You Don't Need Reactions to Whiff Punish

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  • Опубликовано: 18 дек 2024

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  • @drexoslek2277
    @drexoslek2277 Год назад +446

    Sajam keepin it real for us common folk just a simple explanation paired with visual examples that's what I love to see.

  • @Makofueled
    @Makofueled Год назад +113

    Very good explanation. I now realise laser eyes are not required for all tasks.
    Thank you Majas.

  • @DezRexy
    @DezRexy Год назад +852

    As someone who comes from lots of anime fighters and games that are far less neutral/footsies focused, this video explained in 4 minutes what I couldn't figure out in like a decade of playing fighting games.

    • @Taziod
      @Taziod Год назад +11

      > anime fighters and games that are far less neutral/footsies focused
      What does this even mean? All fighting games have neutral and of course they have a focus. Both players start a round not hitting each other, and in every fighting game you have to get an opportunity to hit them to reveal itself. You have to open up your opponent to get hit, how does this differ in Anime fighters? Just because it has an air dash?

    • @Mene0
      @Mene0 Год назад +134

      @@Taziod He probably means that anime games sometimes have instant teleports, running, airdashes for everyone, air blocking etc. Of course they have neutral but there are more ways to skip it

    • @DezRexy
      @DezRexy Год назад +82

      @@Taziod Play DBFZ and tell me that game has a focus on neutral. When I say focus I MEAN focus. Something like DBFZ or even Guilty Gear XRD has much less emphasis on neutral/footsies and much more on one party having an advantage and many ways for characters to entirely skip the neutral game (i.e DBFZ's superdashing, Guilty Gear Xrd's YRCs, etc). Something like Street Fighter has much more focus on neutral, and especially footsies, than those games. That's not to say anime fighters don't HAVE neutral, but they sure don't have nearly as much of it. Street Fighter 6 is the only game I've played seriously that has frequent moments of both parties just moving back and forth rather than attacking at all.

    • @Nofixdahdress
      @Nofixdahdress Год назад +44

      @@Taziod They mean that, by and large, anime games give you stronger tools to transition from neutral to offense. A poke in Street Fighter is usually minus on block and either uncancelable, or has limited combo potential. Whether my poke hits or gets blocked in SF, the most I can typically hope to do is a short combo or frametrap with a fireball or something, and then return to playing neutral. Pokes in anime games are often designed to be easier to convert into pressure or full combos ending in an oki setup.
      People refer to anime games as "less neutral/footsies focused" because they are usually designed around tools that allow you to consistently and safely begin offense off of a single neutral interaction, as opposed to games like SF where neutral interactions often reset back to neutral unless you're taking a larger risk like a jump in. Is it kinda reductive? Sure, but so is being a pedant about it when what people mean by it should be pretty clear.

    • @DeanPelton98
      @DeanPelton98 Год назад +2

      ​@@Taziod I feel it's cause canceling moves in anime fighters is more lenient so usually blockstrings are longer, there are safe special moves you can cancel, staggering is different; you return to neutral more often than not at the end of it. Stealing turns is more common here than in anime fighters.

  • @sparklesniff8754
    @sparklesniff8754 Год назад +245

    I've been playing fighting games for 2-3 years and learning this just now might be the single most important thing I've learned. I felt my third eye open.
    Also I was thinking "but what about my character" and then you showed every character. Great edit +10

    • @zharifafiza5550
      @zharifafiza5550 Год назад +2

      Some of yall who say this need to play more tekken lol, so much about tekken is baiting your opponent to do a move and whiff punish

    • @ScuffKinn
      @ScuffKinn Год назад +21

      @@zharifafiza5550bro missed the entire point of the video

    • @bruselsproutgaming7615
      @bruselsproutgaming7615 Год назад +1

      Yeah this helped so much with my juri I am stuck in platinum trying to elevate my game (been playing fighting games, specifically sf6 for only 2 months) and now I am trying to implement this because I am really bad at footsies and going into a opponents space and punishing there whiff, to the point where I get punished so much for trying to bait but not doing it right but this made that step seem so much easier.

