If One Old Book is Wrong, Then EVERY Old Book Is Wrong? | The Atheist Experience: Throwback
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It’s a safe bet that nobody has ever accused Billy of being remotely bright.
What about blight?
@@AXKfUN9m What about it?
@@anushkasekkingstad1300 Billy being accused of being (a) blight.
@@AXKfUN9m Goodbye.
@@anushkasekkingstad1300why did you get offended 😂
Caller's extreme butthurt was palpable. 😂
Atheist humanistic men are regularly butthurt but they choose that kind of lifestyle.
On top of that they always cry about how people on the right make them feel marginalized, less than.
@@FascistsDems "Choose" that kind of "lifestyle"? Wow, you DO seem butthurt that there are people with other sexualities. But haven't you heard the news? Christians are now OK with that and now have moved on to demonizing trans people.
I get what you're saying. Can we try to not use the word "butthurt"?😊
i just love that billy never listens to anything anyone else says. just keeps nattering in the background and ignoring the hosts.
It’s a common trait among christian callers.
@@anushkasekkingstad1300 They often don't listen to what's being said, only just wait for their turn to talk.
@@dx1450 I’ve noticed that. Often they don’t seem to wait for their turn to talk. We’re lucky that they’re only a small minority of our population in our home countries and seem largely limited to the deeply dysfunctional US, a country we haven’t set foot in since 2015, largely due to the violence, hatred, intolerance and bigotry of the place.
Bonus points for using "nattering" to accurately describe this numbskull.
Oh boy. Hearing Billy do his crazy angry rant is always a treat. We need a supercut with all his calls.
True, i feel like losing some braincells today. I'd watch it 😂
I think we need better mental health care even more.
years have not improved billy.........still silly billy
"I am not a Christian but I am outraged that you don't believe the bible." This guy was lying from the outset in a desperate attempt to shift the burden of proof.
That's so funny. As if an argument is getting more objective when he pretends to be unbiased 😂
I agree. With all that’s happening in the world, it’s pathetic that people not believing in the bible is what outrages him. He should come to the Nordics and try to find people who do believe in its deeply ignorant nonsense. Here, it’s a career ending crime for a teacher to expose our children to the bible in our schools. Without indoctrination from a young age, it requires extraordinary gullibility to believe it’s primitive, superstitious twaddle.
@@ninaschust3694 Precisely. Nobody who isn’t a christian is going to care in the slightest whether anybody believes in a religious book.
He also said, "I'm not a Christian. I just believe this thing that christians believe."
@ninaschust3694 It's very common for theists to come in and try to sound unbiased when they're really not. Often, it comes in the form of "I used to be an atheist" but this is one form as well
I love when theists call onto the show and lie by saying theyre not a Christian, and then say that Christianity has the best arguments. But apparently "thou shalt not bear false witness" doesnt apply to them 🙃
that only counts in a court of law and within your own tribe. you can lie like a sailor to an infidel
@@dom11949Lying in court is perjury buddy
@@dom11949Lying in court is Perjury buddy
@@cutoverpark9596 acording to real law. But acording to the bible it doesn't.
@@benjaminmadrigalperez9010 Yeah but the old buy bull is fiction and Only relevant to christians,Means nothing to the rest of the world…🤷♂️
What was said: "Some people in ancient Greece thought that lightning bolts were thrown by Zeus to make us aware of his anger"
What doofus heard: "Duuuude, like every single ancient person ever used to think that, like, lightning was done by gods because they were pissed off at us, like totally real dude trust me bro"
Someone never took Greek and Roman mythology.
We have writings, oral traditions, & archeological evidence from multiple cultures as recent as today going back to antiquity establishing their believes. That doesn't prove their believes were right. You are aware the cause of lightning is a relatively new discovery [1792] & we have millions of writings covering history before that date.
And the thing is, different claims require different levels of truth. It's more believable to read that superstitious people a few thousand years ago would believe that lightning was caused by gods than stories in another book about talking snakes, a global flood, and people rising from the dead.
Oh, I was unaware that thousands of years ago people understood electricity well enough to know that lightning was not some god display.
Did anthropologists just dig up yet another ancient Tesla Coil?
whether its true or not it does nothing to the god claim
"we dont know people belived lightning [weather] was made by a god"
also: "we know god created a flood [weather] out of anger at people's corruption, and created rainbows [weather] as a promise to not flood the earth again"
You and your logic and scientific methods 😂
If all storms, tsunamis, etc. that God still sends that flood the earth again & again killing hundreds doesn’t eventually exceed killing all but 9 people (1 less than Noah and his family), then I guess God's promise "not to flood the earth again" holds.
