The World Toughest tow winner..I.K.E. Battle in Rockies 24 chevy HD 6.6 L8T vs. Ford F-250 Godzilla!
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- All the specs on the run, get out your tissues diesel fans, Chevy and Ford. You probably won't like what you see, but then again maybe you will.
Battle in the Rockies
174 Mile Loop Denver/Silverthorne
Including D-I.K.E
Just under 7 miles where test was started and timed
Highest Elevation 11,158 Ft
Trailer Specs
1997 Travel Supreme
Overall 35 Feet-tip to end
As tested 12,958
Pin Weight 1852
Truck Specs
2022 Ford F-250 4x4 2024 Chevy 2500 4x4
Crew Short 6.9 bed Crew Short 6 10 bed
3.55 Electronic L rear 3.73 Electronic L rear
7.3 Godzilla (445 ci) 6.6 L8t (401-402 ci)
430 HP/5500 RPM 401 HP/5200 RPM
475 LB-FT 4050 RPM 464 LB-FT 4000 RPM
10 speed Torqueshft 10 Speed Allsion
Curb Weight as tested
6888 LBS 7821 LBS
Truck Tow Specs
Ford: Chevy:
Max Tow 5th wheel Max Tow 5th Wheel
14,500 LBS 18,500 LBS
Payload 3k plus Payload 3k plus
Premium fuel 34 gallon Premium fuel 36 gal
Test Parameters
Both trucks using zero manual shifting
Transmission Temps taken every 5 miles (averaged later) 35 total readings
Both Trucks used cruise control/grade braking
Both trucks applied braking as needed
Brake temps taken at all descents
Speed limits were observed, no laws broken. (Note speed limits were adhered too, in video regardless if audibly stated cruise set to different)
Weather/time/traffic similar for both trucks
10 degree higher start temp for Chevy (beast in the east challenge Ford had higher start temp)
Test Results!
Ford Chevrolet
Brake Temps
Normal 110 Normal 121
WB desent WB desent
7- 265 deg 4-271 (300)
EB desent EB desent
3-125 deg 0-118 deg
Both trucks did well in this category with Chevy taking the edge in less brake attempts in descents!
Transmission Temps
Ford: Chevy:
Highest 239 deg Highest 208 deg
Lowest 212 deg Lowest 171 deg
Average 225 deg Average 187 deg
No winner in this area as both were well within manufacturer specs, these are just noted unless a trans temp warning was thrown-zero warnings
D-I.K.E Run
Ford Chevy
Start 8:35 a.m. Start 9:08 a.m.
End 8:43 a.m. End 9:15 a.m.
Run 8 minutes (RD) Run 7 minutes (RD)
Lowest speed 52 Lowest speed 52
Cruise set 60 Cruise set 60
0 brake apps 0 brake apps
Shift frequent Shift Minimal
Chevy Ran the Gauntlet slightly faster, however, both trucks maintained safe and adequate speed.
Fuel Economy
Ford Chevy
8.7 MPG overall 8.2 MPG overall
20 (RD) Gall used 21 (RD) Gall used
$63.00 fuel cost $66.81 Fuel Cost
$3.15 / gallon $3.15 / gallon
Cost to Run Cost to Run
36 cents per mile 38 cents per mile
Ford prevailed in Fuel economy, although the number is only off by .5 it ran at $3.81 more for 174 miles
Diesel scenario
11 MPG 13 MPG est
15.81 gall used 13.38 gall used
$65.64 fuel cost $55.54 Fuel Cost
$4.15 / gallon $4.15 / gallon
Cost to run Cost to run
37.74 cents per mile 32 Cents per mile
Pay off the 9500 diesel engine cost between 237k miles and 600k, if just based on fuel costs /MPG’s being higher.
Georgetown to Denver Standard brake app
Test was ran using cruise control only for accel and decel situations. Brake applications used only to gain control for curves (if needed), traffic (zero needed) of to retain the lawful speed or speed control set ( 60-65 MPH setting)
Test was 45.2 miles total for both trucks
At zero time, neither truck out of mechanical specs or dangerous.
Ford needed 35 brake applications
Chevy needed 0 brake applications
Results:
Ford won HP
Ford won Torque
Ford won MPG’s
Chevy won Brake attempt
Chevy won hill climb
Chevy won control
End results Chevy is the more stable towing truck, control, grade braking, better ride, engine noise less, cabin quieter
Chevy did more with less and cost to own is less.
Lastly Chevy continued on for a total of 662 miles that day, later returning 9.5 loaded overall 475 miles. 187 miles at 18.8 mpg unloaded.
Ford is at shop with potential engine issue.
Appreciate the videos! I’m not buying a diesel because I don’t tow enough to justify the extra cost, and until the emissions issues are done away with. Your videos on the 6.6 and 7.3 is exactly what I’m try to decide between!
Great video content! By far the most “real work” series that I have seen. I appreciate that you work to keep everything as fair and un biased as possible. These are both common configurations that most folks would see at their local dealers. Keep up the great work!
