I'm 70yrs old, I have a 2016 Kawasaki ZX10R that I've put 140,000 km on ... taken it to the track tens of times ... it rocks. I also have a 2020 Triumph Street Triple 765 RS that I've riden 60,000 km and taken to the track tens of times. The verdict ... I can ride the Street Triple faster, but the ZX10R is my favorite ... it's a mind bending experience ... eats tires and you have to treat it with respect ... cheers 🎉🎉
Yes, people that never had a superbike don't know that even if the numbers don't show it, it really feels like it has 10x the power of a naked bike, for some reason, I don't know, maybe the position, maybe the brakes, it just feels like a rocketship.
I'm 64 and have been riding all bike bicycles pro skier and windsurfing too. It more fun to be able to push the bike to its limit. I can burn through a set of tires every month on any bike I have . My 29 HP Honda CRF 250 is just has fun has my KTM 690 Duke R that's under 300 pounds. I just ride for fun and I don't mind 150cc or 1000cc
Yea ... agreed, when you get a superbike wide open, feels like yer on top of a nuclear reactor with a monkey down below pulling control rods as fast as he can ... you have to experience it to believe it ... cheers 🎉🎉 @@aao331
I’m 19 and I can already see myself on my deathbed with a million regrets. That is if I don’t get dementia, Alzheimer’s, schizophrenia, etc.. from smoking thc vapes and weed.
It's so cool to read all the comments of all the senior riders with supersports and superbikes, it's so inspiring because it confirms that you can't explain passion. Passion is blind and life is too short to not enjoy what makes your heart beat faster and turns your face into a big big smile. Thank you guys, I wish I will be cool as you when I become older!
I'm 56 and ride a Ducati Panigale V2. Complain about how sore I am every time I get off it, but the experience while i'm on it it is worth the pain. My wife thinks I'm a moron for doing it and she's probably right.
Me too, love my V2 Panagale, but I'm 63 and I'm never sore. Love it to bits. Guess I'm lucky. Never gonna sell it.Something for the grandkids. OMG , Yammie, you're pretty much half my age! All my kids are older than you
68 yrs old - been riding since I was 12. Currently enjoying a 2003 R1150 RT. It and I am perfectly happy between 55-65 mph. The older you get, the more you enjoy torque over hp. I won’t spend more than $2500 on a bike anymore. Liability coverage only - $70/yr when you are old!
You are getting older - and wiser. How fast your RUclipsr kids grow up 😂. My son’s first bike at 16 was a Buell 1200. 2nd bike at 18 was a Ninja 1000. He’s 31 now living in Austria and just bought a GSX 8R (776cc). He loves it.
Grow up? Fast? He nearly killed someone and didn't learn from it. It took him over a decade of riding to realize motorcycles are about more than HP and suspension, he's a SQUID through and through.
He makes a valid point.. personally I don't see the point of having a super bike if you're not going to get it on the track. You can't fully use it unless you're always breaking the law...
Yea but getting 45mpg going 85-90 is so sweet when you have a 20 mile highway drive to work lol. The idea of not having something because you’re not going to push it to its limit is played out and ignorant. How often do you redline your car or turn your oven all the way to the max temperature or turn your water faucet on full blast
@@jockwithajoystickI could buy that argument, if smaller bikes didn’t also go 90+, but they do. This entire premise of “how often do you redline your car” isn’t a thing, honestly, because either you use your car for actual travel, or you have a sports car that you do redline, and get the ticket eventually. Or, you’re just showing off. As for the oven- the typical oven goes to 500-550, and it’s used quite often for actual baking. A higher temp oven is bought specifically for stuff like pizza, so there’s that. I own a hayavusa, and honestly it’s just a vanity purchase. Absolutely no way around that, or to otherwise justify it. I had a bunch of money bburnjng a hole in my pocket, and wanted one. That’s it. No logical argument.
I think I get what you mean, but more from a car point of view. I owned a '93 Rx7 a few years back, and now I own a '22 Supra 3.0. Not hypercars or anything, but both pretty fast, especially after a few mods. When my Rx7 was in the shop, a friend let me borrow his '91 Miata for a week. I can honestly say that despite the lack of power, that little Miata was a ton of fun. There's something about being able to push a car to its limits, but not be too worried about wrapping yourself around a tree.
Oh, for sure..... I spent many $$$ trying to get my RX-7 to handle and stop and "feel" like a well sorted sportscar. After 10 years on the build, my widebody, TII swapped first gen was a pretty capable machine. Then I drove a mostly stock Miata and really felt like I had wasted my time. I wasn't in love with the engine, but the chassis and suspension felt telepathic and impossible to have been attached to such a cheap and available car.
Its the same concept but the 1000cc supersport bikes are insanely fast, the 600cc bikes are quite fast too lol It’s like going from an rx7 to a mclaren f1
I got a 2002 Monster 620. Ducati’s air/oil cooled, 2 valve Desmo, “L twin” motors have so much character and also look fantastic in my super biased opinion
100% agree with this video. I’m young and dumb (20) and owned a R1 for a year. I sold it for a DRZ400 instead and I have twice as fun on the drz. Any chance I’d get I’d rip open the throttle on the R1, pull wheelies past cars and just a bunch of hooligan stuff where eventually something would bound to go wrong (keep in mind all of my financials were invested in this bike too). Also in the twisties I was never using the bike to its full potential. With the drz I can thrash it, stunt it, ring its neck out without worrying about looping because parts are cheap and it’s easy to fix and no speeding tickets.
I ride a KTM SuperDuke 1290r and live in Ireland. It’s really so miserable with the rain I’ve been only able to clock 12,300km with my 2 year ownership. I feel like a 690 smcr or a super Moto will be more useable especially with the shitty bumpy roads in Ireland.
@luckyleo88 My problem is I commute, snd start work at 5.30am so have to set off really early, in January. I dont want power. It is terrifying some morning when the wind and 🌧, or in winter with the ice. Its 40 mph tops some days.
I enjoyed this. I've never owned a litre bike. Never wanted one. Currently I ride a CB650F inline 4 and a CRF300L, both slightly modified for performance. The cb650f doesn't compare to a litre supersport, but what you say is still relevant, as I find I have more 'fun' on the 300L. It's just not serious, and you find yourself goofing off taking full advantage of it's incredible flickability. I'm 74 and maybe that influences my viewpoint, but I find the joy in riding is mostly in the visceral nature of being in the elements, feeling your connection to the road, and working the gears and throttle, etc. All of that is increased on a lightweight small bore bike.
Honestly, I've owned and ridden all sorts. Several 1,000cc bikes included. I've also ridden the Street Triple. And for most situations, that's ALL the bike you need for the road. Good riding position, the engine is superb as is the handling. Plus you stand a chance of keeping your licence.
The power of a 1000 comes in great for when you want to sit back and enjoy the ride. Click it up into 6th, and still have plenty of power without downshifting, or buzzing the motor at higher rpms.
I'm 25 and ride a 2007 Fireblade and I'm totally in love with it. Bought it with 44K kilometers (or 30K something miles) on the clock and it's everything you'll ever desire for a motorcyle in terms of performance. If you're somehow in the grass with it however, it's like bambi, and wet conditions suddenly require you to have the subtle hand control of a pro violin player, but seeing that beast of a machine glistening in the sun on a calm day makes it all worth it. A motorcycle is something you buy with your heart, not with your head
@@Google_Does_Evil_Now It was a joke, he said a motorcycle is something you buy with your heart, not with your head. I can cover the insurance costs btw. Do not need to matter lol
@@mikay971 I've been not quoted and I've had £5,000+ quotes. Was curious how much a new rider was quoted. I've a licence over 15 years but not ridden for a few years so I don't have any NCB at present.
Got myself a 2024 mt07 (my first bike) yesterday and put 80 miles on it. Can't wait to break it in. It's unreal looking outside and seeing a motorcycle parked out front.
I think 120hp to 140hp with torque 77-82lbs/ft is the sweet spot for road riding. Can also deal with two up riding decently without sacrificing too much. As a bigger guy with a long inseam, todays top mid rage bikes, MT09, Duke990, Street765, basically have that power, I find them small for my size, So I gravitate towards the Superduke and MT10. I'll never use their full potential, but they do handle very well for their size, are comfortable, sound great and can give you a rush that the mids simply can't. Remember, motorcycling was never about sensibility, its about passion, and because you can.
@@bosk1n I've had a Superduke, Tuono, Speed Triple and they eat up sport tires. Going forward I would def put ST tires on, better in rain and cold weather as well. And quite frankly, even my spirited riding is not fast enough to warrant pure sport tires on the street.
I'm turning 60 soon. Just bought a used V4 tuono factory. I frickin love it and do use it to get a loaf of bread as well as chase canyons. It's light and nimble. My prior bike was an RC 390, the transition was ez.
Capacity is NOT a requirement to have fun on a bike, I have ridden so many machines, I am 63 and spent half my life working in the bike industry, many track days, many super sport machines ( which I agree, were too fast for the road, even 25years ago ) and the most memorable was Silverstone with California Superbike School, I rode R6/R1 etc, but the most fun, by a mile was the XJR1300SP, a torquey ‘sofa’ of a bike, maybe 75 BHP down on the R1, but my memories of riding beyond the machines capabilities, the slides, the crossed up corner entries, grinding away the ‘undercarriage’, hanging off to get it around corners… what fun for me. The R1 was much more machine, than I was rider, and I am cool with that, now owned a T7 for 4 years, could not be happier !
