Does Street Fighter 6 happen INSIDE Gill!?
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Street Fighter 6 has dropped enough details now to give us an inkling of its plot - but what happened to the plot they were building up to in Street Fighter V? In this video I cover the plots of Rose, G and Gill and how I think the major events concerning this trio already happened before street fighter 6 even begins, and that it might take place even further in the future than we first thought.
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You know I don't agree that the whole thing takes place inside Gill, but you absolutely have convinced me that Gill is more involved in the story than meets the eye. Same with Marisa. I'm also not 100% convinced JP is using Bison's soul. It's plausible but to me it's more likely that he's just an adept psycho power wielder a grade above Bison. None of this is meant to come off as contrarian or as an argument, rather I think that you brought a LOT of interesting things into the discussion that I'd definitely missed before and while my conclusions are different from yours I think there's definitely value in the stuff you brought up. Can't wait to see everything elaborated on, I'm very invested in the story :)
We saw more Dev footage recently of some JP moves that weren't in the trailer, while I guess there's still some wiggle room for doubt, the spectre he uses to attack REALLY looks like bison. I recommend watching it even if just because he's a very interesting fighter with a style street fighter normally doesn't go for.
What if the three antagonists plus an all new one are the three bosses plus a new one? Think about it. Metro City, Belgar Tournament hosts, Bison and Gill, and a hidden figure.
Wasn’t Bison basically hakaied by Ryu’s Null Fist?
@@enochabraham688 yep. It was so anticlimactic. But at least Capcom cared enough to conclude their underestimated story.
This genuinely makes sense even in the business side of how capcom does stuff. They want to have a backup plan in case Street Fighter 6 fails (and I doubt that seeing the positive response it had gathered) so that they can go back to that same old cycle of World Warriors vs Bison/Shadowloo all over again and call it a reset. Let's not forget that Street Fighter 3 was at first considered a risky endeavor while fans loved it afterwards for what it is - at first people hated it. It took capcom 3 versions of Street Fighter 3 to make a masterpiece that is Third Strike. And now they want to try and please the fans again with radical changes but they still have a narrative back door this time around in case if it fails. But maybe I'm over imagining things.
Thanks for the video man. Genuinely interesting analysis. Have a sub good sir xD
P. s. Perhaps we'll even see Violent Ken again because of all that chaos around Ken... Poor guy...
Who doesn’t wanna be inside Gill
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Uh me wtf kind of question is that??!!!
Great video. I get the feeling that SF6 is trying to put a lot more effort into it's story so I'm excited to see how they pay off all these lose plot threads. I'm still not sure if the constructs JP makes are actually Bison's soul or just regular psycho energy. JP is probably a much more experienced and level headed user of it, so he might just be able to contort psycho power to whatever shapes he wants.
It's a little hard to say if bison embodies it, so raw psycho power takes that form or if it's literally bison as a ghost or something, but ultimately the end effect is the same
They say that psycho power isn't really bisons power but a code holders power ingrid's power to be more specific that bison somehow managed to FIND and take SOME of it. Soo apparently ingrid seals and stores a little bit of her power in certain locations why? idk but would think that either it's for later use if ingrid finds herself in situation where she really needs it or, just as an experiment to see how certain characters would use it if they had it or found it or, to have certain characters obtain it to grow her power for her and then once it's grown to her satisfaction she goes and just simply harvests her ripened power back from the characters.
also the power that bison wields is not actually psycho power. psycho power is just a name that bison came up with to call it.
this is a mix of information based on ingrids origins combined with ingrids street fighter alpha 3 max arcade story.🤔🤨🧐
I was initially skeptical, since I didn't think that they'd have such a huge and cool concept being totally in the background when they're trying to sort of reintroduce the world like this. And then I saw those streamers on J.P.'s stage and just stared kind of slack jawed. Yeah, I'm not sure it's true but I want it to be true.
I was initially a little disappointed, kind of hoping Gill's perfect world would be a bit more creative, but the more I thought about it the more sense it made. If he made a totally unique world with it's own physics from scratch he'd have to alter everyone's memories. But by keeping it the same and having all the changes occur subtly after the unification then no memory altering is needed. Also him intentionally making all the villains goofy is just really cute. Gill was already a solid contender for my favorite Street Fighter character, but doing that would absolutely clench it.
I also find it funny that, by removing all the morally gray characters, they actually made it more morally gray. As right now there really doesn't seem to be any downside to the whole thing. It's just absolutely better for everyone that isn't Bison. I'm sure if it is the case it'll break in the end. Either the process will turn out to be unstable and they'll have to end it to save everyone. Or they'll defeat J.P. but not before he inflicts mortal damage to the Gate Of Harmony. Something like that.
My guess is that we'll be able to train with J.P. but only after beating the story. I'd prefer if we could before, as he has a lot of moves I'd want, but it's the vibe I get. Going off this theory, my personal hope if it all turns out to be 100%. At the end we'll either side with Gill (or more likely some sort of reprasentitive of him) to preserve the harmonious world, or J.P. to break it. My guess is that it'll break either way, probably Bison going out of control, but it'll determine your allies in the end or something. And it could lead to unique dialogue when you do train with J.P. If you side with him, you'd basically be old friends. Whereas if you fought against him, he basically sees your talent and recognizes that you're not a bad person (assuming of course that J.P. is fighting to free everyone and so saw you as the threat to humanity). Total rampant speculation, but I find it really fun.
