I’ve owned a Honda CB 750-4 and a Honda Magna 750-4. I burned my legs so many times on the pipes of the CB 750 I started to hate it. Loved the narrower Magna. Performance was comparable after jetting the carbs on the Magna. It was a smaller bike but I liked it better.
Man I hate to choose one, I like the growly V4, but then the Inline 4 reminds me of the F1 V10's and V8's, personally I'd choose the I4 because of that screaming high pitch sound but I can also respect someone loving the V4 sound more
Even within inline 4 category, a flat-plane screamer and cross-plane are totally different, either in their distinctive tune during high revs or their traction approach caused by firing-sequence. Generally speaking, a CP inline 4 performs and sounds like a middle point between regular inline 4 and V4
@@rodrozil6544i own yamaha MT10. Its not predictable. Power delivery is not smooth also torque. Very Different from a flatplane crank. I used to own z1000. Its boring.
The Yamaha R1's firing order is identical to a 180° crank V4, such as a Honda VFR800. If you listen to the two bikes, you can hear they actually sound very similar. It's all trade-offs, though. You gain the benefits of ease of service and cost from a L4 as well as the odd firing order of a V4. You give up the narrow body of a V4 and add complexity to the design of an L4 to balance the unevenness of a cross-plane crank and the additional stress from an uneven firing order. It's certainly a good compromise to get many of the advantages of a V4 in a more affordable package, but I believe a proper V4 is better if cost is no object.
Great topic! I have owned many inline fours from 400cc to 1000cc. Reliability and ease of maintenance are a plus. Power on my Z1000, R1 and Honda CB1000R were great and then I bought a Aprilia V4. Oh my god the torque was insane, and the sound was like a moto gp bike. I did have issues withe valves and maintenance, but the absolute power was worth it. The Italian V4, in my opinion will never run as many miles as a Japanese in line four. I put over 80,000 miles on my Honda inline 400 and then sold it. 40,000 on my Honda CB1000R then sold it and it ran like a top. On and on about in line fours I have owned. After 35 years and 15 motorcycles i now ride an Aprilia 660. To me for the street it is the perfect balance of power and handling. My crew all ride 600-1000cc inlines and on the canyons this is all I need. Finally it is an Italian bike and when the warranty is up I will trade it in for a new one because I love it so much, but I don't trust it passed 12,000 miles (at least the way I ride it).
Hi mike new high hp engines have such tight tolerances you MUST do that 1st 600 mile oil change and valve adjustments ect .. Do that and new bikes will last longer than the old bikes . Its not the brand its the fact you own a bike with a race engine .
Not at all. If you want to ride a superbike on the street, the v4 engine is better because it kicks in sooner, has more grunt, and doesn't make you want to rev the hell out of it. The V4 produces power very violently, making it difficult for the average rider to get confidence and lap faster, whereas the I4 is much smoother and more stable, making it much easier to control and predict how the engine and the bike will behave. I used to own a 2017 ZX10RR, and this thing is a nightmare on the street, with power that kicks in way too high in rpm and is overall torture to ride, but on the track it's perfect, very foolproof and so complimenting. Now I own an RSV4 1100 and I prefer it on the street, so overall I am having more fun riding it. The engine is more flexible, but it's harder to ride on the track, and my lap times were 1-2 seconds faster on the ZX10RR.
@@Fearless154 "The V4 produces power very violently, making it difficult for the average rider to get confidence..." - I'm not sure if this is the best option for an average driver that wants to drive open streets 🤔
@@KeithFlint350 You clearly don't understand what I'm saying. There is a big difference between trying to do your best lap and casually riding on the street. Everyone can ride a superbike on the street if you are not an idiot, but it's a different story trying to do your best lap time. I guess you know what you're up against when you get a superbike for the street. So mat as well, it'll be torquey and not require you to rev the heck out of it. Just like Mt10 is much more violent than R1 at lower revs, that's why it's more fun as a street bike, because you don't need to rev to 10k to get enough power. When you're at your absolute limit on the track, excessive power delivery causes you to skid and slide, causing you to lose confidence and ride slower. The best and fastest track bikes are those that are easy to ride, not those with the most power.
@@orionmobile6545 Those are the words of someone who has never ridden a Panigale V4. You can't even compare those bikes. Everything on the ZX10R is significantly worse, from build quality to suspension, brakes, electronics, engine, weight, and aerodynamics. The Zx10r is at the bottom of a tier list in stock form compared to other bikes, let alone can rival top tier bikes in class like the Panigale.
I love the comparison between the two engines. I would love to have both if I could afford it but I'd have to stick with the inline 4. Ever since I was a little kid, the inline 4 has been my favorite. The high ass RPM makes the bike seem faster imo. It also reminds me of the good old days of Formula 1 when they had high revving V10s and V8s.
An R1's CP4 engine is probably best here... Smooth and reliable like flat plane inline 4 engines... But it's cross plane nature aounds and provides confidence through corners like a V4 engine...sounds even better than V4 though... everyone has their own perspective.
among the 4 japanese superbike's inline 4 engines the only one that does feature something that actually gives aid to smoothness of delivery and power/torque is the gsxr with the continious cam variable technology, as sold to the public crossplane engines, in the R1 and mt10 do not offer anything in that regard that a straight, run of the mill equivalent engine in the honda and kawi does not. Oh, and I do not have a horse in this "fight", I always though suzuki do not merit any word of consideration apart from "good deal for the money, but ugly AF". How it sounds? yeah maybe, that's subjective, always thought that the mt 07 sounded like a can of bees stuck in a box, hunky and unpleasent, and everyone and their dog seem to like it, delivery of power was better than the equivalent 650 from kawasaki though.
