't see his demise he had seconds to avoid, but did not act in time.
@HalfTangible, and that's not counting how Sonic's friends in the situation since Sonic's many friends are threats to Eggman only lesser than Sonic's threat to Eggman.
Eggman is super strong but he just refuses to use his strength for some reason, like how he single handedly destroyed a wall with his fist in sonic lost world
Because he prefers brains over brawns
Don't forget he is faster than sonic in the second game.
@@iamlouis1495 don't forget he is still human I think that he can keep up with Sonic at normal speed but all those years fighting Sonic and his friends with eventually make him pick up some things
I'd say he avoids fighting himself to reduce the risk of him injuring his arms, as he needs those to build at max capacity
Starline was nothing but a bag of tricks, so when he took them all away, he not only knew he could beat him hand to hand, but wanted to as to make a fool of him. Trying that kind of maneuver on Sonic would end with him back on his but without his mustache with a throbbing headache. If it was anyone else, he would have used his tech, but Starline needed to be humbled.
Eggman was like: ITS TIME YOU FIND OUT WHY IM THE ONLY VILLIAN THAT TRULY CAN STAND AGAINST SONIC!
Eggman: What? Solaris? Infinite? Erazor Djinn? The End? Chaos? Mph, those are all WEAKLINGS.
@@i_like_videogames9517 why did i suddenly hear It has to be this way playing in the background.
"You've never shown this much foresight!"
...Starline hasn't been paying attention. Eggman always has a Plan B. He is always running MULTIPLE plots to take over the world so that if one is taken down by factors he couldn't forsee, he can just abandon it and focus on the next instead. And he always, ALWAYS escapes because he plans for his own defeat in any gambit as well as for his success. In Sonic Adventure, despite being absolutely assured of his Egg Carrier being invincible, he STILL BUILT AN ENTIRE BACKUP EGG CARRIER JUST IN CASE. Eggman has nothing BUT Foresight. He is practically the GOD of foresight.
Doctor Starline plans for every single detail, and that was his flaw. When his plans went wrong he didn't know what to do because he couldn't be flexible. If even a tiny detail goes off from his plan it collapses. Eggman plans for every possibility. If his plans go wrong he can adapt them on the fly, and if he discovers something that can be to his advantage, or detriment, he didn't know about... it becomes part of his plan on the spot.
Starline never could have outplanned Eggman. Or truly outsmarted him. Pure hubris is what took Starline down.
I like how there someone would spend their free time to explain everything in detail ,u are a gentleman ,I thx and respect u for that
Most of his tools are flexible too, the egg carrier aa you said his best defense and escape is often always integrated into his mechs in a way atleast early on haven't seen more recent ones but the way that it connects and seems to be easily modified his egg carrier is another strength
Xanatos Gambit? More like Eggman Gambit.
The only thing is: why didnt he make a vaccine for the metal virus? Or take any precautions? I mean, it nearly cost him his life in the end.
@xXYannuschXx He did take precautions. He had absolute control of the metal virus and its zombot victims... at first. Then it did what viruses always do and mutated... and kept mutating and changing... and over time these mutations made it impossible to control it and the zombots the original way.
But he had a backup method of control ready, devices he could implant into individual zombots to re-establish his control if he lost it.
However, the same problem arose, the virus began steadily evolving immunity to that control system too, and as the metal virus kept mutating and evolving it became apparent that it would eventually mutate away any control method he devised... at which point he abandoned all plans regarding it and withdrew.
As for a vaccine, creating one was not only impossible but it would run counter to the entire point of the virus: everyone everywhere being enslaved to Eggman's will.
This is the kind of Eggman I want in Sonic games, an actual mastermind with backup plans for his backup plans, who can outsmart the smartest beings in his verse on a whim
It's the thing Sonic Forces came closest to getting right.
"I knew you'd blow up my death ray, so I made a fake one to divert your attention. You're too late now. Game over."
Eggman really went:
"Wait a second.... IM 3 TIMES TALLER THEN 90% OF THIS FRANCHISE!"
