im a former firefighter. PLEASE CARRY YOURE TRAUMA KITS AND KNOW HOW TO USE IT. there are so many times that a bystander with a trauma kit could have changed the out come of the situation
As an old boy scout I have to agree with knowing how to use whatever emergency gear you carry. Some items can be worse than useless if not backed by appropriate knowlege.
Unfortunately, while I would use one on myself or a loved one. I wouldn't touch someone else with any of it. There's too much liability. I could be trained for years and not be at least EMT basic. Good Samaritan laws don't cover most of what's in a trauma kit. Without a certification, I'd be looking at possible prison and a guaranteed civil suit loss for practicing without a license. My family wouldn't sue me, at least. It's sad that it's come to this, but that the world liberals wanted. So it's the world they got.
When I watched the Armed Attornies yesterday I was like, "Oh, John isn't gonna like this...." And I have to agree. Always carry trauma kit. Absolutely bananas to suggest to someone they shouldn't. IMO.
Reading the Armed Attorneys comments is like being able to go back in time to see people justifying living in Berlin in 1939. Expecting the German legal system to resolve their problems, trying to figure out how to wear their gold star just right to avoid legal issues...the problems of a divided othered people. Listen to me, if you think you live in a place where your community would vote guilty because you are the type of person who brings medical kit with you to save the lives of others... It is time to LEAVE! Don't change your kit. MOVE! DON'T LIVE IN A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE (attorneys/jury/judges/politicians/educators) HATE YOU, TRY TO DISARM YOU, HATE YOUR CULTURE, AND TRY TO ERASE YOUR HERITAGE! Move to where you and your loved ones can help make a first world bubble as society descends into chaos. I'm Cherokee Indian, ask me how I know. How well did the constitution protect the Cherokee in 1831? Don't give up your guns or your children will suffer.
@@promytv right. The only legitimate function of Government is protecting our freedoms. Everything the National Socialist German Workers Party did to its people 1939-1945 was justified with the phrase “it’s for your safety.” Keep your powder dry.
I mean it depends. I think you DO take on more legal risk in carrying a trauma kit. Look what they did to Rittenhouse. However, if you really are a person who does not want to see someone die if you can at all help it, even if said person is the kind that forced you into the use of lethal force, I don't know. You have to make that call.
Truly one of the few times where you can legitimately say that I would rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6. I'd rather survive a defensive encounter because I had emergency medical supplies and live to explain it to a jury, rather than not having them at all.
It's still s dumb saying. There is no logic behind the other video, they are approaching it from such a narrow perspective without considering how the defense would counter. Even someone who isn't an attorney would be able to tear their arguments to shreds.
@@Osprey1994 100%, it's just amusing to me because this is literally the first time I've ever seen where that saying could apply without being bullshit fuddlore
In all reality if you're dead then you won't be caring about anything. If you're a religious person then you should be embracing death so you can meet your maker sooner.
I think, given that I don't have kids waiting on me to come home, that I would rather face incarceration because of a remarkably ignorant, if well meaning, jury than not be able to try and save someone's life, even if that someone is the SOB that just threatened me with death or great bodily harm. Still, I think one must be aware that a lot, maybe a majority, of Americans these days perceive anyone capable of shooting someone else, regardless of circumstances, as a bad guy. And they would consider someone walking around with a gun and a med kit as crazy. What people need to understand and normalize again is that good moral sane prudent people are WILLING to use deadly force to stop a threat, but we don't want anyone to die.
@@pauliexcluded1 I think what is happening here is John wants this to be more normalized as do I. "Normal people carry guns to defend themselves and normal people carry trauma kits for themselves in case something happens." He would be testifying to that as an expert witness. But just because he testifies to those statements does not make it so. Depending on the venue, if you are in Maryland or in California or in Hawaii or in any deep blue City, a jury of your peers is not going to consider that statement normal even though we would like it to be normal and the Constitution says it's normal. In today's devided America and certain locations it would not be considered to be normal. It's the exact opposite of normalized. If you are in Arizona or Texas and everywhere you go you see a gun on someone's hip openly carried that's a different story. Things become normalized as Society slowly comes to accept things and they become normal. It depends on where your defensive encounter is going to be as to whether or not this trauma kit may or may not hurt you. Either way I would choose to carry one for John's specific reason of saving my own life or my family members. I could give two s**** about the bad guy. As a retired State Trooper I had a duty to act and render aid. I no longer have that duty.
I can definitely applaud the gentlemanly way you handled your critique of the matter. I really hope they issue a retraction and begin to explain themselves. This does make a wonderful case for why you should choose your attorney wisely. There have been attorneys with good intentions who have walked their clients to state prison. Good intentions don’t win cases aggressive professional defenses do or have a higher likely hood to win cases… Or at least preserve the record for a strong winnable appeal. Or keep your trauma kit with you so you can at least be alive to do your prison time
I watched the video, and I did notice that they did agree that it is responsible to carry one, their main problem with it is that it can jam you up in court. So this is a test of the character of self-defender. Are you willing to do the right thing if it means that you might get jammed up in court over it?
They don't need to explain anything to anyone. They said what they said, what is there to explain or retract? It's called freedom of speech not, lets calm down the naysayers. It's not like they can be canceled because you have to believe in Cancel Culture for that to work. Ultimately, it will be the jury who make the final call on a GGWAG.
@@ASPextra what?! But you disagree with them. You're supposed to hate them with every fiber of your being and continuously take passive aggressive shots at them. It's so refreshing to see adults act like adults instead of children. Great video.
I listened to their reasons and was just stunned that I or my loved ones should bleed to death to "Look good" to a prosecutor. I think there are a lot of things to avoid on then carrying a Trauma kit. Thanks for your reasoned out great defense of using sound logic. I just renewed my Premium membership with Firearms Legal Protection.
The Armed Attorneys were not referring to using it on yourself or loved ones, or innocent bystanders, not that I heard anyhow, they were referring to you by yourself having to defend yourself and shooting an assailant and the question of 'should you render first aid or not to the victim.' Also, remember they (self defense attorneys) say to never touch the potential crime scene. IE: tampering with evidence!
Thank you for posting this John! Their video had me yelling at my computer screen lol This is what happens when you care more about a single potential line of attack from a prosecutor over saving your own life!
@cagney billingsley you have bandages, quick clot, a tourniquet, and a vest, and somebody pulls a knife on you. Do you block the knife attacks with your vest?
The problem is that Armed Attorneys are making their recommendation from an almost purely legal perspective, not a self-defender’s perspective. And they are making a massive assumption that you’re going to win your fight with only minor bumps, bruises, and cuts at most, which is a tremendous assumption and isn’t necessarily the case. They were ultimately more concerned about legal repercussions than having a fighting chance at saving your own life or the life of someone you love. This is what happens when your expertise is so narrow that you forget to take the totality of the circumstances into account (along with their associated weights).
John's point is that it could save your life or the life of a loved one. True. Armed Attorney's point is its very presence could jam you up in court. True. Anyone who watched the Rittenhouse case knows how creatively they will misrepresent in order to try to get you any way they can. I guess IMO it would be better to be alive to stand a chance at winning that court battle vs. bleeding out on scene.
John's analysis of this video was truly needed. If only for the clarification that AA is looking at this purely from the legal perspective. Thanks, John. I really appreciate you and the team!
The prosecutor of the Rittenhouse case simultaneously tried to get Kyle on "overpen" by using FMJ and also tried to say JHP were explosive rounds, even though JHP weren't used in that case.
Some of these prosecutors seem truly evil. Their job should be to get as many people they believe to be guilty to be convicted, NOT, to just try and get as many convictions as possible. The fact that the Armed Attorneys said they used to "think dirty" and twist things shows an utter disregard for justice.
I could be wrong but I think the attorneys did a video not to long ago about going to the range to practice shooting etc … regularly and how this will and could be used against you in court also. By doing that the prosecutors will show you are basically a gun fanatic that loves to shoot guns and therefore people etc etc… at that point I just thought well, your damned if you do and you are damned if you don’t. I remember the woman I got my CWP from and took lessons from told me that if I continued to come to the range regularly on my own to practice that should I ever get into a defensive shooting and was taken to court she would testify on my behalf because I practiced regularly. You just cannot win anymore …. Just do what you think is the right thing to do in these circumstances.