    • @jahimalnar7978
      @jahimalnar7978 Год назад

      ​@@bruselsproutgaming7615bro how do i tell you im experiencing the same thing, i just recently saw the machaboo triangle the other day and i was like "sweet, now my neutral can start to improve" and then suffered. Here's hoping with the implementation of this that it works out better

    • @Agamemnon9
      @Agamemnon9 Год назад

      @@bruselsproutgaming7615 *their

  • @rightofdeath
    @rightofdeath Год назад +414

    Man i can't believe that sajam is skilled enough to pilot 4 characters at the same time. Truly the best SF6 player on the planet.

  • @BadmanOfBanterbury
    @BadmanOfBanterbury Год назад +225

    I feel like spacing traps are infinitely more important in a game like SF6, than they've ever been before. Purely because there's so few moves in the game that are plus on block, it naturally necessitates spacing traps as a core aspect of your offensive game plan. You can't just structure your offence around moves being plus anymore.

    • @GriFFonRec4
      @GriFFonRec4 Год назад +16

      It's say it's more because Punish Counter is a thing. The pressure and frame data in SF6 doesn't seem too much different from SFV if I'm being honest, particularly when you add in Drive Rush and burnout which makes things more plus. The fact that punishing someone leads into a easy to confirm big daddy combo is what's different. In SFV and Strive you needed to counter hit them to get that.

    • @horribleoscar9443
      @horribleoscar9443 Год назад +33

      I think a lot of newcomers to fighting games are intimidated by terms like frame traps or spacing traps or throw loops when those things aren’t exactly nuclear rocket science that you can only use if you’re ascended to higher spheres. They’re the opposite, they’re tricks you use so you have to think less about those parts of the game. They are handy shortcuts everybody can use, and so can you.

    • @protodevilin
      @protodevilin Год назад +6

      @@GriFFonRec4 This times ten. Neutral in SF6 is super stressful, especially against characters like Ryu, Marisa, and Zangief. Getting caught by a spacing trap and watching them make me pay for it with 50%-60% damage makes me wince so hard. The risk/reward ratio in SF6 is wild.

  • @decksteroussnail
    @decksteroussnail Год назад +89

    Note that you have a thinner hitbox when standing than when you're crouching. So if you want a move to whiff don't default to going straight to crouch block after every attack.

  • @ryltair
    @ryltair Год назад +69

    Whenever I see a Sajam video of a few minutes, I know I'm about to become a smarter man

  • @taz4659
    @taz4659 Год назад +45

    Love the edits

    • @Michael_Raymond
      @Michael_Raymond Год назад +1

      That split screen gave me the biggest smile

    • @SweetLuups
      @SweetLuups Год назад +1

      Clutch edits for sure

  • @Rhapsdos
    @Rhapsdos Год назад +115

    Almost every game opens up once you realize just because a button is negative doesn't necessarily mean your turn is over.

    • @Evilj82
      @Evilj82 Год назад +1

      This is what we did before when there was no frame data available.

    • @myniko
      @myniko Год назад +2

      Anime players don’t need to learn that lesson, we practically invented it

  • @ZhangHe2369
    @ZhangHe2369 Год назад +10

    2:52 love the call out.

  • @ScarletKako98
    @ScarletKako98 Год назад +27

    It's like Lao Tzu always said, "You're only minus if you're a bitch"

  • @Krasgov
    @Krasgov Год назад +28

    It's a testament (HUE HUE) to Sajam's skill of presenting and explaining ideas that even though I know most of this stuff, it's just cathartic to hear him to articulate it. You know what I mean?
    Also shoutouts to giving a glimpse to the Sajam Multi-verse and seeing your clones in other timelines labbing in SFVI that shits crazy

  • @Rebazar
    @Rebazar Год назад +12

    A perfect title summarizing an ongoing thesis of fighting game approachability. I appreciate your efforts to make the complexity of fighting games more understandable and less anxiety producing than they often are for the new and intermediate. This is a great genre of game and the more people can experience the complex mix of competition and discovery that fighting games encapsulate, the better!

