Well if you're a content creator and you make money off of it you better keep receipts of everything especially because of taxes. So there's no doubt about it that he would have the receipt or at least a digital version of it if he use his card.
@@Higley1234doesn’t matter, he didn’t steal the set, the company sent him the wrong set. No matter how you look at it, invading a private consumers home to rectify a mistake a megacorp made is dystopian.
Legally speaking, this would have had to be handled in small claims court. Point blank without a court order, and a sheriff doing the actual confiscation, this was blatant burglary. A private company's contractual agreements with retailers have no legal power against a consumer. If they used intimidation to enter and acquire, this is armed burglary. Whoever at wizards sent them is complicit in an armed burglary. This is a lawsuit and jail time for many people involved. This RUclipsr needs to lawyer up.
I hope they do lawyer up this company shouldn't be allowed to get away with this so easily even if they do lose the court case it'd still be a stain they couldn't remove with fake smiles and dishonest apologies
Absolute nonsense What actually happened: they knocked on his door and asked are you in possession of X? If so, you are not supposed to be as it is not publicly available yet and you need to return it immediately. Then he returned it to them. Thank goodness the guy in this case had more common sense than you do.
@@-NlGHTMARE Wouldn't do any good, they took the only leverage he had. Their reputation doesn't matter and any damages he would receive would get eaten by court costs.
This sets a dangerous precedent, especially for more historically cruel companies. Imagine Nintendo sending you an unreleased ultra rare on accident and you wake up to see John Wick looming over you.
Nintendo tends to stick to the boundaries of law though. They won’t even touch Smash because of how much criminal activity there has been in the community
Hiring a private security company to solve an illegal issue like this would most definitely be considered vigilantism. There’s no way this wasn’t a federal crime and this boy better be lawyering up.
Not even illegal of the youtubers part, he was sold items with no Ill intention, once he paid for and received them they are 100% his to do whatever they want with them. WotC have a problem with their distributors. That's where the problem is.
what's an illegal issue? oh you mean how he made a video on the leaked cards? yeah maybe they should have just DMCA'd his video like a normal company would. as for vigilantism I'm not sure sure, as this isn't super different from some other types of agents like debt collectors. you have to remember there was no "raid", they only used words and not force. it's legal to ask and demand things from people.
@@JewTube001 you need to check the laws. He bought a product in good faith and had no intention of breaking any laws, nor did he, he just open his items. First sale doctrine. You pay for it, its yours. Someone else screwed up and that maybe a problem, but the end point customer did not.
A lawyer would laugh at him are you kidding? They didn’t beat him they asked for the cards back and he gave them to them. Was it shitty? Yes. Was it illegal? Not even slightly.
Warhammer 40k had a large leak last month in a similar way; basically, there's this character named Dante. He had an old model that someone ordered, and he was sent a new, as of yet unreleased model. Dante is important (I mean he has his own model so you can assume) character, so you can guess that this sent a buzz through the community. A day or two later, Games Workshop (the company behind warhammer) release his previews, stating in a tweet that "We couldn't stop him from deploying early! 👀" They were probably going to announce him at their yearly convention in a couple weeks, and while they had much bigger things to announce that hadn't been spoiled, it's nice that they took it in stride.
@@reshie if you want to ruin your chances at having a good mood today, then check out the history of the Pinkertons, especially their involvment in Union Busting There's a reason why they were such moustache-twirling douchebags in RDR2 and that game's representation of them is MILD in comparison to real life atrocities committed by them
I love how the government can send you money by accident and Ask for it back nicely before they do anything. But you get a card box by accident be ready for Arthur Morgan’s ops to show up.
@@martymcfly8535 they didn't say the pinkertons were working for the government, they were just remarking on the absurdity if the fact that fucking up with a card game company gets you a visit by fucking detectives to employ intimidation tactics like you're a criminal over a mistake they didn't even do.
Seto Kaiba had the decency to attempt "diplomacy" by personally offering a suitcase full of money (his pride wouldn't let him half-ass a trade with a mix of actual currency and fake bills, and we already know how far he'll go financially to send a message). It's only AFTER the failed act of "diplomacy" that he would strong-arm the owner into some children's card game in order to win the card in a duel...or something. ... Now that I think about it, Kaiba would NEVER do this. At the very least, he'd punish whoever made the gaffe on his company's end without giving the RUclipsr a second thought. If he REALLY needed to get it back, he'd fly over to the dude's house in his BEWD jet and just ask for it back, probably with a suitcase full of cash to sweeten the deal. Worst-case scenario: he'd challenge you to a duel or fight you for it. The point is this: Kaiba would deal with major gaffes personally and in the most extravagant spectacle possible.
you know, a simple "can you please send these cards back, we believe there was a mistake" or something along those lines would have probably worked fine.
Or just a simple "Hey remove the video, you leaked stuff" or ANYTHING but this? This is so stupid. They could have even tried to talk to him first but nope... sending the heavy boys in.
If you believe WOTC's statement they tried to contact him but he never responded to their email. Either way, escalating right away to hiring a bunch of armed thugs to intimidate him is extremely shitty.
Exactly, they could have said "hey man, could you either send the cards back and we'll send you double what your were supposed to get or you can keep them but you must not publish them online or we will sue (they have now legal recourse to demand them back, they are his property now) but the video has to come down".
“Dutch! The Pinkertons are here ! What the hell did you do?” “Now, listen, Arthur: all I did was receive some trading cards. We sell ‘em and we’re on the fast-track to Tahiti”
Companies and corporations run most countries, they write or influence most laws. They actively work against the population and the planet to have a never ending increase in profits (which is impossible) The only thing that will change this is constant, active protests. A revolution. And likely a class based civil war. 1% against all the rest. It is frightening and depressing.
They can't, they just know the average person won't file a lawsuit. The only difference between bankruptcy and a successful business is that business burning the wrong person
So let me get this correct, Wizard's of the Coast sent a private group to invade a person's home and threaten him since he revealed a new booster pack early WHICH WAS THEIR MISTAKE and he still been nice, dude should really sue. Edit: I didn't know the Pinkertons was so serious and had a really bad reputation, this proves how much a gentleman that dude was.
Hes got a full case and zero fingers on his balls. They released a pack early by mistake that a clerical error, it wasn't communicated to him not to release information on it. Sending pmc goons to someone's house is against the law, illegal search and entry, threatening. My friend, no amount of corporate money will save them from this, one lawyer half asleep could win this case, all this guy needs is time, money isn't even a factor here. They also can't drag this out, as thus also involves a legal private defense company. This could easily end wizards and this pmc group.
Imagine he also was a gun owner and defended his property not knowing who was raiding him.. This could have been a loss of life over cards. He needs to sue!
This is a good point thank you mentioning it. With the reputation of the company it very easily could’ve ended horribly, I’m glad it didn’t next step is lawyering up.
Discovering the Pinkertons have a website from this story with the front page saying "Our Story: Tracing our roots back to 1850"- absolutely mind melting insanity
Moral of the story: DO NOT answer your door for people you are unfamiliar with. Find out who they are and why they are at your door. Unless they have a warrant and they declare themselves, you never have to open your door for anyone.
Unfortunately if you don't answer the door and it's like, the cops? (in the US, anyway, the cops /should/ announce it's them, but recent lawsuits/ deaths have said otherwise, officers getting on paid leave for killing people in their homes). They could just get shot. Doesn't matter what they did. I want to know why it's legal for a company to hire people, no warrant, no nothing, and just show up and absolutely brutalize someone/take their stuff etc etc. I know why, though. It's because our supreme court ruled that corporations have more legal rights than we do. sigh..
he could easily have shot 1 of them dead, hold the other guy at gun point while calling the police about a home invasion and attempted armed robbery...
@@Temuldjin attempted? This was an armed robbery. In the United States, if a company sends you a product by accident, then you don't have to do diddly about it. At best this is handled in small claims court.
@@spaxxor Yes, in the scenario i described: " if he had shot the 1 guy and civil arrested the other at gun point and called the cops " it would have been attempted.
Ikr? How hard would it have been to just say "Dude we accidentally sent you this package, it was amistake and through these reasons you can't use them" EZ! But noooooooo they had go Terminator instead, I wonder if this was a set up to flex some muscle to show how much control they have?
Games Workshop accidentally sent an unreleased model to a guy and, rather than raid the guy’s house, simply announced the product to the public in order to beat the leak
i didn’t even know the pinkertons were real when i played the game, i was shocked when i found out they existed at all. hearing they still exist and still operate in accordance with major companies is pretty terrifying
Take the time to learn some history, they were so bad that it had to be signed into law with the Anti-Pinkerton Act of 1893 that the U.S. Government can not hire from the Pinkerton organization or similar organizations. They were so bad that the law to limit the federal government's uses of PMCs is named after them.
Have we reached a point where the Pinkertons are now just known as Red Dead enemies and nobody remembers the whole Andrew Carnegie strikebreaking thing? I’ve never played Red Dead, so that’s all I knew about them.
Between this, Nintendo's antics lately, and other mad actions in the gaming/nerd space, huge corporations are going above and beyond wild over the silliest shit. It's freaking insane the level of power they have, and the scare tactics they're willing to use over the pettiest things. Far more serious, but no less crazy: Bobby Kotick, a man rich and powerful enough to follow through on this, once threatened to have someone killed. Hardly anyone talks about that though, thus proving these people and corporations really can just get away with doing this kind of shit.
That voicemail was literally 30 years ago, the statement was made hyperbolically, and the case was settled out of court. What more is there to talk about? Or maybe you just like pitchforks?
