This is the actual stat Rich wanted to share: “Highest slugging percentage with RISP (runner in scoring position), last 50 years: .621 Shohei Ohtani; .616 Mike Trout; .615 Mark McGwire. Lowest SLG percentage allowed with RISP (runner in scoring position), last 50 years: .201 Shohei Ohtani; .211 Dellin Betances; .226 Aroldis Chapman (min. 400 PA / 200 BF),” baseball stats guru Jeremy Frank tweeted."
Yes, he fills the line-up, he fills the rotation, he fills de stadium AND he frees you a spot so you can bring another player. Also, this year's salary is 5 million.
If I'm any organization I throw the angels whatever they want. Especially the Yankees. Baseball is a business. The Yankees do business better than anyone, then imagine they have a GLOBAL 2 way player who is an All-Star MVP caliber in both areas. It's a no brainer
No, the Yankees don't do business better than anyone! The Yankees do have more championships than any other sports franchise but that's not necessarily because they do business better than anybody else. They have and have always had a lot of advantages over every other team such as the fact that they are from the biggest city in America. You don't even have to have a business major from Harvard to realize that such advantages like those will make it easier to put together a better team than everybody else. I'm a Dodgers fan and likewise we are not far behind and so I admit that we too have an advantage over many other teams due to the size of our city. Point blank, It's like a Paris Hilton challenging a Wal-Mart clerk to a car race with the only rule being that the car used has to be directly owned. Of course Paris would have an advantage since she can afford to purchase any car in the world but nobody would dare say it's because she's a better businesswoman now would they!
@@rayrojas5185 I don't mean business as in baseball business..... They are the 2nd most valuable sports team.... they make money. you r-tards are thinking with your sports minds not what actually matters to owners and thats $$$$$. their geographical location is ideal... but it's irrelevant in arguing that they are the easily the most valuable franchise
Angels will not figure it out with Moreno as owner and the people he has employed from top to bottom. Angels are a dysfunctional franchise that can’t develop or sign players and keep them healthy. They lucked into trout and ohtani. They can easily supply their farm system like no other by trading them. They’ve thrown money at FAs for years and they haven’t won a playoff game since 09
The angels and especially arte moreno are idiots. The smartest thing they could do is put the pettiness aside and trade ohtani to the dodgers. The dodgers would probably be willing to give up so much because I think Andrew Friedman would value how much it is that he hits and pitches you get a 2 for 1 basically. I think he’d be willing to give like 3-4 out of his top 5 prospects and other lower ones and maybe a Tony gonsolin or Dustin may for ohtani . The dodgers farm is deep so that could really set the angels up for many years and getting a young mlb proven arm in either gonsolin or may. With years of control still, the angels would be dumb not to talk to LA, ohtani is a free agent after next year he’s leaving .:: the angels are dysfunctional no way this guy stays it’s clear in his interviews he’s out .. Also the dodgers owners would realize how big ohtani is in Japan and what a draw/ money maker he is so that’d add to their approval .. overall it just makes sense but arte moreno would never allow it
Shohei will go down in history as the Greatest MLB player of All Time. We are very fortunate to be able to witness his amazing talent in our time. Shohei Ohtani Michael Jordan Serena Williams Tom Brady John Brzenk Kelly Slater Jack Nicklaus Wayne Gretsky Ricky Carmichael These athelets are the "Greatest of All Time" Yet only one is actually recognised by Guinness as a goat 👍👍 if you can answer that trivia question.
Dang a John Brzenk siting gotta love it. Any list of goats need a Kelly Slater. No one's even close. But great list for sure. Only person I would omit is Tiger. No way he's the Goat.
@@BenDover-vs7ih I stand corrected, and have amended my statement. I may have rushed the list a bit. Didn't include boxing because of the weight classes. Included Brzenk because he competed in his weight class, and the ones above. Undefeated for three decades. An absolute legend
Maybe because outside of Serena and Nicklaus they play sports which are very much American rather than international. A handful of other nations play Ice Hockey, Arm-Wrestling and Surfing are pretty niche, Baseball is played seriously in only a few countries, Basketball in quite a few European nations but always way down the list of popularity and Gridiron is played nowhere outside of the states. Your list is quite insular and Guinness is about international recognition.
