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Gas Goliath battle 2024 chevy 2500 hd 6.6 Gasser vs. 7.3 Godzilla Ford Super duty..round 1 winner!
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- Опубликовано: 12 май 2023
- Here it is, the beast in the east winner. 108 mile rip accross hills and valleys in the northeast of Colorado. The Big Red 2024 Chevrolet Silverado 2500 HD L8T gasser 6.6 V8 with Allison 10 speed takes on, The General the big 7.3 Godzilla F-250 V8 with Torque shift 10 speed. Who wins this round, watch and see. In a few weeks we will be running the long Ike Gauntlet, yeah, not an 8 mile job, the whole enchalada. So grab some popcorn as this is long but worth it. If you are buying a new truck these two gassers need you condisderation, because they can run with the big boys now.
Subscribe and check out the four part series on this and keep watching as I will put both my trucks against what they say is the most greuling run in the U.S.
Late to the party. On the diesel gas debate, many of us just don’t want the fuss. Yea diesel maybe the best in every category, but if it means more money, more problems, more restrictions, I’d rather have a gas every time. The simplicity of these gas trucks are amazing and they are good trucks. If you need to get on RUclips and argue about your diesel truck to justify your purchase to guys who own gas trucks to compensate for your small package in your pants, you need to reevaluate yourself. They’re all good trucks.
Do you have a preference? Would you buy a Ford or Chevy? I am torn..I want a 3/4 ton that can pull my White Hawk 38 footer. And I am waffling back and forth on a Chevy or a Ford..ultimately I want to buy the best for my money. Reliability matters to me all day long.
@@michaelerickson3626 I currently own a ford but I might would go with a Chevy 2500. I think they’re superior.
@@ghilliemanreviews thanks for the response and recommendation. Appreciate it. Have a great day sir.
Great review! I have been dragging trailers all over the country since 1976. I have and do own several HD pickup’s. Today’s gas trucks have way more capability than the diesels we were using just a few years ago! Truth is, 95% of people who have diesel trucks don’t need them, they just want them, and that is okay. Everything you are saying is dead on.
Thank you for this series and it could not have come out at a better time. I am almost out of warranty on my diesel and ordered a F350 in October with the 7.3 gas. Build tracking shows it “in production” since April 24th with no update on a build date and Dealer says it’s basically on hold. So after watching this I think I will go check out the GMC with the gasser in it. Hell if they are that close in performance and cheaper might have to go that route. Looking forward to the Ike runs, great content man thanks again.
Thanks for watching, Absolutely worth a drive down there and take a spin to see what you think. I love both trucks, but after having both, towing, I go out and get in the chevy to drive everyday now. I really enjoy it. Thanks again
@@automotiveinquiries9673 This may seem like a poorly informed question but would you think your opinion would carry over to the GMC version of the 6.6L gasser? Thank you.
Excellent Videos!! I ordered a Chevy 3500 with the diesel back in February. After about a month I changed my order to the 6.6L gas. After watching your videos I feel I made the right choice. My 3500 gas will arrive next month. Thanks for the great videos.
Absolutely, thanks for the feedback and congrats on the new rig. I really do enjoy driving big red, over the zilla now. There's just something about that truck that had tough swagger all over it. I definitely don't think you'll be disappointed at all
If you don't mind, Post back how you dig it.
Very good, non biased content in your videos and you're doing a fantastic job. Nice to see more real world videos as not everyone runs a max load at WOT to 11,500 ft elevation. You break down the pro's and con's of each very clearly and without bashing. I've really enjoyed the videos and became a subscriber to your channel as a result. Thanks for putting this content out there and keep up the great work!
Great summary and presentation of your experience with these trucks. I'm leaning toward the Ford just because I like that 7.3L engine... But you've got me thinking!
These videos are well thought out and put together. Had been helping me choose between gas and diesel. Still leaning towards diesel but will continue watching these videos to help me choose .
I appreciate the feedback and understand completely, the 24 l5p diesel duramax is a game changer for emissions and the cheapest diesel around any trim level.
What exactly do you mean game changer for emissions ? ? I really appreciate the info & comparisons , looking at both the Ford & GM gassers but would like you to elaborate on the emissions remark ? Thx 👍⚾️
Great video! You mentioned running premium fuel. The 6.6 doesn’t benefit at all with Premium fuel and actually does better with regualr since that’s what it’s tuned for. The Godzilla is recommended to run premium while towing. This creates a huge difference in price with the fuel difference
Absolutely...I've seen no real difference on big red, with premium.....I just wanted to run both trucks the same so it wasn't a question, but Absolutely it would make the chevy even cheaper to run. I just saw this weekend diesel up in Eastern Colorado 1.35 a gallon more than regular.