Thanks for taking the time and effort to put these videos together! I, and I’m sure many others, really appreciate it! I’m in the exact scenario where I’m looking for a 3/4 ton gaser and your video series has been super helpful. Thanks again and keep the videos coming!
As someone who has had both trucks mind you they where half ton trucks they Chevrolet is 10 times better in my opinion because they ride and handle way better than ford and i personally think they tow better as well. Love the video look forward to more on these trucks. Side note a diesel isnt worth buying unless you plan on towing all the time much like a hot shot driver. Just cant justify paying 10,000 more for a diesel engine and paying over a dollar more per gallon to fill up, let alone the maintenance costs like you mentioned before.
It makes complete sense that the Chevy is the better riding truck. WIth the IFS in the Chevy, you not getting as stout of a front suspension as the Ford or as robust, which if you use one to plow snow that is a big factor. However, for tighter turning radius or comfort of ride, the Chevy/GMC is going to ride nicer and others I know who have owned both, say the same as you in their observations.
Absolutely fantastic series of videos. Excellent detailed comparison with such analytical thought. 👍🏻👍🏻. We bought 2020 F350 with 7.3 and 4:30 axel Still love it with no problems at 40K miles. Duratrac tires wearing even and not noisy.
A 4:30 axle ratio with a 10-spd trans is a poor choice. There is a reason to use a lower numerical axle ratio with 8 and 10 speed trans.
The problem with diesel owners is they have to be validated on their purchase. They spent insane amounts of money on diesels. Like you said most don’t tow over 10,000 so why do we need to spend the extra money ?
I like your honesty and information in your videos. Keep it up and who cares about what the whiners say. Thanks.
The 6.8 would have been a better comparison to the 6.6 over the 7.3.
Have not finished this last video yet just wanted to say awesome job and content. I have not been so interested in a short series coming out for years. Really enjoyed all the time and effort you put into these videos.
The ram has an EATON if chevy has an allison. Its clown world out there. It is what you say it is i guess? Love your vids btw
Another great video! Lots of info. I'm patiently(not really) waiting for my '24 2500HD LTZ to be built and your testing has given me more faith that I've made the correct purchase. Thanks!
This is the most real test form a guy that knows what he’s talking about both trucks more than capable for 95 percent of truck owners I know
You’re a complete idiot
Thanks for the good honest real comparison. I have a 2020 F250/7.3/3.55 CC SB 4x4. 38k and no noteworthy issues. I tow a 7600 lb travel trailer mostly around where I live, GA and the southeast. I’ve pulled to Denver once and to San Diego via I-40 down to I-8 once. Both trips averaged 9.5 mpg for the entire distance out and back. I used 87 octane mostly but premium when I got to the mountains, it did make a difference. Like you, I tend to keep my ascent and descent on steep grades slower. It’s good to hear that confirmation from a pro driver. I haven’t had any issues yet except what I would call an unusual buzz/vibration when the truck downshifted to 3rd coming down the last steep descent on I-8 into San Diego. Speed was about 55mph if I remember. Never had it happen before and only a time or two since, in 3rd only while engine braking.
I really appreciate your insight and thoroughness on this test. I have always tried to keep an open mind when I came to my tow vehicle for our RV. When we started RV travel we had 1 child and my first tow vehicle was a lifted 2 door Tahoe, what an idiot I was. We then gravitated toward a 3/4 ton Suburban as the family grew and loved it. As our RV outgrew the capabilities of that Suburban we eventually had to make a decision on what to do, buy a diesel Ford Excursion or Swap a Duramax and Allison in to our Suburban, the Ford rode so bad that we went the swap route with zero regrets. With the wife, 3 kids and 2 dogs it was very comfortable and towed like dream. So I quickly became a GM guy. When it came time to finally switch to a truck in 2020 as the kids aged out I looked at them all. RAM (terrible payload numbers in the 2500), Ford (still rode like crap) and Chevy/GMC (just right). Even though the GM just never got any love from the testers on RUclips, RAM and Ford always won in their tests, I was scratching my head. I keep saying, this truck performs great, why do they always pick a truck that either rides terrible or has such low payload numbers it barely would qualify as an HD. Is the interior design really that important to the performance of an HD truck.. So thank you for the honest assessment. And as far as gas goes, their is a reason why the GM V8 is great, from the venerable 350 to the ground breaking LS, GM gas engines have always performed, and now that it has a 10 speed behind it, its going to do well. Keep it up, I have subscribed.
That should cover your opinion on the gmc also correct?
@adambartle7826 absolutely, since they are sister trucks. Although for 45 years my pops swears GMC is better than Chevy.