@@theendofthestart8179 I don't think you know what the word literally means. It happened in 2006, which is NOT "literally 30 years ago" and it came out only in the last couple of years. "The case was settled out of court" is code for he's rich and powerful enough to get away with it. That + the rest of his shady dealings (being linked to Jeffry Epstein being one of them) + leading a company with a toxic work culture, I don't know why you're be inclined to defend the dude.
The fact they raided someone house instead of send an apology letter which is FAR MORE EASIER than the formal absolutely show that they are would rather causes as much torment to THEIR fans as possible than just apologising and take back
This does not diminish any of the actions, but the fact that they did this to a public figure means that they _knew_ that this was going public, no matter what. They wanted this to be public, this is a Nintendo move. Also as mentioned above, US Law says that because they sent it to him, everything was now legally his. No ifs or buts. Legally, worst they could've done if he didn't return the cards was likely to blackball and disallow him from buying from distributors or participate on events.
This is something I'd expect Games Workshop or Nintendo to do, not WotC. MtG is more cutthroat than I remember. Granted the last time I got a new booster pack, it was 2008.
@@fistovuzi seen this several times already. There was one that was posted after like 5 mins and almost instantly has 500 likes, the video it was under was practically brand new also. So there is a 99% chance that the likes are botted too
Any Other Company: "He accidentally got cards early and we don't want this information out yet? Eh, just send a cease and desist letter. That'll take care of it." Wizards of the Coast: *"We're about to end this man's career... and maybe life."*
@@theendofthestart8179 are you new to the English language? Obviously they can get away with it, but no one ever uses that phrase literally. "They can't get away with it," is always used in place of "That's wrong and we really shouldn't be letting that slide"
@@Meowthixadly ain't ever gonna happen. Ppl will go "I'll never support them ever again ever!!!!;??;;!!!!!!" And then 2 months later they release D&D Story Book "Hondura's Treasure" featuring a new brand of furry race and they're back to buying 12 of them.
It's so evil them it seems like they are pretending to be nice to him offering products and apologizing only in private but not in public. Trying to trick him into accepting compensation so he can't get them in trouble, and not wanting to publicly admit fault. While I am no lawyer I wouldn't be surprised if they're are just trying to get out of a lawsuit where they did something extremely illegal that would likely constitute jail time and insanely hefty fines Based off the story I hope people end up in jail
@@FlabbyTabby I don't even think he did anything wrong pretty sure if a company accidentally sends you something you legally own it. Think it's that way to prevent scams where companies send you extra stuff and then make you pay for it
@@FlabbyTabby It's an MTG collector... He doesn't have the spine to do something even remotely close to that. There will be no lawsuit because he's a simp.
They're legally required to compensate the man for the goods if he willing returned them however if he was intimidated by a brute squad then it would be duress and WOTC are still able to get in legal trouble for this unlawful seizure.
If anybody was unsure a private detective agency doesn't have the legal authority to do this. They could potentially be charged with a strong-arm robbery.
Love the video man, it was definitely a shock when they showed up I’m a history buff and knew exactly who they were and how dangerous they are, and no they didn’t have a warrant.
@@oldschoolmtg That’s some crazy stuff man… I’m no lawyer, but I think you have a very strong case for a lawsuit on your hands. But above all, stay safe. Hope you and your wife are okay, and you don’t catch anymore illegal raids from Hasbro.
I’d try to sue them, I’d crowd fund and go after them. That is insane. That’s intimidating, threatening, and stealing. He was sent the wrong thing, that’s on them.
To be clear, legally speaking, once a company sends you a product, IT IS YOURS. Period. This is an actual law in the USA. It's original intent was to stop a type of scam where companies would send people more than they ordered, then force the customer to pay for the extra. So those were 100% his boxes and WotC had ZERO right to them. I don't specifically know if those intimidation tactics were illegal, but I'd suspect they would be.
My personal thought is that it isn't illegal, unless they threatened them. And if they willingly gave up the boxes, they are no longer theirs. It's scummy, but I doubt anything could happen from this. And sadly, WOTC has been shitty for a long time, and not nearly enough people care enough to stop giving htem money. So alas, the world continues as it is.
@@Fractured676 Them being there alone is enough to make a duress argument in court. Legally speaking, you can’t make agreements, sign contracts, etc, if you’re under duress while you did so. Given that they had a private police force show up at his house, he would be legally considered under duress when he relinquished the boxes, therefore the relinquishment of the boxes is seen as illegal / not valid.
@@Useless22 Yeah it would different if they just had a PR guy go to his house and request the product back, but they sent, of all people, the Pinkertons. The Pinkertons whose most recent news-worthy action was one of their contractors shot and killed a protestor for hitting him and spraying beer in his face. Unfortunately they tried for too high of a charge with not enough small charges and the charges were dropped. They mostly do PI work for companies concerned about their workers looking to unionize. Most recently they hooked up security cams to spy on Amazon warehouse workers and Starbucks employees, both groups looking to unionize. If a company hires the Pinkertons, know that they hate you and their workers.
And I thought joining with Hasbro and removing Fair Use on their content, thus destroying 30 years of trust from the community was as low as they would go. No. Sending a hit squad after someone is apparently and option for them.
@fenix144 The Anti-Pinkerton Act was a law passed by the U.S. Congress in 1893 to limit the federal government's ability to hire private investigators or mercenaries. If you want the legal definition here..
@fenix144 The anti Pinkerton Act was passed because the line between Hitman and mercenary was gray. They were literally hitman who committed atrocities so bad they had to make a law about it. No more elaboration is needed "private investigators or Mercenaries" is Verbatim what the law says.
Update: oldschool mtg posted an update saying his neighbors had asked about what happened because the Pinkerton were going door to door asking information about him and saying he had an “appointment” with them etc. he’s now no longer playing it cool and said he doesn’t know what his next step is but after hearing that from neighbors he’s tired of “playing it cool” about it
@mburg33 would you be happy if thry sent essentially a firm that has killed people in the past to your door? I would be absolutely furious that they didn't even bother trying to open a line of communication beforehand.
I couldn't imagine being the Pinkertons going to some guys house and getting back some cards. They've probably been part of some of history's biggest events yet got called in to take back some cardboard
Well could be that the cards were actually top level secret card weapons that could even steal souls (like seal of orichalcos in yugioh). lol but yeah just goes to show how they fell
Hiring Pinkertons out of all companies is such a specific symbolic move that just instantly screams "hey, we're the bad guys and we don't care that you know it." As for the legal side of things, they probably worded everything in way that doesn't make them liable in court. Technically they just asked him to give them willingly back and just made him aware of all the legal possibilities of the situation and he obliged or something like that. Maybe skilled legal team could turn this into blackmailing or something but chances of that happening are small and only after long and expensive legal battle he cannot afford.
@@bibsp3556 you’re forgetting that wotc is a multimillion dollar corporation, and he’s one guy. All they have to do is drag the case out for a few years until he physically can’t pay the lawyer anymore
@@bibsp3556 Courts have an exact solution in that regard anyways: If you give away an item while under duress, your decision is effectively treated the same as if you had someone with a severe mental disability do it as well (basically meaning you weren't "competent" enough to make the decision). Given the mere presence of the Pinkertons with their reputation, the fact they might've threatened oldschoolMTG with legal action (and maybe physical violence too), and that the Pinkertons are a known PMC/PI firm (so people would assume armed too), MTG's decision to give over the cards could pretty easily be found by the court to not be "legally binding" and that Wizards would be forced to give back the cards due to an effective "He wasn't thinking clearly enough to make the decision knowingly and willingly." Either way, if MTG decided to sue Wizards from this (and assuming Wizards didn't just pull some stupid BS of delaying the lawsuit until MTG ran out of money, though that problem can be easily remedied through donation campaigns), no amount of super lawyers could save Wizards from this.
@Doomweapon66 that would be my argument. An entity with a reputation of disregard for both the law and the wellbeing and rights of the people they target would be open to such accusations. At least where i am, "under duress" means non-consent. And it wouldnt be hard to argue that you were intimidated given their past. Ya reap what you sow.
@@theonewhouploadsnothing1704 He said he got these items in a mailing error basically. Then they got a warrant for his home to take these items saying that he had stolen goods. The warrant was given with false information which makes me think that he has a pretty good case against them assuming all that is true.
I thought when he said the Pinkertons it was gonna be a joke like “haha detectives came” not the actual most evil ‘detective agency’ that has ever existed.
The most ridiculous part about all this is that the leak will stay online anyway. Like what was the point of taking the cards away from him and have him delete the videos when all the leaks already happened anyway? The cards are literally listed on mythicspoiler, the most common source for ppl to look up new cards xD
In WotC's mind this move made perfect sense. Someone was like: "Hey I know, let's hire the Pinkertons, then we'll let our players, employees and store owners know to what lenghts we'll go to make sure leakers are punished. That should scare 'em." 😂 They clearly wanted to intimidate not just this guy and his wife but any future leaker. That was their genius idea. "See? We'll do this to you too if you leak our stuff! So don't do it." Unfortunately for them this will probably increase the likelihood that more people leak or steal their product out of spite.
Not out of spite, out of the fact that they don't want to give money to the WotC shithole We're gonna see a major uptick in illegally-copied cards, and people will intentionally buy those so they don't have to feed the unionbusters' sugar daddies As for leaks, it may have a temporary decrease in leaks around the event but the amount of leaks will start climbing later, reaching higher than the original amount
I thought legally in the US once a company sends you something even accidentally it is yours? Something about preventing scams where companies would send too much and make people pay for the excess or to haul it off. Either way this should probably be illegal and I hope people go to jail over it
You are correct. It's called FTC laws, and they basically say that 'if something is sent to you its yours', so long as it doesn't have the wrong address or name on it.