Hmm
such a cool theory, I feel like they would do something a little more straight forward for this story but I would not be surprised if u were 100% right
Just got back from watching sf6 footage, and it just hit me that the health bars are red and blue, adding the other little details we can say for sure gill is definetly pulling the strings from the shadows, i just hope we get Urien back as DLC, but for now i'm contempt with JP, can't wait to see how he fits in the overall story
Well spotted! I'd love seeing urien as well, maybe we can get more of his brutality that was supposedly cut from SFV - there's an interview saying after he caught the enemy in the big ray in his critical art, he flipped them upside down and repeatedly kicked their head in. But it was censored for both being too long and too extreme.
@@DarumaFGC maybe that's what prompted the idea of level 3s and CAs, now they have an excuse to put it back in lol
JP stage also has red and blue
@@jennahaze6835 true, prolly the first thing most people noticed.
Man i can't wait for this game to drop so we can find out what's happening.
Beta 1 health bars werent. But once health has been lost they are translucent-black which may support this.
Another thought I had with JP's moves, is that they are very similar to the dash punches of Q and G, additional with the command grab as well that both G and Q have, but in form of the manifestation of bison appearing doing it. Honestly it gives JP this feeling of a puppet master of sorts, being behind Bison, G and Q
That's actually not far off. It's not an argument I would use because clearly, having a projectile do it isn't the same as doing it yourself, so there is still actually room for Q on the roster (though doubtfully G since it would seem his powers are with Marisa)
But nice catch!
@@DarumaFGC I think there's still room to have G and Marissa, just because she could share his powers doesn't mean that it's written in stone that we wouldn't see G. Especially on a gameplay sense there's DEFINITELY room for G even with JP and Marissa
@@tengudwn57 I agree with that assessment, as someone disseminating information I wouldn't say it myself because it would mean that G's powers being with someone else and him would mean needing a bonus explanation, it's wholly possible and has happened plenty in SF, but I try to make my content the least speculative it can be, so it's not a stance I'll officially hold, even if I agree it is possible.
Hmm
You realize that the Unibomber killed three people and injured many others in his bombing campaign
Wasn't actually his intent though for the most part, it's not like I'm glorifying him or anything, but it was his attempt at not hitting anyone that made him so identifiable
I wish street fighter 6 to be a worldwide success.
I didn’t know about the origin of Rose. That makes me like her more!:)
She's a very cool character, in both design and backstory. I like her playstyle a lot so I hope at least spiritually it makes a return in sf6
My assumption was that JP is actually G that had been possessed by Bison after he died in V, but being the force of nature that he is, was too powerful to be controlled by him. What we see is this transitional period now between G and Q where the corrupting influence of Bison is still minimal. Perhaps G can overpower Bison for now but I imagine Q is what becomes of G after Bison starts to get the upper hand.
I'm surprised no one's pointed this out (at least from the comments I've read), but the billboard in 11:47 has lines straight from Gill's ending in the 3rd Strike ports.
"Paradise... everyone dreams of it and searches their entire life for it..."
"Now... The road has been shown. This road will lead the pitiful people of this world to evolution... Yes... This is the way to the paradise!"
I faced a lil bit of ridicule right after sf6 came out, but honestly i think jurys still out on this theory. I think the base world tour story felt shockingly barebones for how intricate a world theyve built. And the JP being Bisons accountant thing is such a ludicrous deflation of stakes its bizarre.
this vid made me interested in SF6 just in general, my love for SF been kinda dying lately but i always love the storylines in fighting games and this theory made me super interested in where the story of 6 is going, i think you’re onto something with all the Gill stuff sprinkled in stages, almost like a psyop, hope the theory turns out to be true
Really holding out for sf6 and mk12 being interesting plotwise, a lot of fg stories have kind of felt like they've had no consequence lately. They seem to end where they started pretty much, so here's hoping for something a lot cooler and more meaningful soon
Cool vid, you’re all in huh. We only have bread crumbs from sf6 so far so thats all speculation. We do have half a book written in sfv and sf3 so if we step back and accept that as foundation, its a cant miss that G and Gill will be centerpieces in the sf6 story.
Btw, Gill being blown up in sf3 is just Uriens ending, that didnt happen (in Gills ending he leads humanity to an island, also didnt happen). Gill lost to Alex and Alex let him go, thats what happened.
So yup, 100% agree both will be back just cant tell in what format. Don’t think it’s as complicated as taking place in some ones head or alternate timelines though.
Technically it's debatable, but most people accept that a mixture of elements from Ryu, Sean's, Alex's and Uriens story happen. Since Uriens is like the final event timeline wise, we don't have any as yet conflicting info to prove it didn't happen, but I think it's worth noting that it's debated at least. If you searched it up right now you'd find that even the multiple street fighter wikis debate the topic.