@@ninaschust3694Oh yeah,Talking Snakes and Flying Donkeys make way more sense…🤔
@@cutoverpark9596 exactly. Just like banning Adam and Eve from paradise after they ate the fruit of knowledge... Because before the event they were totally cognizant of what would happen if they did the verboten thing 🙄😑.
I too love screaming at toddlers for being toddlers. 😳
@@ninaschust3694 Which of course is a fable unless someone has proof of course!!!! And that’s where it falls apart…🤷♂️
Billy don't be a hero, Don't be a fool with your life.
Come back and make me your wife .................
Billy, don't be a hero, come back and make me your wife
Ricky Lamebot's latest pearl of wisdom: "The lambs become the loins."
👆🤦♂🤣
Spambot is always obsessing over loins.
Well, that's definitely better than square of the speed of light is "5". He should sync up with @rbwinn who claims that he's ALSO proven that Einstein is wrong and ALL the observations of time and space dilations are just people having clocks running at different speeds.
@@queuecee well he did learn junior high-school algebra, so he's way more qualified than a PhD.
I wonder if he's related to cosmological David?
@@RickLambert963 Hey, gird your loins there, sweet-cheeks 🤡
@@RickLambert963 "Men are from Mars, women are from Venus, the rest of the pronoun clown "genders" are from Uranus."
Okay Ricky, show us on the doll where the man hurt you?
This is funny because when I was a kid I use to think lightning was god’s wrath. I also use to think rain was god’s sorrow. Those beliefs didn’t come from outta thin air. They were passed down from generation to generation.
They may be genetically passed down. The sheer loudness of thunder strikes fear, and lightning creates preemptive suspense for that fear.
Rain tends to make both predators and preys go into hiding to not get wet, making all the proactive and defensive jungle affairs come to a pause, thus allowing all creatures to feel calm and restful and some room to feel emotional.
The feelings arising from these phenomena are quite natural, but humans being humans we need to anthropomorphize and personify whatever we encounter in nature and assign some imaginary deities to them.
When I was a kid, I thought that thunder was god bowling.
I used to think God was standing on a cloud p'ssing on us. Come to think of it....
Asterix was my favourite old book growing up 😊
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If the Bible is wrong about God, then Euclid must be wrong about geometry?
I don't think I need to spend too much time entertaining that argument.
Love that ❤.
These people fundamentally dont understand nuance. 99% chance = 0% to them unless it's a favorable claim to them
Atheist experience hosts are sticklers for defined meanings unless it doesn't fit their narrative for example the meaning of atheism.
If there was only one old book that mentioned people believing lightning was caused by god it would be equivalent to the claims in the bible.
It wouldn’t even. The claims in the Bible are supernatural, but there’s nothing supernatural about people being wrong.
@@Leith_CrowtherYeah, especially because that claim isn’t that surprizing. After all, they had no other explanations for weather. And seeing how much humans dislike things with no answers then they have to explain it with gods
If there was only one old book talking about people believing that consciousness couldn't exist without a brain that would be equivalent to believing in the supernatural that life came into existence without God.
@@Leith_Crowther
Many claims are considered supernatural like the idea your ancestors were sea creatures.
Like the idea you were born with a brain of a different gender in your body, like the idea the origins of Life came into existence without God. People used to believe the idea of consciousness existing without a brain is supernatural until it was proven it isnt.Then they believed the idea of consciousness existing without a brain or a nervous system is supernatural until it was proven it isn't.
People say that the faith-based belief that Jesus walked on water is ridiculous but overwhelmingly the same people who believe that's ridiculous also believe their ancestors were lizards that walked on water.
They say believing Jesus risen from the dead is completely ridiculous but the idea of Life popping into existence because of a non intelligent occurrence isn't ridiculous.
@@quentind1924people used to believe that consciousness couldn't exist without a brain until it was proven that it could.
If you believe God is the creator of the universe of the universe then you believe lightning is a result of God's creation.
If you believe the origins of life popped into existence then you believe a BMW is the final result of a non intelligent occurrence.
Billy is on speed or is radically paranoid…..or both…..
he is exhibiting several signs of paranoid delusional schizophrenia. i hope he gets the help that he needs.
Both
How do we know people used to think thunder was Satan's farts when they could not smell them?
Because they're Demon Gas!! 😆
Billy has been calling AXP for about seven years, yet he consistently fails to debate any of his points effectively, as if his life depended on it. He called last week and he STILL can't debate for shit. It's baffling why some repeat callers, such as Billy, continue calling when each call follows the same unproductive pattern from start to finish.
And for SOME reason he’s more hostile when the hosts are women.