Funniest thing is that eggman didnt even have to intervene, he could've waited for sonic to take starline down since the surge and kit plan failed
But he wanted to humiliate him himself
That's entirely in-character for Robotnik.
We should never forget, that eggman is still a fully grown tall human man in a world full of small animals.
Remember he catches up with Sonic running in the first games
Right? It is _so easy_ to forget.
Eggman single-handedly destroying the smartest mobian known
Edit: wow 135….you all like this huh?
Epic
@@Waddleboyadvance7187 yep very epic
Well, he is one of the only humans around, aswell as apparently being the smartest there is.
@@Mikescool444 well, yes, but he only uses mechs most of the time, yet he never throws hands, and now that we see him doing so here, HES STRONG ASF
Starline’s whole edgelord persona crumbled when he got fed hands by the Villain notorious for having anyone else’s fight his battles for him and cowering in fear when that fails. And he got quite litterally ragdolled
Starline: "But... But.. But.. How? You have always relied on your suites in battle."
EggMAN: "Yes, but that was against a Hedgehog who can break the laws of physics and is favored by fate itself to win."
*Slams Starline into concrete*
"But against you? an upstart who thinks they are a genius?"
*Throws a Punch*
"I don't need a mech all I need are the hand that built them."
*Throws him to the side*
"And the hands that could tear them apart..."
@@Mr._Galaxywidesonic, watching from the sidlines: Almost makes me feel bad for Starline...almost.
You wanted this Starline. You killed Mr thinker... there's your reward
I agree with you
You wanted him to think things through? Here’s your wish!
Considering in comics and games, eggman has been shown to do so many superhuman feats like outrunning sonic in multiple games, breaking walls and ice with his bare hands, etc. Getting your butt whopped in a hand to hand fight by eggman is somewhat normal. Also at the end of the day, he's always viewed facing sonic as a little game anyways. He literally shows that he respects the crap out of him, to the point where eggman flat out has said that he could always just end him on the spot. Same with Sonic, as he's had more than enough times to kill Eggman on the spot.
Eggman when the video games force him to only engage with Sonic: sleep
Eggman when the comics allow him to interact with literally anyone else and thus actually put his skills to use: holy fuck.
Eggman when he can beat the living shot out of a Platypus: -Doom music kicks in-
The whole IDW comics are canon, due to them taking place between Forces and Frontiers. So this Eggman and whatever he does is canon. Technically the IDW comics Are the games.
Quick reminder that Eggman is still and always has been a scary villain, he never lost his touch, sure he can be a tad goofy, but his mind is always calculating his mistakes, his repetitive nature is not arrogance but him experimenting with multiple similar trials, each slightly different, every bit of information is stored and processed into his mind, he’s always learning and adapting
I tend to forget, the freedom fighters are superhuman by Mobian standards. Starline is all tech, and Eggman is several feet taller, and heavier than an anthropomorphic platypus. It is not difficult to yeet a normal toddler when all you fight, day in day out, is super toddlers.
.. bro this is the best run down i have ever seen in my life.
Starline is just lucky Eggman didn't decide to whip out the Nokia.
"I'm gonna make sure you use a Samsung tablet to make phone calls for the rest of your life!"
@@nightmare9930 I can go golden
@@reaperflar273 gold this
@@philipjamora2345 "Oh Sh*t Wait a Minute!"
@@Federation-Cosmo-Bolt *frieza fucking dies*
Acting strictly rationally and evading mistakes makes you extremely predictable
Being insane and unpredictable and also a genius however...
Know THAT, is what separates a villain. FROM A SUPER-VILLAIN
@@edwintrinidadperazacaraban4650 I thought the key difference was... PRESENTATION!
@@shadowhunter1429 he’s had that from the start.
He was lucky eggman didnt make an announcment when he first entered
Starline at least kept his wife out of it.
