A friend of mine once said, "I'm sorry I don't play the game the way you want me to." and I've never looked at my own behavior while playing the same since.
My favorite salt moment was my college roommate playing Madden. The CPU had some BS comeback and he threw his controller at the couch. This was back in the day with wired PS controllers though, and the controller wire went taut. The controller arc'ed the air and flew out the window of our apartment. The controller wire popped out, sending the controller 13 stories to the parking lot below, but not before the wire pulled the PS off the console. The PS crashed to the floor, breaking his PS, also. That was a lesson for Scott.
@@AdamSmasherReal This part is nerdy, so I don't usually mention it, but you brought it up. I was a physics major, so I actually tested that (sort of). Because of the long flapping wire and plug on the end, a controller hits terminal velocity in about 3 stories. Dropping it from higher than that doesn't change it's speed. So really, it's like getting a PlayStation controller dropped on you from about 30 feet up. It would hurt, but it's actually not too bad. Hitting asphalt, though? Yeah, the controller still broke.
I once broke a Brian_F 19 game win streak with my birdie but ended up losing the set. the next day i checked out the stream and the things he said about me were not too nice. I felt like crap at first ,didn't play for a few days stopped watching Brian_F on you tube but later it gave me motivation to get better and to take the things he said about my play more as constructive criticism. Oh and clearly im back on watching Brian_F on RUclips lol
The quality of these discussions are very high for them just being clips from your stream. I play smash ultimate competitively but youre one of my favorite FGC content creators because of the depth of thought in these videos, keep up the good work!
oh wow, what a coincidence. i was going to share my salt story and it has to do with ultimate T.T see i started with melee, i was always a melee player, but i didn't live near a community and there wasn't online for it/i didn't want to play laggy melee, so i just stuck to smash 4 and and ultimate for 5 years. I quit smash 4 after losing to a 6 month old zss and throwing my laptop to the ground, breaking it. that was basically the end of smash online for me until ultimate came out and i said "well let's try again." but that didn't work out for me either. i don't remember all my rage moments aside from the last one where i threw my controller to the floor. it made me feel so bad, i didn't like that at all. from that point on, my salt turned into self loathing(and a more controlled hatred for the game) cause at least i wouldn't break shit anymore, and then finally, i quit ultimate and just practiced melee for no reason lol. but now that slippi is a thing, i can finally play my melee again after 5 years and i don't hate the game like i did 4 and ult. i still get incredibly frustrated with myself, but at least it's one thing and not 3. i'm still learning to channel my frustrations better, but i think i really learned that if you don't like a game, just don't play it. i'd rather be happy playing my melee and street fighter than be miserable by default with ultimate or whatever other traditional fighter isn't my cup of tea. dealing with salt is bad enough when you're the only source of it.
It's strange, I get super salty when fighting against bots but I'm actually really chill when fighting real humans. Obviously the problem is that I haven't fought enough real humans to get sick of their shit yet.
More seriously though, it really is a matter of *why* I play makes me salty. I play bots because there's a reward at the end of it and I want that reward, so losing makes me feel cheated out of a reward that I know I should have. When I play against people, I do it to play against people and get better. Win or lose, I still get what I wanted out of it. Playing for ranks or ladder points or for the tournament win you don't really get that, so losing is a bigger deal... especially when you've invested so much time into getting better only to still get destroyed.
@@kevingriffith6011 Playing ranked is totally different yeh. Knowing you can lose loads of points against lower ranks can put you on edge. You just have to keep focusing on why you lost and what you can change to prevent it from happening again.
@@gameclips5734 I don't really pay attention to the points I lose or gain. I figure if I deserve a rank all I have to do is keep playing and I'll get it. Losing ladder points didn't make me worse at the game, neither does losing a rank. As they say in starcraft, More GG more skill. Keep playing, don't sweat the losses. Wound up rematched with someone who smoked me earlier, one of those "no runback" types, and I manged to struggle a win out against him. I wasn't even mad when he unplugged his router and denied me the ladder points, that was funny to me more than it was frustrating. The only thing I lost for that was having a replay to dissect later, but I've got plenty of those.
@@kevingriffith6011 Yeh, you're right it doesn't matter but in the heat of the moment it's so easy to get worked up. Depends what mood you're in too I guess. I can cope with RQs, I just blacklist them after.
I’ve genuinely been brought to tears from a terrible session of street fighter,I was so angry at myself I started beating my thigh with my fist over and over until my eyes were watering from pain,I know it sounds pathetic that I could get that emotional about an online video game but being able to maintain and master a stable mental state while playing is so important
I laughed when I read your comment because I once asked my friend which Community he thought was more salty between the fgc and League of Legends and he said league is actually way worse because in a fighting game you just hate the other player but in League you hate the other team and you hate your own team LOL
The last time I played SFIV, it was 2012, and I ejected the disc and snapped it in half. The loss I was salty about was due to lag (no, really), but I should have known that my opponent was experiencing the same lag, and was just better than me regardless of the situation. Years later, I'm not bugged by it so much. I think I've finally settled into a place where I truly regard both the wins and losses as learning experiences to absorb, rather than judgments about my skill level or personal character.
You spiking your stick out of salt is really relatable and it's really cool that you make a video talking about this subject. I've split open my hand smashing my stick before and i've broken a lot of butons and a pad but i think the time that really got me thinking about my salt was when i bent the metal plate of my te2 that my mom got me for my birthday, it got me feeling really awful. Thankfully it's just the plate i'll fix the stick at some point but now i really try to stop playing when i feel that my frustration levels go up
Great video Brian F! This has helped me out alot lol. I got a confession to make: I was the salty player for awhile, and I still feel it in me. Like, full on tantrums, RQ, breaking shit: it was bad. But recently I feel like I'm able to control it, mainly because I found out a couple of tips, one of them being like you said, remembering that there's another person on the other side of the screen. Another big one that was really hard for to do is give my opponent credit when they do something that works, even if it is really fucking stupid to do. Because it's not stupid to wakeup super for instance if you get hit by it lol. Thanks so much man, and I hope I get good enough that I can play against you
Hearing this from a competitor is so great. I always assumed that salt is something I had to get rid of completely to get to a high level. But from this I can tell that it's not about not getting salty, it's about managing your salt in a healthy manner.
