@@jski718 I challenge you to go up to any member of the Israeli Defense Force✡and express your opinion - that they are Beta males for how they're required to carry their duty weapon(s). I always carry with a round in the chamber myself, simply due to time factor(s) involved in a dynamic critical incident. SHALOM!
@@glenncoody I would. Just because they do it does mean its a good idea. They only do it because they didn't have weapons standards originally. So it was a bad habit/making the best of a bad situation.
I think carrying in the chamber is less about the speed (because people can train to be very fast), and more about being ready for the situation in which you need it. I've seen videos where people are attacked and they're using 1 arm to fight off the attacker and only have 1 hand free to draw their gun while struggling. In a defensive situation, chances are you're going to be reactive, not proactive, and it might be from a position where the attacker already has ahold of you.
This. It is a very real possibility someone could be in arms reach attacking you with a knife. Having your off hand free to ward off the knife while your other hand draws your firearm could save your life. This is why apendix carry is making less sense to me. Turning and drawing 1 handed from 4 'oclock seems more natural to me. Sure, apendix may be faster when you have both hands. But will you have both hands?
Not "chances are", but literally 100%. The criminal gets to choose the time and place every single time. Maybe you can wait your turn and catch them unaware, but racking a round is likely going to draw their attention.
@@arorath9170 biggest problem is that racking is noisy!!! “Hello look at me!” Imagine you’re in a store with two armed attackers who have guns out. When you rack all focus will go toward you! It’s pure insanity. Not even a question.
@@Strlrd1023 that is not only NOT the biggest problem but isn't even a problem at all. If focus is not on you and your life is not in immediate danger then why the hell are you drawing to begin with? Bro, that's not self defense.
You need to remember that a single piece of advice as important as this one can never apply to everyone at every skill level. New gun owners without a lot of experience or instruction are especially vulnerable to advice beyond their skill level. The situation always dictates the condition of your weapon.
It seems like this discussion usually leans towards people thinking there is only 1 right way to carry, and that's with a round in the chamber. Yes, when a situation occurs where milliseconds count for firing the first round, and that is often the case, it would absolutely be an advantage to carry with a round chambered. But the situation doesn't 'always' require that sub 1.5 second draw and shoot. There are 'some' situations when it's good to be carrying a firearm, but the milliseconds for first shot don't matter. (Say your in Costco and you hear shots fired on the other side of the store by someone you have no visual of. It would be good that you're carrying, but would have that extra half-second to chamber a round.) As far as people shooting themselves or someone else 'accidentally', I have seen people in videos 'accidentally' shoot themselves or someone else while carrying with one in the chamber, but I've 'never' seen someone shoot themselves or someone else without a round in the chamber. People will say that's because the people didn't train enough carrying with one in the chamber. Well, maybe, but people are also not perfect. You can train all you want and still make a mistake someday. Also, some people have kids and if their kids did somehow get ahold of their firearm, they feel safer knowing their kid would have to chamber a round before they could accidentally hurt someone just by pulling the trigger. Or maybe someone just started carrying and isn't yet trained or comfortable carrying with one in the chamber until they are better trained. If someone decides to carry without a round in the chamber, they are definitely incurring the risk of those times when milliseconds do count for firing your first round. If someone decides to carry with one in the chamber, they are definitely reducing the time it takes to get their first round fired when they really need it. Good for them. But they are also incurring some level of risk that someday, some way, that round in the chamber could be fired unintentionally. I'm not saying don't carry with one in the chamber if that's what someone chooses to do. I'm just saying that there is more than one way to carry and there are valid reasons for carrying with or without a round in the chamber. Everyone can weigh the risks and make their own choice what's best for them. (BTW - I carry with one in the chamber. I just don't want anyone to feel 'forced' to carry in a way that it not best for them.)
There is only one way to carry. Otherwise you are not competent. If you follow the rules of gun safety, have a quality firearm and holster, it’s impossible to have a discharge. So if you can’t carry round in the chamber you shouldn’t carry at all cuz you aren’t proficient in your 4 rules of gun safety. There is no accidental discharge, only negligent.
Beautiful comment, finally someone took the time to explain it. My m&p shield doesn't have a safety lever. I don't go anywhere where I may need to pull and shoot. So I don't keep a round in the chamber.
Nice video. I always carry with a round in the chamber. I actually feel safer doing so. If something happens, I don't have to worry about racking the slide.
Hammer-fired double action/single action guns are way safer to carry than any striker-fired gun. Like most modern firearms, classic hammer-fired Sigs have firing pin safeties where the firing pin is blocked unless the trigger is pulled. I don't think twice about carrying a classic Sig de-cocked, with one in the chamber, WITHOUT a holster. You won't do that with any striker-fired gun. I've heard the half-brained arguments about two different trigger pulls. If someone is close the heavy double action trigger pull isn't so different that you will miss. If a target is far away, you have time to cock the hammer with your thumb and you have a single action trigger pull that is better than anything you can get from any modern single action semi-automatic pistol. I believe the last new double-action/single action gun made was the Springfield XDE. It only failed because most people are ignorant about the advantages of double-action/single action guns. Hence the "you should always carry with a high quality holster" comments I'll probably get for posting this.
I'm carrying a sig p229 r2 with DA/SA trigger. Doesn't have a safety so I'm a little reluctant to carry because of my fear of discharge but while I get to know my firearm I notice that even if I push on the hammer after I rack it there's absolutely no way the hammer can be forced to smash the pin. Is there a safety mechanism at play here? Would like to get your opinion as a fellow sig owner
Even if you have time to draw and chamber that means you most likely have a drop on the perp, the sound of racking could alert the bad guy and you lose your advantage
@creatureslim Why would you be that slow racking the slide unless you are not practiced on it? If you draw the gun then you are going to use it in the same motion or don't draw the gun. Draw and shoot or don't draw.
As I point out above, over the decades carrying a knfe, I have alway been aware of my surrounding enough to have my hand in my pocket and do the same with my gun and have it staged with holster wing jammed against the pocket ready to draw. No reaching for it, lifting a shirt. I am not drawing unless I am immediately firing so if I can get it fired as fast or even faster than an appendix carry, that;s what matters, my attacker is going to be alerted by a bang. In my home, I don't plan on going seeking the perp, and if I rack that alone sends NINEY PERCENT running that's great. And as training goes, the best fight is the one you didn't have to be in. After a home invasion, I want the police to leave... without arresting me. As my criminal law prof said, when you are in the court room, you want to go out back door, not the front door... it's not very nice back there.
A more helpful video would be statistics on how often the loss of a fraction of a second would make a difference in self-defense versus how many accidental/negligent discharges would be prevented with an empty chamber. It not easy to come by these numbers, but it would be better than yet another video showing differences in draw time that we already know.
What's your life worth? The time spent racking your gun could very well be the difference between life and death. If you're to incompetent to carry one in the chamber maybe you shouldn't carry at all. That's why we practice.
A round in the chamber is ideal, though for some carrying without a round in the chamber is a STEP IN their training that nudges them closer to that ideal. A firearm isn't carried in a vacuum, your equipment must also be "safe". That said, the gun you have with you is better than the gun you don't. I'd rather a church, school, or building with multiple good guys a slide-rack away from protecting each other than for them to have left their firearm at home because they had been shamed into thinking it was useless. I'd rather you be a slide-rack away from a useful firearm than 30 minutes away because you left it at home.
Good video... now unholster, rack & fire with 1 hand in the case of being in a struggle & only having one hand available. For that reason alone I always carry with one chambered.
@MattSoldano I practice that also when using condition 3 but if I let the threat get that close to me then that is my fault to begin with. The threat should never be allowed to get that close. You can rack one handed on a belt or shoe sole if there is nothing else.
@@rbm6184 the problem with your theory is that they might not be perceived as a threat until they are too close. as for racking your slide on a belt or shoe, that is not guaranteed to work. what if the slide gets caught up in your shirt, or you get some debris from your shoe in the chamber and it wont go into battery? by keeping one in the chamber, you mitigate all those unknowns.
@@wedgie502 Anyone getting too close is a perceived threat and that is what is wrong with your logic. By your logic what if you fail to draw your pistol and get shot regardless of an empty chamber? If if if if. Practice, practice, practice so that you can be competent in every carry condition. I don't want a kid on my lap reaching down and pulling my trigger but I do want a round in at a convenience store where there are shady characters. Use situational awareness and good judgment. If you carry with a round in all the time then your chances/odds of a negligent/accidental discharge go way up.