I understand their points, but agree with you John! I was a medic many years ago and will always carry a trauma medical kit in my car and on my person.
So you had the means and training to save a life, and didn't render aid. You do know that is actually a crime. You missed the point. They were describing ways prosecutors they have gone up against have tried to prosecuting someone with self defense.
Also trauma med kits might not just be for shootings but just other serious injuries. I’ve seen dog attacks that luckily weren’t that serious but wished I had a med kit. I understand not wanting to be tactical commando carrying a baton and handcuffs etc but a trauma kit can save you life and others you care about.
I mean you don't even need that much. TQ, chest seal or some solid sticky bandage, and something for a wound packing. Combine that with the shirt you are wearing and the knife in your pocket and you've got a leg up on 99% of the people around you and short of something like a nasty gut shot that would likely kill you anyways you'll have the basic tools needed to buy a few extra minutes for the proper tools to get there.
As a CERT member, an EMT,and a combat marine, and a person who stops at every accident that I come across. Carry your dang medical supplies! Those attorneys are living in a bubble filled with books, classes, and gates.
Because of this channel, I always carry a trauma kit on my person always regardless of what an attorney may say. Just like this channel taught me and many others, act as if no one is coming to save you, that's what carrying a trauma kit means to me. I work as a non-sworn campus safety officer for a college and thankfully my department issues the tourniquet to carry on my duty belt and I carry the other trauma items on my person. Thanks active self protection and John for this valuable information and I thought it was a good discussion. Keep up the trauma kit videos, these are good 👍
I was persuaded away from a trauma kit after watching their video but I’m glad I seen this one on my feed. I’m definitely defaulting back to making sure I have one, I’ll just hire an attorney who can defend me if it ever comes up. I still really enjoy their channel but I’d be hesitant on hiring an attorney who has a hard time defending good and moral behavior or who prefers I sacrifice the sanctity of life for an easy win in court. Thank you for boldly speaking up and talking sense back into me.
Completely agree, John. As an accountant I deal with attorneys regularly that lack perspective. You're right to describe their expertise as often limited to legal issues and proceedings. Some do break the mold of course. What she said at 10 minutes is quite myopic.
OK, you at least put a capital M with the Marine, so I won't bash you too hard. There are no Marine Medics. There are Navy Corpsmen who are attached to Marine units. They are even allowed to wear Marine uniforms under certain conditions. I'm not saying any of this to put any shade on any Corpsmen, just the opposite. They deserve to be recognized. One this for sure, you won't find anybody disrespecting them with Marines around. Now that said, if anybody Claimed to be a Marine medic gave you trauma classes, you got scammed. If it was legit you wouldn't be calling them a Marine Medic. Or maybe you just thought it sounded better than a red cross instructor, in which case you might change the details so it's not such a red flag to a Marine reading it.
@@2ProTecK My bad, I'm not well versed in the military. He must be a Navy Corpsman like you said. I thought I remembered him saying he performed medical duties for Marines, it was so passing, I am not even sure he said Marines or another service branch! It's a shame that I don't know this, my Dad and uncles served in the Navy during WWII. All-in-all, the guy knew his stuff and I feel much better prepared to deal with puncture wounds! Have a blessed new year and thanks for the correction!
What a sad state of affairs and existence we've achieved, when having the means to preserve and save a life it's seen more like a liability, than a blessing.
Wow, I watched their video earlier today. It made me second guess my carrying of my trauma kit. I'm glad I saw your response in the same day. You did a great job of explaining away their points. This was my first video of your channel, and I loved it. You've gained a subscriber.
If you dont have a trauma kit & you bleed out at the scene, you'll never make it in front of the prosecutor anyway. So I'd rather actually live & worry about the jury afterwards
I was a boy scout for years and my father is a former nurse. Given what we have both seen in our time, we always carried an extensive one. Having one in general isn't a bad idea.
Literally everyone should be carrying medical stuff on them at all times. Life is dangerous for all sorts of reasons. Learn CPR. Learn the symptoms of a stroke. Know how to use an AED. Get training and even if you don't have training, carry some stuff and offer it up to anyone around who does have training if they're ever caught someplace without stuff but know what to do.
I also am a former fire/rescue person, and carry a 'crash bag' in my vehicle along with trauma gear oriented to 'stop the bleed'. Three departments, Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin.
Glad you came back with your response on this! Not carrying a trauma kit on the basis that it could be used against you in a court case is in line with not carrying personal protection because it could be used against you. It’s a chance I’m willing to take because with both, I am trying to be prepared to save my own life, and if I do not have the tools to do that, I must rely on the SECOND responders, since I am literally the first responder. How long do you have to wait on the second responders??? Seconds still count
I've been thinking of getting an EDC trauma kit. I wouldn't want to watch a family member bleed out wishing I had the tools to stop it. That is a memory I'd have to carry the rest of my life.
John, while you're coming at it from a practical POV (the keep yourself and others POV), they are looking at it from a Legal (save yourself from Jail POV) which is telling of how messed up the justice system is, within regards to self protection.
@@Asidebar this guys is super duper butthurt. You're in literally every thread pissing & moaning. Never had to face an opposing opinion before, I'd gather?
Look man their advice is prudent to maybe 10 states who are woefully anti gun and self defense. Who are experiencing increased self defense and carry due to Bruen. However, the prosecutors in these states have no experience putting away law abiding gun owners for self defense, They have been relying on process law such as carrying in a restricted area or not declaring your firearm etc. As for what is considered lawful defense these states will be attempting anything and everything to turn self defense into murder regardless of whether you have a med kit or not. Your life will be in the hands of your peers who may or may not be anti gun, the prosecutors will be garbage regardless.
I love this discussion. Sometimes the perspective of the critical thinker can cloud the judgement. We do need to think about the fight after the fight, that's why we train to understand our rights & responsibilities. But we need to get there too, so being prepared is just smart. As a former EMT, the biggest thing that is pounded into your head in training is scene safety. When testing for the practical portion, if you didnt verify that the scene was safe, you failed. In a self defense gun fight, the scene isn't safe until the police arrive and verify it.
Thank you - I saw their video and accepted that as their opinion or wisdom, and elected to disregard it because even if it does come up in court, I’d rather have the kit because I might need it. I may even need the kit for an incident wholly unrelated to shooting or defensive encounters.
Kyle's prosecutors didn't want to mention the medical kit because they didn't want reinforce to the jury that Kyle was only there in Kenosha to help other people. Pure evil. Also, for a legal perspective, I understand their point of view. It's much easier for them if they don't have to explain a medical kit. I agree with you that it's best practice and makes you much more prepared. I also agree with you that it's better choice morally. However, if you don't have it, it makes your legal defense somewhat easier.
Sorry but if you remember they then tried to hammer him on if he rendered aid to those who he shot. He stated no. Binger (that worm) tried to make him out to be heartless when it suited him. The problem is that if Kyle possessed no footage, he'd be down the river ass up. Watching further cases, your intentions prior to being attack can potentially sway the jury. What you possessed could sway the jury. If you panicked and didn't render aid, could sway the jury. They treat you with more responsibility than most cops and heaven forbid if they use a cop to outwardly lie about details In truth the answer seems to be "Depends"
I am happy to see this video. I watch the Armed Attorneys frequently. When I watched this one I was set back. Every life is precious, even if it was someone's who might have ended yours. If the threat for your life has stopped, I surely would want to help.
I watched that video and i found myself shaking my head and struggling to grasp the concept of the dialog. I'm glad to see I wasn't losing my mind. Great reaction video John. I think this could provoke a follow-up video from Armed Attorneys. Hopefully.
Agreed. I was taught not to render first aid to someone you shoot in self defense. This is different from an Leo or military watch-stander where once you neutralize them as a threat, they are no longer a combatant and you become responsible for their care as a first responder. As a civilian, secure the scene, preserve evidence, call 911, but don’t aid the attacker.
