I still can't believe they gave us a WW2 game without the Red Army or the French Resistance. If they really wanted to show us the lesser known conflicts that also featured women and minorities, they could've given us battles in Paris or the Soviet-Japanese campaign.
You know what's the very opposite of this? Having Henry Cavill host a Warhammer 40K reveal event. The people love him as a person, not just as an actor and he has been very public about his passion for the game. Fuck, I bet he would even do it for free.
This game has one of the most cherished memories from the Internet I have when the game director for BFV was all like “if you don't like it, don't buy it” and then sales tanked massively compared to previous titles
People are still copy-pasting that quote around? The Wukong devs said something similar and people still bought it - the reddit guys championing a quote as the reason they didn't buy a game represents less than 1% of the normal people out there lol
@@Soulindex yeah, haven't heard anything about Wukong Devs saying that, so I'll need a source. However, other games, like concord most recently.....well it didn't work it too well for them
@@Soulindex Context is everything. Spend more time with people in real life and ponder the things called social cues. Also cry and cope more, get woke go broke.
@@SoulindexDifference being that Wukong Devs said it as legitimate advice, to not buy something you expect to not like. As you are already expecting it to not be what you are looking for. Meanwhile BFV and Concord Devs said in condescending context and tone, effectively telling you to sod off. One was advice, the other was an insult. Go figure what tanked the sales. Doesn't seem obvious, does it?
I remember seeing hook hand soldier lady and katana dude and thinking, "Okay obviously this doesn't take place in World War II..." And then they said, "No no this was totally how WWII was like!" and they lost me.
It is ridiculous, but there WAS a woman who was a Special Operations Agent, who had a prosthetic leg, and fought with the French Resistance. And there WAS a brithis soldier who carried a Scottish broadsword with him on the battlefield, and allegedly use it to kill Germans. And I have read an eye witness testimony of a German solder who said he shot and killed a US marine in Italy that had a Japanese katana ... but I think that story was never confirmed (and most likely never since it happened so long ago). So yeah, the execution of these stories was horribly bad, but they were still inspired by truth ... Like the whole single player campaign set in Norway, about stopping the H-bomb research. THAT really happened. It was NOTHING like in the game, but it really did happen!
@@Grubnar No, she did not. She was a spy, which requires a different set of skills than an actual soldier. The French Resistance, contrary to popular belief, were not all combatants. In fact, the vast majority of them were simply informants. The Scottish dude was accurate. The British Army were certainly with such oddities. There was also a guy who always brought an umbrella with him and another who kept a small dog. As for US Marines with a katana, I am unsure if any Marine unit was rotated out of the Pacific and sent to the European front.
@@Grubnar there were no Marines on the battlefield in the European Theater. Eisenhower did not care for the Marine Corps, and did not want them getting any credit for any battles in Europe. This went so deep that the Army actually invented their amphibious landing doctrine from scratch, rather than consulting with Marine Corps amphibious landing specialists.
On Cpt. Hook I'd say it's not as much that it's impossible for woman, even amputee woman to be on the battlefield But the whole squad of Cpt. Hook, Kratos and catana wielding dude just is impossible Because when you look at WW2 stories you will find examples of each one of these, but they were specific cases spread out over whole world Not grouped together like they're D&D adventuring party
I think that if there was just Cpt Hook, people would still complain. She's just so jarring and the camera focuses on her too much. If she were here and there in the middle of the action, it would probably spark some typical negative commentary, but wouldn't influence the image nearly as much. But yeah, I cannot imagine how deep the execs and decision makers had to have been stuck in their own asses to not realize a realistic WW2 battlefield game would be a bad place to have a squad of fantasy RPG soldiers from the Avengers multiverse as the main focus of the reveal trailer.
Trevor: Looking badass is the most important thing in war. Friends of mine that have been in combat: Not standing out and fitting in with your surrounds, along with taking care of those to your left and right is the most important thing.
yeah what a retard maybe in ancient combat with swords looking imposing was helpful for morale or striking fear or whatever but with guns one wants to be as inconspicuous as possible [why camo is so big in modern world] did this dev actual work on a war game lol
My grandfather and great aunt fought in WW2 and I recall my grandfather telling me how every single day he woke up he knew before sniping nazis that he needed his cool leather jacket and katana blade. My great aunt used to wear her hook hand for the holidays...turkey carving was always something to behold!
Most people are aware if the phrase “The Customer is always right” but the entire phrase is “The Customer is Always right in matters of taste.” You don’t get to decide what customers want or don’t want. And they didn’t want what EA was selling.
"Don't like it, don't buy it" What idiots that say that stuff fail to understand is that it takes more effort for them to develop a game (that may or may not be good) than for people to simply not open their wallets. Plus, the sense of vindication in seeing a game whose devs told you that crash and burn feels so so good.
About the hook-hand lady...I honestly wouldn't mind IF they didn't keep the "immersive WW2 experience" mentality. TBH, I don't even mind that she wasn't from a known historical group of women fighting in WW2, even though that would've been way cooler. It's that I, as anybody else, could smell that they were going to inject cosmetics either as paid DLC or battlepasses and that's the last thing I wanted. I just want to chill, play a bit, check out, come back later and have fun again, with no FOMO or other shenanigans. Then, the "right side of history" stuff and the throwing labels at people despite if they were a toxic misogynist or if they had very reasonably grievances, was the final nail in the coffin. Reading and seeing those posts convinced me that the team had stuck their heads up their asses with their stupid ideologies rather than making a cool and fun game first. It told me where their priorities were at and, even if I had 0 issues with the game, I would've checked out and ignored it because of that.
Lastly, if the discourse gets as bad as the BFV one did, I don't care how good they make the game later. They showed their colors at launch, shunned their fans, called them horrible labels and told them the game is not for them. I not only will not give a company like this money but, unless I see firings, restructurings and a complete change of course towards meeting players' expectations first and foremost, I won't buy any subsequent games that the company puts out. I just don't want to support people who think so lowly of me. They're rude and prejudiced and they deserve to see their projects bomb and become financial losses until their companies get cannibalize by the industry.
Especially over something dumb like this. Were women involved highly in WW2? Yes, historically there are many women who did many important jobs and even fought and aided their particular country/side in the war efforts beyond just being a battlefield nurse or working factory jobs so the men could be out there. Yes, you could totally show these women in cutscenes and even have insert characters that could be these women with benefits to their skills that players can play as. However, none of them are represented properly in this game even if you wanted to have some "creative license" with how it works (which we all know some historic games like to do *coughassassinscreedcough*) And I've seen game studios do the 'don't like don't buy' and not fail but it was because people were whining less about "historical accuracy/gameplay" and more pointing at something and wanting to start a flame war. "Oh, look... these guys allow same gender relationships "I'm going to call for this game to be canceled because *insert dumb reason that wants to push some agenda over actual game accuracy/quality* Dev: Don't like it? Don't buy it. Simple as that. We make games that we believe our players will enjoy and if you won't enjoy it then don't play it. *Game proceeds to get bought by people who enjoy the game and don't care about whatever people were whining about*
You didn'r mention it but I remember clearly how the product manager or whoever was presenting the game with Trevor Noah tried to deflect criticism by saying that "he made the game this way because his young daughter wanted to feel more represented in the game." Lol... the most accurate depiction of World War 2 game with characters from Saint's Row 2. I can't explain why but the guy was so gringe for me like: "Okay so told your daughter that World War 2 was like a Saints Row game with fights between Wacky moded character and then took that to your game and promised immersion but instead of being honest with your kid, you doubled down on your lies AND you tried to lie to your customers to cover it up?!? AND when the criticism came, you used your daughter as a shield against criticism?!?" Bruh! That is just scummy...
The dumb thing is that you can have that representation and historical accuracy. Because there were women who fought in WWII. Like Lyudmila Pavlichenko, the Russian sniper with 309 kills to her credit.
These people are all over and are taking over at least the west's entire entertainment industries. Not just gaming but also filming/television and literature and comics. They take hold of existing IPs and sabotage them from within, and it can be said they get paid to ruin original or awesome works so people can't enjoy life.
I think the biggest issue is they have that in Battlefeild, a game series set in real wars and the time, trying to be as accurate as possible. If this was a new IP set in an alt history, like Wolfenstain, I'm sure people would be more forgiving with it. But not battlefield fans.