The Pinkerton's used to bust unions and labor disputes back when unions first came around. Multiple cases of them opening fire into crowds of men, women, and children along with other massacres. In case anyone was curious about what Charlie was talking about
And they have the audacity to sue over their appearance in RDR to protect their reputation.. like.. you want a better reputation? Change your name.. that name is never going to be forgotten by the people who know about it.
The fact that a company can just do something like this is insane and should be illegal. There should absolutely be criminal charges pressed, but there won’t be. I would at least sue the nuts off WotC, but I understand that the financial investment required for a person to pursue a lawsuit against a huge company like this is part of the reason why companies can get away with it.
Not only that but companies like these don’t give a shit about giving someone a pay day if it doesn’t affect their profits. Just look at how many lawsuits Walmart has had to pay
@shortking The way you get around court fees with a case this cut and dry is finding a law firm that won't charge for a lost suit, but will take a percentage of the monetary compensation awarded on a successful case.
It both makes me giggle and scares me how many people do not know who the Pinkertons were, they were massive in union busting back in the early 1900's when people were trying to get worker's rights like a 2 day weekend, 40 hour work week, and safety laws. They would legitimately do things similar to this, but with more knee cap breaking or burning down of houses.
Think I'll hire them next time someone gets shitty with me on internet comments, life used to be a lot more civil when knee caps were being sledgehammered.
On the one hand, I really want to see this guy bring a fat juicy lawsuit against the company for such an insane and petty crime. On the other hand, if they were willing to send the goddamn Pinkertons to a guy's house just for possessing a card pack they didn't want getting leaked, I imagine the company wouldn't be that far above sending actual hitmen to threaten him and his family into dropping the charges.
Which is why I think the government itself should pursue a racketeering charge, or unjust vigilantism against wizards of the coast. What the fuck is wizards of the Coast going to do threaten the government with an assassin?
Between Nintendo sentencing that one pirate to indentured servitude, and now Hasbro sending PMCs to detain customers who received the wrong product because of Hasbro’s incompetence, I think we’re on the verge of something really cool. I played Cyberpunk and thought it was cool so I’m glad to see these corporations take some initiative and really fulfill the role of becoming the Megacorps we see featured so prominently in dystopic works. This is cool because I will be just like David Martinez fr fr on god when the time comes, and I will get a cool cyberpunk girlfriend.
I already know I’m going to be exactly like Johnny Silverhand when the time comes. I have to be, who else could I possibly be? My 1,000,000 hours on Cyberpunk are all the credentials I need.
Sorry guys but there will be no cyberpunk girlfriends since me and the rest of the girls can't afford the chrome body mods and latex dresses. Instead we're heading down to find the local homeless guy who sleeps on a pile of newspapers to get our complimentary 7 jackets, black beanies and fingerless gloves. You can join us but only if you grow a 1ft long greying beard and bring 15 empty beer bottles to decorate the flaming barrel we'll all be standing around.
@@ninjafrog6966 No, this is just a WotC thing. Even though we all joke that Nintendo would sue a family just because they had a kid dying from cancer who's named Mario, even Nintendo doesn't actually send mercenaries to go and threaten you to get their precious toys back. Though given the way Nintendo acts, you'd think they have hit squads to end families just because 1 person dared to think of naming their kid Mario.
My grandfather told me stories of when his grandad (he was a confederate veteran, 3rd Arkansas regiment) had run ins with the pinkertons after the civil war. He hated them. He used to keep am old colt revolver at his side and when asked what it was for he always said Pinkertons........I havent thought of the pinketons in years. You brought back some old memories, good memories. Thank you for that.
There was a similar case with games workshop recently. Someone was sent an unreleased model. They just made a comedic post saying something like even them couldn’t prevent Dante from deploying early. They demonstrated great restrain by not raiding his house with legions of tanks and genetically augmented soldiers
This is crazy. WOTC ought to be ashamed of themselves at the very least! Glad you are covering this, there needs to be eyes on this. Can you believe this is how WOTC treats their FANS? WTF???
Companies do it all the time. Coca cola has death squads that raped and murdered factory workers in Guatamela in South America who wanted to strike. McDonald's launched a mass media hate campaign against elderly woman who had her genitals scorched by a mishandling of their employee. Disney funds the war industry It's Capitalism. "How can they treat us like this?" Money. That's all it is. Pursuit of infinite wealth, infinite Capital above all else. Anything, no matter what, as long as it gets money. It's evil
This is really interesting to hear since Hasbro, who own wizards of the coast has been letting a youtuber called PrimeVsPrime get away with openly reviewing stolen transformers products for years and I don't just mean weeks before release, I'm talking weeks or even months before a product is announced officially. not only does he get thousands of views from this but Hasbro has recently partnered with him
We used to joke back in the day when a "rules lawyer" complained about making up our own rules, we'd say "It's not like TSR/Wizards of the Coast is going to send hired goons to your house!" Of all companies to do this.. It's almost poetic.
I mean... are we REALLY surprised that the company that almost ruined Dungeons and Dragons overnight with a few sentences hired these people to resolve this?
I’d imagine a lawyer or a sheriff would be enough to deal with it, but sending in a PMC is ensuring that even less people will be willing to support their product
3:49 Given how dystopian it is for a corporation to be sending a PMC, it makes me scared to think what they did to those who screwed up in distribution lmao.
Only dystopian in places with strict gun laws. In Texas almost everyone is a one man PMC, so the Pinkertons wouldn't work at all, as they'd end up with a bullet in the head.
I expressed my sheer displeasure in the official mtg discord and it was deleted for being “problematic”. What a disgusting company. I wish Id never given them my money
This exact mixup happened with a guy who ordered a warhammer 40k model. Even with gw being an openly vicious company, they just used the leak as a reason to release the new model
"By law, companies can’t send unordered merchandise to you, then demand payment. That means you never have to pay for things you get but didn’t order. You also don’t need to return unordered merchandise. You’re legally entitled to keep it as a free gift." That is straight from the Federal Trade Commission website. WotC knew this. They knew they were in the wrong, otherwise they would have called the police and had it taken care of for free. Instead they payed mercenaries to lie to/threaten/rob him. WotC blatantly broke the law and should be sued into the ground.
Imagine being sent what can honestly be called a corporate mafia and going "Oh but the person on the phone was really nice and apologised and might even send me a few boxes of cards" It takes a certain kind of stupid to think that is a normal or acceptable thing, maybe he will realize once he has slept on it but his video after the situation basically kills any lawsuit.
I hate to break it to you, but wotc players are the most whipped hobbyists on the face of the earth. They will look at you straight in the face and tell you that there’s nothing wrong with gambling thousands in booster packs or paying 1k to have a single good deck to play a game with.
In terms of the wizard rep being nice there’s a strong chance that the dude just reached a random customer service rep working at a third part call center who of course would be totally confused and appalled by this situation
The latest reminder all these companies are crazy and evil. People forget because they produce things they like or occasionally make a tweet or something positively that costs them nothing.
Reminder that corporations have been getting away with this shit since the heights of the robber-baron era. They've just usually done it in ways that don't make the news (or at least news hobbbyist fandoms care about).
When he said the Pinkertons were sent, I thought it was just another one of his silly jokes The Absolute shock I experienced when I saw they legitimately did send the Pinkertons is equal to that of the shock experienced by those who watched the end scene to Invincible episode 1
@@bdhhsgbyddhggg yeah go ahead and do that, while you’re at it make sure to educate past you on reading obvious hints at things, especially when they’re glariny obvious. Oooh and a side course on sarcasm and how to use it couldn’t hurt.
@@acewmd. Sure thing bud While I’m doing that, educate yourself on how to not be a dick about everything all the time and when to just stay quiet Clearly it’s a lesson you need
@@bdhhsgbyddhggg oh will that happen before you’ve taught yourself not to post your lack of observational skills for all to see while making a shitty comparison, or will it be after you bitch and whine over how butt hurt such a comment made you. Oh oh will it be after you’ve gone back in time yet again and fixed yourself as an apology for merely existing. The lack of any question marks should not throw you off, these are all rhetorical. I know you need that pointed out to you since you’ve made it clear you can’t understand anything even remotely subtle and instead need it told to you in as direct a manner as possible and even then, let’s be honest, you probably still won’t get it.
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate the fact the Pinkertons haven't rebranded and just use their straight up name as a "legitimate" business while still doing shakedowns? It's like hiring the Gambino's and their motto being "eh we do consulting but if you want to make it look like a fuckin accident with your issues, let's says it'll be a shame when they find the body"
I have already been avoiding a lot of WotC stuff as of late but it may be time for the community at large to just turn our backs on WotC and let them figure out how to bring us back when their stock price falls off a cliff.
@Risotto Pose yeah if you check his messages, he has this whole bit of being kind of mentally deficient in some way. That or he just loves blindly protecting corporations no matter what.
anyone`s shocked at WotC at this time? a much needed boycott for years of bad service, FOMO strategies, devaluing products and brand, and now, allegedly, burglary against FANS. what else is there to achieve WoTC?
I'd be suing the shit out of WoTC if this happened to me. They had absolutely no grounds to raid someone's home to recover goods that were accidentally sent to him because someone in their own distribution system fucked up.
It feels very illegal to me tbh. The man bought the cards through legal means and it’s not his fault they sent him the wrong shit. Using private thugs to shake him down to get them back is crazy
@Aurinkomakkara high value, low worth. They have a large value due to artifical scarcity, it's really just paper, cardboard, and plastic so it's not all that uncommon of materials, but humans have deemed it of high value, while it's actual worth is low due to its materials. I get some people willing to pay the price for high value low worth cards, ik I have things like that for me. At the end of the day though, a card that has a strange monster on it being sold for $100+ USD is silly to me
As consumers, we don't hold companies accountable anymore for any bad actions. They keep doing things like this because no matter what they do, there always seems to be a brain dead portion of the population who continue to support companies like wizards of the coast and Nintendo.
