Another great video brother! Really appreciate all the time and effort you spend on all these videos. I’m learning a lot. We need a merch shop from you! I absolutely love the logo and need that as a sticker.
In my opinion when you're hunting with a front stuffer, every shot is a clean bore shot. When I'm sighting in, or target shooting I run a wet patch down the bore, concentrate on the crud ring they all seem to leave behind, followed by another wet patch and then a couple of dry patches to dry things out. Try that sometime and see if your groups don't tighten up a bunch. SST's shoot great in all three of my CVA rifles with this method.
There is truth to that. I can only think of one time I reloaded after shooting and actually making another shot at a deer. The video for this coming Wednesday I tested making two shots and running a bore snake twice through the barrel. And with certain powders it made a HUGE difference. Also when I’m adjusting my scope to a combo I do clean the barrel between each shot to ensure the first round impact is at point of aim. Thank you for watching and commenting.
Your testing adds up with what I’ve found over the years. I will not shoot sabot bullets, they are to inconsistent and the grouping sucks. They may work for some people but me. To much plastic making contact with the riflings and once the sabot separates from the projectile the bullet is practically tumbling.
Thanks for letting me know. I have others that I plan to test. I guess we will see if that trend continues or my rifle just doesn’t like the 300gr SST. Thanks for watching
I love the Hornady 250 gr. SST's in my CVA Wolf. I get 1 1/2 inch groups in my rifle with 100 gr. (2 pellets) of Pyrodex. I tried 3 pellets, but they would not group very well at all in my rifle. I have taken 2 deer with this combination.
That’s awesome to hear!! I picked up a couple boxes of those too. Have you ran the 300gr? Curious on the comparison. It would seem the SST preferred the 100gr loads in mine as well.
I have not tried the 300 gr. I got suitable groups in the 250's a couple of years ago when powder/pellets and primers were harder to get, so I did not do a ton of testing once I got "good enough" groups in what I had on hand. If I were to change projectiles, it would probably be to either Hornady 290 FTX or 340 ELDX. @@suburbanhunt3653
Hey DJ. Another great video. I finally got out with my Optima this weekend. Used only 2 pellet white hot loads with 245 sst. I tried doing 3 shots then clean but my group's were everywhere almost always due to the 3rd shot. And that third load was very tight due to the crud ring. When i went to one shot or two shots then clean my groups finally stayed tight. Also had to run the o ring in the primer pocket due to blow by. I'll be trying out the eldx and bore drivers this weekend but with blackhorn. I also don't want to have clean every other shot. I know the blackhorn would be very expensive for your testing but would probably be best for you to run on the hunt due to it's consistency over multiple shots without cleaning.
From the comments it seems that multiple shooters have the same wild 3rd shot. I’m going to run loose powder for my loads but will continue to test with pellets for those that run pellets. Test with BH209 will get expensive but if we don’t test we won’t know. As for cleaning a bore snake is enough to clean the barrel. Easy enough to do in the stand if needed. Thanks for watching
Hey brotha forgot to let you know my results. Came up with my gun hates pellets I can not hit consistently with them. Blackhorn on the other hand is way better. The federal borlocks just suck in general which really sucks I really like the idea of that bullet. The boredrivers eld x did okay for me had to downcharge the powder charge it was over pressurizing for me and primer was getting stuck and imprinting the firing pin plate on it. The best groups I had were with the Barnes tez 250 grain one right on top of the other and one flyer. Not sure if it was me the gun or the bullet. I bought the loading jag for those bullets to see if that helps also got the 290 grain bullet to see if it does good. My hunt starts Saturday hopefully it’s successful
First of all, thank you for the update, and good luck this weekend. I am right there with you on the federal bore locks. Really wish they performed better. As for the group with the 250 grain as you can see in this video, the 1,2 with a flyer is getting to be more prominent. In the next video, I will be working on overcoming that. As always, thanks again for watching and again good luck this weekend.