BF1 already did that by adding in fully auto weapons that never actually saw real use and never passed the prototype stage just to have an array of automatic guns. No one cared about the lack of accuracy then. That said, BFV had issues, but the German campaign was at least a banger, showing the dichotomy between older troops and the younger, heavily indoctrinated troops. Also every battle WAS a historical thing in 5. Had they had you play as the correct people in the Scandinavian section it would have been way less hated.
I believe if the developers said something like: "Oops I overhyped the immersion and realism, haha you are right to razz us. We take that with good humor. We've obviously taken some artistic liberties and I hope you'll join with us on a unique WW2 game experience because we love our fans." they would have had a more successful launch.
Wolfenstein is painfully stupid like the scene in the new colossus at the end where his 9 month pregnant wife tears off her shirt while dual wielding machine guns and gets nazi blood on her breasts or the fact bj dad is supposedly a racist but married a Jew or the Un skippable cutscene that even on mein leben forces you to rewatch bj being forced to murder his dog by his dad. Hopefully the area where the swedish dev is becomes extra vibrant like malmo in a few years id love the sweet irony after they made that preachy train wreck like the nazis have a base on venus in the 60's and im supposed to believe they are the bad guys the messaging is flat out nonsense where they supposed stole something from jews to get super tech but its all just jew murder nazi porn with absurd caricatures it was either financed by jews or had jew writers the extra lowbrow kind like that monstrous Sacha Cohen Baron that dont even show the goyim enough respect to make their subversion layered maybe its better that way
@@Correction-zl2oeI have no idea what you are saying. But BJ racist or not (pretty sure he just hates Nazi's) and even though he looks like the Nazis perfect person (big, strong, blond, light skinned). He is Jewish.
@@andrewalexander9508 I think what's being said is that his dad was racist yet married a Jewish woman. Personally, his dad was a scumbag and was hateful towards everything and everybody, going as far as being racist when speaking about specific people at specific times.
It exists but it wouldn't do too much. It still makes you disabled and largely unfit for frontline serivice. Some serious nepotism has to happen in order to allow anyone with that in the special forces and it'd be in fact sign of things going badly.
@@willyvereb Yeah, because, as we all know, things were going swimmingly during WW2. Not like men under 18/over 60, women, disabled people, mentally handicapped, prisoners, basically anyone who could hold a rifle or take a bullet were all being conscripted into battle by desperate nations who had lost millions of people. The woman defending her Eastern European village with her neighbors and a rifle left over from the previous world war is definitely there because of nepotism.
@@robertshay8609 She's special forces, that's the main issue. If she were a guerilla or some kind of desperate volunteer then it could work. Also, conscription of women was almost unheard of. They most women fighting in WW2 if not all were volunteers. And if anyone with a figment of sensibilities saw a cripple woman fighting they would have forced her off the battle. That's just how period sensibilities were.
Saying it is not only an insult to the players' willpower but their intelligence, because they're acting like players didn't know "don't like don't buy" was already an option, and, subsequently, acting like they're still going to buy it anyway.
@Darkchipper07 concord failed bc the gameplay was sluggish to some players Some players didn't play bc they were annoyed at the dev team (some of the team) Some players didn't play bc the designs were hideous Some didn't play bc it was a "meme-able" game There are many reasons the game failed, but if you think "don't like dont play," it is why I said it failed 👍🏽
BF 1 soundtrack made it feel sincerely BAD ASS! Also....Trevor saying "Looking badass is important, anyone who's been in war will agree." SAID NO ONE WHO'S EVER SERVED EVER! Who gives a shit how you look on the battlefield as long as you get out alive that's literally all anyone that has served cares about.
Clearly a joke… like I am all for criticizing the issues of marketing across the board. But Trevor was clearly joking when he said that. He even laughed
Because it is true, everything sucks, is woke and just not cool - and youtubers are taking advantage of it, what the hell are they gonna do? make good content based on what good games?
@@matthewlea5027 oh I would've been 100% on board. DEI still wasn't as fully prevalent back when this was advertised as it is today, so before I knew of its implications I was all for what I thought the game would be haha
Yeah, it looked nothing like ww2, it was very weird but they could've made it work if it was it's own setting and not just ""historically-accurate"" ww2 (with prosthetics and the choice to play as a scottish samurai lady in the african front fighting for russia)
BFV kinda was BF1 in WW2, thing is, their leadership fucked up so badly that the ambitions of hundreds of people working earnestly were dashed hard. They wanted to create an even better BF1 and then it ended up being ruined by people who should had their careers end with this mistake... yet they pretty much continue to blight this industry without reprecursions. When a society doesn't hold their guilty accountable you get oligarchies and authocracies. So long these parasites are allowed to fester, you'll see history repeating itself.
Well if it were Russians fighting against the nazis it would have made a lot more sense, since women did participate in the war directly on the eastern front. Emphasis on "eastern front"
My issue wasn't the female, she could have been a local resistance fighter, or, as people have pointed out, just set the thing in russus. But the robot arm was too far!
This is all because a developer's daughter. His reasoning was that she could be a girl in Fortnite, and so that's what he did. He made a decision to appease his daughter, who probably never played the game.
The story was his underage daughter played the battlefield game then she asked her father why is there no women in the game? Instead of educating her the director make fanfic of world war for his daughter
Trevor Noah is already kind of cringy on his own. He suffers from the same staleness and unfunny demeanor that a lot of his fellow late night hosts do nowadays. It's no wonder he dropped the ball here.
Yeah, as an African (Nigerian) that baffles even me 😕 He is hardly known across much of Africa, aside from urban South Africa. It mainly America that made him "famous" and largely due to your culture war and identity politics stuff. Didn't he recently lose his gig hosting Jon Stewart's show due to low ratings?
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408 Not a fan of him, but every non white aren't Dei hirings 😖. He's definitely popular for a reason ... But yeah... Dei hire this Dei hire that... Next we gonna hear that Oprah is a Dei hire 😒
He is popular with the kind of people who clap at stand up comedy, not because what the comedian said was funny, but because the comedian said what they wanted to hear. "Claughter," as some people call it.
Now that I've seen the trailer from a bunch of different angles I just realized something... Not only is the lady one armed during WW2 on the front lines, but it's her right arm...the one holding the trigger... How the hell is she pulling that trigger???? How did the devs miss this???
Amazing how you drew the distinction between world-building and mechanics. Typically the arguments used to justify BFV's goofy cosmetics and goody world-building involve conflating those two. No game is ever going to simulate real life 100%, but it can most definitely simulate the atmosphere. 10/10 video, keep up the great work!
Verisimilitude is the word you are looking for. You can get away with deviation on minutia, but cramming in british female frontline soldiers with robotic hands sticks out like a sore thumb especially when I know why they have made that decision. It immediately destroys my interest because I’m not particularly fond of compromising creativity for the sake of pandering to cancerous bigots with little to no interest in the game, the franchise or the wider sub-culture beyond finger wagging at demographics they don’t like.
Apparently Ubisoft is attempting the exact same thing with assassin's Creed shadows. Literally some idiotic monetization employee is saying gamers are the problem.
The start of the trailer having no music would have been alright if it was only for that portion. But you KNOW there should have been a beat drop when they jumped out the window
Battlefield V has women, but no Supermarine Spitfire F. Mk.XIVe or Panzerkampfwagen VI-B Tiger II "Königstiger" We can agree what is a more important addition to a game about fighting in World War II. There ain't much to be honest in BFV in that department anyways, it's a sadder collection than BFI, because WWI is already underrated in those terms. But WWII is one where you need to show something, you can't throw Tiger and Sherman and leave. Plane wise I had a stroke, when I saw that the A6M2 and A6M5 had the same model, with a repaint, and even the paintjobs were..... The A6M2 was more commonly white, and the A6M5 was more commonly dark green. But the main thing is that the A6M5 has shorter wings with more area than the A6M2, and the A6M5 also has an entirely new exhaust system. There are no Russians..... WHERE THE FUCK IS MY LAVOCHKIN LA-7 REPRESENTATION, HUH?! I FEEL OFFENDED NOW! CANCEL NOW! and there were women in WWII, like Lydia Vladimirovna Litvyak. She was the first female ace pilot, who fought in a Yakovlev Yak-1 in Stalingrad. But I guess she's russian so she doesn't count.