IVE COME TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT
“I have an announcement to make”
ruclips.net/video/fueRUi5AWWQ/видео.htmlsi=3MlXJFUZToIK1X6a
"HAHA, REFERENCE!"
We overlook his design choice for each mech with his signature face and smile. So when he himself shows that face in the shadows with his grinning face he emits the terror of what the image truly bestows, FEAR. He is the EGGMAN.
That was one hell of a command grab punish from Dr. Eggman.
Can we all appreciate the eggman voice in this dub? Really fucking good.
Thank you so much!! ❤️❤️
Casual reminder that Dr Eggman is a grown ass 6’1” adult man in a world entirely populated by children sized characters
I mean, most of those children-sized characters can send stuff weighing tons flying with their bare hands and destroy super advanced robots.
Not to mention the various insane abilities they have. Sure Eggman could likely handle the average human but Sonic & co. are on another level.
Shut up.
Except Big and Vector, who are taller and/or about as tall as him
After playing Sonic Riders as a kid, I wondered why Eggman was a power type.
Years in later games and comics, it all makes sense.
Why did I read this in Sonic's voice lmao
"You were playing chess while I was playing checkers. But I've been doing nothing but play checkers for the past 30 years"
- Eggman
you learned you lesson the HARD WAY starline.
eggman is not to be messed with he's not like sonic who will put up with you.
eggman is a user, he uses everything he has to complete his goals _no matter the cost_ .
it doesn't matter if that involves saving sonic and teaming up with him or using innocent mobians like you, he will do whatever it takes to win and rule the world and he _ALONE_ will be the one to sit on a golden throne nobody else.
thats the type of person eggman is.
This isn't a fight. This is a massacre. Starline had no chance.
Starline: ima fight eggman with his machine
Minutes later
Damn... Eggman got hands
As someone once mentioned: "It's not that the main villain is incompetent. It's that their adversary is so formidable they end up passing for a joke."
Eggman doesn't want to just kill Sonic. He's said himself that if that was all he wanted, he could just carpet-bomb entire regions until he got him. He wants to _BEAT_ Sonic. Have one of his plans come out on top, first try. Think what happened to Sonic in Forces, but without the successful rescue later.
He doesn't refine and re-attempt the same plan, because that's not his style. If he particularly likes an individual machine, he'll repair and upgrade it, but he'll make it something NEW in the process. Metal Sonic is about the only such exception in that regard.
It's not about beating Sonic. It's about proving that his intellect and creativity, and creations can overcome Sonic's raw power and speed.
Eggman is _always_ holding back against Sonic, because "Victory by any means" is not what he wants. Eggman wants "Victory by _MY_ means."
@@Blaziethyou got it wrong saying He doesn’t wanna outsmart Sonic and kill him with a surprise attack/trap
Okay first of all Eggman already tried carpet bombing it didn’t work. Secondly he literally tries to kill the blue blur daily. Third of all everything eggman has done doesn’t work.
@@DoomSlayer-gj8qb when did his "carpet bombing" not work? he doesnt "daily" try to kill sonic.
also. it legit says in IDW what @Blazieth said.
@@overuseanimations4590 classic series.
@@DoomSlayer-gj8qb Eggman can just blow up entire Earth while sonic sleeping or etc remember
The way Eggman just casually beats up animals with his bare hands is just funny believe they going to do call the police for animal abuse
What are they going to do, arrest his skyscraper-sized robot mech that can level cities?
The worst part is that bro literally just wants to rule with eggman.
He still even calls him sir and respects him.
It's "Doctor"
🤣
Starline: “I refuse to lose! Not when I’m this close!”
Eggman: *BREAKS YOUR SPINE IN RETURN.*
The 300iq scientist vs 200iq scientist is obvious
When Eggman is not fighting a Hedgehog that breaks all of physics and reality.
This showed that Eggman can actually be a threat against his opponents, but I think the reason Eggman was able to beat Starline was because he could predict what Starline would do against him, which is why Eggman can't defeat Sonic, Sonic is very unpredictable in a fight so Eggman is unable to predict what Sonic will do
bro what are you saying, all sonic does is say "gotta go fast durrrr" and then molest eggman.