Got my first bike when my dad passed. Got his vulcan 1500 learned on that, bought a duke 690. Learned more stuff in that, treaded that in for a 23 mt 09. Lo e that bike. I'll hit 20k miles in less than a year on that bad boy. I ride 180ish mile round trip daily to work in LA...so nice
64 this year, I've put 40,000miles on my MT10 and absolutely love it!! Set it up as a sport tourer with cat delete, ecu flash, 2 teeth down on the rear sprocket, bar backs for a more upright seating position, aftermarket seat, heated grips and hand guards and of course a front fairing.. 160 horse and power wheelies all day..!!.. love it..
I have a CB1000R, technically a liter bike, but it’s so torquey that you can go from 25-125mph in 6th gear its a blast and you don’t have to go crazy fast on it.
The points you bring up are completely right and relatable. I'm nearly 60 and when I was younger the Suzuki GSX-R 1000 was the halo bike but most opted for lower cc like a 750 or 600. They could still tear it up. But today we are awash in choice of fantastic bikes. I don't need an overpowered anymore. My choice is the Honda NX 500. Perfect for my aging body and very capable. Glad to see younger riders like yourself highlight these points. The MT 09 is a a all the bike anyone could ask for. Great channel! Cheers from Nova Scotia!
I’ve been riding many different superbikes for nearly 40 years now and have finally realised that my two current superbikes in the 1000cc category are just not practical for the road much as I love them both. One in particular is north of 150bhp/400lbs and is just not happy unless it’s well beyond 100mph. It just feels like a unleashed monster that is constantly being held back. So now I’m north of 60 I’m selling my two superbikes and going back to my roots and getting a lightweight adventure bike in small/ mid category of about 50+ hp which is more than enough in the real world.
From all of us who came b 4, we like your enthusiam. 2162 knows what I mean ! We chased 4 the moon ! it got to the point where we self reported super fast speeds were beyond imagination and now just so ho ho among the fast boys ! Thanks for keeping us updated !
Superbikes are magic on the track. But on the street, other choices make WAY more sense. I have owned six 1,000cc Superbikes, as well as a number of supersports and other sport bikes. My current street bike is a '24 390 Duke. I love it. If you can ride, a small bike like this is a hoot if you can keep up with or leave your riding partners on their much more powerful bikes on twisty roads. Now if you are out on the super slab, on a nice day, in an area with good long distance visibility, the big bikes are king, but most of "what is best" or "most fun" depends dramatically upon where you live due to differences in geography, road conditions, visibility, weather, etc.
Got a late model Z900 and live in the mountain twisties, so perfect for where I live. Had plenty of fun on a 160 moped in Thailand zipping around Phuket and Northern Thailand. If you can ride, smaller bikes are fine at times …
I started on a Suzuki RF900 went to a KLR 650, awesome bike. K5 gsxr1000 for several years, absolute animal amazing machine. Hung it up for a decade now I'm almost 40 and I just bought an 02 VFR 800 to get back on two and oh man am I glad I did. For me it's perfection. Love the content Yam!!
I have an R6 race bike, I've owned Super Dukes, S1000RR's, Tuono's, and I currently own a Streetfighter V4S. All of these bikes are fantastic. I recently bought a '24 Moto Guzzi Stelvio (ADV touring bike) and I have ridden it exclusively since I got it home. I can go waaaay too fast on it on the road, it's super comfy, has storage, long service intervals... I think I'm a convert. Sport touring, slow bike fast is the way.
Yes. Consider the Triumph Tiger Sport 660 for, in my opinion, the best sub-$10k middleweight sport tourer. The perfect balance of fun and sporty with versatile and practical, plus an incredible value.
Gen 3 SuperDuke owner here. As much as I love the power of the bike…I’m inclined to go down either with a KTM 690 smcr or duc hypermotard…I barely can use gear 5 & 6 on the Irish roads…can’t go too fast here as the roads are bumpy and lots of pot holes…
Sounds a lot like myself. I had a break from riding for about 5 years after my last bike got stolen and recently bought an F750GS. Very different from any of my previous bikes, but sooo much less stressful on the road. Plenty of grunt for a bit of fun in the hills, but super relaxed for getting there.
After over 20 years of not riding a street bike, just dirt bikes, I started back up on the 21 MT-09, and loved it. The only thing for me was the flighty front end. I moved up to the 23 MT-10 and really love it. Very stable, but still wheelie happy.
Been there done that, been riding 35 years, I've owned a dozen bikes or more including fzr1k, rf900r,zx6 etc I'm 52 and ride an upgraded sportster these days. I put hammer 1275 kit in it and nice shocks. I love it dude. Don't care what anyone thinks of it either. It makes me happy!
I'm 47 and ride a ZX-6R and have done for a fair few years now and have never thought I need another 100bhp, i've known people give up bikes after jumping on a litre bike and scared the c*** out of themselves and just noped out of bikes forever... all I can say is ride what you love and accept that not all of us love the same type of bikes... (looking at you hardley riders)...
They ARE that fun to ride. They’re not only fast, but also light and nimble. Perfect for the street, everyday use, and doing long distance in a short time. I’m 45 and I do long Europe trips on a K5. Still loving it
Thank you Yammie for this video. This message from you really helps pushing motorbikes to the mainstream. People with loud exhausts doesn't help fair laws for us nor acceptance. Trident 660 rider here. More than enough if we are talking about torque and power for street and road driving needs. Safety first, fun second, you know. Only 80hp but i can constantly see TC indicator blinking if i want beause grip in Spain summer roads isn't just enough. ABS tells the same story. And you want more? Economy, comfort, etc, all factors say the same. 60 to120 hp is the sweet spot. More is unavailable 99% of the time. I am not going to pay for the 1% remaining.
55 here on an 09 ZX6R. Had her since she was brand new. She has low sided at the track and in the mountains but she is currently healthy. Now at almost 45k miles, I still feel the same way as when I first met her. I’ve ridden 1000cc to 125cc but absolutely luv the middle weight inline four the most. ✌️
@@iamtheoffenderofallI can only imagine the fine for 140 in a 70 zone. Hope you don't get caught. Then again you could always run and make an entertaining RUclips video of your arrest.
I'm 80 and love my SV1000S It's got no fancy electronics etc, not too heavy, sounds great, best bike I've ever had. Been riding 64 years. You can't convince me.
@@mencibenciI ride a 150 cc and overtaking anyone takes like 5 or 6 seconds, it is soo damn slow and sometimes too dangerous to even try to overtake, im saving up for a 24.1 Hp bike next year ill buy it and can’t wait tbh
@@mrmustache8735 anaheim/buena park area. I ride a custom built grey xt250, truthfully it's closer to 20 hp. If you ever see a guy pin going 75mph down the 5 freeway on a 250 it's me. Split traffic like a god and pin it at every light, go on the side walk of you have to.
.Exactly why I love my 08 Bandit 1250, it's tuned , full stage 2 Dale Walker Holeshot, 130hp/100 trq,Racetech up front, Nitron in the rear, EBC rotors and pads, Sargent heated seat, and even with the Renthal street fighter bars , I can ride all day. it's incredible fun in the twisties in the mountains and yet it's comfortable to ride on the freeway to get to those places or to travel on, and it accepts a top case to carry your extra clothes in on that trip. These types of bikes are just awesome all around fun bikes.
One of my employees just got his license, and while I’m super excited for him, he was dead set on getting a liter bike for his first. A bunch of us tried to talk him out of it, but he wouldn’t budge. I told him to look at some insurance quotes (he’s still 24) and that did the trick. He’s looking at 600cc super sports; still not ideal for a first, but should be significantly cheaper than a liter.
The problem is everytime I ride a literbike you can't actually enjoy it without breaking the law wayyyyy too easily! The power is addicting and fun, but sometimes I debate with myself about getting a 2nd smaller bike to wring out and enjoy, the XSR900/MT09 probably fit that category best because the XSR700/MT07 felt a little too underpowered for high speed riding but definitely the better in town bike and doing speed limits. But i'm also fat and kinda need power to some degree lol.
I'm 55 and ride a '22 Ducati MTS V4 PP. It's an absolute blast to back-road blast or drone along the highway with the electronic cruise engaged. I can do 4-5 hr rides, and just as the low-fuel light comes on, it's about the time to either end the ride or take a break to fuel-up - the bike and me. The PP may be a Multistrada, but for me it is a Multi-purpose bike - whether I'm doing errands around town, an afternoon of back-road blasting, or long-distance touring.
As a 58 yr old CBR1000RR rider I can say it’s not about the top end speed but it’s all about the drive. There’s nothing better and more dynamically pleasing than have a machine that allows for the fluidity of motion of a 1000cc bike combined with the safety of stratosferic limits b/c every experienced rider knows limits can be exceeded incredibly quickly even when traveling at legal road speeds.
Nah this is cope. There's hundreds of bikes that are just as maneuverable on the street without the uncomfortable riding position and crummy seat. If you want that bike, cool, but don't lie to yourself about why.
You’re not quite right. I have those as well. From an SMR to a street tourer to an ADV. Those are all 950cc or bigger b/c it’s about the dynamic of smooth and fluid motion.
I confess I don't watch all your videos, but the last time I recall the "Not for me" tag was, ironically, regarding the MT09. I just bought an 2024 MT09. I test-rode the MT10 and it's just not a street bike. I could easily have kept it in first gear the whole ride. I completely agree with this video.
Nah. The 500 just wasn’t cutting it so I snagged a ZX-11. I was enough, but way too heavy. Then bagged the Ducati 1098, it has plenty and is narrow and not too heavy. “Can’t approach the performance limits” IMO, I’m 62 and it is definitely better to have more than you need than to be left wanting more.
