To be fair every “meta” there’s like a handful of top tier exotics and everything else just kinda exists. Not necessarily bad or good, they just happen to be there.
I did Presage Legend on Fireteam Finder the other night, and this Warlock rolls in with double trace, Black Talon, and blink. I asked twice if everyone was ready, they said they were, so we took off. Had to go back to orbit so he could take blink off, but he really ran double trace and Black Talon intentionally. That guy proceeded to rock the activity. I was stunned.
That's .. wild. Legend presage can be quite annoying rather rhan difficulty but double trace w/BLACK TALON???? A mad lad you love to hear stories about.
For deathbringer, they should update the catalyst to also lock on a specific target if you aim. Like you would aim DB at a target, then aim up and fire. All the orbs would target the specific target. And if you want to crowd control with it, just fire without aiming.
@aleatheltrashcan478 a better version. One that can add control and do major dps without needing to kill enemies first. Plus, it starts singular and then volley. I've experienced and seen multiple people shoot the volley of eyes of tommor rockets, and some would hit walls/random stuff. That would happen rarely, if at all with DB.
How about it just gets two shots or auto loading holster. Boom instant more useful ness. Still niche, still not the best, but hey not everything can be peak.
Also it should carry two rockets in the mag by default. Also if they wanna be really silly they could make fully ramped projectiles make enemies volatile.
I'm so annoyed because DM is one of the best wave frames in the game after the nerf to legendary wave frames and chain reaction but he calls it garbage tier and invalidates anyone trying to explain why it's not
@@Data-AnalystSera we're getting Marty back with Incand presumably. DM means nothing to me even after the chain nerfs. it's also not such leagues better than other waves for me to warrant the exotic slot
@@Data-AnalystSeraI placed 5th place with my team for Crota day one (Xbox only, 7th place overall for console and like 150th place when you include pc) I also have every title in the game, guided every conqueror and I have almost 200 flawless runs in trials and I love dead messenger. Guess I’m garbage 🤷🏻♂️
Deterministic chaos would be so much better if they just gave it the catalyst that's already in the API, for those who don't know, deterministic Chaos's catalyst in the API says that it gives it forth times the charm, this would make it amazing, maybe not the strongest DPS machine ever but it would be able to consistently apply those void debuffs and just lay on the trigger while having great ammo economy
Datto you should consider a series where you debate the Destiny community about their hot takes just like Fantano, hell there was even material here worth being talking points for such a series. Looking forward to the future of your content!
On Tommy's Matchbook: It's kinda dogwater 90% of the time, BUT, much like running necro w/ Thorn, running a healer build on warlock w/ Speaker's just absolutely unlocks this thing. Speaker's was the missing piece to make this thing COOK. I have the thing causing ignitions CONSTANTLY on higher health targets, and I'm just sitting there, practically unable to die. Aztecross featured it in a build battle if you wanted to check it out! Suuuper fun build, highly recommend if you wanna give it a try. Theoretically (need to try this myself), you might be able to run prismatic, healing grenade, as many scorch aspects as you can, Hellion, Devour, and do the same thing but w/ the addition of Prismatic? Idk but the base pure solar is soo good.
It’s been fantastic on Titan with precious scars/lorelys especially with artifact perks. The current auto rifle mods make it fucking crazy especially the loading one. Honestly my favorite exotic weapon as a sun breaker main since TK
Not that really matters, but for anyone who cares, a good trick you can do when making a tierlist in front of an audience, start by setting 2 benchmarks, something you think is in the highest tier and something that's in the lowest, it gives the audience a better frame of reference from the start allowing for a clear understanding from the jump
Nah I feel inclined to agree with c tier, our weapons have gotten so damn powerful that the chip damage that witherhoard offers is ellipsed by other exotic special and technically now has its job stolen by lost signal. Not terrible but replaceable: Easy C tier
idk man i feel like there are many better things to use now especially since it takes our exotic slot with like the strength of our abilities, i don't see as much of a need (still useful tho thus C)
Witherhoard is good in ALL content. Boss damage? Respectable plus great with B&S. GM’s? Great at killing champions. Ad clear? Last a good amount of time. Onslaught? All of these and more. Witherhoards only weakness is PvP and even then it has great usage as an area denial tool. Datto is crazy to put it at C tier.