@@firekoovin3347Because that worked so well for Sonic in Unleashed. Or SA2. Or Forces...
@@megablueflash1816 i might of not of known specifically how he takes Ls but i sort of already know that this dude has God feats
@@firekoovin3347😂😂😂
This, plus as he himself stated previously Eggman doesn't typically go for the easy option against Sonic. What we see here is what Eggman's capable of when he takes the kid's gloves off.
Thing people fail to remember is that Eggman makes his plans FLEXIBLE because he’s fighting *Sonic.* EVERYTHING can go wrong when you’re fighting this world’s equivalent of Super Man. It’s a miracle that Eggman can even stand up to let alone fight Sonic. People all too regularly forget that Eggman puts double, triple, quadruple redundancies in his plans and still loses only because of how overpowered Sonic is.
Starline got by on a fluke. He’s competent, but he effectively barged in while everyone else was preoccupied and declared himself superior. Eggman, finally going toe to toe with someone as… RIGID in mindset as Starline, realized how easy it’d be to exploit his rigidity. Starline planning everything out WAS his downfall.
Like it or not, Eggman LEARNS, and he learned from Sonic that it’s easiest to beat someone when they think **they** are in total control. Plans always go wrong, and Starline continually planning everything down to a tee meant that Eggman just had to wedge himself in at the right time and… well… screw it up. Starline wasn’t going to account for any mishaps… Eggman was. His entire CAREER was filled with mishaps. He just used Starline’s mindset against him.
This is what happens when Sonic media gets good writing.
Depending on when you count the timeline of sonic, you could say he's been adapting since sonic 1 on the genesis if not sooner.
You can see this in how his traps evolved even back in Sonic 2.
By sonic 3 and knuckles, Robotnik had even developed a viable, albeit unsuccessful strategy against super transformations, even if that strategy was simply stall until the form ran out of energy.
Eggman learns and yet he gets defeated the same way every time. Try again.
@@xJaaku bro please just shut up. In almost every comment I've seen you in you just decide to be a massive dick for no reason
@@xJaakuYou sound like a Twitter user with your "try again"
"Congratulations, my dear Starlink. You really *are* following in my footsteps."
Ouch.
The day Eggman drops the ego and focuses on doing as much as he can regardless of himself is the day he wins, but it's also the day he stops being Eggman
Mr Tinker
@@qbertsandy1367no. Mr. Tinker is the good version.
@@qbertsandy1367but yes if he was on the good side he would win, by helping sonic with enemies beyond just eggman.
Remember in the Archie comics when Eggman snapped I think that's the version
@@qbertsandy1367Out with Eggman.
*In with Robotnik*
Eggman, when he does not have some machine to use in a fight, and he comes face to face with..
..a blue hedgehog: [sets a new land speed record on foot]
..a white platypus: "Are you prepared for the kind of death you've earned, little man?"
remember that Eggman is a 7 foot person in a world with 4 foot people
buddy is used to looking down on people💀
And that he competes with a supersonic hedgehog daily, eggman only looks weak because he is constantly compared to sonic. When you realize he is hard enough to take a hit from sonic, and pilot a mech (and other assorted machinery) fast enough to keep up with the supersonic hedgehog, PLUS he can canonically outrun sonic in the games, you realize eggman is borderline superhuman!
People forget that the only thing stopping Eggman from taking over, is sonic himself. Without sonic Eggman would’ve won a long time ago and this shows how sadistic he can be
The start of the IDW comics actually plays after Eggman ruled the earth for half a year because he managed to trap Sonic. The world was only freed from him because they busted Sonic out. A really long time passed and they're still dealing with consequences of the initial conquest all the way up to issue 65 and his first major ploy with the metal virus almost succeeded and I'd argue its failure was entirely due to Dr. Starline lacking the foresight he ironically accused Eggman of lacking by summoning the Six.