I got to admit, this is a very fair and honest assessment about riding litre bikes. As a person that owns both a 2023 s1000RR and a 2024 R1M, I can say that they're not the best daily bikes. The s1000rr is by far WAY more comfortable, but at times I do miss my Duke 890r
im 58 damaged knee, wrist etc from bike accident. gsx-s1000gt works for me. as you get older, a windscreen gives you more riding days. I've tried 600's etc and to get decent torque, you have to thrash them (or so it feels). if you do highway miles... you need something to get around slow verhicles... so... a 1000cc bike that has torque lower in the rev range (I rarely do 6k revs.). I dont need the thrash it but when I want to... I got lotsa fun. different strokes for different folks. I dont ride it like a superbike and I dont see it as that. just a comfy capable fun machine.
Torque. +1 Keep, our eyes on electric. For me electric bikes (Zero) are already where I want them. But I see how price and range can be a no-go for others. They are improving year by year, so worth watching. And when it comes to torque … lovely. Not just max torque, but how torque is delivered from 0 rpm and unfolds like a charm.
I’m 29 and I just started riding 2 months ago. Got a BMW G310GS. I crunched the numbers before I bought it, and 2,000 miles in the first two months has shown me that it’s more than enough to do most things.
You're speaking my language, man! I've come to the same conclusion. I have a '23 MT09SP with ~12,000 miles on it after backing down from an R1 -> FZ1 -> MT09. Never looking back (though I might get an MT10SP at some point) Glad to see a rider whose opinion I generally respect coming to the same conclusions
In the US, it’s the goal of acquiring the fast cool bike regardless of the experience needed on the road to assess the bs that most commuters have been seeing for decades. 16-22 aren’t usually to going to grasp the road knowledge of the day to day grind of reality. We have 18 wheelers that appear to be invisible to those on the road yet, new riders expecting they’d be noticed on a missile traveling 20+ over their own speed. The legality doesn’t matter unless you’re a martyr for your family or, don’t mind being feed through a tube for the rest of your life.
Most people on 1000cc bikes are terrible riders with inflated egos? Sounds like a comment from someone with inferiority complex and a thin wallet. Define terrible riders and type of bike? My observation is the riders on small displacement sport bikes that ride on street are younger and ride in a much riskier manner. That does not make them better riders. IMO sport bikes on street are inherently dumb because as they embolden riders to ride like they are on the track. The statistics on fatality rates of sport bike riders as compared to other types proves that out.
@@kannermw My wallet is far from thin lmfao. All I'm saying is most people get them before they have the proper experience. Funny how butthurt you got🤣
@@BKallday503 I assure you I'm in no way butthurt and your absurd generalizations are far worse then mine. Most young riders cannot afford new liter bikes let alone the high insurance costs. That aside a 1 liter supersport is a stupid buy for the street because it appeals to those younger individuals and others with limited self-discipline. For that matter majority of the sport bike riders regardless of displacement I encounter are frequently travelling at warp speed well above posted limit. It is apparently the only way to get them from point a to point b with minimal suffering. They are in essence horribly impractical for legal and prudent street usage. A liter adv or sport-touring bike without the absurd high rev, top-end power of super sport gives twist the grip acceleration and exhilaration without need to lose your license or your life.
Dude Yammie Noob, you hit every point on the head. Everyone new to motorcycles or considering getting on two wheels need to watch this video. I remember test riding a 1000 for the first time when I was 26. It was an MV Agusta F41000. I remember getting off of the bike after I was done breaking every speed limit there was (and that was just in second gear) saying to myself “dam that is WAAAAY too much power for the street. Today I’m 45 and still have my gixxer 750 and considering buying my first taste of dirt in an ADV middleweight. The performance in the class is more than respectable, insurance is cheaper, and the bike has much more utility for me. For instance I like to mountain creek fish. A T7 would just be the most epic motorcycle for me at this stage in my life now that I’m 45. I’ll never sell my gixxer 750 though. 😁
why would you correlate middleweight to CC when the weight and power of the bike determine that far more? and feel free to check the weight and power of the MT09 vs a 636 or CBR600RR, it definitely is middleweight .
Honestly, the bike I had the most fun riding was the first of my two DRZ-400S's. Riding that on the backroads with the full FMF titanium exhaust and the Dynojet carb jetting kit, gave me the biggest smile. Granted it was not great for the highway at 36-38hp with the pipe/jet kit, but it was a blast to ride on the backroads and not have to worry about the horrible roads here in NY.
I'm 56. Ive been riding since i was a teenager. While i loved my GSXR 1000 I now own 2 Kawasaki ZX6R 636's. One has stock gearing and one setup for stunting with a sprocket set. While not as fast as the GSXR it's a ton of fun to thrash the 636 to the limits. The acceleration with the spocket set is mind blowing and you can throw it around like like a lightweight BMX. Also recently added a Harley Dyna with stage 2 kit to the garage and find myserlf enjoying it more than I thought i would. The torque is beastly.
I bought a brand new FZ-09 in 2014 as my first bike, and I was 44 at that time. I'm 55 now, and I've been riding a 220 hp Streetfighter V4S since 202. You cwn totally get used to the power and frankly need it. I commute on my Streetfighter and find it quite easy. It does turn you a bit hooligan, but if you want to put it around, it's happy to do so.
The GSXR 750 is a great middle ground. Sadly they refuse to update even the dash, but even still it's a great middle option. If the R9 comes around with something similar, that'd be another bowl of porridge that's just right.
49 years old and own a 1000 Ninja SX. I was just thinking yesterday, how glad I was that I got the 1000. On the highway, its fun to twist the throttle and jump from 60 to 95 to weave around some slow traffic. Its also fun when getting on the highway that this thing can scare me. I absolutely love it, and I remember plenty of times on my 600 I wanted more. I would have it wide open and it just didn't have enough grunt like my 1000 does, now I don't have that same feeling with a 1000 this is plenty. Looking at the BMW next or an H2, not smaller.
"there's nothing sadder than locking a beast in a cage" case in point, my neighbour owns a panigale v4s and he can't even change the stock exhaust for a custom one because they're all full systems unhomologated for the road use
I wanted an mt07 but on the showroom floor I caved to a 790 duke instead. It just had more power and a better price. It's super fun but I wonder now that I'm approaching 4000 miles if I made a mistake. Super worried about maintenance.
@@ellwoodwolfif you think it’s about the suspension then you’re missing the point. You or anyone else isn’t able to push the limits of suspension on the road without being a street squid. Track is a different story. A motor is what makes a bike so great in the streets, the heart of a bike.
100% agree on all points - absolute truth. 57 and riding 2017 SV650, ride very twisty road, ride the lead anytime I want, the super bikes follow, when you know and you have high skill level - something like the SV is right where it’s at
Would never suggest it, but the very first bike I got on and learned to ride was a 2001 gsxr 1000. I can't go lower than 750, anything else feels like a small toy. I was very comfortable on the gixxer even at 6'3". Sitting upright or in an armchair position just isn't comfortable for me. I totally get what yammie is saying and it makes sense, but I love what I love
Legally speaking, there is no point in owning anything other than a 400/500cc bike. Unless you're going to the track there is no way to legally and safely enjoy anything over 70mph.
Worth pointing out that this assertion only applies to sport bikes. ADV and touring bikes most certainly can make use of that extra power, but admittedly only under very specific circumstances like riding two up and with a lot of luggage.
No one rides bikes and cares about speed limits and the law, let's be serious here, if you were that law abiding you wouldn't buy a motorcycle, you'd ride a scooter, moped.
@@Jawa_Joose you’re correct about 70 or so is legal. The problem is today’s performance motorcycles are so very good that 70 mph is at best a slow walking pace. In my late 70s I try to be a law abiding citizen. Problem is I go into what I call airplane mode. Watching the countryside go by and sweeping through the curves. Next thing I know is I have not been watching the speedometer and have started cruising in the fun zone. On my little MT09 the fun zone starts at 80 plus mph and you don’t notice your speed on it until you are over 90 plus mph. You would notice speed 20 mph earlier before I installed a great and effective windscreen. Bottom line is if you’re a good and relaxed rider familiar with speed, it means hawking the speedometer or you will speed!!
@@fs5866 speak for yourself. I don't need to drive like a maniac to enjoy myself on a motorcycle, and most other riders I see on the road don't either. The speed freaks give everyone else a bad name because they have poor impulse control, in my opinion. Speed is for the track, not public shared roads.
Yammie, when are you gonna upgrade your cameras dude, why in the hell would "bikes & bangs" an 8k subscribers channels have way better video quality than you? dude like the difference is like coming back to a black & white picture, your videos look like I'm looking at a 90's tv.🤦
All those alpha males bragging about their superbikes can keep them, they obviously feel they need to prove something. Personally I have two motorcycles, a CB500X which is the best touring bike that I’ve ever owned and a Voge 300 Rally which makes me smile every time I ride it. I live in the real world where anything more powerful is simply frustrating. I’m sure that a lot of your viewers will still believe that bigger and more powerful is better but I’m here telling them they’re wrong.
After 20 years of naked bikes (we called them street fighters when I was just starting out) I just got into adventure bikes and I’m loving it. It’s nice to have lots of options and be able to explore different styles of bikes and different riding styles.