Or the russian wife who's husband died, so she literally took his tank to the front lines! Or the french resistance operators who were made up of both men and women but the women were the ones operating out in the open and thus were more likely to get caught. Or the check Slovakian resistance members where women were literally given away as cover for the male operators as superficial wives to make the men parachuted in to be believable. I hate dice and EA for their absolute pissing all over the people died in that war
Pal, wars aren't a fairy-tale. Stop obsessing with them. You don't want war. Trust me. I don't know why you all got so pressed about a freaking videogame not portraying accurate atrocities you all romanticized. You all have issues.
@@vormundelite9122so then why tf is your bitch ass here in the comments then? You say they have issues when in reality they just want what was promised to them. Bitches like you always think you’re better than somebody
I remember when I first saw the trailer. I had no context so I thought, “Oh cool this is like a weird alternate history scenario.” Then I watched the reveal (with much displeasure) and the devs confirmed it was set in WW2. Which made me rewatch the trailer again and ask… How? It just seemed so bizarre because of the overall look and presentation. The hook handed lady, the katana guy among others. At least with BF1 I could take one look and say “That’s WW1.” I didn’t have that with BFV. Honestly if they had gone the route of alternate history it would have actually helped their case when it came to customisation. It would make the audience ask questions like “What else has changed? When did it start? How long has the war been going on for?”
The problem was the woman cyborg was in the Frontline.... No women wasinthe frontline carrying a weapon and doing the things they claimed on top of he fact that prosthetics back then were literally just stiff wooden thing that you cannot move at all and were there to reduce the looks you get from not having a limb by wearing long sleeves or long pants... Not only did they doubled down, they furthermore rewrote history in the campaigns and made womens as the ones who did things that changed the war and insulting long time fans of the franchised who had families that actually participate in those historical events.... It was a slap on top of another slap on top of a 3rd slap on to the face of the fans... And they never apologize and still to this day claimed its historically accurate...
When they saw the backlash from the trailer they reduced the forecast but they didn't expect more people to not buy the game and they didn't expect to actually lose hardcore fans when we found out that they rewrote history.... Yea I stopped at bf1... Bf2042 was a return to form and I did wish they just remove the whole gender bs.... I just want 2042 but no classes no gender bs no women crap... I just want a nameless soldier with a role and doing the objective....
He's absolutely right that one of the most crucial parts to marketing a new game is the initial advertisements, and anyone that has ever seen the ads for BF1 knows that it absolutely SLAPPED
One thing I'm really happy about that now if developers, publishers etc. say "don't like it, don't buy it" or "don't like it, don't watch it" people actually follow that suggestion.
For anyone wondering: Patrick Soderlund (mr. Don’t like it don’t buy it) is now the CEO of Embark studio. He left the battlefield team after EA gave him money(1 million dollars or so)
With battlefield 1 trailer, I have never pulled out my wallet faster than that. But with bfV trailer and the "don't like it, don't buy it" statement. I haven't spent a dime on battlefield since
Yea that BF1 trailer got me to go out and buy a new Xbox/BF1 package. I was holding onto my 360 up until that point. The BFV trailer made me feel severely disappointed in the direction the franchise went just 1 game later.
Years later I still remember where I was and what I was doing when I first saw the BF 1 reveal trailer. Can only say the same thing about a handful of games
I'm pretty sure that even if they had a man with the same hook hand it wouldn't be received any better either. Using a rifle effectively even with a modern prosthetic would be extremely difficult, let alone something as crude as that WW2 era hook hand.
Yeah it was one of the worst decisions to make when fans have been asking for a modern WW2 game that wasn’t CoD vanguard. Then they add a woman, who has a prosthetic arm, effectively wielding a sniper rifle, and she’s British lol
Game and Movie corporations take their customers for granted. Never attack the people to which you want to sell your product. People will remember how they were treated by your company's staff. Customer service is a key factor for success.
Its probably one of the most infuriating things because i knew from day one this game would fail and all I got was mockery and then when it did fail i didn't feel vindicated or happy, i felt sad because we tried to warn them, and they called us sexists for it.
I remember I played BF1 and was pretty excited when BFV was announced. However, that first trailer turned me away so far that I never knew they changed direction to better content that I just simple never gave the game a chance
Huh. That's fascinating. When you went over the issues with marketing immersion but breaking that same immersion from the trailer... I had no idea that BFV was regarded as the most "immersive" WW2 experience. When I saw the trailer, I thought the game was a fantasy-alternate-timeline take on WW2. That's why I never played it lol
Imagine if they told the story of a woman pretending to be a man in the war, Mulan style. Which DID happen and would be a unique and suspensful story as even her allies could be a threat because of her secret.
Great video dude. I never noticed the focus the cosmetics got in that trailer nor did I know of the Trevor Noah thing. This really should have been a slam dunk of a game for them. Following up the most popular title with a more well known setting, it's almost impressive how much they failed. Them not shutting up when people were mad was most a massive mistake, Players can see when a Dev wants to fix a game and a lot of the will be willing to wait, but insulting them has basically no benefits for anyone.
I mean EA funded it for a very long time and it became the WW2 BF which to be fair it was just a few devs. While the vast majority of the fan base were etheir upset, hating on it or just toxic.
Very true! You can even take a look at how bf4 was handled. That game was ridiculously buggy and broken at launch and received a lot of hate. But the devs took their time to work on it and now it is looked back on as one of the best Battlefields! Insulting is never ever the way to go.
@@TheCaptainPeach Yeah, for every game that gets a redemtion it feels like there is at least one that gets shafted by either the devs or the puplishers.
When have gaming companies got so comfortable blaming their customerbase for the game's lack of success 😂😂 It's like they don't care about making sales anymore.
I absolutely hated how you had to pay for every single piece of cosmetics in this damn game. I think I got maybe 2 face paints and a single full cosmetic suit after hours and hours of gameplay. I hate how it’s the standard now that unlockables are really just paid dlc’s
Dise could have diffused the whole situation simply by saying "yeah, in the trailer we wanted to show off the massive amount of customization available in the game" and called it the "asset demonstration trailer", and focused other trailers on the authenticity. Everybody would have been happy. But instead, they insulted their customers.
I'm going to disagree with the “no music” choice for what went wrong with the trailer. It all depends on the overall theme of what you’re showing needs to convey. Since what you're showing is a nonstop frantic gun battle, having background music to enhance the chaotic feeling is a good choice, but it has to be the right type of music. The other option which is just as good is having no background music to invoke a real-world aspect where the sounds of the battle are nerve-wracking enough to stand on their own. It of course doesn't change all of the other mistakes that were made, but I just wanted to mention that.
At least they learned one of two lessons with 2042. That remix of Kickstart My Heart was legendary, but the trailer only existed to show what 128 players in a match could look like. Otherwise it was pretty much vanilla BF4 (levolution, weapons, vehicles, etc) with BF3 levels of BLUE and a setting that didn’t go anywhere, not even towards 2142
Oh, something strange that happened shortly before the release of this game is that there was no dubbing for the language of my country (Brazilian Portuguese) even though the franchise already had dubbing since 4, they said they wouldn't dub because they wanted immersion and they didn't speak Portuguese in WWII, they gradually backtracked, putting dubbing only in multiplayer mode.
They really should have led with the BFV opening cinematic where it jumps to different perspectives and let you play small snippets before jumping to the next one. The tone of that is way better and more respectful of the setting. The initial reception would have been way better instead of the back and forth discourse about female soldiers with robot arms. Its really a shame it went down the way it did, I had a lot of hope for the game when it initially came out but this on top of all the other small missteps over the games life cycle (TTK changes, buggy patches, hackers) really made me stay away from it. You can tell that the devs put a lot of time and effort into details and mechanics but everything got kneecapped by this one stupid trailer and the comments that came afterwards. Someday I hope someone does a nitty gritty breakdown of this game from reveal to the final patch, it could really use an autopsy of what went wrong with it and what it did right.
Yeah that definitely would have gone over much better! I remember reading years ago that one of the original ideas was to do a "Band of Brothers" style trailer with a voice-over of Tom Hardy. If only..
I was there, 3000 years ago. I still remember the feeling the trailer gave me after they hyped it so much and then I got my expectation subverted. I dont care about the unknow battles, I wanted the most reconginazable and decisive battles of the biggest conflict in human history. And I got nothing close to that, it didnt feel like ww2. The cover of the game perfectly sums up what is wrong this game. With the Pacific DLC they kind of managed to turn the tides with the battle of Iwo Jima but at that point it was too little too late. Kind of missed oportunity this game was.
