A380 Pilot Miscalculates Approach
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- Опубликовано: 24 окт 2023
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Emirates Airbus A380 low go around in Nice, France
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What I love most about 3minav is no commentary.
That gear up landing was smoother than some gear down landings.
A lot quieter too
It was the mustache!
RyanAir moment
It's because they had a Camera man in the cockpit! Clever move!
Mad props to the King Air pilots. Masterful landing considering the circumstances
"Mad props".... no pun intended.
The view of the landing, through the HUD, was way cool!
I just posted the same comment, then saw yours and deleted mine. 👍 yours! That part was one of my favorite parts of these videos ever.
Def
I swear I was looking at a flight simulator for a few seconds.
Butter with a little silk mixed...Well done Captain...
@@Battleneter I had the same feeling
for some reason that emirates A380 looks so badass
Just 4 clips in this 3 minutes aviation video ? Not bad👍. I think the King Air pilots did a pretty good job of doing a belly landing
That's gonna leave a mark tho
I like how the voice calling height anticipates so that the moment it's finished saying the word (the the human brain perceives it with like, a 0.1s delay) it's ACTUALLY AT THAT HEIGHT. Very clever.
Why you wrote the the human brain
😂 It's called anticipation and it was invented by the human brain. Very clever.
It's a bit rude in the way it shouts "retard" at the pilot though.
Not exactly, the voice says a height and the altimeter indicates an altitude. There is no really anticipation, just the difference between height and altitude.
You anticipated my comment by 5 hours.
A380 pilot: Anybody hear the callout for minimums yet? 😁
Boeing pilot wandered onto the wrong equipment...😂
Why would he want to know minimums on visual approach?
@@Egipskimessi You would be a fun guy to have at a party..........
I am so very sorry 😞 but I did not hear any 📞 callout for minimums at all 😢
Call out? I tell my plane how to fly. Not the other way around.
The King Air belly landing looked well controlled as did the pilots from the in cabin view. Very good.
Its a Airbus A380 not a Beachcraft King Air.
Never get tired of seeing the A380
What a stunning view of the A380 landing in Nice !! Spotters paradise ❤❤
Thank you. I was about to ask where that was.
Yes, I thought it was Nice! Spectacular backdrop to the airport
It states Nice in the description 🙄
from good to great when the view of the beach landing and the A380 turns into silhouette... 😍
Some might even say it was jaw dropping
Love your work buddy appreciated 👍🎉
Why do i binge watch this man
22 landings at Nice are tricky (and not too common either), you only get visual with the runway about 2 miles out due to the turn onto final being late to avoid the terrain. A lot happening on that approach,
I always found them great fun. This particular approach is difficult for many because they lack practice performing “low” turns onto final. Remembers at two miles you must not be much above 650 feet. They have been all but prohibited by “stabilised approach” rules so not surprisingly, people bugger them up.
Yes, this Airbus was a little too hight and late for turn. I remember I have seen in the same place an Easy Jet who overshooted the approach, flying over the old city, came too low and was unable to find the good speed (large variations of the throttle). And people seen a Saoudia and a Aeroflot completely lost, passing low over the Col de Villefranche...few years ago... Angry inhabitants complained, and that was published in the local newspapper...
I have flown into Nice about 5 times and thought I recognised it so checked the comments. The opening scene just screams South of France
Love the views from the pilots perspective
I love that Airbus added a feature that calls the pilot a 're****' right before landing.
(Yes, I know its referring to the flare sequence.)
I always wondered about how the Airbus HUDs' looked in operation. So cool!
I like these short and sweet videos. They don't waste my time. thanks
I really enjoy your channel and have subscribed.
I've done the NCE approach onto 22 a few times now and I have had two go arounds. First Time was due to a tailwind on the base leg of 48kts and we thought we made the turn early but it wasn't early enough and the speed would just not drop back. Second time we have the sun blaring in our faces and we couldn't see the PAPI's and by the time we did we have 4 whites at 300 feet. Takes very careful management and planning in any sort of obscure weather conditions
I'm not a pilot, but NCE sure looks tricky ! The nearby Cannes-Mandeulieu (LFMD) airport is awful to land on with crosswinds.
Yep! They have the Mistral winds that come down through the Rhone Valley! Have never done that approach myself! @@looped7979
What is 48kts? That can’t be a controllable airspeed.
For those who don’t know, PAPI is precision approach, path indicator. It gives glideslope information, in other words; are you flying at the right height relative to your intended touchdown point?
It’s four lights. Four white beans too high. Four red means to low. Two white and two red means you are on the proper glidepath.