I’ve been licensed 43 yrs & had 39 bikes across all styles even 1800 cruisers. I’m with you here big time. I have 4 old bikes now & the 600 & 650 are the sweet spots. Riding a slow bike fast is way better than a fast bike slow & let’s face it ..we spend a lot of our lives in traffic & they are almost free re maintenance etc as I do everything
So, I'm 33yo. My first bike was Dominar 400 (it's like cheap duke 390), and my feelings about that thing was pretty controversial. It's like promo version of motorcycling. You can drive that thing with joy till 120-130kmh and then it's start vibrating instead of acceleration. And I decided to go with Tracer MT09, because of all great reviews, that cp3 engine, electronics and other stuff. 3 days ago I just came from my first big tour over 3200km in 9 days (about 2000miles) and this thing is awesome. The speed of that thing just mind-blowing every ride. It can go through traffic, it can tour, it can also go on the track (if you want so). I really appreciate that higher mid class of modern bikes. At the same time I feel like even 850cc 115hp is more than enough in big city traffic.
Thank you for your advice. I am a beginner rider who--a few days ago--bought his first Ninja 300! Thanks to your advice, I bought a used one for $4,300 (total costs) at a local dealership in Miami. Thanks again!!!!!!!!
Im 58 and have been Riding since I was 11 & I very recently traded in my Concours 14 in for the 24 Ninja 1000sx. I have, most of my days, been on Sport Touring Bikes and I kind of did what you described, Yammy, and I can tell you that the N1K is simply perfect for my Riding style. Its just as fast as the C14, ergos are almost Identical, quick shifter & cruise control is astounding, but the Deal breaker is the 180lbs less weight and way better handling. I do just about everything on my Bikes, twistys, cruising and cross Country Touring.....the N1K is THE Bike for me!
I'm 41, I'll never be tired of my three R1's. I do have a honda navi as a daily ride and a kia picanto for when it rains. But I think it's all mindset, different strokes for different folks. I'm considering letting one go for an mt 09 sp , but I forever love a litre bike for what it is and isn't.
34, 14 years experience, currently own Dyna, CB919, had Turbo ZRX1100, had 92 GSXR1100. I don't think anyone needs or doesn't need a litrebike more than any other sort of bike, but I do appreciate the reliability of an under-stressed machine, the feeling of a heavier bike (to an extent) in the knees and bars, and yes, the ability to slap a turbo on it and meet the infinite horizon. I've come to appreciate smaller bikes more and I fully appreciate that most machines will out-perform me, but there's something about big displacement bikes since the speed wars that just works for me. I think some of the ammenities of a literbike are more like a scientifically developed cruiser bike; the posture is incredibly ergonomic, it's got a fairing that doesn't look awful, you can cover incredible distance. We can get lunch in the next state and be back for dinner. Highly specific purpose, not for everyone. Awful at a scooter's job: anything below 30 is below it's operating range.
10 years does not seem very long to me (I have been riding for 40+ years), but you have packed a lot into those 10 years. My first 10 years were spent on tiny 2 stroke singles, thanks to graduated licensing and capacity restrictions (age 16 restricted to 50cc, age 18 restricted to 125cc/150cc). I rode a litre bike (Honda CBX1000) for the first time in my 10th year of riding on the road and it was both exhilarating and terrifying. Modern litre bikes are both even less practical and at the same time (thanks to electronics, lower weight, modern frames, suspension and tires) not as intimidating when ridden at legal street speeds.
Went from a R3 to a R6 after riding the R3 for about 3 years, and the power the R6 has is more than enough for me. Having it for over a year now, I never felt the point in upgrading into a R1 outside of just how amazing the crossplane motor sounds. If I were ever to get another bike that's more than the R6, I would probably look at a slightly older V2.
Great vlog! I just switched from having two Street Triples which were great bikes but my last 765 R gave me tons of neck pain from the riding position. I just turned 60 and got a new leftover MV Agusta Turismo Veloce Rosso 800 Sports Tourer and riding is pain free now and much more fun. It’s plenty fast and I honestly can’t see going above say 130 bhp for street riding.
Have been riding a 2006 ZX10r since it was new, and I still can ride it cross country. I am 43, and I got a 750 vulcan this year, so I could take my son for rides. I still find the ZX10r to be more comfortable for me. This is why everyone should more than one bike.
I have owned a number of 1000cc plus super bikes and no longer want to have another. My last purchase is a 2024 Suzuki GSX-8S and it fits my needs better than any of my past 1000cc+ bikes.
Yammi nube!!! I'm 49 years old and this last episode, when you were explaining on riding 1000 compared to 600s. My man 10 years ago I swear to u that I had the same discussion with my younger riding buddies. I did bunch of racing up to about 38yrs old. Had the first year r1 when it came out, before that many 600s and 750s. I always enjoyed ringing the shit out of 600 on track or street, but you can never just burry the throttle on a 1000. (Given it was the 2000s not tc ect.)
Recently picked up a 2016 FJ-09 in immaculate condition. I have a ZX6R. I can only ride it for an hour and a half before my right arm and shoulder wants to fall off. With the FJ-09. I can do a 200 mile run and it's fun. I'm still keeping the ZX6R it's my race horse.
This is it guys, he’s starting to slowly transition into a cruiser rider
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oldman yammie gonna change name to harley noob in his 50s
Yammie, “I’m sorry I said the V4 is better.” 😂😂😂
NO WAY BROTHER
The harely skits are going to become real soon
I'm 70yrs old, I have a 2016 Kawasaki ZX10R that I've put 140,000 km on ... taken it to the track tens of times ... it rocks.
I also have a 2020 Triumph Street Triple 765 RS that I've riden 60,000 km and taken to the track tens of times.
The verdict ... I can ride the Street Triple faster, but the ZX10R is my favorite ... it's a mind bending experience ... eats tires and you have to treat it with respect ... cheers 🎉🎉
Yes, people that never had a superbike don't know that even if the numbers don't show it, it really feels like it has 10x the power of a naked bike, for some reason, I don't know, maybe the position, maybe the brakes, it just feels like a rocketship.
Living the dream my dude.
I'm 64 and have been riding all bike bicycles pro skier and windsurfing too. It more fun to be able to push the bike to its limit. I can burn through a set of tires every month on any bike I have . My 29 HP Honda CRF 250 is just has fun has my KTM 690 Duke R that's under 300 pounds.
I just ride for fun and I don't mind 150cc or 1000cc
Boss what you do for living??? Riding bikes ??
Yea ... agreed, when you get a superbike wide open, feels like yer on top of a nuclear reactor with a monkey down below pulling control rods as fast as he can ... you have to experience it to believe it ... cheers 🎉🎉 @@aao331
'' I'm getting older - I'm 32 this year'' From the perspective of a 59 yo you're in youre prime son, worry about getting older when you're 50.
Average male age Texas 79. 50 is twilight years bud.
I’m 19 and I can already see myself on my deathbed with a million regrets. That is if I don’t get dementia, Alzheimer’s, schizophrenia, etc.. from smoking thc vapes and weed.
32 is old? I was club racing and doing trackdays at that age. I’m 48 and still do trackdays and maybe a club race here and there.
I am 62 and love my SV650.. can’t wait till I get my MT-09SP…
56, Street Triple. Occasionally a few extra horses might be nice, but that's a rare event. It's plenty for me
It's so cool to read all the comments of all the senior riders with supersports and superbikes, it's so inspiring because it confirms that you can't explain passion. Passion is blind and life is too short to not enjoy what makes your heart beat faster and turns your face into a big big smile. Thank you guys, I wish I will be cool as you when I become older!
in a fortnine video a while back there was a old man, when he asked the man what he does to stay young he said "ride motorcycles" 😁
@@carpelunam I am sure it's true! ahah
@@MrWinterblade supersport is good to free your mind. There is no time to think about bad things in life.
I'm 56 and ride a Ducati Panigale V2. Complain about how sore I am every time I get off it, but the experience while i'm on it it is worth the pain. My wife thinks I'm a moron for doing it and she's probably right.
I am glad you are disregarding your wife’s thoughts. 😅
Im the same but with a Gixxer
Just bought a Ducati supersport 950s (I’m 61) it’s the bike for me, no more sore knees or bad back I’m loving it 😊
Ducati is definitely cheaper than the Wife!!! 🤔🤏🏼🤣💯
Me too, love my V2 Panagale, but I'm 63 and I'm never sore. Love it to bits. Guess I'm lucky. Never gonna sell it.Something for the grandkids. OMG , Yammie, you're pretty much half my age! All my kids are older than you
68 yrs old - been riding since I was 12. Currently enjoying a 2003 R1150 RT. It and I am perfectly happy between 55-65 mph. The older you get, the more you enjoy torque over hp. I won’t spend more than $2500 on a bike anymore. Liability coverage only - $70/yr when you are old!
😂41 I got a gsxr 600 and an r3 insurance is 86/year I love it I will not get a liter bike
Yammie is gonna come back in 2 years coming out as a Harley rider
I agree 😂😂😂😂
Indian rider 😂👍🏻
He probably would have, but they went woke so probably not now.
Sure, just to push out even more nonsense videos every day to get more and more money from the views.
Drinking Bud Light and riding his new Harley
Owned 2 BUSA'S IN MY 60'S.. 72 now and just got 2024 Tracer 900 GT PLUS My body is grateful
I think you are finally seeing the point of the ZX4RR. A pocket rocket that you can actually enjoy everyday.
Tell me more. 😊
Best bike ❤ i hope i can get my hands on one soon. Phucking sold out everywhere
Spending that much money to be so slow and uncomfortable is beyond me
I test rode one and i was amazed that it had nearly 80hp felt more like 50
@@James-ze3vt that's how I feel about my mower. Grass steals the power!
