Had this recorded for a couple days and of course with my timing we've gotten some announced tuning for Checkmate. A lot of my feelings are still relevant, except they've tuned the weapons sandbox a bit tighter and addressed the big outliers, which can be disregarded a bit in my feedback, although seeing as we haven't quite felt like the code has been cracked, stays relevant to a degree. Considering this happened in the matter of a week, I can't help but be excited and hopeful for the future.
Do you think you could whine more on stream, like you're doing right now? Where's that "tournament" pro whinycakes? Is he going to stream an actual competitive fps? Lmao....dude is s-tier shit.
Man I’ve missed your content! Happy to see you back! I’ve been really enjoying checkmate. Obviously it has its flaws but it’s been a nice change of pace.
As a lapsed PvP player, checkmate has been such a breath of fresh air. I love that i can actually get into a lot of primary weapon enguagements instead of being shoulder charged or shutgunned every single death.
Checkmate is fun, I would like to see a blend of both sandboxes to include the checkmate ability tuning with our normal weapon tuning that we already have in non checkmate modes as well as adopt the checkmate version of how we acquire special ammo. All in all I think the weapon tuning in non checkmate modes is superior but everything else I prefer checkmate.
Finding fun in the broken parts of D2 PvP should be reserved for weird game modes. Checkmate should be the new norm for all D2 PvP IMO. It's so much better than the normal sandbox.
I agree. I initially hated checkmate for the dominance of handcannons, but I was using weapons that can crutch a fast time to kill at close range. For example, ikelos with bakris is a lot weaker in this gamemode than I was used to, and so I felt weak. It wasn't until I threw on a mid range primary and my frozen orbit that I started to really appreciate and understand the pacing that checkmate creates, and I feel like I'm growing as a player overall for it
Great to see you back and I agree 100% this mode is so fun! It needs to be the gold standard in Trials, Banner, and Comp. I play this more than regular Control.
I'd love to see this modifier in the competitive playlist, it felt good to not get killed by a titan straightlining me after emptying a whole mag just to have it negated by a jugg shield and antaeus wards to be mapped by a kickstart fusion.
Yeah my aim has always been ass. My skill in pvp has always come from outplaying people via ability use or positioning. Im sure you can guess how i like checkmate.
Some people are just way too stupid and therefore need to rely 100% on their aim and claim that they’re “the true skill player” even though they proceed to slide around a corner with a primary full willingly knowing that the enemy player is a stasis warlock and then proceed to blame stasis and abilities after getting frost pulsed because of their stupidity
I really like your point about decision making. It reminds me of MOBAs where people using their ult or big cooldowns feels like a big moment, countering them feels great, losing to them feels okay because of the cost, and then you have a "power play" time where their power spike is offline, so with good play you can take advantage of that. I hear the "I wish I knew more about special" thing on many creators, but I wonder if this isn't just a growing pain. I think again to MOBAs, where that moment when you buy that item, you have one surprise engagment where the team may not be aware of your spike, then they realize "oh, special time" and start playing differently. Like you said, reading the state of the game is a good skill and I think I like to keep it a mystery for a bit. That said, D2 isn't a moba, and I also agree that this is another item I hope the UI overhaul in TFS can shine on. Not sure they were as I'm not sure the feed is part of the overhaul, but I do agree there's too much info, especially in 6v6
It feels so good to see your channel pop up on my feed! Glad to have your commentary and insight back in the pvp Yt space. Keep up the fun streams and awesome videos Drew!
I'm really bad at checkmate, but MY GOD I've been having more fun in it than any other mode in the game. I missed when the Crucible was a place where you could still have fun when you lose.
So good to have you here. Your voice has been absent and seeing your thumbnail in my feed made me drop everything to check in and watch. I have only played a couple of CM games but it made me realise I've got work to do to 'git gud' for the right reasons. Welcome back.
Great video! I share your sentiment. I don't end a session feeling frustrated like I usually do. Checkmate is a giant leap in the right direction! Good to see fast updates comming from Bungie aswell.
Welcome back bro! Would love to hear your take on the state of AR/SMG spam and how it relates to the mode. And yeah I think this is the best improvement to D2 pvp in years.