Great eye for detail. Especially Gill + Billboards and Bison being summoned by JP
Someone in a comment noted that the health bars now are also blue and red, once you keep your eye open for this stuff, it's everywhere
Please more of these! This would be the single most epic story out of Street Fighter ever, really well done
I'll likely cover cool revelations that come from the street fighter 6 prequel comic in may, hopefully it manages to be as interesting!
1:45 I went and googled and got this:
Is Q and G the same?
"G is for gay, while the q is for queer."
Maybe we will meet L and B when sf6 progresses
You sent me into another dimension with this video. I love this theory and it sounds plausible to me.
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I was so skepticalat first, but this was way more insightful than I was expecting
Took a lot of digging to bring all these plot threads together but things didn't sit right with me with how sfv left off, and given season 4&5 were designed by the sf6 team, I figured they had to know better than anyone what they were building up to in the dlc stories, so I looked at all the things that stood out to me most in sf6 as seeming out of place and tied them all together.
@@DarumaFGC well I appreciate the work you did! it's interesting that the DLC team is the same as SF6 considering they included a Rival Schools character this time around and there's no Final Fight in the base roster. I wonder if Rival Schools might make a return in SF6 as well. I'd love that cuz I barely had enough time with Akira and I don't own the game anymore.
Given the fact the world tour mode open world is a huge selling point for sf6, I theorize future season passes may include new "regions" for the theme of that season, so there could in fact be a high school with rival school characters, sakura, and maybe even mell, Ken's son
I have a theory i made up watching this. Perhaps G isnt Q.
In Q's ending in 3rd Strike, the detective that talks about him is hinted to secretly or possibly be Q himself, said detective also has dark skin that not only Q shares, but also JP. Perhaps JP is a continuation of that, a man that donned the mask and now he doesnt need it since he has gained control over Bison's soul.
That is ofc if we ignore that G retroactively retconned that and HE is supposed to be Q. And that would leave the question open ofc, what happened to G.
Well, interestingly enough, in design interviews they state that G was specifically designed to be a "ringleader" and that things got out of hand and the president of the world thing caught on. But clearly, ringleader is a term specifically used for conspiracies and controlling things behind the scenes. It could be that G is in some way Q's master, and that at least makes some sense in that Q doesn't really have any superpowers we know of, but G has Geomancy, so if G himself was Q he'd have to have lost the Geomancy somewhere. If he instead is say, replicating himself into cyborgs, mind controlling with the mask, or training secret agents (could be any of the above really) then it would make sense they share G's fighting style, but not his powers.
@@DarumaFGC thats also very interesting. Perhaps JP is also a part of that, either as an agent of G who rebelled or succeeded at their plans. It would mean that there are still plenty of agents in other places too.
Nice try, but this is way off. Bison and Rose are not two halves of the same soul, this was a mistranslation and has long been retconned out. Bison was Rose's master before he abandoned her. SF's plot is not that complicated or deep.
my theory is that gill's ending from 3rd strike is the canon ending and paradise is brought to the world under gill's leadership
I really do think 3S is alternate canon, it was hard to fit in all the dialogue pertaining to things going different this time around from the end of SFV, but it really sounds like gills plans have been totally sidestepped for something worse. That's my understanding based on his and roses dialogue in particular.
Id love future analysis videos like this 10/10 by far
I'm more than happy to do such things when they're something that's unique and interesting
Love this so much. by the way i believe they said the terrorist attack killed Luke's father, and in sf6 Luke is after Ken because of it.
Slight misunderstanding, the terrorist attack that (allegedly) took luke's father's life was like before even SFV, he joins a PMC to look into it since he doesn't believe his father's actually dead. But it may be the case that because of this he has an aversion to terrorism and is after ken. All of this is stuff that will be explored in the street fighter 6 prequel comic in may of this year. So maybe there is a timeline discrepancy and it was in fact ken thats involved in that specific terrorist attack, but that would have meant that this terrorist attack happened and they framed ken for it, Luke joined a PMC, left a pmc (sfv story for luke) then started his own gym, then sf6 starts, and ken would have been on the run for all that time. Which seems a little weird, but could be the case, we don't know yet. I've done comic reviews before, so it's not out of the question that I'll do the sf6 series when it releases!
@@DarumaFGC I think until season 2 all character stories took place until SFV... but Luke was one whom I, for some reason, thought took place after SFV (maybe during SF3)
@@SonnyBCreative when I say during street fighter V there's basically 3 main situations that refers to - which would be the original story, a shadow falls, and "momentarily" after, that being the surfacing of G, we don't really know how long it's been but it's close enough after a shadow falls that whether it's days, weeks or months doesn't really matter. A mix of Luke's interactions with guile and a few winquotes at least mean he's already quit being in a pmc by that time, either just as G has shown up, or just after. While we don't know how long after G shows up SF6 happens, but it seems to be quite a drastic deal whatevers happened between these games. So there's at least a notable period of time between Luke quitting as a pmc, and beginning his gym. Recent design interviews also note that they want Luke's maturing to be slightly inverse, and to have him be fairly different personality-wise in sf6 than in 5. So I would at least assume half a year at minimum.