This is not even a comparison. Everyone talking about Soto like he's going to be the next Albert Pujols or Miguel Cabrera. That's not a guarantee. Shohei is exceling at both sides of the plate. When is the last time a player did that?
@@HoopZKiLa How you figure? Cabrera at 23: .339 BA, 26 HR, 114 RBI, 112 Runs, .998 OPS. Soto at 23 this year so far: .246 BA, 21 HR, 46 RBI, 62 Runs, .894 OPS.
So bazaar, they looked really good at the start then everyone except for 3-4 players went cold. Pitching too, did Maddon give that organization the Cubs curse?
What does trading Ohtani mean for Trout and his future with Angels? He still has a bunch of years to go. Might as well trade him too, no built in rebuilding around again for the 20th time
No one wants Trout. His bad contract and injuries. Now he got a rare back injury. No GM will touch him from a mile away. The only asset the Angels have is Otani.
I’m taking Soto because he’s a way better hitter in terms of OBP,OPS+… this Year Soto is hitting .246 but his OBP and OPS+ is way higher than Othani and Soto walks A Lot while Othani Strikes Out too many times
If my Halos trade Shohei I'm DONE with them and I've been a fan for 40 years smh. Wouldn't surprise me if Ohtani pulls a Soto and says he's not gonna sign long term and I don't blame him
It’s a close call, but Ohtani. They are both great young players now and can contribute tremendously to an organization. Ohtani has a worldwide branding and would be $$$ marketing assets. The only thing that is concerning for both players is that large framed Asian and Latin players both do not age well, especially beyond 35.
@@Yo-xr7lj your mama told me… Just kidding, here are few to names consider Pujols, Cabrera, and Hee Seop Choi. Tell ur mama Hello from all of us @ da clubhouse.
@@HoopZKiLa I misspoke….Ohtani is a better hitter and showed that last year and continues to show it this year as well. Not even gonna get into the pitching aspect.
@@mikio6444 you clearly dont know how good soto is... Jaun Soto career BA, OBP, OPS, OPS+ is way higher than Othnai you idiot... Othnai last year wasn't a better hitter than soto or Vlad Jr... othani won the MVP last year because of his Pitching with Hititng Home Runs but Othani as a hitter is nowhere Near as good As Soto... othani career .BA is 262 while soto .291 and His Career OPS+ is 137 while Soto 160+ and Soto career OBP Is .420 while othani is .350 so Soto As a hitter is a million Times better than othani.... Othani is so overrated.... Soto Led the Nationals to a World Series Title while Hitting HRs off Kershaw, Verlander, cole... and I'm a Red Sox fan... Soto is a Generational Player while Othani Pitching and hitting Won't last Long.... I'll Rather have soto for the next 15 Years and I'm a Red Sox Fan....
as a manager...u will need to give me both corbin burnes & juan soto...for ohtani-san...but even then...i would still prefer to keep ohtani...more flexibility in my lineup
Otani if I can get an extension worked out 5yrs 200M. Mariners need a Pitcher & a Bat he gives you both. Kelenic (2020 MLB #9 Prosect), Brash 2022 MLB #97 & BA's #46) Hancock (2021 MLB #57 Prospect), & Marte (2022 MLB #19 Prospect) 4 top 100 Prospects is a pretty big haul. Painful, but worth it.
For the same price, Ohtani of course. The problem is the Angels won’t just price Ohtani for his sporting pedigree, they also consider his branding value. In that sense, Ohtani is almost priceless. The Angels can never replace Ohtani, no matter what package anyone send them, because the Angels management would be more concerned about losing the ticket and merchandise sales than rebuilding their franchise. Of course, I think we can all see this is foolish, because the Angles would rather let Ohtani walks for free in 1.5 years than losing that 1.5 years worth of profits and merchandise in exchange for long term success, and saving baseball.
As a Cardinal fan my first thought was Ohtani. But, I don’t think a human can maintain the level of excellence doing it all like he has. Soto is 22 and can play at a high level for 15 years. I hope the Cardinals get Soto.