John, It was jarring to hear them say this. I felt the same way as you about carrying a trauma first aid kit. I have them in my car, home, range bag, hiking backpack. I appreciate you responding to me and your value on life. Sorry if I was one of many letting you know about the Armed Attorneys video.
Long ago, I was an EMT. Trauma happens. There’s a kit in a cargo pocket of my pants, NOT just because someone might get shot. My wife and I work in our wood lot with chainsaws, tractor, winches, logs. Injuries happen. As far as defense, it is never my desire to injure or kill. If I am forced to use my gun to STOP a deadly threat, and that person stops being a threat, there is no evil in trying to minimize his suffering and keep him alive to stand trial.
Agreed. 100%! I had the same thoughts when I saw the AA video. I'm not going to sacrifice my life or my family's life to make sure my attorney is comfortable with the case I hand them. As you said, if my attorney can't make the prosecution look like a fool for even bringing up that argument, then I have the wrong attorney.
100 percent agree with John's points. Plus, it is far more likely you'll need it for some non gun incident than for gunshot wounds, and i better have one
Thank you. The content on their channel is very good; almost always post incident based. The totality of the circumstances is what needs to be considered.
As a firefighter I always carry 2 battle dressings and a pair of gloves. They are compact and fit easily in pockets. I recently used them when I witnessed a man trip on the sidewalk and sustain a severe head wound. I was able to render immediate aid until first responders arrived. I always carry them.
In a recent Safety class, we were told that your Trauma Kit will be needed more often than not for a non-gunshot incident. As you said, someone goes through a plate glass window, or a bicycle vs automobile accident, or any number of other life-threatening traumas that happen in life - not related to firearms. If you can stop severe blood loss in the first 2-5 minutes before EMS gets there, you could be the one who saves a life. So go ahead and carry that ankle kit with you. The life you save may be your own.
I went to put in a similar comment as a fulltime doc at a trauma center, former Army medic and wilderness medicine guy. Chainsaws, plate glass, motorcycle and car crashes, the list is very long of non-gsw reasons to need a trauma medical kit; I hand them out as Christmas gifts to my friends. Love Emily and Richard's content, but agree with you that this is one area that I will not be following their legal advice
It blew my mind when the armed attorneys explained that by having a first aid kit I was giving prosecutors an opening into saying I was looking to kill someone if I were to be involved in a self defense shooting. Right or wrong, this issue even needing to be considered is a stunning rebuke of our legal system imo, we are beginning to mirror China where human life is to costly to preserve and it is simply better to ignore a dying man than to offer him aid simply because your liability for doing nothing is simply less. Disgusting, and any prosecutor who goes down that route should be shamed and shunned by colleagues, friends and family because they truly are despicable.
I have spent 39 years as a paramedic. I have trained all of my children, grandchildren and friends how to use a trauma kit. The thought of not being prepared for a medical emergency goes against everything I stand for.
I'm glad that you covered this one, I had to duct tape my head to keep it from exploding when watching their video. Great point that they put out hundreds of videos, everyone gets things wrong sometimes and different people may look at the same subject under different light. Now, you're all busy people and I imagine that the logistics would be nearly insurmountable but I'd be interested in seeing y'all together and discussing the topic.
I was a combat medic in Nam and I’ve been in a gunfight when I was a cop. In the aftermath of the gunfight I was numb, wondering if that really just happened and if I was alright. In both of my cases EMTs were staged at the scene and provided aid to the guy I shot. Could I have done it myself, even w/my level of combat experience? I’m not sure to be quite truthful.
I felt like the Armed Attorneys were trying to say that those who carry/train medical are going to be viewed like those who have punisher skulls on their magazines in court. While I hate the saying “better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6,” I would rather do my best to preserve life and deal with the “consequences” later. Great video as always, John!
Loved this video. When I saw their video I had to constantly remind myself they are supposedly Pro 2A and also had to remember they were former prosecutors (which was the thinking they portrayed throughout the majority of the video). If they are Pro 2A and in the role of a defense attorney they better than anyone should understand the validity of having a IFAK. Also, if I can do nothing right in the eyes of the prosecutor…taking a criminals/douche bags life is at the top of my problems and having a IFAK on me is at the bottom of the totem pole. A prosecutor could also ask why do have a red dot, compressor, etc. As the young guns would say “they reached” with that one. Wouldn’t want them representing me at all.
Excellent reasoning re: why you don't approach the downed attacker after the fight -- they can still be very dangerous and you have no team to back you up. My reasoning for carrying an IFAK is for my/my peoples possible injuries, or for any bystanders that took injuries, or even for fellow gun-range users injured by a negligent discharge. Can't thank you enough, John!
Yeah, don't be messing around with the body at all, they'll claim you were trying to destroy or plant evidence or something. Get away from it, and hope that they won't survive to lie about you in court someday.
Missing in both these videos is the fact that a trauma kit is going to be used 9 times out of 10 for something other than a self defense event. Car accidents, falling off a ladder, someone slipped with a kitchen knife, etc. are all things we have done or know someone who has done. Bullets aren't the only things that cause leaks in us, not even close to a leading cause. Folks need to take a look at their actual lives and not be so myopic around firearms. They're important yes, but there's a lot more to real life than gun fights. Even most gun owners probably put more gallons of gas thru their vehicles than they do rounds thru a firearm. We need to be ready and AWARE for all life threatening hazards, not just our fantasy heroic ones with guns. It was completely irresponsible for the Armed Attorneys to even title a video with a suggestion to not carry lifesaving basics. They're supposed to be given advice to gun carrying citizens in the real world, not suggest you do something that would make their lives easier in the courtroom. I keep an IFAK with my vehicle, motorcycle, chainsaw gear, and the backpack that comes with me on adventures. We should all be looking for places to stash them that make sense for our lives and taking annual first aid courses, minimum. I'm willing to bet that the girlfriend of the young man who stopped that mall shooting last summer, who was rendering first aid afterwards, would have been very happy to have had an IFAK. Maybe fewer people would have died if there were a few of them in the crowd that day.
My goal is not primarily to make my lawyers job easier. my goal in a defensive force situation is to end it with as little loss of life as necessary. A trauma kit assists that. let the lawyer do their job, you do yours.
@Active Self Protection Extra of course, but people should not feel pressured to act in a way that might hinder the saving of any life due to fear of being prosecuted. If I shoot someone and I can see they are no longer a threat, if I have the means I would absolutely try to save their life.
Jamming someone up for having a first aid kit, saying they sought out the encounter, would be like calling someone an arsonist because they had a fire extinguisher and used it to put out a fire.
This is crazy...I carry a trauma kit with me always, even when I am not carrying a firearm, because I want to be able to help my students, be a good Samaritan, and have the equipment necessary to save a life. She can "honestly believe" all she wants but she is on crack if she thinks its a bad idea to carry a kit. Just bizarre.
A good prosecutor will take advantage of any and All situations. Whether it's because you carry a firearm for personal protection, or anything that may render aid to yourself or others. You are responsible for your actions. A good prosecutor will twist that to fit there own needs.
Thanks for a level headed, rational response to their video, John. I have known Richard and his family for many years and can assure you he's a great guy. I also really like their youtube channel, but I definitely agree with you on this one.
I made similar comments on their video when I saw it. Ultimately, each person has their own "why" for any given habit/posture they have. My wife and I both have get-home bags in our vehicles, that include their own med kits. However, in many situations I just feel it's prudent to have a smaller ankle kit because I may not be near my vehicle when a tragedy happens. It wouldn't matter if it was a self-defense situation. Speaking as one who is carrying concealed everywhere I'm legally allowed, I never want to be in a situation where I might have to use deadly force. But I don't get to choose if someone will be threatening my life. If it comes to it, I'll do what I need to in order to end the threat. Ending the threat doesn't automatically mean ending their life. As you pointed out, IF the threat is neutralized and IF I believe it's safe to do so, I don't believe there's anything condemning about rendering aid to even the perpetrator in order to preserve life.