Find a tuner for the GM 6.6L and mileage will improve.
all new vehicles have knock sensors. the computer advances the timing until knock is detected and then retards the ignition to eliminate the knock. this maintains the most power for the available fuel. you can see this with a scan tool displaying timing while driving. would be interesting to see those numbers for different fuel.
Great review, I enjoyed watching. I was a little surprised that the Chevy did as well as it did. The 10 speed Allison designed transmission is a game changer, and GM stepped up big with towing and payload capacity several years ago. I've known the L8T is a great engine, but it's shocking how much having a quality 10 speed transmission changes things. But it makes sense. More gears and a solid build is just what the doc ordered from a Allison design. I really wanted GM to one up Ford in the displacement department. I wanted them to come out with a modernized LSX 454 with direct injection on the LT block. But that would be too radical I guess. I think that LSX 454 crate engine put out around 700 hp and was 7.4L in a small block!
This was buy far the best comparisons video series I've seen on gas HD .Thanks ⛽️
2 weeks ago bought a new 2024 2500 HD LT 6.6L gasser. The new Allison is great, watched the whole video and you really made me feel good about my purchase decision.
Thanks for the unbiased opinions and hard work.
Absolutely, thanks for being here. Congrats on the new rig! I love the l8t!
The so called Allison 10speed behind your gas engine is not a true Allison, GM owns the Allison name, so you know you have a GM corporate transmission. Also any transmission with many speeds tends to have a short life, more gears equals to more moving parts which creates wear
Much appreciated for the effort. Like you said there is many of us that don’t need the complete beef of a diesel. ✌️😎👍
Great Video! Thank you for taking the time to compare the two trucks. At the end of the day, they both get the job done. Looking forward to your upcoming videos! MY 2500HD hasn't come in yet but maybe next week. Have a great weekend.
Thanks for being here and the feedback....I'm excited for you! Look forward to hearing how you dig it.
Great head to head comparison. Thanks for taking the time and making the effort. I think that you helped me make my decision. Looking forward to seeing the Ike comparison for entertainment purposes but really not applicable for my Texas driving.
Appreciate the work you did to put these videos together. Great stuff, and appreciate your thoughts and opinions and your results. I was surprised the allure of the monster 7.3 didn't sway your decision, and being a Chevy guy I'm pretty happy about it. Definitely glad though that there's multiple gasser options out there to tow non-CDL level loads these days. Great stuff and looking forward to your future content!
Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate you watching. I was really pleasently surprised myself, when it comes down to bang for buck, control, and power, chevy took the honors, and look forward to the denver ike gauntlet run with both.
When I ordered my pickup, I sat with the dealer, who sells all 3 brands, compared gas engines (7.3L Ford wasn’t available at the time, 8/21), comparing packages and features, I ended up with a ‘22 Chevy LT 2500 with 6.6L gas!
And I’ve been very happy with the decision. I REALLY wish the Allison 10sp would have been available, but I’m still satisfied with the 6sp. With the torque range of the L8T, having only 6 gears doesn’t hurt pulling my 33.5’ bumper-pull 12,500# toy hauler.
Great review👍
Thanks for watching. I appreciate your feedback with the 6 speed and that it does great.
I have a 22 model 6.6 Chevy and pull a skid steer at about 12,000 LB Daily with it on flat land. No issues whatsoever currently and no oil consumption. Owned a few diesel trucks and I usually only have 20-30 miles between drives and the new diesel needs open road to work correctly. Happy with my truck but wish I had the 10 speed transmission.
@@gmatthewpaulme too.
2:17 Interesting point brother.
Great video! I'll be making a purchase this year of a gasser and this helped tremendously with my decision making process. I've heard the 6.6 has issues with oil consumption so please keep us posted as to what you are experiencing regarding that issue.
Very realistic breakdown. There’s so many factors that could be argued. I’ve had a wide variety of heavy duty diesels and gassers (Chevy, Ram, Ford) your preaching truth instead of opinion. Both great trucks in the end and will get it done but very informative 👍🏽
Great series of videos. Thank you for sharing your thoughts and experiences with the towing. I have been trying to decide between the two trucks and this series has helped tremendously.
Thanks for the feedback and watching. I'll have the full Ike gauntlet in two weeks...it's going to be a workout for em....as we're going from denver to Silverthorne and back with each one....should be fun
You by far have one of the best channels on HD trucks. You’re extremely thorough and knowledgeable. No one can compete.
Thanks, I really appreciate the feedback....we have some great towing with the extended ike challenge this week with both trucks
I just got the LT 6.6L Gas Z71 in the same color about 2 weeks ago. So far I'm loving it!
Congrats on the new rig! The L8T crushed 12 miles this summer....almost all towing. It's really and excellent rig! Glad your enjoying it.
Great reviews of both trucks. I’m going this week to look at a 2024 for towing a travel trailer. Awesome information
CONGRATULATIONS sir; Very complete analysis and tests on trucks. But his comments are much more accurate and I don't understand everything because of my limited English. I send you greetings, a HUG and best wishes from CDMX, Mexico.