@@automotiveinquiries9673 that’s what I like to hear! 😃 thank you for the reply and keep up the good work! Love the channel my man👍🏻
I came across your channel just as you started this series and held off commenting until I watched the last video. Your content is a refreshing change from those “other” channels. Nothing irks me more than some guy giving a review of a high trim truck that every other channel is reviewing. I would never buy one so all the over priced features don’t interest me. I currently tow a 7K travel trailer with my F-150 XLT long bed with the HDP and max tow packages. This video was a good, honest review of both trucks and I would seriously consider either of them once my wife and I retire and hit the road more frequently.
personal advice. just make new references. don't even talk about anyone else. just do your own show.
As an engineer, I appreciate all of the spec detail you provide. Thank you. Please consider that when doing a series of videos to put the links in order in the video details or in the top of the comments. It will make watching the series in order a bit easier.
Thank you, Fantastic series on the gas powered trucks. I have a 09 Duramax that I got new, it runs good but now with a fifth wheel I need a larger payload. Very seriously thinking of one of the new Gas trucks, you provided very good information in a real life setting. Keep up the good work.
Chevy beats fprd everyday
I’ve been watching your videos prior to ordering and receiving our 2500 WT (an even LOWER trim but added take-off wheels from a custom). I’m glad to say you’ve been dead on! I’m coming from a 2011 2500hd and jumping in this truck with the 6.6 and 10 speed truly has to be driven to understand what you have been talking about. I was hopeful it was good but for once….my expectations were exceeded! Your reviews have been amazing!
Thanks for the feedback and congrats on the new rig! I'm glad you are happy with it and hope you love it for years to come.
Great head-to-head comparison. I just bought a 2024 Silverado 2500 LT. I will be hauling my camper, which is about 9k lbs, up and down the hills of WV and MD later this week. It makes more sense to compare trucks hauling the exact same load instead of maxing the load to the trucks individual towing capacity, which could vary by thousands of pounds.
Very honest review and very well done... thank you
OUTSTANDING series! Great comparisons ! Go Big Red!
Thank you for the honest review! I'm now going to purchase the 2500HD GM no doubt.
Nice wrap up and you did a great job with a very real world test. 174 miles is a very typical towing trip for guys. When I go racing my minimum trip is 176 mile round trip and my more common trip is 260. So good job.
My take away is I’m not surprised. I’ve had a 2022 2500 6.6 gas 6 speed and as far as towing stability goes the truck is rock solid. I don’t have great roads either in East Kentucky and especially in Southwest Virginia and I tow my 8.5’x24’ enclosed car trailer with one hand on the wheel. It’s rock solid. And a lot of that is the weight of the Chevys. They are just heavier than the Ford and that extra weight is what you need to control these big heavy trailers.
So good job. Hopefully the hurt feelings Ford guys won’t bust you up too bad. And I wouldn’t be shocked if they didn’t report you to TFL on the last videos. Those comment sections were pretty intense and I’m sure this one is going to be much of the same.
What is the weight difference??
@@johnpeters9793 well according to the video the as tested weight was almost 1000 pounds heavier for the Chevy. The Ford weighed 68xx something and the Chevy weighed 78xx something.
From the factory the Chevy is nearly 7300 I think. My 2022 is nearly 7200 from the factory.
Wow I did not realize the ford was nearly 1000lbs lighter. That makes a huge difference in HP to weight ratio.
the GM platform is very old and ostensibly priced given the engineering costs they save by being so behind Ford and Ram
"Very old" Lol! it came out in 2020.
@@sly9263
Nice review sir. I'm impressed with the amount of data that you put together. If nothing else it proves that either truck wiil do the job. Competition has elevated both brands and we as consumers will benefit from it. I Typically prefer ford but gm has been making some great improvements and if I was in the market right now they would get a hard look from me with the blinders off. As i get older i prefer going with the choices that give me the best value.
Thanks for watching, absolutely both trucks really are great, which is fantastic for the consumer.
Hands down the BEST & MOST HONEST comparison video on the internet! Forget those fools who be hate'n on your vibe!!! Hell, reach out to the & see whats up? If they wanna be dick's... then Fork dem!! Keep doin what you do homie! You have better content anyway. Love your honest take on how things are. Truth is... your making it really hard for me to decide what I want! Thought it was a Zilla for sure, now im starting to think otherwise. IDK, keep them coming!
Agreed with you on Wolf Creek Pass. We pulled a pop up camper in a Suburban through there, not fun.
Chevy it is. The Allison is a game changer.
It's really a Chevy transmission with the Allison name on it.
@Bill B Allison feels it's worthy of putting thier name on it. Good enough for me.
@@billb6606 Yes it is a Chevy transmission, and happens to be Allison approved as well.
Been following you for some time now. Ordered a 23 Godzilla F350 Lariat end of January. At the time GM still wasn’t refreshed or the 10 speed. After waiting seven months my dealer said Ford dropped my order and I need to switch to a 24. They said I was at end of build line since I was using my X-Plan discount. Unfortunately no online build available on Ford until September. I didn’t want to wait any longer. Three days after the call from Ford, I placed an order on the 6.6 gas AT4 3500. I believe its all for the best.
