@@dariog9029 It can haze or clear smog too. Plus other tools like : -Will-o-wisp -Pain split More niche : -Acid Spray -Destiny bond -Rain dance -Sunny day And if you don't like neutralizing gas, you can still play levitate and more niche for the galar form Misty surge (but that's the second worst field now...). Imagine cutting of half of the attack of Ursaluna, can use fake out or other priority against Farigiraf, using status move on Gholdengo, not letting any terrain or weather being use, removing swift swim or Clorophylle on the ennmies and the ghost type can be attacked by ursaluna blood moon !
I don't necessarily agree. What made series 6 annoying was the fact that they banned way to much pokemon as it took into consideration both singles and doubles ladder. They only banned the legends/paradox pokemon here and I think the pokemon we do get gives us a lot of variety. I could be wrong though. I do think my favorite regulation was either reg A or B. (I am just glad we don't have to fight Urshifu).
These type of restrictions are not necessarily meant to promote diversity. They’re meant to explore options outside of the typical meta defining pokemon we normally see. Like every game, there will always be a meta. This one will be no different. There will be mons that appear on a majority of teams that are powerful. It’s still a refreshing take for the competitive scene tho
I hope you're right! I think at every event, there will be a new Dondozo team that beats the current common Dozo counterplay and will do decently well in Day 2 of Regionals.
Having played some on the showdown b01 ladder my thoughts are: Palafin is good, but it can be hard finding ways to get safe pivots. People will overcommit to stoping it, which you can abuse. Specs gholdengo feels really good so far. Not as much incin as youd think. People want to use different stuff i guess. Hatt feels pretty strong tbh. Spore immune and eforce with life orb is cracked. Blood moon players need to revamp their sets a little. The old life orb set isnt it in this reg. Their arent nearly as many electric types running around and their isnt an overpowering ghost type either. So it feels worse onbthe defensive side then it did before. I think with some adaptation itll be back. Maybe with a tera fairy set using moonblast and earth power for very strong overall coverage? Idk but it needs to be worked on.
People also didn't use Inceneroar much for a while when it became legal in gen 9, it will drop in usage for a few weeks but eventually will be in every team again.
i gonna try this: Inci Gholdengo Pelipper Rillaboom Palafin Kingambit Probably try with guss too but i think this team should be great Dondozo Tatsugiri with Inci and Rillaboom might be interesting in regulation G, we saw Electabuzz with Calyrex ice, maybe this team can surprise people with Armarouge instead of Calyrex (i mean this team: Ursaluna, Smeargle, Farigiraf, Electabuzz, Annihilape and Armarouge)
driftblim is insane is the only flying type that learns trick room that makes it the best trick room setter for earthquke trick room , and its 1 of the only 3 pokemon that learn tailwind + trick room thats makes it so good in mid tier speeds that u dont know what route ur oppenent went
First thoughts only two mons in, base Scarlet / Violet had some of the worst Electric-type support ever. It should be better now with added mons, right?
Hisuian Decidueye with scrappy matches up well against Donsdozo, Iniceroar, Goldango and Rillaboom. And it has tailwind and its signature move is really good.
Dozo is a big one, you can even run Haze if you don't want to try to crit Leaf Blades. Lots of folks use Flamigo as a faster Scrappy user to outspeed and OHKO Gholdengo, Incin, and Rillaboom as an alternative to Decidueye
There are virtually no fairy, electric and fighting types in this meta, we have them but they are either not that strong or get countered pretty hard. So, Normals and Dragons will probably run rampant. Even Snorlax might become good again :D
The Gardevoir disrespect was nasty. I was trying to see what you said about it only to realize you shoved it in D tier off camera lol. Telepathy with a Calm Mind - Dazzling Gleam set goes hard.
I could be entirely off base with this but from a casual spectator's perspective, Wide Guard really took off when they introduced the Calyrex and Terapagos, ursaluna blood moon, etc. I think it still gets a ton of value, but I'm not 100% if it'll still be as good as it was last format.
