Yeah I was gonna say lol All it took to knock the cat from first place to _merely_ top 10 is a Pokémon that's a literal perfect counter combined with every meta comp having no good matchup for it to make headway in. Really is an "all that for a drop of blood" scenario lol
@@Ogerponyonow that I think about it, how are the Qwil stonks going? With Pelippee everywhere and Swift Swim + immunity to prankster and resists to both rage fist, isn't it doing decently?
He needs a third stage evolution. Give all those route 1 2 stagers from 15 years ago a third stage. Slap a bunch of stats on Bibarel give him an edgy paint coat, and make him viable. Same with Raticate, Mightyena, Watchog, Herdier, Sentriet, and Linoone. Give those old HM dumps some respect, they carried our playthroughs learning the moves we needed but never wanted, like cut, strength, and rock smash.
“I bought Moxie’s team building guideline. I wanted a Seviper team capable of plowing VGC 2025. He took my money, shot me with his handgun and left.” 2/5 stars on Yelp.
I mean considering it was on his team and he didn't win I'm sure he's not the most pleased, but he also started the tournament at 9-0, the best of anyone (18-0 in games, didn't drop a single one), so not that disappointed.
Good, I’ve been pretty casual, just playing on ladder sometimes since 2022 and I have only made around 2 teams that didn’t have an Incin. (Not including literally all of 2023 and Reg E lol). I need my goat back pls find him
I know the vid is about Incineroar, but what sticks out more to me than Incineroar being absent from the top teams at Worlds this year is the absurdly high usage of Urshifu. Who would have thought that a world where you can't double your HP and use Max Protect (or whatever it is called) to survive/block a normally literally unsurvivable/unblockable move that does apply weakness to it, that you can't reduce the damage with Intimidate/Charm/Baby-Doll Eyes, that can have its damage increased in Rain and with a user with great Attack stat would break the meta?
i just think it’s so crazy that most other ways to get around protect are risky (reading the protect and boosting) or low reward (feint has only 30 BP) where urshifu can just, ignore it
@@TempestsFury honestly I don't have a dragalge team, I just said it because Marcos said it during his pitch for the thing he's doing with helping ppl fix their teams
I remember what was happening when incin was introduced and people were calling it "worse Arcanine-h" He always comes back, it might not be in the same dominance, but he'll always be there running the meta
The thing is it still is amazing. It is by far the best intimidate user (Lando and H Arcanine have a place since they’re more offensive) it’s just that there is more intimidate counter play and there were a lot of good ground and fighting types because of Miraidon (most of the top 8 teams had Iron Hands or Lando I which both beat incin). It’s how metas work, incin just happens to be a normal meta Pokemon now.
@@warmblanket3394 Intimidate 2: lowers the attack stat of all opposing Pokémon on the field by 6 stages, and also lowers sp. atk stat by 3 stages because f*ck you.
@warmblanket3394 nah its gonna get a new intimidate where it lowers both physical and speacial attack. Its mega can be activated as long as it has the one move "world champ difference" this move will hit both opponents and go through protect and one hit ko any pokemon no matter what and has 100 pp and can never miss. It will have stats better than eternamax eternatus. Sounds balanced
No it will get follow me and it will have 120 on both its defence 130 on its attack 55 on its speed and breaking the norm (of megas) gain 30 HP (so 125) and it will have immunity to fake out and it’s ability ultra intimidate will lower both opposing attacks and special attack by 2 stages
Incin falling off is dire because the things it has been keeping in check are infinitely more annoying than John Gamefreak's fursona getting high usage
Both special and physical attack fairy steel it has a mega form the re activates the attack and special attack drops but it gives it levitate as well and primordial sea and Mold breaker can’t ignore it and even more min maxed stats giving it only 1 base attack and a special fairy fake out that’s 200 base power. And the ability also has disguise and good as gold built in.