  • @zeethejanitor
    @zeethejanitor Год назад +15

    So much of neutral is anticipation, and I feel that's the most overlooked thing about neutral because we hear about "reaction" whiff punishes so much.
    As Krakatoa said in his neutral video, if you're waiting react to everything in neutral, you're operating on a delay. You'll rarely have the right answer at the right time again players good at aggression.

  • @DJDizzy8
    @DJDizzy8 Год назад +10

    This video indirectly shows why Parry is important. When you parry an attack it shortens the pushback leaving you closer as the defender. Which is a way to defeat the spacing trap. As usual, thanks Sensei Sajam!

    • @Egzvorg
      @Egzvorg 11 месяцев назад

      Parry does not shorten pushback, it adds a push to the attacker, the distance between you is the same.

  • @hockey1973
    @hockey1973 Год назад +4

    At very high levels, footsies is a bit of laser vision reactions (Punk etc) HOWEVER since 99.99% of us won't be winning EVO this year, this method works just fine for the rest of us. Thanks for the video.

  •  Год назад +8

    So I guess from first principles, the idea is: Find a button that's negative on block but leaves you fairly far away; ideally follow it up with a button that's safe on block, just in case.

  • @EpsilonKnight2
    @EpsilonKnight2 11 месяцев назад +1

    Thank you SO MUCH for making this video. I've haven't really thought about this angle of SF6 since I've been more focused on the drive rush pressure and defensive side of things and neutral confirms have been a big problem for me. This will definitely be helping me a ton as I try and improve.

  • @gengarisnotinsmash...
    @gengarisnotinsmash... Год назад +3

    Even when talking about actually wiff punishes in neutral, not spacing traps but actually reacting to someone wiffing a poke, you don't necessarily need to react in time to punish, you just need to react in time to get any sort of advantage. So you can do something like dash in with a light, so that if they press another button they get hit and if they block you get a tick throw. Or use your own poke afterwards and try to make sure it's at least blocked... Because if it gets blocked, you can set up a spacing trap. It can absolutely be useful to be able to wiff punish on reaction for a garenteed hit, but it's far from necessary.

  • @tencoth
    @tencoth Год назад +3

    4 months, going from silver 1 to diamond 1, and I’m still coming back to this video to learn

  • @jimzh7669
    @jimzh7669 Год назад +6

    Oh wow, actually visualizing this side by side is so good for people that need to see what your explaining. So many tutorials I've seen just talk about the idea but don't show more examples. This is big

  • @bright_and_breezy-n2e
    @bright_and_breezy-n2e 3 месяца назад +1

    Mr. Sajam helping me past my skill plateau, yessir

  • @shahs1221
    @shahs1221 Год назад +3

    As someone who hasn't touched a fighting game since Tekken 3 (and Def Jam + Virtua Fighter 5 as one of the Yakuza mini games) and solely been consuming it as a spectator, you, Maximilian Dood and Justin Wong make it such a fun and easy way to understand and appreciate the genre more! Bless 🙏

  • @brian_cream
    @brian_cream Год назад +1

    I wrote a comment on the last video about how i struggle with reactions. I wonder if sajam is paying attention because this is the exact video i needed. Gonna work on opening up my oponents with this a lot. Thanks dude.

  • @MissSchala
    @MissSchala 5 месяцев назад

    This is so helpful, thanks a lot for this and all your other SF6 breakdowns! You always make techs feel like I don’t need to be crazy high-level to pull it off, and now this helps me learn why it seems my opponents always manage to whiff punish me but I can’t react to them. Thank you!!

  • @AsterBTT
    @AsterBTT Год назад +3

    Perfectly timed video. I really struggled last night opening people up because I didn't know how to punish them after getting into that poking range. Gonna have to get back in the lab and learn what moves I can chain together to get this effect.

  • @MasterWingman
    @MasterWingman 10 дней назад

    I like how he explains the concepts. Everything makes sense.

  • @vinhilla3149
    @vinhilla3149 Год назад

    its helpful seeing most of the cast doing this concept youre showing off, thanks for including all types of characters doing this

  • @DanielLopez-gg1du
    @DanielLopez-gg1du Год назад +1

    This was one of the most helpful videos I’ve seen on fighting games

  • @iheartcake
    @iheartcake Год назад +1

    You don't need to see why kids love the taste of cinnamon toast crunch, as long as you're well spaced

  • @F.L._Bro
    @F.L._Bro Год назад

    The editing on this is top notch, really drives the point home.