I personally don't really agree with the Marisa bit considering that it's just that they're both inspired by the same martial art but it's definitely worth thinking about
I dont think thats physically possible, I mean thats a lot of people to fit inside one person
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I hope they keep Q and G a mystery. He’s fun to just speculate about. I think any cannon story given to him would ruin the character a bit
I don't mind having Q unexplained, but G I feel like does deserve some explanation. Even if it's as little as what caused his Abe Lincoln brainwash
@@DarumaFGC agreed, G is a bit weird and isn’t defined by the mystery surrounding him, he has a personality and interacts with characters in a way which suggests intentions and purposes that probably have to be explained.
I think Q IS defined by the mystery around him, he doesn’t say anything, we don’t know if he’s a guy or a robot or something else entirely, I’m guessing that’s why he’s so popular despite only appearing in one game, because people get to speculate everything about him. he’s got a different tone to the other characters in SF3, he’s got an absolute banger of a soundtrack, he just shows up out of nowhere with no real explanation. Giving him a clear, defined story would kind of leave him with nothing because you lose the mystery and now there’s just a silent big grunty guy who picks people up and punches them in the face and we know why he does it. Which is cool but it’s been seen before. Being ambiguous is his whole thing really. It would be cool to see both G and Q in Street fighter 6. I hope they don’t just go down the G is Q route and give them a more ambiguous link to each other that leaves some freedom for the community to fill in some of the gaps. Maybe you input the Akuma code to unlock him in street fighter 2 on G and get Q instead or something. Cool video btw.
I think it's surprisingly possible that we might get Q in sf6. When it comes to dlc speculation, people really neglect to look at if that characters moves are already in the game. G is just gone entirely, his body is (probably) JP, and his powers are with Marisa (probably), but his actual moves, like the iconic charging sweep and uppercut or Q's swipes aren't represented anywhere, so he has good room to show up.
COULDVE SWORE Q WAS BLACK
This all has my head spinning... I hope we get some more answers during the showcase next week, or when the game comes out
My assumption is Lil Wayne's probably going to be an announcer which is, pretty wild to say the least. Plus alt costumes confirmed. No idea what else we'll see but fingers crossed something cool is shown.
A lot might be answered in the sf6 Udon comics . You should give us your thoughts on them once their out
I already do comic/manga reviews on my channel, so I'll definitely feed you guys my thoughts when they release in may
The base roster of the game is stupid...... even bad guys wearing box on their head smh.....and thier no evil on the game accept jp smfh .....and they might ruin akuma smh make him all nice and soft......and where tf is fei long🤔?
I wouldnt hate if the new akuma is like, at peace. I dont think its inexcusable for his character to have like reached mastery or something, but i think given how abjectly evil A.K.I. appears to be, its likely Akuma will get to be in the habit of breaking peoples backs just like old times.
@@DarumaFGC he can't be at peace,if he have that dark power linger in him...a.k.i will be alright
@DarumaFGC well akuma existencial crisis right now and m.bison came back so pretty much sf2 all over it again
RYU with a beard looks like the fusion of LIU KANG from mortal kombat with Zangief
One thing i dont care about at all is the story to any fighting game, i only care about game play and Ken's banana hair
This makes no sense but I’d love to see the whole SF3 cast make it back
Where does it say that the alpha games take place in an alternate dimension?
This is an effect of a HUGE amount of events, if I was to address it as quick as I can, Rose in SFV cannot be Rose from after alpha, who has bison inside her, if you assume alpha to have happened. And also cannot be Rose from SFIV, who bison rips all of her power from. But is implied in her dialogue to be from alpha (zero) and to have been repeatedly trying events until she got to a timeline where Bison would be destroyed. Even ignoring her character story - alpha was still non-canon before SFV even released, because of an incredible sweeping amount of retcons in SFIV that make the events of alpha incoherent with the mainline games. And these would then be followed up by even more retcons in SFV. Even the events of alpha that are canon, like Nashes death, are actually massively changed and are not the event from alpha itself, since the way Nash died in SFV isn't the way he died in any of the 3 alpha games, for example. As a result you can no longer assume an event within any alpha series game to be canon until it is specifically referenced in a new street fighter game, and without that it should be assumed non canon, due to its treatment as such while Ono was leading the franchise.
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Its simply that the developers did a hard pivot from Ono's vision. I am guessing a protoype of SF in the RE Engine convinced the money people.
Supposedly, before season 5 of dlc was announced, a prototype of a 2v2 street fighter 6 lead by Ono's team was half finished and was so unsightly he got shoved off the project and sf6 got restarted with an extra year & 1/2 of support for SFV to buy time for the new game. This is supported by the capcom ransomware attack that show an original sf6 date for last year.