Great video, i've always wondered how players like smug can stay so calm and not get salty when they are losing. From the videos i've seen of your streams I thought you were really chilled too, I never would have guessed you'd smashed so many pads haha. I tend to get salty when I make the right read but mess up the execution or if my opponent gets punished for doing something random but then just does it again when I don't expect them to. Feels bad anyway
It was a great discussion in the comments as well. Brian gets in depth and I love when he challenges us to look into it more than we may think. SFV twitter is so good.
I found your videos around when SF6 came out and once and a while youtube throws an old one in the recommended, I really enjoyed this one a lot and I can relate to the occasional video game rage. It is weird too cause I am the most calm cool and collected guy in life in pretty much every situation to the point where people always take notice of it... But lose a few rounds in video games and I can feel the pressure starting to build lmao. Thanks for the welcome reminders that our fellow humans are on the other side of the screen.
Damn Brian that was a really moving story you told near the end of the vid. I mean seriously, how many people would willingly apologize to someone after they've wrong them in this day and age? People these days think that apologizing to someone after you've wronged them is a sign of weakness but I personally im glad that you stepped up to the plate, owned up to your mistake and did the right thing. I cant give you enough props for that Brian, well played. 👍👍👍
This is honestly the hardest thing I've had to keep in check since I started streaming again. But my secret is instead of calling them bad, I try to say "I'll body them next time." That's it. No questioning their actions. No questioning my decisions. Just declare to do better against them, and that's it. But for real, content like this is why you and Super Eyepatch Wolf are like, my two favorite RUclipsrs now.
I'm currently student teaching, and I can say as a teacher - sarcasm/humor is such an absurdly universal tool for dealing with tense situations. It's your bread-and-butter as someone standing in front of a group. You take resistance lightly, you make a joke about it, you minimize your portrayed ego. Most importantly, you won't burn out if you take things lightly. By all means, get serious when you escape the emotional vortex - but use humor and sarcasm to turn a negative situation into a positive one.
Sometimes you get emotional, and will say harsh stuff after a loss. When you realize somebody is on a state where the events that are happening might change his perspective emotionally, it's better to give him some space and don't take what the person say to heart. Even pros are still human beings with emotions, salt is normal.
hey if anyone else like me looks up "Greyskarr" on yt, be careful when clicking their channel "Greyskarr V" because for some reason they uploaded someone obviously not them having a mental breakdown & attempting to cut their wrist on camera edit: gone now, maybe cuz i reported it lmao
I already saw myself in James Chen shoes in a lot of situations (also spike some pads too, not happy about it), and actually droped SFV for a while a couple of times and return some months latter. I have beeing trying to work this and instead of beeing frustrated and angry with my mistakes, analyse the games and watch again some replays of matches that I lost (later I was only used to watch matches that I have won), to understand why I was beeing beat. My point is, working on this made me able to control it, and also make my game skills actually improve learning from my mistakes, so yesterday I managed to reach Gold rank, It might not sound much for some people, but I was for such a long time stuck in the 2500 - 3000 points range, that it was unlikelly think about transpass the 4000 points barrier a while ago.
I used to get super salty back then as well, but then as time went on I dont get as salty as much as I used to anymore and I actually show respect to my opponents and when I do get salty I know that I have to actually learn matchups and adapt to some of the stuff that was in the game. Awesome vid as always Brian.❤️❤️❤️
Excellent video. I was explaining to my friend the other day why i mainly play against friends and only grind ranked occasionally. There's no intimacy there, so its so easy to just forget there's another guy at the other side of that 3 bar snake edging Bryan. When my homie does that and we're in discord, its hilarious. When its a random online, not so much. Only discovered your channel recently, keep up the great content.
Late to the party but still had the urge to say how much I appreciate the video. I'm in a similar boat and while I'm also aware that many people feel this way, I still had difficulties relating to them. Your transparency and way of talking about the topic here was different though. It felt like I was standing in front of a mirror and reflecting on myself again to become more self aware of the issues so I can continue to try solving them in the future. Thanks again. Have a nice weekend and happy Christmas.
Hey Brian, your story of how you curb stomped your first stick sort of resonated with me. Well, more so got me thinking. I’m pretty young and relatively new to the fgc (at least on a level above pure casual), but I feel like my parents don’t enjoy me playing fighting games, granted I used to get very, very salty but I’ve definitely gotten better. Yet, whenever I jump on street fighter, even between matches and I’m just chilling, my parents still get really annoyed. A specific time that sticks in my memory is when they saw me playing SFV and asked me “why do you enjoy going online and beating people up?” In an angry/sarcastic tone. My parents didn’t grow up playing games of any kind, so I can semi-understand where it comes from, but I still feel like whenever I try to tell them anything regarding it they shut it down, I’ve had to find my own way to locals since I’m too young to have a license. Do you have any tips or advice of what I can do? Because I’m stumped. P.s they’re great parents btw, and they support me fully on everything else, it’s just this one hobby that they completely shut down.
Sorry I know this is a video from a year ago btw, I’ll add it to your latest vids so it’s more likely you’ll see this, thanks! I didn’t say it btw but I absolutely love your vids!
@mrosskne Oh, my bad. There was a midroll there when I watched it years ago that perfectly cut off the scream. I dunno that it exists anymore, I don't get ads anymore.