@@funknelson87Wonder why that might be... /s
I guess the fact that he's actually willing to call into the show makes him better than any of the other Christians here (NEPy) who's NEVER called into the show but claims to have won ALL their debates against atheists. Not only that, they've never lost in the last FIFTY years, and he "debunked" evolution FIFTY years ago.
It's almost like all those debates have been in his imagination against imaginary strawman atheists and he's never actually debated with a real atheist and that's why he's too scared to call in. Billy at least has some conviction of his beliefs.
Is there any atheists out here willing to respond to a hypothetical scenario.
It's going to be a multiple question multiple scenario hypothetical scenario.
If I can find an atheist who is willing to participate you have to agree not to be intellectually dishonest.
@@FascistsDems Are you allowed to be intellectually dishonest?
Billy is a very sad & angry little man. I loved how Katy M. dealt with his dumbass.
Q: did ancient people believe that lightning was caused by a god.
A: Bruh, my grandmother was a Christian and thought Jesus would strike you down with lightning.
I think I was in the studio for this one! My one and only trip to Texas, for my band to play one gig near Austin. We saw the bats and visited AE. Great times!
Grew up in a bible belt. Had lots of folks tell children that lightning was caused by the angels moving God throne. The thunder was his reprimand and the rain their tears for inviting God's wrath.
I'm old but not ancient.
I don't recall anyone ever teaching it, but it was common folk belief that lightning was god's anger
I’ve heard Billy call in several times… bless his heart. 🙃
In every "bless him" there is a small fuck you :)
multiple sources for events give good confidence
😂😂😂... good 1 👍
You don't need an ancient book for that. I remember to have met very old people, when i was a child, who literally thought that lightening was the god's wrath. I was 4 or 5 and the person who believed that was about 85 or 90 years old. I was born in the early 60's, so he and his wife should be from the 1870's. And they really believed it. Tried to convince me, until my mom interviened.
The caller is going through a crazy internal battle… poor guy…
Clearly people believed it, otherwise we wouldn’t know about it. If people didn’t believe the myths, why would they have persisted for so long?
Please support ex muslim movement
@@phoenixkingtheoI think they want you to support people who used to be Muslims? Idk why it's relevant, they may be a bot
@@OmarHamza-nz9ob always will. Stay safe ❤.
If you believe God created the universe then you believe lightning is the result of God's actions..
If you believe the origins of Life came into existence without creation without God you believe a BMW is the final result of a non intelligent occurrence ..
At what time the idea of consciousness existing without a brain was considered supernatural. But then it was proven consciousness can exist without a brain . Then it was believed the idea of consciousness existing without a brain or nervous system is supernatural it was proven that consciousness can exist without a brain and nervous system. Matter of fact the deep sea sponge of the Arctic has no brain has no nervous system has no tissue has no organs but yet it's a predator which means it's conscience
@@FascistsDems Do you not have a brain? You've been shown over and over how ridiculous you are that just because an organism is a predator that its' conscience. There are single cell creatures that are predators.
And no. It's NOT been proven that consciousness can exist without a brain. No matter what kind of brainless comments that you post here, you absolutely do have a physical brain.
Caller, "Front Loaded Intelligent Design Theory" never even got off the table at the B.L.A.N.D. Corporation.
Don’t tell Billy that Yahweh was once a storm god…
Just one of the personas of the god in the old testament was based on Baal, the ancient Semitic storm god. The other is El, who was the head of a pantheon of gods that sometimes included Baal, which sometimes has Baal as the son of El. It's similar to Odin and Thor.
But both these are incorporated into YHWH as the Israelites moved to monotheism.
How do we know that Billy even made this call? Checkmate, atheists!
Seek help. Checkmate moron.
Just to be sure : that's a joke, right ?
@@quentind1924 😂 Yeah, 100%.
@@SecondaryHomunculus Okay nice, because we can never be sure of anything (checkmate atheists) when we see a comment on this channel
Even if it was proven by the scientific method that Billy made the call a person with a disbelief that Billy made the would still be unwilling or unable to accept it as true.
Checkmate believer
When ever Billy calls I always start singing Billy Austin by Steve Earle
Phil collins- Billy don't you lose that number. Big 80s hit
And a thousand years from now, people won't believe that there were once people who actually believed in gods like Osiris, Odin, Zeus or Jesus..
The correct answer for this guy as he became increasingly unhinged, and asked "what data points are being used..." was "why don't you become an historian and find out. We're not a college."
"Throwing the baby out with the bathwater is the way of true knowledge."
-Billy (probably)
I am happy to accept that people long ago believed crazy shit. That's not a special claim. He doesn't understand that it's the extraordinary stuff we don't believe.