People forget how frightening Dr. Ivo Robotnik can be because of how he has been portrayed in the games in the past few games and shows. They just went overboard with the goofyness. I'm happy IDW didn't go that path
Meanwhile Sonic's just as capable friends in question
it's not even just sonic, it's his strange obsession with him. Eggman basically trips on his own brain every time That Hedgehog is involved because he has a very specific idea of what defeating him looks like and circumstances simply fail to align for that idea to come to fruition because, in short, sonic is so fast it's OP. I think Egg said to starline himself once "I could nuke him from orbit at any time but THAT wouldn't prove anything".
tldr: if he wasn't out to specifically defeat sonic in such away as to prove his unfathomable genius and superiority, he would have just drone struck his home like he was Obama and Sonic was an Iraqi kid in 2009 and it would have been over.
@@lorefox201 so, Eggman's ego really is his own biggest downside
@@pacifistminigun3987 exactly
you know you fucked up when Eggman starts throwing hands
ppl tend to forgot that eggman is a mastermind, the only reason he loses to sonic is that this hedghog breaks all laws of physics
it’s like detective zenyata, dude gets trounced a lot by lupin but he’s fighting the criminal equivalent of fucking shakespeare, dude puts down standard criminals like clockwork
Not just that. The doctor often lets his ego and desire to beat Sonic blind him. He can learn when he wants to, he just chooses not to
"Excuse me, doctor.
You're in my seat."
Absolute power move, especially when he slams in the battle through wit *and* power.
Eggman being only a shadow and eyes looked like sickler in my closet
TFW you consider every possibility expect eggman just beating you up with his fists 💀
Yeah, that had to be the one thing he never expected. He's a fat guy who travels in a hovership and pilots mechs. How tough could he be? Apparently, tougher than a psychotic platypus.
@@Bluesit32that isn’t fat not exactly a lot of that is pure strongman build like. Kingpin
@@Bluesit32 that moment when the egg is several times taller than you and has longer arms than yours:
@@SuperGamefreak18 Pfft...oh no it isn't. Look at those toothpick arms and legs.
Egg really be giving him the "bitch, you thought!" treatment
He also did a Jojo Pose when approaching Starlight.
That moment were eggman exiting the wreckage he looks legitimately terrifying
Here is the thing, Eggman's greatest strenght is not his genius, but his abillity to take a loss and bounce back, he has sufferd so many defeats an set backs yet he keeps comming back, Starline said it himself "I had everything planned out, every advantage and he destroyed all that effort in minutes." Eggman never lets losses or faliure get him down like Starline.
Yeah we know that. Nobody needs an explanation loser
Not everyone knows that. There was no need to be rude to someone who's willing to explain it.
@@xJaaku ok Mr. "i know everything and i don´t need help from strangers" we saw you, good for you.
@@xJaaku L take, bozo
True Eggman style, dudes got to much pride to let someone do all the work. So much he beat his ass for even offering a team up.
This ain't a fight. This is Eggman beating the shit out of Starline
Starline didn't know that eggman has a near perfect idyllic memory or perfect photographic memory meaning he remembers everything
This is an interesting concept... someone who appears as though they aren't listening, because they know they can go back and consider what you said later.
That is utter nonsense, he forgets stuff all the time.
Eidetic
@@anthonyrodriguez8788 He does, but that's usually out of cockiness and that's one of his only things holding him back. Once he takes things seriously (like here), you can't outsmart him.
Eggman folded starline like an omelette
He folded their clothes with them in them
*Bro Eggman actually having character development*
Eggman already let two gods and a bowser ripoff double cross him there’s no way he’s gonna let some Donald Duck looking ass do that to him
Donald Duck lol
nah more like scrooge mcduck looking ahh 😂
Also Neo Metal
People make the mistake of thinking "Haha, Eggman can't even defeat a speedy blue hedgehog!"
What people should be really thinking: "Oh f*ck, it takes running around at the speed of sound to even have a snowball's chance of winning..."