Never thaugh i would say this but fluttermane actually controlled the meta in such a way that all really good mons of gen9( almost all) under control n allowed a lit bit better
ZAMAZENTA THE GOAT, always believed in him from the start (pokemon not giving him body press or making his unique move work the same way was criminal in sw/sh)
The metagame is currently dominated by high power special attackers. Soon, bulky special defenders will come and the meta will shift back to high power physical attackers before the 2 balance out more. Intimidate is a less than worthless ability when faced with special attackers and defiant Pokémon. Once players pick up on that special defender, Incineroar's return is inevitable. But if a bulky special defender never arrives, we'll be seeing a format fully dominated by special attackers. All that said, I've already figured out and tested the special defense answer. But I like Archaludon more than Incineroar so I'll keep my mouth shut a while longer :3
To use a flavorful allegory, the Pokémon scene turned into an MMA tournament where Incineroar's flashy wrestling moves and intimidating persona weren't of much help.
It takes 3 meta teams to be highly against it for it to fall off , thats just the nobility of the King , He is just taking a breather , The king will be back
Starting Metas are always built around what was good in the previous regulation. So everyone will have Incin counters, then once those counters start getting countered, Incin will be back. our favorite fire-type starter will always be relevant! The heel wrestler always comes back!
Incineroar's usefulness has always been tied to the strength if the targets it disrupts, so the lower power level of the current format hurts it, especially since it cant really disrupt the top pokemon of this format, and is a liability into many of the top archetypes. I think that too many of this formats top pokemon, like ursaluna bloodmoon and archaludon, are special attackers for incineroar to do much. Plus there are other options for incins one particularly good match up, psyspam. One pokemon that will help fill its place on teams is grimsnarl, a dark type with screens to reduce damage and thunder wave for speed control, since it does a similar role, while being better in incineroars worst match ups. I cant wait to be proven wrong when some pokemon we all forgot about because it hard loses to incineroar shows up and takes over the meta, requiring incineroar usage to keep it in check
As stated in the video, we just wait for Wolf to just win the tournament with the muscular cat and everyone will pick him up again. Just as everyone did the first time.
Ngl I have been loving the concept of blaziken (somebody else was already using iron fist infernape which was funny to hear in response) because it actually does super good into all of the teams who have been sticking towards early and old meta picks like the bear, mausape a little, and arch, who all lose to it
There’s also a bunch of new Pokémon and forms as well. Along with certain Pokémon getting moves they never had before or new moves that adds benefits to them. If anything Rillaboom seems to be the replacement of incineroar.
Sounds to me like Incineroat did it's job too well at the world championship. It eliminated all the restricteds it does beat, so by the time of top cut it was mich kess useful and essentially dead weight As for the current format, that just seems super hostile to incin in general, also some amount of "mon does better the higher the power level" syndrome I imagine
Well, the times when Incin has been successful before indeed were when there were also legendaries and overall higher power level of the format. I think this might be the first time for official format that Incineroar (after getting Intimidate) will be up against overall less powerful fellas, so it might be a case of the syndrome you mentioned.
Every time a big content creator makes a video like this the mon pops off right afterwards. Anyways I hope you're a big enough content creator now I'm tryna cut Louisville.
honestly I think that if people just went for a slightly more aggressive playstyle or something similar like that it could really end up making it just better than its alternative currently are
Aggron got access to Body Press in Gen 8, but it couldn’t take advantage of it due to Dynamax (and Rock/Steel sucks). With the potential reintroduction of Mega Evolution in Gen 10, we may have to deal with a base 230 defense Body Press user. Do you think that may cause some issues?
I think Incineroar will end up as a common flex-pick on standard cores. Its match up again PsySpam, Sun, & other less relevant cores makes it feel like a gatekeeper vs non-meta strats
Looking at the top 8 of Worlds it's pretty cool how diverse it is even with some Pokemon commonly used. I don't follow VGC closely so people can correct me but I'm kinda used to it typically being the same 3 or 4 Pokemon plus two flavor teammates of choice.
The only way I can see Incineroar completely falling off is if it loses a bunch of its important moves like U-Turn and Parting Shot which I could never see happening. If anything, this video has taught me that this will likely motivate Game Freak to buff Incineroar AGAIN in Gen 10. Probably.
Posted after Baltimore: Incineroar when Marcos said he’s washed 👏🏽😼
Can’t believe we’re in the timeline where Incineroar is having fraud allegations
Lando-T used to be top dog but then he fell off I guess now it’s Incineroar’s turn.