  • @WaluTime
    @WaluTime Год назад

    love you for including everyone. I've gotten so used to tip videos being for everyone but grapplers lmao

  • @NECHALLENGER
    @NECHALLENGER Год назад

    This was in fact incredibly helpful. Thank you.

  • @jayhawk722
    @jayhawk722 Год назад

    Was actually thinking about this yesterday after my SF6 session. Great explanation and demonstration. It will take me a bit to get used to, but this will definitely help me in the long run. Much appreciated!

  • @kristofferrer
    @kristofferrer Год назад +1

    and just like that another subscriber. thank you for simple and effective tutorials

  • @VertebralGiant
    @VertebralGiant Год назад

    Short, informative, and well edited. Could not ask for better tutorials than the ones you put out.

  • @ssgcheddar5785
    @ssgcheddar5785 Год назад

    FANTASTIC video Sajam! Ive been playing fighting games for a long time now but now im actually getting into the frame data/whiff punish/spacing/OS etc... the good stuff 😊

  • @Sin00b
    @Sin00b Год назад

    possibly the most important sf6 video right now. This game is and will be all about spacing traps

  • @princesssweepzzt5502
    @princesssweepzzt5502 Год назад

    Sajam I have to sincerely thank you so much for this, for years I've thought that whiff punishing was just waiting for your opponent to do a move in neutral and then reacting to it, but this opened my eyes and is going to completely change how I play fighting games in the best way, thank you very much for this!

  • @Roberto-hp1ee
    @Roberto-hp1ee Год назад +1

    Damn, what a lesson!
    "if you think that's what footsies is, then you just don't get it"
    Yep, I didn't get it till now haha
    Thanks for the class, man! time to hit the lab!

  • @gwen9939
    @gwen9939 Год назад +1

    Moste with the highly efficient multi-screen editing

  • @supertray1
    @supertray1 Год назад

    I dont know how you do it but the way you explain things just makes sense, thank you

  • @ikinuhjan
    @ikinuhjan Год назад

    This was insanely helpful to me. I've been struggling with trying to react to pokes since the game came out, didn't know spacing traps were a thing. Will try to do this more from now on

  • @norrinorri
    @norrinorri Год назад

    The teacher we all need, but don't deserve.
    I was live for this. Expected it would show up in a youtube video.
    Beautifully crafted and condensed (editing and all that)
    Bring back Rumbelverse

  • @vovinia
    @vovinia Год назад +1

    I miss the unrelated anecdotes at the end of the videos, they always had some great wisdom to dispense.

  • @justAguyDs
    @justAguyDs Год назад

    this helped me a lot. finally got my cammy to gold. Awesome video as always dude. Thanks alot

  • @reeferconway7257
    @reeferconway7257 Год назад

    Bro, this explanation was so helpful. Much love 🙏

  • @TsukiiHato
    @TsukiiHato Год назад

    Thank for showing every example! Even if can be easy to find on my main, sometimes i'll just be completely oblivious on what works for my character.

  • @jetpichu6736
    @jetpichu6736 Год назад

    Sajam be keeping the ppl and check and i be living for it. " Stop typing on ur keyboard "

  • @Sol_Mooney
    @Sol_Mooney Год назад +1

    These edits are so good!!!

  • @deadringer-cultofdeathratt8813
    @deadringer-cultofdeathratt8813 Год назад +2

    As a Kimberly standing MK _enjoyer_ this is where 30% of my damage comes from.

  • @ERRandDEL
    @ERRandDEL Год назад

    This video is a nice follow-up to the Percival "learning how to learn" video.

  • @ChernDown4Wut
    @ChernDown4Wut 6 месяцев назад

    Truly one of the greatest tech videos. Thanks man

  • @legendstatus101
    @legendstatus101 Год назад

    The power within this thumbnail is truly something to behold.