Garchomp Sand has potential. The best Chomp team in Reg F consisted of Garchomp, Ttar, Corviknight, Kommo O, Lycanroc, and a Pokémon I’m forgetting (probably Incineroar), and that was topping events in a meta with Flutter Mane and Ogerpon.
hhhh really appreciate all your content Talon but probably update this tier list asap😂 since some of these picks are just way off hhhh. Like Primarina is arguably the best water mon in regulation H…
Primarina in C tier is crazy. Atleast B tier possibly A depending on how the meta develops. She has great stats and water fairy is one of best types in game. Especially cause rain is going to likely be most dominant weather
@@TalonVGC I’ve really not run into as many dozo teams as I was expecting. I think everyone figures dozo is going to be dominant so a lot of people are preparing for it. But I’ve only made it to the middling elos on showdown
I thought you would at least talk about haxorus, he is one of the few mons that can massive damage to archaludon. And can threaten ursaluna quite easily. Also Tera ghost eelektross can wall ursaluna as it can disable minds eye.
@TalonVGC The fact that it can hit Incin at Neutral no matter what Tera is something that can't be downplayed. Hopefully, more Hisuian forms shine as well.
Yes, Neutralizing Gas is a great ability, but there are teams that would appreciate a passive Amoonguss Spore, Thunder Wave block that also has great utility in Taunt and can 1v1 Ursh with its phys bulk Rocky Helmet and Strange Steam
Yo I tried your team out with don+tatsugiri and choice band dragonite. I’ve won so far 6 out 7 matches I find my self not bringing my legendary that much
Do we think this is the format to make Upper Hand mainstream? Edit: Mainstream maybe too strong a word... But it feels like the punishment for incorrect reads will be less than before and the benefit will be basically the same.
Thoughts now that I'm basically through the whole thing. Some mons to watch, depending on how the meta evolves, Shiftry and Metagross if Snow is strong or Grimmsnarl if Prankster Misty Terrain becomes valuable. I see a chance that Thunder Wave makes a huge resurgence. What will be that common team archetype that never really makes day 2, but for some reason is all over day 1, so you need an answer to? The addition of a bunch of mons isn't the only big change since early formats. TMs have added a lot more availability to a lot of moves. Dragapult and Brambleghast both get Poltergeist now. Is there a chance that instead of Haze you run Psych Up on Palafin? Knock Off is WAY more common than it was in earlier formats. Scald exists now, which it didn't before. Is Scorching Sands anything? I don't know. Will Stellar Tera be good?
Looking at my boxes of insane random idea on Showdown again, I kind of want to test out Stellar / Adaptability Dragalge in this format if there's a good Trick Room core it fits with.
@@seanammon6993 You don't get the Stellar Boost and STAB/Adaptability for your first Dragon and Poison moves? And yah, Dragalge always seems like it should have some kinda niche. Having the Poison to cover for Fairy type being immune to Dragon always seemed strong.
@@TalonVGCweavile has fake out and is now one of the fastest pokemon in the format, also has a good matchup against amoogus and rillaboom and all of the dragon types
@@rashawn3718Ehh weavile isn't a great fake out user. The mon, fine, but it wants to run both sash and clear amulet, items in high demand, and isn't the best user of either item. And unlike pao weavile doesn't do anything that passively benefits its partner. Its not terrible and I mightve put it in C, but unless I'm proven wrong and your proven right I can't imagine it getting into the coveted b and up tiers
@@TalonVGC I think P2 should be High A or low S, like in swsh it was literally just a P2 meta when everything got banned. Also normals will be really strong this format
I used an existing tierlist with all fully evolved Pokemon. the best move would probably be to get a list for all legal Pokemon from Regulation F and use that as a base
@@TalonVGC yeah thats what ive tried but what have u wrote at the search bar, cuz i wroted pokemon scarlet violet and still havent found the right page
hey man why jolteon so low? maybe wont be meta defining but its one of the best Sattackers with 130(literly only 4 pokemon outspeed it the whole format) speed and 110 S.attack , and has all the good electric moves electro web discharge volt switch and insane random move caverage + volt absorb to safely switch it in vs a cover move and there literly no other beter electric pokemon that alone should be bit higher no? espreseon the same maybe there is a lot of psychic mons but is the fastest phsychic with 110 speed and 130 S.atk the only pokemon with more S.Attack is 29 speed and learns expanding force that at least should make it one of the best pokemon for none trick room psy spam that is top tier
@@TalonVGC galarian slow king easily sets trick room up and can set the snow swap it out hope for a knockoff switch of the Pokemon that has weakness policy and Bam you're sweeping as for Lapras I'll keep that little secret to myself
@@darkknight155 I ain't going to say it my guy, because everyone else going to try to make it happen before I make it happen only the locals know what I'm about 😎
Ain’t no way bro said Metagross was weak. Built in clear amulet and fake out protection? 600 BST? Cracked defensive typing? Metagross will absolutely have a place in the meta.