If Heartshadow has 100 fans I'm one of them If Heartshadow has 10 fans I'm one of them If Heartshadow has 1 fan I'm one of them If Hearshadow has no fans then I am dead
Its unfortunate to me that the Hammerhead i have that runs volatile rounds and ramping damage, 2 non synergistic traits entirely, still better than Deterministic Chaos
So many of the exotics are on par with legendary versions. DMT, Delicate Tomb, etc. In those cases I'd rather run a legendary and use an exotic that is powerful. Good list Datto. Can't say I disagree with anything too much.
Dead Man's Tale actually does crazy amounts of extra damage to enemies compared to legendary versions, but yore right, some of these exotics were just the prototypes of a new weapon frame
@@ColonelDrax303Would never use it in end game content. Arc Warlock is not strong at all and if that weapon requires a specific class subclass to be at its peak then that isn’t exactly good.
I'm not arguing for dead messenger. But if it's garbage so is hardlight. To be clear, I think they both deserve to be there. But hardlight is def worse than Dead Messenger.
I think part of his and my rationale is that if you're using Hardlight, you can down shields pretty much just as easily as with Dead Messenger but you have infinite ammo. And you can still run a special in kinetic slot without having two specials equipped resulting in less ammo being available.
That being said, these two guns along with Borealis all are trash in today's sandbox, and I feel the only way to make any of them relevant is if each elemental damage mode also applied their respective damage verb perks (Voltshot, Destabilizing, Incandescent)
@giriessaba1567 I get it. I just think if I use dead messenger, I'm at least getting something unique. It's a wave frame with 3 waves where hardlight is an auto rifle with ricochet rounds. Dead Messenger can do somewhat decent add clear in low tier content. I do understand your point, though. I will say I would usually rather use an exotic primary for the exotic damage buff. I just think dead messenger is at least more unique to have somewhat of a niche.
As someone who plays support no matter what Lumina will always be my favorite exotic. This allows more options for my friends to play what they want while I get to play with something that is meta but I find the most fun. That alone will always keep it as my primary for everything besides solo content (even then its a basic handcannon with a far more consistent subsistence).
Not even a warlock main but as a titan main but God damn whenever I play warlock I use lumina and boots of assembler and jeez it makes me feel useful lol
He put witherhoard C because its boring… I’m confused he rates most weapons based off strength then some based off how fun they are?? Like make up your mind ffs
I think it's funny the argument against dead messenger is "it's useless/powercrept just use consecration/forb" and yet i can count a dozen weapons that are placed above it that the same argument can be used for
@@wojakc7745 im pretty sure he didnt rank more than half of the guns based on builds, also i dont think dead messenger is good i just dont think it deserves anything under at least a D
@@camerongodsey9847imma keep it real with you I'm looking over this list at 3 in the morning but so far the only placement I feel that way about is cryosthesia over final warning(The raw damage it deals thanks to its catalyst really pushed into having some actual use cases)
Bad Juju got good this season(Episode: Revenant). Those cursed thrall explosions and the extra super energy make it a strong choice in most content. I'd rate it at least A-tier now. Still not as amazing as Outbreak.
Skyburner's oath is not that bad, the hipfire applies scorch really well for a primary. Sure it's no sunshot, but that doesn't make it unusable. The range benefit that it gives you is not to be scoffed at.