  • @LeadAntagonist
    @LeadAntagonist Год назад

    Sajam, brother, I have shown this video to so many people, you are amazing.

  • @sTarT4231
    @sTarT4231 Год назад

    i appreciate you showing an example with all characters 🙏

  • @prophecy0731
    @prophecy0731 Год назад

    This edit was crazy. I knew it was useful. I appreciate your Cliffnotes on how to play with Chun. Sajam your like a viable UltraChen 2.0

  • @ramiabdalla2661
    @ramiabdalla2661 Год назад

    perfect video for me right now. i’ve really been trying to work on my footsies and have been struggling with the reaction part. this is good to know lol.

  • @finnExterminatus
    @finnExterminatus Год назад

    11/10 video, as always. Thanks sajam.

  • @thejokergotham384
    @thejokergotham384 9 месяцев назад

    I love the montage of every character proving his point lol

  • @scrubzbane
    @scrubzbane Год назад +2

    Thumbnail is golden

  • @CineGoodog
    @CineGoodog Год назад

    Really good video Sajam. Nice work.

  • @Summer_Tea
    @Summer_Tea Год назад +2

    I don't know why I've never been introduced to this concept before. My only other fighter was KI and I noticed a peculiarity where my go-to frame trap with Kim Wu would fail against Sabrewulf because his st. medium punch had so much more range than my frame trap follow-up and the spacing just barely allowed him to beat me even though I was playing by the math correctly. I never encountered this concept outside of that one situation that kept frustrating me... or so I thought. Now I think I've been falling prey to this shit in a variety of matchups without ever realizing it.

  • @Weebfox
    @Weebfox Год назад

    Stuff like this is amazing, especially for us casuals and newer players, great stuff!

  • @milln_lebn5763
    @milln_lebn5763 Год назад

    Man i feel like a buffoon, everyone's talking about how helpful this is and how well explained. And i don't understand a single thing...man

  • @Zayl1016
    @Zayl1016 Год назад

    As a big newbie to SF, I really appreciate showing the move you can do an every character

  • @ChibiMalzahar
    @ChibiMalzahar Год назад

    "Stop typing on your keybord" lovely

  • @unforgiven3035
    @unforgiven3035 3 месяца назад

    Just had a lecture on microelectronics where my professor said that the ways that we used to look at circuits are totally inefficient and we would make it “simple, stupid”. Technically what footises is, is just punishing the opponent for whiffing a move and intuitively we would think I need to react to their normals and input my own. But that isn’t necessarily easy and would need heavy conditioning and practice to pull consistently. Even players who are known for their hit confirms and whiff punishes can’t do it 100% of the time. But making it “simple, stupid” is what is happening here. Spacing traps don’t need you to do anything to get that punish. It’s automatic. You are waiting for them to slip up. Or sometimes just spacing out your normals in neutral when you see that they whiff random buttons can also result in a whiff punish. If you can’t raw react, if you can’t take it time to practice raw reacting then find ways to dumb it down so you can also replicate whiff punishing without it being as taxing as it would seem

  • @exiaR2x78
    @exiaR2x78 5 месяцев назад

    Something I find so funny, is before these were referred to as spacing traps someone from my locals called them space traps and we all had a good laugh about it. 2 years later everyones referring to it as spacing traps haha

  • @atomicskillet
    @atomicskillet Год назад

    Downloaded. Thanks!

  • @XenK64
    @XenK64 Год назад

    I appreciate the video editor.

  • @randerhaywood1163
    @randerhaywood1163 Год назад +1

    "Stop typing on your keyboard"😂😂

  • @Carrotss101
    @Carrotss101 Год назад +1

    Thanks sajam

  • @MadDogofTRANSYLVANIA
    @MadDogofTRANSYLVANIA Год назад

    I feel like I have just been exposed to the secrets of the universe

  • @OmnipotentO
    @OmnipotentO Год назад

    Put a neon sign and a star next to this one, folks. This is a big one you will need to reference for the rest of your fighting game career.