This has been the most enlightening conversation on salt i've ever seen, thank you for thinking about it deeply. It caused me to go on a deep dive of your videos (though I think it got started with "Daigo teaches me footsies video" FYI), and I was impressed with your resolve after the poison defeat. Wanted to add-in a single observation on that match that maybe you already recognize, but in case you missed it, maybe it will help you. I'll start off by taking you at your word that the critical error was spending meter early in that deciding match, you understand mechanics of street fighter much deeper than I do. But it seemed you already knew to conserve meter before that match started, so from my perspective, the real question is, why did you decide to spend meter early in that final round (Game 5, Round 3)? And my best guess comes from Game 5 Round 1 where you started strong, had him in the corner with a life lead and meter, and then ate a single crush counter, throw, throw, chip damage, etc that lead to you being pushed all the way across the screen, and importantly, you lost that round with full V-Trigger. Fast-forward to G5R3, and I think you'll notice a similar start compared to G5R1, but this time, you went for the early V-trigger. Anyway, my guess is that you have already reflected on that, but in case you haven't, make sure you analyze G5R1 as deeply as you did G5R3, because I think that's where the subconscious/automatic/in-game decision came from. I don't understand SF well enough to say what the hell happened in G5R1, I'll leave that to you, good sir. Anyways, i'm bothering with this massive text because I see you winning it all at some point in the not-too-distant future. Good luck
I think I'm just happy watching this video because it's a healthier, upfront, no BS kind of way to talk about a weakness most of us have. Thanks for this clip.
I think this video touched on something I'd been feeling in my own streaming. I am/was (I don't know anymore) like James Chen but more often silent about it. I feel empathy for that kind of salt and that kind of stream too. I'm glad you touched on this topic today.
This is why I subbed. Genuinely insightful and an important thing to think about for the small but scrappy FGC as it's growing and gaining eyes at a rapid rate. Great content.
This was a great talk and really elevated my respect for you Brian. I know the 'culture of the FGC' (putting that in quotes for a reason) seems to largely be that being an asshole is a personality and if you don't particularly care for that you're soft or whatever but you brought up a ton of great nuance here that gets lost in the 'if you can't handle it, get the fuck out' mentality a lot of people still cling to as gospel. As you said being decent to others doesn't have to come at the cost of passion for the game or passion for your personal craft at the game. This was even more interesting to me coming from someone who is a self professed salty motherfucker and still feels this way about being responsible about it and also learning to direct it well. TLDR great video, opens up great discussion, hope Greyskarr is having a good day.
@ I agree some salt is natural but I also agree that there gets to a point where it can control you and seriously impact everything from your enjoyment to your health and that's where it gets just point blank stupid. There's a lot of nuance though as I said and this conversation can continue to go on and I think that's a good thing. And you're right, the moment you direct it towards the player personally (I agree, something like the Aris example, while I have personal feelings about him, that particular example is so over the top it's hard to take it to heart even as personal insults) and start negatively impacting their journey in fighting games, you're really just being an asshole.
Your content is excellent Brian, it's great to have a figure like you in the community. Thanks for being an entertaining inspiration for the fun ladder of progression that are FGs instead of the toxic ego competition they can unfortunately become. I drastically lowered my salt levels with a mindset shift: You can learn stuff and why it's effective by paying attention to what's happening when someone's kicking your ass instead of getting mad. I try to learn from and respect anyone who's able to beat me!
Man, I'm so glad I watched this video. You brought up some amazing points, and I can definitely relate when it comes to destroying some pads. The thing that helped me manage the salt was watching how other people handle losing. When I come across people who handle it really well, it just makes me wanna be the same way.
6'4 Gief IRL made me laugh out loud hard. You're a real dude. So glad to see this cause I have been in the salt mines while exploring the cast to learn other characters and losing horribly. I've dispensed nearly every flavor of salt including controller spikes. But I've also apologized for my tyraids ri my friends and it's the greatest feeling when they forgive you for it and sympathize/empathize with you. Great vid from a great guy. #RogMain
I'm in this video! Im Number2Headband that you 2-0'd at the AB you met Greyskarr at. I remember them being close games, and I was proud of how safe I played against you.
That James Chen clip and your analysis of it is exactly how I get too. I get so frustrated with my own inability to execute what I see in my head. I'm an okay street fighter player. I mostly play my gf (who is much better than me) and my friends and sometimes the salt comes out and I have to make sure once it's passed that I make it clear that I'm not mad at them. They beat me straight up and I accept that. It's me that I'm frustrated with. I've seen that string they beat me with a hundred times and I still get caught by it and it makes me mad at myself.
After a lot of salty punches on my wall playing sfv, once I was so salty, that I took the first thing on my sight, that was my galaxy s7 edge, and I bited it (don't know if that is a irregular verb) and man, the whole screen got cracked, I don't regret it, because I learned not to do those things anymore, but I did lost the frontal camera to that bite lol
Honestly you're such a verbose and well-spoken streamer/player. You help contextualize and show people how I feel way better than I can lol. Your content has been really great recently, keep it up
this is a good reality check for any entertainer in a competitive environment. just like practicing combos you gota practice self control in tense situations. i have also slammed my controller on the ground or put a whole in my wall with that same controller. it is embarrassing when it happens but if your passionate about your hobby and trying to improve at said hobby your going to strong emotions about it when something goes wrong so don't feel alone when you do loose control. this video hit it right on the mark
I think this is a great video. Great way to talk about healthy ways to deal with frustration. Pretending you are too "grown" to feel frustrated is flat out lying to yourself. Everyone gets frustrated. It will come out eventually. You gotta deal with it. How you deal with it- thats the part separates maturity from immaturity. I've never broken a controller but I've wanted to! You gotta let it out somewhere somehow.