Most people don't even play that mode. Whoever thinks this should be a sandbox gold standard is out if his mind. The game Mode tries to fill a nieche that other games have already filled. Destiny exists since 2014, if you want to play a different game you can do that.
I don't know if this is possible, but I feel that there should be a second information feed for Special/Heavy/Super pulls. Putting alerts for Special, Heavy, and Supers in that busy kill feed isn't very efficient for player information. What I think of is... CoD, where their name and tag briefly pops up on the side of the screen when they use a big killstreak. Maybe on the right of the screen, or near center screen like some Gambit notifications do (like "PLAYER Invaded! / DEATH HEALS PRIMEVAL" notifs.)
A little exotic I like in Checkmate is Aeons gauntlets... One of the Aeon mods gives you Class Ability energy on ALLY deaths in the lobby. Just a little bit of a cheat, cause it is EXTREMELY noticeable for your class ability on Hunter. Just a suggestion.
As someone who's ran double primary (Psi Hermetic w/ Headseeker + Cabal Mini Tool) for years by now, Checkmate doesn't feel too different to me outside of the ability regen, and even then that I barely notice since I like usin my guns. But the lack of special is definitely noticable, and overall matches have been more enjoyable for me thanks to there not be shotguns around every corner from start to finish in matches.
Hey drewsky. You manage to keep you zen moment hipfire Bxr untouched by the craft glitch patches? Or they get at it? That thing looked super solid. I was jealous
@@drewskyschannel lmao. Well at least you got a tease. I enjoy my horrors least with like 80 stability, 10 resi, double unflinching and zen moment/ kill clip for this exact reason
Glad you back. Just want to say that I enjoyed the vid and got a kick outta the apples to grapes comparisons of cod and destiny. I'm saying this with no shade, keep doing what you gotta do to keep the lights on
I’m all for checkmate. The only things I would love to see changed would be changing player count to 4v4 on halo-like maps. This would help alleviate the constant hand holding from teams.
I personally vouch for a shift to 5v5, instead of 6v6 or 4v4. In my opinion, 6's are too busy, laney, and trappy. But 4v4s felt very slow with their own flavor of numbers-based death balling. 5v5 would alleviate some pressure on the spawns and choke points while still giving us a very Destiny-feeling, target-rich environment.
After the intense negativity from last season, it is awesome to see such a well recieved PvP change from Bungie. I'm hoping this upward trend keeps on going
I'm not happy with the 140 changes in Checkmate. Most of the people in my SBMM bracket that aren't playing as Hunters run 90 to 100 resilience and 4 tapping is not viable. They need to revert the change.
YOU HAVE BEEN MISSED. Seriously you are one of my favorite creators and I always look forward to your content. Glad to see you are enjoying the game as you should. I’m also glad you give yourself time away from this as well it’s equally important. All the same thanks again.
Great to see a fresh video ! I think the only real downside I see is that it will diminish a lot of exotic options . At a higher level most players only use a very small handful of exotics. I feel like that will be amplified more and more . I'm not sure how they could balance that though. My concern is that all content creators saying how much they love the mode (I totally get it ). But very worried this will be destiny moving forward in PvP. And that will scare a lot of the people away if the fun options are just not viable. Super excited to see bungie putting so much time and effort into a new mode tho!
I'm the Ultimamente Destiny player. Not because I'm the best on pvp or pve, just because I can genuinely have fun with the game no matter what. Pvp, raids and dungeons, gambit, you name it, me and my friends are having fun
My only problem is with the matchmaking. It is so sweaty like 90% of the games with tons of ball-group teams that just hold hands the whole game and won’t peak without a teammate. Other than that it’s a lot more fun.
This is my issue with this mode. People don't realize what the mode would feel like if it has sbmm which they will add if this becomes the standard for pvp. People play checkmate, they have fun cause they get kills so they enjoy it, that's because there isn't currently sbmm. In your case you are already feeling this with bad lobbies of sweats, it will only be worse when every lobby becomes like this especially higher skill lobbies. All these youtubers praising the mode wont be saying the same thing when they play checkmate against 6 other similar skilled players holding hands on the same angle in back of the map. The mode will be a slug fest game of chicken seeing who gets impatient and peaks first and dies immediately
I enjoy checkmate, its fun. But i think most people are forgetting when they compare this mode to regular control playlist... theres no sbmm. Being no sbmm in checkmate has made the mode way more enjoyable, if sbmm was in checkmate im sure we would just see teams camping the same lane waiting to teamshot whoever peaks, with less abilities and special ammo it becomes harder to counter a whole team peaking the same angle the whole match. I dont think the checkmate modifier would go well with sbmm which im sure would be added if this becomes the standard mode, would make it feel extremely close to d2 year 1 in the higher skill lobbies and way more unenjoyable than how normal control is right now.