Thanks, I appreciate you watching.
You did a great job with this comparison.👍
The other problem with diesels, is cold starting in northern climates. Places that do see -40 or colder in the winter. Without plugging them in they dont start well, sometimes they still struggle being plugged in, if you have summer fuel in the tank it will gel up. My uncle is a die hard diesel guy, i asked him if he would recommend the diesel over the gas to me, being that i care far more about reliability over power, he told me to get a 6.0 2500hd (this was before the 6.6 L8T came out). Diesels are great, and they have their place, but they are not the blanket answer across the board for everyone.
100% agree
A buddy just bought a 2023 2500HD with 6.6 gasser and the 6-speed. Pulls a toyhauler oaded with motorcycles (not nearly as big as what you pulled). After several trips to NM and southern Colorado, he lives it. Had it built with the interior he wanted (driver/passenger power/heated seats, heated steering wheel, and manual towing mirrors, sprar-in bedliner, anolog guages). Priced out at $58k. Very similar results on MPG to your tests. He's already added side steps and mudflaps. It's not a High Country, but it IS a very nice truck for that price. Dude did his research! A similar Ford F250 with the 7.3 was over $10k more at the time to build AND a longer wait time. Seems that price difference has come down but still the Chevy is cheaper.
So, why are diesel owners in Colorado getting hosed? In NM and Texas diesel is the same or cheaper than gas.
Politics probably
I have a 21' F350 Crew SB 4x4 6.2 10-speed 4.30. The transmission was terrible and had every issue that an auto can have ie. hard shifting, harsh engagement/disengagement, shift flare. I took it to my dealer with these complaints and they found a TSB. The truck is completely different now and I assume it's shifting like Ford intended. I had mostly GM 6.0 HD's over the 15 years but couldn't stomach a new 6.6 gas with 6-speed and 3.73's. I'm not brand loyal so I went to Ford and was starting to regret it but the TSB saved the day. My 21' has a camper package and the ride is not far off from my 2016 Sierra 2500 Z71 with no camper package. Ford does do a lot of things good but I'm not sure I'll buy another one when I'm done with this truck. I have a had a lot of quality issues that I never experienced with several GMs. We'll see.
I'm glad that fixed it for you. I think the torque shift is a great transmission. But ford has had some issues with quality control. The 6.2 is a great motor. And the 6.6 with the 10 spd, is fantastic. That changed the motor completely.
@@automotiveinquiries9673 I was disappointed with the 6.6 didn't come with the 10-speed. I knew they'd do it gradually but I couldn't wait any longer. I've been a big fan of these proven gas engines. GMs 6.0 was easy to own and Ford's 6.2 is the equivalent. The 10 gears and 4.30s makes towing easy. It definitely doesn't have the overall grunt of the 7.3 at wide open throttle but regular towing is a breeze with this truck.
I must say I was surprised when I watched the towing videos, I honestly "assumed" before your series that the ford would put the chevy to shame towing and so that goes to show how much water my "assumptions" held up, they meant squat. Real world testing like this gave real world meaningful results. As another comment was said about the differing differential ratios between the trucks, that could have some bearing on the outcome but then again there are 10 gears as we are not talking 6 or going way back to 3 gears in an auto which then rear end ratios became everything. I could see the higher gearing of the Ford having some effect in empty fuel mileage but for all I know the Ford may have a more fuel efficient engine platform.
The Chevy has bigger tires so the gearing is super close taking that into account. The fuel mileage is very close and the Chevy only has 500 miles on it so far. The Chevy is quite a bit taller and doesn’t have a snow plow for an air dam that would get ripped off on a speed bump
Thanks for the input, and for watching. I'm looking forward to the gauntlet here in two weeks!
Finally someone else mentions the transmission gearing instead of solely the rear end gearing.
In his test, his Ford with the 3.55 was in 3rd gear and turning over 4500 rpm at about 65 mph. 3rd gear is a 2.13:1 ratio so that gives it a 7.56:1 final drive with his truck. 2nd is 2.91:1 so I seriously doubt he could have shifted to 2nd gear in that scenario (4500+ rpm 60+ mph). I’m sure someone will say the 4.30 would have done better but the reality is the 4.30 wouldn’t have been able to even go to 3rd there because it would have gave him a 9.15:1 final drive. The 4.30 would have been in 4th gear with a nearly identical 7.61:1 final drive as the 3.55 had in 3rd. So even the 4.30 in that scenario would have been at the same rpm and speed as what his truck did.