I searched for fully evolved SV mons and removed legendaries and mythicals manually, a better approach is find a list with all Regulation F Pokemon and then remove legends, that way stuff like Clefairy and P2 are there
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Weezing is straight S tier imo. Turning off Dozo and taunt for amoonguss is crazy high value
Ability shield
To be fair who tf is using ability shield @@blare8411
@@blare8411 You have to commit Ability shield, there is better items in my opinion.
And knock off exist too.
Mmh... Nope
@@dariog9029 It can haze or clear smog too. Plus other tools like :
-Will-o-wisp
-Pain split
More niche :
-Acid Spray
-Destiny bond
-Rain dance
-Sunny day
And if you don't like neutralizing gas, you can still play levitate and more niche for the galar form Misty surge (but that's the second worst field now...).
Imagine cutting of half of the attack of Ursaluna, can use fake out or other priority against Farigiraf, using status move on Gholdengo, not letting any terrain or weather being use, removing swift swim or Clorophylle on the ennmies and the ghost type can be attacked by ursaluna blood moon !
This sounds like Series 6 last gen. Which seemed cool at the start... but devolved into Porygon-Z spam.
I don't necessarily agree. What made series 6 annoying was the fact that they banned way to much pokemon as it took into consideration both singles and doubles ladder. They only banned the legends/paradox pokemon here and I think the pokemon we do get gives us a lot of variety. I could be wrong though. I do think my favorite regulation was either reg A or B. (I am just glad we don't have to fight Urshifu).
@@curtisharder7112 Hopefully this will go better. I think the addition of the TMs, and potentially Stellar Tera, will be very interesting.
These type of restrictions are not necessarily meant to promote diversity. They’re meant to explore options outside of the typical meta defining pokemon we normally see. Like every game, there will always be a meta. This one will be no different. There will be mons that appear on a majority of teams that are powerful. It’s still a refreshing take for the competitive scene tho
@@jordannng7180 no matter what format is it there will always be a centrilized meta cause it's the nature of the game.
I think Dondozo being S is a reach, at most high A. Its been so long since reg A and people know how to outplay dondozo so much better.
I hope you're right! I think at every event, there will be a new Dondozo team that beats the current common Dozo counterplay and will do decently well in Day 2 of Regionals.
Having played some on the showdown b01 ladder my thoughts are:
Palafin is good, but it can be hard finding ways to get safe pivots. People will overcommit to stoping it, which you can abuse.
Specs gholdengo feels really good so far.
Not as much incin as youd think. People want to use different stuff i guess.
Hatt feels pretty strong tbh. Spore immune and eforce with life orb is cracked.
Blood moon players need to revamp their sets a little. The old life orb set isnt it in this reg. Their arent nearly as many electric types running around and their isnt an overpowering ghost type either. So it feels worse onbthe defensive side then it did before. I think with some adaptation itll be back. Maybe with a tera fairy set using moonblast and earth power for very strong overall coverage? Idk but it needs to be worked on.
People also didn't use Inceneroar much for a while when it became legal in gen 9, it will drop in usage for a few weeks but eventually will be in every team again.