Man did chat fumble the bag arguing in favor of Parasite, there's actually a nice damage rotation that exists with it and aberrant action (or a solar fusion rifle of your choice) where you put on solar loader, shoot the aberrant 3-4 times and then shoot the now reloaded parasite again (bonus if you can use a reload dodge of some sort for parasite). It's deals competitive damage and is also incredibly ammo efficient
-I feel like people get hung up on the melee part of glaives when really they're a gun with a shield -Delicate Tomb has a horizontal spread so you can tag multiple enemies at a time with jolt more easily -Deterministic Chaos has a use as a support weapon to heal your team on Void Titan, and apply weaken (I wish they would give it the 4TTC catalyst already, and buff the mag size) -No one uses Lumina because everyone wants to be the main character instead of the support, doesn't mean it's not really good. -No Time To Explain has synergy with the Warlock buddy build -Heartshadow gives weaken and invis on any class and subclass, which can be pretty useful in a panic, and has good synergy with a Briarbinds Warlock to go invis and pick up your children -Skyburner's Oath is great with Weighted Knife Hunters or Dawn Chorus Warlocks :( -Sweet Business and Tommy's Matchbook are my two most used exotics on Titan, paired with Actium War Rig (I'm insane) -Tesselation... is it really worth going through an animation of consuming your grenade and charging up the charge shot when you could.. just throw the grenade? -Witherhorde is great because it's easy to just tag a high health target and it'll just die while you do something else
Delicate Tomb:(indebted kindness) Deterministic Chaos: no arguments here Lumina: Again no complaints here either No Time to Explain:Got indirectly screwed over by arc souls getting their interaction with devour nerfed(still like the gun though)
"Historically Bastion has been a c tier" I disagree, i remember when it came out and was wildly slept on in PvP and I was getting 3.0 kda constantly with it. If this was only PvE id agree but it was a monster before people made videos on it and the usage rate went up
When Bastion could kill a guardian with each of the three bursts was absurd. I never got the triple down, but getting two guardians with one burst was 🤌
@@briancho237 iam not complaining. I just dont understand. Why cant someone be.. i dont know.. uncle , aunt, sister, little bro big bro.. step sister or step bro? Or why not just brother? Why bro?
@@iid7hm The most I’ve given the dungeon is the normal find the hidden chests, lore, whatever it was, and a master run. I don’t like it at all so I won’t do solo or flawless
@@verbatim_lol I think You're talking about the Hidden Bones and The master Run I mean these 2 Should Boost the drop rate Up to 10% Or so . Hopefully Next week!
I really wish Dead Messenger had something where it would have some kind of elemental add clear perk based on its current selected element. Basically, something like Incandescent for Solar, Volt Shot for Arc, and Destabilizing Rounds or self proc Volatile Rounds for it's void version
Zhalo Supercell is the only remaining D1 exotic yet to be brought over that has a D2 clone and the last really requested one. We finally got Red Death back putting Crimson out of it's misery, now it's time to do the same with Riskrunner and give us Zhalo back.
Black talon maybe wasn't ever the best, but it was meta for prestige eater back in the day. one of the weeks would be power weapon sword and if you had prism when it switched to void would basically be the only way you could damage argos besides whatever your primary and energy were
For the argument of the exotic glaives, the titan one saw some use for a hot moment when it was discovered you could throw a bubble down and then pop behemoth ulty and then spam the heavies in the bubble popping them all super quick and consistently all of them. Granted the boss's knee caps have to be clipping into the bubble but it did nutty damage or at least directly enabled it in that moment
Wish-Ender and Witherhoard are my two go-to weapons for competitive PvP. Wish-Ender is great for seeing where the enemy is going, which tips their strategy. And of course it's great for playing long range peekaboo around corners. Witherhoard is how you deal with aggressive players that like to blitz. Wait at a choke point and when they enter shoot witherhoard on the ground and immediately melee. This will usually net you a kill and take them out of their game plan as they switch from aggressive to tentative. It's also great for any narrow passages, tunnel areas, doorways, spaces with low clearance, etc. Works even better when their whole team gets jammed up and damaged as the first guy tries to back up while the others are still moving forward.
I want to say something about Deathbringer: It's super fun to use, it can pull off some wild ad clear, the air drop rounds can get to enemies behind walls, from far away, and in weird places - it's useless against fast movers, but makes for a hell of a surprise for anything slow or that doesn't see you coming. Deathbringer isn't just a nine round Nova Bomb launcher, it's also a lifestyle, and I think it has a lot more utility than it's often given credit for. It's doesn't work everywhere, but I think you'd be surprised.