My games have been way too deathball oriented to have any fun. After like 20 or so matches Im not going to touch it anymore. Especially after the hand cannon nerfs, as that's my playstyle. The second I fail to 3 tap a titan main I'm gonna just feel so down I can't even imagine.
Hard disagree about it being better in discouraging deathballing. Every single lobby I played was extremely teamshooty and without special or meaningful abilities, it felt like there wasn't really an alternative besides doing it yourself.
It's literally year 1 sandbox. So if anyone loves it it's because the love that handcannons are super strong an everything else is super weak except bows an vex
The biggest problems are the maps not being designed around higher ttk and having 12 guardians instead of maybe 4v4. We need maps with more verticality, maybe similar to halo maps.
In my experience I've had a lot more agency in being able to peak and not be instant melted by 2 players waiting to punish my curiosity - I find that team engagements are far more effective through baiting and switching, which to me feels a lot more satisfying than sitting on top of each other. That's just been my experience though, and think there's a difference between the "dance" that takes place through baiting/switching or taking angles that again feels more skill demanding and satisfying, than the "321" or sitting on top of each other team shot. That was the perspective/idea I was coming from.
I’m a be real. I don’t like this mode. Destiny is about being Space magic Wizards. I do not think removing/slowing down to glacier regen pace the abilities is what is needed. Special ammo stuff I’m fine with. Supers and melee and Grenades make Destiny fun to me. Otherwise, I would just be playing CoD or Halo. I don’t want Destiny 2 to be Halo or CoD clone X.
Since playing more and more and hearing some opinions similar to yours I think there is some truth to this. I think there is some potential room to bring abilities up, could just be lacking some of the "destiny" ability integration in combat. While I don't think vanilla is it, I think there may be some room for a good middle ground. I plan to likely make a discussion video about it soon with a bit more of my feelings on that.
I am going to say this for the people in the comments. Don't think this is going to be the baseline for the game bungie already said they only want to increase the ttk from 0.7 average to 0.8 and they only want a slight reduction in ability this was more added for the part of the community that wanted mostly gunplay. As for my personal thoughts on the mode I'm more of an ability person who plays for the power fantasy so I'm not the biggest fan and I don't like how hc's basically rule the mode with next to no competition which to some might sound good but Beyond Light and Witch Queen updates were spent largely trying to escape the hand cannon only meta. Hc's are still dominant in the normal game modes but have competition like smg's and pulse's even some auto's but in this it feels like nothing can exactly compete except maybe bow swapping.
I wouldn't think of this as a completely finished modifier. It already got a balance pass in the first week of it being out, so they definitely haven't finished altering it just yet. It's the whole reason why its in labs. they're bringing hand cannons down slightly as well as devils ruins sudo-special laser, fighting lion and bows. They've also dealt with the mythoclast bug. They're then buffing sidearms, SMGs, scout rifles, auto rifles and pulse rifles.
We've been let down for so long by Bungie that players are starving for a game mode like this and jumping the gun a bit. First week was fun because it was new and players were experimenting, now I'm starting to see cracks. Deathballing, a sandbox within a sandbox, lack of fire team based matchmaking. Although its good that some players are having fun, we should hold judgment because as this weeks twab, they are balancing checkmate more than the rest of the game. Feels backwards and scary. Time will tell.
@@tacoboy2218 Rat king is very fun lol. They're actually buffing sidearms slightly. As well as a few others like autos, pulses, SMGs and scouts. To varying degrees. They've also fixed the mythoclast bug. And then they've nerfed bows since they're over performing with the shifted TTKs of everything else, effectively acting as primary ammo snipers. And they've specifically targeted the damage of fighting lion and devils ruins laser beam, since they're basically sudo-special weapons.