The thing is the laws are designed to protect the criminals not the law abiding citizen and prosecutors and defence lawyers will anything they can to make life hard for you in court. Meanwhile the criminals get legal aid and everything, this is in Australia
I'm so glad you made this video response. They really did miss it on this one. We cannot live in such fear of public opinion that we limit our own ability to save our lives or the lives of others. At the end of the day, we have a legal right to defend life and having or not having a trauma kit doesn't change whether or not a self defense shooting was good and just with good judgment used. We don't have a legal obligation to render first aid to an attacker and whether or not you do, or whether or not you exercise first aid fast enough to save the attackers life doesn't change whether or not you properly and legally used force to defend yourself or another person. Statistically speaking, you're more likely to encounter a life saving critical emergency where an ifak must be used than you are to experience a self defense encounter. Everyone who can carry and train to use trauma medical equipment should and owes it to themselves and to society to do so.
Great rebuttal to TAA’s video. I watched that video when they released it and thought to myself, no way that I won’t carry an IFAK or Trauma Kit at all times!!!
Thanks John, I watch both you and armed attorneys everyday. I also carry a trauma kit. I appreciate your quick response and pointing out their purpose in their argument as well as yours. Thanks for all you do. Lastly thank you for not tearing them down, but respecting their position…you are a good man.
@@ASPextra well, they may argue it was on the line, but theirs is after the battle, if I was ever in a battle, or witnessed one, or any trauma, I want my kit!
I've been in Fire/EMS since 2010, became a Paramedic in 2014, and have been a SWAT Medic since 2017. I teach Stop the Bleed and trauma medical to law enforcement agencies throughout my area. I agree with John 100%. The only thing I expected John to say & didn't hear was him beating the training drum. That being said, I feel very confident that, in addition to the points he has made in this response video, as he says in many many of his main channel videos, he would say, GET TRAINING. Carrying this equipment is not enough, you must: 1. Know how to use it 2. Physically train with it to become proficient in its use until such time as it has become an unconscious competency Tourniquets in particular are critical medical that every Concealed Carrier should always have on their person. You can bleed to DEATH in as little as 3 minutes from a severe traumatic extremity wound but you can bleed out enough to lose your ability to physically remain in the fight (combat effective) in as little as 30 SECONDS! THAT is the reason you must seek out training in how to identify severe extremity hemorrhage, what equipment is needed to treat it, and physically applying that knowledge in a repetitive manner until you have myelinated the skill into your brain. Begin with a Stop the Bleed class, they are FREE & are a great starting point. Great videos John, keep up the good work!
Great video!! I am late seeing your response (am now a subscriber) but it is spot on!! When I watched the AA video a few months ago (I like their channel, BTW) I was dumbfounded by their advice. I am a lawyer (not criminal defense) and sent the AA video to several lawyer friends who were equally bewildered by the discussion on their video. It seemed that they were having a law school "every possible what if" hypothetical discussion instead of giving sound advice. As another commenter stated, I hope you got a chance at ShotShow to catch up with them and plan a joint follow up commentary.
When I decided to start carrying one, five years ago, I was looking for the most convenient way to carry/store my kit. I looked at either range bag configurations, to back packs, to a dedicated trauma pouch. But what I found worked best, not only in or with gear, but in every day use, is a fanny pack. One clip and I can give it to who needs it. It's right under the plate carrier but above the belt to not be in the way. Always readily accessible. It's the 35L from outdoor gear Edit: plus you can wear the fanny pack everyday with you when you go out, and you just look weird for using a fanny pack. Or you can clip it on the headrest in your car
The standard of care for a professional prehospital medical care from EMT/Paramedic if the scene is unsafe or their is a danger to you, you are not compelled or required to provide care under duty to help. Same applies to any Good Samaritan, if you are involved in a violent encounter where someone or some people wish to do you harm you can not be held liable for failing to act. Regardless of what training you have or gear you have on you or even if you are in uniform.
I have an ankle kit on me at all times. Just the basics to stop the bleed. I have an expanded kit in the truck but if I'm away from the truck I do not want to waste time retrieving it.
Thanks John for your rebuttal of this subject. My trauma kit is only for myself and victims not the one who created the situation. Plus the police handcuff the subject before giving.first aid.You are much more likely to use your kit for car accidents than a shooting.
Spot on John! I couldn’t imagine ditching my medical gear.. ankle medical kit is on me everyday and separate med kit for when I’m hunting ( ankle kit doesn’t work with tall boots). I have a bleeding disorder so I would say I have a bigger excuse than others to have one but everyone bleeds so everyone should be able to stop it. Thanks for the great videos!
im a former firefighter. PLEASE CARRY YOURE TRAUMA KITS AND KNOW HOW TO USE IT. there are so many times that a bystander with a trauma kit could have changed the out come of the situation
Seconding the former firefighter advice even though I was a yellow hat volly.
As an old boy scout I have to agree with knowing how to use whatever emergency gear you carry. Some items can be worse than useless if not backed by appropriate knowlege.
I agree with you brother. 33 years on the job. I always carry my trauma kit.
Unfortunately, while I would use one on myself or a loved one. I wouldn't touch someone else with any of it. There's too much liability. I could be trained for years and not be at least EMT basic. Good Samaritan laws don't cover most of what's in a trauma kit. Without a certification, I'd be looking at possible prison and a guaranteed civil suit loss for practicing without a license. My family wouldn't sue me, at least. It's sad that it's come to this, but that the world liberals wanted. So it's the world they got.
@@ryanburns3921 honestly that is true sadly
When I watched the Armed Attornies yesterday I was like, "Oh, John isn't gonna like this...." And I have to agree. Always carry trauma kit. Absolutely bananas to suggest to someone they shouldn't. IMO.
Same! I put in the comments that John would wear his ankle kit if he was at the beach swimming!
Reading the Armed Attorneys comments is like being able to go back in time to see people justifying living in Berlin in 1939. Expecting the German legal system to resolve their problems, trying to figure out how to wear their gold star just right to avoid legal issues...the problems of a divided othered people.
Listen to me, if you think you live in a place where your community would vote guilty because you are the type of person who brings medical kit with you to save the lives of others... It is time to LEAVE! Don't change your kit. MOVE! DON'T LIVE IN A PLACE WHERE PEOPLE (attorneys/jury/judges/politicians/educators) HATE YOU, TRY TO DISARM YOU, HATE YOUR CULTURE, AND TRY TO ERASE YOUR HERITAGE! Move to where you and your loved ones can help make a first world bubble as society descends into chaos. I'm Cherokee Indian, ask me how I know. How well did the constitution protect the Cherokee in 1831? Don't give up your guns or your children will suffer.
Me too...and Armed Attorney wrote me back saying they've been in contact with ASP....not sure if it was BEFORE this ASP drop.
@@promytv right. The only legitimate function of Government is protecting our freedoms. Everything the National Socialist German Workers Party did to its people 1939-1945 was justified with the phrase “it’s for your safety.” Keep your powder dry.
I mean it depends. I think you DO take on more legal risk in carrying a trauma kit. Look what they did to Rittenhouse. However, if you really are a person who does not want to see someone die if you can at all help it, even if said person is the kind that forced you into the use of lethal force, I don't know. You have to make that call.
Truly one of the few times where you can legitimately say that I would rather be tried by 12 than carried by 6.
I'd rather survive a defensive encounter because I had emergency medical supplies and live to explain it to a jury, rather than not having them at all.
It's still s dumb saying. There is no logic behind the other video, they are approaching it from such a narrow perspective without considering how the defense would counter. Even someone who isn't an attorney would be able to tear their arguments to shreds.
@@Osprey1994 100%, it's just amusing to me because this is literally the first time I've ever seen where that saying could apply without being bullshit fuddlore
In all reality if you're dead then you won't be caring about anything. If you're a religious person then you should be embracing death so you can meet your maker sooner.
I think, given that I don't have kids waiting on me to come home, that I would rather face incarceration because of a remarkably ignorant, if well meaning, jury than not be able to try and save someone's life, even if that someone is the SOB that just threatened me with death or great bodily harm. Still, I think one must be aware that a lot, maybe a majority, of Americans these days perceive anyone capable of shooting someone else, regardless of circumstances, as a bad guy. And they would consider someone walking around with a gun and a med kit as crazy.