@@rbm6184 people may get a little too close in what seem to be innocuous situations like waiting in line at the gas station or at a McDonalds. If you want to get technical, anyone closer than 21 feet would be considered too close since you could still be attacked before you got a shot off. if you're worried about a kid on your lap while you have a pistol in your waist, why isn't it in a holster that covers the trigger, or better yet, clear the weapon and secure it in a lockbox. and why is a kid grabbing down there to begin with? also, if i keep my finger off the trigger, there is no negligent discharge since there is no other way to fire a Glock or many other striker-fire pistols. the whole point of this video is to point out that you want to choose one way to carry and stick with it. if you switch it up, you're going to be second guessing yourself if you have to use your weapon since you wont know if its hot or not, and that can end up with you dead. The more variables that you add to an equation, the more likely a mistake will happen.
@@wedgie502 "also, if i keep my finger off the trigger, there is no negligent discharge since there is no other way to fire a Glock or many other striker-fire pistols." So you are going to tell me that a kid can't reach into the holster and pull the trigger? Its happened before. You will not have time to clear the weapon and secure it in a box when the kid jumps on your lap. I would love to see how you keep a kids hands to him or herself in your perfect world. Something will snag on that trigger when you least expect it and we are all humans that make mistakes. A lot of folks have said the same thing you do and are the same ones that have had negligent discharges and blame the gun for it. Carrying in condition zero is a negligent discharge waiting to happen. Its the same as carrying a 1911 cocked but not locked. At least carry in condition one on a striker pistol with a light sloppy single action trigger. I don't second guess myself since I practice all the carry conditions and know the condition of my gun at all times.
I've carried a Colt M 1911 throughout my 22 year law enforcement career (retired in 2008). I continue to carry my full frame, government 1911 concealed. It is fully loaded, chambered round and cocked. I've been in deadly force situations and you simply do not have the time to chamber a catridge before defending yourself. Get comfortable with your loaded gun. Carry a quality pistol. Maintain your pistol. Train and practice.
It's called a side rack. You rack against your belt. That is slower than just a draw, but the only time you'd have to do this under real pressure is you were surprised by something that took out an arm. You can rack against a forearm.
@@danielhurst8863 what if your holding something like a baby or something that dropping isn’t an option. I know how to rack the slide on a belt and it’s completely hit or miss. Most situations your pulling a gun out is going to be surprising and stressful. Now your introducing and entire new step that requires the rear sight to catch your belt and successfully rack a round clean into a chamber. I’ve practiced it and trust me it’s not something I’m risking my life on. Defeating garment is hard enough one handed. 2 handed even. Also your carrying large gun or this isn’t happening. P365 Hellcat any micro 9 is not easily racked with 2 hands. And is not being racked off a belt. Train more and carry with one in the chamber.
A lot of people start carrying with empty chamber. Then after 6mo or so feel safe enough to switch to round in chamber. Just know that cycling the same round in and out alot can cause problems. Switch the chambered round out every few times. Then shoot your carry mag empty on the next trip to the range.
@@np4057 i have young kids 6 and 8. They know not to touch them. But i eject the chambered round every night. Because i know they cant rack a slide. It gives me piece of mind.
@@YOUneedJESUS1 I am just saying no one should have access to your firearm except you (and wife? If proficient) and anyone who does have access should be able to handle it loaded safely. Basically if you can’t keep it around the house loaded then it’s not stored safely. Just my opinion
@@YOUneedJESUS1get a god damned quality quick safe. Don’t leave your guns laying around when you have kids. Idc how good they are. My kid shoots competiton and can’t access my guns. Get some drawer safes for Christ sakes!
A primary consideration not addressed here is that your assailant may control one arm, leaving you unable to rack the round. People practice methods to get around that, like racking on the leg, but try that in a fight and see how it works out for you.
@bjs301 As I stated earlier, if I let the threat get that close to me then that is my fault to begin with. The threat should never be allowed to get that close. That is why we should be situationally aware.
@@rbm6184 It may or may not be your fault, but regardless, it happens. I didn't read whatever your earlier comment said, but if you seriously carry on an empty chamber, good luck to you.
@@bjs301 It is always my fault if I fail to stop a threat getting too close to me. I carry on an empty chamber only when the situation warrants it. I don't want a kid on my lap reaching down and pulling my trigger but I do want a round in at a convenience store where there are shady characters. Folks just need to use situational awareness and good judgment on when to have a loaded chamber and when to have an unloaded chamber. Its not that hard to understand.
I carry fully loaded with a round in the chamber as well but it's also easier for me since I'm a Stroke Survivor and Recovering but my affected side is my right side but I'm thankful to God I'm Left Handed so my strong and dominant hand is 💯... Very Good video Thanks
There's no way most common folks could actually rack that fast. People need to realize that this man is a trained Navy Seal and is an expert. Doing this myself would be much slower. I started out without a round in the chamber until I got comfortable and confident in my gun. Now it's the way I train and for me, not being an expert, I don't need something that would slow me down like racking a slide. Great video!
Both of my CC guns are DA/SA with decockers. So I carry with one in the chamber but my first shot will be double action. I feel more comfortable that way
I think what makes many uneasy is the realization that the striker is 100 percent cocked on most guns. I’m pretty sure the 320, 365 and the M&P are. Hocks are about 70 percent cocked. I thin CZ are not fully cocked. I wish we had more da/sa options. Would you carry a 1911 cocked with only a trigger dingus and firing pin block? That is essentially what you are doing with 100 percent precocked striker fired guns.
"Irrational fears" are just that... Irrational. Where is it deemed illegal to legally carry a "loaded" weapon vs. being OK to carry an "unloaded" one? Remember, NOT having one in the chamber does not (in any jurisdiction I have ever heard of?) render the firearm as somehow being "unloaded"...
@@aolvaar8792 Is that not a regulation for transporting a weapon, specifically a "long gun" in a vehicle, not carrying one loaded vs. unloaded...? The point I was trying to make is that a firearm with a loaded magazine but lacking a round in the chamber is not, to my limited knowledge, regarded as being "UNLOADED" in most jurisdictions. The same with a revolver with the hammer on an empty chamber: unlikely this would be deemed to be "UNLOADED"...
@@NormanPOlt Utah, 2 actions For those 18 to 21: Open carry of a loaded firearm (e.g., a live round of ammunition in the firing chamber) is allowed with a permit. Open carry of firearm without a permit is allowed as long as the gun is at least two actions from being fired, e.g. 1) rack the slide to chamber, and 2) pull the trigger; or must carry with no bullet in the next chamber in a revolver, so have to pull the trigger twice to fire.
If you’re too scared to carry +1, and thinking of putting in a bag or pack instead of no round in chamber, then you probably shouldn’t be carrying a gun
Since everyone is advocating for “one in the chamber “ I’ll play the other side.. nobody is worried about the gun going off by itself.. to assume that is clear not in touch with the subject matter. But accidents do happen.. and in most cases the trigger can be push to fire..having a round in the chamber isn’t a good thing when you’re open carrying.. I’m sure none of you had to fight to get your gun back… thank goodness you know there isn’t one in the chamber but he doesn’t know that. For the most part one in or out doesn’t matter.. if you trained yourself to rack when drawing, even if you don’t rack nobody but you know the chamber is empty.. I myself don’t keep a loaded chamber except when I’m going to probably need it.. having one in the chamber is quicker but none is safer. Now go eat rock if you want to debate it some more.
It's not about trust, people are not perfect and make mistakes, police/soldiers have accidentally shot themselves or their partners despite their high level of training which is more than the regular citizens are ever gonna be
I think that people short stroke the gun and end up with no round in the chamber when it's most important to have one in the chamber. I don't think carrying with an empty chamber is a good idea, but that's just how I roll , you do you
Here's a good reason to carry one in the chamber not really mention is what if you are using your support hand to defend yourself and only have one hand to draw and fire? It's not impossible to rack a weapon one handed but if you don't train to do that then you need both hands to draw your weapon and rack it in able to defend yourself. Just pointing this out to think about.
I have carried a 1911a1 for over 50 years, 30 in the US Army. Always carried in condition one, cocked and locked with a round in the chamber. If you need it right now, let nothing stand in your way.
That's correct, sir. Thank you for your service! But you would still have to remember to take down the safety. But if you're trained to do so, it's just as fast.
Carrying a round in the chamber should be one step of your training and familiarity of your gun. Being familiar with your gun is what I believe to be the first and foremost step with having a concealed weapon. Knowing how your gun works and operates is important to operating it.