@@suburbanhunt3653 thank you I’ll let you know the outcome with the Barnes loading jag plan on shooting it either today or tomorrow both 250 and 290 grain with 84 and 70 grain charges of Blackhorn
Hey Brandon I had the same issue with my Optima this weekend. Hornady eldx with blackhorn but was running 100gV. Snapping o-rings, imprinting the primer with the firing pin bushing and made a huge mess. But, my groups were awesome at 1 moa in 4 shots. That's good for me at least. I'm going with a much lighter sabot round to retest as well.
@@patheubel560 I don’t care for the eld x they fall apart too much. I retested with the Barnes loading jag of the 250 grain and 290 grain had no flyers basically touching except for me pulling to the right on one shot using 70 grains by weight my gun didn’t like the 84 grain by weight I had about 1.5 inch group at 100 yards with the 84 grains.
@@suburbanhunt3653 try the Barnes loading jag with the Barnes bullet it’s basically the size of the bore so you essentially push the bullet straight at least that’s their idea seems to work for me. I’d assume it would work well with other bullets also with plastic tips.
I believe your right on the sabot, I have never had very accurate shooting from them but like you say your gun and mine are different. 👍 good video and good info.
Thank you. You are right but enough people have the same experience then it it’s a trend. I plan to test the 250 SST and a 240XTP both Hornady sabots. After that we will see. Not looking good so far. Thanks again for watching
O.K., D.J. Here we go. 95% of this is MHO and food for thought. I have never weighed 2 pellets that were the same weight. The more pellets you add to a charge, the more the weight variation comes into play. Pellets consist of controlled explosive material and a BINDER. Binders come into play during ignition. I do not think, with the igniters we have, primarily the 209, that we will ever reach acceptable, repeatable ignition with more than 3 pellets of any kind, and even 3 can be a struggle That is why I don't use them. I wish I could, but I can't accept the accuracy I get with pellets (any, and all, with White Hots edging out all others in my gun) vs. what I get with carefully weighed charges. That's enough for now. Keep up the good work! P.S. Your gun exhibits what I call the 2 and 1 syndrome. You might want to look at the bedding of the forend. Best.
Bedding on a muzzleloader? Interesting thought honestly never crossed my mind til this moment. Thank you! I agree 100% with everything you said. The reason I continue the pellets is that I assume more people are going to use them rather then loose. I’m 1000% on the accuracy comment!!! Next weeks video I weight out the pellets for the same weight charge…. It’s show the other side of weighed charges. 1 grain make a big difference and how do you get consistent weights…ie how many pellets would you go through to get the same 90grain by weight out of your pellets? It just doesn’t make sense to use them. Unless you are ok with groups they provide. Thank you for watching and commenting. What’s your go to load?
I agree with everything you've said. I get poked fun for carefully weighing my Blackhorn 209. Are T7 pellets acceptable to harvest whitetail ethically at 150 yards? Absolutely! But if I can make my groups tighter, shoot flatter, and not have the woes of cleaning associated with T7....I'm all in. Who doesn't want better accuracy and a powder that's shelf stable for LONG periods of time? Shit, I know I do!
I've taken 13 large northern whitetails With Hornady SST 250 low drag and white hots in 150 and 100 GR , the difference is with 100 GR..Deer run off a ways before falling down, and the 150 gr, ..They don't run anywhere, they just tip over!
In my CVA Optima I get great groups with the SST 300 grain. I had horrible accuracy with the Powerbelts. Just shows each rifle is an individual. Also, in a muzzleloader, I wonder if 3 shot groups are really a good metric. I hunt with my gun but never have taken a second shot, but really the 2 shot performance would be more important than the three shot group, IMO.
Agreed every rifle is different. As for the 3 rounds I also agree that a more rounds would give you more data points to consider. I'm already running 27 rounds with the test I'm doing. To run a five round group would jump that up to 45 rounds per video. We are not sponsored so every thing comes out of pocket. Thank you for watching.