The Ford will put the Chevy to Shame the Chevy has GM’s best ratio, Put the 430s in the Ford and almost 22,000 pounds of towing, Watch the old TFL video the Ford beach the Chevy up the ike by three minutes plus that is a huge difference. They aren’t even in the same league when it comes to Mountain towing . I have Chevys at work three 2022s I don’t like them they’re too high the bed height the hood height all of it it’s all too high they’re very difficult to work on. You need a step ladder to check the oil the cab room is really nice on the Chevy. We have regular cabs I do not like GDI only fuel systems that’s a big negative I do not like that you cannot check the transmission oil huge negative. New GM, front suspension is far superior to the Ford for daily driving and feedback. There’s also translates into it being more stable tow vehicle. The solid front axle Ford just does not track as straight or true. I would buy the Ford just for the far superior visibility from the drivers seat especially over the hood and sides .
@@JohnDiMartino 4.30 wouldn’t have made any difference in his test. See my above post but at the speed and rpm he was at in 3rd gear he would have been in 4th in the 4.30 with essentially the same results because the final drive ratio is nearly identical.
The 4.30s purpose is slow speed, extreme off road type grades. There it would be superior to any of the other ratios. But at highway speeds and grades it doesn’t offer any advantage because the transmission is making it up by being able to downshift one extra gear as compared to the 4.30.
Great stuff! Awesome real world test and series.
Thanks for being here and watching.
Love your videos! I didn't read through all the comments, and I apologize if I missed you mentioning this little fact. The 6.6L Gasser was made to make it's power on 87 octane. Even in the manual it says 87 octane is recommended. That is the only HD gasser like that. The Godzilla will run on 87, but it's power rating is based on 91 octane, and even in the Ford manual it says 91 Octane or higher is recommended, same for the Ram Hemi engines. Just food for thought.
Thanks I appreciate the feedback. I appreciate you mentioning that. The zilla does lose some juice if you don't use premium. But to keep it 100 even I just ran both on premium. Although it doesn't hurt or help the chevy, it would lend potentially to the ford. I was definitely surpsied when the chevy won this one. I'm looking forward to the Ike run here in a few days.
@@automotiveinquiries9673 I'm looking forward to that as well. While TFL has made that run famous, I'd probably change the way they do it for sure. Just by watching your other vids, I'm pretty sure you're gonna nail down some of the things they don't.
Super informative video.
You forgot the rear end ratio’s regarding trans shift spots etc…maybe a f-350 be a smoother ride with trailer. I like my new ‘23 f-350 6.7 HO regular cab xl
Awesome content!! Thank you brother!
i appreciate your review and look forward to the rest. I do believe you are mistaken on the Allison Branded transmission being the exact same in both the 24 Gas and 6.6 Duramax. The part numbers are not the same. The Transmissions share the same name: 10L1000, but the actual part number of the Gas Transmission is: 24294430 vs. 24297785 in the Duramax LP5 trucks. So they are not the same.
Well, I was dead set on the 7.3. After watching im going to take a serious look at the 6.6. Thanks for the video
Don’t waste your time. Watch the Tfl max tow test for the 6.6 and you’ll understand
@@ShortbusBoss That test was done with the 6-speed. This 24' has the 10-speed and isn't handicapped by the old gearing. That's what this video was about.
Great video! Very thorough and fair.
Great video series. I’m not terribly surprised by the results and your pick for the winner because I’ve had a 6.6 Chevy gas truck now for nearly 26,000 miles. Mine of course is the 6 speed but the motor is strong. It’s making over 400 foot pounds of torque from 2000-5000 rpm. To put that into context for people that’s more than any 5.3 or 6.0 truck V8 made at their peak and is very similar to what the first generation 6.2s made at their peak.
So power is not a problem. I knew the 10 speed was going to make a huge difference in towing performance because of the gear spread. Currently the 6 speed wants to be in 3rd gear for most grades and for 6% and down it will stay around 3500 rpm and accelerate and everything is fine. 7% it won’t accelerate but it will hold speed and dip a little closer to 3000 rpm.
The problem is you’re pretty much all in at that point because the 6 speed doesn’t have another ratio to give to get you to 4000 rpm. 2nd gear is too short and will push the motor over 5000 rpm and max out at about 65 mph and has to upshift. So I knew with the 10 speed having two extra gear’s between the 6 speeds 2nd and 3rd gears would be a HUGE improvement.
Also as far as fuel mileage goes, I had a 2020 L5P and it got basically 2 mpg better in most instances than my current 2022 L8T. So this past weekend I went racing and ended up with a 176 mile round trip and 8.2 mpg average. On that same trip my diesel got 10.4-10.7 mpg. So fuel prices last Saturday were 3.15 for regular and 4.29 for diesel. So even if I take the high average for the diesel that trip would have cost me $70.71 in diesel and it cost me $67.80 in my gas truck. So you are dead on with the cost thing.
Look forward to seeing more videos, especially of Big Red.
Don't forget u got to add def on top of that
@@bigmurph1447 yes sir. And the L5P drinks it towing. Tons of power though and I could set it and forget it with it but I don’t miss it compared to my 2022 gas job.