Fraudroar
Incinaroar is Mr beast confirmed? :0
My bro’s just like fraudkuna
Wolfey will be proud
Cats always land on their feet
Unless a bear (Urshifu) attacks (252 atk surging strikes) them
Yeah I was gonna say lol
All it took to knock the cat from first place to _merely_ top 10 is a Pokémon that's a literal perfect counter combined with every meta comp having no good matchup for it to make headway in.
Really is an "all that for a drop of blood" scenario lol
People need a Dark Type Intimidate Pokémon? Mightyena, it’s finally your time to shine! You might finally have a use!
Overqwil fans when they can use their favourite pokemon
@@Ogerponyonow that I think about it, how are the Qwil stonks going? With Pelippee everywhere and Swift Swim + immunity to prankster and resists to both rage fist, isn't it doing decently?
nah tera dark lando t
He needs a third stage evolution. Give all those route 1 2 stagers from 15 years ago a third stage. Slap a bunch of stats on Bibarel give him an edgy paint coat, and make him viable. Same with Raticate, Mightyena, Watchog, Herdier, Sentriet, and Linoone. Give those old HM dumps some respect, they carried our playthroughs learning the moves we needed but never wanted, like cut, strength, and rock smash.
@@VaporeonEnjoyer1 super agreed! Some of them could even get a comeback themselves through eviolite!
This is propaganda how much did incineroar pay you
glory to the ICP! nothing happened on november 15th 2019
@@howisthis8849Incineroar conservative party?
In the end, Wolfey was right. Incineroar WAS the pokemon to spread right-wing propaganda lmao
@@willmark7032don’t ask Incineroar where he was on January 6 2021
@@basicdraw2185You mean 2021?
“I bought Moxie’s team building guideline. I wanted a Seviper team capable of plowing VGC 2025. He took my money, shot me with his handgun and left.” 2/5 stars on Yelp.
damn, get well soon
Haha L bozo
You liked getting shot so 2/5 instead of 1/5 right?
Getting shot 2/5 reveals to you that he isn’t running skill link or loaded dice. Take advantage of this knowledge
I believe incineroar has quite the different role when compared to Rotom-Washed, hope this helps!!
Both washed up, some sounds pretty similar to me.
Rotom-Washed is crazy 💀
@@PhantomAkiraP5yet so incredibly true 😔
HELP Rotom-washed😭🙏
For anyone interested, it takes 108 seconds for Wolfe Glick to appear in a video about Incineroar
I can’t tell whether Wolfey would be relieved or pissed after hearing about incineroar’s downfall…
Pissed because literally every Pokemon he acts like he doesn't like he really does like.
I mean considering it was on his team and he didn't win I'm sure he's not the most pleased, but he also started the tournament at 9-0, the best of anyone (18-0 in games, didn't drop a single one), so not that disappointed.
But he uses it all the time despite hating it
He would probably be an incineroar downfall denier and use it to win a tournament out of spite
@@supecit36910 the other guy meant he secretly likes Incineroar so why wouldn't he use it all the time?
In this video about Incineroar, it takes 2 minute and 16 seconds for Wolfe Glick to appear. Even on a different channel, the man can’t escape the cat
It's so Incinerover
good, I need that tony the tiger mf DEAD
I hope you’re Incinerwrong :/
Nah, he'd win
Funger pfp spotted
you tried
Oh boy, can't wait to see him back on top promptly.
This vid is effectively a sacrifice to revive him
Good, I’ve been pretty casual, just playing on ladder sometimes since 2022 and I have only made around 2 teams that didn’t have an Incin. (Not including literally all of 2023 and Reg E lol). I need my goat back pls find him
@@MoxieBoosted Blood for the blood god
This makes me so happy. I hope it falls off forever
it isn't power crept (yet ._.) but it's crazy how there's currently multiple teams that just outright counter the cat
3:40
Incineroar walked into the recording booth and hit him with fake out
I know the vid is about Incineroar, but what sticks out more to me than Incineroar being absent from the top teams at Worlds this year is the absurdly high usage of Urshifu. Who would have thought that a world where you can't double your HP and use Max Protect (or whatever it is called) to survive/block a normally literally unsurvivable/unblockable move that does apply weakness to it, that you can't reduce the damage with Intimidate/Charm/Baby-Doll Eyes, that can have its damage increased in Rain and with a user with great Attack stat would break the meta?
Move + ability combo is just doo doo dumb.