You are getting older - and wiser. How fast your RUclipsr kids grow up 😂. My son’s first bike at 16 was a Buell 1200. 2nd bike at 18 was a Ninja 1000. He’s 31 now living in Austria and just bought a GSX 8R (776cc). He loves it.
Grow up? Fast? He nearly killed someone and didn't learn from it. It took him over a decade of riding to realize motorcycles are about more than HP and suspension, he's a SQUID through and through.
@@OldManShoutsAtClouds who nearly killed someone?
@@rockinrodlittle the owner of this channel, i assume.
when you and your friends are all riding around on old slow crappy bikes are the days you'll have the most fun
Facts
He makes a valid point.. personally I don't see the point of having a super bike if you're not going to get it on the track. You can't fully use it unless you're always breaking the law...
Yea but getting 45mpg going 85-90 is so sweet when you have a 20 mile highway drive to work lol. The idea of not having something because you’re not going to push it to its limit is played out and ignorant. How often do you redline your car or turn your oven all the way to the max temperature or turn your water faucet on full blast
Hmmm good points @@jockwithajoystick
@@jockwithajoystickI could buy that argument, if smaller bikes didn’t also go 90+, but they do. This entire premise of “how often do you redline your car” isn’t a thing, honestly, because either you use your car for actual travel, or you have a sports car that you do redline, and get the ticket eventually. Or, you’re just showing off. As for the oven- the typical oven goes to 500-550, and it’s used quite often for actual baking. A higher temp oven is bought specifically for stuff like pizza, so there’s that. I own a hayavusa, and honestly it’s just a vanity purchase. Absolutely no way around that, or to otherwise justify it. I had a bunch of money bburnjng a hole in my pocket, and wanted one. That’s it. No logical argument.
@@thetowndrunk988 especially since the 600's are almost as quick to 100.. weight would be another argument but thats not a ton different either..
Bingo. Become a super fast rebel 😎
I think I get what you mean, but more from a car point of view. I owned a '93 Rx7 a few years back, and now I own a '22 Supra 3.0. Not hypercars or anything, but both pretty fast, especially after a few mods.
When my Rx7 was in the shop, a friend let me borrow his '91 Miata for a week. I can honestly say that despite the lack of power, that little Miata was a ton of fun. There's something about being able to push a car to its limits, but not be too worried about wrapping yourself around a tree.
Oh, for sure.....
I spent many $$$ trying to get my RX-7 to handle and stop and "feel" like a well sorted sportscar. After 10 years on the build, my widebody, TII swapped first gen was a pretty capable machine. Then I drove a mostly stock Miata and really felt like I had wasted my time. I wasn't in love with the engine, but the chassis and suspension felt telepathic and impossible to have been attached to such a cheap and available car.
I went from a 1JZ Cressida to a Honda EP3. Down some odd 200 hp, but much more fun to drive
Yup for this reason I daily a 2zz 6spd Corolla. I have my big turbo Falcon for days I’m feeling a bit naughty
Its the same concept but the 1000cc supersport bikes are insanely fast, the 600cc bikes are quite fast too lol
It’s like going from an rx7 to a mclaren f1
Been riding 24 years. 75hp Monster 797 and I keep up with the big boys in the twisties just fine. Its a public road. Great video as always.
I believe ducatti monster is the most versatile platform in a lot of ways
I got a 2002 Monster 620. Ducati’s air/oil cooled, 2 valve Desmo, “L twin” motors have so much character and also look fantastic in my super biased opinion
ducati supersport 950 driver here.... a lot like the monster. daily rider. good stuff.
100% agree with this video. I’m young and dumb (20) and owned a R1 for a year. I sold it for a DRZ400 instead and I have twice as fun on the drz. Any chance I’d get I’d rip open the throttle on the R1, pull wheelies past cars and just a bunch of hooligan stuff where eventually something would bound to go wrong (keep in mind all of my financials were invested in this bike too). Also in the twisties I was never using the bike to its full potential. With the drz I can thrash it, stunt it, ring its neck out without worrying about looping because parts are cheap and it’s easy to fix and no speeding tickets.
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I'm 50, and a 500 is enough for me. It's safe in bad English weather, yet you can have a bit of fun on the back roads in summer.
it's more engaging using all your rpms through more than one gear - without going double or triple the speed of every other vehicle around
I ride a KTM SuperDuke 1290r and live in Ireland. It’s really so miserable with the rain I’ve been only able to clock 12,300km with my 2 year ownership. I feel like a 690 smcr or a super Moto will be more useable especially with the shitty bumpy roads in Ireland.
@@luckyleo88 How is the heat on that superduke?
@luckyleo88 My problem is I commute, snd start work at 5.30am so have to set off really early, in January. I dont want power. It is terrifying some morning when the wind and 🌧, or in winter with the ice. Its 40 mph tops some days.
@deeper1345 Because I commute ,I have to buy a bike to suit that and all weathers. Winter etc. Somedays I am the worlds slowest rider.
I enjoyed this. I've never owned a litre bike. Never wanted one. Currently I ride a CB650F inline 4 and a CRF300L, both slightly modified for performance. The cb650f doesn't compare to a litre supersport, but what you say is still relevant, as I find I have more 'fun' on the 300L. It's just not serious, and you find yourself goofing off taking full advantage of it's incredible flickability. I'm 74 and maybe that influences my viewpoint, but I find the joy in riding is mostly in the visceral nature of being in the elements, feeling your connection to the road, and working the gears and throttle, etc. All of that is increased on a lightweight small bore bike.
I got a 300l and 1000rr and I love my 1000rr for twisty roads and my 300l on the trails
Honestly, I've owned and ridden all sorts. Several 1,000cc bikes included. I've also ridden the Street Triple. And for most situations, that's ALL the bike you need for the road. Good riding position, the engine is superb as is the handling. Plus you stand a chance of keeping your licence.
The power of a 1000 comes in great for when you want to sit back and enjoy the ride. Click it up into 6th, and still have plenty of power without downshifting, or buzzing the motor at higher rpms.
That's also what a 650cc V2 will do.
I've had a r1, my mt07 honestly feels like it has similar torque at lower rpm and it is actually comfortable to ride.
I'm 25 and ride a 2007 Fireblade and I'm totally in love with it. Bought it with 44K kilometers (or 30K something miles) on the clock and it's everything you'll ever desire for a motorcyle in terms of performance.
If you're somehow in the grass with it however, it's like bambi, and wet conditions suddenly require you to have the subtle hand control of a pro violin player, but seeing that beast of a machine glistening in the sun on a calm day makes it all worth it.
A motorcycle is something you buy with your heart, not with your head
im going to buy the kawasaki zx14r as my first bike then. Because wow that bike nice
@@mikay971what insurance quote price range have you had?
@@Google_Does_Evil_Now It was a joke, he said a motorcycle is something you buy with your heart, not with your head. I can cover the insurance costs btw. Do not need to matter lol
@@mikay971 I've been not quoted and I've had £5,000+ quotes. Was curious how much a new rider was quoted.
I've a licence over 15 years but not ridden for a few years so I don't have any NCB at present.
Man I miss my 04 blade, but it was big by today's standards
Give it another decade Yammie, you'll be squeezing your beer gut onto a Harley cruiser
Yes. Guzzi, RE and Triumph are finally getting you.
I love this.
I love this.
He's gonna end up on the semi-sports he hates so much.
paid by 300 to 650 cc mafias of the market😂
Got myself a 2024 mt07 (my first bike) yesterday and put 80 miles on it. Can't wait to break it in. It's unreal looking outside and seeing a motorcycle parked out front.
Fucking awesome feeling!😊
@@He_isI it definitely is 😊
Congrats! I remember when I got my trident 660 2 years ago. Stay safe have fun!
@@eagle3yez will do, bro. Thanks!
Stay safe and take your time before going crazy! Your gonna love it
I think 120hp to 140hp with torque 77-82lbs/ft is the sweet spot for road riding. Can also deal with two up riding decently without sacrificing too much. As a bigger guy with a long inseam, todays top mid rage bikes, MT09, Duke990, Street765, basically have that power, I find them small for my size, So I gravitate towards the Superduke and MT10. I'll never use their full potential, but they do handle very well for their size, are comfortable, sound great and can give you a rush that the mids simply can't. Remember, motorcycling was never about sensibility, its about passion, and because you can.
I wonder if bikes like superduke and MT10 still consume that much tires as other liter bikes in lower power settings?
@@bosk1n I've had a Superduke, Tuono, Speed Triple and they eat up sport tires. Going forward I would def put ST tires on, better in rain and cold weather as well. And quite frankly, even my spirited riding is not fast enough to warrant pure sport tires on the street.
I'm turning 60 soon. Just bought a used V4 tuono factory. I frickin love it and do use it to get a loaf of bread as well as chase canyons. It's light and nimble. My prior bike was an RC 390, the transition was ez.
I have a TV4 as well. It’s almost perfect but it runs too hot around town. So I also have a street triple 765 RS. Perfect combo
Both epic bikes. Owned both. Enjoy!!
Capacity is NOT a requirement to have fun on a bike, I have ridden so many machines, I am 63 and spent half my life working in the bike industry, many track days, many super sport machines ( which I agree, were too fast for the road, even 25years ago ) and the most memorable was Silverstone with California Superbike School, I rode R6/R1 etc, but the most fun, by a mile was the XJR1300SP, a torquey ‘sofa’ of a bike, maybe 75 BHP down on the R1, but my memories of riding beyond the machines capabilities, the slides, the crossed up corner entries, grinding away the ‘undercarriage’, hanging off to get it around corners… what fun for me. The R1 was much more machine, than I was rider, and I am cool with that, now owned a T7 for 4 years, could not be happier !