Man this video speaks to me so well. I definitely hit the James chen type of salt way more than I would like and still struggle with it. Glad to know that there is a way to get past it and take back control.
My family was poor growing up so when I got really salty at a game, part of the frustration was not being able to throw or break my controller or I just couldn't play games anymore. I think the most relief I ever got from salt was when I threw my xbox 360 headset (the dirt cheap £10 ones) onto my bed causing no damage or noise whatsoever. Was better than nothing I guess.
My salt is almost always directed at myself, which is like a weird sort of unhealthy. I recently adopted the "Do push-ups if I lose" approach, though, and it really helps. It just makes it much more fun, and it feels like I'm doing something to improve myself whether I win or lose.
@@ultimateman55 I've gotten better at muttering to myself instead of shouting with rage. Currently working in treating everything like a set with a friend. xD
This is a great video I feel not only for the fgc but for video games in general. Toxicity is just everywhere in gaming and the message that there is always another human being on the other side is just a great concept to have in your head at all times. That there is someone else just trying to do the same as you. And I feel its even worse in team games when people are putting down teammates for not being good enough or losing to the other team all the time. They're just trying to learn and get better the same as you. I recently started playing rogue company since it was free and well since I play a decent amount of fps games I was pretty good. I was the only one with downs and elims on my team and so I got on the mic and started just ripping into them about how they're bad and terrible and should stop playing. And then I hear a mic click on and its a kid around maybe 9 or 10, he tells me, "I'm sorry, I'm just playing for my dad since he was gone and asked me to. I'm sorry I'm so bad, I'll try to be better." And I felt so bad man it pretty much brought me to tears, because I do what that man does with his son, with my brothers that are younger as well. It just made me think about them and how it'd make them feel if I told them what I told that kid. Thanks Brian, you made this video around the time this happened, I just didn't see it until now. A new sub and fan now :)
4:37 wait that stick looks familiar... that's the stick on the thumbnail of Core-A's video "Analysis: The Effects of Salt"! Except with different art / button colors on it. The crack pattern and missing buttons are identical.
Tbh finding ways to release anger and frustration in healthy ways (or "Flavoring your salt" I guess) is an underrated skill. Not even for just fighting games. It's impossible to not get angry at things and people who tell others they shouldn't get angry don't help, but at least don't let the anger consume you.
Shows LTG vs Viscant "Let's not go on that direction", i felt that.
That actually had me dying of laughter lmaoo
I was dead🤣💀
Ltg got salty on stream due to that mention XD gonna have to subscribe now
That killed me😂💀
Sooo good
Totally unexpected to end up in a video lol. Shout out to Brian F!
Legend
A fellow Zangriefian. Are you still giving away free hugs?
Love seeing you're still a fan man! Keep on doing your thing big guy♡
Irl gief
A friend of mine once said, "I'm sorry I don't play the game the way you want me to." and I've never looked at my own behavior while playing the same since.
Oof. That's the kinda stuff that smacks ya in the teeth.
Yeesh. That shit made MY heart sink.
proceeds to backdash and spam projectiles at gief all match.
@Ethan Gonzalez Lol seriously. It's always a sob story until you see what they actually play like
True...still Sagat is my main and I still hope people want to play more "honest" because of that. 😅 Lol
I'm loving Brian's fgc therapy sessions.
If you need to bill my insurance let me know lol
Same
"Gief is a walking casino" that is a quote to remember
the nanaya slot machine
My favorite salt moment was my college roommate playing Madden. The CPU had some BS comeback and he threw his controller at the couch. This was back in the day with wired PS controllers though, and the controller wire went taut. The controller arc'ed the air and flew out the window of our apartment. The controller wire popped out, sending the controller 13 stories to the parking lot below, but not before the wire pulled the PS off the console. The PS crashed to the floor, breaking his PS, also. That was a lesson for Scott.
If that fell on someone's head they were a dead man
@@AdamSmasherReal This part is nerdy, so I don't usually mention it, but you brought it up. I was a physics major, so I actually tested that (sort of). Because of the long flapping wire and plug on the end, a controller hits terminal velocity in about 3 stories. Dropping it from higher than that doesn't change it's speed. So really, it's like getting a PlayStation controller dropped on you from about 30 feet up. It would hurt, but it's actually not too bad.
Hitting asphalt, though? Yeah, the controller still broke.
@@JCintheBCC As a fellow physics major, I appreciate the effort. I think perhaps I have a new problem to assign my students!
@@ultimateman55 Mine was an experimental test (we had a lot of friends on other floors), so I have no idea what the math would look like.
Kinda want to see that cus that’s hilarious
I destroyed my arcade stick watching this video.
I like the focus back dash cancel at the sight of the infamous Viscant video 🤣🤣
“Yeah let’s not go in that direction” 😆
I once broke a Brian_F 19 game win streak with my birdie but ended up losing the set. the next day i checked out the stream and the things he said about me were not too nice. I felt like crap at first ,didn't play for a few days stopped watching Brian_F on you tube but later it gave me motivation to get better and to take the things he said about my play more as constructive criticism. Oh and clearly im back on watching Brian_F on RUclips lol
U didn't play cuz someone said something not nice about u?
Lmmfgdao! it's just a game
@@peighnesshonourchign9164 let me guess, you either play Ken or Honda?
Dhalsim n akuma. Don't see how thats relevant, though
@@peighnesshonourchign9164 when someone you look up to talks bad on you of course its gonna hurt.
The apology was like a preentive backdash to the IRL SPD that was coming a month later. Godlike reads.
Preemptive
The match was laggy
And my stick was acting up
And that character is broken
And your play style is cheap
And I wasn't even trying
🙏 The scrubs lord’s prayer 🙏
So we're talking about LTG, right?