EXACTLY. There are too many folks who carry, that have no idea how the firearm operates. I actually came across a guy a few years ago, that was open-carrying, and we talked about his gun. Turns out this genius NEVER FIRED A GUN IN HIS LIFE. Not even once. He was absolutely clueless, and though just carrying a gun, would scare all the "bad guys". I don't think I got through to him that day, unfortunately.
On top of taking longer to fire if you have to rack, something very important that wasn't discussed, what if in a split second decision you fumble your weapon or muscle memory gets wacky on you bc you added to rack? I want to carry with two rounds in the chamber 🤭
I think that the video left out the two most important parts of carrying safely with a round in the chamber: 1) Use a quality poster that completely covers the trigger. 2) Pay attention when reholstering so that no foreign objects (like clothing) come into contact with the trigger. Hammer-fired guns allow you to put your thumb on the hammer to prevent accidental discharge if something does try to actuate the trigger while reholstering. While that is not an option for most striker-fired pistols, Langdon Tactical does sell a Striker Control Device for Glocks that provides "thumb-on-hammer" safety while reholstering.
I'm with @bjs301 below, but for a different reason. I may not have two hands to rack a slide at the moment. Sure, I guess I could work on leg racking, but that really hurts with shorts on. I may have my dog on a leash. I may have a child in my arms. I may be holding back that child or someone else like my wife or girlfriend (or keeping them separated!). If I have a bag of groceries...human nature says I'll be reluctant to simply drop the bag. Too soft of a rack due to instantly sweaty hands can jam up the round and leave you in a different kind of jam. I can't find really any reason to carry empty pipe unless the law specifically states otherwise, which brings up another choice to make. If it is fear, then take the weapon to a gunsmith and let them show you the inner workings and why it can't just 'go off' because you bent over. That 0.15 Delta time on the different kinds of draws can be the difference between life and death. With my arthritic hands, the Delta would be much, much greater. Two tours and 13 years LEO...no, absolutely NO empty chamber here! Good vid.
@@brandonjohnson1339 my statement was “putting on the seat belt as you are having an accident”. Nothing was said about a seatbelt while driving. I read someplace that FBI statistics say a typical self defense use of a firearm is under three meters, under 3 seconds and 3 rounds fired. If I carry without one in the chamber I will have to draw from concealment, rack the slide, and fire 3 accurate rounds in under 3 seconds. Under extreme stress getting your gun out and deploying it is going to be hard enough, racking the slide adds another chance for things to fail.
@@Rusty_ok for the average person the chances of accidently shooting yourself, someone around you, or having a child get ahold of it are much higher than being in some kind of quick draw scenario
I was 95B/31B and working the road we were not allowed to chamber a round unless a threat was imminent. So we trained to not have a round in the chamber. Deployed we were locked and loaded. This video is very predisposed to carry L&L but as long as you train and comfortable to draw and carry, 1/10 of a second is pretty minute either way. Let's focus on that. Training and Being comfortable your way of carrying.
Yes. Yes you should. In 2005 while we were in Iraq the rules of engagement stated that we were not allowed to chamber a round until openly engaged by the enemy. However we were infantry grunts and didn’t follow such a stupid rule
By comparison your average time with an empty chamber was 0.077 sec slower. Indeed some of your empty chamber times were better than some of your times with a round chambered. For someone who does not train with an empty chamber you're darn good that way. What do you suggest about DA/SA pistols? Yea, I know, train that way and the first firing will have a heavier trigger pull. But beyond that, what are your thoughts?
The answer to this is just to holster slowly and attentively. Unless youre at war, theres usually not much of a reason to need to put your gun away super fast. You can also just take your holster off if you have a clip, then holster it pointing in a safe direction and put it on hip/appendix.
I am fighting hard to avoid using caps~~I don't effingggggg care how you, or anybody else carries, as long as they do it legally!!!!! Only internet idiots keep bringing this up, mind your own effinnggg business. FTR I carry with a loaded chamber, but that is my choice, let me repeat my choice. I respect the choice of law abiding citizens!
Again with this question. IMHO, if you are carrying and you cannot draw your gun with one hand and pull the trigger to fire it, then you are really just carrying a gun-shaped rock.
99.99% will never have to draw your gun yet the majority will still say carry with a rd in the chamber. I feel like most guys just wanna feel like Rambo for a threat that most likely isn’t even coming.
Should you put your seatbelt on right before a car wreck? Should you go purchase a fire extinguisher after your house is on fire? What makes you assume you'll have the ability to load a round in the heat of the moment? It makes absolutely 0 sense to not carry in condition 1.
@@vickiroman189 for most people the chances of being in some kind of quick draw scenario are slim to none, what is far more likely to happen is accidentally shooting yourself, someone else, or having a child get ahold of it, so carrying with a round in the chamber is counter productive for most people
Just tell the person that's about to assault you. Wait a second! Then don't chamber one! That would be a courtesy world, but we don't live in that world. Being prepared means one in the chamber and ready to go when you pull the trigger!
Nothing against this instructor, but outside of military, law enforcement, or competition shooting, the chance of having to have to draw and fire is practically nonexistent nor would you want to. As for having a round in the chamber, it’s better due to the heat of the moment situations, that being said, maintaining good situational awareness and being in control, you can still rack a round quick enough. Also it can pay not to have a round in the chamber in an ambush situation, where someone knows you’re armed and covertly try’s to gain control of your weapon. The most important things to remember besides training is situational awareness and trigger control for civilian self defense situations.
There are some things i disagree with this video (like the position to carry, on body/off body) otherwise a very good overview. Most important thing is training... fight like you train and be comfortable that pistols don't just "go off" by themselves
@@dalepres1 yes.. While in the safe or not in "ready to be used" conditions, I never leave a round chambered due to the possibility of a fire. But to me off body (like satchel or purse carry) is just not fast enough and with lots of possibilities of losing... the risk/reward is just not there.
Because accidents happen, people die everyday because a round was in the chamber and the chances of accidently shooting yourself, someone else, or having a child get ahold of it are much higher than being in a quick draw scenario in everyday life
I honestly think it sounds more like you need some professional training. You don't have the confidence to carry yet. I was the same way for about two weeks when I first started carrying. Thankfully, I had private training and after about a month of that, I was confident enough to carry with one in the chamber, and no manual safety. Seriously, how much is your life worth to you? Even three or five basic concealed carry classes will take you very far and probably help you avoid going to prison or worse.
If the perp gets the drop on you and you take a round to your support side arm,hand, or whatever you are screwed for racking the gun. I can’t believe you would not mention that. It’s tactical defense 101.
Also remember, modern striker fire guns have firing pin blocks. Some people don't know this but that little lever that sits on the trigger not only helps to prevent something from catching the edge and pulling the trigger, but it actually moves the firing pin block out of the way so that the gun can fire. This is just one more layer of safety that prevents the gun from going off if it is dropped or hit hard. The firing pin physically cannot strike the primer unless that little lever on the trigger is pulled. This is why a gun sitting securely inside a hard Kydex holster which completely covers the trigger guard is impossible to go off.
The little lever shouldn't move the block itself, the trigger does, once it's pulled to a certain extent. The lil lever actually blocks the trigger from moving in general on most models that have that lever. But if it's depressed, the trigger can now move, and the trigger itself removes the internal safety blocks.
When I first started to carry I was one of those that was afraid to carry with one chambered. After a few times at the range and outdoors I became comfortable that it will not fire without the trigger being pulled. I do still test a new gun for my own confidence. I own a few different ones that range from (budget) to a trusty Glock. I am now one that is a firm believer of being "Ready" at all times with the hope that I will never have to be. I have read and watched countless hours of opinions and research on the matter.
I don't know your idea of a budget firearm, but, from what I have seen online everywhere and at retail in my area a glock of any caliber is always cheaper than most models. Unless your idea of budget gun is a $250 piece of trash.
Also glocks break down just like the rest. It is not the end all be all of firearms. I don't put a price tag onmy life or the ones I care about. It's not about the money for me. It's about reliability. Glocks are great. So are S&W's. So are Sig Sauers. There are many out there. Chose wisely the one that's right for you. I never tell others what to buy. Just to go to the range and rent some that tickle their fancy and within their budget, but I always think about reliability first. It has to go pop when you need it to.
Snob much???? Just because it may not be 500 plus does not make it trash. And I mention glock as a recognized trusty firearm over your version of "trash". But by all means throw a months wages at a pretty brand name with pretty colors on it.