Thinking about it, the reason why Dr. Robotnic might have obvious flashing weak points on his machines is because those points are the reason the rest of the robot is INVINCIBLE. Theoretically, Sonic, with his powers, should be able to break Robotnic's machines in any way he desires. Yet, it's only damaged when the glowing weak points are attacked. My theory is that they are some kind of kinetic force negation devices, that convert forces that would normally cause structural failure into light energy, which is then dispersed out of the robot. Once these are destroyed, whatever remaining latent kinetic energy that wasn't dispersed destroy the machine.
Or ya know that's just a videogame mechanic for players to know when to attack the enemy since that doesn't explain every other robot that Eggman has in his arsenal that doesn't have a glowing weak point yet breaks like their made of styrofoam in one hit. That includes from everyone else who's fought them. Eggman goes at Sonic more like a slow burn to just prove his superiority while ignoring everything else until it comes back to bite him in the ass. That includes Starline here, during the Metal Virus arc in that Starline went out of his was to impress Eggman in recruiting the Zeti to control the Metal Virus. Only for the Zeti to betray them because Starline didn't do his homework about Eggman and his relationship with the Zeti to which they kicked him off the ship, took the Emeralds to supercharge themselves, and nearly took over the world themselves all because Eggman overlooked what his fanboy was doing at the time.
@@mistermann4163 Bruh, I understand that yes, it's just a mechanic, and the developers didn't think of the ramifications. But I am thinking of the ramifications, and this is now my personal head canon. Speaking of which, I'll add another: Intelligence is not equal to wisdom. Intelligence is about being able to accomplish something with science; wisdom is about being able to figure out if you should or shouldn't. And yes, there's a lot of things Robotnic and Starline just shouldn't have done. I think the problem is that, while they are genius inventors, they SUCK at being commanders. Their primary tactics seem to be "Random bullsh*t, GO!"
If Sonic had gone up against an actually competent strategist, say, Thrawn from Star Wars, he'd probably lose. I personally would be trying everything in my power to take away Sonic's primary asset, which is his speed.
However if it is Archie Sonic, screw that, ain't going anywhere NEAR that.
I think eggman purposely builds weak points into his mechs to test sonic. He once said he keeps sonic around for outside stimulus, as every engineer needs some outside variable to motivate themselves and to compete against. In other words, eggman keeps sonic around to test himself.
People sometimes forget that Eggman only looks pathetic because he's up against SONIC AND FRIENDS. Put him up against something that isn't the fastest or strongest being in the galaxy, and he'll stomp.
True. Theyl'd probably put up a fight, using his arrogance or showboating to their advantage, but they ain't Sonic. Sonic is already strong, and he can rely on Eggman's arrogance to give himself the smallest advantage which he sometimes needs to win. But small advantages can only get you so far when your going up against a giant robot with a drill and a rocket launcher machine gun.
Eggman was able to predict what Starline would do and planned a perfect counter, especially with his goggles protecting him from mind-control, he only loses so Sonic and friends because they are too unpredictable, always finding a way through no matter what
Which Eggman does like since it makes the goal of conquest more deserving and it helps him in making stronger bots and more scientific breakthroughs
@@JoshuaA1307 he basically appreciates the challenge that he gets from trying to defeat Sonic, he still hates the hedgehog though
@@michaelkowal3230 facts
Sonic by himself is fast enough to break the laws of physics, and he has Tails at his side, the only one smart enough to rival Eggman. In some versions, he has Knuckles and Amy on the team, two bruisers who crumple metal like paper.
And Eggman *still* manages to fight them to a standstill on multiple occasions. He is not the one with whom to fuck.
Fun fact: Eggman can in fact throw hands. Even knuckles has a hard time as Eggman has the superior height and reach advantage when not including added augment equipment. And explains why most characters don't directly engage him alone or in close quarters.