Yes they do. Crossplane engines offer fewer power pulses per rotation of the rear tire. This allows more grip when on your exit. Dirt bikes (single cylinder) have only 1 power pulse for a reason You could argue that the general public will never use the full potential of the R1 to even receive the benefit of the crossplane, and that I agree with you on. The Crossplane is dying though. Yamaha is the only crossplane engine in MotoGP, and they haven't won a single MotoGP race in over a year. There was only one crossplane engine in the Isle of Man's top 20 racers, and now that rider has switched to Honda. I think the only reason the Yamaha still uses the crossplane in competition is because if they stopped, the engine would lose it's magic, and consumers wouldn't want to buy one anymore. They've dug themselves a hole now. @@VittorioSergi
Honda won many championship starting in 1983 with the VF750 them with the VFR750F, RC30,RC45 and RC213 even the 2 strokes NSR500 were V4's Give some credit to the originators and not the copycats who are given concessions.
My first v4 was a VF 700. Everyone said it sounded like a lawn mower. And it did. Even with the aftermarket cans with fresh fiber glass in it. The Ducati in motion sounded similar. At idle it was impressive.
The crossplane crank consist of 360°,90°,180°, and 270° to form a cross..not 270° alone.. 270° crank only applies to parallel twin engine configuration.
Agree. The 270 degree twin is also called an L engine. If you look at the crank from the side, the 4 cylinder engine's crank pins form a cross, the twin's form something like an L.
I had a Honda vfr 800 with a v4 vtech. Best bike I ever had. There's just power at every rpm from idle all the way to the red line. The distinctive sound of the v4 mixed with the sound change of a vtech and the power delivery of that engine felt really unique
Greeat bike. People saying i4 have clearly NEVER owned or even ridden a v4. No comparison. This video is i4 biased, probably never ridden a v4. I like his content though.
@@boogiewoogit5597agreed the comparison wasn’t that fair. I wish they had a proper v4 in there to compare. My VFR800 sounds better than most of these examples of I4’s
V4 is love ☺️❤ best engine 😘 it accelerates like a V2 and has a top speed like I4 😚🤤 Sounds soo good with the dry clutch that I can't explain in words 😋
After all these of having Japanese bikes i picked up an Older Aprilia rsv mille r and by God i thought the growl was amazing as well. Fortunately it's one of the more reliable ones and it's definitely different to ride. Absolutely loving it. It does so sound like a tiger though
I have a 1998 Gen 5 Honda VFR, VFR stands for V Four Racing, also one of the few bikes with gear driven cams. The whine you hear beats pretty much any engine noise in my opinion, ;)
The Ducati Streetfighter V4 doesn’t get hot at all, I can’t speak for the panigale, but the V2 gets so hot it’s painful to ride. The V4’s are also pretty dang reliable and are super smooth compared to most ducati twins.
I rode my friends 92 VFR400. It was dope. The power felt similar like inline 4 600cc. But it was more expensive to maintain and was impractical for day to day commuter
@@valegrazie4659 how many v4 motorcycles were sold before Ducati started selling v4's? Thousands. There was a time a VFR was at every corner. Where do you see a V4 Ducati now? Occasionally you see one, true. But where you see a shit ton of them is om fukctube. You need to go out on the road, not live on the digital avenue.
In my opinion for a street bike (not a track one) the best is an inline. Its more affordable more reliable and i love the high rev sound. Guys like me that we like to make these bikes to go a step further (tuning) is more fun than anything else (but we lose the reliability thing unfortunately). You cant tune a European bike because its hard, partr are limited and the bike is already at its pinnacle form. So for me the choice is the red sun. Busaboy for ever😂
Even though ducati was my dream bike i had to choose kawasaki over ducati because of how good overall package it was overall! Sound of japanese inline 4 over any engine any day, smoother engine , better reliability, cheaper service, cheaper spare and aftermarket parts, significantly cheaper price of whole bike compared to ducati! One day i will definitely get a ducati.
Nicely produced video! Gonna add my two cents. I personally think the background music is just a very litlle too loud. You explain niceley and got the right footage prepared. Thank you for your effort! Subbed
You have to hear it in real life, the V4 V2 engines rumble the ground, there’s a different weight to them, and the rev matching downshifts hit different
@@MisterShifterYT Yamaha going to the great expense of making a V4 for MotoGP racing is not going to sell one more scooter. Or sell one more beginner motorbike, or cruiser, or adventure bike, or touring bike, or dirt bike, or farm bike, or ATV, or generator, or outboard, or any of the many other products they make in much larger quantities than 1,000cc crotch rockets. Your outboard motor or farm bike customer has never heard of MotoGP, let alone be persuaded by its advertising. All he/she knows is that her neighbour or friend has a Yamaha, and it's been superb. Besides, Yamaha has nothing to prove anymore by racing. Everybody knows they make excellent products. They sell by word of mouth. The best and cheapest advertising there is. Yamaha is a household recognized name - like Rolls Royce or Rolex. They don't need to advertise. And sports bike customers are brand loyal. No Honda fanatic is going to switch over to a Yamaha V4 M1- because it's a V4. Just as no loyal Suzuki rider is going to switch over to a Ducati. And even if they do, the market is so small - who cares. Your average Yamaha dealer probably sells six R1's per year if he is lucky - and makes no money on those sales. And that market segment is doomed and dying anyway - unless you are Ducati with older big bucks customers. What 25-year-old is going to be able to afford, let alone insure, a 1,000cc, 180mph superbike? As for marketing. How are you going to be able to sell R1's when you make a V4 for racing, but don't have a matching production V4 superbike to sell? It's a non-starter. Kawasaki and Suzuki know that the ROI (Return on Investment) in MotoGP is negative. And their sales and their Company profitably will not be affected one iota by dropping out of MotoGP. And nowadays a new road bike engine can be developed far more cheaply in the laboratory with computers. Racing is an extremely expensive and inefficient test bed for road bike engine R&D. This fan would not be surprised if Honda and Yamaha follow Suzuki and throw in the towel on MotoGP in the next few years.