I played BFV solidly for two years, but it was completely in spite of that horrific initial marketing. I remember feeling so incredibly disappointed by the tone of the trailer, and the less said about the Tre5or Noah thing the better. “Piloting a giant grand piano.” Jesus.
Trevor Noah for a Battlefield game? It's like that time they held a big anniversary celebration for Harley-Davidson and the special musical guest they brought in was Elton John. The 10,000 bikers on hand had the patience and class not to literally start a riot. Know your bloody audience.
Wingclipping infantry in BF42 over Pacific Islands, returning to the carrier, then driving said carrier over to the objective with everyone raining hell on the enemy from the carriers guns. 20 years ago. Sad how the series has fallen.
I want a female Polish or French Resistance and Soviet soldier or Colonial Troops from France and the UK (like Senegalese, Indians of Hindu/Muslim/Sikh origin, etc), the diversity is there and its historically accurate
I am an unapologetically spiteful sort of person.. If a company makes a game or movie or show, containing stuff that I don't like, then says, "If you don't like it, don't buy it.. We don't care!" .. Well, I won't care if they end up fixing the problem later and it turns out to be amazing. I still won't buy it. You're not going to talk to me like that and still get my money. You've already shown yourself to be a company that I have no desire supporting.
That trailer looks like a trailer for a whacky hero shooter with World War inspired visuals, not a WW2 game. Also, thank you for using Dead Island music. I love that game.
the scenes with trevor noah at the start were so awkward I almost instinctively closed that chrome tab to go watch something more interesting. I realized that what I was feeling was actually the meaning of the video, so I held back my urge and decided to play some lawnmowing simulator to calm my urge to close the video.
Imagine if dice had used the pacific theater DLC trailer for the main marketing with the game would’ve more believable and immersive but overall the gameplay would’ve kill off the player base because of how broken the game will be at release
What's even worse, that came right after one of the most cherished entries in the franchise (Battlefield 1), which had arguably the best reveal trailer of a game of all time
Bf 1 was so good that as someone who started playing on August 2023 , I literally regret not having a pc or a decent internet connection to have played this game when it came out .
Developers: don't like it, don't buy it.
Customers.: challenge accepted.
Developers: It's not our fault the game did not made a lot of sales Board of Directors. It's the fans fault for not buying our game. 😆
@@aliceandcat2228
Challenge Accepted.
Trousers Off.
This is one the only industries that thinks it can challenge the people who let them exist
@@pyrosupreme4473 Gamers are very forgiving (sadly). Ubisoft is finally finding out, and it's glorious.
@@griffin1366 Isn't Ubisoft literally only still on life support because of Quebec tax money?
BF1: How a trailer broke the Internet
BFV: How a trailer broke a franchise
Both were shit games
@@rusm5710 Tripping balls battlefield 1 was goated
@rusm5710 you tripping bf1 was the best one in campaign and multi-player
@@Simply_Melancholy tell us you didn't get the joke without saying I don't get it😂
@@DVaderYT What the hell? where do you see a joke in "Both were shit games" ? are u high or what?
I still can't believe they gave us a WW2 game without the Red Army or the French Resistance. If they really wanted to show us the lesser known conflicts that also featured women and minorities, they could've given us battles in Paris or the Soviet-Japanese campaign.
What hurts is they were working on a big Russian DLC similar to the Pacific War DLC but the game got cancelled shortly before it would have come out.
Or the Japanese-Chinese conflict. Particularly interesting because Germany supported China.
@@chrismath149 errr... not quite
@@TheCaptainPeach should have made it a day one available thing
@@chrismath149 more like Germany was allowing chinese people to escape from japanese concentration camps
You know what's the very opposite of this? Having Henry Cavill host a Warhammer 40K reveal event.
The people love him as a person, not just as an actor and he has been very public about his passion for the game.
Fuck, I bet he would even do it for free.
Maybe he'd do it if the payed him in minis. Give him a few armies to never be able to have the time to paint, 😅
Payed him with life time supplies of paint and Warhammer accessories will be worth his time 🤣
@@MrJackfriday
I think he would unironically accept that.
It would be Keanu/CyberPunk reveal levels of enthusiasm.
*paid @@x64600
This game has one of the most cherished memories from the Internet I have when the game director for BFV was all like “if you don't like it, don't buy it” and then sales tanked massively compared to previous titles
People are still copy-pasting that quote around? The Wukong devs said something similar and people still bought it - the reddit guys championing a quote as the reason they didn't buy a game represents less than 1% of the normal people out there lol
@@Soulindexhaven't heard of them saying that, but im pretty sure concord devs did too and look how the games going
@@Soulindex yeah, haven't heard anything about Wukong Devs saying that, so I'll need a source. However, other games, like concord most recently.....well it didn't work it too well for them
@@Soulindex Context is everything. Spend more time with people in real life and ponder the things called social cues. Also cry and cope more, get woke go broke.
@@SoulindexDifference being that Wukong Devs said it as legitimate advice, to not buy something you expect to not like. As you are already expecting it to not be what you are looking for.
Meanwhile BFV and Concord Devs said in condescending context and tone, effectively telling you to sod off.
One was advice, the other was an insult. Go figure what tanked the sales. Doesn't seem obvious, does it?
I remember seeing hook hand soldier lady and katana dude and thinking, "Okay obviously this doesn't take place in World War II..." And then they said, "No no this was totally how WWII was like!" and they lost me.
Kinda why I skipped this bfV and not played it to this day... But bf2042 killed the franchise dead....
'And here we see a giant enemy crab...'
It is ridiculous, but there WAS a woman who was a Special Operations Agent, who had a prosthetic leg, and fought with the French Resistance. And there WAS a brithis soldier who carried a Scottish broadsword with him on the battlefield, and allegedly use it to kill Germans.
And I have read an eye witness testimony of a German solder who said he shot and killed a US marine in Italy that had a Japanese katana ... but I think that story was never confirmed (and most likely never since it happened so long ago).
So yeah, the execution of these stories was horribly bad, but they were still inspired by truth ... Like the whole single player campaign set in Norway, about stopping the H-bomb research. THAT really happened. It was NOTHING like in the game, but it really did happen!
@@Grubnar No, she did not. She was a spy, which requires a different set of skills than an actual soldier. The French Resistance, contrary to popular belief, were not all combatants. In fact, the vast majority of them were simply informants.
The Scottish dude was accurate. The British Army were certainly with such oddities. There was also a guy who always brought an umbrella with him and another who kept a small dog.
As for US Marines with a katana, I am unsure if any Marine unit was rotated out of the Pacific and sent to the European front.
@@Grubnar there were no Marines on the battlefield in the European Theater. Eisenhower did not care for the Marine Corps, and did not want them getting any credit for any battles in Europe. This went so deep that the Army actually invented their amphibious landing doctrine from scratch, rather than consulting with Marine Corps amphibious landing specialists.
imagine misunderstanding your own audience THAT badly.
Ubisoft just said: Hold my baguette
at this point its the standard
They don't like their audience.
That DEI money was worth more to them than their customers money.
They all are sucking up to the woke MODERN audience, all 10 of them…..
Dice and EA: If you don’t like it don’t buy it
Battlefield fans: Okay
*Battlefield 5 flops financially*
Battlefield 5 pacific did make BF5 a little more popular, but the game is still garbage.....Just buy BF4 if you want a good bf game.
You know what they say “vote with your wallets!”
Dice and EA: Why didn't anyone buy our game??? What happened???
Then labelled fans as toxic, bigot and 'phobic for the unimpressive sales
@@AH-64E_apachehonestly I love battlefield 4 it’s crazy to think that game is over 10 years old now.
On Cpt. Hook
I'd say it's not as much that it's impossible for woman, even amputee woman to be on the battlefield
But the whole squad of Cpt. Hook, Kratos and catana wielding dude just is impossible
Because when you look at WW2 stories you will find examples of each one of these, but they were specific cases spread out over whole world
Not grouped together like they're D&D adventuring party
Catering to child power fantasies. Makes me seriously miss the 150 player servers of Novalogic.
I think that if there was just Cpt Hook, people would still complain. She's just so jarring and the camera focuses on her too much. If she were here and there in the middle of the action, it would probably spark some typical negative commentary, but wouldn't influence the image nearly as much.