Lol don't know where you've been but hand cannons haven't been meta for a LONG time. I see more players using cheesy load outs like yours than I do hand cannons in PvP. You do you I guess Lol
@@Apex-lv4te Of course other archetypes have risen in effectiveness and usage, but hand cannons still see the highest usage out of any archetype. They never left the meta, it's just there are other archetypes competing now. Hand cannon effectiveness is still quite high in those higher skill brackets. It's only when you look at mid-low skill lobbies that you see the effectiveness of other weapon archetypes increase dramatically, and the usage of hand cannons drop (however they are still the most abundant, even with that drop). Since the range shake up, hand cannons are definitely in the meta. 140s are still 140s but are more consistent across the board, and 120s have loads of range. Edited just for some clarity lol.
I feel as though big streamers have this thing with ruining pvp we had a primary meta in D2 before and I was hot garbage and slader like this would make it come back and I ain’t going back not disregarding how u like to play just the masses don’t feel it I don’t feel it I love my gl hot swap build my shotty pulse
As someone who plays grapple hunter religiously now for movement, i wasn't the biggest fan of the mode, the way ammo economy works is great and i hope that moves over to the base playlists cuz it pushes u to make engagements but the huge lack of abilities kind of takes away from what makes destiny pvp feel special granted it does feel nice to not have a barricade or rift interfere with an engagement 24/7 and outlier weapons really sticks out and kinda makes it feel like if ur not using them u might as well not be playing plus the pacing of a match just feels bad most of the time and i've played the original d2 pvp and it just feels like the pacing is too much like that, i know i'll pry get the usual GiT gUd comment if i do but look at it this way, it may feel good and refreshing now but think 6 months down the line, will it still feel good and refreshing then?
Had this recorded for a couple days and of course with my timing we've gotten some announced tuning for Checkmate. A lot of my feelings are still relevant, except they've tuned the weapons sandbox a bit tighter and addressed the big outliers, which can be disregarded a bit in my feedback, although seeing as we haven't quite felt like the code has been cracked, stays relevant to a degree. Considering this happened in the matter of a week, I can't help but be excited and hopeful for the future.
Do you think you could whine more on stream, like you're doing right now? Where's that "tournament" pro whinycakes? Is he going to stream an actual competitive fps? Lmao....dude is s-tier shit.
Glad to see you post man
Brooooo welcome back.
They gonna ruin it they gonna buff every other archetype and nerf hand cannons in that game mode
@@FujiwaraDF oh no, hcs not the best and that means it's ruined. 🤣🤣
Man I’ve missed your content! Happy to see you back! I’ve been really enjoying checkmate. Obviously it has its flaws but it’s been a nice change of pace.
Feel so good to see a Drewsky video pop into my feed again! Welcome back 🎉
As a lapsed PvP player, checkmate has been such a breath of fresh air. I love that i can actually get into a lot of primary weapon enguagements instead of being shoulder charged or shutgunned every single death.
DREWSKYYY BACK AT IT BABY
Glad to hear your input on this! been excited to hear both you and cammy’s takes on everything.
Checkmate is fun, I would like to see a blend of both sandboxes to include the checkmate ability tuning with our normal weapon tuning that we already have in non checkmate modes as well as adopt the checkmate version of how we acquire special ammo. All in all I think the weapon tuning in non checkmate modes is superior but everything else I prefer checkmate.
Finding fun in the broken parts of D2 PvP should be reserved for weird game modes. Checkmate should be the new norm for all D2 PvP IMO. It's so much better than the normal sandbox.
Glad you are enjoying it. I ONLY like it bc there is no SBMM. I enjoy the chaos of space magic and abilities.
I agree. I initially hated checkmate for the dominance of handcannons, but I was using weapons that can crutch a fast time to kill at close range. For example, ikelos with bakris is a lot weaker in this gamemode than I was used to, and so I felt weak. It wasn't until I threw on a mid range primary and my frozen orbit that I started to really appreciate and understand the pacing that checkmate creates, and I feel like I'm growing as a player overall for it
Great to see you back and I agree 100% this mode is so fun! It needs to be the gold standard in Trials, Banner, and Comp. I play this more than regular Control.