Eggman is prideful and spiteful yes but as the video shows, he isn't an idiot. Mistakes are quickly analyzed and touched upon to create fail safes and countermeasures.
man woke up and just said "ok plan for the day: get some coffee, make some plans, throw some hands"
difference with starline and Eggman is that Eggman adapts and overcomes his failures
The problem is his own ego
People seem to forget that Doctor Eggman loses so much because he goes against demigod hedgehog Sonic and his friends.
Normal people? with normal physiques? Obstacles to be tossed aside like paper. He COMPLETELY defeats that duck; Outsmarts him at every turn, and when the chips are down, THROTTLES HIM.
Good comment though I just want to say that he’s actually a platypus.
@@GuyGuyGuyG A Platypus?
@@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 yes, isn't that even cooler, they got to basically draw a Disney comic character in their comic and Disney itself could only seethe impotently
@@lorefox201 PERRY the Platypus?!?!?!
@@justsomejerseydevilwithint4606 CURSE YOU PERRY THE PLATYPUS
Considering Starline idolized Eggman and brought him back when he lost his memories as Mr. Tinker. This beating was very much poetic karma and well deserved. Being ended by the very monster he brought back from the dead.
I think people forget that his fight with sonic is a game to eggman. Especially more so in the comics. He loves his mad scientist role, and plays is perfectly. But it sometimes undermines the fact that he is, undeniably, completely INSANE in a way that makes him way more dangerous than people assume.
Kinda.he wants to prove he is better than sonic by playing this game his way.
Honestly, scenes like this make you realise Eggman isn't a pushover. Sonic is just so OP its not even *fair*
Eggman admits he could kill sonic with a carpet bomb but there is no fun in that
@@omgitzthunderlol4598 he respects sonic as much as he hates him, and if he is going to beat the blue furball he want's to beat him using his intellect and not brute force or back handed schemes.
@@omgitzthunderlol4598he has to prove he better
I mean, if Eggman can participate in Olympic Boxing, then he MUST have some fighting chops...
It's like what Eggman said in the fandub, he's the one before gru, he's... Egggru.
"Gottem"
My dream is finally coming into frui-
Eggman: please shut the hell up.
some rando: but wait Eggman Canonically has a gun...why didn;t he just shoot Starline?
Me: giving him a quick and painless end? not a chance.
That would mean he had earned respect and mercy...allowing Starline to be crushed by his failure was making a point.
Bro got cracked like an egg
Folded like an omelette
And scrambled like an egg
That sentence really was egg-selent
You know the saying "Never meet your heroes 'cause you might be disappointed." Well this whole situation is the very definition of it.
I wouldn't call getting beaten to a pulp "disappointment"
@lorefox201, if anything, this showed Starline why Sonic is THAT much of a powerhouse that he's the only thing that keeps Eggmah from no diffing the entire IDW verse.
4:04 Starline forgot height also matters in a fight when your gonna brawl against someone with your fists.
Or in this case, your leg.
Sonic: wait a minute eggman can throw hands too 😮
Yikes! Who knew Eggman had such a powerful slam attack.
7ft has a large build, and once out ran sonic on his feet.
But to be honest. No one until this happened.
Remember eggman is the equivalent of a 8 foot tall absolute unit, sonic characters are really small close to him the reason he doesn't throw hands often is because he might be a bit of a glass cannon
yeah.
And also because most of team sonic have their powers to back them up. But im fairly sure Eggman could manhandle most of the animal people, including the ones in team sonic without innate powers like Tails.
@@funninoriginal6054 i wanna see eggman hit the gym and throw hands with super sonic.
@@littlebadassgaming I want a training montage
Y'all saw boom Eggman? dude looks that he can recreate that Omni man vs Red rush scene against Sonic
it's official, Eggman is not fat, he's fucking jacked!
kinda the same with kingpin in marvel, eggman just doesnt have much of a reason to fight with his fists because sonic's just that much faster
@@Issengan exactly!