@@matthewanderson9912 I am looking into a new chevy. I sold my 2012 dodge dually with stick shift and got crazy money for it. I leaning towards ordering a 2024 3500 chevy with gas.
@@bigmurph1447 and the extra maintenance cost
@@bigmurph1447 well the 10 speed is a game changer for it. Don’t get me wrong, the 6 speed is ok and does pretty good but it always needed another gear between 2nd and 3rd and with the 10 speed it’s basically getting two.
You are doing great work
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback.
You give so much great info. Thank you
Absolutely 💯 thanks for being here.
The 6.6 gas will get better mpg once it breaks in. My 2021 gmc 2500 AT4 with 31k on just got a low on the highway of 17.5 to 20 mpg unloaded 630 miles from New England to the outer banks on a family vacation it did awesome couldn’t be happier with it got about 565 miles to the tank.
That is great mileage....another plus for the 66
Been waiting to here your thoughts on this since starting the series. I'm sure you have already thought about this but would love to see this kind of video alter on with the new 6.8 and see how that one does. I think that is going to be a great engine for ford. Hard to knock down the Vortec, great engines and the Allison is a stout transmission.
great piece ! love the comparison and honest assessment. i have ordered a denali with l5p. i do keep my vehicles until the wheels fall off. current f250SD w7.3 has 380k. i simply believe the potential resale of a diesel will be greater and any mileage above 200k. if you keep fuel records for each truck, maybe show total mileage and fuel consumed over say 50k miles. makes it a true average :) keep the videos coming- i just subscribed.
Happy with my 7.3 Tremor. The low end grunt far exceeds the Chevy 6.6 gas when driving both.
4.30 gears vs 3.73 will do that 😉
@@07smoker GM 6.6 will never compete with the 7.3.
@@98durangopack you obviously must have had the video on mute. The 2024 6.6 gas with a 10 speed is right there with the 7.3 and the 6.6 is a no charge standard motor
@@98durangopack we will find out on the Ike test just how far apart they are.
Duramax says fuck both of them.
Transmission temps on my 2023 7.3 F350 is the only thing that scratches my head. Going up a 7% grade I peeked at around 220 that was pulling a pretty small 3500lbs load though I did have close to 1 ton of payload in the truck.
Good info, Im currently buying a 7.3L even though I want a diesel Ill never "NEED IT" and one damn DPF/EGR issue or turbo issue and your fuel MPG efficiency to dollar is completely screwed. For the guys towing a skid loader or large horse trailer the 7.3L makes sense. The 10k to 12k seems to be the sweet spot for the 7.3L
Great fair review! I have to wonder if the difference in fuel economy is due to axle ratios. I have seen where the 7.3 with 4.30 gears takes a hard hit on fuel economy.
Axle ratios, the Chevy is taller, weighs more because the bed is bigger, and the Ford has a massive air dam
You are absolutely right. In my powerstrokes I always ordered the 3.31s so I could pull and get more economy. In my dually I did get the 4.30s. And that does do a punch in economy.
I really thought about testing a gas truck, but I have been driving diesel’s since 1984, and Duramax’s since 2004 and they have all been tuned and once you cross the five hundred horsepower mark it is hard to go back. I just bought a 23 Gmc Denali dually since my 17 Silverado 3500 was always overweight. I immediately added a Banks Idash and derringer to make my 23 run like my 17. I tow a 15k fifth wheel and I usually have a tag trailer or Jeep behind it.
Great video!!! I'm glad the 6.6 can now hang with the Godzilla. Took it a few years to do so but that's fine. I do think Ford will answer back with more hp and torque. There is still plenty left in the bag for both motors. Ford did supposedly add the ports for direct injection for use in the future. And to be fair the Ford is available with a 430 gear which would probably give it the edge. I have both and love them both. The Chevy definitely rides better and seems to have better build quality. Trying not to be biased either way.
Should compare the 6.6 to the new 6.8 Ford gasser🤷🏾♂️
Yes please!
Very nice breakdown. I do have a question, does either engine require or suggest premium fuel for these engines to give optimal performance/timing?
No idea about the 6.6, but the 7.3 doesn’t.
I just bought a 22 gasser coming from a duramax… I don’t tow much so I’ll be fine. That said, to me, if you tow big and often…get a diesel…if not drive what you like and what you can afford.
It’d be interesting to hear Ford engineering give an explanation for the high transmission temp. After this video I paid attention to my trans temp and unloaded it was steady at 209. Even though you say we weren’t able to get a feel for the grades of the roads in your video, Your test was still relatively easy on both trucks. Many people would be pounding the gas pedal up those grades and coming down harder, makes me wonder what their temps are getting to? Even though us shade tree mechanics say “heat kills”, with the amount of engineering involved in designing the trans you have to believe they were well aware of the trans temps. Your simple short drive test raised questions quick.