@@Acktopaf FTC probably would be forced to give Wizards a good bonk on the head over this Pinkerton issue in particular but in the case of Nintendo deciding to create debt slaves, I'm much more skeptical of whether they'd do anything about that one. Then again, that situation would probably fit under the "no cruel and unusual punishment" bit of our legal system so the sentence might get partially overturned because of how cruel and unusual it is for nowadays.
Charlie as a huge magic fan please keep making content on the wrongdoings of WotC & Hasbro, almost every month now there's a new dumpster fire disaster all because the sheer greed stemming from the execs at these companies. You're a huge voice that explains these stories for those who otherwise wouldn't hear about these controversies and i'm glad you make content covering this madness so that one day, hopefully WotC gets a kick up the arse and some things get better.
UPDATE: There was an update video, I guess they went and harassed there neighbors when they were not home , lying to them saying they had an appointment with them, trying to get more info from them. What a bunch of scumbags
A private company sending a PMC to raid someone's house to take trading cards is like the ultimate dystopian cyberpunk overlord scenario
Tahiti
This is a good depiction
I KNOW, RIGHT???
Accurate af!
It's pure absurdity. And kinda hilarious as a result.
Arthur: The pinkerton agency still exists and you want to hit an aftermath collectors box?!
Dutch: We need those foils Arthur!
"I got a plan son trust me"
Yeah that one was pretty funny
If he has a receipt and they’re claiming it’s stolen. He has the fattest lawsuit imaginable IN HIS HANDS.
Well if you're a content creator and you make money off of it you better keep receipts of everything especially because of taxes. So there's no doubt about it that he would have the receipt or at least a digital version of it if he use his card.
He had a receipt for the other set, not aftermath. He wasn't supposed to have aftermath
@@Higley1234 but it was probably shipped to him and has tracking for that transaction which will prove it was a supply chain error
@@Higley1234doesn’t matter, he didn’t steal the set, the company sent him the wrong set. No matter how you look at it, invading a private consumers home to rectify a mistake a megacorp made is dystopian.
My farts are better than Charlie's farts.
Pinkertons: We're sick of being portrayed as bad guys!
Also the Pinkertons: Let's take this job where we attack someone for doing nothing wrong.
Great way to come back from the rockstar suing
Counterpoint: Pinkertons might not have known that the goods are not stolen.
Counter-counterpoint: They probably didn't care anyway.
Legally speaking, this would have had to be handled in small claims court. Point blank without a court order, and a sheriff doing the actual confiscation, this was blatant burglary. A private company's contractual agreements with retailers have no legal power against a consumer. If they used intimidation to enter and acquire, this is armed burglary. Whoever at wizards sent them is complicit in an armed burglary. This is a lawsuit and jail time for many people involved. This RUclipsr needs to lawyer up.
I hope they do lawyer up this company shouldn't be allowed to get away with this so easily even if they do lose the court case it'd still be a stain they couldn't remove with fake smiles and dishonest apologies
Absolutely.
Absolute nonsense
What actually happened: they knocked on his door and asked are you in possession of X? If so, you are not supposed to be as it is not publicly available yet and you need to return it immediately. Then he returned it to them. Thank goodness the guy in this case had more common sense than you do.
@@-NlGHTMARE Wouldn't do any good, they took the only leverage he had. Their reputation doesn't matter and any damages he would receive would get eaten by court costs.
@@stephenmason9527 yeah civil communication like that tends to break a spouse into tears, you sure do know what you're talking about.
This sets a dangerous precedent, especially for more historically cruel companies. Imagine Nintendo sending you an unreleased ultra rare on accident and you wake up to see John Wick looming over you.
Nintendo tends to stick to the boundaries of law though. They won’t even touch Smash because of how much criminal activity there has been in the community
As long as you didn't kill his dog you should be fine yeah?
No need to imagine. They already did that. Google "nintendo neimod".
Well, looks like I'm never ordering gaming stuff like this online, I don't wanna wake up to 3 tanks outside my window
@Interlace perfection.
Hiring a private security company to solve an illegal issue like this would most definitely be considered vigilantism. There’s no way this wasn’t a federal crime and this boy better be lawyering up.
Not even illegal of the youtubers part, he was sold items with no Ill intention, once he paid for and received them they are 100% his to do whatever they want with them.
WotC have a problem with their distributors. That's where the problem is.
what's an illegal issue? oh you mean how he made a video on the leaked cards? yeah maybe they should have just DMCA'd his video like a normal company would. as for vigilantism I'm not sure sure, as this isn't super different from some other types of agents like debt collectors. you have to remember there was no "raid", they only used words and not force. it's legal to ask and demand things from people.
@@JewTube001 you need to check the laws. He bought a product in good faith and had no intention of breaking any laws, nor did he, he just open his items. First sale doctrine. You pay for it, its yours.
Someone else screwed up and that maybe a problem, but the end point customer did not.
A lawyer would laugh at him are you kidding? They didn’t beat him they asked for the cards back and he gave them to them. Was it shitty? Yes. Was it illegal? Not even slightly.
@@MysterioTGN maybe not 100% illegal but I doubt it’s “not even slightly” illegal
imagine informing a pizzeria that they sent you the wrong pizza so they send a swat team to get it back.
A powerful rat named Charles Entertainment Cheese
To steal it from you*
Mama mia!
Warhammer 40k had a large leak last month in a similar way; basically, there's this character named Dante. He had an old model that someone ordered, and he was sent a new, as of yet unreleased model. Dante is important (I mean he has his own model so you can assume) character, so you can guess that this sent a buzz through the community.
A day or two later, Games Workshop (the company behind warhammer) release his previews, stating in a tweet that "We couldn't stop him from deploying early! 👀"
They were probably going to announce him at their yearly convention in a couple weeks, and while they had much bigger things to announce that hadn't been spoiled, it's nice that they took it in stride.
Rare Games Workshop W. Now if only we could convince them to let Alfabusa finish TTS
This could actually be a good marketing method. Just throw few newer editions to mix things up and raise hopes of your consumers
virgin wotc chad games workshop
I don’t like Warhammer, but I gotta admit that’s a real chad move.
Games Workshop: “See WOTC, that’s how you handle a situation like this”
Pinkertons: Don't want to be seen as villains
Also Pinkertons: proceeds to intimidate an innocent man and his wife
Gangsters in a suite
@@Mesasie like wolves dressed as sheep.
I had no idea the Pinkertons were real, I thought it was just some fictional detective agency in RDR2
@@reshie if you want to ruin your chances at having a good mood today, then check out the history of the Pinkertons, especially their involvment in Union Busting
There's a reason why they were such moustache-twirling douchebags in RDR2 and that game's representation of them is MILD in comparison to real life atrocities committed by them
Ahh the Pigertons! Never heard of em, are they a community of nuns or something?
I love how the government can send you money by accident and Ask for it back nicely before they do anything. But you get a card box by accident be ready for Arthur Morgan’s ops to show up.
banks and government can just suck the money back out of you if they want. the pinkertons had to ask to be invited inside.
The Pinkertons aren't government. They are mercenaries. Not that the government is saints mind you.
@@martymcfly8535 they didn't say the pinkertons were working for the government, they were just remarking on the absurdity if the fact that fucking up with a card game company gets you a visit by fucking detectives to employ intimidation tactics like you're a criminal over a mistake they didn't even do.
@@martymcfly8535 even mercenaries aren’t legal,are they? They are just as much as assassins.
Mercs are very legal they don't all do legally safe jobs though. Private security are basically mercs
A multi-million dollar company sending enforcers to intimidate a collector out of their trading cards is exactly something Seto Kaiba would do
not even seto kaiba would do this😂
Seto Kaiba had the decency to attempt "diplomacy" by personally offering a suitcase full of money (his pride wouldn't let him half-ass a trade with a mix of actual currency and fake bills, and we already know how far he'll go financially to send a message). It's only AFTER the failed act of "diplomacy" that he would strong-arm the owner into some children's card game in order to win the card in a duel...or something.
...
Now that I think about it, Kaiba would NEVER do this. At the very least, he'd punish whoever made the gaffe on his company's end without giving the RUclipsr a second thought. If he REALLY needed to get it back, he'd fly over to the dude's house in his BEWD jet and just ask for it back, probably with a suitcase full of cash to sweeten the deal. Worst-case scenario: he'd challenge you to a duel or fight you for it. The point is this: Kaiba would deal with major gaffes personally and in the most extravagant spectacle possible.
@Shadow if it was season 0 kaiba, then most definitely, but the actual duel monsters series, yeah he would not even do this crazy shit 💀
Kaiba would at least go in person
Except in the US the enforcers would get shot.
you know, a simple "can you please send these cards back, we believe there was a mistake" or something along those lines would have probably worked fine.
Or just a simple "Hey remove the video, you leaked stuff" or ANYTHING but this? This is so stupid. They could have even tried to talk to him first but nope... sending the heavy boys in.
They went full nuclear option - they hired FUCKING ARMED THUGS LMAO. Like bruh... bit overkill, innit?
They should’ve compensated him for the mistake they made, too.
If you believe WOTC's statement they tried to contact him but he never responded to their email. Either way, escalating right away to hiring a bunch of armed thugs to intimidate him is extremely shitty.
Exactly, they could have said "hey man, could you either send the cards back and we'll send you double what your were supposed to get or you can keep them but you must not publish them online or we will sue (they have now legal recourse to demand them back, they are his property now) but the video has to come down".
The fact that the government lets companies get away with this is insane! It is clear that the corporations have more rights than people.
It is completely true.
But the economy must thrive
Its an Oligarchy, not a Democracy.
@@p-__ Total cap.