The history in sf5 is 👉💩💩💩💩💩💩💩
They say that psycho power isn't really bisons power but a code holders power ingrid's power to be more specific that bison somehow managed to FIND and take SOME of it. Soo apparently ingrid seals and stores a little bit of her power in certain locations why? idk but would think that either it's for later use if ingrid finds herself in situation where she really needs it or, just as an experiment to see how certain characters would use it if they had it or found it or, to have certain characters obtain it to grow her power for her and then once it's grown to her satisfaction she goes and just simply harvests her ripened power back from the characters.
also the power that bison wields is not actually psycho power. psycho power is just a name that bison came up with to call it.
this is a mix of information based on ingrids origins combined with ingrids street fighter alpha 3 max arcade story.🤔🤨🧐
@Azure Sea Ingrid isn't canon to Street Fighter. Capcom has stated this multiple times. She was just the character that stood out in Capcom Fighting All-Stars. Alpha 3 Max's ending isn't a serious ending. In street Fighter as of now she has no origin.
@@madlabsinfirmary1904 it's just a theory just like the guy in the video was giving his theory. You don't have to have canon in order to theorize.🤔🤨🧐
Bruh 3rd strikes ost is a masterpiece, really wish sf6 was a fraction as good in the music department
Nobody saw the red and blue characters on the health bars? Clearly Gill is pulling strings.
Someone caught it in the comments! Super cool detail.
@@DarumaFGC nice. Im glad someone did. I haven't played since alpha 3. Too much my fav that i still play lol. That part stood out to me the most when i saw they changed the character corner portraits to red and blue.
Dude great video! Do you think that the shadaloo gang will make its return ?
Ehhhh, to the same extent im sure Wesker will return for resident evil, eventually they definitely will, anytime soon? Entirely up to capcom
That explains the smell.
I believe you but does it take place on the red side or the blue side 😂😂😂🤣😭🤣 and where is Fei long
Some new evidence for this theory is that JP is the only character during the character specific tutorials to talk directly to the player on how to play him (almost like third person) instead of the game telling you
His win quote against Cammy is also "Shadaloo is no more, my little Doll" 🤔
if Q and G dnt show up, fuq capcom and their poor storytelling
1st time seeing you buddy. Great catches. You have a great eye. The one that hit me hard was Marissa turning gold like G. Definitely something to think about. I Def think Q is G and I think G is JP... initially 😅
It's incredibly interesting stuff, I hope the answers to why all these things are the case isn't something insanely boring. I'd be bummed out if there's no answers to this stuff besides "Marisa can do that"
and if this is true which i know it aint, im done w sf.... too much stupidity
You've lost me on the "Rose travels into SFV time-line somehow". Even if we assume that SF Alpha timeline is non canon (based on what), and she somehow traveled to SFV timeline, what about Rose being in SFIV?
A great deal of all 3 alpha games has been repeatedly retconned and isn't considered canon, not least of which being Nash's story, but also rose being killed by bison in alpha 3, and then him going on to inhabit her body himself, but in sfiv, he then goes on to remove her of her powers. Which she obviously still has by SFV and it's her only plot beat in that game. There's plenty of conflicting information in even the mainline games, so you can only really ever take the most recent mainline street fighter as what's considered "current canon" - and assume that anything that's not retconned is at least airy.
@@DarumaFGC I just assumed because of how SFA arcade modes end with every single character destroying Shadaloo base in their own way, there's just one "canon" ending of a single character and that's how SF Alpha ended
It feels bad to give capcom flak for it, but a lot of SF is sorta poorly written. Not only are retcons literally constant, like a lot of SFV seems to directly contradict SFIV which is bizarre for two games in sequence both directed by the same person - but besides that even the concrete canon stuff is still purposefully doubtful, a lot of major fights the only actual canon information is "somebody won" - and while you can presume that to be ryu in a lot of cases, there are multiple times across sf2, sf3, and sfiv where ryu being the one to win a certain fight seems to conflict with other canon information. A lot of other fights, especially in sfiv and alpha are literally just endingless too, gen and akuma, and gen and Gouken are both just started and that's all we get. If you actually put the whole SF timeline together it's full of holes, but alpha in particular has by far the most holes, not only across each game, given the vast majority is clear non canon, but between the games too, Nash dies 3 seperate times and yet the events of Nash's death in SFV don't actually match any of them. Similar, but not the same, since guile survives (clearly) while Nash doesn't. As a result you kind of should only assume the directly referenced events from that time period are canon, and next to nothing else.