What people need to understand and normalize again is that good moral sane prudent people are WILLING to use deadly force to stop a threat, but we don't want anyone to die.
@@pauliexcluded1 I think what is happening here is John wants this to be more normalized as do I. "Normal people carry guns to defend themselves and normal people carry trauma kits for themselves in case something happens." He would be testifying to that as an expert witness. But just because he testifies to those statements does not make it so. Depending on the venue, if you are in Maryland or in California or in Hawaii or in any deep blue City, a jury of your peers is not going to consider that statement normal even though we would like it to be normal and the Constitution says it's normal. In today's devided America and certain locations it would not be considered to be normal. It's the exact opposite of normalized. If you are in Arizona or Texas and everywhere you go you see a gun on someone's hip openly carried that's a different story. Things become normalized as Society slowly comes to accept things and they become normal. It depends on where your defensive encounter is going to be as to whether or not this trauma kit may or may not hurt you. Either way I would choose to carry one for John's specific reason of saving my own life or my family members. I could give two s**** about the bad guy. As a retired State Trooper I had a duty to act and render aid. I no longer have that duty.
I can definitely applaud the gentlemanly way you handled your critique of the matter. I really hope they issue a retraction and begin to explain themselves. This does make a wonderful case for why you should choose your attorney wisely. There have been attorneys with good intentions who have walked their clients to state prison. Good intentions don’t win cases aggressive professional defenses do or have a higher likely hood to win cases… Or at least preserve the record for a strong winnable appeal. Or keep your trauma kit with you so you can at least be alive to do your prison time
Thanks, I appreciate that.
I watched the video, and I did notice that they did agree that it is responsible to carry one, their main problem with it is that it can jam you up in court. So this is a test of the character of self-defender. Are you willing to do the right thing if it means that you might get jammed up in court over it?
They don't need to explain anything to anyone. They said what they said, what is there to explain or retract? It's called freedom of speech not, lets calm down the naysayers. It's not like they can be canceled because you have to believe in Cancel Culture for that to work. Ultimately, it will be the jury who make the final call on a GGWAG.
I'd love to see a conversation between John and The Armed Attorney's if the schedules line up!
I emailed them and they’ll be at SHOT Show this year (we go every year) so we are going to meet up!
This would be an excellent combo
@@ASPextra That would be awesome! I love both channels! (been an avid viewer of ASP for 5+ years!)
@@ASPextra what?! But you disagree with them. You're supposed to hate them with every fiber of your being and continuously take passive aggressive shots at them.
It's so refreshing to see adults act like adults instead of children. Great video.
@@ASPextra we need that cross over... I will put my ass down for an hour to listen to that conversation.
Your honor, I’m entering my appearance on behalf of my client who is present before you posthumously.
Right?
John, I feel like this was a mature response to their video. Good work, and I’ll keep carrying my kit
I listened to their reasons and was just stunned that I or my loved ones should bleed to death to "Look good" to a prosecutor. I think there are a lot of things to avoid on then carrying a Trauma kit. Thanks for your reasoned out great defense of using sound logic. I just renewed my Premium membership with Firearms Legal Protection.
If you get on all fours and spread your cheeks for criminals to relieve their stress inside of you. Only then you will look good to the prosecutors.
If armed attorneys weren’t just blatantly trolling, they misunderstood the reason for carrying a trauma kit. Reality is trauma kit is for ME.
@@TheRunAndGun10 Agree 100%. It's part of the self defense paradigm. Key word being SELF
They are lawyers.
The Armed Attorneys were not referring to using it on yourself or loved ones, or innocent bystanders, not that I heard anyhow, they were referring to you by yourself having to defend yourself and shooting an assailant and the question of 'should you render first aid or not to the victim.'
Also, remember they (self defense attorneys) say to never touch the potential crime scene. IE: tampering with evidence!
Thank you for posting this John! Their video had me yelling at my computer screen lol
This is what happens when you care more about a single potential line of attack from a prosecutor over saving your own life!
Same
kevlar vest and trauma kit are arguably more important than being armed
Totes.
truth... stick to fundamental principles.
@cagney billingsley you have bandages, quick clot, a tourniquet, and a vest, and somebody pulls a knife on you. Do you block the knife attacks with your vest?
The problem is that Armed Attorneys are making their recommendation from an almost purely legal perspective, not a self-defender’s perspective. And they are making a massive assumption that you’re going to win your fight with only minor bumps, bruises, and cuts at most, which is a tremendous assumption and isn’t necessarily the case. They were ultimately more concerned about legal repercussions than having a fighting chance at saving your own life or the life of someone you love. This is what happens when your expertise is so narrow that you forget to take the totality of the circumstances into account (along with their associated weights).
so you are willing to go to jail by not listening to the lawyers who work in this field and listen to someone who has what qualifications?
@@andrewschliewe6392show my a legal precedent in which the defendant was convicted based on carrying a IFAK
John's point is that it could save your life or the life of a loved one. True.
Armed Attorney's point is its very presence could jam you up in court. True.
Anyone who watched the Rittenhouse case knows how creatively they will misrepresent in order to try to get you any way they can.
I guess IMO it would be better to be alive to stand a chance at winning that court battle vs. bleeding out on scene.
John's analysis of this video was truly needed. If only for the clarification that AA is looking at this purely from the legal perspective. Thanks, John. I really appreciate you and the team!
The prosecutor of the Rittenhouse case simultaneously tried to get Kyle on "overpen" by using FMJ and also tried to say JHP were explosive rounds, even though JHP weren't used in that case.
Some of these prosecutors seem truly evil. Their job should be to get as many people they believe to be guilty to be convicted, NOT, to just try and get as many convictions as possible. The fact that the Armed Attorneys said they used to "think dirty" and twist things shows an utter disregard for justice.
@@musicman1eanda I definitely caught that too
I could be wrong but I think the attorneys did a video not to long ago about going to the range to practice shooting etc … regularly and how this will and could be used against you in court also. By doing that the prosecutors will show you are basically a gun fanatic that loves to shoot guns and therefore people etc etc… at that point I just thought well, your damned if you do and you are damned if you don’t. I remember the woman I got my CWP from and took lessons from told me that if I continued to come to the range regularly on my own to practice that should I ever get into a defensive shooting and was taken to court she would testify on my behalf because I practiced regularly. You just cannot win anymore …. Just do what you think is the right thing to do in these circumstances.
I understand their points, but agree with you John! I was a medic many years ago and will always carry a trauma medical kit in my car and on my person.
i keep standard small and medium bandaids in my car (get used the most) and then israeli bandages with hemostatic clotting gauze with a TQ.
@@yoho1021 I took it one step further. I found a warrior aid and litter kit ,cheap. Stays in my truck.
So you had the means and training to save a life, and didn't render aid. You do know that is actually a crime. You missed the point. They were describing ways prosecutors they have gone up against have tried to prosecuting someone with self defense.
@@andrewschliewe6392 I have no duty to render aid to anyone! I think you missed the point.
@@thomasboyd6242 then why do you carry a trauma kit all the time.
Also trauma med kits might not just be for shootings but just other serious injuries. I’ve seen dog attacks that luckily weren’t that serious but wished I had a med kit. I understand not wanting to be tactical commando carrying a baton and handcuffs etc but a trauma kit can save you life and others you care about.
Exactly. Carry the tools that fit the mission.
I mean you don't even need that much. TQ, chest seal or some solid sticky bandage, and something for a wound packing. Combine that with the shirt you are wearing and the knife in your pocket and you've got a leg up on 99% of the people around you and short of something like a nasty gut shot that would likely kill you anyways you'll have the basic tools needed to buy a few extra minutes for the proper tools to get there.
Statistically you're a lot more likely to need to use your trauma kit than your gun.
As a CERT member, an EMT,and a combat marine, and a person who stops at every accident that I come across.
Carry your dang medical supplies!