So the 48 kts on base meant that our ground speed was 210kts on a turn 3 miles from the runway and we overshot the centre line and it made it very tricky to regain our lateral and vertical paths. So instead of chasing it we went around and did a second approach but started the turn for final earlier the second time and we were lower so we could bleed off the speed by being level on final for around 1 mile. @@logicalblackman8228
@@looped7979 , LFMD is really not a big deal in crosswinds. At LFMD (like many airports in France), you have to worry about flying too low: fly too low and the neighbors start complaining about noise pollution (especially if it is during lunch time).
Such a great channel. ❤
I have been in civil aviation for over thirty years, but I still look fascinated at a flying plane.
Nice Cote d'Azur Airport is one of the best flights; half the enjoyment of the trip is the landing and take-off.
Love it.
Hyères Toulon, not so far away, with the turn over the 3 islands is a gem ❤.
Keep it up Bro
The gear up landing one, hats off for the pilots, so calm as if they are performing a normal landing!
Waving your arms in the air screaming "OH SHIT we're gonna die" does not help.
Were they controlling the sliding with rudder?
@@hotrodray6802 The opposite of "being calm" is not necessarily what you wrote!
Just love the A 380 what a beautiful plane!❤
First video was beautiful!
Amazing view of A380 go-around
Thank you fir sharing.
Non-pilot aviation enthusiast here. At 1:35 Why not land in the grass? Seems like it would be less damaging to the aircraft, and less likely that a spark would cause a fire.
Grass is soft and if the plane digs in and flips over your bad day has just gotten a lot worse. Retractable gear planes are reinforced on their underside for gear-up landings. The engines and props are toast, but the rest of the plane is (relatively) fine.
@@marsgal42 I see. Thanks for the reply, and also thank you for being civil. I appreciate both!
@@marsgal42 Dod you see the guy doing a similar landing, but killing the engines just before landing, so the props stopped and he didn't have to do the mandatory teardowns?
@@marsgal42engines won’t be toast. Not on a turbine. On a recip, if you shut them down before touchdown, they won’t need an inspection. If they are kept running, they could be damaged due to sudden stoppage and need to be thoroughly inspected.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 Short answer: you've just had a very expensive day.
Long answer: if you do everything exactly right you may in fact save the engines and props. I wouldn't bet on it. See Lycoming SB533C, Pratt & Whitney SIL GEN-135, and so on.
As usual simply eye popping at times!
Bob
England
Great video!
Nice
Fretting from Massachusetts 🇺🇸
SPECTACULAR!!
Whoa the A380 is such a spectacular beast!!
exceptional gear up landing.
I'm imagining smokers below going full afterburner when the Embraer's fuel stream reaches them! (OK - so it will be too dissipated, but it's a funny vision, at least to me!).
The approach to Rwy 22L at Nice is one of the nicest approaches in France. Your final left hand turn is very close to the Promenade des Anglais. It is easy to fly, especially if you follow the profile on your approach charts. Overall though, I typically flew 20 sectors every week and many visual approaches. That is not permitted by some airlines as they are scared of flying and even more scared of letting their crews fly manually. So when they fly an approach that has to be flown manually…
Fuel leak or fuel dump? That appears to be a massive amount of fuel trailing the wing
Time to retire the ol workhorse 135/145
I don't think fuel dumping is a feature on any Embraer jets.
Most of the jets that have it are similar in size to a 767 or larger.
@@julianbrelsford There is often an overflow vent in that area. maybe a crossfeed pump stuck on?
@@julianbrelsford ALL planes HAVE to have the ability to dump fuel. It’s part of its safety envelope.
@@storminnormin4651nope, you’re wrong, only big planes can dump fuel
A380 pilot: Nice is a highly technical approach since pilots are not allowed to overfly local towns. The approach route means wings level is seconds before the actual touchdown. Really hard to judge in a super jumbo like A380. Go arounds are not uncommon even in smaller passenger jets depending on wind direction.
You are right. Approaching Nice form the east is tricky indeed. Usually westerly winds blow, and an easy approach to Nice would lead over the peninsula Saint Jean Cap Ferrat where the super rich reside, those that pay the politicians. So in order not to disturb their peace flying over the peninsula is banned, and a steep dive and a sharp turn leads planes to the runway. If a commercial jet crosses the billionaires´ resorts a high fine has to be paid. I once did such an approach.
At the airport the rich also have their own private terminal so as to avoid rubbing shoulders with proletarian earthlings.
Wow that was possibly the most spectacular go-around I’ve ever seen! 🥴
Sorry, as a pilot, I had to laugh.
I got to experience this exact scenario whilst jump seating into LGA.
It's a beautiful day, so the captain instructs the relatively new FO to fly a visual approach.