Sounds like someone took being the host of the tournament literally
LOL, this one got me
Since I pretty much avoided sf5. I did not know of g and q might be related
G was a big pull into SFV for me, I think his unique fireball and reflector make him a great addition to the SF roster overall, I was sad to see him gone from the SF6 roster
Actually the alpha series is canon not alternate timeline also Rose had a role in 4 even tho it wasn’t has big as other characters story’s so it doesn’t make sense that she time travel from alpha especially when she is technically a main character in series
It's a plot device to explain the many, many retcons from alpha, the designers have confirmed she's in a time loop and time travel isn't mentioned as though it's new to her, she's been repeating events to find a timeline where bison is defeated, which finally happened only to make things worse. But absolutely everything from alpha has been retconned to the point where you can't take info from those games at face value. Nash's story which is probably the most important part still winds up different since obviously in the mainline games, guile didn't die and Nash did, completely opposite to alpha. I can't really list every retcon here, just know that alpha is more used as reference for the mainline games, rather than hard facts, and has been cut from main continuity through a series of retcons in IV & V
(Btw, roses story in sfiv involves bison removing her soul power and taking it for himself, which, may or may not have happened. It's unaddressed since clearly rose is still doing stuff during sfv and not just after)
@@DarumaFGC very good points bro but from what I gather in terms of story the arcade canons games are sf1 sf alpha 2 & 3 and sf 3 2 impact & 3rd strike but you are also very right about the arcade stories they never told us where the stories took place during the main story which really sucks except from alpha 3 we’re the characters went to destroy the tower and Ryu with m bison etc also very true about Nash tbh he was just in alpha 3 as an extra so his appearance doesn’t count in alpha 3 I’m not saying ur wrong or anything but I seen people confirm this to be true and as for rose you’re probably right about her going into and creating alternate timelines but my theory is that she looking into alternate futures, rather going into them to see the best outcome just find out there is non I think that’s honest best because I’m sick of time travel but you made amazing points about everything I was a casual street fighter fan when I was a kid but now i’ve been a huge street fighter fan for about six years now and I’m very excited to see the story continue hopefully we get a add on story that ties everything together
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sf5 is why i have zero interest in sf6. hell half the time the game froze between matches in arcade. I'll stick w/ 2-4 and the alpha series.
It may as well be open knowledge I am not an Ono fan by any means, hated SFIV until the b-team cleaned it up, hated SFV until the b-team cleaned it up, hated SFxTekken, hated MvCI - now the B-team are in charge, I finally have some faith they know how to make a game. So I'm incredibly excited.
I thought the Alpha games are canon
They’re meant to bridge the gap between Street Fighter and Street Fighter II
Every single canonical event from the alpha games has been altered extremely heavily, not least of which being Nash's death, which originally had guile die and Nash live on, but as of SFV they have swapped roles completely. But this is explained as rose searching for a series of events that cause bisons defeat and changing the timeline accordingly. It's a recent occurrence, but something that started happening in sf4, where a lot of retcons began to happen
@@DarumaFGC got ya
So it’s like how Capcom just replaced Devil May Cry 2’s place in that timeline to make the story in DMC5 more cohesive. Got it
Right
I hope they bring Guy Back to Sf6
He was my #1 wishlist but given Kimberly has his entire moveset, I can't see him returning unless he has a cameo or is a shopkeeper or something.
Really cool theory, maybe to cool to be real but I have hope
It all seems to fit into place too well for me to disregard it, even if it isn't addressed at all in the sf6 main story mode, I think it's likely a story expansion like a shadow falls would include elements of this theory.
Since the games open world now, and they want that to be a big draw for people. It's my assumption season passes might also contain a more traditional dlc, whether that's a new area to explore or new story segment. So we have a loooot of lore to chew through when the game comes out
I hope that the story and plot of sf6 is darker and more violent that it has a lot of seriousness and no comedy I want to see seriousness in the characters I hope to see again forgotten street fighter characters like the ninja Geki and also Joe, Retsu and Lee. They should also include characters and designs from the excellent Street Fighter 2 victory animated series and should include characters from Saturday Night Slam Masters and Fighting EX Layer
This theory is amazing, extremely well done
Thanks a bunch! Really hope I'm right on it, would be a good feeling to be able to put out a told-you-so vid in june
@@DarumaFGC that’d be great!
Ok but since when Street Fighter, or any fighting game at all (aside from Tekken) follows a cohesive, continuous timeline and plot?
They don't care about that.
Guilty Gear, KOF, Fatal Fury, plenty do. But SF is in new hands now. It did have a linear story between SF 1, 2 , SF Alpha 2, and SF3 but when Ono took over for SFIV he just started doing dumb pointless stuff for the story. Now we have new blood in charge, and it's the same director who wrote the stories for G, Rose and Gill in SFV, it's much more likely a real plot will be attempted
@@DarumaFGC Guilty Gear, forgot about those. Nice story.
Art of Fighting and Fatal Fury are supposed to be KOF prequels, but they all have GLARING continuity errors and retcons. KOF too, had some of those.
All I'm saying is that it's nice that they are attempting, but don't hold your breath that it will be something mind blowing. SFV didn't even had a story mode when it was released...
So is there any chance they add gill in sf6 ?
Given that a lot of his normals are given to Marisa, I don't think we'd see him per-se. BUT I think since SFV had the interesting situation where Urien was very high tier and Gill was very low tier, I wouldn't be surprised if Urien inherits some of gills powers somehow, and comes back more interesting this time around.
That's total speculation though. Most developers wouldn't want a character who was top tier in a previous game to remain such in the next installment, but they gave Cammy a launcher off of hooligan combination grab, so who honestly knows what capcoms decisions are based on
Look up what myself?