Actually the difference is not that significant,.. If you were to train for racking the slide it would be even closer… And yes I do carry with one in the chamber so I’m not arguing for an unchambered gun.
From the distance you will be firing off that first round and the time your aggressor can close that distance, I would suggest carrying one in the chamber Not carrying one in the chamber is akin to carrying with a safety on You must, as you indicate, overcome that fear through training and muscle memory I’ve never heard of any self inflicted wounds in appendix caused by anything other than operator error 16 years of military and combat experience has taught me what works when required and what doesn’t You can make it mentally comfortable for you through training and muscle memory to the point carrying it any other way is uncomfortable Unfortunately, most do not train enough with their carry handgun and switch them out too often for consistency in training ✌️
I would never carry one in the chamber as a bigger dude my fear is when i draw i may inadvertently depress the trigger and its happened to me on one occasion [Walther PPK carrying open bent over and bang]...so ive trained the Israeli drill and one handed shooting which might be a half a second slower but much safer imo.
@@benjaminlong2837 Try doing that when someone's attacking you and you need that gun, there's a really good chance they'll end up with your gun. I had to draw one handed against two meth addicts a couple years ago, there's no way I'd have had time to rack the slide hoping I hit my belt buckle under duress.
So I assume the same lesson/process you demoed in this video would apply to carrying with a round in the chamber but the safety is engaged!?!?!. Will add some time to the drawing/firing and 2.Practice how one carries.
If you had said it is like carrying a fire extinguisher with the safety pin still in it vs having it out, then yes it is similar. My guess is that your pin IS in your fire extinguisher!
@@Iam1uglyguy Nah, pin is like safety on. And I like to carry with safety on, but I grew up having to take off the safe, and my thumb has that muscle memory as I get on target, so I'm not so concerned.
Not choosing sides here, but just pointing out the fact that it's takes much much much longer to charge a fire extinguisher than it does to rack a firearm
Funny thing is that many of the folks saying carrying without a rd in the chamber is dumb are the same people who tell you appendix carrying is dumb because it’s “more dangerous”. It’s ironic af because if you carry with no rd there is zero danger no matter what position…
Not really. It takes seven hundredths of a second to rack the slide. It takes a lot longer than seven hundredths of a second to fill and charge a fire extinguisher.
Sigs have a firing pin block. The trigger has to be depressed for the firing pin to move forward. You are not going to set your sig off bending over, or dropping it on the hammer. The hammer will shear off before it will fire. It’s 1 of 4 passive safeties.
I don't like carryinga Glock charged, Im just afraid if I get into a tussle the person trying to take me down will grab where the trigger is, depending on the holster. IMHO
I prefer a safety, that's what I grew up with when pretty much all handguns had safties, meaning autos of course. If I don't have time to flip a safety I should get out of combat zone I found myself in.
I prefer a safety, that's what I grew up with when pretty much all handguns had safties, meaning autos of course. If I don't have time to flip a safety I should get out of combat zone I found myself in.
I didn't realize you all were wise asses there, maybe you can pay my fee when UT runs out next time because I won't. Is that good enough English for you?
I have two pistols I can keep with me. One is a 9mm that I keep a round in the chamber. The reason is I have a hard time racking the slide. I also have a 22lr that I do not keep a round in the chamber because I can easily rack the slide.
If you can’t master keeping you finger outside of the trigger guard, then you shouldn’t carry with one in the chamber. Accidentally discharge is normally the person drawing his/her weapon with their finger on the trigger while drawing their weapon
If the pistol has a safety, I would carry a round in the chamber.... I wonder how many people have shot themselves in the foot or blew a hole in their floor boards of their cars????
The only thing I believe you fail to mention is if someone's carrying a weapon and they have the safety on as well as not having one in the chamber, to me that's a death sentence if you're in a situation, would love to see you draw a weapon remove the safety then rack it then shoot, personally I carry One in the Chamber no safety, appendix carry
Your initial premise that people who carry without one in the chamber do so because they have an irrational fear of the gun spontaneously firing is a complete strawman argument. The reason to carry with an empty chamber is to limit accidental discharges when the firearm is *OUT* of the holster for any reason other than a self defense scenario and there are statistics to back that idea up, when you carry with one in the chamber there is a much greater risk that somebody pulls the trigger not knowing that it’s loaded.
I know people that do t chamber a round. They literally think the gun itself is protection. Also it’s nice that statistically they will never find out how wrong they are
The situation shown assumes your attacker is coming from the front from a distance that would allow you the use of both arms. If jumped or engaging at close quarters you are more than likely going to have to use one arm to create space while drawing, and discharging your weapon close to your body with the other.
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Only beta males carry without a round in the chamber.
@@jski718 I challenge you to go up to any member of the Israeli Defense Force✡and express your opinion - that they are Beta males for how they're required to carry their duty weapon(s). I always carry with a round in the chamber myself, simply due to time factor(s) involved in a dynamic critical incident. SHALOM!
@@glenncoody I would. Just because they do it does mean its a good idea. They only do it because they didn't have weapons standards originally. So it was a bad habit/making the best of a bad situation.
I tend to prefer putting my round in my friends camber instead.
What kind of reply is or who is should I ask YO hmm
I think carrying in the chamber is less about the speed (because people can train to be very fast), and more about being ready for the situation in which you need it. I've seen videos where people are attacked and they're using 1 arm to fight off the attacker and only have 1 hand free to draw their gun while struggling. In a defensive situation, chances are you're going to be reactive, not proactive, and it might be from a position where the attacker already has ahold of you.
This. It is a very real possibility someone could be in arms reach attacking you with a knife. Having your off hand free to ward off the knife while your other hand draws your firearm could save your life. This is why apendix carry is making less sense to me. Turning and drawing 1 handed from 4 'oclock seems more natural to me. Sure, apendix may be faster when you have both hands. But will you have both hands?
Not "chances are", but literally 100%. The criminal gets to choose the time and place every single time. Maybe you can wait your turn and catch them unaware, but racking a round is likely going to draw their attention.
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@@arorath9170 biggest problem is that racking is noisy!!! “Hello look at me!” Imagine you’re in a store with two armed attackers who have guns out. When you rack all focus will go toward you! It’s pure insanity. Not even a question.
@@Strlrd1023 that is not only NOT the biggest problem but isn't even a problem at all. If focus is not on you and your life is not in immediate danger then why the hell are you drawing to begin with? Bro, that's not self defense.
Don't shortchange yourself when the only time you're using a gun is when a life depends on it. Keep a round in the chamber
Time matters
@@ScrappyXFL a couple seconds could be the difference between life and death
You need to remember that a single piece of advice as important as this one can never apply to everyone at every skill level. New gun owners without a lot of experience or instruction are especially vulnerable to advice beyond their skill level. The situation always dictates the condition of your weapon.
It took a couple of months for me to get used to carrying with one in the chamber. I found that having a good holster is important. Good content!!
Same here I had to get comfortable enough to do it but now I don’t even worry about it anymore.
It seems like this discussion usually leans towards people thinking there is only 1 right way to carry, and that's with a round in the chamber. Yes, when a situation occurs where milliseconds count for firing the first round, and that is often the case, it would absolutely be an advantage to carry with a round chambered. But the situation doesn't 'always' require that sub 1.5 second draw and shoot. There are 'some' situations when it's good to be carrying a firearm, but the milliseconds for first shot don't matter. (Say your in Costco and you hear shots fired on the other side of the store by someone you have no visual of. It would be good that you're carrying, but would have that extra half-second to chamber a round.) As far as people shooting themselves or someone else 'accidentally', I have seen people in videos 'accidentally' shoot themselves or someone else while carrying with one in the chamber, but I've 'never' seen someone shoot themselves or someone else without a round in the chamber. People will say that's because the people didn't train enough carrying with one in the chamber. Well, maybe, but people are also not perfect. You can train all you want and still make a mistake someday. Also, some people have kids and if their kids did somehow get ahold of their firearm, they feel safer knowing their kid would have to chamber a round before they could accidentally hurt someone just by pulling the trigger. Or maybe someone just started carrying and isn't yet trained or comfortable carrying with one in the chamber until they are better trained. If someone decides to carry without a round in the chamber, they are definitely incurring the risk of those times when milliseconds do count for firing your first round. If someone decides to carry with one in the chamber, they are definitely reducing the time it takes to get their first round fired when they really need it. Good for them. But they are also incurring some level of risk that someday, some way, that round in the chamber could be fired unintentionally. I'm not saying don't carry with one in the chamber if that's what someone chooses to do. I'm just saying that there is more than one way to carry and there are valid reasons for carrying with or without a round in the chamber. Everyone can weigh the risks and make their own choice what's best for them. (BTW - I carry with one in the chamber. I just don't want anyone to feel 'forced' to carry in a way that it not best for them.)