What is Hatt? 🤔
@@marvinaleff4642 Hatterene
The trick is you don’t actually need to stop Palafin from transforming. It gets bullied by Rillaboom and doesn’t love Amoongus either
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Hattrene
i gonna try this:
Inci
Gholdengo
Pelipper
Rillaboom
Palafin
Kingambit
Probably try with guss too but i think this team should be great
Dondozo Tatsugiri with Inci and Rillaboom might be interesting
in regulation G, we saw Electabuzz with Calyrex ice, maybe this team can surprise people with Armarouge instead of Calyrex (i mean this team: Ursaluna, Smeargle, Farigiraf, Electabuzz, Annihilape and Armarouge)
driftblim is insane is the only flying type that learns trick room that makes it the best trick room setter for earthquke trick room , and its 1 of the only 3 pokemon that learn tailwind + trick room thats makes it so good in mid tier speeds that u dont know what route ur oppenent went
First thoughts only two mons in, base Scarlet / Violet had some of the worst Electric-type support ever. It should be better now with added mons, right?
I like Pawmot, but outside of that it looks like the Rotoms are the top Electric supporterz
Eviolite eelektrik with Tera ghost can wall ursaluna as it can disable mind’s eye.
Hisuian Decidueye with scrappy matches up well against Donsdozo, Iniceroar, Goldango and Rillaboom. And it has tailwind and its signature move is really good.
Dozo is a big one, you can even run Haze if you don't want to try to crit Leaf Blades. Lots of folks use Flamigo as a faster Scrappy user to outspeed and OHKO Gholdengo, Incin, and Rillaboom as an alternative to Decidueye
@@TalonVGC ok
Malamar can topsy turvy Dondozo which is broken against it ! It's a niche, but you can topsy turvy your Intimidate pokemon too !
There are virtually no fairy, electric and fighting types in this meta, we have them but they are either not that strong or get countered pretty hard. So, Normals and Dragons will probably run rampant. Even Snorlax might become good again :D
Best believe imma be trying to get pincurchin to work
The Gardevoir disrespect was nasty. I was trying to see what you said about it only to realize you shoved it in D tier off camera lol. Telepathy with a Calm Mind - Dazzling Gleam set goes hard.
Seems largely worse than Sylvein and Primarina unless I'm undervaluing Psychic typing and the (still middling) speed
I love alolan arcanine
I could be entirely off base with this but from a casual spectator's perspective, Wide Guard really took off when they introduced the Calyrex and Terapagos, ursaluna blood moon, etc. I think it still gets a ton of value, but I'm not 100% if it'll still be as good as it was last format.
Time to dust off the old download porygon2
And the ancient adaptability PZ from SWSH
I'm using big chomp again
Garchomp is really strong if you have levitate and flying types on your team (I also have telepathy gardevoir who kinda fucks)
Garchomp Sand has potential. The best Chomp team in Reg F consisted of Garchomp, Ttar, Corviknight, Kommo O, Lycanroc, and a Pokémon I’m forgetting (probably Incineroar), and that was topping events in a meta with Flutter Mane and Ogerpon.
Great vid brozno
No legendaries, EXCEPT GHOLDENGO!
hhhh really appreciate all your content Talon but probably update this tier list asap😂 since some of these picks are just way off hhhh. Like Primarina is arguably the best water mon in regulation H…
Primarina in C tier is crazy. Atleast B tier possibly A depending on how the meta develops. She has great stats and water fairy is one of best types in game. Especially cause rain is going to likely be most dominant weather
Yeah I think Prim is middle B tier, good typing stats and Haze access gives it a large enough niche over Sylveon
@@TalonVGC I’ve really not run into as many dozo teams as I was expecting. I think everyone figures dozo is going to be dominant so a lot of people are preparing for it. But I’ve only made it to the middling elos on showdown
@@TheRaggedFlygondozo is op
@@TheRaggedFlygonI have no idea why nobody plays dozo
My steel tera dragonite is about to carry once again
wildly disagreeing with a lot of your placements, talonflame in c is just criminal
“Meganium, .. trash”
WAITWAITWAITWAITWAIT NONONONO
Ibwas gwtting comfy with reg g but i just hated when i saw a certain matchup i knew id loae 😅 im looking at you calyrex and kyogre
I thought you would at least talk about haxorus, he is one of the few mons that can massive damage to archaludon. And can threaten ursaluna quite easily. Also Tera ghost eelektross can wall ursaluna as it can disable minds eye.