PS- Get that ass banned.
I'm sure it was laggy though
what about I'M PRESSING BUTTONS!!!!!!!!
@@SrSacaninha *Snort* "Huhuhu"
“it shouldn’t matter if your opponent isn’t 6’4 gief irl”
The quality of these discussions are very high for them just being clips from your stream. I play smash ultimate competitively but youre one of my favorite FGC content creators because of the depth of thought in these videos, keep up the good work!
oh wow, what a coincidence. i was going to share my salt story and it has to do with ultimate T.T
see i started with melee, i was always a melee player, but i didn't live near a community and there wasn't online for it/i didn't want to play laggy melee, so i just stuck to smash 4 and and ultimate for 5 years. I quit smash 4 after losing to a 6 month old zss and throwing my laptop to the ground, breaking it.
that was basically the end of smash online for me until ultimate came out and i said "well let's try again." but that didn't work out for me either. i don't remember all my rage moments aside from the last one where i threw my controller to the floor. it made me feel so bad, i didn't like that at all. from that point on, my salt turned into self loathing(and a more controlled hatred for the game) cause at least i wouldn't break shit anymore, and then finally, i quit ultimate and just practiced melee for no reason lol.
but now that slippi is a thing, i can finally play my melee again after 5 years and i don't hate the game like i did 4 and ult. i still get incredibly frustrated with myself, but at least it's one thing and not 3. i'm still learning to channel my frustrations better, but i think i really learned that if you don't like a game, just don't play it. i'd rather be happy playing my melee and street fighter than be miserable by default with ultimate or whatever other traditional fighter isn't my cup of tea. dealing with salt is bad enough when you're the only source of it.
It's strange, I get super salty when fighting against bots but I'm actually really chill when fighting real humans. Obviously the problem is that I haven't fought enough real humans to get sick of their shit yet.
More seriously though, it really is a matter of *why* I play makes me salty. I play bots because there's a reward at the end of it and I want that reward, so losing makes me feel cheated out of a reward that I know I should have. When I play against people, I do it to play against people and get better. Win or lose, I still get what I wanted out of it. Playing for ranks or ladder points or for the tournament win you don't really get that, so losing is a bigger deal... especially when you've invested so much time into getting better only to still get destroyed.
@@kevingriffith6011 Playing ranked is totally different yeh. Knowing you can lose loads of points against lower ranks can put you on edge. You just have to keep focusing on why you lost and what you can change to prevent it from happening again.
@@gameclips5734 I don't really pay attention to the points I lose or gain. I figure if I deserve a rank all I have to do is keep playing and I'll get it. Losing ladder points didn't make me worse at the game, neither does losing a rank. As they say in starcraft, More GG more skill. Keep playing, don't sweat the losses.
Wound up rematched with someone who smoked me earlier, one of those "no runback" types, and I manged to struggle a win out against him. I wasn't even mad when he unplugged his router and denied me the ladder points, that was funny to me more than it was frustrating. The only thing I lost for that was having a replay to dissect later, but I've got plenty of those.
Bots fucking cheat, its easyer to beat diamond level players than the harderst setting cpu.
@@kevingriffith6011 Yeh, you're right it doesn't matter but in the heat of the moment it's so easy to get worked up. Depends what mood you're in too I guess. I can cope with RQs, I just blacklist them after.
I’ve genuinely been brought to tears from a terrible session of street fighter,I was so angry at myself I started beating my thigh with my fist over and over until my eyes were watering from pain,I know it sounds pathetic that I could get that emotional about an online video game but being able to maintain and master a stable mental state while playing is so important
I'm the opposite lol, I can't even imagine having an emotional reaction to a game
The autoplay decided to give me "LowTierGod gets slammed by corageous Karin"
Man this video was something else, the ending story was too good... I was hooked... It's a small world man.. Loving these videos Brian 🤘😎
We need Greyskarr in here.
He is
it's interesting how this same kind of salt is directed on your team mates in team games.
I laughed when I read your comment because I once asked my friend which Community he thought was more salty between the fgc and League of Legends and he said league is actually way worse because in a fighting game you just hate the other player but in League you hate the other team and you hate your own team LOL
Glad he didn’t mention LowTierGod
If no one talks about him he’ll go away on his own
Too easy.
Agreed, OP. It's such a low-hanging fruit that it's actually resting on the ground.
@Delusion Engine No.
Who?
The last time I played SFIV, it was 2012, and I ejected the disc and snapped it in half. The loss I was salty about was due to lag (no, really), but I should have known that my opponent was experiencing the same lag, and was just better than me regardless of the situation. Years later, I'm not bugged by it so much. I think I've finally settled into a place where I truly regard both the wins and losses as learning experiences to absorb, rather than judgments about my skill level or personal character.
You spiking your stick out of salt is really relatable and it's really cool that you make a video talking about this subject. I've split open my hand smashing my stick before and i've broken a lot of butons and a pad but i think the time that really got me thinking about my salt was when i bent the metal plate of my te2 that my mom got me for my birthday, it got me feeling really awful. Thankfully it's just the plate i'll fix the stick at some point but now i really try to stop playing when i feel that my frustration levels go up
Great video Brian F! This has helped me out alot lol.
I got a confession to make: I was the salty player for awhile, and I still feel it in me. Like, full on tantrums, RQ, breaking shit: it was bad. But recently I feel like I'm able to control it, mainly because I found out a couple of tips, one of them being like you said, remembering that there's another person on the other side of the screen.
Another big one that was really hard for to do is give my opponent credit when they do something that works, even if it is really fucking stupid to do. Because it's not stupid to wakeup super for instance if you get hit by it lol.