Those attorneys are living in a bubble filled with books, classes, and gates.
"living in a bubble filled with books, classes, and gates." Perfect.
Because of this channel, I always carry a trauma kit on my person always regardless of what an attorney may say. Just like this channel taught me and many others, act as if no one is coming to save you, that's what carrying a trauma kit means to me. I work as a non-sworn campus safety officer for a college and thankfully my department issues the tourniquet to carry on my duty belt and I carry the other trauma items on my person. Thanks active self protection and John for this valuable information and I thought it was a good discussion. Keep up the trauma kit videos, these are good 👍
Same. Keep one in my car too. He got me carrying a mini flashlight and a POM too AND an extra mag. I used to just carry my gun by itself
I was persuaded away from a trauma kit after watching their video but I’m glad I seen this one on my feed. I’m definitely defaulting back to making sure I have one, I’ll just hire an attorney who can defend me if it ever comes up. I still really enjoy their channel but I’d be hesitant on hiring an attorney who has a hard time defending good and moral behavior or who prefers I sacrifice the sanctity of life for an easy win in court. Thank you for boldly speaking up and talking sense back into me.
Completely agree, John. As an accountant I deal with attorneys regularly that lack perspective. You're right to describe their expertise as often limited to legal issues and proceedings. Some do break the mold of course. What she said at 10 minutes is quite myopic.
I took trauma class a few months ago from a (redacted) medic. Best decision I've made in a long time. I carry a trauma kit everywhere.
OK, you at least put a capital M with the Marine, so I won't bash you too hard. There are no Marine Medics. There are Navy Corpsmen who are attached to Marine units. They are even allowed to wear Marine uniforms under certain conditions. I'm not saying any of this to put any shade on any Corpsmen, just the opposite. They deserve to be recognized. One this for sure, you won't find anybody disrespecting them with Marines around.
Now that said, if anybody Claimed to be a Marine medic gave you trauma classes, you got scammed. If it was legit you wouldn't be calling them a Marine Medic.
Or maybe you just thought it sounded better than a red cross instructor, in which case you might change the details so it's not such a red flag to a Marine reading it.
@@2ProTecK My bad, I'm not well versed in the military. He must be a Navy Corpsman like you said. I thought I remembered him saying he performed medical duties for Marines, it was so passing, I am not even sure he said Marines or another service branch! It's a shame that I don't know this, my Dad and uncles served in the Navy during WWII. All-in-all, the guy knew his stuff and I feel much better prepared to deal with puncture wounds! Have a blessed new year and thanks for the correction!
What a sad state of affairs and existence we've achieved, when having the means to preserve and save a life it's seen more like a liability, than a blessing.
Wow, I watched their video earlier today. It made me second guess my carrying of my trauma kit. I'm glad I saw your response in the same day. You did a great job of explaining away their points. This was my first video of your channel, and I loved it. You've gained a subscriber.
Lawyers twist everything, even armed ones. A trauma kit is valuable to all.
If you dont have a trauma kit & you bleed out at the scene, you'll never make it in front of the prosecutor anyway. So I'd rather actually live & worry about the jury afterwards
I was a boy scout for years and my father is a former nurse. Given what we have both seen in our time, we always carried an extensive one. Having one in general isn't a bad idea.
Literally everyone should be carrying medical stuff on them at all times. Life is dangerous for all sorts of reasons. Learn CPR. Learn the symptoms of a stroke. Know how to use an AED. Get training and even if you don't have training, carry some stuff and offer it up to anyone around who does have training if they're ever caught someplace without stuff but know what to do.
I also am a former fire/rescue person, and carry a 'crash bag' in my vehicle along with trauma gear oriented to 'stop the bleed'. Three departments, Ohio, Michigan, and Wisconsin.
Glad you came back with your response on this! Not carrying a trauma kit on the basis that it could be used against you in a court case is in line with not carrying personal protection because it could be used against you. It’s a chance I’m willing to take because with both, I am trying to be prepared to save my own life, and if I do not have the tools to do that, I must rely on the SECOND responders, since I am literally the first responder. How long do you have to wait on the second responders??? Seconds still count
I've been thinking of getting an EDC trauma kit. I wouldn't want to watch a family member bleed out wishing I had the tools to stop it. That is a memory I'd have to carry the rest of my life.
Refuge medical is the best
John, while you're coming at it from a practical POV (the keep yourself and others POV), they are looking at it from a Legal (save yourself from Jail POV) which is telling of how messed up the justice system is, within regards to self protection.
I think from a legal perspective they're still off! :)
In use of force? Yes, yes I am. In firearms? Yes. In this issue? Yes. In legal proceedings? No.
Understanding what expertise actually is helps.
@@Asidebar this guys is super duper butthurt. You're in literally every thread pissing & moaning. Never had to face an opposing opinion before, I'd gather?
Look man their advice is prudent to maybe 10 states who are woefully anti gun and self defense. Who are experiencing increased self defense and carry due to Bruen. However, the prosecutors in these states have no experience putting away law abiding gun owners for self defense, They have been relying on process law such as carrying in a restricted area or not declaring your firearm etc. As for what is considered lawful defense these states will be attempting anything and everything to turn self defense into murder regardless of whether you have a med kit or not. Your life will be in the hands of your peers who may or may not be anti gun, the prosecutors will be garbage regardless.
I love this discussion. Sometimes the perspective of the critical thinker can cloud the judgement. We do need to think about the fight after the fight, that's why we train to understand our rights & responsibilities. But we need to get there too, so being prepared is just smart. As a former EMT, the biggest thing that is pounded into your head in training is scene safety. When testing for the practical portion, if you didnt verify that the scene was safe, you failed. In a self defense gun fight, the scene isn't safe until the police arrive and verify it.
Thank you - I saw their video and accepted that as their opinion or wisdom, and elected to disregard it because even if it does come up in court, I’d rather have the kit because I might need it. I may even need the kit for an incident wholly unrelated to shooting or defensive encounters.
Jakob said it
Kyle's prosecutors didn't want to mention the medical kit because they didn't want reinforce to the jury that Kyle was only there in Kenosha to help other people. Pure evil.
Also, for a legal perspective, I understand their point of view. It's much easier for them if they don't have to explain a medical kit. I agree with you that it's best practice and makes you much more prepared. I also agree with you that it's better choice morally. However, if you don't have it, it makes your legal defense somewhat easier.
Sorry but if you remember they then tried to hammer him on if he rendered aid to those who he shot. He stated no. Binger (that worm) tried to make him out to be heartless when it suited him. The problem is that if Kyle possessed no footage, he'd be down the river ass up.
Watching further cases, your intentions prior to being attack can potentially sway the jury. What you possessed could sway the jury. If you panicked and didn't render aid, could sway the jury. They treat you with more responsibility than most cops and heaven forbid if they use a cop to outwardly lie about details
In truth the answer seems to be "Depends"
I am happy to see this video. I watch the Armed Attorneys frequently. When I watched this one I was set back. Every life is precious, even if it was someone's who might have ended yours. If the threat for your life has stopped, I surely would want to help.
I watched that video and i found myself shaking my head and struggling to grasp the concept of the dialog. I'm glad to see I wasn't losing my mind. Great reaction video John. I think this could provoke a follow-up video from Armed Attorneys. Hopefully.
Did they ever follow up?
@@fakecubed not that I'm aware of.
Agreed. I was taught not to render first aid to someone you shoot in self defense. This is different from an Leo or military watch-stander where once you neutralize them as a threat, they are no longer a combatant and you become responsible for their care as a first responder. As a civilian, secure the scene, preserve evidence, call 911, but don’t aid the attacker.
I love having the ability to see both sides backed by logical arguements.
John,
It was jarring to hear them say this. I felt the same way as you about carrying a trauma first aid kit. I have them in my car, home, range bag, hiking backpack. I appreciate you responding to me and your value on life. Sorry if I was one of many letting you know about the Armed Attorneys video.
I am a physician and former EMT (in New York City). I agree with you wholeheartedly.
From a moral point of view you are correct. From an attorney’s point of view they are correct. And there lies the problem.