Ohtani's very disciplined and methodical, so there's no reason to think he can't perform at this level for another half dozen years. The Cards need a starter and a left-handed bat to put between Goldschmidt and Arenado. Bingo. For Soto I'd make Jordan Walker untouchable. For Ohtani I'd give up the farm -- because I think they can sign him long term. He's been happy with the Angels; with the Cardinals' fans and tradition and competitive club, he'd absolutely love it.
A lot of things can happen in 15 years. Youth is not a guarantee for health longevity. I wish teams don't sign any player for longer than 5 years per contract. MLB needs to address this.
I Agree that would be a better fit then the Dodgers, Shohei with the Yankees would be a perfect fit, he'll win 15 to 18 games and with the short right field fence at the stadium can hit 50+ HRs with those numbers he'll be an MVP every year.
There are Angels fans who are open to trading Ohtani for five top prospects to rebuild the team, but I think they are optimistic. Even if they acquire them, the Angels will not change. The Angels are cursed. Maybe it is Moreno who is cursed.
the obsession with prospects in baseball is fascinating to me. Its not like you trade them away and you will never, ever get more. There is a draft every single year and there is also an fresh international class every single year. You can always find more prospects. But finding another Ohtani? Not going to find another. Finding another Juan Soto? The kid is an all timer. What are the chances those prospects become anything like either of those guys? Slim, imo. So its easy for me. Trade the prospects, get the stud.
You can never have enough pitching and so happens Ohtani can also hit. As for Soto i read the rumors and laugh at those proposed trade offers Sandiego's top 3 prospects are not good prospects in my book i would turn down that offer in 1 second flat.Nats should go after Ohtani and try and keep Soto unless they can get some pitching legit pitching not prospects from single A ball lol.
Shocker. Hes not being traded. So heres what i anticipated from tve start. Ohtani gets offered a huge extension this off season, and A) he accepts it and everyone who isnt an Angels fan stays salty. B) He declines and the Angels are going to basically take another team to the cleaners in a trade- your going to need to give up the farm for this guy - all of them.
Dodgers need Ohtani; we don't need Soto and his low batting average this year and besides that he wants too many prospects. Ohtani, no question is the guy to get IF the Angels are really interested in trading him.
You’re a causal .. soto this season has a OPS+ of 158 and OBP of .408…. Juan Soto career OBP and OPS+ is way higher than othani and his career average is also higher… I doubt othani can keep this level of play for another 10+ Years…. Soto also hits good pitching as he led the nationals to a World Series while Hitting HRs off kershaw, verlander, Cole…
@@HoopZKiLa Soto will fit in much better with the cocky Padres; he like Machado don't like to hustle. I wish the Angels were ready to trade Othani but they were not; with Othani we could get a pitcher and a hitter and he isn't cocky like Soto.
Honestly i have little respect for Baseball and it's unlimited spending.I want a fair playing field right across the board pay to win makes sport a JOKE.
Ohtani is as close to being a God of baseball if not already. The Angels management must take Shohei seriously. Either shower him with honor (stop killing Ohtani by surrounding him with poor casts, it's totally disrespectful) and give him fortune (60 or ? millions x 8 yrs) or else release him. True baseball fans need to understand a baseball genius like Shohei comes only once in a century. IOO years from now, future fans will look back and said, "wow, Shohei was magic, rarest air ever, he is the one and only gone with the wind like Pegasus!"
It's a no-brainer, Arte Moreno will never trade Ohtani, why would you trade him? He is the Unicone, no established MLB player cannot be eqeal value to him.
If Soto is only 23 than I am 65...I, 36 and look like I am 30. His Latin age is who the hell knows his real age has to be at least 27-30. Plus obtain can do more. Soto is just a bat that it it!
if ohtani doesnt get traded which is doubtful i can totally see him going to a socal team, that dude cannot pitch in the yankee stadium, no way hes going to the yankees
This is the actual stat Rich wanted to share:
“Highest slugging percentage with RISP (runner in scoring position), last 50 years: .621 Shohei Ohtani; .616 Mike Trout; .615 Mark McGwire.