@@just_a_folk95Fire the designer of that abomination
I need that mon ulta nerfed
Max Guard 🤓☝️
i just think it’s so crazy that most other ways to get around protect are risky (reading the protect and boosting) or low reward (feint has only 30 BP) where urshifu can just, ignore it
Now i can finally use that dragalge team that's been kicking around my team builder
Please do tell, Skrelp/Dragalge is my favorite Pokémon
@@TempestsFury honestly I don't have a dragalge team, I just said it because Marcos said it during his pitch for the thing he's doing with helping ppl fix their teams
@@TempestsFuryuse it in a trick room team with a wisp or intimidate support it's also one of my favs
That'll be $5 thank you 😂😂😂😉
I remember what was happening when incin was introduced and people were calling it "worse Arcanine-h"
He always comes back, it might not be in the same dominance, but he'll always be there running the meta
Brother beat fraudcanine into the grave and had to fend off zamazentas and koraidons, bros just taking a short hiatus
Arcay nee nay
@@akshayreddy4071 fr bro tired just let him be he gonna win next worlds like nothing
9:25 to quote a popular poiple man "i always come back*
3:40 Reading the script too fast? I get it...
No fr 😂
These soup
He's mentioned his adhd and how he does retakes when reading
Adhd and reading is practically like being in purgatory
Wolfey appears at 1:50
(This is a riff on the joke in Wolfe's videos where people say the same about inceneroar)
The thing is it still is amazing. It is by far the best intimidate user (Lando and H Arcanine have a place since they’re more offensive) it’s just that there is more intimidate counter play and there were a lot of good ground and fighting types because of Miraidon (most of the top 8 teams had Iron Hands or Lando I which both beat incin). It’s how metas work, incin just happens to be a normal meta Pokemon now.
Don't worry, Mega Incineroar is going to hit the meta like a freight train in 2025/2026.
Get it's new special intimidate
@@warmblanket3394 Intimidate 2: lowers the attack stat of all opposing Pokémon on the field by 6 stages, and also lowers sp. atk stat by 3 stages because f*ck you.
@warmblanket3394 nah its gonna get a new intimidate where it lowers both physical and speacial attack. Its mega can be activated as long as it has the one move "world champ difference" this move will hit both opponents and go through protect and one hit ko any pokemon no matter what and has 100 pp and can never miss. It will have stats better than eternamax eternatus. Sounds balanced
No it will get follow me and it will have 120 on both its defence 130 on its attack 55 on its speed and breaking the norm (of megas) gain 30 HP (so 125) and it will have immunity to fake out and it’s ability ultra intimidate will lower both opposing attacks and special attack by 2 stages
2025/2026 are its new Def/SpDef
Incin falling off is dire because the things it has been keeping in check are infinitely more annoying than John Gamefreak's fursona getting high usage
Gamefreak seeing this: why not create an kalonian incineroar. That has an intimidate for special atacker and speed control
Both special and physical attack fairy steel it has a mega form the re activates the attack and special attack drops but it gives it levitate as well and primordial sea and Mold breaker can’t ignore it and even more min maxed stats giving it only 1 base attack and a special fairy fake out that’s 200 base power. And the ability also has disguise and good as gold built in.
Never thaugh i would say this but fluttermane actually controlled the meta in such a way that all really good mons of gen9( almost all) under control n allowed a lit bit better
I'm not surprised at anything in Gen 9 anymore. Nothing makes sense.
Thank you Markelius Boostington for another heater of a video!
Congrats on the video man, great script, this is really some great study material for understanding what's the state of the game balance
gen 9 is something to be sure
Tell me about it
1:23 I feel called out, adaptability dragalge is fun
Right? 😂 almost makes me wanna get into masterball rank this month with it, I think it's great under TR👍
FINALLY SOMEONE ELSE
@@Heartsrepeat we just need an evolution. Dragrasso would be a cool name
3 generations, 8 years, countless wins under its belt, no one is running the gauntlet like Incineroar ever, my goat cat✊🏻
My favorite starter, helped me throughout my gameplay in ultra sun. He’s not going down!
There is no feeling better than predicting a Parting Shot off an Incin, and switching in your Defiant pokemon from the back.
Incineroar ain’t dead, it’s just taking a break. It needs it after all it’s done for the past few years.
Yes, even though I don’t play competitive, my favorite Pokémon just needs a break. Big cats need breaks too.