Came in way too high, and so a go-around
Great for me. I got another view of the NYC area from below 4000 feet :)
Visual approaches for newer airline pilots are a real learning curve.
Absolutely no disrespect to the A380 pilot, and the A320 pilots who were kind enough to give me a ride home.
emirates just recently started useing a380's to Côte d'Azur again in june for first time since 2020,it can be a bitch of an airport to land at with the terrain and sudden crosswinds and this happens all the time! On the plus side it is the french riviera and its not hard on the eyes at all
you have to do visual approach in Nice, it's not even because it was a specially beautiful day. Basically you start the approach, it's an RNP and before final turn you have to continue visual. Some companies have the visual part coded in the FMS as well, so you can do it with automation...
Crosswinds are yet another learning curve for low timers.
Especially those moving from a small high wing piston aircraft like a Cessna 172, where we "wing low" into the wind...vs a jet, which is purely crab, then rudder kick over the just beyond the runway threshold.
@@roobear78
Pilots with 1,500 hours of piston muscle memory have to break a lot of habits when handed a visual approach in a airliner. Instrument approach for them? No problem.
@@jimmiller5600 Indeed- of all the AC i'd like to fly into Nice, the a380 isn't one of them!
To be fair, landing a 380 on that wee patch of reclaimed land at Nice is not easy, and when down, stopping it even less so.
I've watched these from the time they started flying in and out of Nice and am constantly amazed that they even try - but what a sight it is.
The runway is quite long tough
@@looped7979 and...the runway is tough though ...
the FPV in th HUD is just the best thing ever. you probably don't even need any other instruments if you have that.
nice airplane video
That A380 did the go-around because Nice is so beautiful they wanted the passengers to see it all twice
Just did 2 of the same 2 first approaches last week!
That King air landing was better than Spirit 😂
An Emirates A380 also had a near one over Russia a few years ago where the pilot nearly landed 8 miles short of the runway. It was dark, and I think he only realised at about 350 ft...!
1:11 wish I could be on that yacht seeing that 🤩
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04L and 04R at Nice airport are just 2742 and 2960 metres. More than enough for landing, but for take-off it's barely enough, if the A380 is fully loaded.
Having said this, Nice airport has an impeccable reputation.
Raining jet fuel in Allentown? Sounds like an improvement.
@bst8733 I’ll say! I stay out of there as much as I can. Haha.
Enjoyable
Bonjour de France. The A-380 miscalculated approach is in Nice Côte d'Azur.
I recently flew A380 & 777 Emirates Business class to Durban. Loved it. Then, a couple of weeks later, flew Jet2 economy to Greece. Absolutely hated it, more like Cattle Class. The seats were like a park bench with a bit of sponge on them.
Is there a correlation in pricing?
@@AMNBatSE Ha, yes.
I was once on a 727 lining up for runway 4L at Boston/Logan...looked out the window to see a Northwest DC-10 next to us, headed to 4R. At a safe distance, but that thing looked huge from my position. Both touched down at the same time.
Picture resolution has gotten so sharp it almost looks like cgi👍
I wonder if we'll get to see the cockpit view of the recent Horizon Air near disaster.
Not exactly a fuel leak on the 145 but the float valve opening to relieve excess wing tank pressure, possibly due to over fuelling.
Causing the fuel to….. wait for it…. LEAK
But he is inflight. If he had over fueled, it would’ve stopped already. Engines burn fuel.
Give this man a break - this is the RNP D followed by the VPT D to 22L in Nice, France. This is not an easy one to fly especially from the right hand seat because it needs a visual turn to intercept the *offset* PAPI which you can't see because your captain is in the way. I have personally butchered 😀 this approach so I feel for whoever had to fly the G/A here.
PAPIS are vertical dude.. not horizontal.
@@Bartonovich52that’s not what he meant. 🤦🏻♂️. He meant when you come in at an angle, you can’t see the papi from the right seat to judge your altitude, until you turn final.
@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183 - Thanks, exactly.
1:58 Was that a really long floater?
The stall warning is going on for what seems like way too long, & they touched down quite far down the runway. Was that even a stall warning, or something else?
All bumpy & swerving after touchdown but - a safe landing nonetheless - I agree with the caption.
Probably a no landing gear warning.
Yeah. No drag.
Some people advocate for shutting down engines and feathering props too. Just think about how long it would have floated then?
Does not happen often, but I was on a commercial flight that made 2 go arounds prior to a successful landing. Cause was weather.
0:44 Please lookup definition of spectacular 😂
Spectacular because it’s in Nice. Awesome scenery all around
It was spectacular.