Id like to just chime in based on the cultural differences of Japan and Germany. Japan being a bit more simplistic. Things being very practical. Everything has a purpose. No crazy excess. And then German stuff.... Ridiculously complex although well engineered and designed. Generally costlier and designed to be more luxurious. I'll always be a Yamaha fanboi at heart. But I do love me some proper BMW or Ducati motorbikes.
I have the best of both worlds with a 2014 Honda CB1100 (1,140cc) inline DOHC four, and a 2010 Honda VFR 1200F (1,237cc) V4. The CB1100 is air cooled and incredibly vibration free. With it's mild state of tune and just 88 horsepower, it pulls strong from idle. The VFR has slight vibration near idle that quickly goes away beyond 3,000 RPM. The front two cylinders are the outboard cylinders on the crank, making the bike narrower where the riders legs are to the rear. It has unspeakable power of 170HP at the crank and 152HP at the rear wheel with shaft drive and revs to 10,200 redline.
Have you guys ever heard the sound of an inline 4 with a gear driven shaft instead of a timing chain? Good examples are Honda CB250f (Hornet) and the CBR 250 MC22. Those gears create a high pitch wine and sounds insanely good. Here's a good example : ruclips.net/video/jlMGBvsWHTw/видео.html
I’ll take the sound of my 03 YZF-R1 Flatplane Screamer alllll dayyy even though I came from a Ktm 950 SM & Aprilia RSV Mille lol (Rotax V-Twins), I do want that new L7 GSXR 1000 Because of that new Variable Valve Timing used from the GSX-RR MotoGp Bike, thing sounds nasty like new K67 BMW’s with there shift cam vvt🤩
I've owned an inline 4 hornet600, that sound is pure madness, but it will get tiresome pretty fast, my whole body was buzzing for two hours after I got home. I now ride a vfr1200x, love how it sounds, but I still miss the inline 4 sound sometimes.
My first V4 was a Honda V45 Magna a 750 cc same engine was on the Honda Interceptor. Now I still have a Yamaha VMax 1198cc both these bike so happen to be shaft drive. They run like hell .
I have both a 4 inline (Yamaha FZS 600 2002) and a V4 (Honda VFR800 VTEC). Yes, the V4 has more torque at low revs, but the 600cc inline 4 has nothing to envy to the V4 at higher revs. Moreover, at low revs (2000RPM) the V4 is very choppy and coughs under load, while the FZS600 is perfect. Anyway, the key point is that the sound of the inline 4 is a symphony, compared to the brutality of the V4. But ii is really a matter of tastes..
The reason why the company is not switching to v4 because of the production cost and aditional extra parts the v4 is better in terms of performance because narrower crankshaft less stress in friction, and ducati v4 and yamaha i4 crossplane sounds similar because the firing interval and the combustion is the 90,180,270,360, degree of the crankshaft spin position, and the aprilia v4 is same in the i4 flatplane 180,360 degree of the crankshaft spin position. If your have intel in mechanism it’s easy to understand. The thing that i want in every production superbikes is counter rotating crankshaft it will add extra production cost also because of the extra gearshaft, but it’s a must because it will give you extra control in agile and anti wheelie without reducing engine torque via electronics. Well ducati v4 and 800cc mv Augusta did it but those bikes are not on my wishlist because lacking of fuel gauge and cruise control.
OK, at 6:00 you say that 90° V engine has better primary balances than an inline four. Though I’m pretty sure a flat plane I4 is inherently the most balanced engine configuration period because you have 2 reciprocating pair of pistons that cancel each others forces and it’s only on one plane. Pretty sure a V anything needs counter weights on crankshaft to achieve any balance, which is the opposite of what you said. Care to correct me?
Your n=2 mode is off on flatplanes. Mine gets buzzy around 6000 rpm. Of course the argument is I shouldn't be revving that low in the first place 😉 The best natural balance is found in i6/V12 engines. I believe Honda made an i6 bike once. With equal length headers. Howls like an old F1 car! But yeh, those engines you can rev into oblivion without worrying that they'll shake themselves to bits. The only real limitations come from valvetrain etc.
There's definitely something special about the roar of a v4 engine, while it certainly combines power and smoothness, and as much as I admire the v4. I have to admit that my favorite is still the inline 4, nothing can match the thrill of a screaming inline 4 revving to its limit. That always will get my heart. 😁❤
Not to be mean, but I just think that it's so funny how this guy sounds like a foreign version of yammie noob😂😂👌 Great information, wonderful video!! Keep it up mate!🔥🔥🔥
I'm not really a crotch rocket kind of guy but I love raw horsepower and the sound of v4 engines so the perfect bike for me is my 2nd gen Vmax 1700. I'd love to throw a leg over a Diavel V4 someday too.