But yeah, I cannot imagine how deep the execs and decision makers had to have been stuck in their own asses to not realize a realistic WW2 battlefield game would be a bad place to have a squad of fantasy RPG soldiers from the Avengers multiverse as the main focus of the reveal trailer.
Bro she has a metal prosthetic and she’s a sniper class. It literally makes no sense at all to have such a combination
Trevor: Looking badass is the most important thing in war.
Friends of mine that have been in combat: Not standing out and fitting in with your surrounds, along with taking care of those to your left and right is the most important thing.
He was being sarcastic. Obviously.
The pre-20th century war mentality
How much does it pay to sit behind a desk and mentally masturbate?
Woods: Looks don't count for shit in the jungle.
yeah what a retard maybe in ancient combat with swords looking imposing was helpful for morale or striking fear or whatever but with guns one wants to be as inconspicuous as possible [why camo is so big in modern world] did this dev actual work on a war game lol
My grandfather and great aunt fought in WW2 and I recall my grandfather telling me how every single day he woke up he knew before sniping nazis that he needed his cool leather jacket and katana blade. My great aunt used to wear her hook hand for the holidays...turkey carving was always something to behold!
🤣🤣🤣
That sounds freaking cool. Badass grandpa and grandaunt... They should be proud.
Most people are aware if the phrase “The Customer is always right” but the entire phrase is “The Customer is Always right in matters of taste.” You don’t get to decide what customers want or don’t want. And they didn’t want what EA was selling.
Isn't that the exact point if what you just said
"Don't like it, don't buy it"
What idiots that say that stuff fail to understand is that it takes more effort for them to develop a game (that may or may not be good) than for people to simply not open their wallets.
Plus, the sense of vindication in seeing a game whose devs told you that crash and burn feels so so good.
About the hook-hand lady...I honestly wouldn't mind IF they didn't keep the "immersive WW2 experience" mentality.
TBH, I don't even mind that she wasn't from a known historical group of women fighting in WW2, even though that would've been way cooler.
It's that I, as anybody else, could smell that they were going to inject cosmetics either as paid DLC or battlepasses and that's the last thing I wanted. I just want to chill, play a bit, check out, come back later and have fun again, with no FOMO or other shenanigans.
Then, the "right side of history" stuff and the throwing labels at people despite if they were a toxic misogynist or if they had very reasonably grievances, was the final nail in the coffin.
Reading and seeing those posts convinced me that the team had stuck their heads up their asses with their stupid ideologies rather than making a cool and fun game first. It told me where their priorities were at and, even if I had 0 issues with the game, I would've checked out and ignored it because of that.
Lastly, if the discourse gets as bad as the BFV one did, I don't care how good they make the game later.
They showed their colors at launch, shunned their fans, called them horrible labels and told them the game is not for them.
I not only will not give a company like this money but, unless I see firings, restructurings and a complete change of course towards meeting players' expectations first and foremost, I won't buy any subsequent games that the company puts out.
I just don't want to support people who think so lowly of me. They're rude and prejudiced and they deserve to see their projects bomb and become financial losses until their companies get cannibalize by the industry.
Especially over something dumb like this.
Were women involved highly in WW2? Yes, historically there are many women who did many important jobs and even fought and aided their particular country/side in the war efforts beyond just being a battlefield nurse or working factory jobs so the men could be out there. Yes, you could totally show these women in cutscenes and even have insert characters that could be these women with benefits to their skills that players can play as. However, none of them are represented properly in this game even if you wanted to have some "creative license" with how it works (which we all know some historic games like to do *coughassassinscreedcough*)
And I've seen game studios do the 'don't like don't buy' and not fail but it was because people were whining less about "historical accuracy/gameplay" and more pointing at something and wanting to start a flame war. "Oh, look... these guys allow same gender relationships "I'm going to call for this game to be canceled because *insert dumb reason that wants to push some agenda over actual game accuracy/quality*
Dev: Don't like it? Don't buy it. Simple as that. We make games that we believe our players will enjoy and if you won't enjoy it then don't play it.
*Game proceeds to get bought by people who enjoy the game and don't care about whatever people were whining about*
You didn'r mention it but I remember clearly how the product manager or whoever was presenting the game with Trevor Noah tried to deflect criticism by saying that "he made the game this way because his young daughter wanted to feel more represented in the game." Lol... the most accurate depiction of World War 2 game with characters from Saint's Row 2.
I can't explain why but the guy was so gringe for me like: "Okay so told your daughter that World War 2 was like a Saints Row game with fights between Wacky moded character and then took that to your game and promised immersion but instead of being honest with your kid, you doubled down on your lies AND you tried to lie to your customers to cover it up?!? AND when the criticism came, you used your daughter as a shield against criticism?!?" Bruh! That is just scummy...
He has some serious answering to do when his daughter grows up, yeah,,,
The dumb thing is that you can have that representation and historical accuracy. Because there were women who fought in WWII. Like Lyudmila Pavlichenko, the Russian sniper with 309 kills to her credit.
It's truly pathetic.
Emotional blackmail used by very scummy parents.
What a cnt.
Yea, but that would involve actual intelligent devs who are capable balancing "historical accuracy" with a potential "Creative license of history"
WOW WAIT MEN LIKE THIS GAME? Lets make it shit so they don't have fun.
Genius just genius, bravo.
Absolute idiots. Braindead logic
These people are all over and are taking over at least the west's entire entertainment industries. Not just gaming but also filming/television and literature and comics. They take hold of existing IPs and sabotage them from within, and it can be said they get paid to ruin original or awesome works so people can't enjoy life.
Those people are everywhere in the western entertainment industries not just gaming. Film, tv, novel, comics.
i am a male i didnt had any problem with bfv i still play it bud its best
Game was shit anyway, 99% of online games you get a cheater.
What do you mean? The allied armies were full of one-armed Scottish ginger women!
I think the biggest issue is they have that in Battlefeild, a game series set in real wars and the time, trying to be as accurate as possible. If this was a new IP set in an alt history, like Wolfenstain, I'm sure people would be more forgiving with it. But not battlefield fans.
BF1 already did that by adding in fully auto weapons that never actually saw real use and never passed the prototype stage just to have an array of automatic guns. No one cared about the lack of accuracy then.
That said, BFV had issues, but the German campaign was at least a banger, showing the dichotomy between older troops and the younger, heavily indoctrinated troops.
Also every battle WAS a historical thing in 5. Had they had you play as the correct people in the Scandinavian section it would have been way less hated.
I believe if the developers said something like: "Oops I overhyped the immersion and realism, haha you are right to razz us. We take that with good humor. We've obviously taken some artistic liberties and I hope you'll join with us on a unique WW2 game experience because we love our fans." they would have had a more successful launch.
Wolfenstein is painfully stupid like the scene in the new colossus at the end where his 9 month pregnant wife tears off her shirt while dual wielding machine guns and gets nazi blood on her breasts or the fact bj dad is supposedly a racist but married a Jew or the Un skippable cutscene that even on mein leben forces you to rewatch bj being forced to murder his dog by his dad. Hopefully the area where the swedish dev is becomes extra vibrant like malmo in a few years id love the sweet irony after they made that preachy train wreck like the nazis have a base on venus in the 60's and im supposed to believe they are the bad guys the messaging is flat out nonsense where they supposed stole something from jews to get super tech but its all just jew murder nazi porn with absurd caricatures it was either financed by jews or had jew writers the extra lowbrow kind like that monstrous Sacha Cohen Baron that dont even show the goyim enough respect to make their subversion layered maybe its better that way
@@Correction-zl2oeI have no idea what you are saying. But BJ racist or not (pretty sure he just hates Nazi's) and even though he looks like the Nazis perfect person (big, strong, blond, light skinned). He is Jewish.
@@andrewalexander9508 I think what's being said is that his dad was racist yet married a Jewish woman. Personally, his dad was a scumbag and was hateful towards everything and everybody, going as far as being racist when speaking about specific people at specific times.
a mechanized hand in WW2 is just odd
It exists but it wouldn't do too much. It still makes you disabled and largely unfit for frontline serivice. Some serious nepotism has to happen in order to allow anyone with that in the special forces and it'd be in fact sign of things going badly.
Would have made far more sense in a WW2 faction that was never added: French Resistance... let any civilian guerillas.