@@Apupv
I feel like you should be able to have a healthy economy without corporations sending goombas to random people’s houses
"We are tired of being portrayed as the bad guys" they say, after doing this and behaving like the bad guys again.
The Pinkertons suck
“Dutch! The Pinkertons are here ! What the hell did you do?”
“Now, listen, Arthur: all I did was receive some trading cards. We sell ‘em and we’re on the fast-track to Tahiti”
It’s frightening how much influence companies have to the point where they can order a hit on someone’s home
It’s actually crazy.
Companies and corporations run most countries, they write or influence most laws. They actively work against the population and the planet to have a never ending increase in profits (which is impossible)
The only thing that will change this is constant, active protests. A revolution. And likely a class based civil war. 1% against all the rest. It is frightening and depressing.
They can't, they just know the average person won't file a lawsuit. The only difference between bankruptcy and a successful business is that business burning the wrong person
It's capitalism not governmentism
@Jack Wrath this guy comments the n word on random videos don’t support him
So let me get this correct, Wizard's of the Coast sent a private group to invade a person's home and threaten him since he revealed a new booster pack early WHICH WAS THEIR MISTAKE and he still been nice, dude should really sue.
Edit: I didn't know the Pinkertons was so serious and had a really bad reputation, this proves how much a gentleman that dude was.
Not just any private group, but the fluffin’ Pinkertons!
THE PINKERTONS!
These are the same fools who killed Arthur Morgan 😭
I would sue that’s bullshit
I hope he sues but it sounds like they have his balls gripped so it's not likely.
Hes got a full case and zero fingers on his balls. They released a pack early by mistake that a clerical error, it wasn't communicated to him not to release information on it. Sending pmc goons to someone's house is against the law, illegal search and entry, threatening. My friend, no amount of corporate money will save them from this, one lawyer half asleep could win this case, all this guy needs is time, money isn't even a factor here.
They also can't drag this out, as thus also involves a legal private defense company. This could easily end wizards and this pmc group.
Imagine he also was a gun owner and defended his property not knowing who was raiding him.. This could have been a loss of life over cards. He needs to sue!
Yeah I’m fucking shocked that they can get away with that shit. If I see some fucking thugs on my goddamn doorstep the 12g is coming out.
This is a good point thank you mentioning it. With the reputation of the company it very easily could’ve ended horribly, I’m glad it didn’t next step is lawyering up.
Not all of us are pussies who need the bang bang to solve problems dude.
Indeed (smokes pipe)
I assume they knocked on his door and then told him why they were there
Discovering the Pinkertons have a website from this story with the front page saying "Our Story: Tracing our roots back to 1850"- absolutely mind melting insanity
-is annoyed at their reputation as bad guys
-takes a job to intimidate someone for a relatively benign issue.
Nice job there guys.
WotC has become a dragon, hoarding insane amounts of wealth, and still attacking others for more out of an arrogant sense of entitlement.
Don't let the Pinkertons name distract you from WoTC being the ones that hired them in the first place
"Guys we need more money. What can we do?"
"Oh, I know! Let's hire Pinkerton to commit armed burglary!"
And he didn't even make that mistake
Basically the meme of that comedian shooting the guy behind him on a chair then asking whyd he die or something like that
Moral of the story: DO NOT answer your door for people you are unfamiliar with. Find out who they are and why they are at your door. Unless they have a warrant and they declare themselves, you never have to open your door for anyone.
Unfortunately if you don't answer the door and it's like, the cops? (in the US, anyway, the cops /should/ announce it's them, but recent lawsuits/ deaths have said otherwise, officers getting on paid leave for killing people in their homes). They could just get shot.
Doesn't matter what they did. I want to know why it's legal for a company to hire people, no warrant, no nothing, and just show up and absolutely brutalize someone/take their stuff etc etc.
I know why, though. It's because our supreme court ruled that corporations have more legal rights than we do. sigh..
yeah because that LITTERALY VIOLATES THE 4TH AMENDMENT OF THE BILL OF RIGHTS PROTECTION FROM UNLAWFUL SEZIURS
And remember - stay armed. If they are armed, so should you be.
@@MisanthropolisYeeey more guns and shootings :)
@@Dragorosso95 Actually yes
Guy is still being nice to the companies that essentially made his wife cry and strong armed him, truly a card gamer.
The biggest of cucks
he could easily have shot 1 of them dead, hold the other guy at gun point while calling the police about a home invasion and attempted armed robbery...
@@Temuldjin attempted? This was an armed robbery. In the United States, if a company sends you a product by accident, then you don't have to do diddly about it. At best this is handled in small claims court.
@@spaxxor Yes, in the scenario i described: " if he had shot the 1 guy and civil arrested the other at gun point and called the cops " it would have been attempted.
He’s an adult
Imagine seeing a wholesome guy accidentally get your unreleased box of cardboard and thinking “we won’t be able to reason with this man ourselves”
Ikr? How hard would it have been to just say "Dude we accidentally sent you this package, it was amistake and through these reasons you can't use them" EZ!
But noooooooo they had go Terminator instead, I wonder if this was a set up to flex some muscle to show how much control they have?
Games Workshop accidentally sent an unreleased model to a guy and, rather than raid the guy’s house, simply announced the product to the public in order to beat the leak
When Games Workshop is less ass than you you know you've got a problem
"Dante is too damn eager!" ~ the article about the model 😂
Pinkertons: “we don’t wanna be portrayed as bad guys”
Also Pinkertons: *raids a dude’s house and threatens him over trading cards*
They did terrible things, like blow up a whole mine, kill protestors, and also hunter down Dutches gang
I can't really put my finger on why, but somehow I get the feeling that it wasn't RDR2 that gave them a bad rep.
i didn’t even know the pinkertons were real when i played the game, i was shocked when i found out they existed at all. hearing they still exist and still operate in accordance with major companies is pretty terrifying
Take the time to learn some history, they were so bad that it had to be signed into law with the Anti-Pinkerton Act of 1893 that the U.S. Government can not hire from the Pinkerton organization or similar organizations. They were so bad that the law to limit the federal government's uses of PMCs is named after them.
They were the ones that bombed the coal miners at Blair Mountain
Have we reached a point where the Pinkertons are now just known as Red Dead enemies and nobody remembers the whole Andrew Carnegie strikebreaking thing? I’ve never played Red Dead, so that’s all I knew about them.
@@TheCyber416 I think that was Baldwin-Felts goons. But the Pinkertons certainly would have done it as well.
longtime enemies of the working class
Between this, Nintendo's antics lately, and other mad actions in the gaming/nerd space, huge corporations are going above and beyond wild over the silliest shit. It's freaking insane the level of power they have, and the scare tactics they're willing to use over the pettiest things.
Far more serious, but no less crazy: Bobby Kotick, a man rich and powerful enough to follow through on this, once threatened to have someone killed. Hardly anyone talks about that though, thus proving these people and corporations really can just get away with doing this kind of shit.
I wonder if they're trying to push the boundaries to see what they can get away with.
Moneyyyyyy moneyyyyyy babyyyyy
That voicemail was literally 30 years ago, the statement was made hyperbolically, and the case was settled out of court. What more is there to talk about? Or maybe you just like pitchforks?
@@theendofthestart8179 I don't think you know what the word literally means. It happened in 2006, which is NOT "literally 30 years ago" and it came out only in the last couple of years.
"The case was settled out of court" is code for he's rich and powerful enough to get away with it. That + the rest of his shady dealings (being linked to Jeffry Epstein being one of them) + leading a company with a toxic work culture, I don't know why you're be inclined to defend the dude.
Welcome to Capitalism where companies have the real power.
If a toy company sending goons to your door to strong arm you isn't enough to break your dogged loyalty to them, nothing will.
Majority of WotC/MtG fans are just like brainwashed zombies by now...
The fact they raided someone house instead of send an apology letter which is FAR MORE EASIER than the formal absolutely show that they are would rather causes as much torment to THEIR fans as possible than just apologising and take back
This does not diminish any of the actions, but the fact that they did this to a public figure means that they _knew_ that this was going public, no matter what. They wanted this to be public, this is a Nintendo move.
Also as mentioned above, US Law says that because they sent it to him, everything was now legally his. No ifs or buts. Legally, worst they could've done if he didn't return the cards was likely to blackball and disallow him from buying from distributors or participate on events.
This is something I'd expect Games Workshop or Nintendo to do, not WotC. MtG is more cutthroat than I remember. Granted the last time I got a new booster pack, it was 2008.
They claim they did attempt to contact old school magic. Still the pinkertons is completely inexcusable
@@GreenHoneydew1 Yeah, modern WotC is an absolute garbage greedy PoS corporation.
They are absolute scum.
Pinkertons: "We don't wanna be seen as evil"
Also Pinkertons: raids a dude's house for some fuckin trading cards
Nothing a good ol 12 gauge can’t handle
wanna hear something depressing? the sexbot that stole your comment has more likes than you. three times as many to be exact.
@@fistovuzi the future is now 👍
@@fistovuzi a few hundred of those likes are probably also bots but yeah it's annoying.
@@fistovuzi seen this several times already. There was one that was posted after like 5 mins and almost instantly has 500 likes, the video it was under was practically brand new also. So there is a 99% chance that the likes are botted too
Any Other Company: "He accidentally got cards early and we don't want this information out yet? Eh, just send a cease and desist letter. That'll take care of it."
Wizards of the Coast: *"We're about to end this man's career... and maybe life."*
Nintendo and Disney being on the moral high ground is kinda crazy
@@TheBfutgreg That's...a very rare and scary thought.
You can't send a cease and desist for that. He's not violating copyright.
I really hope this escalates to the stratosphere, they can't get away with it
Are you like, new to the world or something?