Regards our comments on one of your vids, I did weigh the 777 pellets and have a variation of as much as 3 grains across the lot. Took the lowest weight and sandpaper and quickly brought all of them to weigh the same. No idea if it helps with flyers yet.
I did similar. I weighed them out until I got 3/3 of the same consistent weight. I am actually headed to the range now to test. It will be on this coming week video. If it turns out like I think it will be a strong argument or loose powder.
Personally, I have moved away from sabot rounds. So many choices now with skirts or even no skirts and just a concave base to expand out and catch the barrel grooves. Sabots, I think, are on the way out across the board.
I have to honestly agree with you. The skirts have done better on average. Barnes 290 TEZ did ok. I have heard a lot about Thors and look forward to testing them.
i always used the 250 grain sst out of my savage smokeless with awesome results. Now trying them out out of a cva wolf v2 with 2 pellets of triple 7 with good results but further testing is needed as its a brand new set up
I do have a couple boxes of the 250gn. I will run them through pellet challenge and compare. Thanks for watching. Again please let me know how the CVA test come out. I love to compare the two.
I hope they started making the SST projectiles softer than they were 10 years ago. A few of my hunting buddies and I all used either the SSTs or the Shockwaves. Most of us used a 2 pellet load. The only one of us who actually had proper expansion out of these bullets was using 3 pellets. All of us who used 100gr (2 pellets) had zero expansion and usually long tracking jobs. This is not an assumption based solely upon exit holes or terminal performance as we had recovered multiple projectiles over the years. All of the recovered projectiles either remained perfectly intact, with the tip slightly blunted or the nose of the bullet would shear off. None of the bullets actually expanded beyond the original bullet diameter.
@@slimjimmy229 thanks for the information!! I’m hoping that using the ribbed sabots help but if the expansion isn’t there there the accuracy is only half the battle. Best of luck in future hunts. Thanks again for in the knowledge.
I have a TC Omega and I’ve tried power belts and they grouped terrible. I’ve tried the Bore-Loc and they wasn’t good. I’ve tried the 240 grain XTP and they didn’t group well. Now I’ve tried the shockwave and the low drag 250 grain and both of them the first 2 shots are touching at a 100 yards but then they start spraying out. I use triple 7 loose powder and swab between each shot. I make sure my barrel isn’t too warm. I’ve had a hard time finding anything that shoots consistent. But I’m thinking about the ELDX.
Hate to hear you are having trouble. I would definitely try the ELDX!! Using loose powder you should be able to find something that works. I with you luck. Thanks for watching
Could you do a video on Hornaday XTP .44cal .240gr. or 300gr.with the green sabots?? That' s one of the first ones that showed up on the seen of the sabot bullets for inline muzzleloaders. I have a muzzleloader just like yours and it loves XTP's. I would love to see how the level up to the other bullets on your list.
I have the XTPs in 50 cal at 240grs that I will be doing the pellet test with. You are looking for .44cal with a 50cal sabot? Not sure I’ve seen those. But honestly I haven’t look. Thank you for watching and please let me know.
Yes, Hornaday makes the muzzleloader package with the sabots and the XTP 240grain bullets. I think it would be neat to see how the stack up against the newer projectiles.
I saw those at a gun store with the Hornady XTP 45 projectile in them. They had some sabots for a 45 cal bore but none, by themselves, for the 50cal bore. Might be worth a shot. Thank you for the info!! And thanks for watching.
Try varying your Sabots with projectiles and powders that you are getting flyers. A ribbed sabot like a Harvester may make a difference in the 3rd shot. Also, you can try slightly thinner Sabots, again Harvester makes them in different thicknesses. You may get a more consistent 3-shot group, although they might not all be touching, you may eliminate the flyer. I have experimented with this on my Knight disc Extreme .50 cal. And the sabot style and thickness really makes a difference in group sizing. Also, measure the diameter of the bore on your gun and then measure the diameter of the projectile sabots because the fouling may in fact be getting too tight for the combination you are using.