Got my first bike when my dad passed. Got his vulcan 1500 learned on that, bought a duke 690. Learned more stuff in that, treaded that in for a 23 mt 09. Lo e that bike. I'll hit 20k miles in less than a year on that bad boy. I ride 180ish mile round trip daily to work in LA...so nice
64 this year, I've put 40,000miles on my MT10 and absolutely love it!! Set it up as a sport tourer with cat delete, ecu flash, 2 teeth down on the rear sprocket, bar backs for a more upright seating position, aftermarket seat, heated grips and hand guards and of course a front fairing..
160 horse and power wheelies all day..!!.. love it..
I have a CB1000R, technically a liter bike, but it’s so torquey that you can go from 25-125mph in 6th gear its a blast and you don’t have to go crazy fast on it.
You can on any bike you just shouldn’t
A liter bike that has been passed by, he's talking about 200 hp liter bikes , not 125 hp liter bikes of the past.
The points you bring up are completely right and relatable. I'm nearly 60 and when I was younger the Suzuki GSX-R 1000 was the halo bike but most opted for lower cc like a 750 or 600. They could still tear it up. But today we are awash in choice of fantastic bikes. I don't need an overpowered anymore. My choice is the Honda NX 500. Perfect for my aging body and very capable.
Glad to see younger riders like yourself highlight these points. The MT 09 is a a all the bike anyone could ask for.
Great channel!
Cheers from Nova Scotia!
I’ve been riding many different superbikes for nearly 40 years now and have finally realised that my two current superbikes in the 1000cc category are just not practical for the road much as I love them both. One in particular is north of 150bhp/400lbs and is just not happy unless it’s well beyond 100mph. It just feels like a unleashed monster that is constantly being held back. So now I’m north of 60 I’m selling my two superbikes and going back to my roots and getting a lightweight adventure bike in small/ mid category of about 50+ hp which is more than enough in the real world.
From all of us who came b 4, we like your enthusiam. 2162 knows what I mean ! We chased 4 the moon ! it got to the point where we self reported super fast speeds were beyond imagination and now just so ho ho among the fast boys ! Thanks for keeping us updated !
Superbikes are magic on the track. But on the street, other choices make WAY more sense. I have owned six 1,000cc Superbikes, as well as a number of supersports and other sport bikes. My current street bike is a '24 390 Duke. I love it. If you can ride, a small bike like this is a hoot if you can keep up with or leave your riding partners on their much more powerful bikes on twisty roads. Now if you are out on the super slab, on a nice day, in an area with good long distance visibility, the big bikes are king, but most of "what is best" or "most fun" depends dramatically upon where you live due to differences in geography, road conditions, visibility, weather, etc.
Got a late model Z900 and live in the mountain twisties, so perfect for where I live. Had plenty of fun on a 160 moped in Thailand zipping around Phuket and Northern Thailand. If you can ride, smaller bikes are fine at times …
I got smoked by a kid on an rc390 at Phillip island. Insane corner speed
I started on a Suzuki RF900 went to a KLR 650, awesome bike. K5 gsxr1000 for several years, absolute animal amazing machine. Hung it up for a decade now I'm almost 40 and I just bought an 02 VFR 800 to get back on two and oh man am I glad I did. For me it's perfection. Love the content Yam!!
I have an R6 race bike, I've owned Super Dukes, S1000RR's, Tuono's, and I currently own a Streetfighter V4S. All of these bikes are fantastic. I recently bought a '24 Moto Guzzi Stelvio (ADV touring bike) and I have ridden it exclusively since I got it home. I can go waaaay too fast on it on the road, it's super comfy, has storage, long service intervals... I think I'm a convert. Sport touring, slow bike fast is the way.
Yes. Consider the Triumph Tiger Sport 660 for, in my opinion, the best sub-$10k middleweight sport tourer. The perfect balance of fun and sporty with versatile and practical, plus an incredible value.
Gen 3 SuperDuke owner here. As much as I love the power of the bike…I’m inclined to go down either with a KTM 690 smcr or duc hypermotard…I barely can use gear 5 & 6 on the Irish roads…can’t go too fast here as the roads are bumpy and lots of pot holes…
Sounds a lot like myself. I had a break from riding for about 5 years after my last bike got stolen and recently bought an F750GS. Very different from any of my previous bikes, but sooo much less stressful on the road. Plenty of grunt for a bit of fun in the hills, but super relaxed for getting there.
After over 20 years of not riding a street bike, just dirt bikes, I started back up on the 21 MT-09, and loved it. The only thing for me was the flighty front end. I moved up to the 23 MT-10 and really love it. Very stable, but still wheelie happy.
I have a 2023 XSR700 and I love it because it has enough torque and hp to have fun but not enough to end up in a ditch on first gear
100% Agree. 2024 XSR700, plenty of bike to get me to the twisties, and once in them soooo much fun!
Been there done that, been riding 35 years, I've owned a dozen bikes or more including fzr1k, rf900r,zx6 etc I'm 52 and ride an upgraded sportster these days. I put hammer 1275 kit in it and nice shocks. I love it dude. Don't care what anyone thinks of it either. It makes me happy!
I'm 47 and ride a ZX-6R and have done for a fair few years now and have never thought I need another 100bhp, i've known people give up bikes after jumping on a litre bike and scared the c*** out of themselves and just noped out of bikes forever...
all I can say is ride what you love and accept that not all of us love the same type of bikes... (looking at you hardley riders)...
They ARE that fun to ride. They’re not only fast, but also light and nimble. Perfect for the street, everyday use, and doing long distance in a short time. I’m 45 and I do long Europe trips on a K5. Still loving it
Thank you Yammie for this video. This message from you really helps pushing motorbikes to the mainstream. People with loud exhausts doesn't help fair laws for us nor acceptance. Trident 660 rider here. More than enough if we are talking about torque and power for street and road driving needs. Safety first, fun second, you know. Only 80hp but i can constantly see TC indicator blinking if i want beause grip in Spain summer roads isn't just enough. ABS tells the same story. And you want more? Economy, comfort, etc, all factors say the same. 60 to120 hp is the sweet spot. More is unavailable 99% of the time. I am not going to pay for the 1% remaining.
I had the Tiger Sport 660 and want another one. Same platform as your Trident. They truly are perfect bikes for long-term value and versatility.
Smaller and lighter bikes are easy to throw around and pop though the gears.
55 here on an 09 ZX6R. Had her since she was brand new. She has low sided at the track and in the mountains but she is currently healthy. Now at almost 45k miles, I still feel the same way as when I first met her. I’ve ridden 1000cc to 125cc but absolutely luv the middle weight inline four the most. ✌️
Motorcycles are fun. All the fun is between 40-80mph.
100-140 on my Max on the interstate. Thats were the fun for me is. 80 is maintaining traffic, speeds.
@@iamtheoffenderofall 😆
On my Voge the fun is usually between 5 and 50. It all depends on where you ride.
@@iamtheoffenderofallI can only imagine the fine for 140 in a 70 zone. Hope you don't get caught. Then again you could always run and make an entertaining RUclips video of your arrest.
I'm 80 and love my SV1000S
It's got no fancy electronics etc, not too heavy, sounds great, best bike I've ever had. Been riding 64 years. You can't convince me.
I ride everyday on 11hp and enjoy every km.
I remember starting on a 125cc and getting frustrated with it after a couple of weeks because I couldn’t overtake anyone :/
@mencibenci I'm on a 17 hp bike and I am always ahead of traffic bruther. I live in southern California hell traffic too. It's skills and planning
@@mencibenciI ride a 150 cc and overtaking anyone takes like 5 or 6 seconds, it is soo damn slow and sometimes too dangerous to even try to overtake, im saving up for a 24.1 Hp bike next year ill buy it and can’t wait tbh
@@BlackwaterAquatics bro how lol. what part of socal
@@mrmustache8735 anaheim/buena park area. I ride a custom built grey xt250, truthfully it's closer to 20 hp. If you ever see a guy pin going 75mph down the 5 freeway on a 250 it's me. Split traffic like a god and pin it at every light, go on the side walk of you have to.
.Exactly why I love my 08 Bandit 1250, it's tuned , full stage 2 Dale Walker Holeshot, 130hp/100 trq,Racetech up front, Nitron in the rear, EBC rotors and pads, Sargent heated seat, and even with the Renthal street fighter bars , I can ride all day. it's incredible fun in the twisties in the mountains and yet it's comfortable to ride on the freeway to get to those places or to travel on, and it accepts a top case to carry your extra clothes in on that trip. These types of bikes are just awesome all around fun bikes.
One of my employees just got his license, and while I’m super excited for him, he was dead set on getting a liter bike for his first. A bunch of us tried to talk him out of it, but he wouldn’t budge. I told him to look at some insurance quotes (he’s still 24) and that did the trick. He’s looking at 600cc super sports; still not ideal for a first, but should be significantly cheaper than a liter.
i did that too at 25, granted mine was 1100 but engine was an old vtwin so power was only like 70hp.
MT-09sp hits the sweet spot, plenty of power, light weight, city or hwy. 💯🔥🔥
The problem is everytime I ride a literbike you can't actually enjoy it without breaking the law wayyyyy too easily! The power is addicting and fun, but sometimes I debate with myself about getting a 2nd smaller bike to wring out and enjoy, the XSR900/MT09 probably fit that category best because the XSR700/MT07 felt a little too underpowered for high speed riding but definitely the better in town bike and doing speed limits. But i'm also fat and kinda need power to some degree lol.