The thumbnail that had Bloodmoon as S had me chuckle uncontrollably.
It's at worst low A tier, I think S is a fair early call
@TalonVGC The fact that it can hit Incin at Neutral no matter what Tera is something that can't be downplayed.
Hopefully, more Hisuian forms shine as well.
Just a curious question
Do you think Galar weezing with Misty Surge would have seen play in past regulations if it didn't have neutralizing gas
Yes, Neutralizing Gas is a great ability, but there are teams that would appreciate a passive Amoonguss Spore, Thunder Wave block that also has great utility in Taunt and can 1v1 Ursh with its phys bulk Rocky Helmet and Strange Steam
Yo I tried your team out with don+tatsugiri and choice band dragonite. I’ve won so far 6 out 7 matches I find my self not bringing my legendary that much
It's an odd team, I like CSR better with Dozo personally
I think it's too early to make a tier list for Reg H, just wait like a week or 2 for the meta to actually develope but still, good video
Yeah these are just initial estimates of the format power level
How do you think Dozo player can solve the Rillaboom problem remove grassy terrain?
EQ gets its damage reduced in Grassy terrain
Probably run another move than Earthquake, Rock Slide isn't a bad substitute and can cause flinches
Run eelektrik eviolite and use electric terrain (totally viable counter play trust me)
Do we think this is the format to make Upper Hand mainstream?
Edit: Mainstream maybe too strong a word... But it feels like the punishment for incorrect reads will be less than before and the benefit will be basically the same.
empoleon also learns haze :)
Garchomp is an easy A tier. Definitely best than any other B tier.
Thoughts now that I'm basically through the whole thing.
Some mons to watch, depending on how the meta evolves, Shiftry and Metagross if Snow is strong or Grimmsnarl if Prankster Misty Terrain becomes valuable. I see a chance that Thunder Wave makes a huge resurgence. What will be that common team archetype that never really makes day 2, but for some reason is all over day 1, so you need an answer to?
The addition of a bunch of mons isn't the only big change since early formats. TMs have added a lot more availability to a lot of moves. Dragapult and Brambleghast both get Poltergeist now. Is there a chance that instead of Haze you run Psych Up on Palafin?
Knock Off is WAY more common than it was in earlier formats. Scald exists now, which it didn't before. Is Scorching Sands anything? I don't know.
Will Stellar Tera be good?
I WISH Dragapult got Poltergeist, it doesn't :(
@@GelyelFish wait really?! That’s crazy. I was sure. Huh.
I will keep faith in my froggy ninja boy! Im certain he can at least do something in the format! Maybe beside ape or archaludon
Farigaraff should be top of A or S tier IMO. A trick room, priority blocker is absolutely insane.
*stares in Bruxish*
21:04 lucario actually lost access to follow me
annihilape is op, like super op, I love destroying peoples strat and strong pokemon with just a trade
Looking at my boxes of insane random idea on Showdown again, I kind of want to test out Stellar / Adaptability Dragalge in this format if there's a good Trick Room core it fits with.
I KNOW that's something I've wanted to make work for so long
@@Kasaaz Unfortunately stellar tera and adaptability don't work that well. But I want to make Dragalge team work either way
@@seanammon6993 You don't get the Stellar Boost and STAB/Adaptability for your first Dragon and Poison moves?
And yah, Dragalge always seems like it should have some kinda niche. Having the Poison to cover for Fairy type being immune to Dragon always seemed strong.