Another great Video.... I just sold a perfect 2018 F350 DRW Platinum Diesel for more then I bought it for, lol. I just didnt use it like it was needed for. So I now want/need a HD Gas and trying to figure out which one to get. Appreciate this info
First time since I can't remember but saw gas more expensive than diesel in N Austin @ $3.09 for regular gas & $3.03 for diesel. Still too much but its been a while
The GM does not have a 10 speed Allison. Allison did not design it or build it. It's Allison approved that's it. The trans is actually very similar to the Ford 10 speed. Plenty of videos showing this.
What ? It’s not an Allison ? WTF ?🤬
@@bobmariano3731 He is wrong. Do not listen to him
@@bobmariano3731he’s correct. It’s co designed by ford and GM. The major difference is ford tuning vs GM tuning. Otherwise mechanically the same. Allison just gave their stamp of approval.
Not hating on anyone that needs or wants a diesel, but my use definitely can be satisfied with gasoline. Just watch out buying a diesel for "want" rather than "need" - It's really hard to predict the future, especially where emissions equipment and enforcement is concerned.
Love the content bud, definitely surprised at the outcome but I'm very interested in your opinion because I'm in the market for one of these trucks.
Great stuff. Ive got the 6.6 L8T but with the 6 speed. Have you towed with that set up and if so any thoughts on how much improvement with the 10 sp Allison?
I've only towed smaller stuff with the 6spd. And by no means is it bad. But towing with the 10spd....the l8t is a completely different truck, so much so it felt as powerful as the zilla. With the 6 spd I felt that it just wasn't the same.
I don’t know how long you will keep the Chevrolet but I would be very interested in the oil usage. I’m planning to upgrade from my 2003 F150 next year. I am seriously considering a GMC with the 6.6 gas but I have read some disturbing stories about oil consumption. I’d love to hear your first hand account.
Get the Lil superduty with the 6.8 motor it's right there in the Convo🤷🏾♂️
Chevy identified this issue as normal on the 2021-2022, when the motor came out. I definitely am curious if they fixed it yet, like they did in other motors.
@@crawdaddct The oil consumption is not that serious actually - it only was most problematic on the 2020 models (and even then was not too problematic ).
Good series. I’m currently in the market. Have been looking at all the HD models. The Chevy 2500 LT Z71 definitely seems like the best bang for your buck in the industry at around 61k. Glad to see your test of the Custom kinda confirmed that. My only concern is the oil consumption. Trying to find out if Chevy has fixed that yet. Not a deal breaker, my current Chevy 1500 drinks oil. Just have to check it when I get gas.
Thanks, I've experienced zero oil usage and zero watchers of the channel that own one have any usage so I don't think it's as prevalent . However since gm suffers from it in the past its good to save on a class action law suit to just put the TSB out and say its possible.
I was a ford fan boy until I got my 22 custom.
Absolutely 💯...the custom is really an awesome looking truck and bang for buck trim
Diesel is 10 cents a gallon cheaper than regular where I live, that makes things pretty significantly skewed towards the diesel.
That being said, I don’t care. I’d rather tow at 1500-2000 rpm than 3000-5000, and have less shifting.
That does make the diesel more appealing for sure. I did a video on the new l5p 2nd gen.....game changer. So many people reporting over needed regen issues in the new 23 power stroke.
How do you feel about the Chevy direct injection and the potential buildup on the intake valve? Is this concern valid? Thank you.
Get an oil catch can and it’ll resolve it. Don’t go cheap.
I’m really sick of people calculating out the mileage to pay off the cost of the diesel engine option. If you’re going to do that, you need to do the exact same for EVERY OTHER OPTION! How many miles is it going to take to pay off the upgrade stereo or LTZ trim or the sun roof? Just like the LTZ will be worth more at resale, so will the diesel…..because they cost more upfront.
I just sold my 2012 dodge diesel dually with a 6speed manual that i got crazy money for. Now i am looking at buying another 1ton truck i own nothing but dodge diesels but been eyeing up the new chevy gas and ford 7.3l. Just because i dont want the emissions.
Really good stuff...
You had the Chevy set at 65 why didn’t you have the Ford at 65 it was 62 if you was doing a apples to apples comparison
If I remember, wasn’t the Chevy a 3:73 geared truck, while the Ford was 3:55? That would affect both the deceleration and the transmission hunting for gears.
The Chevy has bigger tires so the gearing is actually super close
@@Billybob50119 what are the tire sizes on these two exact trucks? I’m really curious. I thought both trucks came, in these trim levels, with tires that were about the same height. Around 32-33 inch tires.
@@cshead the Chevy has 20” wheels and the ford has 18” wheels. The Chevy has about 1.25” taller tire
@@Billybob50119 I’d like to see this test, with same gears and tires and see how they compare. I’d imagine the Ford would do better than it did with the shifting, but lose some gas mileage.