Anyone saying they want i4 probably hasn’t ridden a v4. No contest. Bummed Honda v4 options went away. Not even close, that’s my opinion and experience.
Both engines are more suited for the track. A V-twin, parallel twin, thumpers, and triples make better street engines because of their torque Honda’s cb/cbr650 is a street tuned I4 so their is one option It would be interesting to see a small-mid displacement v4 tuned for the street
Inline 4 just sounds better 4 me. I did enjoy all the video and the explanation. Many things I didnt know. But for me the inline 4 sound is something else!
I think the Ducati Panigale V4R is the fastest production bike on the market, it's 230 HP while the Kawi H2 was 200 HP. The H2R with its 320 hp doesn't count since it's not a road legal bike ...
I have a news flash here, Honda is a Japanese company and they have built V 4 engines for decades. BMW is European and they have built in line for engines for many years so your argument starts off conflicting.
Japanese use inline 4 because its cheaper to make .The v4 is a better engine design for racing . The inline 4 is now becoming obsolete because at the 300hp+ needed to be competitive the inline 4 crank is to long/heavy and yamaha/suzuki engines blowing up .
hahahahahha... jake is spewing his amateur bogus theories over all websites - "the inline 4 crank is to long/heavy and yamaha/suzuki engines blowing up". Pity its bovine excrement,
"inline" 4 ! Moving on TRANSVERSELY but not on a BMW K BRICK or even a old Henderson Fn Nimbus maybe a Rocket 3 no not the BSA one as MisterShifter may think it's a inline triple ?
a v4 sound is not practically a tiger growling, but an inline 2 engine with an open pipe exhaust. that's what it really sound like. dont add the tiger growling title to a boring 2 cylinder sounding v4 engine just to slap a high price to it.
Would you choose a V4 over an Inline 4?
CP4 ❤
@@akshayakumarbehera5840 facts
Inline 4
Both
I’ve owned a Honda CB 750-4 and a Honda Magna 750-4.
I burned my legs so many times on the pipes of the CB 750 I started to hate it.
Loved the narrower Magna.
Performance was comparable after jetting the carbs on the Magna.
It was a smaller bike but I liked it better.
I’d choose the inline 4. It’s too iconic of a sound for motorbikes and I just smile when I hear one flying by.
động cơ inline nghe vẫn phê hơn , tiếng hú uy lực
Straight up!!!!!
To each their own. The inline 4 sound like every other 4 banger car on the road to me. I can’t stand the high pitch fart can sound.
The sound of the Honda Interceptor v4 is pretty intoxicating as well
@@richardmann4006not even, you got it the other way round the v4 sounds like a lawnmower the inline 4 sounds like a race car
Man I hate to choose one, I like the growly V4, but then the Inline 4 reminds me of the F1 V10's and V8's, personally I'd choose the I4 because of that screaming high pitch sound but I can also respect someone loving the V4 sound more
Yes!
The v4 would remind me of a v8 not the inline4
@@bryson1992he’s talking about the f1 v8s which has a high pitch
Even within inline 4 category, a flat-plane screamer and cross-plane are totally different, either in their distinctive tune during high revs or their traction approach caused by firing-sequence. Generally speaking, a CP inline 4 performs and sounds like a middle point between regular inline 4 and V4
Oh wow never thought of that.
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CP also have flater torque curve
@@rodrozil6544i own yamaha MT10. Its not predictable. Power delivery is not smooth also torque. Very Different from a flatplane crank. I used to own z1000. Its boring.
The Yamaha R1's firing order is identical to a 180° crank V4, such as a Honda VFR800. If you listen to the two bikes, you can hear they actually sound very similar. It's all trade-offs, though. You gain the benefits of ease of service and cost from a L4 as well as the odd firing order of a V4. You give up the narrow body of a V4 and add complexity to the design of an L4 to balance the unevenness of a cross-plane crank and the additional stress from an uneven firing order. It's certainly a good compromise to get many of the advantages of a V4 in a more affordable package, but I believe a proper V4 is better if cost is no object.
Great topic! I have owned many inline fours from 400cc to 1000cc. Reliability and ease of maintenance are a plus. Power on my Z1000, R1 and Honda CB1000R were great and then I bought a Aprilia V4. Oh my god the torque was insane, and the sound was like a moto gp bike. I did have issues withe valves and maintenance, but the absolute power was worth it. The Italian V4, in my opinion will never run as many miles as a Japanese in line four. I put over 80,000 miles on my Honda inline 400 and then sold it. 40,000 on my Honda CB1000R then sold it and it ran like a top. On and on about in line fours I have owned. After 35 years and 15 motorcycles i now ride an Aprilia 660. To me for the street it is the perfect balance of power and handling. My crew all ride 600-1000cc inlines and on the canyons this is all I need. Finally it is an Italian bike and when the warranty is up I will trade it in for a new one because I love it so much, but I don't trust it passed 12,000 miles (at least the way I ride it).
Hi mike new high hp engines have such tight tolerances you MUST do that 1st 600 mile oil change and valve adjustments ect .. Do that and new bikes will last longer than the old bikes . Its not the brand its the fact you own a bike with a race engine .
Your blessed
My gsxr 600 blew engine and cbr1000rr consumed oil so japanese are not imune like people talk
To sum up: take V4 if you want to ride mainly on track, take Inline 4 if you want to use it daily on road
Not at all.
If you want to ride a superbike on the street, the v4 engine is better because it kicks in sooner, has more grunt, and doesn't make you want to rev the hell out of it.