I'm 55 and ride a '22 Ducati MTS V4 PP. It's an absolute blast to back-road blast or drone along the highway with the electronic cruise engaged. I can do 4-5 hr rides, and just as the low-fuel light comes on, it's about the time to either end the ride or take a break to fuel-up - the bike and me. The PP may be a Multistrada, but for me it is a Multi-purpose bike - whether I'm doing errands around town, an afternoon of back-road blasting, or long-distance touring.
As a 58 yr old CBR1000RR rider I can say it’s not about the top end speed but it’s all about the drive. There’s nothing better and more dynamically pleasing than have a machine that allows for the fluidity of motion of a 1000cc bike combined with the safety of stratosferic limits b/c every experienced rider knows limits can be exceeded incredibly quickly even when traveling at legal road speeds.
Nah this is cope. There's hundreds of bikes that are just as maneuverable on the street without the uncomfortable riding position and crummy seat.
If you want that bike, cool, but don't lie to yourself about why.
You’re not quite right. I have those as well. From an SMR to a street tourer to an ADV. Those are all 950cc or bigger b/c it’s about the dynamic of smooth and fluid motion.
All about the noise for me nothing beats the rsv4s sound
I confess I don't watch all your videos, but the last time I recall the "Not for me" tag was, ironically, regarding the MT09.
I just bought an 2024 MT09. I test-rode the MT10 and it's just not a street bike. I could easily have kept it in first gear the whole ride.
I completely agree with this video.
Nah. The 500 just wasn’t cutting it so I snagged a ZX-11. I was enough, but way too heavy. Then bagged the Ducati 1098, it has plenty and is narrow and not too heavy. “Can’t approach the performance limits” IMO, I’m 62 and it is definitely better to have more than you need than to be left wanting more.
I got to admit, this is a very fair and honest assessment about riding litre bikes. As a person that owns both a 2023 s1000RR and a 2024 R1M, I can say that they're not the best daily bikes. The s1000rr is by far WAY more comfortable, but at times I do miss my Duke 890r
im 58 damaged knee, wrist etc from bike accident. gsx-s1000gt works for me. as you get older, a windscreen gives you more riding days.
I've tried 600's etc and to get decent torque, you have to thrash them (or so it feels). if you do highway miles... you need something to get around slow verhicles...
so... a 1000cc bike that has torque lower in the rev range (I rarely do 6k revs.). I dont need the thrash it but when I want to... I got lotsa fun.
different strokes for different folks. I dont ride it like a superbike and I dont see it as that. just a comfy capable fun machine.
a 60-70hp bike easily gets around more than 90% of vehicles. and in traffic conditions any bike is faster than a car.
Torque. +1
Keep, our eyes on electric. For me electric bikes (Zero) are already where I want them. But I see how price and range can be a no-go for others. They are improving year by year, so worth watching.
And when it comes to torque … lovely. Not just max torque, but how torque is delivered from 0 rpm and unfolds like a charm.
I’m 29 and I just started riding 2 months ago. Got a BMW G310GS. I crunched the numbers before I bought it, and 2,000 miles in the first two months has shown me that it’s more than enough to do most things.
I'm 75 years old, riding a ZX-14r. Comfortable and my insurance lists it as a sport tourer.
Me also iam 44 and i can ride my 14 as long as my cruiser 14 is the best motercycle ever created
You're speaking my language, man! I've come to the same conclusion. I have a '23 MT09SP with ~12,000 miles on it after backing down from an R1 -> FZ1 -> MT09.
Never looking back (though I might get an MT10SP at some point)
Glad to see a rider whose opinion I generally respect coming to the same conclusions
What I’ve noticed is most people that end up on a 1000cc are terrible riders with inflated egos
In the US, it’s the goal of acquiring the fast cool bike regardless of the experience needed on the road to assess the bs that most commuters have been seeing for decades. 16-22 aren’t usually to going to grasp the road knowledge of the day to day grind of reality. We have 18 wheelers that appear to be invisible to those on the road yet, new riders expecting they’d be noticed on a missile traveling 20+ over their own speed.
The legality doesn’t matter unless you’re a martyr for your family or, don’t mind being feed through a tube for the rest of your life.
Most people on 1000cc bikes are terrible riders with inflated egos? Sounds like a comment from someone with inferiority complex and a thin wallet. Define terrible riders and type of bike? My observation is the riders on small displacement sport bikes that ride on street are younger and ride in a much riskier manner. That does not make them better riders.
IMO sport bikes on street are inherently dumb because as they embolden riders to ride like they are on the track. The statistics on fatality rates of sport bike riders as compared to other types proves that out.
@@kannermw My wallet is far from thin lmfao. All I'm saying is most people get them before they have the proper experience. Funny how butthurt you got🤣
@@BKallday503 I assure you I'm in no way butthurt and your absurd generalizations are far worse then mine. Most young riders cannot afford new liter bikes let alone the high insurance costs. That aside a 1 liter supersport is a stupid buy for the street because it appeals to those younger individuals and others with limited self-discipline. For that matter majority of the sport bike riders regardless of displacement I encounter are frequently travelling at warp speed well above posted limit. It is apparently the only way to get them from point a to point b with minimal suffering. They are in essence horribly impractical for legal and prudent street usage. A liter adv or sport-touring bike without the absurd high rev, top-end power of super sport gives twist the grip acceleration and exhilaration without need to lose your license or your life.
@@kannermwlol thin wallet 😂 a 2007 r1 is cheaper than my dune 390 2017. 1000ccs aint worth much
Will be 48 in October.. still riding super sports.. currently tuned 2023 SC77
Love every minute of it 👍
From Harley riders to track guys, the one thing I’ve heard the most is that everyone has fun on a grom
I rode a grom once once horribly under powered and slow
@@tonyvillani3794it’s not underpowered for what it is tho. Dumb comment
@@FuttBuckerByMutt sometimes the truth hurts
@@tonyvillani3794 that’s whole point of the bike tho
@@tonyvillani3794 I do have friends tho that ride so the group ride on them is fun
Dude Yammie Noob, you hit every point on the head. Everyone new to motorcycles or considering getting on two wheels need to watch this video. I remember test riding a 1000 for the first time when I was 26. It was an MV Agusta F41000. I remember getting off of the bike after I was done breaking every speed limit there was (and that was just in second gear) saying to myself “dam that is WAAAAY too much power for the street. Today I’m 45 and still have my gixxer 750 and considering buying my first taste of dirt in an ADV middleweight. The performance in the class is more than respectable, insurance is cheaper, and the bike has much more utility for me. For instance I like to mountain creek fish. A T7 would just be the most epic motorcycle for me at this stage in my life now that I’m 45. I’ll never sell my gixxer 750 though. 😁
Hey MT-09, anything bigger than a 650 is not a middleweight.
why would you correlate middleweight to CC when the weight and power of the bike determine that far more? and feel free to check the weight and power of the MT09 vs a 636 or CBR600RR, it definitely is middleweight .
Honestly, the bike I had the most fun riding was the first of my two DRZ-400S's. Riding that on the backroads with the full FMF titanium exhaust and the Dynojet carb jetting kit, gave me the biggest smile. Granted it was not great for the highway at 36-38hp with the pipe/jet kit, but it was a blast to ride on the backroads and not have to worry about the horrible roads here in NY.
"I've been riding a LONG time.. 10 Years!!" ~ Yammie NOOB lol
but if it was a doctor that went to school for 8 years you'd be saying he went to school for a LONG time
@@carpelunam He just reminded me of Star Wars - Episode 1. When little Anakin Skywalker at age 10 said he'd been a pilot "all my life" hahaha
I'm 56. Ive been riding since i was a teenager. While i loved my GSXR 1000 I now own 2 Kawasaki ZX6R 636's. One has stock gearing and one setup for stunting with a sprocket set. While not as fast as the GSXR it's a ton of fun to thrash the 636 to the limits. The acceleration with the spocket set is mind blowing and you can throw it around like like a lightweight BMX. Also recently added a Harley Dyna with stage 2 kit to the garage and find myserlf enjoying it more than I thought i would. The torque is beastly.
2017 kawi z900 = Perfect daily
*z900rs
I bought a brand new FZ-09 in 2014 as my first bike, and I was 44 at that time. I'm 55 now, and I've been riding a 220 hp Streetfighter V4S since 202. You cwn totally get used to the power and frankly need it. I commute on my Streetfighter and find it quite easy. It does turn you a bit hooligan, but if you want to put it around, it's happy to do so.
The GSXR 750 is a great middle ground. Sadly they refuse to update even the dash, but even still it's a great middle option. If the R9 comes around with something similar, that'd be another bowl of porridge that's just right.
Don't fix what isn't broken.
49 years old and own a 1000 Ninja SX. I was just thinking yesterday, how glad I was that I got the 1000. On the highway, its fun to twist the throttle and jump from 60 to 95 to weave around some slow traffic. Its also fun when getting on the highway that this thing can scare me. I absolutely love it, and I remember plenty of times on my 600 I wanted more. I would have it wide open and it just didn't have enough grunt like my 1000 does, now I don't have that same feeling with a 1000 this is plenty. Looking at the BMW next or an H2, not smaller.
"there's nothing sadder than locking a beast in a cage"
case in point, my neighbour owns a panigale v4s and he can't even change the stock exhaust for a custom one because they're all full systems unhomologated for the road use
If you are going to respect every single law out there then better buy a scooter.
I still hold that the MT07 is the PERFECT motorcycle.
R7 imo, but they’re basically the same bike
Far from it. The suspension blows.