@@willyvereb Yeah, because, as we all know, things were going swimmingly during WW2. Not like men under 18/over 60, women, disabled people, mentally handicapped, prisoners, basically anyone who could hold a rifle or take a bullet were all being conscripted into battle by desperate nations who had lost millions of people. The woman defending her Eastern European village with her neighbors and a rifle left over from the previous world war is definitely there because of nepotism.
@@robertshay8609 She's special forces, that's the main issue. If she were a guerilla or some kind of desperate volunteer then it could work. Also, conscription of women was almost unheard of. They most women fighting in WW2 if not all were volunteers. And if anyone with a figment of sensibilities saw a cripple woman fighting they would have forced her off the battle. That's just how period sensibilities were.
Nothing says "immersion" like a club-wielding, non-binary cyborg with day-glo warpaint--in WWII.
🤣🤣🤣
Y'all proving the issue was the woman and not the break in immersion. Bigots.
bad example, every game is made better with non-binary cyborgs
@@CerberusPlusOne Sure thing lol
You know, after Concord's, "If you dont like our game, dont buy it," you'd think ppl would understand what not to say to make a game sale.
Saying it is not only an insult to the players' willpower but their intelligence, because they're acting like players didn't know "don't like don't buy" was already an option, and, subsequently, acting like they're still going to buy it anyway.
if you think that is the reason that concord failed i have a bridge to sell you.
@Darkchipper07 concord failed bc the gameplay was sluggish to some players
Some players didn't play bc they were annoyed at the dev team (some of the team)
Some players didn't play bc the designs were hideous
Some didn't play bc it was a "meme-able" game
There are many reasons the game failed, but if you think "don't like dont play," it is why I said it failed 👍🏽
That wasn't one of the reasons for concorde's failure, I think u r mixing it w something else
BF 1 soundtrack made it feel sincerely BAD ASS!
Also....Trevor saying "Looking badass is important, anyone who's been in war will agree." SAID NO ONE WHO'S EVER SERVED EVER! Who gives a shit how you look on the battlefield as long as you get out alive that's literally all anyone that has served cares about.
I agree with you. He came across like a total clown and that just sounded so stupid when he said that.
Clearly a joke… like I am all for criticizing the issues of marketing across the board. But Trevor was clearly joking when he said that. He even laughed
So obviously sarcasm I can't fathom not seeing that.
Bro made 4 videos about the same thing in 1 month and i've just been eating them up like a good consumer. I might want to consider touching grass.
Because it is true, everything sucks, is woke and just not cool - and youtubers are taking advantage of it, what the hell are they gonna do? make good content based on what good games?
@@AnteBoss Expanding your palate outside of Triple-A corproslop is advisable
Touching grass is overrated. Trust
I mean marketing is an interesting subject, and it's funny to see how companies repeatedly fail at something that should be quite easy
@@Temporal94 Double A ftw.
Originally when I saw the arm I thought this was an alt history steampunk ww2 or something, which actually sounds really cool
yes exactly imagine if they marketed the game like this instead
@@matthewlea5027 oh I would've been 100% on board. DEI still wasn't as fully prevalent back when this was advertised as it is today, so before I knew of its implications I was all for what I thought the game would be haha
Yeah, it looked nothing like ww2, it was very weird but they could've made it work if it was it's own setting and not just ""historically-accurate"" ww2 (with prosthetics and the choice to play as a scottish samurai lady in the african front fighting for russia)
Man, that would actually be a badass concept.
Still women wont be dying as the boys...
I was so excited when I thought it was going to be bf1 but in ww2..
It is? And BF2042 is BF1 in 2042?
@@GreenBlueWalkthrough Wait, Did I buy the wrong game because thats a blatant lie.
BFV kinda was BF1 in WW2, thing is, their leadership fucked up so badly that the ambitions of hundreds of people working earnestly were dashed hard. They wanted to create an even better BF1 and then it ended up being ruined by people who should had their careers end with this mistake... yet they pretty much continue to blight this industry without reprecursions. When a society doesn't hold their guilty accountable you get oligarchies and authocracies. So long these parasites are allowed to fester, you'll see history repeating itself.
I was thinking so too. I was jacked. That’s all they needed to be a major success. But nope. Captain Hook.
Ah yes, ill never forget all the brave woman who were drafted to fight and die in 2 world wars wearing make-up.
Well if it were Russians fighting against the nazis it would have made a lot more sense, since women did participate in the war directly on the eastern front.
Emphasis on "eastern front"
@@alejandroelluxray5298they even fought for the nazi’s towards the end. Though that was also when they just sent everyone
My issue wasn't the female, she could have been a local resistance fighter, or, as people have pointed out, just set the thing in russus.
But the robot arm was too far!
This is all because a developer's daughter.
His reasoning was that she could be a girl in Fortnite, and so that's what he did. He made a decision to appease his daughter, who probably never played the game.
She was underage to play Battlefield in the first place.
@@IR240474 nobody follows age restrictions
This is an old tactic. Leftists making up fake conversations with kids to push their agenda. They do this on Twitter all the time. He fooled you too.
The story was his underage daughter played the battlefield game then she asked her father why is there no women in the game? Instead of educating her the director make fanfic of world war for his daughter
@@RenStrive It's likely a completely fake story, a pretext to change the game to fit "the message". These people make up tales all the time.
Trevor Noah is already kind of cringy on his own. He suffers from the same staleness and unfunny demeanor that a lot of his fellow late night hosts do nowadays. It's no wonder he dropped the ball here.
That, plus an undying hate for half of Americans.
He got that Ellen vibe.
Trevor Noah's popularity is one of the greatest enigma's of our time
Yeah, as an African (Nigerian) that baffles even me 😕 He is hardly known across much of Africa, aside from urban South Africa. It mainly America that made him "famous" and largely due to your culture war and identity politics stuff. Didn't he recently lose his gig hosting Jon Stewart's show due to low ratings?
@@orboakin8074As an American, we think he only got famous because he knew friends in Hollywood. It would explain a lot.
he is charismatic enough but no jon stewart. f him. he dsnt care about the franchise and he showed that
@@themonsterunderyourbed9408
Not a fan of him, but every non white aren't Dei hirings 😖.
He's definitely popular for a reason ...
But yeah...
Dei hire this Dei hire that...
Next we gonna hear that Oprah is a Dei hire 😒
He is popular with the kind of people who clap at stand up comedy, not because what the comedian said was funny, but because the comedian said what they wanted to hear. "Claughter," as some people call it.
Now that I've seen the trailer from a bunch of different angles I just realized something... Not only is the lady one armed during WW2 on the front lines, but it's her right arm...the one holding the trigger... How the hell is she pulling that trigger???? How did the devs miss this???
Is it? Because i see it on her left in all of the scenes she is shown in.
@@raeishimura0:30 bro is either blind as fuck or trolling haha
@raeishimura I saw it flipping from left to right at times
Amazing how you drew the distinction between world-building and mechanics. Typically the arguments used to justify BFV's goofy cosmetics and goody world-building involve conflating those two. No game is ever going to simulate real life 100%, but it can most definitely simulate the atmosphere. 10/10 video, keep up the great work!
Verisimilitude is the word you are looking for. You can get away with deviation on minutia, but cramming in british female frontline soldiers with robotic hands sticks out like a sore thumb especially when I know why they have made that decision.
It immediately destroys my interest because I’m not particularly fond of compromising creativity for the sake of pandering to cancerous bigots with little to no interest in the game, the franchise or the wider sub-culture beyond finger wagging at demographics they don’t like.
Apparently Ubisoft is attempting the exact same thing with assassin's Creed shadows.
Literally some idiotic monetization employee is saying gamers are the problem.
Halo had proud mouth skin and other stuff before campaign 😂
The start of the trailer having no music would have been alright if it was only for that portion. But you KNOW there should have been a beat drop when they jumped out the window
you can drop the music for dramatic purposes but you gotta have it there in the first place for its dropping to actually hit
Battlefield V has women, but no Supermarine Spitfire F. Mk.XIVe or Panzerkampfwagen VI-B Tiger II "Königstiger"
We can agree what is a more important addition to a game about fighting in World War II.
There ain't much to be honest in BFV in that department anyways, it's a sadder collection than BFI, because WWI is already underrated in those terms.
But WWII is one where you need to show something, you can't throw Tiger and Sherman and leave.