That would explain a lot. I just tested Thor projectiles that were given to me. Not realizing that you have to size your barrel I shot them. They were very tight and had the flier issue on pretty much every groups. Thank for the comment I will have to look into that. Thanks for watching
@@suburbanhunt3653 The other thing you can try to is, shooting the same setup, but shooting a 4th and 5th shot. Pay attention to the effort required to load the projectile and see where the shots are placed. If it is a fouling issue then those two shots should also be flyers. We know shot placement is number 1 in a hunting situation, but I would rather have a setup where I have 3 to 5 shots that are consistent, without cleaning, rather than 2 great shots, and the rest are flyers. This would be important on a long wilderness-style hunting trip where you are not afforded the opportunity to clean in the field. It just all depends on the hunting situation really.
@@jerrydaniels7824 Funny you say that I'm picking up a Crossfire II for just that reason. I do love me a Vortex!!! Awesome Glass and you cant beat the warranty.
Another great video brother! Really appreciate all the time and effort you spend on all these videos. I’m learning a lot. We need a merch shop from you! I absolutely love the logo and need that as a sticker.
Thank you. We have a website but working on getting it updated to go live. Throw me an email and we will get you setup. SuburbanHunt365@gmail.com
In my opinion when you're hunting with a front stuffer, every shot is a clean bore shot. When I'm sighting in, or target shooting I run a wet patch down the bore, concentrate on the crud ring they all seem to leave behind, followed by another wet patch and then a couple of dry patches to dry things out. Try that sometime and see if your groups don't tighten up a bunch. SST's shoot great in all three of my CVA rifles with this method.
There is truth to that. I can only think of one time I reloaded after shooting and actually making another shot at a deer. The video for this coming Wednesday I tested making two shots and running a bore snake twice through the barrel. And with certain powders it made a HUGE difference. Also when I’m adjusting my scope to a combo I do clean the barrel between each shot to ensure the first round impact is at point of aim. Thank you for watching and commenting.
Your testing adds up with what I’ve found over the years. I will not shoot sabot bullets, they are to inconsistent and the grouping sucks. They may work for some people but me. To much plastic making contact with the riflings and once the sabot separates from the projectile the bullet is practically tumbling.
Thanks for letting me know. I have others that I plan to test. I guess we will see if that trend continues or my rifle just doesn’t like the 300gr SST. Thanks for watching
I love the Hornady 250 gr. SST's in my CVA Wolf. I get 1 1/2 inch groups in my rifle with 100 gr. (2 pellets) of Pyrodex. I tried 3 pellets, but they would not group very well at all in my rifle. I have taken 2 deer with this combination.
That’s awesome to hear!! I picked up a couple boxes of those too. Have you ran the 300gr? Curious on the comparison. It would seem the SST preferred the 100gr loads in mine as well.
I have not tried the 300 gr. I got suitable groups in the 250's a couple of years ago when powder/pellets and primers were harder to get, so I did not do a ton of testing once I got "good enough" groups in what I had on hand. If I were to change projectiles, it would probably be to either Hornady 290 FTX or 340 ELDX. @@suburbanhunt3653
Hey DJ. Another great video. I finally got out with my Optima this weekend. Used only 2 pellet white hot loads with 245 sst. I tried doing 3 shots then clean but my group's were everywhere almost always due to the 3rd shot. And that third load was very tight due to the crud ring. When i went to one shot or two shots then clean my groups finally stayed tight. Also had to run the o ring in the primer pocket due to blow by.
I'll be trying out the eldx and bore drivers this weekend but with blackhorn. I also don't want to have clean every other shot. I know the blackhorn would be very expensive for your testing but would probably be best for you to run on the hunt due to it's consistency over multiple shots without cleaning.
From the comments it seems that multiple shooters have the same wild 3rd shot. I’m going to run loose powder for my loads but will continue to test with pellets for those that run pellets.