Hell nope. Lol 😂
@@erdbeertage4851hell yes
Its Been 84 Years
I'd love to see this modifier in the competitive playlist, it felt good to not get killed by a titan straightlining me after emptying a whole mag just to have it negated by a jugg shield and antaeus wards to be mapped by a kickstart fusion.
Yeah my aim has always been ass. My skill in pvp has always come from outplaying people via ability use or positioning.
Im sure you can guess how i like checkmate.
Some people are just way too stupid and therefore need to rely 100% on their aim and claim that they’re “the true skill player” even though they proceed to slide around a corner with a primary full willingly knowing that the enemy player is a stasis warlock and then proceed to blame stasis and abilities after getting frost pulsed because of their stupidity
Drewsky!!!!! Great to hear your voice again! hope you're doing well
I think it would be cool if the radar showed enemies as green or purple if they have special or heavy ammo, and white if all they have is primary
I really like your point about decision making. It reminds me of MOBAs where people using their ult or big cooldowns feels like a big moment, countering them feels great, losing to them feels okay because of the cost, and then you have a "power play" time where their power spike is offline, so with good play you can take advantage of that.
I hear the "I wish I knew more about special" thing on many creators, but I wonder if this isn't just a growing pain. I think again to MOBAs, where that moment when you buy that item, you have one surprise engagment where the team may not be aware of your spike, then they realize "oh, special time" and start playing differently. Like you said, reading the state of the game is a good skill and I think I like to keep it a mystery for a bit. That said, D2 isn't a moba, and I also agree that this is another item I hope the UI overhaul in TFS can shine on. Not sure they were as I'm not sure the feed is part of the overhaul, but I do agree there's too much info, especially in 6v6
Oh my lord a drewsky video
Return of the King 🥰
It feels so good to see your channel pop up on my feed! Glad to have your commentary and insight back in the pvp Yt space. Keep up the fun streams and awesome videos Drew!
Drew “the Coneman” has returned.
This is encouraging, I dropped the game for almost a year so far bc PVP felt so neglected, please keep us updated as this develops
Going to be updating and likely centering content around this stuff, next week will have a lot to talk about
I'm really bad at checkmate, but MY GOD I've been having more fun in it than any other mode in the game. I missed when the Crucible was a place where you could still have fun when you lose.
So good to have you here. Your voice has been absent and seeing your thumbnail in my feed made me drop everything to check in and watch. I have only played a couple of CM games but it made me realise I've got work to do to 'git gud' for the right reasons. Welcome back.
Appreciate it greatly. Means a lot
Great video! I share your sentiment. I don't end a session feeling frustrated like I usually do. Checkmate is a giant leap in the right direction! Good to see fast updates comming from Bungie aswell.
I have missed your content. I'm glad to see a new video from you.
Welcome back bro!
Would love to hear your take on the state of AR/SMG spam and how it relates to the mode. And yeah I think this is the best improvement to D2 pvp in years.
So great to see PvP D2 players excited about something! Hope Bungie iterates on the feedback and take this to a big W.
Most people don't even play that mode. Whoever thinks this should be a sandbox gold standard is out if his mind.
The game Mode tries to fill a nieche that other games have already filled.
Destiny exists since 2014, if you want to play a different game you can do that.
Lol Bungie doesn’t really care it’s been ten years and still can’t balance a game kinda sad actually
I don't know if this is possible, but I feel that there should be a second information feed for Special/Heavy/Super pulls.
Putting alerts for Special, Heavy, and Supers in that busy kill feed isn't very efficient for player information.
What I think of is... CoD, where their name and tag briefly pops up on the side of the screen when they use a big killstreak.
Maybe on the right of the screen, or near center screen like some Gambit notifications do (like "PLAYER Invaded! / DEATH HEALS PRIMEVAL" notifs.)
Checkmate has been a blast lately and I'm loving it so much
The fact that as soon as Bungie cracked down on the broken stuff (like my new video with 232 damage bow lmao), I have hope.
A little exotic I like in Checkmate is Aeons gauntlets...
One of the Aeon mods gives you Class Ability energy on ALLY deaths in the lobby.
Just a little bit of a cheat, cause it is EXTREMELY noticeable for your class ability on Hunter. Just a suggestion.