Lowest SLG percentage allowed with RISP (runner in scoring position), last 50 years: .201 Shohei Ohtani; .211 Dellin Betances; .226 Aroldis Chapman (min. 400 PA / 200 BF),” baseball stats guru Jeremy Frank tweeted."
That's freakin insane!!!! Wow.
He’s insane
What the…. stats, mlb solid do a one trade day for Ohtani
Umm, as of July 31, Ohtani has more HR's, Triples and RBI than Soto.... oh, also I heard he's a pretty good pitcher, too.
@@greggibson33 Right!!!! I mean soto's a great player but he's having a good season not great.
Ohtani for sure. He’s humble and conducts himself in a low key manner.
Shohei definitely I personally think he’s the best player in the mlb i really doubt by team would go after him but wish they would
Yes, he fills the line-up, he fills the rotation, he fills de stadium AND he frees you a spot so you can bring another player. Also, this year's salary is 5 million.
It depends. Does your team need hitting or pitching?
Why not both?
The answer is Ohtani.
If I'm any organization I throw the angels whatever they want. Especially the Yankees. Baseball is a business. The Yankees do business better than anyone, then imagine they have a GLOBAL 2 way player who is an All-Star MVP caliber in both areas. It's a no brainer
The Yankees haven’t done business better than everyone in over a decade.
No, the Yankees don't do business better than anyone! The Yankees do have more championships than any other sports franchise but that's not necessarily because they do business better than anybody else. They have and have always had a lot of advantages over every other team such as the fact that they are from the biggest city in America. You don't even have to have a business major from Harvard to realize that such advantages like those will make it easier to put together a better team than everybody else. I'm a Dodgers fan and likewise we are not far behind and so I admit that we too have an advantage over many other teams due to the size of our city. Point blank, It's like a Paris Hilton challenging a Wal-Mart clerk to a car race with the only rule being that the car used has to be directly owned. Of course Paris would have an advantage since she can afford to purchase any car in the world but nobody would dare say it's because she's a better businesswoman now would they!
@@rayrojas5185 I don't mean business as in baseball business..... They are the 2nd most valuable sports team.... they make money. you r-tards are thinking with your sports minds not what actually matters to owners and thats $$$$$. their geographical location is ideal... but it's irrelevant in arguing that they are the easily the most valuable franchise
As a Yankee fan I would much rather have shohei! 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
of course you would! everyone would.. lol
Definitely
You got Benintendi, now shut up.
Shoei for sure. What rotation wouldn't ?
I'd rather have Othani then Soto, especially if my team is giving up their top 4 prospects.
Angels will not figure it out with Moreno as owner and the people he has employed from top to bottom. Angels are a dysfunctional franchise that can’t develop or sign players and keep them healthy. They lucked into trout and ohtani. They can easily supply their farm system like no other by trading them. They’ve thrown money at FAs for years and they haven’t won a playoff game since 09
The angels and especially arte moreno are idiots. The smartest thing they could do is put the pettiness aside and trade ohtani to the dodgers. The dodgers would probably be willing to give up so much because I think Andrew Friedman would value how much it is that he hits and pitches you get a 2 for 1 basically. I think he’d be willing to give like 3-4 out of his top 5 prospects and other lower ones and maybe a Tony gonsolin or Dustin may for ohtani . The dodgers farm is deep so that could really set the angels up for many years and getting a young mlb proven arm in either gonsolin or may. With years of control still, the angels would be dumb not to talk to LA, ohtani is a free agent after next year he’s leaving .:: the angels are dysfunctional no way this guy stays it’s clear in his interviews he’s out ..
Also the dodgers owners would realize how big ohtani is in Japan and what a draw/ money maker he is so that’d add to their approval .. overall it just makes sense but arte moreno would never allow it
Well said, and thats exactly why I now follow the Dodgers. The Angels are a clown show.
I trade everything for shohei besides Judge. Them 2 together in NY will be the best show ever.