Well said I must say. If someone got the drop on you then it don’t matter if you have one in the chamber or not.
I'd say carry how you're comfortable, it's your life
There is only one way to carry. Otherwise you are not competent. If you follow the rules of gun safety, have a quality firearm and holster, it’s impossible to have a discharge. So if you can’t carry round in the chamber you shouldn’t carry at all cuz you aren’t proficient in your 4 rules of gun safety. There is no accidental discharge, only negligent.
There most definitely IS someone here who is not competent. Now I see who it is. @@ConcealedDaily
Beautiful comment, finally someone took the time to explain it. My m&p shield doesn't have a safety lever. I don't go anywhere where I may need to pull and shoot. So I don't keep a round in the chamber.
I carry fully loaded with a chambered round .
Nice video. I always carry with a round in the chamber. I actually feel safer doing so. If something happens, I don't have to worry about racking the slide.
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Thanks for your support Frank!
Hammer-fired double action/single action guns are way safer to carry than any striker-fired gun. Like most modern firearms, classic hammer-fired Sigs have firing pin safeties where the firing pin is blocked unless the trigger is pulled. I don't think twice about carrying a classic Sig de-cocked, with one in the chamber, WITHOUT a holster. You won't do that with any striker-fired gun. I've heard the half-brained arguments about two different trigger pulls. If someone is close the heavy double action trigger pull isn't so different that you will miss. If a target is far away, you have time to cock the hammer with your thumb and you have a single action trigger pull that is better than anything you can get from any modern single action semi-automatic pistol. I believe the last new double-action/single action gun made was the Springfield XDE. It only failed because most people are ignorant about the advantages of double-action/single action guns. Hence the "you should always carry with a high quality holster" comments I'll probably get for posting this.
I'm carrying a sig p229 r2 with DA/SA trigger. Doesn't have a safety so I'm a little reluctant to carry because of my fear of discharge but while I get to know my firearm I notice that even if I push on the hammer after I rack it there's absolutely no way the hammer can be forced to smash the pin. Is there a safety mechanism at play here? Would like to get your opinion as a fellow sig owner
Even if you have time to draw and chamber that means you most likely have a drop on the perp, the sound of racking could alert the bad guy and you lose your advantage
@creatureslim Why would you be that slow racking the slide unless you are not practiced on it? If you draw the gun then you are going to use it in the same motion or don't draw the gun. Draw and shoot or don't draw.
But then you squeeze the trigger immediately and boom, advantage restored
As I point out above, over the decades carrying a knfe, I have alway been aware of my surrounding enough to have my hand in my pocket and do the same with my gun and have it staged with holster wing jammed against the pocket ready to draw. No reaching for it, lifting a shirt. I am not drawing unless I am immediately firing so if I can get it fired as fast or even faster than an appendix carry, that;s what matters, my attacker is going to be alerted by a bang. In my home, I don't plan on going seeking the perp, and if I rack that alone sends NINEY PERCENT running that's great. And as training goes, the best fight is the one you didn't have to be in. After a home invasion, I want the police to leave... without arresting me. As my criminal law prof said, when you are in the court room, you want to go out back door, not the front door... it's not very nice back there.
Thing is, the sound of unholstering out of kydex will also alert them. So the sound argument is not everything
@@jsheav That is one reason to wear a leather, suede, nylon, neoprene, etc. holster. Comfort is another. Less bulk is another.
A more helpful video would be statistics on how often the loss of a fraction of a second would make a difference in self-defense versus how many accidental/negligent discharges would be prevented with an empty chamber. It not easy to come by these numbers, but it would be better than yet another video showing differences in draw time that we already know.
What's your life worth? The time spent racking your gun could very well be the difference between life and death. If you're to incompetent to carry one in the chamber maybe you shouldn't carry at all. That's why we practice.
A round in the chamber is ideal, though for some carrying without a round in the chamber is a STEP IN their training that nudges them closer to that ideal. A firearm isn't carried in a vacuum, your equipment must also be "safe". That said, the gun you have with you is better than the gun you don't. I'd rather a church, school, or building with multiple good guys a slide-rack away from protecting each other than for them to have left their firearm at home because they had been shamed into thinking it was useless. I'd rather you be a slide-rack away from a useful firearm than 30 minutes away because you left it at home.
i always carry a round in the chamber.
just me
Good video... now unholster, rack & fire with 1 hand in the case of being in a struggle & only having one hand available.
For that reason alone I always carry with one chambered.
@MattSoldano I practice that also when using condition 3 but if I let the threat get that close to me then that is my fault to begin with. The threat should never be allowed to get that close. You can rack one handed on a belt or shoe sole if there is nothing else.
@@rbm6184 the problem with your theory is that they might not be perceived as a threat until they are too close. as for racking your slide on a belt or shoe, that is not guaranteed to work. what if the slide gets caught up in your shirt, or you get some debris from your shoe in the chamber and it wont go into battery? by keeping one in the chamber, you mitigate all those unknowns.
@@wedgie502 Anyone getting too close is a perceived threat and that is what is wrong with your logic. By your logic what if you fail to draw your pistol and get shot regardless of an empty chamber? If if if if. Practice, practice, practice so that you can be competent in every carry condition. I don't want a kid on my lap reaching down and pulling my trigger but I do want a round in at a convenience store where there are shady characters. Use situational awareness and good judgment. If you carry with a round in all the time then your chances/odds of a negligent/accidental discharge go way up.
@@rbm6184 people may get a little too close in what seem to be innocuous situations like waiting in line at the gas station or at a McDonalds. If you want to get technical, anyone closer than 21 feet would be considered too close since you could still be attacked before you got a shot off.
if you're worried about a kid on your lap while you have a pistol in your waist, why isn't it in a holster that covers the trigger, or better yet, clear the weapon and secure it in a lockbox. and why is a kid grabbing down there to begin with? also, if i keep my finger off the trigger, there is no negligent discharge since there is no other way to fire a Glock or many other striker-fire pistols.
the whole point of this video is to point out that you want to choose one way to carry and stick with it. if you switch it up, you're going to be second guessing yourself if you have to use your weapon since you wont know if its hot or not, and that can end up with you dead. The more variables that you add to an equation, the more likely a mistake will happen.
@@wedgie502 "also, if i keep my finger off the trigger, there is no negligent discharge since there is no other way to fire a Glock or many other striker-fire pistols."
So you are going to tell me that a kid can't reach into the holster and pull the trigger? Its happened before. You will not have time to clear the weapon and secure it in a box when the kid jumps on your lap. I would love to see how you keep a kids hands to him or herself in your perfect world. Something will snag on that trigger when you least expect it and we are all humans that make mistakes. A lot of folks have said the same thing you do and are the same ones that have had negligent discharges and blame the gun for it. Carrying in condition zero is a negligent discharge waiting to happen. Its the same as carrying a 1911 cocked but not locked. At least carry in condition one on a striker pistol with a light sloppy single action trigger.
I don't second guess myself since I practice all the carry conditions and know the condition of my gun at all times.
I've carried a Colt M 1911 throughout my 22 year law enforcement career (retired in 2008). I continue to carry my full frame, government 1911 concealed. It is fully loaded, chambered round and cocked. I've been in deadly force situations and you simply do not have the time to chamber a catridge before defending yourself. Get comfortable with your loaded gun. Carry a quality pistol. Maintain your pistol. Train and practice.
I carry a 1911 when I am home, around the house. Same, cocked and locked. People need to learn and understand WHY that is safe.
Agreed.
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This settles the entire debate.
Anyone that thinks they can draw and rack one in as fast or accurate as with one it the chamber ask your self what if you only can use one hand?
It's called a side rack. You rack against your belt. That is slower than just a draw, but the only time you'd have to do this under real pressure is you were surprised by something that took out an arm. You can rack against a forearm.
@@danielhurst8863 what if your holding something like a baby or something that dropping isn’t an option. I know how to rack the slide on a belt and it’s completely hit or miss. Most situations your pulling a gun out is going to be surprising and stressful. Now your introducing and entire new step that requires the rear sight to catch your belt and successfully rack a round clean into a chamber. I’ve practiced it and trust me it’s not something I’m risking my life on. Defeating garment is hard enough one handed. 2 handed even. Also your carrying large gun or this isn’t happening. P365 Hellcat any micro 9 is not easily racked with 2 hands. And is not being racked off a belt. Train more and carry with one in the chamber.