Thanks for being here. That does suck that they did that with the order. I've been finding that dealers are hoping foe people to flake on buying their orders after waiting so long g and that more than half of the local dealers, none that I buy from, are adding 5 to 10k markups over msrp again. I will say if you ordered a 2500 at4, that is one of the best looking trucks you can get, and big red is crushing it pulling. Maybe it was indeed for the best. Congrats on the rig, my gm people said that gm is focused on ordered vehicles getting priority and that it's about 4 to 6 months max.
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This was an awesome well thought out test! Best I have ever seen! Awesome job!
I'm actually surprised they Chevy beat the Ford's time. I have two Chevy 8.1's that I love, but I never thought I'd see a small block out perform a big block. I'm sure the Ford woul if it had better gearing but then the Chevy would as well.
Great comparison
The chevy surprises every day in a good way....this weekend...it's going against the Wolf.....a beast of a pass and against a dmax. Should be fun to watch.
I appreciate your videos, but I would honestly just focus on reporting your data instead of breaking to address the "haters" after every sentence... you could knock 10-15 minutes off your videos.
Well done with enough information to digest to start a future decision process. Good recovery from those over reactive personal at tfl or whatever they call themselves or who ever they think they are.
This test should give many drivers a chance to decide if they can escape from the manufacturers high cost of diesels and the dictatorship of the US EPA. Your work is recognized as a very good presentation and on the darker side if gives me a glimpse of how caddy and unimportant another channel really is when they test trucks.
To the guys complaining that the Chevy has the advantage because of the lower axle ratio- the Chevy has a 1” taller tire, 29 less hp, 11 less tq, 44 less cu in, weighs 1000lbs more.
Just stop.
Thank you for undertaking this mission, despite the distractions it was a roaring success, and put a lot of fairytales to bed with facts. I'm going GMC but this will be my first chevy truck after a lifetime of ford. Could not have arrived there without your work.
Great series. I'm in the market for a HD truck within next year and have been watching a lot reviews. The possibility for a engine issue really concerns me. From what I have seen if you are unlucky enough to have a problem with the 7.3 Ford will replace it with the 6.6 GM says that's normal. At the mpgs you would need to add 6 quarts of oil every 5k miles. If GM would stand behind the product better it would make my decision much easier. But right now l am leaning toward the 7.3 . As a side note last night at a truck stop in Va. I saw a Chevy with the hood up with the driver adding 2 quarts of oil. Again thanks for the series.
Gess im lucky my 2022 chev 2500 uses a cup full in 4000 miles
My 6.6 gas uses no oil and I no one I’ve seen besides one guy online has had any issues.
Wrong. This guy blew this Ford 7.3 up doing this test. The dealer is telling him to pound sand. Ford fails, they come out with a new engine every couple years because thier engines are so bad.
@@ernestjohnson1807 if you don't think GM does the exact same thing, more often, then you're biased. GM hasn't been able to consistently manufacture a rear main seal for over 20 years. They're replacing the 3.0 duramax already because its a POS and that weak lifter DOD trash they put in all their V8s is a scam.
@@markgamble8377 check the rear main
Keep us updated on the diagnosis of the 7.3.
Just my 2 cents opinion... I ordered my 2021 F350 with a 7.3l Godzilla , 3.73 rear gear, to tow our 8400# tt. I debated over the diesel, but just too many problems with emissions. The lifter was not a publicized issue at time of order, but I still would have gone the gas route. VERY few numbers of lifter failures; VERY large numbers of emission problems. Expensive repairs + $10k extra up front. I travel at 62-64 and on a 4200 mile trip up & down 3 major passes & mtns and numerous other. I averaged 10.3mpg's. Friend with like tt with a 2020 Duramax got ~1.5 mpg better. He also had to pay ~$1 more per gal + DEF. Yes he has way more torque, but I had no issues keeping up. NEVER foot to the floor. 3rd gear a couple of times. when going up any sizable hills I shift manually & keep the rpm's in the 3500-4500 range. This way I'm at torque & the tranny is not 'hunting'. With the 10 spd tranny & tow/ haul I rarely used my brakes going down any major hill. In fact a Class A motor home behind me told me that my brake lights must be out after going down a very long steep hill. Unless there is a major change in the diesel engine emission controls; I will not own a diesel.
I agree with you about the diesels. I had a 2020 Duramax for about 14,000 miles and I loved the truck and the power but it was just a constant check engine light.
So I’m with you. I’m not buying another diesel until the after treatment stuff is fixed/made more reliable. I’m loving my 2022 6.6 gas Chevy. I’m at over 26,000 miles and so far so good. Watching his videos though is making me really smother for a 2024 with the 10 speed lol.
@@matthewanderson9912 I’ve had a fair number of trucks over the last 50 years but only one GM. Way back a 1971 3/4t GMC Serra. 400” big block ( they also made a 400 small block) it was a great towing machine. After that all fords & a couple dodges. I test drove chev’s but didn’t purchase. Friend did just the opposite. I think they’re all pretty good, it’s a matter of personal preference. My last ford had a 6 sped. Worked great. The initial thought of a 10 spd , I thought was ridiculous . In actuality, it’s so smooth. It’s almost like a CVT tranny. I do manually shift going up hills though. It wants to wait and then down shift 2 gears at times. When I see a hill coming I go to “m” and keep the rpm’s in the 3500-4500 range and do not loose any speed at all.