@@theendofthestart8179 I agree. Sadly we live in a dystopian reality where companies can just get away with these kind of things.
@@Baja-B because people let things be memory holed, like the USS Liberty.
Spread it far and wide.
@@theendofthestart8179 are you new to the English language? Obviously they can get away with it, but no one ever uses that phrase literally.
"They can't get away with it," is always used in place of "That's wrong and we really shouldn't be letting that slide"
@@GetOffMyPhoneGoogleoyyy vvveeeyyyyyy
This along with the whole DnD drama just shows how Toxic Wizards has become. This won't be the last time we hear about them in the news.
It would be if people just stopped supporting them.
@@Meowthixadly ain't ever gonna happen. Ppl will go "I'll never support them ever again ever!!!!;??;;!!!!!!" And then 2 months later they release D&D Story Book "Hondura's Treasure" featuring a new brand of furry race and they're back to buying 12 of them.
@@Mojo1800 absolutely correct. I’ve seen too many RUclipsrs disavow WotC then a week or two later make their next dnd story video.
@Marcus yeah, wotc lives via whales.
And 5e really profited of them
It's so evil them it seems like they are pretending to be nice to him offering products and apologizing only in private but not in public. Trying to trick him into accepting compensation so he can't get them in trouble, and not wanting to publicly admit fault. While I am no lawyer I wouldn't be surprised if they're are just trying to get out of a lawsuit where they did something extremely illegal that would likely constitute jail time and insanely hefty fines
Based off the story I hope people end up in jail
If I was that guy, I'd have asked who they were through a locked grill gate, and if they threatened me, I'd call the police. And then sue the company.
@@FlabbyTabby I don't even think he did anything wrong pretty sure if a company accidentally sends you something you legally own it. Think it's that way to prevent scams where companies send you extra stuff and then make you pay for it
@@FlabbyTabby
It's an MTG collector... He doesn't have the spine to do something even remotely close to that. There will be no lawsuit because he's a simp.
They're legally required to compensate the man for the goods if he willing returned them however if he was intimidated by a brute squad then it would be duress and WOTC are still able to get in legal trouble for this unlawful seizure.
@@willwunsche6940 It is according to the FTC
Anything sent to you is yours. Unless it was addressed to someone else.
If anybody was unsure a private detective agency doesn't have the legal authority to do this. They could potentially be charged with a strong-arm robbery.
Pinkerton is the perfect exemple of " If you are tired of your bad reputation, stop acting like they were rightful "
Love the video man, it was definitely a shock when they showed up I’m a history buff and knew exactly who they were and how dangerous they are, and no they didn’t have a warrant.
sorry that happened to you man, hope your family's ok.
@@evanparis5709 Thanks Evan
Good luck and stay safe
You should really sue bro. This is clinically insane behavior on Wizards' part.
@@oldschoolmtg That’s some crazy stuff man… I’m no lawyer, but I think you have a very strong case for a lawsuit on your hands. But above all, stay safe. Hope you and your wife are okay, and you don’t catch anymore illegal raids from Hasbro.
I’d try to sue them, I’d crowd fund and go after them. That is insane. That’s intimidating, threatening, and stealing. He was sent the wrong thing, that’s on them.
They’d probably go after him even harder if he tried to do that lol corporations will stop at nothing they literally don’t care about our lives
@@witchykittyywhat do they have on him
@@witchykittyydude what are you on about, there is literally nothing else they could do stop fear mongering
If WoC sent the Pinkerton to that guy's house, imagine what they did to the guy who sent the box by mistake
Bruh. Are you serious? Over cards? They messed up, didn't try to talk to the guy and raided him for it? That's just embarrassing! He should sue them!
I 100% agree!
@Jack Wrath Didn't ask. Lol
@Jack Wrath bruh he first thing is see when I click on your profile is you commented the hard r one someone’s video💀💀
@JackWrath3..gatcha cringe
@Jack Wrath X - doubt
Good to see that WotC continues to treat their consumers with utmost respect
To be clear, legally speaking, once a company sends you a product, IT IS YOURS. Period.
This is an actual law in the USA.
It's original intent was to stop a type of scam where companies would send people more than they ordered, then force the customer to pay for the extra.
So those were 100% his boxes and WotC had ZERO right to them.
I don't specifically know if those intimidation tactics were illegal, but I'd suspect they would be.
Laws do not apply to the rich.
My personal thought is that it isn't illegal, unless they threatened them. And if they willingly gave up the boxes, they are no longer theirs.
It's scummy, but I doubt anything could happen from this. And sadly, WOTC has been shitty for a long time, and not nearly enough people care enough to stop giving htem money. So alas, the world continues as it is.
Correct, he was not obligated to engage with them at all.
@@Fractured676
Them being there alone is enough to make a duress argument in court.
Legally speaking, you can’t make agreements, sign contracts, etc, if you’re under duress while you did so.
Given that they had a private police force show up at his house, he would be legally considered under duress when he relinquished the boxes, therefore the relinquishment of the boxes is seen as illegal / not valid.
@@Useless22 Yeah it would different if they just had a PR guy go to his house and request the product back, but they sent, of all people, the Pinkertons. The Pinkertons whose most recent news-worthy action was one of their contractors shot and killed a protestor for hitting him and spraying beer in his face. Unfortunately they tried for too high of a charge with not enough small charges and the charges were dropped.
They mostly do PI work for companies concerned about their workers looking to unionize. Most recently they hooked up security cams to spy on Amazon warehouse workers and Starbucks employees, both groups looking to unionize. If a company hires the Pinkertons, know that they hate you and their workers.
I’m so glad a big RUclipsr is covering this story, this is beyond outrageous what lengths they’re willing to go just to maximise profits!
And I thought joining with Hasbro and removing Fair Use on their content, thus destroying 30 years of trust from the community was as low as they would go.
No.
Sending a hit squad after someone is apparently and option for them.
@fenix144 no warrant and armed, they aren't police so they are Mercenaries.
@fenix144 yes. Armed mercs showing up to your house
@fenix144 Mercenaries. It's not some outlandish thing hit squad and mercenaries are used interchangeably.
@fenix144 The Anti-Pinkerton Act was a law passed by the U.S. Congress in 1893 to limit the federal government's ability to hire private investigators or mercenaries. If you want the legal definition here..
@fenix144 The anti Pinkerton Act was passed because the line between Hitman and mercenary was gray. They were literally hitman who committed atrocities so bad they had to make a law about it. No more elaboration is needed "private investigators or Mercenaries" is Verbatim what the law says.
Update: oldschool mtg posted an update saying his neighbors had asked about what happened because the Pinkerton were going door to door asking information about him and saying he had an “appointment” with them etc. he’s now no longer playing it cool and said he doesn’t know what his next step is but after hearing that from neighbors he’s tired of “playing it cool” about it
Proof?
I saw his update video, he is not happy anymore about this.
@@moviemaker2011zjust look up oldschool mtg, there’s an update video from today. Around the same time Charlie uploaded this video.
@mburg33 would you be happy if thry sent essentially a firm that has killed people in the past to your door? I would be absolutely furious that they didn't even bother trying to open a line of communication beforehand.
Way to go, WotC. Make people afraid to show interest in your game! One day these companies are gonna run out of feet to shoot...
No my friend, is gonna be us who will be legless lifeless piece of turds in the wind who are going to be used as instrument
Agreed!
I 100% agree with your statements
@@lautarogomez9711except for your statement 😂
@JackWrath3..no
You know, this could easily have turned into a PR win if they told him they would give him some money to do an additional video teasing the cards
I couldn't imagine being the Pinkertons going to some guys house and getting back some cards. They've probably been part of some of history's biggest events yet got called in to take back some cardboard
They literally took out the Dutch gang and their members to this bruh
I understand villains aren't the same as before, but this is a whole new level of low.
Well could be that the cards were actually top level secret card weapons that could even steal souls (like seal of orichalcos in yugioh).
lol but yeah just goes to show how they fell
Kind of fits their MO actually. They are definitely bastards, and have historically been eager to put their boots on working people's necks.
they are mainly hired for union busting by asshole corporations smh, they would do anything for cash
Hiring Pinkertons out of all companies is such a specific symbolic move that just instantly screams "hey, we're the bad guys and we don't care that you know it." As for the legal side of things, they probably worded everything in way that doesn't make them liable in court. Technically they just asked him to give them willingly back and just made him aware of all the legal possibilities of the situation and he obliged or something like that. Maybe skilled legal team could turn this into blackmailing or something but chances of that happening are small and only after long and expensive legal battle he cannot afford.
You'd argue intimidation and coercion. The Pinkertons have a reputation that proceeds them, which could harm their ability to defend that way.
Wrong
@@bibsp3556 you’re forgetting that wotc is a multimillion dollar corporation, and he’s one guy. All they have to do is drag the case out for a few years until he physically can’t pay the lawyer anymore
@@bibsp3556 Courts have an exact solution in that regard anyways: If you give away an item while under duress, your decision is effectively treated the same as if you had someone with a severe mental disability do it as well (basically meaning you weren't "competent" enough to make the decision).
Given the mere presence of the Pinkertons with their reputation, the fact they might've threatened oldschoolMTG with legal action (and maybe physical violence too), and that the Pinkertons are a known PMC/PI firm (so people would assume armed too), MTG's decision to give over the cards could pretty easily be found by the court to not be "legally binding" and that Wizards would be forced to give back the cards due to an effective "He wasn't thinking clearly enough to make the decision knowingly and willingly."
Either way, if MTG decided to sue Wizards from this (and assuming Wizards didn't just pull some stupid BS of delaying the lawsuit until MTG ran out of money, though that problem can be easily remedied through donation campaigns), no amount of super lawyers could save Wizards from this.