As someone who's ran double primary (Psi Hermetic w/ Headseeker + Cabal Mini Tool) for years by now, Checkmate doesn't feel too different to me outside of the ability regen, and even then that I barely notice since I like usin my guns. But the lack of special is definitely noticable, and overall matches have been more enjoyable for me thanks to there not be shotguns around every corner from start to finish in matches.
I hope they keep this as a separate mode
I saw the notif and almost didn't believe it. It's good to see you again, Drew.
Great video Drew!
Hey drewsky. You manage to keep you zen moment hipfire Bxr untouched by the craft glitch patches? Or they get at it? That thing looked super solid. I was jealous
Unfortunately it has come and gone, but now I use 10 res 100 stability and 3x unflinching in efforts against the flinch lol
@@drewskyschannel lmao. Well at least you got a tease. I enjoy my horrors least with like 80 stability, 10 resi, double unflinching and zen moment/ kill clip for this exact reason
Hey whats up, its Drew here!
Missed you posts man! Good to see you back!
Drewsky! What is your loadout for invis/bxr-rounds hunter? I must know! ^_*
It's good to have you back, mate
I have been enjoying checkmate moreso than any other lab or crucible event. I do hope we see more of this.
Glad you back. Just want to say that I enjoyed the vid and got a kick outta the apples to grapes comparisons of cod and destiny. I'm saying this with no shade, keep doing what you gotta do to keep the lights on
I’m all for checkmate. The only things I would love to see changed would be changing player count to 4v4 on halo-like maps. This would help alleviate the constant hand holding from teams.
The irony is real. 💩
I vouch for 5v5.
Also enjoy checkmate. We even matched together in first game in this video) GGs
HAPPY BIRTHDAY DREEEEEWWWWWWWWWW
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Ayyye, we got a drewsky vid. Welcome back bro!
I personally vouch for a shift to 5v5, instead of 6v6 or 4v4.
In my opinion, 6's are too busy, laney, and trappy. But 4v4s felt very slow with their own flavor of numbers-based death balling.
5v5 would alleviate some pressure on the spawns and choke points while still giving us a very Destiny-feeling, target-rich environment.
Ayyyeee, a Drew sighting, we love to see it! 🙌🏾🙌🏾
Destiny be like one of my favourite movie quotes: "And when everyone's super... no one will be."
Where can we find your YGO channel/content?
They gonna ruin it they gonna buff every other archetype and nerf hand cannons in that game mode
Heavy ammo timer either needs to be extended, or heavy ammo just needs to be removed entirely
My only gripe as a solo is countering deathballing teams is near impossible
I thini its kinda dumb that hand cannons can still 3 tap but scouts cant.
As a fellow Drew, I approve this video
After the intense negativity from last season, it is awesome to see such a well recieved PvP change from Bungie. I'm hoping this upward trend keeps on going
Welcome back! Thanks for always providing great content.
100 resilience is 230HP by the way
What’s the roll on your BXR?
Great thoughts
I'm not happy with the 140 changes in Checkmate. Most of the people in my SBMM bracket that aren't playing as Hunters run 90 to 100 resilience and 4 tapping is not viable. They need to revert the change.
WAKE UP BABE NEW DREWSKY VIDEO
Hesssssss back
YOU HAVE BEEN MISSED.
Seriously you are one of my favorite creators and I always look forward to your content. Glad to see you are enjoying the game as you should.
I’m also glad you give yourself time away from this as well it’s equally important. All the same thanks again.
Tried this last night and it was just a team shot nightmare. I dont think i had a 1v1 at any point
Great to see a fresh video ! I think the only real downside I see is that it will diminish a lot of exotic options . At a higher level most players only use a very small handful of exotics. I feel like that will be amplified more and more . I'm not sure how they could balance that though.
My concern is that all content creators saying how much they love the mode (I totally get it ). But very worried this will be destiny moving forward in PvP. And that will scare a lot of the people away if the fun options are just not viable.
Super excited to see bungie putting so much time and effort into a new mode tho!
Also to add, no skill based in this current mode right ? Is that what is also making it more fun?
So, are they just bringing back year 1 pvp in a new mode?