This probably takes place on that Island that Gill was talking about when he wins the game in SFIII
3:04 huh? alpha is canon & in the same timeline, it just got some specific things that were retcon'd. it takes place between 1 & 2. i have no clue where you got this idea that alpha is and was always a completely different timeline that rose has to literally TRAVEL BETWEEN DIMENSIONS to get to 5. she was in street fighter 4 as well, and her story is a completely straight line from alpha to 5.
you can say "alpha got retcon'd a lot", but that doesn't mean it's literally an alternate universe that rose literally interdimensionally traveled from. literally all the retcons mean is that you ignore the things that got retcon'd, but not the ones that weren't.
I never said alpha "was always" a completely different timeline, but nowadays (specifically, as of SFV, but at times in SFIV) it is more "borrowed from" than canon in itself. Not only is the vast majority of alpha non canon, but even what is considered canon is so heavily retconned it doesn't match what happened in alpha anymore. Instead of listing out all the canonical inconsistencies and retcons, and just focusing on rose, her story is now intentionally incongruent with multiple things, such as bison robbing her of her soul power in sfiv, but it is now part of her story that she is a time traveler. Replaying events multiple times to get to an iteration of them where bison is destroyed, and in fact the designers have even specifically mentioned her as being in a time loop, at the very least implying that the offscreen changes to alpha were to some degree her fault, and led to the events of street fighter V. Whether you want to call that an alternate timeline, or a parallel dimension or whatever, the effect ends up the same.
The channel "history behind the warrior" does a great job laying out every single event from every single game and laying out what is and is no longer canon. I recommend them a lot for going over the whole of alpha and sfiv/sfv with a fine comb and seeing what got tossed out.
You keep saying they aren't here whatsoever but the story has been written and their world exists where other characters just haven't been revealed yet. I also don't know if JP is using Bison either but maybe there IS some type of Harmony in/by Gill but then that opens up the doors for Capcom to do weird things with Street Fighter...like very weird
What happens when gill claps his asscheeks? Does fire or ice appear?
Wind
Marisa resembles Roman type stuff and Gill resembles a Greek type stuff could there be confection somewhere with that?
It certainly seems suspicious even if I dont know the exact connection
@@DarumaFGC Its a great vid. It's really got me thinking about what's come now. Cheers 👍
My friend it sound like you saying Street Fighter free xD hah
I would play that if it existed
I think we might get some of these characters in the story mode as small cameos from final fight and 3rd strike
Given the weird way world tour mode is laid out, clearly there's a town central, a Chinatown, a junkyard, etc. I've got a theory rolling around that dlc seasons might include new "districts" to explore themed around the characters of that season or such. For example, rival schools could literally just add a full high school with a bunch of characters
@@DarumaFGC that’d be sick actually nice
SFV characters that went nowhere should include Necali.
Yeah, insanely unfortunate that one.
Or, maybe…Capcom might just be holding them back for DLC.
This is so pause 🤣
So sf6 is the twisted metal black of street fighter
We need that brought back fr
I'am so confused... who's fused with who?
The actual borders of this are a little nebulous. Because we still don't know too much about the personalities/backstories of Marisa, Manon, JP, and we don't know the particulars of Bisons situation either. So a lot of this becomes really speculative for "who's fused with who, why and how?"
Maybe G is fused directly with Gill, and in effect Gill is the Prison and JP, a representation of G, is the Warden. Or maybe G's relationship to JP and Marisa is seperate from Gill entirely, so he never fused with Gill, and Gill enclosing everyone in this fake universe is seperate.
It's a bit of a useless thing to speculate on because there's too many possibilities and it being any specific one doesn't effect the end result, which is:
Gill has embodied some kind of false world that has entrapped only "good" members of the street fighter cast
G has an unexplained, direct connection to JP and Marisa
Bisons soul is a manifestation of JPs, somehow.
Wasn't Alex the protagonist of sf3.
Yeah, ish. Though I believe canonically ryu still wins the tournament. But keep in mind that's across 3 seperate street fighter 3 games.
Alex does have a moral code but he's the type to just smash people's faces in if they seem to be doing something wrong. He goes a little extreme with it.
Gill is there. He's pulling the strings. JP isn't manifesting Bison it's a partial teleport. G isn't there due to horrible reception. Ken is the main protagonist now that Ruy doesn't have to face Bison.
what horrible reception are you talking about? maybe it's my 'murican bias but people seem to have taken well to G. maybe not in other regions but idk, haven't heard anything negative. he's a weird but cool character, a bit annoying to fight against but all the balance stuff was rendered moot by Luke.
wdym horrible reception. he was one of the most loved newcomers in sfv
WHAT DUDE
Here ya go have an existential crisis inside an existential crisis gee thx Capcom! On the real tho I kinda hope this guy's right.
Last time I checked Final Fight was an SNK franchise so if this hints anything towards another Street Fighter VS SNK collab im already hype for it.
I used to make this mistake too, Final Fight is capcom through and through, Fatal Fury is SNK
When was it confirmed that g is q?