The V4 produces power very violently, making it difficult for the average rider to get confidence and lap faster, whereas the I4 is much smoother and more stable, making it much easier to control and predict how the engine and the bike will behave.
I used to own a 2017 ZX10RR, and this thing is a nightmare on the street, with power that kicks in way too high in rpm and is overall torture to ride, but on the track it's perfect, very foolproof and so complimenting.
Now I own an RSV4 1100 and I prefer it on the street, so overall I am having more fun riding it. The engine is more flexible, but it's harder to ride on the track, and my lap times were 1-2 seconds faster on the ZX10RR.
@@Fearless154 "The V4 produces power very violently, making it difficult for the average rider to get confidence..." - I'm not sure if this is the best option for an average driver that wants to drive open streets 🤔
@@KeithFlint350
You clearly don't understand what I'm saying.
There is a big difference between trying to do your best lap and casually riding on the street. Everyone can ride a superbike on the street if you are not an idiot, but it's a different story trying to do your best lap time.
I guess you know what you're up against when you get a superbike for the street. So mat as well, it'll be torquey and not require you to rev the heck out of it.
Just like Mt10 is much more violent than R1 at lower revs, that's why it's more fun as a street bike, because you don't need to rev to 10k to get enough power.
When you're at your absolute limit on the track, excessive power delivery causes you to skid and slide, causing you to lose confidence and ride slower. The best and fastest track bikes are those that are easy to ride, not those with the most power.
@@Fearless154 zx10r is better than any Ducati
@@orionmobile6545
Those are the words of someone who has never ridden a Panigale V4.
You can't even compare those bikes. Everything on the ZX10R is significantly worse, from build quality to suspension, brakes, electronics, engine, weight, and aerodynamics.
The Zx10r is at the bottom of a tier list in stock form compared to other bikes, let alone can rival top tier bikes in class like the Panigale.
I love the comparison between the two engines. I would love to have both if I could afford it but I'd have to stick with the inline 4. Ever since I was a little kid, the inline 4 has been my favorite. The high ass RPM makes the bike seem faster imo. It also reminds me of the good old days of Formula 1 when they had high revving V10s and V8s.
7:17 THIS GAVE ME CHILLS. I'll always go with Inline over V4 anyday.
An R1's CP4 engine is probably best here... Smooth and reliable like flat plane inline 4 engines... But it's cross plane nature aounds and provides confidence through corners like a V4 engine...sounds even better than V4 though... everyone has their own perspective.
Actually the V4 Aprilia sounds better.
ruclips.net/video/q3WdxhXlLpc/видео.html
@Michael Bigdongovic it doesn't matter,if one is able to buy it then surely he won't care about repair cost
among the 4 japanese superbike's inline 4 engines the only one that does feature something that actually gives aid to smoothness of delivery and power/torque is the gsxr with the continious cam variable technology, as sold to the public crossplane engines, in the R1 and mt10 do not offer anything in that regard that a straight, run of the mill equivalent engine in the honda and kawi does not.
Oh, and I do not have a horse in this "fight", I always though suzuki do not merit any word of consideration apart from "good deal for the money, but ugly AF".
How it sounds? yeah maybe, that's subjective, always thought that the mt 07 sounded like a can of bees stuck in a box, hunky and unpleasent, and everyone and their dog seem to like it, delivery of power was better than the equivalent 650 from kawasaki though.
Yes they do. Crossplane engines offer fewer power pulses per rotation of the rear tire. This allows more grip when on your exit. Dirt bikes (single cylinder) have only 1 power pulse for a reason
You could argue that the general public will never use the full potential of the R1 to even receive the benefit of the crossplane, and that I agree with you on.
The Crossplane is dying though. Yamaha is the only crossplane engine in MotoGP, and they haven't won a single MotoGP race in over a year. There was only one crossplane engine in the Isle of Man's top 20 racers, and now that rider has switched to Honda. I think the only reason the Yamaha still uses the crossplane in competition is because if they stopped, the engine would lose it's magic, and consumers wouldn't want to buy one anymore. They've dug themselves a hole now. @@VittorioSergi
Honda won many championship starting in 1983 with the VF750 them with the VFR750F, RC30,RC45 and RC213 even the 2 strokes NSR500 were V4's Give some credit to the originators and not the copycats who are given concessions.
My first v4 was a VF 700. Everyone said it sounded like a lawn mower. And it did. Even with the aftermarket cans with fresh fiber glass in it. The Ducati in motion sounded similar. At idle it was impressive.
you forgot to mention that I4s add more weight to the front which makes them better to throw into corners.
The crossplane crank consist of 360°,90°,180°, and 270° to form a cross..not 270° alone.. 270° crank only applies to parallel twin engine configuration.
Huh. Since both are offset 90 degrees at each cylinder, I always took crossplane to mean going "across" the flatplane axis
Agree. The 270 degree twin is also called an L engine.
If you look at the crank from the side, the 4 cylinder engine's crank pins form a cross, the twin's form something like an L.
I'll take the flat plane F1-like scream over the buzzy sound of the cross plane any day.
Same here👍
Yamaha fanboy here , I HATE the way cross plane engine sounds. Those intellectuals who say otherwise are just satisfying themselves.
Just love the crossplane sound
Crossplane still 🖤
It's called roar n buzzy but scream sounds better than roar since u r gay i bet😄
I had a Honda vfr 800 with a v4 vtech. Best bike I ever had. There's just power at every rpm from idle all the way to the red line. The distinctive sound of the v4 mixed with the sound change of a vtech and the power delivery of that engine felt really unique
You bring back memories for me. 1998 Honda VFR 800 was my first street bike. It rode great and sounded so sweet with the Vance and Hines full exhaust.