@@Issengan can't use them fists if your opponent is like thousands of miles away by the time you start throwing that punch
@@qbertsandy1367 exactly. kinda useless to be tough if its impossible to use it. and besides, being smart is sometimes better anyways
And if the Archie and SatAm continuities have told us anything, Eggman's part robot too
Eggman smiling while shadowed is intimidating as hell
It shows how intimidating Eggman can truly be!
@@TeamMarioandSonicDubbing I mean he almost killed all of the residence on the planet with the metal virus. and watched sonic struggle MOCKING HIM LIKE A TOY, and so on.
Honestly laughed my ass off watching Eggman SLAM HIM AROUND like Hulk ragdolling Loki in Avengers
Puny god...
2:40 this has got to be one of the creepiest moments in sonic. I never though Eggman could do much of anything in a fight without some kind of robot. But this fight just blows that idea out of the water
4:05
eggman finally realized that hes 2 feet taller that the dude hes fighting
6ft v 5’11
Bro when he grabbed the leg was like: damn... *he really bouta rock my shit.*
Eggman is a scientist and more than likely modified his own body whether through augmented biology or by cybernetic enhancements. He is more than capable of just simply punching people into oblivion, but chooses not to most of the time.
He doesn't need robot arms. He's a seven foot tall goliath fighting a three foot tall platypus.
No. Well not this one. He is using he raw power of his "mortal body".
Dude builds his own mechs, he's got enough strength behind those arms to go toe to toe with Mike Tyson
He's quite possibly the descendent of Theodore Roosevelt
Well, It's a universe with walking talking, speedy, spindashing, strong animals. What makes us so confident that the humans there can't do the same and usually just choose to rely on technology?
' Approximately 2% of my body is made of fat. The other 98% is pure muscle. ' 4:05
' Allow me to show you what the 98% can do. '
Dude is literally just Wilson Fisk from marvel comics but with a lankier build. Literally peak human performance, the ideal male form.
We should all grow to be like Eggman.
…wait
THIS EGG GOT HANDS!
In Soviet Russia, the egg scrambles you.
People often forget that eggman, for all his intellect, is also quite physical strong
Jim carry robotnik had some military training.
That first starline 'line' was so on beat i thought he was gonna start rapping
Idk what is more cursed, Eggman being able to throw hands or Zoro having sense of direction
Starline. Buddy. Amigo. Bro-ski. You were going against a scientist who had the scientific prowess to tango with a hedgehog fast enough to break physics several times over, AND can physically throw hands with some of the stronger fighters the good guys have!
AND HE GOT BEAT BY HIS OWN CREATIONS! LIKE BRO EGGMAN HAS NEVER BEEN BEATEN BY HIS OWN CREATIONS!
@@TVmantitan779 What about Neo Metal Sonic capturing him?
We keep forgetting...eggman has an IQ of over 300
300 on the dot his iq is 300.
'eggman is so weak'
fucking eggman:
I _adore_ the throwback to Sonic Heroes, seeing the Egg Emperor come out of mothballs for another epic battle.
But not as much as I adore Robotnik reminding everyone why he's the only Doctor anyone remembers! 🥚
Reminds me of a scene in AoStH where Robotnik effortlessly heaves up 300 lbs of ham. Secret monster
i mean everyone in the sonic universe is more impressive than you'd think at first glance
reminds me of how in sonic x, he just punched one of the ark's turrets to break it (I only remember seeing a screenshot of that scene though)
eggman isn't fat, that's all muscle
300lbs is also the weight of Metal Sonic, apparently. And this version of Eggman can carry Metal Sonic with one arm.
Can't wait for “Eggman wins with prep time” to become a meme
the Egg needs no prep time, he runs your fade RAW
It would be funny but like, all of his plans already require an incredible amount of prep time. You don’t chain entire planets together and build 5 amusement parks on them without prep time. Also the intro sequence to sonic unleashed was actually him pulling a similar stunt and using prep time… he just kind of made the mistake of not confiscating his opponents weapon before discarding the loser. (In unleashed’s case the chaos emeralds, in this case he confiscated the hypnotic glove)