You are right on that. Big Red is 3.73 with 20s, and the general is 3.55, with 18s, those ratios are closer to compare than the 4.30 for this year. Plus the 22 is already more hp and rorque...Although 23s get 3.73 or 4.30 in the 250 and 350 gets all 3 choices.
Excellent Video with good detailed information.
Is the Ford Torque Shift 10 speed the exact same transmission between the gasser and diesel?
Thanks for pointing out that the GM is.
One thing to also consider is the diesels will retain most if not all of its extra cost at resale pr trade time.
Excellent content, seen the rest of your towing over the Ike videos. I have a 23u class c motorhome we tow a jeep with a dirt bike on back I'd like to replace with an aluminum toyhauler, probably 9k with cargo. Wish I could tow it with a half ton ford tremor, but no. A f250 or 2500 series truck would be safer. Was thinking diesel or 7.3L godzilla! For my app the diesel duramax is probably overkill and maintenance headaches could ruin a trip. Never knew about the Chevy 6.6L. Good, concise facts here, good on you! Any chance you've driven the 6.6L off road? Come in handy to rescue a dirt bike or sight see...
Thanks for Your feedback objectivity Man! I thought the Ford would do a lot better than the Chevy. In all categories.
Wonder how my 23 f250 xlt tremor 7.3 would do on that test
Your tremor has the added leaf springs over the regular F250 I believe, if so that no doubt would change the carrying characteristics and I have to wonder if it would change the handling to some degree as well, just a thought on my part.
The 23s got the bump In the hp and torque too. The tremor just sits too high for the trailers in my garage, but it's such a sweet truck. Tremors are wicked!
What mpg are you getting with the Chevy unloaded? Example: Cruising the interstate 70-75 mph what Mpg would one expect to see?
It keeps getting better. Initially it was 11.5 city 15 hwy.....now im getting 14 city....stop and go commuting and idling. Hwy, as long as I keep it at 75 or under 18.5 mpg...87 octane. So I'm happy with that...some watchers report 20s in 65 mph hwy cruising.
@@automotiveinquiries9673 Wow. That is really good for 3/4 ton truck. Thanks for the info. Considering getting the 2024 Chevy.
The big thing for a diesel for me is the exhaust brake. Pulling super heavy down windy steep grades there is no comparison. I have over temped brakes pulling at max weight down slow windy grades. It is not a fun time.
Exactly, no one talks about gassers brakes on steep grades especially out at Colorado , screw the gas mileage. I want to know about reliable ( transmission & engine ) & safety . WTF 🤬
@@bobmariano3731 even in diesels people are all tied up with power numbers. The truth is all of the big 3 make great power. The difference for me is the Cummins exhaust brake is night and day better than the ford and gm products. Which is why I chose what I chose. Do I like some other features of the others…. Of course but it depends on what you value more.
General Motors is utterly stupid for not bringing back the Gen VII Vortec big block. My 8.1 Vortec is killer. And full of potential.
They never were going to bring back the 496. They've long since moved away from that platform. Ford didn't bring back their 460 Big Block, so not sure what your point is.
I have to agree after owning a Class A 24k GVWR Motorhome with the 8.1 and Allison 2000 series 6 speed trans. That was a great combination although the MPG was 7.7 on average. The motorhome was a 2007 we sold it in 2021. GM discontinued the 8.1 when they got bailed out by the government. That killed the GM powered class A RV chassis. The 8.1 was a great engine with cast iron heads.
The 6.6 outperforms it while getting better mpg… people that have had both will tell you that.
Really impressed with this video. Nice job!
Which truck in your opinion would you say has a more comfortable ride unloaded?
Chevy has the best ride loaded or unloaded. Even across our rough hwys here. The ford is very stiff and bouncy
@@automotiveinquiries9673 ok well that was one of my main concerns. I'll be using it for daily use & occasional towing. We'll also be using it for some of our family road trips which is why I'm concerned with comfortability. Thanks for the quick reply and keep up the great content!
@@automotiveinquiries9673does Chevy beat the ram in ride comfort as well? Part of my hesitation as my work truck is also my daily kicker
@chris-zc7rp absolutely the gm trucks ride the best, the independent front suspension helps immensely loaded or unloaded GM wins. And I know some people claim the IFS isn't as robust, but I beg to differ. I think the gm truck is the best handling towing, loaded or unloaded. The 24 RAM I had on the channel road like the ford and frankly even with the extra diesel engine weight, it felt light when towing and just not as sure footed.
Ride quality has a lot to do with a solid front axel in the Ford vs independent front suspension in the Chevrolet and this debate has been discussed ad nauseum.
I've watched a lot of your videos and I'm really struggling to see where the Chevrolet isn't superior in almost every way. But then in every video you always caveat it by saying, "but you can't go wrong with the Ford" and your BIL Brent said when pressed he would buy Ford. So, if I missed your answer, my apologies, but let's clear this up once and for all, let's say you have a $70,000 budget and a gun to your head, are you buying the 6.6L Chevy or the 7.3L Ford?