What is it with theists and making false equivalences? Billy somehow managed to acknowledge the gist of a common criticism of a particular facet of evidence theists cite for their claims - and yet still managed to miss the point entirely.
Well, when you believe in nonsense, you tend to argue with nonsense.
How do we know some people thought lighting was the wrath of Zeus? Because people wrote down, "Hey, lighting is the wrath of Zeus."
This guy sounds like he's fun at a party.
"People assess things based on reasonable research, but I'm going to assess without any evidence that all history is false."
Assess. You assess an asset to determine its value. As an assessment.
You can't have one hundred percent certainty because that's practically unobtainable with all the uncertainties you can't account for.
The caller re-read one of his texts from last week and realized it can no longer be trusted. It's old and is now compromised.
There is a difference to say people believed something hundreds of years ago (writings, tales) than to say those stories were true.
Billy is comparing apples and rocks.
few centuries off with charlemagne lmao
Take a drink 🥃 every time you hear the word “compromised “🤣
Thanks but I prefer to have a functioning liver.
Did I just hear a caller ( @ 4:40 into the video) claim "we" didn't know the science behind Lighting 100s of years ago? Franklin had it figured out in 1752. Is that not 100s of years ago?
1:00 i still came across a meme last week showing a lightning hitting the woods and the meme saying, "god found you in the woods touching yourself"
Major sources for Roman myth include the Aeneid of Virgil and the first few books of Livy's history as well as Dionysius's Roman Antiquities. Other important sources are the Fasti of Ovid, a six-book poem structured by the Roman religious calendar, and the fourth book of elegies by Propertius.
Billy conflating to fuck. One thing to believe that people believed that Zeus thrown lightning, other thing that the Zeus was actually thrown the lightning.
Bitter Billy being bummed about books being bunk.
Cheers!
i dunno what it is, but billy from austin always sounds like he's blubbering through a mouthful of gruel.
if the dunning-kruger-effect was a person
They know that because when Benjamin Franklin developed lightning rods people didn't want them put on the highest points in town, most often a church steeple because it would be messing with God's plan to save buildings from lightning strikes.
This is actually true, not some joke. It's an example of people slowing down progress because of religion.
Billy needs to take his medication. 😂
I think he WAS on medication during that call, tbh 😅
Compromised? What if what's written is exactly what the primitive writers wanted to say, but were factually inaccurate themselves in part, then the stories got passed down and survived "uncompromised" in their current Aramaic, Greek, Hebrew, and to many translated forms?
Wow. This is clearly the same Billy that Katie ridiculed and laughed at and he appears to be permanently furious about something. His breathless gasping voice sounds like someone on the verge of a nervous breakdown.
He’s really hung up on lightning, but the way to find that out would be to have multiple sources that say the same thing then you could probably make a strong inference that some people at least did think lightning came from the gods
People believe it now. I have no problem with them believing it in the past as well. But let's say it's not true for the sake of argument. What's next? What have we achieved by saying it's not necessarily true?
The caller sounded like he was having a panic attack.
Billy The Greek stories of gods, heroes and monsters are told and retold around the world even today. The earliest known versions of these myths date back more than 2,700 years, appearing in written form in the works of the Greek poets Homer and Hesiod. But some of these myths are much older.
Bill makes coffee nervous. Take a breath, dude.
“You believe people believed it right?”
Billy: “Idk, that’s the whole point”
Are you fucking kidding me?! 🤣
Why else would they have a religion?
I love Billy, he shows how religion can make a person say the most inane things. Has billy ever heard of Thor? And his logic is o screwed up.
Wow, Billy! Thanks for your brilliant insight! Ancient books might now be accurate so the Bible isn't. Thanks for clearing that up for us. I'd hate to be living in Billy's head. He seems very chaotic.
Some people are serial killers, that means literally everybody is a serial killer
Why call in if you’re gonna run laps outside. Catch your breathe then ask questions
We thought Thor was out for a sunday drive..
Some people thousands of years ago were able to write down what they think or believe. There is no reason to deny that those descriptions exist. Whether what people did believe and write about was true or not is a completely different question. Norse, Greek and Roman mythologies were all believed by lots of people and described in writing with gods representing natural fenomena people had no explanation for back then. Religions today are just the same. Nobody is denying that religious literature is full of claims. Whether we believe them or not is something else.
@@jaflenbond7854 blabla from insane mind
"Nobody is denying that religious literature is full of claims." I really wish this would be true. Sadly it is not.
@@jaflenbond7854 blabla from insane mind
@@jaflenbond7854 blabla from insane mind
I don’t think bill understanda there are ancient murals and artifacts depicting art of “lighting coming from a god”.