A lot of people start carrying with empty chamber. Then after 6mo or so feel safe enough to switch to round in chamber. Just know that cycling the same round in and out alot can cause problems. Switch the chambered round out every few times. Then shoot your carry mag empty on the next trip to the range.
Yep.
I never understood why anyone would continually cycle a round in and out. Keep it chambered 100% of the time.
@@np4057 i have young kids 6 and 8. They know not to touch them. But i eject the chambered round every night. Because i know they cant rack a slide. It gives me piece of mind.
@@YOUneedJESUS1 I am just saying no one should have access to your firearm except you (and wife? If proficient) and anyone who does have access should be able to handle it loaded safely. Basically if you can’t keep it around the house loaded then it’s not stored safely. Just my opinion
@@YOUneedJESUS1get a god damned quality quick safe. Don’t leave your guns laying around when you have kids. Idc how good they are. My kid shoots competiton and can’t access my guns. Get some drawer safes for Christ sakes!
A primary consideration not addressed here is that your assailant may control one arm, leaving you unable to rack the round. People practice methods to get around that, like racking on the leg, but try that in a fight and see how it works out for you.
You're supposed to rack the slide on their eye socket.
This is a great point!
@bjs301 As I stated earlier, if I let the threat get that close to me then that is my fault to begin with. The threat should never be allowed to get that close. That is why we should be situationally aware.
@@rbm6184 It may or may not be your fault, but regardless, it happens. I didn't read whatever your earlier comment said, but if you seriously carry on an empty chamber, good luck to you.
@@bjs301 It is always my fault if I fail to stop a threat getting too close to me. I carry on an empty chamber only when the situation warrants it. I don't want a kid on my lap reaching down and pulling my trigger but I do want a round in at a convenience store where there are shady characters. Folks just need to use situational awareness and good judgment on when to have a loaded chamber and when to have an unloaded chamber. Its not that hard to understand.
I carry fully loaded with a round in the chamber as well but it's also easier for me since I'm a Stroke Survivor and Recovering but my affected side is my right side but I'm thankful to God I'm Left Handed so my strong and dominant hand is 💯... Very Good video Thanks
There's no way most common folks could actually rack that fast. People need to realize that this man is a trained Navy Seal and is an expert. Doing this myself would be much slower. I started out without a round in the chamber until I got comfortable and confident in my gun. Now it's the way I train and for me, not being an expert, I don't need something that would slow me down like racking a slide. Great video!
I was thinking the same thing ain't no way I'm racking that gun like he did. I carry a dying caliber also so appendix carry is really the only option
Both of my CC guns are DA/SA with decockers. So I carry with one in the chamber but my first shot will be double action. I feel more comfortable that way
Right on. If someone doesn’t feel comfortable with one in the chamber, they should try a DA/SA or DAO option which will give them more confidence.
I think what makes many uneasy is the realization that the striker is 100 percent cocked on most guns. I’m pretty sure the 320, 365 and the M&P are. Hocks are about 70 percent cocked. I thin CZ are not fully cocked. I wish we had more da/sa options. Would you carry a 1911 cocked with only a trigger dingus and firing pin block? That is essentially what you are doing with 100 percent precocked striker fired guns.
I am comfortable carrying appendix with no safety and one in the chamber, but I must say I really like the idea of a decocker and DA/SA trigger.
Then Beretta and CZ would strike your fancy
@@Grooove_e. Exactly what I posed elsewhere here. I have an M9 but plan on carrying a CZ PCR.
@@CR3W1SH03S Nice, I'm the opposite I have a CZ 75B but carry a Beretta PX4 Storm
until you lose ur pecker
Sig p229
As a former SSG Airborne Infantry Combat Vet
WE ALWAYS CARRY WITH ONE IN THE CHAMBER
Thank you for your service sir! 🇺🇸
Thank you for your service! Why do you think people choose not to?
"Irrational fears" are just that... Irrational. Where is it deemed illegal to legally carry a "loaded" weapon vs. being OK to carry an "unloaded" one? Remember, NOT having one in the chamber does not (in any jurisdiction I have ever heard of?) render the firearm as somehow being "unloaded"...
Rifles and shotguns in cars in Utah, empty chamber. Read
@@aolvaar8792 Is that not a regulation for transporting a weapon, specifically a "long gun" in a vehicle, not carrying one loaded vs. unloaded...? The point I was trying to make is that a firearm with a loaded magazine but lacking a round in the chamber is not, to my limited knowledge, regarded as being "UNLOADED" in most jurisdictions. The same with a revolver with the hammer on an empty chamber: unlikely this would be deemed to be "UNLOADED"...
@@NormanPOlt Utah, 2 actions
For those 18 to 21: Open carry of a loaded firearm (e.g., a live round of ammunition in the firing chamber) is allowed with a permit. Open carry of firearm without a permit is allowed as long as the gun is at least two actions from being fired, e.g. 1) rack the slide to chamber, and 2) pull the trigger; or must carry with no bullet in the next chamber in a revolver, so have to pull the trigger twice to fire.
If you’re too scared to carry +1, and thinking of putting in a bag or pack instead of no round in chamber, then you probably shouldn’t be carrying a gun
Since everyone is advocating for “one in the chamber “
I’ll play the other side..
nobody is worried about the gun going off by itself.. to assume that is clear not in touch with the subject matter.
But accidents do happen.. and in most cases the trigger can be push to fire..having a round in the chamber isn’t a good thing when you’re open carrying.. I’m sure none of you had to fight to get your gun back… thank goodness you know there isn’t one in the chamber but he doesn’t know that.
For the most part one in or out doesn’t matter.. if you trained yourself to rack when drawing, even if you don’t rack nobody but you know the chamber is empty..
I myself don’t keep a loaded chamber except when I’m going to probably need it.. having one in the chamber is quicker but none is safer.
Now go eat rock if you want to debate it some more.
What debate? YES is the answer. If you don't, you don't trust your level of competence and you need professional training.
It's not about trust, people are not perfect and make mistakes, police/soldiers have accidentally shot themselves or their partners despite their high level of training which is more than the regular citizens are ever gonna be
I think that people short stroke the gun and end up with no round in the chamber when it's most important to have one in the chamber. I don't think carrying with an empty chamber is a good idea, but that's just how I roll , you do you
Here's a good reason to carry one in the chamber not really mention is what if you are using your support hand to defend yourself and only have one hand to draw and fire? It's not impossible to rack a weapon one handed but if you don't train to do that then you need both hands to draw your weapon and rack it in able to defend yourself. Just pointing this out to think about.
I have carried a 1911a1 for over 50 years, 30 in the US Army. Always carried in condition one, cocked and locked with a round in the chamber. If you need it right now, let nothing stand in your way.
Full agreed usn veteran love my A1 from service
That's correct, sir. Thank you for your service! But you would still have to remember to take down the safety. But if you're trained to do so, it's just as fast.
I carry loaded
I had to work up to do that. Now I’m very comfortable.
Carrying a round in the chamber should be one step of your training and familiarity of your gun. Being familiar with your gun is what I believe to be the first and foremost step with having a concealed weapon. Knowing how your gun works and operates is important to operating it.
EXACTLY. There are too many folks who carry, that have no idea how the firearm operates. I actually came across a guy a few years ago, that was open-carrying, and we talked about his gun. Turns out this genius NEVER FIRED A GUN IN HIS LIFE. Not even once. He was absolutely clueless, and though just carrying a gun, would scare all the "bad guys". I don't think I got through to him that day, unfortunately.
On top of taking longer to fire if you have to rack, something very important that wasn't discussed, what if in a split second decision you fumble your weapon or muscle memory gets wacky on you bc you added to rack? I want to carry with two rounds in the chamber 🤭
I just came here to say YES! ALWAYS! But definitely train and get accustomed to it. 👍🏿
Safety not being an issue + will I have both hands free? Locked & loaded seems like the odds on choice!
This is great. More content from him please
On it!
6:35 what are those reasons? I clicked on this video to learn something but this is too vague
I think that the video left out the two most important parts of carrying safely with a round in the chamber: 1) Use a quality poster that completely covers the trigger. 2) Pay attention when reholstering so that no foreign objects (like clothing) come into contact with the trigger. Hammer-fired guns allow you to put your thumb on the hammer to prevent accidental discharge if something does try to actuate the trigger while reholstering. While that is not an option for most striker-fired pistols, Langdon Tactical does sell a Striker Control Device for Glocks that provides "thumb-on-hammer" safety while reholstering.