I'm the Ultimamente Destiny player. Not because I'm the best on pvp or pve, just because I can genuinely have fun with the game no matter what. Pvp, raids and dungeons, gambit, you name it, me and my friends are having fun
Holy shit drewsky uploaded holy shit holy shit
Man they just threw glaives in the trash and left them there to rot. If this is going to be our new sandox we gotta do something with these toothpicks
My only problem is with the matchmaking. It is so sweaty like 90% of the games with tons of ball-group teams that just hold hands the whole game and won’t peak without a teammate. Other than that it’s a lot more fun.
This is my issue with this mode. People don't realize what the mode would feel like if it has sbmm which they will add if this becomes the standard for pvp.
People play checkmate, they have fun cause they get kills so they enjoy it, that's because there isn't currently sbmm. In your case you are already feeling this with bad lobbies of sweats, it will only be worse when every lobby becomes like this especially higher skill lobbies. All these youtubers praising the mode wont be saying the same thing when they play checkmate against 6 other similar skilled players holding hands on the same angle in back of the map. The mode will be a slug fest game of chicken seeing who gets impatient and peaks first and dies immediately
I been eating people alive with huckleberry. God I love this mode it has to stay
While checkmate hasn't made me want to play pvp, I would MUCH prefer to play checkmate than normal pvp.
I enjoy checkmate, its fun. But i think most people are forgetting when they compare this mode to regular control playlist... theres no sbmm. Being no sbmm in checkmate has made the mode way more enjoyable, if sbmm was in checkmate im sure we would just see teams camping the same lane waiting to teamshot whoever peaks, with less abilities and special ammo it becomes harder to counter a whole team peaking the same angle the whole match. I dont think the checkmate modifier would go well with sbmm which im sure would be added if this becomes the standard mode, would make it feel extremely close to d2 year 1 in the higher skill lobbies and way more unenjoyable than how normal control is right now.
My games have been way too deathball oriented to have any fun. After like 20 or so matches Im not going to touch it anymore. Especially after the hand cannon nerfs, as that's my playstyle. The second I fail to 3 tap a titan main I'm gonna just feel so down I can't even imagine.
every time someone says strategy in D2 PVP - all I see is tea bag shot and camping around corners....
Hard disagree about it being better in discouraging deathballing. Every single lobby I played was extremely teamshooty and without special or meaningful abilities, it felt like there wasn't really an alternative besides doing it yourself.
It's literally year 1 sandbox. So if anyone loves it it's because the love that handcannons are super strong an everything else is super weak except bows an vex
The biggest problems are the maps not being designed around higher ttk and having 12 guardians instead of maybe 4v4. We need maps with more verticality, maybe similar to halo maps.
I now take back my statement read the twab
You have no idea what you are talking about. Every year 1 map that is still in the game was originally designed with 8 players in mind.
In my experience I've had a lot more agency in being able to peak and not be instant melted by 2 players waiting to punish my curiosity - I find that team engagements are far more effective through baiting and switching, which to me feels a lot more satisfying than sitting on top of each other. That's just been my experience though, and think there's a difference between the "dance" that takes place through baiting/switching or taking angles that again feels more skill demanding and satisfying, than the "321" or sitting on top of each other team shot. That was the perspective/idea I was coming from.
I love this gamemode, im hoping they try maxing everyone's stats so we dont need to care about them such as resilience TTKs
Great video 👍
I’m a be real. I don’t like this mode. Destiny is about being Space magic Wizards. I do not think removing/slowing down to glacier regen pace the abilities is what is needed. Special ammo stuff I’m fine with. Supers and melee and Grenades make Destiny fun to me. Otherwise, I would just be playing CoD or Halo. I don’t want Destiny 2 to be Halo or CoD clone X.
Since playing more and more and hearing some opinions similar to yours I think there is some truth to this. I think there is some potential room to bring abilities up, could just be lacking some of the "destiny" ability integration in combat. While I don't think vanilla is it, I think there may be some room for a good middle ground. I plan to likely make a discussion video about it soon with a bit more of my feelings on that.
I am going to say this for the people in the comments. Don't think this is going to be the baseline for the game bungie already said they only want to increase the ttk from 0.7 average to 0.8 and they only want a slight reduction in ability this was more added for the part of the community that wanted mostly gunplay.