Weavile in d teir is crazy after chien pao left the milk
Chien-pao isn't good for its typing, Sword of Ruin and imo Sucker Punch are what made it so strong and Weavile lacks those
@@TalonVGCweavile has fake out and is now one of the fastest pokemon in the format, also has a good matchup against amoogus and rillaboom and all of the dragon types
@@rashawn3718Ehh weavile isn't a great fake out user.
The mon, fine, but it wants to run both sash and clear amulet, items in high demand, and isn't the best user of either item. And unlike pao weavile doesn't do anything that passively benefits its partner.
Its not terrible and I mightve put it in C, but unless I'm proven wrong and your proven right I can't imagine it getting into the coveted b and up tiers
@@Joeybanananas I normally just bring a defiant or competive pokemon to punish intimidate
@@TalonVGCits typing hits so many pokemon for super effective or at least neutral
does this list not have p2 or clefairy?
I put clefable in clefairy's place, and forgot p2 but would put it in middle or low B tier
@@TalonVGC I think P2 should be High A or low S, like in swsh it was literally just a P2 meta when everything got banned. Also normals will be really strong this format
@@daphenomenalz4100 I think its weakness to Knock Off and passiveness against Gholdengo is a hugely overlooked weakness.
hello may u explain me how to get to that tier maker page with all of that pokemons list , i can find only pages with small amount of pokemons from sv
I used an existing tierlist with all fully evolved Pokemon. the best move would probably be to get a list for all legal Pokemon from Regulation F and use that as a base
@@TalonVGC any chance u send me a link to that list ?
@@BarVGC I don't have the link but try searching on tiermaker.com
@@TalonVGC yeah thats what ive tried but what have u wrote at the search bar, cuz i wroted pokemon scarlet violet and still havent found the right page
hey man why jolteon so low? maybe wont be meta defining but its one of the best Sattackers with 130(literly only 4 pokemon outspeed it the whole format) speed and 110 S.attack , and has all the good electric moves electro web discharge volt switch and insane random move caverage + volt absorb to safely switch it in vs a cover move and there literly no other beter electric pokemon that alone should be bit higher no? espreseon the same maybe there is a lot of psychic mons but is the fastest phsychic with 110 speed and 130 S.atk the only pokemon with more S.Attack is 29 speed and learns expanding force that at least should make it one of the best pokemon for none trick room psy spam that is top tier
How many people you expect to participate in baltimore?
Somewhere between 600 and 900 is my guess
Talonflame has upperhand (so do a lot of these mons) itll hurt incin a bit this reg I think
Everyone sleeps on Galarian Slowking and Lapras
why do you think so
@@TalonVGC galarian slow king easily sets trick room up and can set the snow swap it out hope for a knockoff switch of the Pokemon that has weakness policy and Bam you're sweeping as for Lapras I'll keep that little secret to myself
@@viviannabriano5645bro don't comment if your gonna gatekeep 😂
@@darkknight155 I ain't going to say it my guy, because everyone else going to try to make it happen before I make it happen only the locals know what I'm about 😎
@@viviannabriano5645 bro nobody knows who you are 😂 you don't have to gatekeep 😂
talon both dudunsparce and exeguttor are s tier
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Ain’t no way bro said Metagross was weak. Built in clear amulet and fake out protection? 600 BST? Cracked defensive typing? Metagross will absolutely have a place in the meta.
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Can you link the tier list maker you used?
I searched for fully evolved SV mons and removed legendaries and mythicals manually, a better approach is find a list with all Regulation F Pokemon and then remove legends, that way stuff like Clefairy and P2 are there
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Bro thr chimes in the back ruin the vid whyyyyyyy
I think that's background music, I'll try something different next time
@@TalonVGC appreciate it love your content and was enjoying then my gf pointed out there is a repetitive cymbal noise and I couldn’t unhear it😂
Who else doesn't use Legendaries in VGC because you feel like it's an unfair advantage?
But they can too?
Too bad they left rillaboom and incineroar amoognus to continue to plague the game
Guys start Playing regularion H in random games pls. Lets start now. Not wait😁