Test with BH209 will get expensive but if we don’t test we won’t know. As for cleaning a bore snake is enough to clean the barrel. Easy enough to do in the stand if needed. Thanks for watching
Hey brotha forgot to let you know my results. Came up with my gun hates pellets I can not hit consistently with them. Blackhorn on the other hand is way better. The federal borlocks just suck in general which really sucks I really like the idea of that bullet. The boredrivers eld x did okay for me had to downcharge the powder charge it was over pressurizing for me and primer was getting stuck and imprinting the firing pin plate on it. The best groups I had were with the Barnes tez 250 grain one right on top of the other and one flyer. Not sure if it was me the gun or the bullet. I bought the loading jag for those bullets to see if that helps also got the 290 grain bullet to see if it does good. My hunt starts Saturday hopefully it’s successful
First of all, thank you for the update, and good luck this weekend. I am right there with you on the federal bore locks. Really wish they performed better. As for the group with the 250 grain as you can see in this video, the 1,2 with a flyer is getting to be more prominent. In the next video, I will be working on overcoming that. As always, thanks again for watching and again good luck this weekend.
@@suburbanhunt3653 thank you I’ll let you know the outcome with the Barnes loading jag plan on shooting it either today or tomorrow both 250 and 290 grain with 84 and 70 grain charges of Blackhorn
Hey Brandon I had the same issue with my Optima this weekend. Hornady eldx with blackhorn but was running 100gV. Snapping o-rings, imprinting the primer with the firing pin bushing and made a huge mess. But, my groups were awesome at 1 moa in 4 shots. That's good for me at least. I'm going with a much lighter sabot round to retest as well.
@@patheubel560 I don’t care for the eld x they fall apart too much. I retested with the Barnes loading jag of the 250 grain and 290 grain had no flyers basically touching except for me pulling to the right on one shot using 70 grains by weight my gun didn’t like the 84 grain by weight I had about 1.5 inch group at 100 yards with the 84 grains.
@@suburbanhunt3653 try the Barnes loading jag with the Barnes bullet it’s basically the size of the bore so you essentially push the bullet straight at least that’s their idea seems to work for me. I’d assume it would work well with other bullets also with plastic tips.
I believe your right on the sabot, I have never had very accurate shooting from them but like you say your gun and mine are different. 👍 good video and good info.
Thank you. You are right but enough people have the same experience then it it’s a trend. I plan to test the 250 SST and a 240XTP both Hornady sabots. After that we will see. Not looking good so far. Thanks again for watching
@@suburbanhunt3653 my pleasure to watch and learn, looking forward to the next one.
I get a 1-1/4 inch group in my traditions muzzleloader with 3 firestar pellets and the 300 sst
That’s awesome!! I have to say they did pretty good with the Optima V2 as well. Thanks for watching
PS. You running 250s or 300s?
O.K., D.J. Here we go. 95% of this is MHO and food for thought. I have never weighed 2 pellets that were the same weight. The more pellets you add to a charge, the more the weight variation comes into play. Pellets consist of controlled explosive material and a BINDER. Binders come into play during ignition. I do not think, with the igniters we have, primarily the 209, that we will ever reach acceptable, repeatable ignition with more than 3 pellets of any kind, and even 3 can be a struggle That is why I don't use them. I wish I could, but I can't accept the accuracy I get with pellets (any, and all, with White Hots edging out all others in my gun) vs. what I get with carefully weighed charges. That's enough for now. Keep up the good work! P.S. Your gun exhibits what I call the 2 and 1 syndrome. You might want to look at the bedding of the forend. Best.