@@herb7877 well I’m a Chevy guy but I have driven plenty of Fords at work and a few Dodges.
Going from a 4 speed to a 6 speed automatic was a huge game changer for gas engines. I feel like getting the 10 speed is maybe not as big a game changer but definitely an improvement. It has a ratio so that you’re basically never out of the engines power where with a 6 speed there is certain speeds where you get kind of “caught” in a gear and end up spending a few seconds building rpm to get going.
From watching reviews and reading owners reviews/observations it does seem the Ford 10 speed is way more busy than the GM 10 speed. I’ve not drove the 6.6 gas with the 10 speed yet but I owned one in a diesel like I mentioned. Hard to compare between a turbo diesel and a NA gas small block but it was not busy.
The L8T is a 400.5 cubic inch small block. Pretty impressive engine. Makes over 400 foot pounds of torque from
2000-5000 rpm. That’s more than the outgoing 6.0 Vortec made at peak, much less at 2000 rpm.
Nice video. I have an F250 7.3 with the 3.55. I do wish I had 3.73 a nice balance off highway gear and a little more low end for pulling from a stand still. Both trucks are awesome. Def a good option compared to diesel for those of us who don’t want the cost and headache
There is a reason your F250 has a 3.55 axle ratio.
Thanks for putting forth the effort in making this series of videos, good stuff.
Great content keep doing what you're doing and always remember there will always be haters no mater what. I do not normally subscribed to anyones channel but I am now a subscriber to yours. The OTHER channel that caused you grief I use to watch them I will no longer be watching anything they put out. I can't believe they came after you the way they did and believe they have a HUGE ego problem and need to get over themselves. Again great content keep up the good work.
Did wolf creek in the snow with a trailer that was fun
I've only not used cruise control on two of my vehicles. 1974 Volkswagen and 2000 Ranger, just because they didn't have it.
Everybody is hanging their hat on HP or torque, and whichever is highest is the winner.
In the past I was running that same route with older used chevy trucks running V8s that had less than 325 hp and around 290 to 340 ft lb of torque. They would Rev up and walk right up those grades and could hold back down the other side if you started slow and locked the trans down in 2 ND gear. I would Coast down the mountain and have very few brake applications and just took my time.
It all comes down to gearing and how you use it.
We ran deeper geared axles and had horrible gas milage empty but that ain't why you buy a towing truck.
You want it to handle the job safely. If you have to whine about fuel milage , pull a smaller load.
We used to drag campers that weighed 14,000 lbs and weren't that long.
We had stock trailers that when empty weighed as much as some of the new 30 foot ultralight campers..
I think you are doing a good job putting out the real facts.
Thanks, I appreciate that 100% also appreciate you posting your experience with the gassers.
The Allison transmission is definitely a game changer. It seems to make engines run more efficient. We used to run a large cargo van loaded, up some steep hills and all we could get was 50 mph. Eventually that transmission blew up. Decided to put an Allison in. The shop did what it had to, to mate the Allison to the engine. I still dont understand but that same van runs up those hills at 65 now with no problems at all. No other mods were made. Just the transmission. From there on out if i can get the Allison in a vehicle thats the one i choose....
Not an Allison 😂🤭only a badge and the ford has heavier parts in it.
@@freedomisntfree_44yet the ford has more issues… 🫢🤔
That is true. GM did build the transmission but im almost positive that Allison would have had their engineers and techs over at GM making sure that everything was to their specs or there is no way Allison would have risked letting GM put their name on it. Time will tell but i have not heard of a single issue yet...
@@richmorris9795 exactly. Yet some people think the 10r140 is superior even though the number one complaint of 2020+ super duty’s is the 10 speed trans…
You need to search to the ends of the internet to find people complaining on GMs Allison 10 speed.
@@07smoker no they don’t and ford has had the ten speed out longer. Fords is built heavier and that’s a fact. Gm is the literal king of transmission failure 😂 give it time 🖕🏽
Chevy for the win as always thanks for the info I got 19000 on mine no issues and does not use any oil got to love them chevys
Great review
Awesome series keep it up!
Good videos. We appreciate all the time it took (and is still taking) to make these.
Hey question…..
Both trucks had available payloads of 3K+, correct? Then why was your pin weight so light? Seems I’ve always read 10-15% trailer weight was the target.
PS - TFL sucks.
Absolutely terrific videos you've put together! Both trucks are extremely good and you did a great job of explaining the differences. From your results, the Chevy is the clear winner. This is the best HD truck comparison on YT ever. I'm a subscriber now and really like how you put your videos together. Screw those TFL bozos.....I'm tired of those idiots and you keep doing what you're doing and watch your subscriber list grow!