As for my personal thoughts on the mode I'm more of an ability person who plays for the power fantasy so I'm not the biggest fan and I don't like how hc's basically rule the mode with next to no competition which to some might sound good but Beyond Light and Witch Queen updates were spent largely trying to escape the hand cannon only meta. Hc's are still dominant in the normal game modes but have competition like smg's and pulse's even some auto's but in this it feels like nothing can exactly compete except maybe bow swapping.
I wouldn't think of this as a completely finished modifier. It already got a balance pass in the first week of it being out, so they definitely haven't finished altering it just yet. It's the whole reason why its in labs.
they're bringing hand cannons down slightly as well as devils ruins sudo-special laser, fighting lion and bows. They've also dealt with the mythoclast bug.
They're then buffing sidearms, SMGs, scout rifles, auto rifles and pulse rifles.
IN OUR TIME OF NEED, HE HAS RETURNED
is the DDos attack over?
A real pvp player doesnt question odd deaths. You just remind yourself youre playing Destiny 2
We've been let down for so long by Bungie that players are starving for a game mode like this and jumping the gun a bit. First week was fun because it was new and players were experimenting, now I'm starting to see cracks. Deathballing, a sandbox within a sandbox, lack of fire team based matchmaking. Although its good that some players are having fun, we should hold judgment because as this weeks twab, they are balancing checkmate more than the rest of the game. Feels backwards and scary. Time will tell.
Love you videos bro!
Dreswky is back! 🎉🍾
maybe a mod - special mun tracker...
Punky DREWster!!
For some reason people seem way laggier in this mode than others to me, does anyone else feel the same?
Sup man,I was in one of your games.
imo ppl like it because is cbmm, hand cannon and how dominant... Make it sbmm n see if ppl still like it.
While im annoyed that handcannons are the only real viable option in checkmate as a off meta enjoyer im loving the changes
I'm not sure if you've read about it. But they've already done some weapon balance changes for checkmate. Handcannons are coming down a bit.
@@seb5542 thank God I just wanted to meme around with greaves and rat king
@@tacoboy2218 Rat king is very fun lol. They're actually buffing sidearms slightly. As well as a few others like autos, pulses, SMGs and scouts. To varying degrees.
They've also fixed the mythoclast bug. And then they've nerfed bows since they're over performing with the shifted TTKs of everything else, effectively acting as primary ammo snipers. And they've specifically targeted the damage of fighting lion and devils ruins laser beam, since they're basically sudo-special weapons.
Lol don't know where you've been but hand cannons haven't been meta for a LONG time. I see more players using cheesy load outs like yours than I do hand cannons in PvP. You do you I guess Lol
@@Apex-lv4te Of course other archetypes have risen in effectiveness and usage, but hand cannons still see the highest usage out of any archetype. They never left the meta, it's just there are other archetypes competing now. Hand cannon effectiveness is still quite high in those higher skill brackets. It's only when you look at mid-low skill lobbies that you see the effectiveness of other weapon archetypes increase dramatically, and the usage of hand cannons drop (however they are still the most abundant, even with that drop).
Since the range shake up, hand cannons are definitely in the meta. 140s are still 140s but are more consistent across the board, and 120s have loads of range.
Edited just for some clarity lol.
Big drew!
I feel as though big streamers have this thing with ruining pvp we had a primary meta in D2 before and I was hot garbage and slader like this would make it come back and I ain’t going back not disregarding how u like to play just the masses don’t feel it I don’t feel it I love my gl hot swap build my shotty pulse
I'm not because Im literally the only person the Enemy team decides to laser down lmao... I need to get a life
As someone who plays grapple hunter religiously now for movement, i wasn't the biggest fan of the mode, the way ammo economy works is great and i hope that moves over to the base playlists cuz it pushes u to make engagements but the huge lack of abilities kind of takes away from what makes destiny pvp feel special granted it does feel nice to not have a barricade or rift interfere with an engagement 24/7 and outlier weapons really sticks out and kinda makes it feel like if ur not using them u might as well not be playing plus the pacing of a match just feels bad most of the time and i've played the original d2 pvp and it just feels like the pacing is too much like that, i know i'll pry get the usual GiT gUd comment if i do but look at it this way, it may feel good and refreshing now but think 6 months down the line, will it still feel good and refreshing then?
apperantly i sound alot like you
Some plz talk about 3v3 rift