Thanks so much man, and I hope I get good enough that I can play against you
This is still one of your best discussion pieces you put out on RUclips. Great message and great story at the end to boot, always makes me chuckle.
No Brian, let's go in that direction LOL.
"YES THAT DIRECTION"
Hearing this from a competitor is so great. I always assumed that salt is something I had to get rid of completely to get to a high level.
But from this I can tell that it's not about not getting salty, it's about managing your salt in a healthy manner.
That fucking Aris Rage video has been one of my favourites for *ages.* Talk about a classic.
if u lose a match with good connection, its ur fault, no excuses, i struggled to learn that
Great video, i've always wondered how players like smug can stay so calm and not get salty when they are losing. From the videos i've seen of your streams I thought you were really chilled too, I never would have guessed you'd smashed so many pads haha. I tend to get salty when I make the right read but mess up the execution or if my opponent gets punished for doing something random but then just does it again when I don't expect them to. Feels bad anyway
It was a great discussion in the comments as well. Brian gets in depth and I love when he challenges us to look into it more than we may think. SFV twitter is so good.
I found your videos around when SF6 came out and once and a while youtube throws an old one in the recommended, I really enjoyed this one a lot and I can relate to the occasional video game rage. It is weird too cause I am the most calm cool and collected guy in life in pretty much every situation to the point where people always take notice of it... But lose a few rounds in video games and I can feel the pressure starting to build lmao. Thanks for the welcome reminders that our fellow humans are on the other side of the screen.
😂 I love the guy in chat who said "this guy is a maniac" when Brian talked about his rage.
Damn Brian that was a really moving story you told near the end of the vid. I mean seriously, how many people would willingly apologize to someone after they've wrong them in this day and age? People these days think that apologizing to someone after you've wronged them is a sign of weakness but I personally im glad that you stepped up to the plate, owned up to your mistake and did the right thing. I cant give you enough props for that Brian, well played. 👍👍👍
This is honestly the hardest thing I've had to keep in check since I started streaming again. But my secret is instead of calling them bad, I try to say "I'll body them next time." That's it. No questioning their actions. No questioning my decisions. Just declare to do better against them, and that's it.
But for real, content like this is why you and Super Eyepatch Wolf are like, my two favorite RUclipsrs now.
Ever since I got really into sfv scene a month or two ago, i’ve found so many amazing content creators. Love the content!!
Vids got recommened so often i honestly thought i was subbed 😅, but here ya go for top tier content that builds the community up
I'm currently student teaching, and I can say as a teacher - sarcasm/humor is such an absurdly universal tool for dealing with tense situations.
It's your bread-and-butter as someone standing in front of a group. You take resistance lightly, you make a joke about it, you minimize your portrayed ego.
Most importantly, you won't burn out if you take things lightly. By all means, get serious when you escape the emotional vortex - but use humor and sarcasm to turn a negative situation into a positive one.
The real question is: Why is RunItBlack not drowning?
Sometimes you get emotional, and will say harsh stuff after a loss. When you realize somebody is on a state where the events that are happening might change his perspective emotionally, it's better to give him some space and don't take what the person say to heart. Even pros are still human beings with emotions, salt is normal.
hey if anyone else like me looks up "Greyskarr" on yt, be careful when clicking their channel "Greyskarr V" because for some reason they uploaded someone obviously not them having a mental breakdown & attempting to cut their wrist on camera
edit: gone now, maybe cuz i reported it lmao
Every time i get salty,whatever the game,i come back to this. Genuinely therapeutic,thank you brian 👍.
I already saw myself in James Chen shoes in a lot of situations (also spike some pads too, not happy about it), and actually droped SFV for a while a couple of times and return some months latter.
I have beeing trying to work this and instead of beeing frustrated and angry with my mistakes, analyse the games and watch again some replays of matches that I lost (later I was only used to watch matches that I have won), to understand why I was beeing beat.
My point is, working on this made me able to control it, and also make my game skills actually improve learning from my mistakes, so yesterday I managed to reach Gold rank, It might not sound much for some people, but I was for such a long time stuck in the 2500 - 3000 points range, that it was unlikelly think about transpass the 4000 points barrier a while ago.
I used to get super salty back then as well, but then as time went on I dont get as salty as much as I used to anymore and I actually show respect to my opponents and when I do get salty I know that I have to actually learn matchups and adapt to some of the stuff that was in the game.
Awesome vid as always Brian.❤️❤️❤️
Excellent video. I was explaining to my friend the other day why i mainly play against friends and only grind ranked occasionally. There's no intimacy there, so its so easy to just forget there's another guy at the other side of that 3 bar snake edging Bryan. When my homie does that and we're in discord, its hilarious. When its a random online, not so much. Only discovered your channel recently, keep up the great content.
Dude this was one of the coolest videos ive seen bout salt, good shit Brian.
2:24 - that "I don't know" killed me, and the sildence after made me laugh so much harder. "I regret doing that.."
+1 for morally wholesome content, well done Brian
man this video is another gold mine. Thanks for the quality content!
Late to the party but still had the urge to say how much I appreciate the video.
I'm in a similar boat and while I'm also aware that many people feel this way, I still had difficulties relating to them. Your transparency and way of talking about the topic here was different though. It felt like I was standing in front of a mirror and reflecting on myself again to become more self aware of the issues so I can continue to try solving them in the future.
Thanks again.
Have a nice weekend and happy Christmas.
Hey Brian, your story of how you curb stomped your first stick sort of resonated with me.
Well, more so got me thinking.
I’m pretty young and relatively new to the fgc (at least on a level above pure casual), but I feel like my parents don’t enjoy me playing fighting games, granted I used to get very, very salty but I’ve definitely gotten better.
Yet, whenever I jump on street fighter, even between matches and I’m just chilling, my parents still get really annoyed.