Thanks for the feedback...glad to have you here as part of the channel.
I like this guy, raw honest to his core
I'm anxious about the 6.8 (Baby-Zilla) with 405 hp/ 445 tq.
Thats awesome, I'm in the market for a new pickup. Initially I was L5P gen 2, that's it, no reason to look at anything else. Now I'm seriously considering the L8t. With the distinct possibility I can be heading to Alaska in the near future and being from Montana, not dealing with DEF is a HUGE plus. And the pickup being roughly 9-10k cheaper. And with the advantages that gas offers over diesel, I think it;s going to be hard to get something I won't be happy with.
Let us know what’s wrong with the Ford 7.3. I’m interested to know. Hope it’s not the lifter issue I have heard about.
Chevy has the same issues with cam and liter failures it's a parts problem not a manufacturer problem
@@jeffparker8268Not in these 6.6 gas engines, because they don't have AFM/DOD.
This series has been the most informative real world truck comparison I have ever seen. This type of information is exactly what I was looking for. Guaranteed the FLT guys will start including temps and other useful info shared in this series. Kudos to you!
@People, show your support and sit through the adds on this channel. This man needs to be rewarded for a job well done with all his videos.
One more tough towing test would be to go through Salt lake city to reno over dawner pass to grass valley and back in august when it's a hundred change. That would be a really good towing test.
I always tow w/ cruise.
I traded my 2020 f350 7.3 w/ 40k miles for a 23 GMC 3500 6.6 gas that now has 20k miles on it. Personally as far as power and towing they're very comparable. The big difference lies in the comfort and driveability. The ride in these two trucks cannot be compared. I also off road on beaches very often and the GMC is miles above the ford.
I'm one of those guys who keeps vehicles lol. I have about 300,000 miles on my 2005 suburban I put a 150,000 on it. I'm thinking about getting one of those new chevy 2500. BTW I'm also a truck driver so it's nice seeing an actual truck driver do these test.
People will complain no matter what you do. Thanks for the content you have provided for people!
Nice work! The one unknown is how the Chevy does with extended idling being direct injected.
Oil changes!!
@HalfShell Yes, but I'm sure regular maintenance will help with that; good oil pump, injection cleaners, engine flush after 120,000 miles (optional).
@HalfShell Thank you
Thanks for taking the time to do this. Currently truck shopping for a 3500 and this does help!
Thanks for posting, good info!
Absolutely fantastic series! I put money down on my Chevy today. It's in transit and will be here in a month. I had decided to get one before I found your channel, but you've made me feel good about my decision
Congrats on the new rig! You made a great choice.
There's no long term testing can't make decisions off of how one guy does his testing it's over time that counts
@@jeffparker8268 yep, that's what I said in the video... time we'll be the test... but....no matter which one yo8 pick..problems or trouble free, you will be covered for 5 years and 60k.
Great video and info, thanks
Hey brother any oil burning from the 6.6? You really got me close to buying one.
I’m curious to see how well the Chevy motor will holdup over time having direct injection…..good videos.
Valid point but for what it’s worth GM has used DI engines in the 1500s for over a decade now and I’ve never heard of any issues based solely on the DI. Of course the AFM/DFM lifter issues is a problem, especially the newer DFM engines, but nothing ever pops up about the fuel system. I’m sure some has had problems but must not be widespread if they are.
Yep. One of the reasons I chose the Ford was the port injection over Chevy’s direct injection. It just seemed like one less thing to to worry about.
@HalfShell no it’s not. The 6.6 is still a Gen 5 small block. The block material is different because it’s the only gen 5 that has an iron block.
Fuel system would be the same.
I would never thought a HD Chevy would beat out a HD Ford.
Never
Thanks for your videos. I'm here to learn. Don't pay the trolls any attention.
Nice video work and very fair comparison. Gearing does wonders. You will get better mpg overall crusing with the 355 but hit that hill going up with the 373 and a transmission built by the master of transmission’s it will do better everyday and going down hill the combined gearing gives you the deceleration/compression braking that old school truck drivers should know very well how to utilize!
Informative real world test series as I knew it would be ( I was actually hoping for an east bound Ike video as well to see the landscape difference and the crumbling road conditions you've made mention of ). I have been to Colorado more then once some years ago but never happened to be on that section of 70 between Denver and Siliverthorne to experience that summit or the tunnel, I never had a chance to go over Wolf Creek either. However I have been over Monarch, as well as 550 between Ouray and Durango. I was wondering what your thoughts are on Monarch, and as to 550 more so the southern section where it descends into Durango as that is where I was following an RV that was going way faster then it should have been and smoking its brakes so bad there was a haze in the air and fully expected to see a wreck but somehow luck was with him ... but brains, probably not so much !.
2 things. What were gear ratios? 3:73 vs 3:73? And second, the ford manual says 91 octane recommend but not required. If the engine is already optimized to run on 87, not much will change with 91. The computer compensates. A solid axle will always be a stronger option, and a direct injected only motor will be an issue down the road with soot build up. Good video series!