Crickets 🦗
I've had gas & diesel of all 3, to a point can sorta understand the whole diesel thing ,,, the diesels had were real pos, mpg was same as comparable gas truck
Allison does not make this current model 10sp . GMC is paying them to put the Allison name on this transmission. Allison tested the tranny but they didn't develop it .
Thank you for stating the Allison branded is the same transmission as an Allison.
Absolutely, thanks for watching.
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When did you state that??
I heard you say the gas and diesel trans were the same....I may have missed where you stated it was an Allison as opposed to a "branded" Allison...
I hear better resale value all the time, tired of hearing that, they pay more they get more, not sure that means better resale value.
The 6.6 gets better mpg after 10k of driving at least mine did..
Dont forget the exta cost of replacing the 68rfe transmission for the cummins guys .....
True, I heard those had issues...during my cummins day which were many, had several 68rfe...never had an issue...one aisin fragged....never lost a allison or ford transmission....
Thats amazing when you said the allison 10 speed is the exact same transmission in the gasser as it is in the diesel. Absolutely impossible to hurt that transmission with the gasser 👍
Does chevy have higher gear ratio in rear end for better gas mileage than ford
They are close..
The zilla had two options 3.55 and 4.30. The diesel had 3.55 and 3.31. This specific one is 3.55. The chevy only has one option 3.73 that's what this one had.
The ford 10R80 and “Allison 10 speed” were jointly developed by ford and Gm. There are some differences but they are about 90% similar. GM is paying royalties to Allison to use their nameplate on the transmission, it wasn’t designed or manufactured by Allison. With that being said I still think they are great transmissions.
Correction 10R140 torque-shift
The half ton transmission was not the HDs a Ford salesman tried to tell me that Ford makes the transmission for gm
In the half tons they are basically the same but not in the Super/HD they aren’t the same. That’s coming right from a Master GM diesel Tech.
@@justinm9815 you would know better than me. That’s just what I’ve heard and read.
Ford rear springs are always weaker
I drove both and the Chevy isn’t in the same ballpark as the Ford in power!!
I have drove both and they are very close. The small difference in power between the 2 is unnoticeable and the 7.3 is an upgraded engine option. The 6.6 with 10 speed is a huge difference from the previous model year with a 6 speed
I can see where people feel that. Having both in my driveway and driving both daily. I feel that they are actually much closer than numbers suggest...the chevy roaches the tires just as much. Neither are slouched though. Thanks for watching.
The ford probably has 430 gear ratio and gm forvsure has 373
The General had a 3.55 locker and you are correct Kong was a 3.73 locker.
I am sorry about your dad and the other Chanel giving you problems. I have a 2023 2500hd wt dabble cab long bed to tow a 9000 lb fifth wheel I call it my 666 6.6 6 sp please trademark that
Easy on the rapper hand gestures bruh. I feel like yer about to give us a knife hand. Lol.
Good luck with the test.
TFL sucks.
Think everyone needs to remember the 7.3 ford is grossly held back by ford. Doubt you would run 615 hp and 600 lbs of torque on chevy with cam and a tune like the ford.
Chevy has improves but they still will be minutes behind on the ike climb. The godzilla torque curve is like a diesel making it far superior. They call it the diesel killer for a reason. It will out run an early 2000s stock diesel
Handling the trailer got to mean something to you not all about the power
@@PopCorn-ei5bj I would be curious if the Ford diesel would feel more stable steering wise simply because of the added weight over the front axle, or even the gas engine in the crew cab with 8 foot box. Typically the longer the wheel base up to a point and the heaver the truck ( be it a pickup or a highway tractor ) the more stable the towing platform.
The 6.6 torque curve is nearly identical to the 7.3. It’s over 400 foot pounds from 2000 rpm to 5000 rpm. The Ike run is going to be identical this time around because the 10 speed will let the 6.6 gas stay between 4000-5000 rpm. The 6 speed wouldn’t/couldn’t because it didn’t have a gear ratio to put the engine there.
Doubtful. The 10 speed in the 6.6 levels the playing field. Especially if he uses these trucks with very similar gearing. The 7.3 may win because of more power but it won’t be minutes this time.
Minutes behind? LOL!
Diesel resales for more. You get your 10k back when you sell and meanwhile you got better mpg. Don’t need to drive for 10 years. Either way, the chevy smoothness and Cadillac drive is what stands our. Still can’t get over that fake 6.6 gas hood scoop though. Ford is better in the tech department, though that’s not something I care about in a truck. Super duty is more clunky, raw, and truck like.
With diesel come big repair bills
Diesel will leave you stranded out in the middle of no where at some point and that's the deal killer.
Great info!!