@Doomweapon66 that would be my argument. An entity with a reputation of disregard for both the law and the wellbeing and rights of the people they target would be open to such accusations. At least where i am, "under duress" means non-consent. And it wouldnt be hard to argue that you were intimidated given their past.
Ya reap what you sow.
That's crazy. Definitely a lawsuit waiting to happen, I wonder what will happen if he decides to pursue legal action against them.
He'll probably have an accident
it's clear he won't take action
Bruh the Pinkertons came to his home. They definitely didn’t threaten him with “legal action.” His channel is gonna disappear within the week
@@theonewhouploadsnothing1704 He said he got these items in a mailing error basically. Then they got a warrant for his home to take these items saying that he had stolen goods. The warrant was given with false information which makes me think that he has a pretty good case against them assuming all that is true.
I thought when he said the Pinkertons it was gonna be a joke like “haha detectives came” not the actual most evil ‘detective agency’ that has ever existed.
The most ridiculous part about all this is that the leak will stay online anyway. Like what was the point of taking the cards away from him and have him delete the videos when all the leaks already happened anyway? The cards are literally listed on mythicspoiler, the most common source for ppl to look up new cards xD
Make an example. The next guy will think twice about leaking cards if they know WOTC will send a squad to your home.
In WotC's mind this move made perfect sense. Someone was like: "Hey I know, let's hire the Pinkertons, then we'll let our players, employees and store owners know to what lenghts we'll go to make sure leakers are punished. That should scare 'em." 😂
They clearly wanted to intimidate not just this guy and his wife but any future leaker. That was their genius idea. "See? We'll do this to you too if you leak our stuff! So don't do it." Unfortunately for them this will probably increase the likelihood that more people leak or steal their product out of spite.
The fact that companies never learn of the Streisand effect continues to baffle me to this day
Not out of spite, out of the fact that they don't want to give money to the WotC shithole
We're gonna see a major uptick in illegally-copied cards, and people will intentionally buy those so they don't have to feed the unionbusters' sugar daddies
As for leaks, it may have a temporary decrease in leaks around the event but the amount of leaks will start climbing later, reaching higher than the original amount
Good thing i don't buy WOTC products
Imagine hiring Pinkertons. It sounds like a joke. I am just thankful they did not gave the poor guy John Marston treatment
I thought legally in the US once a company sends you something even accidentally it is yours? Something about preventing scams where companies would send too much and make people pay for the excess or to haul it off. Either way this should probably be illegal and I hope people go to jail over it
You are correct. It's called FTC laws, and they basically say that 'if something is sent to you its yours', so long as it doesn't have the wrong address or name on it.
Probably illegal but WOTC know full well they're going to get away with it. It is what it is ig.
My heart and soul goes out to the poor sod that opened the door and let the vampires in.
The Pinkerton's used to bust unions and labor disputes back when unions first came around. Multiple cases of them opening fire into crowds of men, women, and children along with other massacres. In case anyone was curious about what Charlie was talking about
And they have the audacity to sue over their appearance in RDR to protect their reputation.. like.. you want a better reputation? Change your name.. that name is never going to be forgotten by the people who know about it.
@@Gamespud94 why haven’t they been arrested and disbanded?
@@Anthonyspartan514cause the people who did that are long since dead?
And they did this for decades. Now that we’re in the Second Gilded Age, they’ll probably start that crap again.
@@Anthonyspartan514 Because they were union busting and not helping the unions.
The fact that a company can just do something like this is insane and should be illegal. There should absolutely be criminal charges pressed, but there won’t be.
I would at least sue the nuts off WotC, but I understand that the financial investment required for a person to pursue a lawsuit against a huge company like this is part of the reason why companies can get away with it.
Not only that but companies like these don’t give a shit about giving someone a pay day if it doesn’t affect their profits. Just look at how many lawsuits Walmart has had to pay
It is illegal. That literally why they hired private goons to do this. No law enforcement agency would ever do anything like this.
Start a go fund me, then hire your own mercs to harrass the leadership of WOTC, play by their fucked up level.
@shortking The way you get around court fees with a case this cut and dry is finding a law firm that won't charge for a lost suit, but will take a percentage of the monetary compensation awarded on a successful case.
Companies control the governments. Have you not noticed?
It both makes me giggle and scares me how many people do not know who the Pinkertons were, they were massive in union busting back in the early 1900's when people were trying to get worker's rights like a 2 day weekend, 40 hour work week, and safety laws. They would legitimately do things similar to this, but with more knee cap breaking or burning down of houses.
Think I'll hire them next time someone gets shitty with me on internet comments, life used to be a lot more civil when knee caps were being sledgehammered.
Anyone who's played Red Dead Redemption (2) should know not to fuck with the Pinkertons.
@@melvin_milton I don't know if you study history but life and crime were not a lot more civil, in the Wild West or The Second World War
@@bunnyvillainy they’re effectively hired thugs you sic against people who are potentially hurting your bottom line
Don't forget literal murder, because they've done that too.
On the one hand, I really want to see this guy bring a fat juicy lawsuit against the company for such an insane and petty crime. On the other hand, if they were willing to send the goddamn Pinkertons to a guy's house just for possessing a card pack they didn't want getting leaked, I imagine the company wouldn't be that far above sending actual hitmen to threaten him and his family into dropping the charges.
Which is why I think the government itself should pursue a racketeering charge, or unjust vigilantism against wizards of the coast. What the fuck is wizards of the Coast going to do threaten the government with an assassin?
@sdfxcv blank threaten the president hmmm that could work
Wizards of the coast 2023-
Between Nintendo sentencing that one pirate to indentured servitude, and now Hasbro sending PMCs to detain customers who received the wrong product because of Hasbro’s incompetence, I think we’re on the verge of something really cool. I played Cyberpunk and thought it was cool so I’m glad to see these corporations take some initiative and really fulfill the role of becoming the Megacorps we see featured so prominently in dystopic works. This is cool because I will be just like David Martinez fr fr on god when the time comes, and I will get a cool cyberpunk girlfriend.
Based
I already know I’m going to be exactly like Johnny Silverhand when the time comes. I have to be, who else could I possibly be? My 1,000,000 hours on Cyberpunk are all the credentials I need.
I'm gonna be Rex Colt from Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon. No cool cyberpunk girlfriend for me though. I'll be too busy blowing shit up
Sorry guys but there will be no cyberpunk girlfriends since me and the rest of the girls can't afford the chrome body mods and latex dresses. Instead we're heading down to find the local homeless guy who sleeps on a pile of newspapers to get our complimentary 7 jackets, black beanies and fingerless gloves. You can join us but only if you grow a 1ft long greying beard and bring 15 empty beer bottles to decorate the flaming barrel we'll all be standing around.
I love that you chose the Cyberpunk protagonist whose story explicitly ends in tragedy and death, subtlety is for cowards
Usually companies will send a “Apology” for sending the wrong product sent. Then send the correct one while saying you can keep the wrong package.
Sometimes companies overreact and send the Pinkertons to raid their home
@@ninjafrog6966 No, this is just a WotC thing. Even though we all joke that Nintendo would sue a family just because they had a kid dying from cancer who's named Mario, even Nintendo doesn't actually send mercenaries to go and threaten you to get their precious toys back. Though given the way Nintendo acts, you'd think they have hit squads to end families just because 1 person dared to think of naming their kid Mario.
My grandfather told me stories of when his grandad (he was a confederate veteran, 3rd Arkansas regiment) had run ins with the pinkertons after the civil war. He hated them. He used to keep am old colt revolver at his side and when asked what it was for he always said Pinkertons........I havent thought of the pinketons in years. You brought back some old memories, good memories. Thank you for that.
There was a similar case with games workshop recently. Someone was sent an unreleased model. They just made a comedic post saying something like even them couldn’t prevent Dante from deploying early. They demonstrated great restrain by not raiding his house with legions of tanks and genetically augmented soldiers
This is crazy. WOTC ought to be ashamed of themselves at the very least! Glad you are covering this, there needs to be eyes on this. Can you believe this is how WOTC treats their FANS? WTF???
Companies do it all the time. Coca cola has death squads that raped and murdered factory workers in Guatamela in South America who wanted to strike. McDonald's launched a mass media hate campaign against elderly woman who had her genitals scorched by a mishandling of their employee. Disney funds the war industry
It's Capitalism. "How can they treat us like this?" Money. That's all it is. Pursuit of infinite wealth, infinite Capital above all else. Anything, no matter what, as long as it gets money. It's evil
I'm surprised more companies don't send pinkertons to do their bidding, it's easy for them to get away with it.
This is really interesting to hear since Hasbro, who own wizards of the coast has been letting a youtuber called PrimeVsPrime get away with openly reviewing stolen transformers products for years and I don't just mean weeks before release, I'm talking weeks or even months before a product is announced officially. not only does he get thousands of views from this but Hasbro has recently partnered with him
If its criminal then its cool in Hasbro’s eyes
I'm so used to Charlie making jokes that it took me 5 minutes to realize that they LITERALLY SENT THE PINKERTONS😂
We used to joke back in the day when a "rules lawyer" complained about making up our own rules, we'd say "It's not like TSR/Wizards of the Coast is going to send hired goons to your house!"
Of all companies to do this.. It's almost poetic.
I mean... are we REALLY surprised that the company that almost ruined Dungeons and Dragons overnight with a few sentences hired these people to resolve this?
Yeah, they went from money hungry to hiring the pinkertons, that’s a massive leap from one to the other
Fuckin' Nintendo of cards
Their charisma stat has really just hit the negatives
I’d imagine a lawyer or a sheriff would be enough to deal with it, but sending in a PMC is ensuring that even less people will be willing to support their product
@@FreedomHero4 Hmmm a lawyer or sheriff would never do this because it's illegal. Purchasing cards is not illegal anywhere on this planet.