Plane wise I had a stroke, when I saw that the A6M2 and A6M5 had the same model, with a repaint, and even the paintjobs were.....
The A6M2 was more commonly white, and the A6M5 was more commonly dark green.
But the main thing is that the A6M5 has shorter wings with more area than the A6M2, and the A6M5 also has an entirely new exhaust system.
There are no Russians.....
WHERE THE FUCK IS MY LAVOCHKIN LA-7 REPRESENTATION, HUH?! I FEEL OFFENDED NOW! CANCEL NOW!
and there were women in WWII, like Lydia Vladimirovna Litvyak.
She was the first female ace pilot, who fought in a Yakovlev Yak-1 in Stalingrad.
But I guess she's russian so she doesn't count.
Or the russian wife who's husband died, so she literally took his tank to the front lines! Or the french resistance operators who were made up of both men and women but the women were the ones operating out in the open and thus were more likely to get caught.
Or the check Slovakian resistance members where women were literally given away as cover for the male operators as superficial wives to make the men parachuted in to be believable.
I hate dice and EA for their absolute pissing all over the people died in that war
@@bonglandgregit is the time where DEI is slowly creeping into the Gaming Industry and DICE is one of those stupid idiots who took the bait. 😂
Pal, wars aren't a fairy-tale. Stop obsessing with them. You don't want war. Trust me. I don't know why you all got so pressed about a freaking videogame not portraying accurate atrocities you all romanticized. You all have issues.
@@vormundelite9122so then why tf is your bitch ass here in the comments then? You say they have issues when in reality they just want what was promised to them. Bitches like you always think you’re better than somebody
Never attack the hand that feeds you
I remember being so confused when I first saw this trailer.... My initial impression was that this was an alternate history or steampunk era game.
"If you don't like it, don't buy it."
Me: " Okay. " (Proceeds to buy Executive Assault and Executive Assault 2 instead).
I remember when I first saw the trailer. I had no context so I thought, “Oh cool this is like a weird alternate history scenario.” Then I watched the reveal (with much displeasure) and the devs confirmed it was set in WW2. Which made me rewatch the trailer again and ask… How? It just seemed so bizarre because of the overall look and presentation. The hook handed lady, the katana guy among others. At least with BF1 I could take one look and say “That’s WW1.” I didn’t have that with BFV. Honestly if they had gone the route of alternate history it would have actually helped their case when it came to customisation. It would make the audience ask questions like “What else has changed? When did it start? How long has the war been going on for?”
So captain hook isn't even a character? Fr. I'm only starting war stories in bfv since that was my fav in bf1.
@@metronome8471 Honestly those were probably the best part. It’s just a shame there were only a handful of them.
The problem was the woman cyborg was in the Frontline.... No women wasinthe frontline carrying a weapon and doing the things they claimed on top of he fact that prosthetics back then were literally just stiff wooden thing that you cannot move at all and were there to reduce the looks you get from not having a limb by wearing long sleeves or long pants...
Not only did they doubled down, they furthermore rewrote history in the campaigns and made womens as the ones who did things that changed the war and insulting long time fans of the franchised who had families that actually participate in those historical events.... It was a slap on top of another slap on top of a 3rd slap on to the face of the fans... And they never apologize and still to this day claimed its historically accurate...
When they saw the backlash from the trailer they reduced the forecast but they didn't expect more people to not buy the game and they didn't expect to actually lose hardcore fans when we found out that they rewrote history.... Yea I stopped at bf1... Bf2042 was a return to form and I did wish they just remove the whole gender bs.... I just want 2042 but no classes no gender bs no women crap... I just want a nameless soldier with a role and doing the objective....
Because that will be the most immersive battlefield game....
He's absolutely right that one of the most crucial parts to marketing a new game is the initial advertisements, and anyone that has ever seen the ads for BF1 knows that it absolutely SLAPPED
One thing I'm really happy about that now if developers, publishers etc. say "don't like it, don't buy it" or "don't like it, don't watch it" people actually follow that suggestion.
"This is the most immersive Battlefield yet."
"You keep on using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means."
For anyone wondering: Patrick Soderlund (mr. Don’t like it don’t buy it) is now the CEO of Embark studio. He left the battlefield team after EA gave him money(1 million dollars or so)
Trevor Noah is so cringe here. 😅
"No Maps Noah" 😂
Trevor Noah is always cringe.
I had to skip certain parts of the video because I couldn’t stand the second hand embarrassment 😂
(In general)
The word "here" was not necessary in this sentence, but I agree with the sentiment.
With battlefield 1 trailer, I have never pulled out my wallet faster than that. But with bfV trailer and the "don't like it, don't buy it" statement. I haven't spent a dime on battlefield since
Yea that BF1 trailer got me to go out and buy a new Xbox/BF1 package. I was holding onto my 360 up until that point. The BFV trailer made me feel severely disappointed in the direction the franchise went just 1 game later.
Years later I still remember where I was and what I was doing when I first saw the BF 1 reveal trailer. Can only say the same thing about a handful of games
I'm pretty sure that even if they had a man with the same hook hand it wouldn't be received any better either. Using a rifle effectively even with a modern prosthetic would be extremely difficult, let alone something as crude as that WW2 era hook hand.
Yeah it was one of the worst decisions to make when fans have been asking for a modern WW2 game that wasn’t CoD vanguard. Then they add a woman, who has a prosthetic arm, effectively wielding a sniper rifle, and she’s British lol
Game and Movie corporations take their customers for granted. Never attack the people to which you want to sell your product. People will remember how they were treated by your company's staff. Customer service is a key factor for success.
Bf1 aged like fine wine
Its probably one of the most infuriating things because i knew from day one this game would fail and all I got was mockery and then when it did fail i didn't feel vindicated or happy, i felt sad because we tried to warn them, and they called us sexists for it.
"Let's antagonize the paying customers, how could this possibly affect future EA?"
EA, most days.
I remember I played BF1 and was pretty excited when BFV was announced. However, that first trailer turned me away so far that I never knew they changed direction to better content that I just simple never gave the game a chance
I'm a world war two historian, I was appalled when I saw historical inaccuracies i swore off buying battlefield five
Same. Last CoD WW2 game was just as bad. Can’t stand modern social constructs in games based on real historical events.
Weird reasoning, considering not a single one of their previous games were historically accurate. 😂
@@TheJohhnyE Would you be less pedantic if he'd said "inauthentic" instead of "inaccurate"? No, I don't think you would.
@@TheJohhnyE There is a difference between making it generally feel accurate and making Battlefield Fortnite edition.
@@Shannon4710this. I loved battlefield for NOT being like CoD and NOT being like fortnite.
Huh. That's fascinating. When you went over the issues with marketing immersion but breaking that same immersion from the trailer... I had no idea that BFV was regarded as the most "immersive" WW2 experience. When I saw the trailer, I thought the game was a fantasy-alternate-timeline take on WW2. That's why I never played it lol
It had nothing to do with the lack of music. Music enhances a scene, but a good scene could be watched silent over and over again.
Imagine if they told the story of a woman pretending to be a man in the war, Mulan style. Which DID happen and would be a unique and suspensful story as even her allies could be a threat because of her secret.
Great video dude. I never noticed the focus the cosmetics got in that trailer nor did I know of the Trevor Noah thing. This really should have been a slam dunk of a game for them. Following up the most popular title with a more well known setting, it's almost impressive how much they failed. Them not shutting up when people were mad was most a massive mistake, Players can see when a Dev wants to fix a game and a lot of the will be willing to wait, but insulting them has basically no benefits for anyone.
I mean EA funded it for a very long time and it became the WW2 BF which to be fair it was just a few devs. While the vast majority of the fan base were etheir upset, hating on it or just toxic.
Very true! You can even take a look at how bf4 was handled. That game was ridiculously buggy and broken at launch and received a lot of hate. But the devs took their time to work on it and now it is looked back on as one of the best Battlefields! Insulting is never ever the way to go.
@@TheCaptainPeach Yeah, for every game that gets a redemtion it feels like there is at least one that gets shafted by either the devs or the puplishers.
When have gaming companies got so comfortable blaming their customerbase for the game's lack of success 😂😂
It's like they don't care about making sales anymore.
"Dont buy our product..."
"Why are we not hitting our sales goals?"