  • @joekewl7539
    @joekewl7539 Год назад +1

    12/10 thumbnail

  • @midorixiv
    @midorixiv Год назад +1

    'spacing trap' is a term I've heard in passing before, but I didn't realise its something I've just been doing all this time in other games, who cares if you're minus if the opponent can't actually reach you?

  • @solfatboy3822
    @solfatboy3822 Год назад

    He literally gave us everything we wanted. That Sajam guy alright by me.

  • @dizzi6585
    @dizzi6585 Год назад

    Sajam with the real game guides

  • @SM4SH3R
    @SM4SH3R Год назад +1

    DSP needs this video

  • @Mafiaboss58
    @Mafiaboss58 Год назад

    Protect Sajam at all cost 🙏

  • @pepi560
    @pepi560 Год назад

    Its crazy how much fun this game is

  • @tomkrawec
    @tomkrawec Год назад +2

    Godlike edits!

    • @tomkrawec
      @tomkrawec Год назад

      P.S. when you covered your eyes, I hope that was enough evidence that reactions are not needed to convince people XD

  • @Blargel
    @Blargel Год назад

    I kinda somewhat about knew this somewhere in my subconscious, but I've never thought about it consciously until now. Now I know another part of my game plan that needs improvement both on offense and defense.

  • @The4stro
    @The4stro Год назад

    bruh i've been playing fighting games since 2017, and never realized stuff like this

  • @SaberToothPortilla
    @SaberToothPortilla Год назад

    This so much. Having strong reactions is good, but just like with anything else, there's flowcharting involved so you make a move in the best way, even if it isn't the right move for what your opponent decided to do.
    It covers an option, so it's worth throwing out (if the risk is acceptable)

  • @quantum_leap786
    @quantum_leap786 Год назад

    bro fighting games are so incredibly hard to grasp. In this short video, I understood a very important concept that i'm sure will greatly improve my neutral. But then I think to myself, how many other vital concepts are there that I dont know about

  • @NaClSandwich
    @NaClSandwich Год назад

    Thanks Sajam. If you were here IRL I would totally shout you a sandwich. This is quality stuff.

  • @gonzogonzales8825
    @gonzogonzales8825 Год назад

    Best thumbnail ever 😂

  • @Kpsla
    @Kpsla Год назад +1

    Great video. I always had a hard time with friends that try to react to everything and I couldn't figure out to explain to them how I'm not reacting, I'm acting.

  • @3starherotranslation717
    @3starherotranslation717 Год назад

    Take notes and study this my fellow platinum boys! Let's grind together!

  • @Mr.Faust3
    @Mr.Faust3 Год назад

    Marisa: “Shh be very very quiet I’m hunting whiff punishes Hehehe”

  • @reaper0004
    @reaper0004 2 месяца назад

    Nice. Great vid

  • @LiangHuBBB
    @LiangHuBBB Год назад

    good stuff

  • @Mahamaru
    @Mahamaru Год назад

    Thumbnail go crazy 10/10

  • @lilliangoulston5706
    @lilliangoulston5706 Год назад

    My brain has just expanded by 20%

  • @Buruleque
    @Buruleque Год назад +12

    Can't wait to try this in Gold 1...... DRIVE IMPACT!!!!!!!!!!!

    • @Sorrelhas
      @Sorrelhas Год назад +8

      You only get to really play the game after you leave the early ranks, until then it's just waiting for the other person to do something dumb and punishing them
      Neutral in Bronze is just standing still

    • @236Doodad
      @236Doodad Год назад +1

      Or wait for my opponent to burn out from spamming DI. "Oh cool, I can play the Street Fighter video game now."

    • @EasterDude
      @EasterDude Год назад +6

      If you’re using a safe enough move after the spacing trap you can still DI back.

    • @Sorrelhas
      @Sorrelhas Год назад +3

      @@EasterDude Also if the button is special cancellable you can just let it rip

    • @azirlincurve2982
      @azirlincurve2982 Год назад +3

      @@Sorrelhas In diamond it's still like that

  • @rizqiefajar
    @rizqiefajar Год назад

    Appreciate the examples

  • @matthewmorrison3745
    @matthewmorrison3745 Год назад

    This in particular takes alot of matchup knowledge though but it's a good tool to have.