The disrespect on witherhoard is crazy. go look Philly Phils solo flawless dps builds and witherhoard is BEASTLY on those things. Not to mention when starfire was king, witherhoard was borderline mandatory
It’s funny how he went from taking the chat into account with the ratings early in the video and by the last quarter at wishender and witherhoard… he’s just like “nope it sucks… get good…” and moves on despite chat Booooing 😅 Was a fun video to watch through. Entertaining.
Polaris in D tier is a tragedy. That is one of the better "dad" guns out there. Sure, it lost some potency after the artifact change in TFS but it still is really good in difficult content. Should be in the B tier at minimum. I would take it over any of the weapons you have in C tier. Ace of Spades is B-tier btw. There are a ton of legendary handcannons I'd take over that any day. Datto! Wish-Ender and Witherhoard and your placements of them.....wth!? Those are 2 of the better weapons in the game. Easily A tier.
Polaris has no real reason to be used right now(no instant ignition nor a champion scout mod means it's getting benched for sunshot) I actually agree with your assessment for ace of spades so nothing to comment on here. Witherhoard is now out classed in pretty much every category except single target dps by lost signal(a LEGENDARY gl) As for wishender it's main issue right now is that you don't need it's anti barrier properties when the artifact mods(and prismatic as a whole) makes it stupidly easy to proc radiant
Heir apparent is pretty mean in PvP. Machine guns can already be difficult to out gun at times, but having that shield is an extra step you have to cut through to deal with it.
Aeger's on S tier while Final Warning ends up at C is literally insane. Once you learn how to use Final Warning, it is one of the easiest S tier weapons in the entire game
I hate that i have to agree....lol hated it and got the Cat to drop right away and after learning it doing the Cat....holy shit that thing SHREDS EVERYTHING.😂
Forerunner is one of those weapons that it’s nostalgia for halo players because it’s the halo one Magnum dress up your titan as a master chief run forerunner, and the BX are battler and an energy sword, and there you go, your master chief
Putting forerunner ahead of final warning is a war crime and slur combined. It’s 20240815 1829 local time and he just put lumina in front of final warning.
Polaris Lance as D tier? I think it's C tier personally since it is pretty good but it's pretty much designed for hitting nothing but precision shots. You end up missing a precision shot and it can mess up the rhythm you get going on with it. I think the big thing is that there are better weapons to use over it that don't require constant hits of precision shots.
Polaris doesn’t fit into our playstyles nowadays The game now encourages players to engage in close ranged combat to make their rotations work and nowadays we have abilities that can melt adds with less cooldown and also weapons that is so powerful that even Polaris in its good days with seasonal perks can’t compete So yeah Polaris falling to D tier ain’t that of a surprise Y sit there aiming for hs if we can just melt adds with explosives and nades
@@MakabeMatsuria lot of solo GM clears used it. Respect just for that. And to the others, the artifact mod for bigger ignitions works great with it right now.
Gotta say one of my favourite lumina moments in recent memory was week 3/4 pantheon doing gaze and having 1 gaze guy with it and the other with tractor. Felt pretty optimized.
I love ager's scepter, I've used it on a loooot of different builds and is one of my favourite exotics, but it is by far not what I would consider S tier
I'd say it feels S when running double special or something, and especially with how it clears ads like nothing. I feel like supers are too strong to justify the alternative fire unless you're on Cenotaph Warlock, so I'd say A at the lowest
@@ozfernau6763 on endgame content it kind of drops off in terms of damage, and you end up using a limited ammo exotic gun when running something like sunshot would be better to feed your special ammo weapon Also rocket sidearms exist and those are stupidly good for double special!
@@ozfernau6763 Depends on the super. There are some disposable supers that do warrant the alternative fire mode, but most of them aren't worth the investment.
@@lcepik21 I can't speak to conditional, but aegers is versatile, works from different ranges, and is crowd control and ad clear based where conditional seems like it would be focused more on blasting a big target and whatever is directly around it
GLAIVES WERE INSANE on Contest mode Salvation, during the herald fight, 2 shotting any blight and able to endlessly tank the herald in the fighting pit
I just wish it had something else going on. Like I get that it becomes a beast when fully charged but I think it needs something that can make it synergize with a build.