I Agree👍
Agree
Didn’t they say that about trout and ohtani, not working out
Ohtani 💯
I would trade a staring pitcher a outfielder and my top TEN prospects for Ohtani!
That’s why you’re not a gm.
Shohei will go down in history as the Greatest MLB player of All Time.
We are very fortunate to be able to witness his amazing talent in our time.
Shohei Ohtani
Michael Jordan
Serena Williams
Tom Brady
John Brzenk
Kelly Slater
Jack Nicklaus
Wayne Gretsky
Ricky Carmichael
These athelets are the "Greatest of All Time"
Yet only one is actually recognised by Guinness as a goat
👍👍 if you can answer that trivia question.
Dang a John Brzenk siting gotta love it. Any list of goats need a Kelly Slater. No one's even close. But great list for sure. Only person I would omit is Tiger. No way he's the Goat.
@@BenDover-vs7ih I stand corrected, and have amended my statement.
I may have rushed the list a bit.
Didn't include boxing because of the weight classes.
Included Brzenk because he competed in his weight class, and the ones above.
Undefeated for three decades.
An absolute legend
Maybe because outside of Serena and Nicklaus they play sports which are very much American rather than international. A handful of other nations play Ice Hockey, Arm-Wrestling and Surfing are pretty niche, Baseball is played seriously in only a few countries, Basketball in quite a few European nations but always way down the list of popularity and Gridiron is played nowhere outside of the states. Your list is quite insular and Guinness is about international recognition.
Sorry but Ohtani will not go down as the greatest MLB player of all time. Not even close.
@@angelicalynn1259 Actually no one else come close to him, so yeah, he will go down easily as the BEST of all times
Angels needs to give Shohei some support or he should leave.
This is not even a comparison. Everyone talking about Soto like he's going to be the next Albert Pujols or Miguel Cabrera. That's not a guarantee. Shohei is exceling at both sides of the plate. When is the last time a player did that?
1919.
I agree. Soto is good, but he is not Ohtani. I'd love to see him Dodger Blue. All prospects would be worth it...
@@binder38us The Dodgers already have the highest payroll in MLB, and they are doing very well with the roster they have.
Juan stop at 23 is way better than Miguel in terms of OPS,OBP,HRs lol
@@HoopZKiLa How you figure? Cabrera at 23: .339 BA, 26 HR, 114 RBI, 112 Runs, .998 OPS. Soto at 23 this year so far: .246 BA, 21 HR, 46 RBI, 62 Runs, .894 OPS.
Attendance will plummet without Ohtani. He stays for that reason. Oh well. Thanks Moreno
"The curse" what have the angels done in 20 years??? You can't curse a rotting husk
……no…if Shohei leaves Angels, IM DONE….after 30 yrs im done with Angels.
He has too bro he’s 28 and in his prime and trout keeps getting hurt u can’t get a better time than this to trade him u need a complete rebuild
Should of call it quits a long time ago lol
Somebody free Shohei
Sho is like signing 2 humble incredible players.
If Ohtani is not traded to a contender the MLB needs to step i know how that sounds but wth he needs to play in the biggest games
Shohei is worth double most players, but at least 50% more any other, elite arm / bat, it’s simple…
So bazaar, they looked really good at the start then everyone except for 3-4 players went cold. Pitching too, did Maddon give that organization the Cubs curse?
Ohtani! For sure!
Shohei all day. But as a cardinals fan I’m here for the pitching double threat. We’re struggling. Plus the humility is rad too.
Would a handful of teams wait out in Soto now so they have assets for Ohtani next year? The rumor from Japan is he prefers west coast
Both are very good players but, Ohtani is good at 2 positions and better draw for fans which means more money for team and MLB!
Why not go to STL why does it always has to be LA, NYC, or Boston?
Because there not as big as those teams big players big teams that’s just how it is in sports and plus the market and it’s value
What does trading Ohtani mean for Trout and his future with Angels? He still has a bunch of years to go. Might as well trade him too, no built in rebuilding around again for the 20th time
No one wants Trout. His bad contract and injuries. Now he got a rare back injury. No GM will touch him from a mile away. The only asset the Angels have is Otani.