Bedding on a muzzleloader? Interesting thought honestly never crossed my mind til this moment. Thank you! I agree 100% with everything you said. The reason I continue the pellets is that I assume more people are going to use them rather then loose. I’m 1000% on the accuracy comment!!! Next weeks video I weight out the pellets for the same weight charge…. It’s show the other side of weighed charges. 1 grain make a big difference and how do you get consistent weights…ie how many pellets would you go through to get the same 90grain by weight out of your pellets? It just doesn’t make sense to use them. Unless you are ok with groups they provide. Thank you for watching and commenting. What’s your go to load?
I agree with everything you've said. I get poked fun for carefully weighing my Blackhorn 209. Are T7 pellets acceptable to harvest whitetail ethically at 150 yards? Absolutely! But if I can make my groups tighter, shoot flatter, and not have the woes of cleaning associated with T7....I'm all in. Who doesn't want better accuracy and a powder that's shelf stable for LONG periods of time? Shit, I know I do!
@@matthewnoll7028 Facts!!
I have found coppedjacketed bullets accurate enough sure yes...But as far as performance goes, they never open reliably
That’s copper jacket as a whole? I heard that about PowerBelt but I see how that would make sense. Thank you.
I've taken 13 large northern whitetails With Hornady SST 250 low drag and white hots in 150 and 100 GR , the difference is with 100 GR..Deer run off a ways before falling down, and the 150 gr, ..They don't run anywhere, they just tip over!
I have the 250gn. I will have to give them a good. Thanks for watching
In my CVA Optima I get great groups with the SST 300 grain. I had horrible accuracy with the Powerbelts. Just shows each rifle is an individual. Also, in a muzzleloader, I wonder if 3 shot groups are really a good metric. I hunt with my gun but never have taken a second shot, but really the 2 shot performance would be more important than the three shot group, IMO.
Agreed every rifle is different. As for the 3 rounds I also agree that a more rounds would give you more data points to consider. I'm already running 27 rounds with the test I'm doing. To run a five round group would jump that up to 45 rounds per video. We are not sponsored so every thing comes out of pocket. Thank you for watching.
Regards our comments on one of your vids, I did weigh the 777 pellets and have a variation of as much as 3 grains across the lot. Took the lowest weight and sandpaper and quickly brought all of them to weigh the same. No idea if it helps with flyers yet.
I did similar. I weighed them out until I got 3/3 of the same consistent weight. I am actually headed to the range now to test. It will be on this coming week video. If it turns out like I think it will be a strong argument or loose powder.
Personally, I have moved away from sabot rounds. So many choices now with skirts or even no skirts and just a concave base to expand out and catch the barrel grooves. Sabots, I think, are on the way out across the board.
I have to honestly agree with you. The skirts have done better on average. Barnes 290 TEZ did ok. I have heard a lot about Thors and look forward to testing them.
Maybe the sabot fouling the barrel more than the crud from the pellets? Just a thought.
Very true!!! The sabot projectiles vs the actual 50cal. The bore size seem to do better.
i always used the 250 grain sst out of my savage smokeless with awesome results. Now trying them out out of a cva wolf v2 with 2 pellets of triple 7 with good results but further testing is needed as its a brand new set up
I do have a couple boxes of the 250gn. I will run them through pellet challenge and compare. Thanks for watching. Again please let me know how the CVA test come out. I love to compare the two.
@@suburbanhunt3653 that would be awesome because I'm really interested in blackhorn 209 after this season is over. Thanks for all the content
I hope they started making the SST projectiles softer than they were 10 years ago. A few of my hunting buddies and I all used either the SSTs or the Shockwaves. Most of us used a 2 pellet load. The only one of us who actually had proper expansion out of these bullets was using 3 pellets. All of us who used 100gr (2 pellets) had zero expansion and usually long tracking jobs.
This is not an assumption based solely upon exit holes or terminal performance as we had recovered multiple projectiles over the years. All of the recovered projectiles either remained perfectly intact, with the tip slightly blunted or the nose of the bullet would shear off. None of the bullets actually expanded beyond the original bullet diameter.
@@slimjimmy229 thanks for the information!! I’m hoping that using the ribbed sabots help but if the expansion isn’t there there the accuracy is only half the battle. Best of luck in future hunts. Thanks again for in the knowledge.