I wanted an mt07 but on the showroom floor I caved to a 790 duke instead. It just had more power and a better price. It's super fun but I wonder now that I'm approaching 4000 miles if I made a mistake. Super worried about maintenance.
@@ellwoodwolfif you think it’s about the suspension then you’re missing the point. You or anyone else isn’t able to push the limits of suspension on the road without being a street squid. Track is a different story. A motor is what makes a bike so great in the streets, the heart of a bike.
I’d say the mt07 it’s the best bang for buck motorcycle on the market right now. A perfect motorcycle is far too subjective
100% agree on all points - absolute truth. 57 and riding 2017 SV650, ride very twisty road, ride the lead anytime I want, the super bikes follow, when you know and you have high skill level - something like the SV is right where it’s at
0:56 I thought everyone should start on a 1300cc bike ??
WTF IS A CC🦅🦅🇺🇸🇺🇸
Would never suggest it, but the very first bike I got on and learned to ride was a 2001 gsxr 1000. I can't go lower than 750, anything else feels like a small toy. I was very comfortable on the gixxer even at 6'3". Sitting upright or in an armchair position just isn't comfortable for me. I totally get what yammie is saying and it makes sense, but I love what I love
Legally speaking, there is no point in owning anything other than a 400/500cc bike. Unless you're going to the track there is no way to legally and safely enjoy anything over 70mph.
Worth pointing out that this assertion only applies to sport bikes. ADV and touring bikes most certainly can make use of that extra power, but admittedly only under very specific circumstances like riding two up and with a lot of luggage.
No one rides bikes and cares about speed limits and the law, let's be serious here, if you were that law abiding you wouldn't buy a motorcycle, you'd ride a scooter, moped.
@@derek96720not even adventure bikes would require more than 100hp or 100nm .. the contact patch that adv bikes have can't even make use of that.
@@Jawa_Joose you’re correct about 70 or so is legal. The problem is today’s performance motorcycles are so very good that 70 mph is at best a slow walking pace. In my late 70s I try to be a law abiding citizen. Problem is I go into what I call airplane mode. Watching the countryside go by and sweeping through the curves. Next thing I know is I have not been watching the speedometer and have started cruising in the fun zone. On my little MT09 the fun zone starts at 80 plus mph and you don’t notice your speed on it until you are over 90 plus mph. You would notice speed 20 mph earlier before I installed a great and effective windscreen.
Bottom line is if you’re a good and relaxed rider familiar with speed, it means hawking the speedometer or you will speed!!
@@fs5866 speak for yourself. I don't need to drive like a maniac to enjoy myself on a motorcycle, and most other riders I see on the road don't either. The speed freaks give everyone else a bad name because they have poor impulse control, in my opinion. Speed is for the track, not public shared roads.
Came back to sports bikes recently and tested a whole bunch. Ended up with a 600cc, they just make me smile in a way that litre bikes doesn't.
Yammie, when are you gonna upgrade your cameras dude, why in the hell would "bikes & bangs" an 8k subscribers channels have way better video quality than you? dude like the difference is like coming back to a black & white picture, your videos look like I'm looking at a 90's tv.🤦
Bro that's so true! I can see what you mean😂😂
@@Stoobyfamily bro right, the fk bro got millions of subs, and the video quality is shitty
I’m 59 and ride a ‘23 Ninja 1000SX. Absolutely love it! Comfy with plenty of power on tap.😊
All those alpha males bragging about their superbikes can keep them, they obviously feel they need to prove something. Personally I have two motorcycles, a CB500X which is the best touring bike that I’ve ever owned and a Voge 300 Rally which makes me smile every time I ride it. I live in the real world where anything more powerful is simply frustrating. I’m sure that a lot of your viewers will still believe that bigger and more powerful is better but I’m here telling them they’re wrong.
After 20 years of naked bikes (we called them street fighters when I was just starting out) I just got into adventure bikes and I’m loving it. It’s nice to have lots of options and be able to explore different styles of bikes and different riding styles.
I’ve been licensed 43 yrs & had 39 bikes across all styles even 1800 cruisers. I’m with you here big time. I have 4 old bikes now & the 600 & 650 are the sweet spots. Riding a slow bike fast is way better than a fast bike slow & let’s face it ..we spend a lot of our lives in traffic & they are almost free re maintenance etc as I do everything
The more I see these videos the more I want to try a 1000cc missile
So, I'm 33yo. My first bike was Dominar 400 (it's like cheap duke 390), and my feelings about that thing was pretty controversial. It's like promo version of motorcycling. You can drive that thing with joy till 120-130kmh and then it's start vibrating instead of acceleration. And I decided to go with Tracer MT09, because of all great reviews, that cp3 engine, electronics and other stuff. 3 days ago I just came from my first big tour over 3200km in 9 days (about 2000miles) and this thing is awesome. The speed of that thing just mind-blowing every ride. It can go through traffic, it can tour, it can also go on the track (if you want so). I really appreciate that higher mid class of modern bikes. At the same time I feel like even 850cc 115hp is more than enough in big city traffic.
It's a 17-minute video - I couldn't make it past 6:20. Yammeister - you're losing it.
Thank you for your advice. I am a beginner rider who--a few days ago--bought his first Ninja 300! Thanks to your advice, I bought a used one for $4,300 (total costs) at a local dealership in Miami. Thanks again!!!!!!!!
Im 58 and have been Riding since I was 11 & I very recently traded in my Concours 14 in for the 24 Ninja 1000sx. I have, most of my days, been on Sport Touring Bikes and I kind of did what you described, Yammy, and I can tell you that the N1K is simply perfect for my Riding style. Its just as fast as the C14, ergos are almost Identical, quick shifter & cruise control is astounding, but the Deal breaker is the 180lbs less weight and way better handling. I do just about everything on my Bikes, twistys, cruising and cross Country Touring.....the N1K is THE Bike for me!
I'm 41, I'll never be tired of my three R1's. I do have a honda navi as a daily ride and a kia picanto for when it rains. But I think it's all mindset, different strokes for different folks. I'm considering letting one go for an mt 09 sp , but I forever love a litre bike for what it is and isn't.
34, 14 years experience, currently own Dyna, CB919, had Turbo ZRX1100, had 92 GSXR1100. I don't think anyone needs or doesn't need a litrebike more than any other sort of bike, but I do appreciate the reliability of an under-stressed machine, the feeling of a heavier bike (to an extent) in the knees and bars, and yes, the ability to slap a turbo on it and meet the infinite horizon. I've come to appreciate smaller bikes more and I fully appreciate that most machines will out-perform me, but there's something about big displacement bikes since the speed wars that just works for me. I think some of the ammenities of a literbike are more like a scientifically developed cruiser bike; the posture is incredibly ergonomic, it's got a fairing that doesn't look awful, you can cover incredible distance. We can get lunch in the next state and be back for dinner. Highly specific purpose, not for everyone. Awful at a scooter's job: anything below 30 is below it's operating range.
10 years does not seem very long to me (I have been riding for 40+ years), but you have packed a lot into those 10 years. My first 10 years were spent on tiny 2 stroke singles, thanks to graduated licensing and capacity restrictions (age 16 restricted to 50cc, age 18 restricted to 125cc/150cc). I rode a litre bike (Honda CBX1000) for the first time in my 10th year of riding on the road and it was both exhilarating and terrifying. Modern litre bikes are both even less practical and at the same time (thanks to electronics, lower weight, modern frames, suspension and tires) not as intimidating when ridden at legal street speeds.
I started on Honda 250 in 90s - 929rr in 02 - R1 2009 - Honda 600rr 2016. Super happy with 600rr at age 50. Enough power for my age for sure.
69 here and duke 890r..just perfect I find..light as a feather, handles like a dream, and power when I need it...providing the cams hold up lol
Went from a R3 to a R6 after riding the R3 for about 3 years, and the power the R6 has is more than enough for me. Having it for over a year now, I never felt the point in upgrading into a R1 outside of just how amazing the crossplane motor sounds. If I were ever to get another bike that's more than the R6, I would probably look at a slightly older V2.
Great vlog! I just switched from having two Street Triples which were great bikes but my last 765 R gave me tons of neck pain from the riding position. I just turned 60 and got a new leftover MV Agusta Turismo Veloce Rosso 800 Sports Tourer and riding is pain free now and much more fun. It’s plenty fast and I honestly can’t see going above say 130 bhp for street riding.
Have been riding a 2006 ZX10r since it was new, and I still can ride it cross country. I am 43, and I got a 750 vulcan this year, so I could take my son for rides. I still find the ZX10r to be more comfortable for me. This is why everyone should more than one bike.
53 here and love my F900XR, use it mostly to commute and now a upright seating position is a must for me otherwise only my naprapat will be happy.
I have owned a number of 1000cc plus super bikes and no longer want to have another. My last purchase is a 2024 Suzuki GSX-8S and it fits my needs better than any of my past 1000cc+ bikes.
Yammi nube!!!
I'm 49 years old and this last episode, when you were explaining on riding 1000 compared to 600s. My man 10 years ago I swear to u that I had the same discussion with my younger riding buddies. I did bunch of racing up to about 38yrs old. Had the first year r1 when it came out, before that many 600s and 750s. I always enjoyed ringing the shit out of 600 on track or street, but you can never just burry the throttle on a 1000. (Given it was the 2000s not tc ect.)
Recently picked up a 2016 FJ-09 in immaculate condition. I have a ZX6R. I can only ride it for an hour and a half before my right arm and shoulder wants to fall off. With the FJ-09. I can do a 200 mile run and it's fun. I'm still keeping the ZX6R it's my race horse.