A specific time that sticks in my memory is when they saw me playing SFV and asked me “why do you enjoy going online and beating people up?” In an angry/sarcastic tone.
My parents didn’t grow up playing games of any kind, so I can semi-understand where it comes from, but I still feel like whenever I try to tell them anything regarding it they shut it down, I’ve had to find my own way to locals since I’m too young to have a license.
Do you have any tips or advice of what I can do? Because I’m stumped.
P.s they’re great parents btw, and they support me fully on everything else, it’s just this one hobby that they completely shut down.
Sorry I know this is a video from a year ago btw, I’ll add it to your latest vids so it’s more likely you’ll see this, thanks! I didn’t say it btw but I absolutely love your vids!
you're the best Brian
so much empathy, respect and responsibility with your fans. the fgc needs more guys like you, jimmy and smug
This was beatiful man, keep encouraging people to have this attitude towards not only fighting games but games in general
What a perfectly cut scream with the ad at 6:25. Genuninely got me to chuckle.
ad?
@@mrosskne You wish.
@@OmniVirusHS what do you mean? what ad were you referring to?
@mrosskne Oh, my bad.
There was a midroll there when I watched it years ago that perfectly cut off the scream. I dunno that it exists anymore, I don't get ads anymore.
This has been the most enlightening conversation on salt i've ever seen, thank you for thinking about it deeply. It caused me to go on a deep dive of your videos (though I think it got started with "Daigo teaches me footsies video" FYI), and I was impressed with your resolve after the poison defeat. Wanted to add-in a single observation on that match that maybe you already recognize, but in case you missed it, maybe it will help you. I'll start off by taking you at your word that the critical error was spending meter early in that deciding match, you understand mechanics of street fighter much deeper than I do. But it seemed you already knew to conserve meter before that match started, so from my perspective, the real question is, why did you decide to spend meter early in that final round (Game 5, Round 3)? And my best guess comes from Game 5 Round 1 where you started strong, had him in the corner with a life lead and meter, and then ate a single crush counter, throw, throw, chip damage, etc that lead to you being pushed all the way across the screen, and importantly, you lost that round with full V-Trigger. Fast-forward to G5R3, and I think you'll notice a similar start compared to G5R1, but this time, you went for the early V-trigger. Anyway, my guess is that you have already reflected on that, but in case you haven't, make sure you analyze G5R1 as deeply as you did G5R3, because I think that's where the subconscious/automatic/in-game decision came from. I don't understand SF well enough to say what the hell happened in G5R1, I'll leave that to you, good sir. Anyways, i'm bothering with this massive text because I see you winning it all at some point in the not-too-distant future. Good luck
This is the kind of content that made me fall in love with the FGC. Thank you Brian F
I think I'm just happy watching this video because it's a healthier, upfront, no BS kind of way to talk about a weakness most of us have. Thanks for this clip.
I actually started streaming HOPING that it could be a way to keep my salt in check.
Glad you covered this in depth the way ya did.
I think this video touched on something I'd been feeling in my own streaming. I am/was (I don't know anymore) like James Chen but more often silent about it. I feel empathy for that kind of salt and that kind of stream too. I'm glad you touched on this topic today.
The ad break perfectly cut the scream at 6:25
This insight is so good , never considered the difference between being the show and an audience in the show
Hearing brian talk about being salty is unreal. Seems like the chillest fg player i know
This is why I subbed. Genuinely insightful and an important thing to think about for the small but scrappy FGC as it's growing and gaining eyes at a rapid rate. Great content.
Yo this story was crazy! Great content bro! Been following for like 2 years now learning a lot from you. Wish you the best in SF6. Hope you get rog
Brian F is a great Street Fighter player with good sportsmanship and entertaining to watch. How does this man not have 100k subs?
This was a great talk and really elevated my respect for you Brian. I know the 'culture of the FGC' (putting that in quotes for a reason) seems to largely be that being an asshole is a personality and if you don't particularly care for that you're soft or whatever but you brought up a ton of great nuance here that gets lost in the 'if you can't handle it, get the fuck out' mentality a lot of people still cling to as gospel. As you said being decent to others doesn't have to come at the cost of passion for the game or passion for your personal craft at the game. This was even more interesting to me coming from someone who is a self professed salty motherfucker and still feels this way about being responsible about it and also learning to direct it well.
TLDR great video, opens up great discussion, hope Greyskarr is having a good day.
@ I agree some salt is natural but I also agree that there gets to a point where it can control you and seriously impact everything from your enjoyment to your health and that's where it gets just point blank stupid. There's a lot of nuance though as I said and this conversation can continue to go on and I think that's a good thing. And you're right, the moment you direct it towards the player personally (I agree, something like the Aris example, while I have personal feelings about him, that particular example is so over the top it's hard to take it to heart even as personal insults) and start negatively impacting their journey in fighting games, you're really just being an asshole.
Your content is excellent Brian, it's great to have a figure like you in the community. Thanks for being an entertaining inspiration for the fun ladder of progression that are FGs instead of the toxic ego competition they can unfortunately become.
I drastically lowered my salt levels with a mindset shift: You can learn stuff and why it's effective by paying attention to what's happening when someone's kicking your ass instead of getting mad. I try to learn from and respect anyone who's able to beat me!
Man, I'm so glad I watched this video. You brought up some amazing points, and I can definitely relate when it comes to destroying some pads. The thing that helped me manage the salt was watching how other people handle losing. When I come across people who handle it really well, it just makes me wanna be the same way.
6'4 Gief IRL made me laugh out loud hard. You're a real dude. So glad to see this cause I have been in the salt mines while exploring the cast to learn other characters and losing horribly. I've dispensed nearly every flavor of salt including controller spikes. But I've also apologized for my tyraids ri my friends and it's the greatest feeling when they forgive you for it and sympathize/empathize with you.