Greeat bike. People saying i4 have clearly NEVER owned or even ridden a v4. No comparison. This video is i4 biased, probably never ridden a v4. I like his content though.
@@boogiewoogit5597agreed the comparison wasn’t that fair. I wish they had a proper v4 in there to compare. My VFR800 sounds better than most of these examples of I4’s
I still think the R6 and R1 has the most sexiest noise ever; with the right exhaust system in play.
That explains why they are a music company too
V4 is love ☺️❤ best engine 😘 it accelerates like a V2 and has a top speed like I4 😚🤤
Sounds soo good with the dry clutch that I can't explain in words 😋
Ever heard the sound of Kawasaki
After all these of having Japanese bikes i picked up an Older Aprilia rsv mille r and by God i thought the growl was amazing as well. Fortunately it's one of the more reliable ones and it's definitely different to ride. Absolutely loving it.
It does so sound like a tiger though
I have a 1998 Gen 5 Honda VFR, VFR stands for V Four Racing, also one of the few bikes with gear driven cams. The whine you hear beats pretty much any engine noise in my opinion, ;)
Ive always been on inline 4. For s1000rr owner.
But lately I've been wanting a v4 for a change. Its a tough choice ro make.
Hehe i love all bikes.
It would’ve been nice to hear the two engines designs side by side.
Inline 4 scream sounds perfect to me
V4 engine performance can't be matched! But I would still choose the in-line 4 engine, the sound that a in-line 4 engine makes is second to none.
The Ducati Streetfighter V4 doesn’t get hot at all, I can’t speak for the panigale, but the V2 gets so hot it’s painful to ride. The V4’s are also pretty dang reliable and are super smooth compared to most ducati twins.
I think the streetfighter and newer v4s turn off the back 2 at idle. The older ones didnt have the nicname chestnut roaster for no reason.
For me it's the V4. Back when VFR /MVX hits the market but I bought 94 ZXR750 instead cuz of power (was 21 back then)
I rode my friends 92 VFR400. It was dope. The power felt similar like inline 4 600cc. But it was more expensive to maintain and was impractical for day to day commuter
Have a 2018 R1 and absolutely love it
Maan you should have put an Aprilia in the V4 sound example. Ducati's sound like an old tractor compared to Aprilias
V4 gained popularity with the Italians!
Really?
VFR and V-max ring any bells in your head?
Pan-European maybe?
I mean yeah, but it became mainstream after Ducati introduced it to their motorcycles
@@valegrazie4659 how many v4 motorcycles were sold before Ducati started selling v4's?
Thousands.
There was a time a VFR was at every corner. Where do you see a V4 Ducati now? Occasionally you see one, true. But where you see a shit ton of them is om fukctube. You need to go out on the road, not live on the digital avenue.
@@zefautino I have a vfr750 love it.
For Ducati, which is known for its 90 degree V twins, to build an inline four would be inconceivable.
In my opinion for a street bike (not a track one) the best is an inline. Its more affordable more reliable and i love the high rev sound. Guys like me that we like to make these bikes to go a step further (tuning) is more fun than anything else (but we lose the reliability thing unfortunately). You cant tune a European bike because its hard, partr are limited and the bike is already at its pinnacle form. So for me the choice is the red sun. Busaboy for ever😂
Even though ducati was my dream bike i had to choose kawasaki over ducati because of how good overall package it was overall! Sound of japanese inline 4 over any engine any day, smoother engine , better reliability, cheaper service, cheaper spare and aftermarket parts, significantly cheaper price of whole bike compared to ducati! One day i will definitely get a ducati.
You should.
Nicely produced video! Gonna add my two cents. I personally think the background music is just a very litlle too loud. You explain niceley and got the right footage prepared.
Thank you for your effort! Subbed
Thanks for the tips man!
V4 sounds like close to just twin cylinder,(even the sound of the xsr700 is better than the V4).But inline4 & inline3 are still EarGasmic to hear.
Listen to the rsv4
The ducati v4 purposely is made to sound more like a 2 cyl
You have to hear it in real life, the V4 V2 engines rumble the ground, there’s a different weight to them, and the rev matching downshifts hit different
Inline 4 sound trash boring as fuck
You forgot to mention the Yamaha V Max. muscle bike. it may not be in racing, but was a street monster that owned the category for 15 years.
well made video, very thorough and informative. I will be continuing to watch your channel for sure. keep em coming
The scream on the inline 4 always! Isle of Man TT envy…😊
Just came across this video,your videos are amazing and precisely researched content
Love the compliment man!!! Thank youu ^^
@@MisterShifterYT Yamaha going to the great expense of making a V4 for MotoGP racing is not going to sell one more scooter. Or sell one more beginner motorbike, or cruiser, or adventure bike, or touring bike, or dirt bike, or farm bike, or ATV, or generator, or outboard, or any of the many other products they make in much larger quantities than 1,000cc crotch rockets.
Your outboard motor or farm bike customer has never heard of MotoGP, let alone be persuaded by its advertising. All he/she knows is that her neighbour or friend has a Yamaha, and it's been superb. Besides, Yamaha has nothing to prove anymore by racing. Everybody knows they make excellent products. They sell by word of mouth. The best and cheapest advertising there is. Yamaha is a household recognized name - like Rolls Royce or Rolex. They don't need to advertise.