Yankees GM should give up his right but for Shohei. Damn I’ll give up mine as well lol
No team should trade away ohtani. Sign him and build around him. So angels need to trade away trout and rendon. Build around ohtani.
But who would accept Rendon with his huge salary?
No, you don't build a team around one player. You build a team around a core group of players.
Padre fan and Id trade Tatis for Ohtani, straight up.
😲
and then, go get Soto.
Ohtani order of magnitude
Ohtani
got a strong feeling they're making this back injury worse then it is to make teams consider him less valuable
I’m taking Soto because he’s a way better hitter in terms of OBP,OPS+… this Year Soto is hitting .246 but his OBP and OPS+ is way higher than Othani and Soto walks A Lot while Othani Strikes Out too many times
Soto much easier to build around with less injury potential and more years
If my Halos trade Shohei I'm DONE with them and I've been a fan for 40 years smh. Wouldn't surprise me if Ohtani pulls a Soto and says he's not gonna sign long term and I don't blame him
Show time to Yankees
Yankee fans are delusional
I hate to say this but I hope Shohei can go to the Yankees so that his true potential can be reached.
It’s a close call, but Ohtani. They are both great young players now and can contribute tremendously to an organization. Ohtani has a worldwide branding and would be $$$ marketing assets. The only thing that is concerning for both players is that large framed Asian and Latin players both do not age well, especially beyond 35.
Are there any stats to the last thing you said?
@@Yo-xr7lj your mama told me… Just kidding, here are few to names consider Pujols, Cabrera, and Hee Seop Choi. Tell ur mama Hello from all of us @ da clubhouse.
@@hankc3447 dad?
@@Yo-xr7lj No. Your Papi.
Is this even a question? Ohtani would be like getting Soto in addition to a number 1 starter.
No he isn’t lol.. Soto offensively is better than othani and his Potential as a hitter is way higher..
@@HoopZKiLa
I misspoke….Ohtani is a better hitter and showed that last year and continues to show it this year as well. Not even gonna get into the pitching aspect.
@@mikio6444 you clearly dont know how good soto is... Jaun Soto career BA, OBP, OPS, OPS+ is way higher than Othnai you idiot... Othnai last year wasn't a better hitter than soto or Vlad Jr... othani won the MVP last year because of his Pitching with Hititng Home Runs but Othani as a hitter is nowhere Near as good As Soto... othani career .BA is 262 while soto .291 and His Career OPS+ is 137 while Soto 160+ and Soto career OBP Is .420 while othani is .350 so Soto As a hitter is a million Times better than othani.... Othani is so overrated.... Soto Led the Nationals to a World Series Title while Hitting HRs off Kershaw, Verlander, cole... and I'm a Red Sox fan... Soto is a Generational Player while Othani Pitching and hitting Won't last Long.... I'll Rather have soto for the next 15 Years and I'm a Red Sox Fan....
There's no way Angels are going to trade Shohei
never say never. they can't keep him longer than 2 years. now would be the time to trade if you want to rebuild.
@@ep9691 Rebuild what? They can trade him for the entire Yankees Line up and Angels will still find a way to lose
as a manager...u will need to give me both corbin burnes & juan soto...for ohtani-san...but even then...i would still prefer to keep ohtani...more flexibility in my lineup
Shohei - a unicorn.
Ohtani to Mariners. Make it happen, team him up with Julio Rodriguez, he is the next big thing.
How about the Angels keep Shohei.
Then trade Trout, and few others for Soto.
it's not gonna help them win the games they need in the future. they need more, that's the argument.
Trout is not tradable. His huge salary plus the inability to stay healthy makes that reality.
Otani if I can get an extension worked out 5yrs 200M. Mariners need a Pitcher & a Bat he gives you both.
Kelenic (2020 MLB #9 Prosect), Brash 2022 MLB #97 & BA's #46) Hancock (2021 MLB #57 Prospect), & Marte (2022 MLB #19 Prospect) 4 top 100 Prospects is a pretty big haul. Painful, but worth it.
For the same price, Ohtani of course.