Unfortunately, it's actually really insane when stacked in pvp which honestly is the only reason it's still there. I'd prefer a rework to make the beast mode SPAM ignitions or something similar.
The main thing I remember about Borealis is getting an absolutely lit collateral with it in crucible, Gambler's Run, or whatever that fallen base map is called. Good times.
He likes symmetry, which is absolutely garbage. He's never used wish ender but dislikes it and only amateurs use it. Pukes on witherhoard. Must be nice up there in that ivory tower. Wish I was that good/cool.
Deterministic Chaos is my fav exotic, it procs demolitionist healing on my void titan, pops barriers, and weakens bosses, honestly my fav all around weapon! It needs a bit of a damage increase and a mag increase to really be in line with other choices
Yes you are using euphony outside of damage, on a warlock at the very least. The amount of threadlings that thing spawns from normal ads makes it insane at ad clear, I'd say its better at dealing with normal enemies than bosses honestly but it still does great damage for a special weapon. Run that on a prismatic threadling build and you're clearing rooms of any enemy type, minor to mini bosses insanely quick. I wouldn't argue for an S since its not the best at anything that it does but an A since what it does do is insane for a special weapon. Even without the threadling build it still does its job well enough, I've been running it on my titan and hunter too with some pretty good results cause the gun builds up its stacks real quick on its own esp if you're hitting your headshots against lower enemies. Probably my favourite gun they've ever introduced.
Not gonna lie, my 100 intellect, kinetic siphon, bad juju, orpheus combo is probably one of my favorite setups in the game rn. The sheer speed at which I can get my tether back feels like pre-nerf Orpheus, which is awesome in higher end content, and my fireteam certainly never complains
Aegis plays low tier content speedruns, datto plays high end content normally, so they'll expect and want VASTLY different things. Aegis wants DPS, speed and add destruction, Datto wants total damage and add control.
Very different lists for different players. Aegis rewards perfection alot more and leans alot more towards ideal situation I find. He has gotten better and not expecting perfect situation for everything. Like when he ranked microcosm in a higher tier because of ease of use in a day 1. Dattos tier list is ranking them based on how good they are for the average player.
@@fleefietrue, speed runs have such a different meta as they don't have any real difficulty so it's just what kills the fastest. Aegis does review how good stuff is in other endgame stuff though like gms and day 1. But imo he leans on perfect execution to much and dis regards consistency to much
Yo Datto. You should do a video about the different metas over the years. Rank them in a similar way to their effectiveness/ease of use compared to now. As a returning player I hear people talk about old metas and I'd be interested to know more about it
It’s crazy how Thunderlord has been S Tier since its inception, I’ll be sure to let all my blue berry friends know Datto said to use it for witness DPS ✊
Honorable for you to run a tier list, but you haven't rated all the exotics based off of power. A good amount are "you snooze" or "it's boring". Definitely comes off to me as this being a tier list based off of what you like, rather than what you initially implied with it being focused on power. I definitely agree with you on Ruined Bloodline though, that's an amazing exotic.
People that don’t understand how multiplicity works in legend campaign are the ones asking for help not understanding my joining you makes it harder for you to balance my being there.
@@jacobmathews-xo4ov Not if your teammates are burgers. If they can't solo the legend campaign themselves then multiplicity will probably outscale them
@jacobmathews-xo4ov I've always found that when someone requires help in the legend campaign, they're consistently the experience and playstyle of a vegetable, so they waste the rezzes and cause a guaranteed wipe in the process. And if they need to hide in a corner as to not waste a rez token, then they are therefore not doing damage or not killing things in line of sight, so it would effectively just be a harder solo as is. The best way to run the legend campaign has always been solo. It's literally about as hard as a solo Prophecy completion before the changes, if you do just the tiniest bit of buildcrafting.
The thing I'll say about Zen Meteor is that it's peak "We made an exotic that isn't actually that good, but it's a fun meme" and i kinda wish we still had that kind of 'fun just for fun's sake, not everything needs to be competitive" mentality from exotics.