The Ford is 3.55 and the Chevy is 3.73. The Chevy also has an inch taller tire making the two within 32 rpm at 65mph. The only way to make them any closer would be to knock off about .5" off the Ford's tire height. With the Ford having 40k miles on it, that's probably already happened.
@@Featherburner That makes sense. I just purchased a 23 dually with the 7.3 for truck camper duty. I have noticed that the 3:55 ratio is dropped across the line on the 7.3. Mine are 4:30s. I have a 19 F350 with the 3:73 and it has been good, plenty of power for the camper, just needed more payload. Back to the octane quandary, the manual on the 19 states towing/hauling in high temps 91 is recommended. But before that is says that the engine is designed for 87. I’ve tried both with that truck, no difference in mpg or power. It’s a 6.2. The literature states the same for my new 23. I might try the test again, but don’t know if it’s worth it. I just burn a quality detergent fuel. So far, love my 23.
Yeah a semi brings fuel to the station but the semi doesn't have to use the gas lanes to get fuel. In one of the older videos by that other channel the truck driver of the group said he didn't know why they didn't want to use the cruise control and the non truck driver who they put in charge said it was to see what the truck would do. Like it's got a mind of its own or something.
Couple of questions. Do you think the Godzilla was starting to go during this test (not making excuses - just wondering your thoughts). I’m going to be pulling a 7000 lb travel trailer with a Godzilla and wondering if sumo springs or Timbrens would be of any use at that weight. Any thoughts would be greatly appreciated
So, when it comes to the failure, I think the zilla did really good in all.the tests, and I'll be adding one to the channel this year to see how a newer version does. Kong just did better because control, as it wasn't as powerful by the numbers. When it comes to the SES systems, whether sumo or timbren, they are a benefit always. I've ran both and I like the timbren better, although nothing wrong with sumo. Just with the bumps and potential movement of the load and trailer, you'll enjoy having them vs not. They are great to have and when empty you won't notice any difference in ride, but with the load, sag will almost be nothing and the control will be excellent. They are a great investment if anyone tows. I put them on all my pickups, half ton or big trucks, and I prefer them over expensive air bags or other systems. I believe it's a mod that you would not regret.
Thanks for the info. Really enjoy your channel.
I'm with you and usencruise control with my Ram 2500 6.4L. Seems to work in a similar was as the Ford and Chevy. To the nay sayers on cruise control should consider the descent where you got down the mountain without touching the brakes. To me that says it all.
Great to see tests where it's more real world rather than a foot to the floor race up the pass.
Thanks so much for the videos, they are super helpful for me. I'm one of those who use downshifting on grades instead of relying on cruise control, mainly because the Tundra on cruise will let things get a little out of hand with the 6 speed transmission. Because of payload constraints (we tow a 6,500 lb Airstream), I'm trading in my 2016 Tundra for a 2024 Chevy Custom gas engine. I don't have a brand loyalty other than we've owned nothing but Toyotas for the past 30 years. I am no longer deciding between Ford and Chevy, but I do like the towing videos you have done. We travel full time in our Airstream so this is important. The only reason we're getting a 2024 is because of the 10 speed transmission. My question is (and keep in mind my current tow vehicle is older tech, 7 years old!) when you set the cruise control for a downhill grade but then apply brakes to slow down some, when you hit the resume on the cruise control, does the transmission have issues with figuring out which gear to be in? Thanks again for your insightful videos on towing.
Thanks, I appreciate the feedback....have some great video from this weekend where kong took on wolf creek pass. In the 24 chevy using cruise, it does exceptional when using resume or just the decel and accel. Of the big three, the chevy/gmc are the best Trans, engine and stability...and right now...price.
I tow in Cruise control all the time
I tow a splice trailer almost every day, so the Chevy will be on my list to look at. Was thinking ford, but I like an easier ride.
Great comparison and done in a much better testing format than those Slow Lane Truck fellas. Keep your foot on the throttle and build your brand as the RUclipsr with a real CDL and real world testing on his channel. Dont compare yourself to those "other" guys, because they arent worth your time
Thanks, I really appreciate that.
I’ve done the Ike but the most intense high elevation drive I’ve done is up the north side of the spring mountains outside of Vegas. It’s a straight probably 6000 foot or so climb that gets most intense at the top. It’s also fun coming down. I’ve done it in second gear at times.
Is that climb up to Mt. Charleston?
Only two things I’d note and I’m sure it’s pretty obvious. One truck had 3.73 gears compared to 3.55. Doesn’t seem like much, but it could be a pretty big difference maker for when and how a truck shifts going up and holding gears coming down. Other is if the ford immediately went in for a bad engine was it really a fair test? Keep up the good content I like your channel. Hopefully the drama clears itself up.
Did you forget the Ford has more power?
The Chevy has 34” tires compared to 33” for the Ford so taking that into account the gearing was really similar. Fords transmission has a little shorter gearing too in 3rd gear (2.13:1 compared to 2.06:1) and that was the gear both stayed in going up and down the most so it’s really similar.