The problem is the Angels won’t just price Ohtani for his sporting pedigree, they also consider his branding value. In that sense, Ohtani is almost priceless. The Angels can never replace Ohtani, no matter what package anyone send them, because the Angels management would be more concerned about losing the ticket and merchandise sales than rebuilding their franchise.
Of course, I think we can all see this is foolish, because the Angles would rather let Ohtani walks for free in 1.5 years than losing that 1.5 years worth of profits and merchandise in exchange for long term success, and saving baseball.
Ohtani because you get great hitter and pitcher at price of one. In value term, Ohtani should be paid like 175% of superstar, which he won’t
plse trade Ohtani to Dodgers or Yankees!!
Plot twist my team is the nationals and I’m hoping a deal doesn’t get done.
Dodgers prospects are better than Yankees. Angels would be fools to not give him to LA.
As a Cardinal fan my first thought was Ohtani. But, I don’t think a human can maintain the level of excellence doing it all like he has. Soto is 22 and can play at a high level for 15 years. I hope the Cardinals get Soto.
Ohtani's very disciplined and methodical, so there's no reason to think he can't perform at this level for another half dozen years. The Cards need a starter and a left-handed bat to put between Goldschmidt and Arenado. Bingo. For Soto I'd make Jordan Walker untouchable. For Ohtani I'd give up the farm -- because I think they can sign him long term. He's been happy with the Angels; with the Cardinals' fans and tradition and competitive club, he'd absolutely love it.
@@gsjackson34 Maybe. How old is Pujols now? 58 lol. Even if he’s 25 that’s 10 years. I know what you’re saying though.
I don't know Tom Brady is doing it with his health maybe Ohtani can do it too
A lot of things can happen in 15 years. Youth is not a guarantee for health longevity. I wish teams don't sign any player for longer than 5 years per contract. MLB needs to address this.
Meth much?
Yankees with Ohtani, yes please
I Agree that would be a better fit then the Dodgers, Shohei with the Yankees would be a perfect fit, he'll win 15 to 18 games and with the short right field fence at the stadium can hit 50+ HRs with those numbers he'll be an MVP every year.
@@trevorcarey3997 Just having run support when he pitches and his current level of batting will take him to elite of the elites.
Yes. Yankees with Ohtani
There are Angels fans who are open to trading Ohtani for five top prospects to rebuild the team, but I think they are optimistic. Even if they acquire them, the Angels will not change. The Angels are cursed. Maybe it is Moreno who is cursed.
the obsession with prospects in baseball is fascinating to me. Its not like you trade them away and you will never, ever get more. There is a draft every single year and there is also an fresh international class every single year. You can always find more prospects. But finding another Ohtani? Not going to find another. Finding another Juan Soto? The kid is an all timer. What are the chances those prospects become anything like either of those guys? Slim, imo. So its easy for me. Trade the prospects, get the stud.
You can never have enough pitching and so happens Ohtani can also hit.
As for Soto i read the rumors and laugh at those proposed trade offers Sandiego's top 3 prospects are not good prospects in my book i would turn down that offer in 1 second flat.Nats should go after Ohtani and try and keep Soto unless they can get some pitching legit pitching not prospects from single A ball lol.
Shocker. Hes not being traded. So heres what i anticipated from tve start. Ohtani gets offered a huge extension this off season, and A) he accepts it and everyone who isnt an Angels fan stays salty. B) He declines and the Angels are going to basically take another team to the cleaners in a trade- your going to need to give up the farm for this guy - all of them.
Ohtani...there should be no debate.
Dodgers need Ohtani; we don't need Soto and his low batting average this year and besides that he wants too many prospects. Ohtani, no question is the guy to get IF the Angels are really interested in trading him.
You’re a causal .. soto this season has a OPS+ of 158 and OBP of .408…. Juan Soto career OBP and OPS+ is way higher than othani and his career average is also higher… I doubt othani can keep this level of play for another 10+ Years…. Soto also hits good pitching as he led the nationals to a World Series while Hitting HRs off kershaw, verlander, Cole…
@@HoopZKiLa Soto will fit in much better with the cocky Padres; he like Machado don't like to hustle. I wish the Angels were ready to trade Othani but they were not; with Othani we could get a pitcher and a hitter and he isn't cocky like Soto.