And I think he doesn’t understand that we use more than a book to understand history. Artifacts, carbon dating, murals, OTHER BOOKS like journals. The point is CONSISTENCY of the topic.
Wow dude sounds very nervous 😧
If numerous cultures have been studied and their holy books said what they believed in, you could come to a conclusion that those cultures believed in said thing. Whether what they believed happened to be true or not does not matter in the claim that those cultures once believed in those things.
I miss Russell.
What a great host.
Every time Billy pops up I know I'm in for a frustrating, irrationally hostile time.
I never realised Ted "Theodore" Logan was an actual person...
Lighting is done by Wodan, I just read the book😢
I'm an atheist and I don't know why we think people used to think lightning was caused by God's. I mean I can't just cough up a source.
People literally believe it today when they say that everything is from god. This belief system just evolved a little
"lightning was caused by God's. I mean I can't just cough up a source." Maybe try Zeus? 😀Literally everything, what people didn't understand, was attributed to god(s) and devil/demons. Ilnesses, natural phenomena like thunderstorms, eclipses, earthquakes, local floods...
@Apostolnixx I agree but I still can't answer the callers question. If anyone has a source that'd be great.
@@Seticzech I guess I don't know anything about our Greek sources. Immaculate look into it a bit thanks
@@ericmishima what caller question? He wasn't reasonable in anything he said, so im not sure what do your mean
There is a huuuge difference between knowing that ancients thought something,
( cos thats what the writings evidenced. Their thoughts etc. )
And us knowing those thoughts must mean god is physically real, just cos they thought it.
No one tries to say the "lightning gods" were physically real, cos the writings say it.
But the writings ARE the evidence of their thoughts on things.
😁🌏☮️
Billy was just as silly all those years ago
Ahhh Texasss: Home of the Free (to derp)!
Yeah I think that this guy is a, “Book Burner” type of guy.
How often do the videos that get posted to RUclips include a caller who is apparently on meth?
Billy can't tell the difference between reality and imagination.
Realty check Billy.....there are people alive today that think that any bad weather is the wrath of god.
Here we go again,...
Not all the old books are wrong, but Billy is wrong.
The saddest thing about every time billy has called is he genuinely thinks he is making a reasonable or good point, when he is just showing how bad he is at logic and thinking, I wouldn't be surprised to learn billy is a big Alex Jones fan, he seems pretty paranoid and conspiratorial
Define compromised. There's a difference between using old books to determine what people thought happened and using old books to determine what actually did happen.
Doesn't really matter if people did or didn't think Gods did things due to being angry or whatever. The fact that people still believe in a God is more concerning and put their life beliefs in it!!
SIlly Billy
Zeus confirmed!
He was mixing to different concepts. Believing/knowing that people thought lightning was caused by gods is demonstrable through anthropology, history, etc. What Christians (essentially) do is say anthropology/critical scholarship is not needed because they know the claims within the belief are true. We absolutely know that 2K years ago people believed in Jesus; that’s not an extraordinary claim at all.
"OH my god the books are compromised, compromised I tell you"
What he is trying to say is that :/
all we know about our past ( in books ) may have been altered , and out data from history may not be correct .
Out knowledge of past is written by men in some books , so when one book is inaccurate then how do we know the others are not the same ? 😮
We can't absolutely know, all the way to solipsism. However, we can judge which things are more likely to be true than others, especially with corroborating evidence. "But how do we know that evidence isn't also forged?" You don't, but is there any evidence of massive forgery of historical evidence? "Of course not, they wouldn't put it in the forgeries!"
It's a good thing nobody takes what's said in old books as the absolute, unchanging, 100%-certain truth but the religious.
@@icantcomeupwithnames469
Ignore this one. It is not interested in listening.
Yet another silly frightened child convincing itself it joined the correct fan club
@@icantcomeupwithnames469
Besides, we can. It's called science. Look into it.
One Way you can judge Older Books is by why they were written. Were they written for Scientific/Literary/Religious Purposes ? Religious Books were/are written entirely for Political Purposes. The Name of the Game was/is Control. Power and Money. Listen and Obey to our God(s) because it/they is/are ALL Powerful and All Knowing. If You do not. Your Life and After Life will be Pure Misery ! By far the Greatest Old Book is Euclid's Elements, which set the Foundation for Science and Math for Centuries.
Hellenism is a recognized religion in Greece...there are still people today who believe in it...🤗😳
God of the gaps argument if they couldn't explain it it was God
Billy just doesnt get that the claim that people believed some stuff long ago and this stuff actually being true are two completely different claims.
We need better mental Healthcare in the US.