Having Trevor Noah involved in promoting Battlefield V is like having Lenny Henry in the LOTR TV series
You can do it
But why ?🤷♀
I just want to buy a game, I dont want to rent it or buy half of it and buy the rest piece by piece. Just sell me the game.
It felt like I waited almost an entire goddamn year just to play the german campaign.... like wtaf
I absolutely hated how you had to pay for every single piece of cosmetics in this damn game. I think I got maybe 2 face paints and a single full cosmetic suit after hours and hours of gameplay.
I hate how it’s the standard now that unlockables are really just paid dlc’s
@@sendingit2601we get it already with the whole unlockables are DLC, you have to accept it at some point
How DICE forced DEI into their game and destroyed their franchise... Ubisoft "Hold my Beer!"
Don't use words you don't understand.
@@TheJohhnyE Yes, because having Japanese women in the German army, and armless ladies on the frontlines of combat is *totally* not DEI garbage. 🙄
Just keep ignoring the problem like you always do @@TheJohhnyE
Dise could have diffused the whole situation simply by saying "yeah, in the trailer we wanted to show off the massive amount of customization available in the game" and called it the "asset demonstration trailer", and focused other trailers on the authenticity. Everybody would have been happy. But instead, they insulted their customers.
I'm going to disagree with the “no music” choice for what went wrong with the trailer. It all depends on the overall theme of what you’re showing needs to convey. Since what you're showing is a nonstop frantic gun battle, having background music to enhance the chaotic feeling is a good choice, but it has to be the right type of music. The other option which is just as good is having no background music to invoke a real-world aspect where the sounds of the battle are nerve-wracking enough to stand on their own. It of course doesn't change all of the other mistakes that were made, but I just wanted to mention that.
At least they learned one of two lessons with 2042. That remix of Kickstart My Heart was legendary, but the trailer only existed to show what 128 players in a match could look like. Otherwise it was pretty much vanilla BF4 (levolution, weapons, vehicles, etc) with BF3 levels of BLUE and a setting that didn’t go anywhere, not even towards 2142
7:30 love the use of music here, instantly started thinking about Dead Island, only took about a sec for me to recognise the point
That arm MOVES in the trailer, I swear to God I thought it was supposed to be an alternate reality or something, that’s a straight up robot arm.
Still waiting for Battlefield: Korean War or Battlefield: Civil War heck even Battlefield:Spanish-American War!!!
Oh, something strange that happened shortly before the release of this game is that there was no dubbing for the language of my country (Brazilian Portuguese) even though the franchise already had dubbing since 4, they said they wouldn't dub because they wanted immersion and they didn't speak Portuguese in WWII, they gradually backtracked, putting dubbing only in multiplayer mode.
They really should have led with the BFV opening cinematic where it jumps to different perspectives and let you play small snippets before jumping to the next one. The tone of that is way better and more respectful of the setting. The initial reception would have been way better instead of the back and forth discourse about female soldiers with robot arms.
Its really a shame it went down the way it did, I had a lot of hope for the game when it initially came out but this on top of all the other small missteps over the games life cycle (TTK changes, buggy patches, hackers) really made me stay away from it. You can tell that the devs put a lot of time and effort into details and mechanics but everything got kneecapped by this one stupid trailer and the comments that came afterwards.
Someday I hope someone does a nitty gritty breakdown of this game from reveal to the final patch, it could really use an autopsy of what went wrong with it and what it did right.
Yeah that definitely would have gone over much better! I remember reading years ago that one of the original ideas was to do a "Band of Brothers" style trailer with a voice-over of Tom Hardy. If only..
@@TheCaptainPeachthat would have been a guaranteed success, and really, it was what everyone expected and wanted. Talk about dropping the ball…
Tre5or Noah 😂
I loved bf1 ... this trailer and their attitude is what prevented me from investing any time in any other bf game.
I was there, 3000 years ago. I still remember the feeling the trailer gave me after they hyped it so much and then I got my expectation subverted. I dont care about the unknow battles, I wanted the most reconginazable and decisive battles of the biggest conflict in human history. And I got nothing close to that, it didnt feel like ww2. The cover of the game perfectly sums up what is wrong this game. With the Pacific DLC they kind of managed to turn the tides with the battle of Iwo Jima but at that point it was too little too late. Kind of missed oportunity this game was.
Battle of Iwo Jima? They really stuck to their "lesser known battles" focus 😂
Trevor noah is a bad choice for anything lol
15:15 I never played any battlefield games but just from general observation the soldiers here are giving Nam vibes with those helmets instead of wwii
I played BFV solidly for two years, but it was completely in spite of that horrific initial marketing. I remember feeling so incredibly disappointed by the tone of the trailer, and the less said about the Tre5or Noah thing the better. “Piloting a giant grand piano.” Jesus.
The music bit is interesting. I think the lack of music can also set a mood just as well. All comes down to execution.
If they claim immersion, I'd hipe for 1940s music.
The sad thing is the trailer for BF5 is technically amazing. Its “just” that its not BF and makes an absolute mockery of World War II.
Trevor Noah for a Battlefield game? It's like that time they held a big anniversary celebration for Harley-Davidson and the special musical guest they brought in was Elton John. The 10,000 bikers on hand had the patience and class not to literally start a riot. Know your bloody audience.
"They wanted a big event with a very recognizable face."
Who is this guy though?! I've never even heard of him until now.
A communist
Wingclipping infantry in BF42 over Pacific Islands, returning to the carrier, then driving said carrier over to the objective with everyone raining hell on the enemy from the carriers guns. 20 years ago. Sad how the series has fallen.
And what the makers need to understand is that their primary consumers are SICK TO DEATH OF GIRLBOSSING EVERYTHING!
I want a female Polish or French Resistance and Soviet soldier or Colonial Troops from France and the UK (like Senegalese, Indians of Hindu/Muslim/Sikh origin, etc), the diversity is there and its historically accurate
The "Who do you voodoo" music in the background from Dead Island bought back so many memories
Good ear! Yeah Dead Island was so freaking fun! Nothing quite like walking around the beaches with the boys kicking zombies.
@@TheCaptainPeach one of the best intro cutscenes in gaming, especially when you first start off in the hotel, it felt like a true horror game
I still bump it and the No Room in Hell on my commute. Great songs!
This reminds me of that time Ubisoft had Joel McHale do their E3 presentation.
7:51 wdym man... how he can say something like that?
I was going to say the same
Thats vile
I never forgave them for how badly the uniforms were. Hell, they wernt even german helmets on the germans, but hu garian ones instead
Remember how the British faction had a jacket that said "God save the Queen" on it when the British had a King during WW2?
I am an unapologetically spiteful sort of person.. If a company makes a game or movie or show, containing stuff that I don't like, then says, "If you don't like it, don't buy it.. We don't care!" .. Well, I won't care if they end up fixing the problem later and it turns out to be amazing. I still won't buy it. You're not going to talk to me like that and still get my money. You've already shown yourself to be a company that I have no desire supporting.
That trailer looks like a trailer for a whacky hero shooter with World War inspired visuals, not a WW2 game.
Also, thank you for using Dead Island music. I love that game.
the scenes with trevor noah at the start were so awkward I almost instinctively closed that chrome tab to go watch something more interesting.
I realized that what I was feeling was actually the meaning of the video, so I held back my urge and decided to play some lawnmowing simulator to calm my urge to close the video.
Imagine if dice had used the pacific theater DLC trailer for the main marketing with the game would’ve more believable and immersive but overall the gameplay would’ve kill off the player base because of how broken the game will be at release
9:35 yup that is what I was saying as well. They marketed on immersion and realism then they gave us that trailer lmao
The constant cuts to the reveal event are just hilarious
Boy, then this guy shouldn't know about Assasins creed. He ain't ready
That’s different….it killed a franchise and (possibly) an entire company!
What's even worse, that came right after one of the most cherished entries in the franchise (Battlefield 1), which had arguably the best reveal trailer of a game of all time
They declare war on us, the fans, and lost it.
Excuse me! Excuuuuuse me!!! Hook handed lady single handedly won the war for me.
Tarkov actually got a mostly realistic aesthetic and environment.
I just want Battlefield with Tarkov-levels of realism and detail.
This was better used for a multiplayer trailer.
Funnily enough, BF 2042 reveal was met positively, yet the game failed miserably.
Bf 1 was so good that as someone who started playing on August 2023 , I literally regret not having a pc or a decent internet connection to have played this game when it came out .