Shohei would have more wins. Definitely with the Yankees.
I could pitch for the Yankees and have a ten win season with a 7 era
@@keithhoss4990 👍
Who in the right mind would take Juan Soto over Ohtani. Not even close
Big market baseball is insufferable. This league is so broken.
SD is TRYING!
What's different with the nba where all the stars want to bail, and all they do is chuck 3s.
@@kobejete2796 the difference is salary caps
Shohei. Is it even a debate? You get both hitting and pitching with shohei
Ohtani needs to leave the Angels. He chose the Angels over the Dodgers. If he was a Dodger he'd be a super star
He chose Angel because there was DH at the time
ohtani should've come to the Padres over the Angels, Preller was working hard to convince him. Our team would've been stacked
Lord, if ShoTime comes to the Mets ...I may live at Citi Field
Ohtani pitcher and hitter got to be him
Honestly i have little respect for Baseball and it's unlimited spending.I want a fair playing field right across the board pay to win makes sport a JOKE.
Don't get it twisted. Winning is not the deal. It's of be of self. Not wearing of others. Be of your passion and play hard to prove to self we can do
Showtime Shohei
They're not trading Ohtani. Dodgers will sign him as a free agent.
lmao
Red Sox. Take our 4 top minor league player in farm system and Martinez for ohtani
The Angels should be trading Trout, you folks are looking at it backwards.
You are comparing an allstar vs MEGA STAR.
Ohtani is as close to being a God of baseball if not already. The Angels management must take Shohei seriously. Either shower him with honor (stop killing Ohtani by surrounding him with poor casts, it's totally disrespectful) and give him fortune (60 or ? millions x 8 yrs)
or else release him. True baseball fans need to understand a baseball genius like Shohei comes only once in a century. IOO years from now, future fans will look back and said, "wow, Shohei was magic, rarest air ever, he is the one and only gone with the wind like Pegasus!"
Angels have made too many of the Ohtani Jersey to trade him away now
Soto is amazing player and will have a wonderful career, but Shohei has a potential to become the goat... so obviously Ohtani all day.
Haha I love how she trashes that Mets tan thinking they are getting ohtani
oh, you wanna go next level... why not reunite harper and soto with the angels? Trout for Harp, Soto for Ohtani.
I'm pretty sure Ohtani > Soto instead of being = in terms of trade value.
It's a no-brainer, Arte Moreno will never trade Ohtani, why would you trade him? He is the Unicone, no established MLB player cannot be eqeal value to him.
You trade him because in a year and a half he is gone for close to nothing. He wants to win so he will be out the door.
The LAA aren’t trading Ohtani, so give me Soto for 2+ yrs, and we’ll talk after that.....DUH.....
Ohtani to the Dodgers. Lol
Soto for sure but either player would be a 👍
If the Angels trade Ohtani, then just sell the team Moreno and move it out of the LA area.
Arte Moreno is the problems with the Angels
Dodgers or Giants. Both cities have a large Japanese population and their ticket harvest would be amazing. Dodgers have the history with Nomomania.
If Soto is only 23 than I am 65...I, 36 and look like I am 30. His Latin age is who the hell knows his real age has to be at least 27-30. Plus obtain can do more. Soto is just a bat that it it!
Soto and it’s not close
Juan is too greedy. Not good for team chemistry. Sho all the way.
Think before you threat
#1, #3, #6, #8, #13,
AND TORRES FOR SOTO
$2, #4, #7, #10, #11,
AND ANDUJAR FOR OHTANI!
MY YANKEES WOULD BE DOMINANT!!
Trout and Ohtani to cardinals
2:25 stop it Rich, Ohtani cannot do what Soto does at the plate
Huh?
Juan Soto is overrated.
if ohtani doesnt get traded which is doubtful i can totally see him going to a socal team, that dude cannot pitch in the yankee stadium, no way hes going to the yankees
I'm surprised he didn't say if one was transgender that was who i would trade for
TJ people know who mike trout is…
Ohtani anytime