Perfectly explained John. Thanks for clearing this up.
Long ago, I was an EMT. Trauma happens. There’s a kit in a cargo pocket of my pants, NOT just because someone might get shot. My wife and I work in our wood lot with chainsaws, tractor, winches, logs. Injuries happen. As far as defense, it is never my desire to injure or kill. If I am forced to use my gun to STOP a deadly threat, and that person stops being a threat, there is no evil in trying to minimize his suffering and keep him alive to stand trial.
100%. It's simply being a responsible adult (or teen) to have such gear and training/knowledge if you're doing those things.
Agreed. 100%! I had the same thoughts when I saw the AA video. I'm not going to sacrifice my life or my family's life to make sure my attorney is comfortable with the case I hand them. As you said, if my attorney can't make the prosecution look like a fool for even bringing up that argument, then I have the wrong attorney.
100 percent agree with John's points. Plus, it is far more likely you'll need it for some non gun incident than for gunshot wounds, and i better have one
Stop the bleed is a national initiative to have more people carrying a tourniquet because they save lives
Thank you. The content on their channel is very good; almost always post incident based. The totality of the circumstances is what needs to be considered.
As a firefighter I always carry 2 battle dressings and a pair of gloves. They are compact and fit easily in pockets. I recently used them when I witnessed a man trip on the sidewalk and sustain a severe head wound. I was able to render immediate aid until first responders arrived. I always carry them.
In a recent Safety class, we were told that your Trauma Kit will be needed more often than not for a non-gunshot incident. As you said, someone goes through a plate glass window, or a bicycle vs automobile accident, or any number of other life-threatening traumas that happen in life - not related to firearms. If you can stop severe blood loss in the first 2-5 minutes before EMS gets there, you could be the one who saves a life. So go ahead and carry that ankle kit with you. The life you save may be your own.
I went to put in a similar comment as a fulltime doc at a trauma center, former Army medic and wilderness medicine guy. Chainsaws, plate glass, motorcycle and car crashes, the list is very long of non-gsw reasons to need a trauma medical kit; I hand them out as Christmas gifts to my friends. Love Emily and Richard's content, but agree with you that this is one area that I will not be following their legal advice
It blew my mind when the armed attorneys explained that by having a first aid kit I was giving prosecutors an opening into saying I was looking to kill someone if I were to be involved in a self defense shooting. Right or wrong, this issue even needing to be considered is a stunning rebuke of our legal system imo, we are beginning to mirror China where human life is to costly to preserve and it is simply better to ignore a dying man than to offer him aid simply because your liability for doing nothing is simply less. Disgusting, and any prosecutor who goes down that route should be shamed and shunned by colleagues, friends and family because they truly are despicable.
I have spent 39 years as a paramedic. I have trained all of my children, grandchildren and friends how to use a trauma kit. The thought of not being prepared for a medical emergency goes against everything I stand for.
I'm glad that you covered this one, I had to duct tape my head to keep it from exploding when watching their video. Great point that they put out hundreds of videos, everyone gets things wrong sometimes and different people may look at the same subject under different light.
Now, you're all busy people and I imagine that the logistics would be nearly insurmountable but I'd be interested in seeing y'all together and discussing the topic.
I emailed them and they’ll be at SHOT Show this year. Hopefully we can find time to get together during the show and maybe make some content!
@@ASPextra 🙏 please please please do
You wouldn't need duct tape if you had a compression bandage in a med kit 😉
@@kerbalairforce8802 you beat me to it by a minute! 😄
Thanks John for the professional response to their video.
I was a combat medic in Nam and I’ve been in a gunfight when I was a cop. In the aftermath of the gunfight I was numb, wondering if that really just happened and if I was alright. In both of my cases EMTs were staged at the scene and provided aid to the guy I shot. Could I have done it myself, even w/my level of combat experience? I’m not sure to be quite truthful.
Another reason that rendering aid would be unwise, for sure. Glad you came out okay!
I felt like the Armed Attorneys were trying to say that those who carry/train medical are going to be viewed like those who have punisher skulls on their magazines in court.
While I hate the saying “better to be judged by 12 than carried by 6,” I would rather do my best to preserve life and deal with the “consequences” later. Great video as always, John!
Loved this video. When I saw their video I had to constantly remind myself they are supposedly Pro 2A and also had to remember they were former prosecutors (which was the thinking they portrayed throughout the majority of the video). If they are Pro 2A and in the role of a defense attorney they better than anyone should understand the validity of having a IFAK. Also, if I can do nothing right in the eyes of the prosecutor…taking a criminals/douche bags life is at the top of my problems and having a IFAK on me is at the bottom of the totem pole. A prosecutor could also ask why do have a red dot, compressor, etc. As the young guns would say “they reached” with that one. Wouldn’t want them representing me at all.
John this video is absolutely GOLD thank you so much!!!!
Excellent reasoning re: why you don't approach the downed attacker after the fight -- they can still be very dangerous and you have no team to back you up.
My reasoning for carrying an IFAK is for my/my peoples possible injuries, or for any bystanders that took injuries, or even for fellow gun-range users injured by a negligent discharge.
Can't thank you enough, John!
Yeah, don't be messing around with the body at all, they'll claim you were trying to destroy or plant evidence or something. Get away from it, and hope that they won't survive to lie about you in court someday.
Thank you for making this video! I was hoping you were going to, and I'm glad that you did!
Missing in both these videos is the fact that a trauma kit is going to be used 9 times out of 10 for something other than a self defense event. Car accidents, falling off a ladder, someone slipped with a kitchen knife, etc. are all things we have done or know someone who has done. Bullets aren't the only things that cause leaks in us, not even close to a leading cause. Folks need to take a look at their actual lives and not be so myopic around firearms. They're important yes, but there's a lot more to real life than gun fights. Even most gun owners probably put more gallons of gas thru their vehicles than they do rounds thru a firearm. We need to be ready and AWARE for all life threatening hazards, not just our fantasy heroic ones with guns.
It was completely irresponsible for the Armed Attorneys to even title a video with a suggestion to not carry lifesaving basics. They're supposed to be given advice to gun carrying citizens in the real world, not suggest you do something that would make their lives easier in the courtroom.
I keep an IFAK with my vehicle, motorcycle, chainsaw gear, and the backpack that comes with me on adventures. We should all be looking for places to stash them that make sense for our lives and taking annual first aid courses, minimum.
I'm willing to bet that the girlfriend of the young man who stopped that mall shooting last summer, who was rendering first aid afterwards, would have been very happy to have had an IFAK. Maybe fewer people would have died if there were a few of them in the crowd that day.
I'm touching on this topic in my response. Great comment.
As a first responder you have the right to decide whether to treat someone or not !🆘🆘
My goal is not primarily to make my lawyers job easier. my goal in a defensive force situation is to end it with as little loss of life as necessary. A trauma kit assists that. let the lawyer do their job, you do yours.
I do think that if you act in good, sane, sober, moral, prudent ways it will make your attorney’s life a lot easier. :)
@Active Self Protection Extra of course, but people should not feel pressured to act in a way that might hinder the saving of any life due to fear of being prosecuted. If I shoot someone and I can see they are no longer a threat, if I have the means I would absolutely try to save their life.
Awesome rebuttal to Armed Attorney’s. I believe you have the best argument relating to this subject. Keep up the solid work!
Much appreciated
Jamming someone up for having a first aid kit, saying they sought out the encounter, would be like calling someone an arsonist because they had a fire extinguisher and used it to put out a fire.
Don’t carry a trama kit. Make the bad guys guys carry a trama kit for you.
Carry a Trauma Kit but give the criminals work related injuries😉😆
@@R.Sole88109 LOL
In Russia trauma kit carries you.
This is crazy...I carry a trauma kit with me always, even when I am not carrying a firearm, because I want to be able to help my students, be a good Samaritan, and have the equipment necessary to save a life. She can "honestly believe" all she wants but she is on crack if she thinks its a bad idea to carry a kit. Just bizarre.
I’ll trust the lawyers with hours and years of trial experience, but thanks, John.