To put it in perspective the Ford on gearing alone had a 7.56:1 final drive in 3rd compared to 7.68:1 for the Chevy. When you factor in the tire size, at 5000 rpm the Fords max speed would be basically 65 mph (64.94 technically)and the Chevy would be 66 mph (65.85 technically) so the Ford actually has shorter gearing (slightly) as tested.
Of course it would have benefited from a 3.73 rear gear. 4.30 not so much in my opinion because it would have been stuck in 4th gear. And by comparison, it would have had a max speed of 64.52 mph so slightly shorter but very comparable.
I always say the 3.73 is the best gear, even for the Ford, and that’s because of the 10 speed transmission. These new 10 speeds make up for taller rear gearing by having close ratios.
@@kenhughes9437 nope didn’t forget, simply just stating the trucks weren’t ordered 100% apples to apples. Not really that big of a deal and certainly wasn’t looking to waste time with a RUclips argument.
@@matthewanderson9912 I agree
I’d go with ford because they have more axle options. The 3.55 is the most fuel efficient and the lowest towing. I’d go 4.30
Great series of videos (both Rockies & the Plains). Glad I subscribed when I did (& un-subb'ed the other channel). I am deciding between these two trucks for my next one. Have you had any issues with clearance (both cab and bed rails) with the short bed trucks and the fifth wheels? Currently tow 36ft 8500 # TT but we are considering upgrading to a FW, hoping the short bed will be fine but willing to go to 8ft if needed. Thanks for the time and effort to put these videos out!
I’m a professional Hotshot Driver and Use Cruise control all Day Long, where able, if you don’t driver fatigue becomes a real issue, Legs,and back pain gets real if not totally relaxed, not to mention more stress! If you don’t use cruise in the Chevy, your Missing the way it was designed and as a 2021 3500 dually owner, it works way better hands free or Computer controlled !
Recently started watching and subscribed your channel. Never looked at the other guys channel that had your videos taken off and don’t intend to as a result of how they handled things. I’m sold on the Godzilla and intend to purchase one within the next year. I do have a question. I’m wondering about low end torque performance with the Godzilla. If you mentioned it somewhere along the way I missed it. I currently tow a 7500lb travel trailer with the 5.0 Coyote engine and would like a lot more low end torque in the mountains. Thanks for the great work and help
Actually, how is the low end torque on both trucks?
Ok, so maybe I’m not sold on the Godzilla after your latest video. How’s the low end torque on the Chevy?
I just commented on TFL'S latest video. I asked if there are any other channels they plan on shutting down. 😂
Copyright Laws are there for a reason sir!!
Bro. You are killing the info war. Thanks for what you are doing. Don’t let those keyboard freaks bother you. I’m still looking for truck real world examples and you are it. 100%.
Now test the 2023 F250 7.3 and see if anything changed and by how much.
To amp your mention about the Ford mirrows are horrible, its like looking through a fog.
So bad that months ago there was a recall for these cameras, but 6 months later Ford still dont have the parts sent to the dealers.😢
Curious on the premium fuel in the 6.6. GM advises to not use premium in the L8T. It is designed for regular.
Your videos have helped me cement my choice on a 2024 Silverado HD. Currently have a 2020 Ram HD diesel and am dealing with emissions issues. Going to trade in for a gasser as the new transmission from GM seems more than capable for rv towing. Plus I’ll gain more payload capacity.
Ended up getting my new Chevy 2500 a few days after this post. Truck handles well pulling out 9000 lb TT. Great truck! If only I can Google to stop talking to me.
The Chevy doesn’t have an Allison transmission!! Branded only!!! Allison doesn’t make a ten speed!
It's Allison approved though!
Just going to point out an observation, I just finished the ford and Chevy hill climb videos & I’m not sure how your times worked out the way they did. Your ford video is only 7 minutes long, the Chevy video is almost 9 minutes long. 🤷♂️
Did you also notice the scenery is different at the start of both videos? The original videos started at the same spot and the Ford video was much longer but they got taken down by RUclips because the other channel that does this test complained to the tube. So, in order to repost the videos, they had to be edited to remove the Trademarked name of the test.
@@Featherburner looked to me like he was on the ramp, getting on the interstate in both videos. The video does start earlier on the ramp in the Chevy, but sure doesn’t look like it would account for 2 minutes. Maybe something else got edited out in the ford video, but I wasn’t really watching close enough to catch it.
If you ever get another 7.3 would you consider doing and ecu tune like the one from 5 star? Something Ide be really curious to see is just how well these HD trucks pull with a handful of bolt on mods.
On a side note, I like the L8t but something that frustrates me is the lack of aftermarket support as far as tuners. Same with the 6.4 hemi
Tow ratings are more about braking than HP. The extra curb weight of the Chevy may be the brakes 😊
They don't own the road, kind of shady by TFL. Just call it the Eisenhower? Congrats on the channel growth!