And sports bike customers are brand loyal. No Honda fanatic is going to switch over to a Yamaha V4 M1- because it's a V4. Just as no loyal Suzuki rider is going to switch over to a Ducati. And even if they do, the market is so small - who cares. Your average Yamaha dealer probably sells six R1's per year if he is lucky - and makes no money on those sales. And that market segment is doomed and dying anyway - unless you are Ducati with older big bucks customers. What 25-year-old is going to be able to afford, let alone insure, a 1,000cc, 180mph superbike?
As for marketing. How are you going to be able to sell R1's when you make a V4 for racing, but don't have a matching production V4 superbike to sell? It's a non-starter. Kawasaki and Suzuki know that the ROI (Return on Investment) in MotoGP is negative. And their sales and their Company profitably will not be affected one iota by dropping out of MotoGP. And nowadays a new road bike engine can be developed far more cheaply in the laboratory with computers. Racing is an extremely expensive and inefficient test bed for road bike engine R&D.
This fan would not be surprised if Honda and Yamaha follow Suzuki and throw in the towel on MotoGP in the next few years.
Id like to just chime in based on the cultural differences of Japan and Germany.
Japan being a bit more simplistic. Things being very practical. Everything has a purpose. No crazy excess.
And then German stuff.... Ridiculously complex although well engineered and designed. Generally costlier and designed to be more luxurious.
I'll always be a Yamaha fanboi at heart. But I do love me some proper BMW or Ducati motorbikes.
What are you talking about? Exactly what have to do Germany with aprilia and ducati v4 and Japanese 4inline engine's
Have more than 1 bike.
Love this video. And the growl of those cross plane engines
I have the best of both worlds with a 2014 Honda CB1100 (1,140cc) inline DOHC four, and a 2010 Honda VFR 1200F (1,237cc) V4. The CB1100 is air cooled and incredibly vibration free. With it's mild state of tune and just 88 horsepower, it pulls strong from idle. The VFR has slight vibration near idle that quickly goes away beyond 3,000 RPM. The front two cylinders are the outboard cylinders on the crank, making the bike narrower where the riders legs are to the rear. It has unspeakable power of 170HP at the crank and 152HP at the rear wheel with shaft drive and revs to 10,200 redline.
Got to be V4 for me.though i might be biased.as i own a 5th gen vfr 800 and 7th gen vfr 800. Love the sound these engines make.
As a former vfr750 and a current vmax 1200 owner you can see where my heart falls in this choice 😁
Very interesting. But I love my Daytona 955i triple. Redline 11,500 and tons of power in a broad range.
I’ve had 2 V4s and 2 inline 4s. I loved all of them.
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Have you guys ever heard the sound of an inline 4 with a gear driven shaft instead of a timing chain? Good examples are Honda CB250f (Hornet) and the CBR 250 MC22. Those gears create a high pitch wine and sounds insanely good. Here's a good example :
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I’ll take the sound of my 03 YZF-R1 Flatplane Screamer alllll dayyy even though I came from a Ktm 950 SM & Aprilia RSV Mille lol (Rotax V-Twins), I do want that new L7 GSXR 1000 Because of that new Variable Valve Timing used from the GSX-RR MotoGp Bike, thing sounds nasty like new K67 BMW’s with there shift cam vvt🤩
I've owned an inline 4 hornet600, that sound is pure madness, but it will get tiresome pretty fast, my whole body was buzzing for two hours after I got home. I now ride a vfr1200x, love how it sounds, but I still miss the inline 4 sound sometimes.
Nice comparison vid! But I've always been partial to twins, so ...
What about ICrossplane nline 4. Is it comparable with V4 engine coz the firing is uneven..
I have a Z1000 (That's ZED1000 here.) Cheers from the Pacific West Coast of Canada
My first V4 was a Honda V45 Magna a 750 cc same engine was on the Honda Interceptor. Now I still have a Yamaha VMax 1198cc both these bike so happen to be shaft drive. They run like hell .
I have both a 4 inline (Yamaha FZS 600 2002) and a V4 (Honda VFR800 VTEC). Yes, the V4 has more torque at low revs, but the 600cc inline 4 has nothing to envy to the V4 at higher revs. Moreover, at low revs (2000RPM) the V4 is very choppy and coughs under load, while the FZS600 is perfect.
Anyway, the key point is that the sound of the inline 4 is a symphony, compared to the brutality of the V4.
But ii is really a matter of tastes..
The reason why the company is not switching to v4 because of the production cost and aditional extra parts the v4 is better in terms of performance because narrower crankshaft less stress in friction, and ducati v4 and yamaha i4 crossplane sounds similar because the firing interval and the combustion is the 90,180,270,360, degree of the crankshaft spin position, and the aprilia v4 is same in the i4 flatplane 180,360 degree of the crankshaft spin position. If your have intel in mechanism it’s easy to understand. The thing that i want in every production superbikes is counter rotating crankshaft it will add extra production cost also because of the extra gearshaft, but it’s a must because it will give you extra control in agile and anti wheelie without reducing engine torque via electronics. Well ducati v4 and 800cc mv Augusta did it but those bikes are not on my wishlist because lacking of fuel gauge and cruise control.
Thank you for this video i learned more about these big bikes engines
Inline 4 ticks all the required boxes right, V4 is overengineered when it's not from a Harley.
OK, at 6:00 you say that 90° V engine has better primary balances than an inline four. Though I’m pretty sure a flat plane I4 is inherently the most balanced engine configuration period because you have 2 reciprocating pair of pistons that cancel each others forces and it’s only on one plane. Pretty sure a V anything needs counter weights on crankshaft to achieve any balance, which is the opposite of what you said. Care to correct me?