I said all but confirmed, and loop back to the fact that all 3 characters wear Q's hallmark outfit, the duffel coat and bowler hat. The mystery of how these 3 are directly related is clearly something there is an answer to, but not one we explicitly have right now
from a real story,that's literally what the organization is trying to do in real life
Sir this is a street figheter. I think they just want to tone down the story as SFV was some over the top save the world BS.
so… the game’s out now. Was this correct?
The answers a little bit messy, the short answer is no, but to expound on that a bit, a lot about the game is very clearly purposely underexplained, if youre to take JP at his word, (and to be fair he has multiple fake identities and lies to you throughout the story) hes merely Bisons accountant and just happened to take psycho power for his own, and the vessel he refers to is actually your player character, who he passes psycho power onto in the end.
There like very clearly will be a follow up story at some point, theres already a post game tournament with the rashid update and at EVO the team confirmed maintained frequent world tour updates with essentially every character. So id consider the whole nayshall tournament arc an introduction to your player characters part in the story, and say the rest remains to be seen, because none of these plot threads i mentioned in the video were addressed at all, marisas geomancy, G's disappearance, etc
Why everyone thinks that JP talks about M.Bison in context of 'vessel"? It's obvious it was about our custom character in World Tour mode.
"He was obsessed you see, for finding an appropriate vessel for this power"
Even if the vessel is you, who was "he"?
Those Marisa observations are very interesting
This is my new favourite conspiracy theory
Fingers crossed they're not crazy ramblings and I'm onto something
what if i want Gill to be inside ME?
Different website
I feel like this could become a meme
I sure hope not
TBH... No one ever played SF for the riveting story plots,, am I right? I believe I heard they were trying to move the series forward, as not to fall into the trap of taking years to progress to SF3 and 4 and so on.
I do think Ryus story is uniquely compelling among fighting games to like, Uber-casuals. I think most people at least have an idea he's not in it for glory, but to just face and surpass strong opponents. Whereas if you ask most people what's going on with Jin from Tekken, you're just gonna be met with confusion most of the time. So, id at least say plot is a *little* more of a draw to street fighter than other fighting games to the majority. But yeah, it's hardly done great at being the centrepiece of any game, so hopefully sf6 hits it out of the park
Why dont u make ur own game ?
Been there bud
Something that I have noticed in the character artwork is each character has some red or blue. Exceptions would be Ryu (grey, black, white. But the red is because of Ken's headband), Dhalsim in gold, and Juri is a mix with purple (chaos?)
True, and those colours are particularly striking on the characters who have never worn either, like guile and E honda. Well spotted
The title: does Street Fighter 6 take place inside Gill?
Zarbon: *OOOOOH!*
The Ginyu force will have a field day with the create a character
Okay, took a while but when you brought up the billboards and the red and blue motifs present in the game, got to admit I'm pretty much sold on this theory. At the very least see this be very plausible
Sorry, couldn't really cut anything since the theory doesn't make much sense without eyeing up what was going on at the end of SFV, but I'm glad you think it makes sense
When he said tero card and the fool I thought JoJo reference
Rose pretty much is just Lisa Lisa, so you're not far off
Ikr
Both have a bath seen to
jp i just g plus bison
Seems likely, but it does beg the question how he lost his goldmancy and passed it to marisa
This guy has the timeline wrong sfv comes before sf3 and sf3 comes before sf6.
I literally put the timeline on screen and that was the order
this makes me wonder how Q fits into this, why are G's moves soo similar to Q?
There's a lot of fun theories for this. There's a suggestion in one sf3 ending that there's hundreds or thousands of Q's and not just one. A lot of people seem to think the Q mask is some kind of mind control device and that's what's going on with the boxes the mad gear gang wear on their heads.
A fun thing I only learned deep diving dev interviews is that originally, G was designed as a Ringleader. Like a ringleader for a circus, which we can clearly see in his alt costume. Ringleaders a very specific word though that's often bundled in with ideas of conspiracy. So it's entirely possible he's behind some mysterious group we don't know about now SIN and Shadaloo are gone.
I think you’ve thought of this more than Capcom has (though I hope I’m wrong).
Fingers crossed I've thought of it less than them, and it's cooler than I expect
The weed can play a role in it too lol
Question:
You Think Urien Will Be In Play Sometime In This Plot?
Absolutely, but he'd be like an in-post thing. I have a pretty staunch suspicion that the SF6 main plot will just be winning a world warrior tournament as your create-a-character, only to be told the truth about everything by JP when you win. And then afterwards, in an "a shadow falls" type second story after release, presumably involving dlc characters, we'd do something to get out of the pocket dimension into the real world.
If it's true that this takes place after SF3 in the timeline, but in an alternate timeline where Gill survived, Urien would absolutely want to stop him, and might even be on the good-guy side in whatever winds up happening.
@@DarumaFGC I hope he plays some sort of anti-hero role in that case; he's too ambitious and active to just let sit offscreen while the person he hates most gets another one over him.
Of course, I don't think he'll get exactly what he wants or become the new main antag; but I do hope he pulls some sort of W over Gill that goes beyond "I Killed Him In His Sleep lol"
He has too much stage presence, it'd be a major disappointment without him somewhere on the field.
I hope this is real. Subbed
I've got my fingers crossed too!