Love the video, I am glad that people can now be a bit more diverse with their team.
9:22 Was that a FNAF reference?
Wolfy celebrating in the corner:
incineroar *proceeds to not be THAT good "
game freak: shall we give incineroar follow me?
Not only Incineroar still great, but maybe a new form is coming....
Let's hope it's on all fours
@mattyorshin we wanna see the litten line maintain the four legs
Incineroar falling off is just a sign that it needs a buff so prepare for mega Incinaroar in Z-A
Incineroar users when I throw my chair at them (they can’t fake out that)
Can you make a video about how cosmog is the best restricted legendary? I mainly want the thumbnail to be “get Cosmogged”
ZAMAZENTA THE GOAT, always believed in him from the start (pokemon not giving him body press or making his unique move work the same way was criminal in sw/sh)
SAME BRO
The metagame is currently dominated by high power special attackers. Soon, bulky special defenders will come and the meta will shift back to high power physical attackers before the 2 balance out more. Intimidate is a less than worthless ability when faced with special attackers and defiant Pokémon. Once players pick up on that special defender, Incineroar's return is inevitable. But if a bulky special defender never arrives, we'll be seeing a format fully dominated by special attackers.
All that said, I've already figured out and tested the special defense answer. But I like Archaludon more than Incineroar so I'll keep my mouth shut a while longer :3
Incin has 95/90 special bulk and can viably run assault vest, it IS the special defender
@@keysmash_roa 90 is nothing these days. I'm talking something with at least 1.5 times that.
What clear amulet, covert cloak, and ghost tera does to a mf
To use a flavorful allegory, the Pokémon scene turned into an MMA tournament where Incineroar's flashy wrestling moves and intimidating persona weren't of much help.
It takes 3 meta teams to be highly against it for it to fall off , thats just the nobility of the King , He is just taking a breather , The king will be back
We call this Calyrex-Shadow syndrome, where the reason it isnt used is because everyone is overprepared for it
Starting Metas are always built around what was good in the previous regulation. So everyone will have Incin counters, then once those counters start getting countered, Incin will be back. our favorite fire-type starter will always be relevant! The heel wrestler always comes back!
“Failed to win its first world championships since it was released” is an INSANE statement from a game with over 1000 individual Pokémon.
Lando-T: First time?
everyone's gangster until they announce incineroar-therian.
Incineroar is much like amoonguss, even when it "falls off", it will never fall off and just proceed to prove the doubters wrong
Incineroar isn't losing, he's just refusing to win.
Incineroar's usefulness has always been tied to the strength if the targets it disrupts, so the lower power level of the current format hurts it, especially since it cant really disrupt the top pokemon of this format, and is a liability into many of the top archetypes. I think that too many of this formats top pokemon, like ursaluna bloodmoon and archaludon, are special attackers for incineroar to do much. Plus there are other options for incins one particularly good match up, psyspam. One pokemon that will help fill its place on teams is grimsnarl, a dark type with screens to reduce damage and thunder wave for speed control, since it does a similar role, while being better in incineroars worst match ups.
I cant wait to be proven wrong when some pokemon we all forgot about because it hard loses to incineroar shows up and takes over the meta, requiring incineroar usage to keep it in check
turns out the best way to make Incineroar fall off is just not have the Pokemon that check it in the current meta
2:32 "A format which [...] also included powerful restricted Pokémon like Zamazenta" How times change, goddamn
He'll be back. Soon we'll see. We'll remember VGC always belonged to Incineroar
I feel like the mandatory dark with intimidate could be eviolite hisuian quilfish. It has fat bulk and good speed for taunt and icy wind
I'm surprised special Lucario with inner focus isn't used I feel like it's one of the best answers
just use mienshao
These one peice thumbnails are cool as f**k, gives the characters life. Keep up the good work
I see the meta is Defiant against Incineroar!
It has become more Competitive for Incineroar!
As someone legitimately with a Scovillain team in my teambuilder I feel called out.
I don't go to one of the events VGC to need the team building help but the ad for is amazing😂😂😂 good job 👍
It's ok Z-suian Incineroar will introduce the special attack variant of Intimidate and gain a fire type fake out to bring it back to relevancy
1:25
HOW DOES HE KNOW!!! I thought I kept my dragalge reg g tr team secret! Oh god does he know about the clawitzer phase too?