I'm with @bjs301 below, but for a different reason. I may not have two hands to rack a slide at the moment. Sure, I guess I could work on leg racking, but that really hurts with shorts on. I may have my dog on a leash. I may have a child in my arms. I may be holding back that child or someone else like my wife or girlfriend (or keeping them separated!). If I have a bag of groceries...human nature says I'll be reluctant to simply drop the bag. Too soft of a rack due to instantly sweaty hands can jam up the round and leave you in a different kind of jam. I can't find really any reason to carry empty pipe unless the law specifically states otherwise, which brings up another choice to make. If it is fear, then take the weapon to a gunsmith and let them show you the inner workings and why it can't just 'go off' because you bent over. That 0.15 Delta time on the different kinds of draws can be the difference between life and death. With my arthritic hands, the Delta would be much, much greater. Two tours and 13 years LEO...no, absolutely NO empty chamber here! Good vid.
Great points
The chances of the average person being in those situations are slim to none
Good content. Thanks for posting. No round in the chamber is about the same as I will put my seat belt on as I am getting into the car accident
Accidentally shooting yourself or someone around you because you had a round in the chamber is not the same as putting your seat belt on while driving
@@brandonjohnson1339 my statement was “putting on the seat belt as you are having an accident”. Nothing was said about a seatbelt while driving. I read someplace that FBI statistics say a typical self defense use of a firearm is under three meters, under 3 seconds and 3 rounds fired. If I carry without one in the chamber I will have to draw from concealment, rack the slide, and fire 3 accurate rounds in under 3 seconds. Under extreme stress getting your gun out and deploying it is going to be hard enough, racking the slide adds another chance for things to fail.
@@Rusty_ok for the average person the chances of accidently shooting yourself, someone around you, or having a child get ahold of it are much higher than being in some kind of quick draw scenario
A proper holster removes all fear.
I just got my first 1911 I must admit it’s feels weird walking around with the hammer cocked.
I was 95B/31B and working the road we were not allowed to chamber a round unless a threat was imminent. So we trained to not have a round in the chamber. Deployed we were locked and loaded. This video is very predisposed to carry L&L but as long as you train and comfortable to draw and carry, 1/10 of a second is pretty minute either way. Let's focus on that. Training and Being comfortable your way of carrying.
Yes. Yes you should. In 2005 while we were in Iraq the rules of engagement stated that we were not allowed to chamber a round until openly engaged by the enemy. However we were infantry grunts and didn’t follow such a stupid rule
By comparison your average time with an empty chamber was 0.077 sec slower. Indeed some of your empty chamber times were better than some of your times with a round chambered. For someone who does not train with an empty chamber you're darn good that way.
What do you suggest about DA/SA pistols? Yea, I know, train that way and the first firing will have a heavier trigger pull. But beyond that, what are your thoughts?
That's why my carry gun will be a DA/SA gun. I have an M9 so I'm used to it. Looking at the CZ PCR. No safety, just a decocker.
Per Masad Ayoob, what has happened is something catches the trigger as it's going back into the holster. E.g. a flap of clothing.
The answer to this is just to holster slowly and attentively. Unless youre at war, theres usually not much of a reason to need to put your gun away super fast.
You can also just take your holster off if you have a clip, then holster it pointing in a safe direction and put it on hip/appendix.
There are plenty of people whose final action on earth was attempting to chamber a round.
I am fighting hard to avoid using caps~~I don't effingggggg care how you, or anybody else carries, as long as they do it legally!!!!! Only internet idiots keep bringing this up, mind your own effinnggg business. FTR I carry with a loaded chamber, but that is my choice, let me repeat my choice. I respect the choice of law abiding citizens!
Again with this question. IMHO, if you are carrying and you cannot draw your gun with one hand and pull the trigger to fire it, then you are really just carrying a gun-shaped rock.
99.99% will never have to draw your gun yet the majority will still say carry with a rd in the chamber. I feel like most guys just wanna feel like Rambo for a threat that most likely isn’t even coming.
Should you put your seatbelt on right before a car wreck? Should you go purchase a fire extinguisher after your house is on fire? What makes you assume you'll have the ability to load a round in the heat of the moment? It makes absolutely 0 sense to not carry in condition 1.
Yes, you should carry with one in the chamber. To do otherwise is little better than walking around with a paperweight on your hip.
I've been carrying for over a year and I'm still scared to carry my gun with a round in the chamber.
How often do you hit the range? Getting used to your weapon should help your comfort level with this question.
You shouldn't worry, for the average person, there's really no need to carry with a round in the chamber
@@brandonjohnson1339 We are all average people, until confronted with a possible kill-or-be-killed situation, in which every second counts.
@@vickiroman189 for most people the chances of being in some kind of quick draw scenario are slim to none, what is far more likely to happen is accidentally shooting yourself, someone else, or having a child get ahold of it, so carrying with a round in the chamber is counter productive for most people
@@brandonjohnson1339 In the hands of a carrying person, there should be no accidental discharge.
Just tell the person that's about to assault you. Wait a second! Then don't chamber one! That would be a courtesy world, but we don't live in that world. Being prepared means one in the chamber and ready to go when you pull the trigger!
Nothing against this instructor, but outside of military, law enforcement, or competition shooting, the chance of having to have to draw and fire is practically nonexistent nor would you want to. As for having a round in the chamber, it’s better due to the heat of the moment situations, that being said, maintaining good situational awareness and being in control, you can still rack a round quick enough. Also it can pay not to have a round in the chamber in an ambush situation, where someone knows you’re armed and covertly try’s to gain control of your weapon. The most important things to remember besides training is situational awareness and trigger control for civilian self defense situations.
The only factor that should REALLY have ANY play in this discussion is whether the firearm is keistered or not. That is all.
Great topic, thank you. 💙🇺🇸
Glad you enjoyed it!
My S&W compact Shields have no safety other than my finger not being on the trigger until ready to fire the round that is always chambered.😊
There are some things i disagree with this video (like the position to carry, on body/off body) otherwise a very good overview. Most important thing is training... fight like you train and be comfortable that pistols don't just "go off" by themselves
@@dalepres1 yes.. While in the safe or not in "ready to be used" conditions, I never leave a round chambered due to the possibility of a fire. But to me off body (like satchel or purse carry) is just not fast enough and with lots of possibilities of losing... the risk/reward is just not there.
WHY IS THIS A DEBATE?!
Either be prepared (one in the chamber) or die with regret (needing to load)
Because accidents happen, people die everyday because a round was in the chamber and the chances of accidently shooting yourself, someone else, or having a child get ahold of it are much higher than being in a quick draw scenario in everyday life
Great video and great points. I currently don’t carry with one in the chamber. I need to start training with a round in the chamber before I do carry.
I honestly think it sounds more like you need some professional training. You don't have the confidence to carry yet. I was the same way for about two weeks when I first started carrying.
Thankfully, I had private training and after about a month of that, I was confident enough to carry with one in the chamber, and no manual safety.
Seriously, how much is your life worth to you? Even three or five basic concealed carry classes will take you very far and probably help you avoid going to prison or worse.
@@deebee4575 Thank you, that is excellent advice. I just joined a shooting range who offers classes. I will definitely will take you advice.
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@@SteveHinrichs Do it, friend. Trust me, you need it. Everyone does.
I carry with one in the chamber, but I also have a thumb safety on my P365
Where does this instructor teach, he is awesome.
Thank you! @defensestrategiesgroup in Los Angeles
Round in the chamber. If a user isn't confident that it's safe, that user should get training.
not having one in the head is like putting your seat-belt on AFTER an accident
If you have a proper holster and training yes if not... no... simple I wish everyone would stop making videos about this it's annoying
If the perp gets the drop on you and you take a round to your support side arm,hand, or whatever you are screwed for racking the gun. I can’t believe you would not mention that. It’s tactical defense 101.
Also remember, modern striker fire guns have firing pin blocks. Some people don't know this but that little lever that sits on the trigger not only helps to prevent something from catching the edge and pulling the trigger, but it actually moves the firing pin block out of the way so that the gun can fire. This is just one more layer of safety that prevents the gun from going off if it is dropped or hit hard. The firing pin physically cannot strike the primer unless that little lever on the trigger is pulled. This is why a gun sitting securely inside a hard Kydex holster which completely covers the trigger guard is impossible to go off.