The a380 go around looks more like a wise choice due to wind rather than a miscalc
Would it have been better for the gear up aircraft if they landed on the grass? Just thinking it cause less damage.
Never knew they could get a 380 into Nice. It’s a tiny airport. Strange runway over the sea.
A big airport in terms of services.
They have flights to Dubai, Qatar, Beijing (at least pre-covid, not sure now) and New York.
Its located at a river delta; only place where you can place an airport there.
Nice airport have a 2963 m south runway, and was able to receive the Concord... 🤩 Problem would be the post-combustion noise for take-off 😛. We are n° 2 for France and n°5 in Europa for number of passagers , and AA will open Nice Philadephia next year in April.
Usually south runway is for take off, and north runway for landing. Theorycally , the 2 runways are too close for simultaneous use... We are not in Chicago !
King Air landing = Cool heads, good hands!
I’m amazed on how the Vref of a A359 is way lower of the one of a 737
How do we not know that ATC may have advised the A380 to go around?
What did that onboard computer call that pilot @ 1:23? Insulted him, it did! 😆
GOOD.
I didn’t know A380s squeaked so much around turns. 😁 0:16
😂 background music?
LOL the A380 makes happy porcupine noises 😅
SINK RATE ! SINK RATE ! 😂
2:38
Well, technically that's a chemtrail.
😅
Technically, yes. But not in the looney sense, so DON'T GET THEM STARTED!!!
I know that TCAS is supposed to warn us of nearby planes, but when they are on a parallel landing or takeoff it gets annoying because it’s not, they won’t like crash
2:26 I’ve experienced worse landings with the gear down!
Where was the A380 landing? What a spectacular view.
Nice
🎉
First one : what a view... 😍😍
which airport is that
LFMN
Nice Cote d'Azur (southern France, about 30km from the Italian border).
We owe you two seconds of aviation.
Not really, the intro and ending are 10 seconds long each!
We can safely assume the A380 pilot was attempting a 'showing-off', knowing that he is being watched.
When in doubt, go around. Flight crews are paid by the minute. A 20-minute go-around pays the bar bill for the whole crew.
I recently had the thought that gear up landings might better be attempted on the grass next to the runway than the actual runway to minimize damage to the aircraft. I don't personally think that there would be much of an increase in fire danger. Well, one might ask what is the benefit? If the aircraft can be repaired, I think the damage might be less on grass than on a hard surface. An safety wise, it's possible that there would be less danger of fire than if landed on the runway with gear up. I don't know and think a pilot in this dilemma could ask for such an option?
Runway is the safer option. Soft surfaces actually increase the risk of severe damage
ah i love being an avgeek and watching plane videos
I have often wondered why gear-up landings are not performed on grass instead of asphalt, in order to reduce the chance of a fire...
Because grass causes a lot more damage including the danger of the plane flipping over (especially smaller planes).
Also fires on crash landing are usually not caused by the friction on the runway.
How comes the missed approach ?With state of the art technology
Gear up pucker factor 10+
I want to live in that apartment in Nice. What an AV enthusiasts paradise.
If you had that sort of money I'm guessing you could probably just buy a plane.
Cote d'azur is very expensive
@@jazubax , no more than Paris. People get by with under 2500€ per month. A good salary here is considered 50k a year. (BTW, I live in Nice.)
Some wind there.
"Spectacular" go around? Hardly. Seems like a normal go around to me.
Spectacular because of the scenery. This is in Nice
@@johngreen6783 : Most of the scenery was water. Not spectacular.
The emirates airbus A380 performs a spectacular go around after... realizing that he's supposed to land an A380 in fracking Nice...
(yea yea, it can be done I know, you know what else can be done ? Landing a C130 on the USS Forrestal ... )
What he call me @ 1:22 ?
as soon as you see yourself in an A380 and pitch is in the negatives, gear up and go around. lol
King Airs kick ass,!
02:24
Nunca en la historia se ha visto a dos argentinos callados durante más de 5 segundos!! 😮
Wait you can go around when high on profile? I thought you have to crash into a village like Turkish Cargo 6491.
Xbox series X or S?
Colecovision?
Now that's what I call a Nice Missed Approach
..😢anticipated my pun😢
That's not a fuel leak. It's the surge tank venting fuel.
Side note - to any A380 guys
...love to know how much fuel is burned on a go-around, re-sequencing, and landing.
I'll wager about 1000 gallons/6700 pounds.
Ouch.
A lot less than crashing and it all burning up around you.
If I recall correctly, we did touch and goes in a B747 in a visual pattern, which would burn around 2500 lbs. per completed circuit. But that was a few years ago, so I might be wrong.
@@hotrodray6802 😂
Gracias!@@rtbrtb_dutchy4183