Great vid from a great guy.
#RogMain
I'm in this video! Im Number2Headband that you 2-0'd at the AB you met Greyskarr at. I remember them being close games, and I was proud of how safe I played against you.
Greyskarr is by far one of the most humble dude that I know! That's an awesome upload right there. Really like everything about it!
That James Chen clip and your analysis of it is exactly how I get too. I get so frustrated with my own inability to execute what I see in my head. I'm an okay street fighter player. I mostly play my gf (who is much better than me) and my friends and sometimes the salt comes out and I have to make sure once it's passed that I make it clear that I'm not mad at them. They beat me straight up and I accept that. It's me that I'm frustrated with. I've seen that string they beat me with a hundred times and I still get caught by it and it makes me mad at myself.
So I just played Persona 4 for the first time and hearing that music at the end of the video made me think I was actually going insane.
After a lot of salty punches on my wall playing sfv, once I was so salty, that I took the first thing on my sight, that was my galaxy s7 edge, and I bited it (don't know if that is a irregular verb) and man, the whole screen got cracked, I don't regret it, because I learned not to do those things anymore, but I did lost the frontal camera to that bite lol
Bite bit bitten
@@VbrSoro Kite kit kitten
You’re a goddamn animal
@@ultimateman55 did you just whoosh me?
Brian, you're the man for owning up to your own mistake on stream/youtube. Huge respect. Keep up the great content
Honestly you're such a verbose and well-spoken streamer/player. You help contextualize and show people how I feel way better than I can lol. Your content has been really great recently, keep it up
this is a good reality check for any entertainer in a competitive environment. just like practicing combos you gota practice self control in tense situations. i have also slammed my controller on the ground or put a whole in my wall with that same controller. it is embarrassing when it happens but if your passionate about your hobby and trying to improve at said hobby your going to strong emotions about it when something goes wrong so don't feel alone when you do loose control. this video hit it right on the mark
I think this is a great video. Great way to talk about healthy ways to deal with frustration. Pretending you are too "grown" to feel frustrated is flat out lying to yourself. Everyone gets frustrated. It will come out eventually. You gotta deal with it. How you deal with it- thats the part separates maturity from immaturity. I've never broken a controller but I've wanted to! You gotta let it out somewhere somehow.
I basically never post comments to youtube and I just wanted to say that this is a really good video brian
This is genuinely one of the best pieces of FGC content I've ever seen
Man this video speaks to me so well. I definitely hit the James chen type of salt way more than I would like and still struggle with it. Glad to know that there is a way to get past it and take back control.
When you start fighting games, see it as a lesson in dealing with frustration.
Damn Brian, this is some quality content. Educational and entertaining!
My family was poor growing up so when I got really salty at a game, part of the frustration was not being able to throw or break my controller or I just couldn't play games anymore. I think the most relief I ever got from salt was when I threw my xbox 360 headset (the dirt cheap £10 ones) onto my bed causing no damage or noise whatsoever. Was better than nothing I guess.
your content is healing the scrub outta me i swear to christ
My salt is almost always directed at myself, which is like a weird sort of unhealthy. I recently adopted the "Do push-ups if I lose" approach, though, and it really helps. It just makes it much more fun, and it feels like I'm doing something to improve myself whether I win or lose.
Yeah, I've had to tone down my salt because I was stressing my wife out too much.
Care to share how you managed to pull that off? My wife really wants to know! lol
@@ultimateman55 I've gotten better at muttering to myself instead of shouting with rage. Currently working in treating everything like a set with a friend. xD
This is a great video I feel not only for the fgc but for video games in general. Toxicity is just everywhere in gaming and the message that there is always another human being on the other side is just a great concept to have in your head at all times. That there is someone else just trying to do the same as you. And I feel its even worse in team games when people are putting down teammates for not being good enough or losing to the other team all the time. They're just trying to learn and get better the same as you.
I recently started playing rogue company since it was free and well since I play a decent amount of fps games I was pretty good. I was the only one with downs and elims on my team and so I got on the mic and started just ripping into them about how they're bad and terrible and should stop playing. And then I hear a mic click on and its a kid around maybe 9 or 10, he tells me, "I'm sorry, I'm just playing for my dad since he was gone and asked me to. I'm sorry I'm so bad, I'll try to be better." And I felt so bad man it pretty much brought me to tears, because I do what that man does with his son, with my brothers that are younger as well. It just made me think about them and how it'd make them feel if I told them what I told that kid. Thanks Brian, you made this video around the time this happened, I just didn't see it until now. A new sub and fan now :)
Analyzing different cases of salt? What a great video idea!
4:37 wait that stick looks familiar... that's the stick on the thumbnail of Core-A's video "Analysis: The Effects of Salt"! Except with different art / button colors on it. The crack pattern and missing buttons are identical.
"Words have weight"
Context is heavier
Tbh finding ways to release anger and frustration in healthy ways (or "Flavoring your salt" I guess) is an underrated skill. Not even for just fighting games.
It's impossible to not get angry at things and people who tell others they shouldn't get angry don't help, but at least don't let the anger consume you.
That Tekken Tag game reminded me how funny old mic’s are.
Salt? Of course I know him. He's me.
I don't destroy controllers because mid swing I think "this sh*t is expensive as hell" and all anger vanishes
One of your best videos to date, I personally think its even better than Core-As video on the topic
"Brian labbing the salt" I loved that comment lol
i love aris. commentary powerhouse right there. that clip has me cracking up and i haven't played tekken in a decade.
Whenever I lose I just blame myself and try to get better. Be nice and respect your opponent.
Also don’t feel it in your neck.
That Greyskarr redemption story arc was some wholesomeness.
Dang this was wholesome. Good stuff bro