Kieren rubbed his stink onto my goat
Wonder how Wolfy will react
As stated in the video, we just wait for Wolf to just win the tournament with the muscular cat and everyone will pick him up again. Just as everyone did the first time.
This video will be the evidence Game Freak uses as an excuse to make Mega Incin
He always comes back. Mark my words.
Ngl I have been loving the concept of blaziken (somebody else was already using iron fist infernape which was funny to hear in response) because it actually does super good into all of the teams who have been sticking towards early and old meta picks like the bear, mausape a little, and arch, who all lose to it
Watch wolfey pull a "i cant let my worst enemy be look down and call a fraud " card and win the next regional
Didn't work out too well for him at Worlds
That's not true nvm it worked really well for him for 9 rounds and then stopped working really well
Request to give incineroar follow me, wide guard, slack off and a new ability mix of intimidate and regenerator
There’s also a bunch of new Pokémon and forms as well. Along with certain Pokémon getting moves they never had before or new moves that adds benefits to them. If anything Rillaboom seems to be the replacement of incineroar.
no way bro called out my dragalge team...
It takes literally 0 seconds for incineroar to show up in a video about incineroar
Sounds to me like Incineroat did it's job too well at the world championship. It eliminated all the restricteds it does beat, so by the time of top cut it was mich kess useful and essentially dead weight
As for the current format, that just seems super hostile to incin in general, also some amount of "mon does better the higher the power level" syndrome I imagine
Well, the times when Incin has been successful before indeed were when there were also legendaries and overall higher power level of the format. I think this might be the first time for official format that Incineroar (after getting Intimidate) will be up against overall less powerful fellas, so it might be a case of the syndrome you mentioned.
I feel inspired by your videos. Thank you very much.
Every time a big content creator makes a video like this the mon pops off right afterwards.
Anyways I hope you're a big enough content creator now I'm tryna cut Louisville.
This is a sacrifice specifically to make it happen
tbh this shows how good he is the entire meta is built around stopping him in my opinion that is a win
honestly I think that if people just went for a slightly more aggressive playstyle or something similar like that it could really end up making it just better than its alternative currently are
Took 0 seconds for Incineroar to be me... wait, this isn't Wolfey's channel
Aggron got access to Body Press in Gen 8, but it couldn’t take advantage of it due to Dynamax (and Rock/Steel sucks). With the potential reintroduction of Mega Evolution in Gen 10, we may have to deal with a base 230 defense Body Press user. Do you think that may cause some issues?
Mega Aggron is pure steel with the ability Filter (a Solid Rock clone), so it’s hard to get it off the field, too.
This video was posted, then incineroar will win every reg h regional and every reg g regional.
incredible thumbnail as always
1:23 you did not need to call me out like that
1:21 i feel personally attacked cause I have a dragalge team in the teambuilder
he'll find his way back
Your viewing metrics are looking tight. Got as many views as a channel with 3million+ subs. Keep up the quality content and you'll grow huge.
1:22 I had a dragalge (poison) team back in the gen 6 era, I felt called out
Lmao "that weird dragalge team you got kicking around in team builder" I feel personally attacked
1:22 okay now I just feel called out
I've been praying for days like this
Really appreciate that Enel reference, I hope he returns soon
Smoking that Incineroar pack 😎😎
I think Incineroar will end up as a common flex-pick on standard cores. Its match up again PsySpam, Sun, & other less relevant cores makes it feel like a gatekeeper vs non-meta strats
Looking at the top 8 of Worlds it's pretty cool how diverse it is even with some Pokemon commonly used. I don't follow VGC closely so people can correct me but I'm kinda used to it typically being the same 3 or 4 Pokemon plus two flavor teammates of choice.
this aged like fine milk
NEVER! MY KING WILL PREVAIL! YOU THINK YOURE THE KING?! I’M THE KING!
The only way I can see Incineroar completely falling off is if it loses a bunch of its important moves like U-Turn and Parting Shot which I could never see happening.
If anything, this video has taught me that this will likely motivate Game Freak to buff Incineroar AGAIN in Gen 10. Probably.
I'm just happy Incineroar is seeing last use. More entertaining that way.
Okay analysis video! Thanks for uploading!