3:49 Given how dystopian it is for a corporation to be sending a PMC, it makes me scared to think what they did to those who screwed up in distribution lmao.
They sent the morag tong after them probably
@@FauxReal.Bro 😂
Only dystopian in places with strict gun laws. In Texas almost everyone is a one man PMC, so the Pinkertons wouldn't work at all, as they'd end up with a bullet in the head.
Same thing they did to John Marston
From destroying the Van der Linde gang to being a group of thugs raiding a house for pieces of cardboard... How the Pinkertons have fallen.
Lol fallen from what, they were never loved
All because of Agent Milton
@@nickthegreat9434 Yeah, they were always just thugs for hire wearing the guise of Private Investigators.
I expressed my sheer displeasure in the official mtg discord and it was deleted for being “problematic”. What a disgusting company. I wish Id never given them my money
This exact mixup happened with a guy who ordered a warhammer 40k model. Even with gw being an openly vicious company, they just used the leak as a reason to release the new model
Some guy: gets an unreleased cardboard kids game.
The company: *CALL THE MERCENARIES*
With how messed up the world is, Charlie's never going to run out of content.
Agreed, but at the same time it’s bad that the world is bad.
Fr idk how he gets like 2 topics of content a day about just messed up stuff
@@Apupv Did you prefer massive armies of soldiers swinging off heads with swords or something?
@@Doge10YT huh
"By law, companies can’t send unordered merchandise to you, then demand payment. That means you never have to pay for things you get but didn’t order. You also don’t need to return unordered merchandise. You’re legally entitled to keep it as a free gift."
That is straight from the Federal Trade Commission website. WotC knew this. They knew they were in the wrong, otherwise they would have called the police and had it taken care of for free. Instead they payed mercenaries to lie to/threaten/rob him. WotC blatantly broke the law and should be sued into the ground.
Imagine being sent what can honestly be called a corporate mafia and going "Oh but the person on the phone was really nice and apologised and might even send me a few boxes of cards"
It takes a certain kind of stupid to think that is a normal or acceptable thing, maybe he will realize once he has slept on it but his video after the situation basically kills any lawsuit.
It doesn't invalidate a lawsuit claim dummy
Like Charlie said, he might be have been told to sugar coat it.
I hate to break it to you, but wotc players are the most whipped hobbyists on the face of the earth. They will look at you straight in the face and tell you that there’s nothing wrong with gambling thousands in booster packs or paying 1k to have a single good deck to play a game with.
@@quantum411 If you don't make nice, they come back later.
He's probably terrified they are going to come back.
The things corporations are starting to get away with is scary
starting? this is tame compared to what corporations have done in the past 100 years.
Uh, corporations have directly killed people. It's way beyond the pale.
That's nothing new, check out the Gilded Age.
@@rezeno5665 Yeah, we've basically hit the gilded age 2: bomb edition.
Starting... 😂
This is literally the plot of the first episode of YuGiOh. A private company breaks in and steals cards from a dude.
"Pinkerton Pain Train" Yeah, chuckled.
Friendly reminder that the CEO of Wizards of the Coast worked in the tobacco and gambling industries before this
Makes sense
He really "rolled the dice" with this decision.
In terms of the wizard rep being nice there’s a strong chance that the dude just reached a random customer service rep working at a third part call center who of course would be totally confused and appalled by this situation
The latest reminder all these companies are crazy and evil. People forget because they produce things they like or occasionally make a tweet or something positively that costs them nothing.
My grandpa worked for the pinkertins until he was too old to work. It was wild growing up and hearing all the crap they did throughout time.
He should absolutely sue for this.
"Huh, these aren't the cards I ordered-"
"DUTCH! Get out here right now!"
Reminder that corporations have been getting away with this shit since the heights of the robber-baron era. They've just usually done it in ways that don't make the news (or at least news hobbbyist fandoms care about).
When he said the Pinkertons were sent, I thought it was just another one of his silly jokes
The Absolute shock I experienced when I saw they legitimately did send the Pinkertons is equal to that of the shock experienced by those who watched the end scene to Invincible episode 1
This is a pretty dumb, comparison, pretty much everyone knew he was going to do something evil, he wasn’t coming off as a good guy in any way.
@@acewmd. oh well pardon me, I’ll just go back In time and change my own reaction to something so that it matches yours
@@bdhhsgbyddhggg yeah go ahead and do that, while you’re at it make sure to educate past you on reading obvious hints at things, especially when they’re glariny obvious. Oooh and a side course on sarcasm and how to use it couldn’t hurt.
@@acewmd. Sure thing bud
While I’m doing that, educate yourself on how to not be a dick about everything all the time and when to just stay quiet
Clearly it’s a lesson you need
@@bdhhsgbyddhggg oh will that happen before you’ve taught yourself not to post your lack of observational skills for all to see while making a shitty comparison, or will it be after you bitch and whine over how butt hurt such a comment made you.
Oh oh will it be after you’ve gone back in time yet again and fixed yourself as an apology for merely existing.
The lack of any question marks should not throw you off, these are all rhetorical. I know you need that pointed out to you since you’ve made it clear you can’t understand anything even remotely subtle and instead need it told to you in as direct a manner as possible and even then, let’s be honest, you probably still won’t get it.
Can we all just take a moment to appreciate the fact the Pinkertons haven't rebranded and just use their straight up name as a "legitimate" business while still doing shakedowns?
It's like hiring the Gambino's and their motto being "eh we do consulting but if you want to make it look like a fuckin accident with your issues, let's says it'll be a shame when they find the body"
I have already been avoiding a lot of WotC stuff as of late but it may be time for the community at large to just turn our backs on WotC and let them figure out how to bring us back when their stock price falls off a cliff.
Using violent force (intimidation) just to get your cards back is absolutely insane to me. This is the kind of shit Nintendo would pull.
There is no actual evidence that this occurred. 🤷♂️
@@stephenmason9527 Except for the company actually tweeting as much to confirm at the very least the Pinkertons involvement
@@stephenmason9527 you could have taken a few minutes to actually watch the video, then you wouldn’t have made this dumb comment
@Risotto Pose yeah if you check his messages, he has this whole bit of being kind of mentally deficient in some way. That or he just loves blindly protecting corporations no matter what.
@@SinisterLeviathan oh no the companies are deploying ai to boost their rep on social media 😨
anyone`s shocked at WotC at this time? a much needed boycott for years of bad service, FOMO strategies, devaluing products and brand, and now, allegedly, burglary against FANS. what else is there to achieve WoTC?
At this point anyone who supports them is a smooth brain consuuuumer
I'd be suing the shit out of WoTC if this happened to me. They had absolutely no grounds to raid someone's home to recover goods that were accidentally sent to him because someone in their own distribution system fucked up.
Even if he stole them what they did is illegal and shouldn’t be allowed
Not even the police can go into your home without a warrant, that's so freaking illegal.
@@orionstardust2060 The police can go into your home if you let them in.
It feels very illegal to me tbh. The man bought the cards through legal means and it’s not his fault they sent him the wrong shit. Using private thugs to shake him down to get them back is crazy
@@vespernight4236 this was 100% illegal.
Absolutely insane that a toy company sent a literal PMC to a RUclipsr's house after he reviewed some silly cards.
This is literally Cyberpunk 1984
I mean some of these silly cards are worth hundreds of thousand not any of the particular cards in the set he was send but in the franchise
@@twgok3162 i doubt they have emeralds and rubies embedded into them so i don't think they're actually worth worth a lot. they're just costly
@Aurinkomakkara high value, low worth.
They have a large value due to artifical scarcity, it's really just paper, cardboard, and plastic so it's not all that uncommon of materials, but humans have deemed it of high value, while it's actual worth is low due to its materials.
I get some people willing to pay the price for high value low worth cards, ik I have things like that for me. At the end of the day though, a card that has a strange monster on it being sold for $100+ USD is silly to me
Me: “There’s no way Inscryption could happen in real life!”
Pinkertons and WOTC: “Ahoy”
As consumers, we don't hold companies accountable anymore for any bad actions. They keep doing things like this because no matter what they do, there always seems to be a brain dead portion of the population who continue to support companies like wizards of the coast and Nintendo.
Consumerism has turned a not insignificant percentage of the population into clapping monkey robots.
That's too bad, the Federal Trade Commission is really looking for some action.
The shills are one of the main reasons why they get away with this shit.
If there were no shills, corporations wouldn’t act like they fucking own us.
@@Acktopaf FTC probably would be forced to give Wizards a good bonk on the head over this Pinkerton issue in particular but in the case of Nintendo deciding to create debt slaves, I'm much more skeptical of whether they'd do anything about that one. Then again, that situation would probably fit under the "no cruel and unusual punishment" bit of our legal system so the sentence might get partially overturned because of how cruel and unusual it is for nowadays.
The fact they sent the guys who took down the Van Der Linde gang to take this guy down is bat sh*t insane
Nobody is immune to 5.56.
Charlie as a huge magic fan please keep making content on the wrongdoings of WotC & Hasbro, almost every month now there's a new dumpster fire disaster all because the sheer greed stemming from the execs at these companies. You're a huge voice that explains these stories for those who otherwise wouldn't hear about these controversies and i'm glad you make content covering this madness so that one day, hopefully WotC gets a kick up the arse and some things get better.
UPDATE: There was an update video, I guess they went and harassed there neighbors when they were not home , lying to them saying they had an appointment with them, trying to get more info from them. What a bunch of scumbags
BTW The Pinkertons: "Stop showing us as the bad guys"
Also The Pinkertons: *Goes out and does bad guy stuff.*
Pinkertons: *surprised John Marston face*
@0UR080RU0 Pinkertons *"But thats our Sunday night ritual."*