I have a TC Omega and I’ve tried power belts and they grouped terrible. I’ve tried the Bore-Loc and they wasn’t good. I’ve tried the 240 grain XTP and they didn’t group well. Now I’ve tried the shockwave and the low drag 250 grain and both of them the first 2 shots are touching at a 100 yards but then they start spraying out. I use triple 7 loose powder and swab between each shot. I make sure my barrel isn’t too warm. I’ve had a hard time finding anything that shoots consistent. But I’m thinking about the ELDX.
Hate to hear you are having trouble. I would definitely try the ELDX!! Using loose powder you should be able to find something that works. I with you luck. Thanks for watching
Could you do a video on Hornaday XTP .44cal .240gr. or 300gr.with the green sabots?? That' s one of the first ones that showed up on the seen of the sabot bullets for inline muzzleloaders. I have a muzzleloader just like yours and it loves XTP's. I would love to see how the level up to the other bullets on your list.
I have the XTPs in 50 cal at 240grs that I will be doing the pellet test with. You are looking for .44cal with a 50cal sabot? Not sure I’ve seen those. But honestly I haven’t look. Thank you for watching and please let me know.
Yes, Hornaday makes the muzzleloader package with the sabots and the XTP 240grain bullets. I think it would be neat to see how the stack up against the newer projectiles.
Great video 👍
Thank you and thank you for watching
Harvester crush rib sabots help on accuracy with the sst
I saw those at a gun store with the Hornady XTP 45 projectile in them. They had some sabots for a 45 cal bore but none, by themselves, for the 50cal bore. Might be worth a shot. Thank you for the info!! And thanks for watching.
Thor bullets are my go to bullet
Good deal!! Just wish they were a little cheaper 😜
Try varying your Sabots with projectiles and powders that you are getting flyers. A ribbed sabot like a Harvester may make a difference in the 3rd shot. Also, you can try slightly thinner Sabots, again Harvester makes them in different thicknesses. You may get a more consistent 3-shot group, although they might not all be touching, you may eliminate the flyer. I have experimented with this on my Knight disc Extreme .50 cal. And the sabot style and thickness really makes a difference in group sizing. Also, measure the diameter of the bore on your gun and then measure the diameter of the projectile sabots because the fouling may in fact be getting too tight for the combination you are using.
That would explain a lot. I just tested Thor projectiles that were given to me. Not realizing that you have to size your barrel I shot them. They were very tight and had the flier issue on pretty much every groups. Thank for the comment I will have to look into that. Thanks for watching
@@suburbanhunt3653 The other thing you can try to is, shooting the same setup, but shooting a 4th and 5th shot. Pay attention to the effort required to load the projectile and see where the shots are placed. If it is a fouling issue then those two shots should also be flyers. We know shot placement is number 1 in a hunting situation, but I would rather have a setup where I have 3 to 5 shots that are consistent, without cleaning, rather than 2 great shots, and the rest are flyers. This would be important on a long wilderness-style hunting trip where you are not afforded the opportunity to clean in the field. It just all depends on the hunting situation really.
@@vtexcrsnI couldn’t agree more. Thanks for everything
Maybe do all the pellets and end up with Blackhorn 209 and see the difference.
I plan to do a separate Blackhorn 209 video for each. Just the pellets alone make for a long run day. Thanks for watching
Hey wanted to ask you which pellet seems to be the cleanest burning and which one produces the smallest crud ring if any?
As far as the crud ring with pellets I have to say WhiteHots are the better choice.
What kind of scope are you using
I'm using the Konus 3-9X40 that came on it from Walmart.
I would get a vortex and don't look back. I garantee your groups will get smaller.
@@jerrydaniels7824 Funny you say that I'm picking up a Crossfire II for just that reason. I do love me a Vortex!!! Awesome Glass and you cant beat the warranty.