Your call but how do you reconcile that with the idea of watching a loved one or you yourself bleeding to death?
Thank you. I had just watched the video from Armed Attorneys and your video makes more sense and resonates with me much more on this topic.
Glad it was helpful!
A good prosecutor will take advantage of any and All situations. Whether it's because you carry a firearm for personal protection, or anything that may render aid to yourself or others. You are responsible for your actions. A good prosecutor will twist that to fit there own needs.
Oh boy. LOL I saw theirs and figured you would have something to say! :)
You both are Right. It's really that simple..
2 things can be true, as the saying goes..
I’m glad you responded to this. 👏🏻
I'm with you on this John. I think any good, sane, sober, moral, prudent person should carry an emergency med kit on their person.
Thanks for a level headed, rational response to their video, John. I have known Richard and his family for many years and can assure you he's a great guy. I also really like their youtube channel, but I definitely agree with you on this one.
I got to meet him and Emily at SHOT Show this week. Seem like great people, both!
The ammount of stuff we "should" EDC would make us all look like prison guards with riot gear on.
I made similar comments on their video when I saw it. Ultimately, each person has their own "why" for any given habit/posture they have. My wife and I both have get-home bags in our vehicles, that include their own med kits. However, in many situations I just feel it's prudent to have a smaller ankle kit because I may not be near my vehicle when a tragedy happens. It wouldn't matter if it was a self-defense situation. Speaking as one who is carrying concealed everywhere I'm legally allowed, I never want to be in a situation where I might have to use deadly force. But I don't get to choose if someone will be threatening my life. If it comes to it, I'll do what I need to in order to end the threat. Ending the threat doesn't automatically mean ending their life. As you pointed out, IF the threat is neutralized and IF I believe it's safe to do so, I don't believe there's anything condemning about rendering aid to even the perpetrator in order to preserve life.
John made a better argument than the lawyers
Can you have a discussion with Terry Johnson or Massad about this specific topic? I love their input and it's been awhile since seeing Terry.
The thing is the laws are designed to protect the criminals not the law abiding citizen and prosecutors and defence lawyers will anything they can to make life hard for you in court. Meanwhile the criminals get legal aid and everything, this is in Australia
As soon as I saw that video, I knew John would have something to say regarding trauma kits. Thanks for replying John!
YES! You nailed it. PLEASE carry your IFAK and know how to use it! Go get training... make it a priority!
I'm so glad you made this video response. They really did miss it on this one. We cannot live in such fear of public opinion that we limit our own ability to save our lives or the lives of others. At the end of the day, we have a legal right to defend life and having or not having a trauma kit doesn't change whether or not a self defense shooting was good and just with good judgment used. We don't have a legal obligation to render first aid to an attacker and whether or not you do, or whether or not you exercise first aid fast enough to save the attackers life doesn't change whether or not you properly and legally used force to defend yourself or another person. Statistically speaking, you're more likely to encounter a life saving critical emergency where an ifak must be used than you are to experience a self defense encounter. Everyone who can carry and train to use trauma medical equipment should and owes it to themselves and to society to do so.
Thanks for the videos John. I like hearing both sides of this topic so I can make a better-informed decision for myself.
I’m sorry but I’ll be making that decision for you.
Great rebuttal to TAA’s video. I watched that video when they released it and thought to myself, no way that I won’t carry an IFAK or Trauma Kit at all times!!!
I saw their video title and knew right away what they were going to say and knew you would have a retort that would soundly defeat them.
Thanks John, I watch both you and armed attorneys everyday. I also carry a trauma kit. I appreciate your quick response and pointing out their purpose in their argument as well as yours. Thanks for all you do. Lastly thank you for not tearing them down, but respecting their position…you are a good man.
They do good work. Everyone fouls one off into the stands from time to time. :)
@@ASPextra well, they may argue it was on the line, but theirs is after the battle, if I was ever in a battle, or witnessed one, or any trauma, I want my kit!
I would like not to die if I'm shot or stabbed by an attacker.
16:10 this sums up the entire thing perfectly, IMO. Prosecutor is going to give you hell no matter what. I’d rather have my kit.
Well presented giving credit where credit is do. Gracious and accurate.
110% my bro. Watched that video yesterday and said to myself... rather be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
I got nothing but crickets on the live chat for the AA video in question when I said ASP was going to rebuttal before the video even dropped, lol
I've been in Fire/EMS since 2010, became a Paramedic in 2014, and have been a SWAT Medic since 2017. I teach Stop the Bleed and trauma medical to law enforcement agencies throughout my area. I agree with John 100%. The only thing I expected John to say & didn't hear was him beating the training drum. That being said, I feel very confident that, in addition to the points he has made in this response video, as he says in many many of his main channel videos, he would say, GET TRAINING. Carrying this equipment is not enough, you must:
1. Know how to use it
2. Physically train with it to become proficient in its use until such time as it has become an unconscious competency
Tourniquets in particular are critical medical that every Concealed Carrier should always have on their person. You can bleed to DEATH in as little as 3 minutes from a severe traumatic extremity wound but you can bleed out enough to lose your ability to physically remain in the fight (combat effective) in as little as 30 SECONDS! THAT is the reason you must seek out training in how to identify severe extremity hemorrhage, what equipment is needed to treat it, and physically applying that knowledge in a repetitive manner until you have myelinated the skill into your brain. Begin with a Stop the Bleed class, they are FREE & are a great starting point. Great videos John, keep up the good work!
Great video!! I am late seeing your response (am now a subscriber) but it is spot on!! When I watched the AA video a few months ago (I like their channel, BTW) I was dumbfounded by their advice. I am a lawyer (not criminal defense) and sent the AA video to several lawyer friends who were equally bewildered by the discussion on their video. It seemed that they were having a law school "every possible what if" hypothetical discussion instead of giving sound advice. As another commenter stated, I hope you got a chance at ShotShow to catch up with them and plan a joint follow up commentary.
you're 100% correct. first aid is for yourself and innocent people, not bad guys. bad guys are on their own.
If God forbid I was ever in need of legal representation I want YOU, John, on my team as an expert in the field. Good explanation.
When I decided to start carrying one, five years ago, I was looking for the most convenient way to carry/store my kit. I looked at either range bag configurations, to back packs, to a dedicated trauma pouch. But what I found worked best, not only in or with gear, but in every day use, is a fanny pack. One clip and I can give it to who needs it. It's right under the plate carrier but above the belt to not be in the way. Always readily accessible. It's the 35L from outdoor gear
Edit: plus you can wear the fanny pack everyday with you when you go out, and you just look weird for using a fanny pack. Or you can clip it on the headrest in your car
I wish it was normal for guys to carry things like a fanny pack
@@jth_printed_designs you need a bag that looks like an insulin pump bag.
The standard of care for a professional prehospital medical care from EMT/Paramedic if the scene is unsafe or their is a danger to you, you are not compelled or required to provide care under duty to help. Same applies to any Good Samaritan, if you are involved in a violent encounter where someone or some people wish to do you harm you can not be held liable for failing to act. Regardless of what training you have or gear you have on you or even if you are in uniform.
I have an ankle kit on me at all times. Just the basics to stop the bleed. I have an expanded kit in the truck but if I'm away from the truck I do not want to waste time retrieving it.
Thanks John for your rebuttal of this subject. My trauma kit is only for myself and victims not the one who created the situation. Plus the police handcuff the subject before giving.first aid.You are much more likely to use your kit for car accidents than a shooting.
Spot on John! I couldn’t imagine ditching my medical gear.. ankle medical kit is on me everyday and separate med kit for when I’m hunting ( ankle kit doesn’t work with tall boots). I have a bleeding disorder so I would say I have a bigger excuse than others to have one but everyone bleeds so everyone should be able to stop it. Thanks for the great videos!
All bleeding stops.
If you literally eviscerate your prosecutor in court, make sure you have your trauma kit handy!
Always important to hear all points of view. Knowledge is power.
John is bringing back the mosses beard! Gotta love it!
I saw their video yesterday and right away knew you were going to respond😂