Unless it’s a P320 before the fix. IJS
As long as there is a comment section, there will be no end to any debate.
@@wannabecarguy True
The little lever shouldn't move the block itself, the trigger does, once it's pulled to a certain extent. The lil lever actually blocks the trigger from moving in general on most models that have that lever. But if it's depressed, the trigger can now move, and the trigger itself removes the internal safety blocks.
@@AndiRose21 I agree
You should always have a round in the chamber if you are carrying anywhere outside of your own shower.
“Israeli carry” 👀 for the comment section lol 🤷♂️
When I first started to carry I was one of those that was afraid to carry with one chambered. After a few times at the range and outdoors I became comfortable that it will not fire without the trigger being pulled. I do still test a new gun for my own confidence. I own a few different ones that range from (budget) to a trusty Glock. I am now one that is a firm believer of being "Ready" at all times with the hope that I will never have to be. I have read and watched countless hours of opinions and research on the matter.
I don't know your idea of a budget firearm, but, from what I have seen online everywhere and at retail in my area a glock of any caliber is always cheaper than most models. Unless your idea of budget gun is a $250 piece of trash.
Also glocks break down just like the rest. It is not the end all be all of firearms. I don't put a price tag onmy life or the ones I care about. It's not about the money for me. It's about reliability. Glocks are great. So are S&W's. So are Sig Sauers. There are many out there. Chose wisely the one that's right for you. I never tell others what to buy. Just to go to the range and rent some that tickle their fancy and within their budget, but I always think about reliability first. It has to go pop when you need it to.
Snob much???? Just because it may not be 500 plus does not make it trash. And I mention glock as a recognized trusty firearm over your version of "trash". But by all means throw a months wages at a pretty brand name with pretty colors on it.
@-USCCA- Yo!
Actually the difference is not that significant,.. If you were to train for racking the slide it would be even closer… And yes I do carry with one in the chamber so I’m not arguing for an unchambered gun.
if you are afraid to carried with on it the chamber, dont carry a gun. just have police on speed dial and hopefully the criminals will cut you a break
I’m amazed that he is only 1/10 of a sec more to rack.
He kinda made the case FOR israeli carry.
If you don't feel safe with one in chamber...leave it home and take a knife without a blade and you'll feel safer...🤪😎
Love this new content. Great lessons!
From the distance you will be firing off that first round and the time your aggressor can close that distance, I would suggest carrying one in the chamber
Not carrying one in the chamber is akin to carrying with a safety on
You must, as you indicate, overcome that fear through training and muscle memory
I’ve never heard of any self inflicted wounds in appendix caused by anything other than operator error
16 years of military and combat experience has taught me what works when required and what doesn’t
You can make it mentally comfortable for you through training and muscle memory to the point carrying it any other way is uncomfortable
Unfortunately, most do not train enough with their carry handgun and switch them out too often for consistency in training ✌️
Hold on please so I can load my gun. Thank you mr murderer.
I would never carry one in the chamber as a bigger dude my fear is when i draw i may inadvertently depress the trigger and its happened to me on one occasion [Walther PPK carrying open bent over and bang]...so ive trained the Israeli drill and one handed shooting which might be a half a second slower but much safer imo.
That sounds more like a holster issue.
Bad idea to not carry with one in the pipe. You may not have a free hand to even rack the slide.
I can rack my slide on my belt. I was able to before I got an optic. Now it’s easier. I carry empty for the simple reason I always practice my draw.
@@benjaminlong2837 Try doing that when someone's attacking you and you need that gun, there's a really good chance they'll end up with your gun.
I had to draw one handed against two meth addicts a couple years ago, there's no way I'd have had time to rack the slide hoping I hit my belt buckle under duress.
Statically it's safer to carry without one in the chamber
So I assume the same lesson/process you demoed in this video would apply to carrying with a round in the chamber but the safety is engaged!?!?!. Will add some time to the drawing/firing and 2.Practice how one carries.
Yes
This is a stupid debate. Carry with one in the chamber, or it may very well cost you or someone else their life.
I don't know - according to Alex Baldwin his gun went off by itself; he NEVER pulled the trigger! The handgun had a mind of its own!
Sure, Alex.
No round in the chamber makes as much sense as a fire extinguisher that needs to be filled and charged before use.
If you had said it is like carrying a fire extinguisher with the safety pin still in it vs having it out, then yes it is similar. My guess is that your pin IS in your fire extinguisher!
@@Iam1uglyguy Nah, pin is like safety on. And I like to carry with safety on, but I grew up having to take off the safe, and my thumb has that muscle memory as I get on target, so I'm not so concerned.
Not choosing sides here, but just pointing out the fact that it's takes much much much longer to charge a fire extinguisher than it does to rack a firearm
Funny thing is that many of the folks saying carrying without a rd in the chamber is dumb are the same people who tell you appendix carrying is dumb because it’s “more dangerous”. It’s ironic af because if you carry with no rd there is zero danger no matter what position…
Not really. It takes seven hundredths of a second to rack the slide. It takes a lot longer than seven hundredths of a second to fill and charge a fire extinguisher.
Sigs have a firing pin block. The trigger has to be depressed for the firing pin to move forward. You are not going to set your sig off bending over, or dropping it on the hammer. The hammer will shear off before it will fire. It’s 1 of 4 passive safeties.
Except the original 320s lol
I don't like carryinga Glock charged, Im just afraid if I get into a tussle the person trying to take me down will grab where the trigger is, depending on the holster. IMHO
Apparently you don't understand english.
I prefer a safety, that's what I grew up with when pretty much all handguns had safties, meaning autos of course. If I don't have time to flip a safety I should get out of combat zone I found myself in.
I prefer a safety, that's what I grew up with when pretty much all handguns had safties, meaning autos of course. If I don't have time to flip a safety I should get out of combat zone I found myself in.
I didn't realize you all were wise asses there, maybe you can pay my fee when UT runs out next time because I won't. Is that good enough English for you?
Is there a reason why he points down and then up after shooting?
END Debate - if you want to cool, if you DONT want to cool !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I have two pistols I can keep with me. One is a 9mm that I keep a round in the chamber. The reason is I have a hard time racking the slide. I also have a 22lr that I do not keep a round in the chamber because I can easily rack the slide.
If you can’t master keeping you finger outside of the trigger guard, then you shouldn’t carry with one in the chamber. Accidentally discharge is normally the person drawing his/her weapon with their finger on the trigger while drawing their weapon
If people could be prefect then yes
Why is this even still a discussion. Of course carry chambered.
Or how about the Rambo’s that leave a round in the chamber for the kid to find in the house?
@@dalepres1 zero small children will rack the slide. Zero. And you are going to “train” (lol) every kid that walks in your house? Whatever
If the pistol has a safety, I would carry a round in the chamber.... I wonder how many people
have shot themselves in the foot or blew a hole in their floor boards of their cars????
An external manual safety does not prevent negligence! Ask Tex Grebner, who shot himself with a 1911: ruclips.net/video/zYvAxLX6OzE/видео.html
If you dont carry with a round chambered why even carry
The only thing I believe you fail to mention is if someone's carrying a weapon and they have the safety on as well as not having one in the chamber, to me that's a death sentence if you're in a situation, would love to see you draw a weapon remove the safety then rack it then shoot, personally I carry One in the Chamber no safety, appendix carry
Very true. Highly recommend not using guns with a Safety on them.
Your initial premise that people who carry without one in the chamber do so because they have an irrational fear of the gun spontaneously firing is a complete strawman argument.
The reason to carry with an empty chamber is to limit accidental discharges when the firearm is *OUT* of the holster for any reason other than a self defense scenario and there are statistics to back that idea up, when you carry with one in the chamber there is a much greater risk that somebody pulls the trigger not knowing that it’s loaded.
Facts.
I love Israel, but "Israeli carry" (empty chamber) is STUPID.
I know people that do t chamber a round. They literally think the gun itself is protection. Also it’s nice that statistically they will never find out how wrong they are
Shorten this video to 3 seconds. 1 in the chamber? Yes. Thank you
I don’t know anything about putting a round in my camber, but I definitely carry a round in my chamber.
Didn't notice that typo lol
The situation shown assumes your attacker is coming from the front from a distance that would allow you the use of both arms. If jumped or engaging at close quarters you are more than likely going to have to use one arm to create space while drawing, and discharging your weapon close to your body with the other.