Your n=2 mode is off on flatplanes. Mine gets buzzy around 6000 rpm. Of course the argument is I shouldn't be revving that low in the first place 😉
The best natural balance is found in i6/V12 engines. I believe Honda made an i6 bike once. With equal length headers. Howls like an old F1 car!
But yeh, those engines you can rev into oblivion without worrying that they'll shake themselves to bits. The only real limitations come from valvetrain etc.
@@233kosta sure, but would you at least agree that the V2 and V4 are not magically more balanced than a flat plane I4
@@JohnSmith12931 Oh no, of course not
Nice video Man! Could you please make a video & your thoughts of the new Ducati diavel V4 vs the V2 1260s??? Thanks!
Ducati v4 fires 2 cylinders at a time making it sound almost like a v twin. Apriia ftw
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great videos, such great detail that is easily explained.
Glad you liked it!!!
There's definitely something special about the roar of a v4 engine, while it certainly combines power and smoothness, and as much as I admire the v4. I have to admit that my favorite is still the inline 4, nothing can match the thrill of a screaming inline 4 revving to its limit. That always will get my heart. 😁❤
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Great content btw, thx, keep up the good work
Not to be mean, but I just think that it's so funny how this guy sounds like a foreign version of yammie noob😂😂👌
Great information, wonderful video!! Keep it up mate!🔥🔥🔥
Thanks man HAHHAHA
I'm not really a crotch rocket kind of guy but I love raw horsepower and the sound of v4 engines so the perfect bike for me is my 2nd gen Vmax 1700. I'd love to throw a leg over a Diavel V4 someday too.
I like Japanese inline 4's they are smooth, and reliable.
Especially with a balance shaft, but I don't know which ones have that. Mine doesn't, so it gets a tad buzzy around 6000 rpm
Great video bro👍🏻
NOTHING BEATS A SCREAMING INLINE 4
I gave up sportbikes in 2014 when I bought a new VMAX. I voted for the V4.
oll was
I own a v4 for 6 years aprilia! Now i have a crossplane! Both of them are incredible!
Nice vid bro but to me the inline four sound is superior then v4
?! RSV4 with a SC Project GP can roars!
You need to hear a carbureted v4 at 90 degrees. Best sound ever
Anyone saying they want i4 probably hasn’t ridden a v4. No contest. Bummed Honda v4 options went away. Not even close, that’s my opinion and experience.
It may not be the best but for me would be a Flat plane inline 4 engine (❤sound) on a Ducati
Both engines are more suited for the track. A V-twin, parallel twin, thumpers, and triples make better street engines because of their torque
Honda’s cb/cbr650 is a street tuned I4 so their is one option
It would be interesting to see a small-mid displacement v4 tuned for the street
The best configuration for me is i4 crossplane.
Inline 4 sound like a freaking F1/V12 car
V4 sound like a broken tractor or a Toyota Yaris being revved to death.
Well explained - thank you.
I love the fairings of Panigale and R1 but man those screaming bikes makes me think otherwise
Inline 4 just sounds better 4 me. I did enjoy all the video and the explanation. Many things I didnt know. But for me the inline 4 sound is something else!
Subscribed - Great video
To be honest, a V4 and a crossplane engine kinda sound similar 🤌🏻 it's literally nuts
Only 90° Vs. Other configurations will sound different.
I think the Ducati Panigale V4R is the fastest production bike on the market, it's 230 HP while the Kawi H2 was 200 HP. The H2R with its 320 hp doesn't count since it's not a road legal bike ...
In South East Asia Kawasaki made a special z250 i4 and tbh it's revs like hell haha
if only fabio and toprak yamaha bike had the same power as ducati they would have won by a miles.
- every yamaha fanboys.
Go learn English please
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That’s be the same if Ducati had the Handling of the Yamaha, won by a lot of miles
Why not a parallel 4? L-twin is the best config. Imo.
I must say BMW INLINE FOURS are he BEST
Good video. I subscribed 👍❤️
So way not making VR4 like VW VR6 with 1 engine head ?
Sound of the screaming inline 4 is the biggest reason i'm staying with inline 4
I have a news flash here, Honda is a Japanese company and they have built V 4 engines for decades. BMW is European and they have built in line for engines for many years so your argument starts off conflicting.
Very well said on under 10 mins bro👍
Japanese use inline 4 because its cheaper to make .The v4 is a better engine design for racing . The inline 4 is now becoming obsolete because at the 300hp+ needed to be competitive the inline 4 crank is to long/heavy and yamaha/suzuki engines blowing up .
hahahahahha... jake is spewing his amateur bogus theories over all websites - "the inline 4 crank is to long/heavy and yamaha/suzuki engines blowing up".
Pity its bovine excrement,
Excellent episode
everything growls, but only inline sounds smooth.
It is hard to beat a short stroke V4 for all around performance.
Nice video. Where you from man?
From the Philippines man!
V4 for me cuz I had a Honda magna , the most smooth bike quite a bit of power for the age ,,, good fast memories v4👍👍👍
"inline" 4 ! Moving on TRANSVERSELY but not on a BMW K BRICK or even a old Henderson Fn Nimbus maybe a Rocket 3 no not the BSA one as MisterShifter may think it's a inline triple ?
a v4 sound is not practically a tiger growling, but an inline 2 engine with an open pipe exhaust. that's what it really sound like. dont add the tiger growling title to a boring 2 cylinder sounding v4 engine just to slap a high price to it.