It's not because Ace gets the damage bonus against red bars. Also if you saw the video you'd know that he has in there also because of how it's been consistently good in pvp since it released
@@petervalvo1186 I saw the video. The argument of "a legendary does this just as good, why would you waste your exotic with this?" was brought ALL THE TIME. Also "we don't care about pvp" was also repeated to exaustion, hence Dead Messenger on the garbage tier
I actually kinda liked nemesis star for pvp. It was basically what if tap the trigger also had a rate of fire boost. That was it. Went kinda hard in PvP because you just had very rpm for your TTK. Would make an interesting legendary perk nowadays.
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"Historically this weapon has existed" I feel like this applies to more than half the weapons in the game
I'm pretty sure that applies to all weapons
@waffles47_87 ill give you 1/3, I dunno about half. That's a bit too much.
To be fair every “meta” there’s like a handful of top tier exotics and everything else just kinda exists. Not necessarily bad or good, they just happen to be there.
Or “not worth the slot” and “there’s a better legendary” are applicable to over half the exotics in d2
Not the crimson
**Timestamps**
[00:00:00] Intro & Methodology
[00:01:18] Ace of Spades
[00:02:09] Ager's Scepter
[00:02:35] Anarchy
[00:03:28] Arbalest
[00:04:24] Bad Juju
[00:05:08] Bastion
[00:05:40] Black Talon
[00:06:10] Borealis
[00:07:50] Centrifuge
[00:08:13] Cerberus
[00:08:59] Cloudstrike
[00:10:18] Coldheart
[00:11:03] Collective Obligation
[00:11:50] Conditional Finality
[00:12:23] Crimson
[00:12:52] Cryosthesia
[00:13:33] D.A.R.C.I.
[00:14:01] Dead Man's Tale
[00:14:48] Dead Messenger
[00:15:28] Death Bringer
[00:16:19] Delicate Tomb
[00:18:01] Deterministic Chaos
[00:19:00] Devil's Ruin
[00:20:00] Divinity
[00:20:41] Duality
[00:21:17] Class Glaives
[00:22:39] Eriana's Vow
[00:23:11] Ex Diris
[00:23:45] Eyes of Tomorrow
[00:24:31] Fighting Lion
[00:25:45] Final Warning
[00:26:30] Forerunner
[00:27:14] Gjallarhorn
[00:27:47] Grand Overture
[00:29:49] Graviton Lance
[00:30:42] Hardlight
[00:31:17] Hawkmoon
[00:32:21] Heartshadow
[00:33:15] Heir Apparent
[00:33:59] Hierarchy of Needs
[00:35:54] Izanagi's Burden
[00:36:51] Jade Rabbit
[00:36:54] Jötunn
[00:38:05] Le Monarque
[00:39:10] Legend of Acrius
[00:40:07] Leviathan's Breath
[00:41:48] Lord of Wolves
[00:42:25] Lorentz Driver
[00:43:18] Lumina
[00:45:45] Mealfeasance
[00:46:27] Merciless
[00:47:28] Mida Multi-Tool
[00:47:55] Monte Carlo
[00:49:08] No Time To Explain
[00:50:23] One Thousand Voices
[00:51:14] Osteo Striga
[00:52:12] Outbreak Perfected
[00:52:49] Parasite
[00:53:26] Polaris Lance
[00:54:05] Prometheus Lense
[00:55:03] Quicksilver Storm
[00:55:54] Rat King
[00:56:38] Revision Zero
[00:57:15] Riskrunner
[00:58:06] Ruinous Effigy
[00:58:56] Salvation's Grip
[00:59:29] Skyburner's Oath
[00:59:40] Sleeper's Simulant
[01:00:52] Sturm
[01:01:20] Sunshot
[01:01:50] Suros Regime
[01:03:08] Symmetry
[01:03:56] Tarrabah
[01:04:28] Telesto
[01:05:00] Tessellation
[01:05:41] Chaperone
[01:06:23] The Colony
[01:06:25] The Fourth Horseman
[01:06:57] The Huckleberry
[01:07:48] The Lament
[01:09:10] The Manticore
[01:09:57] The Navigator
[01:11:00] The Prospector
[01:11:47] The Queenbreaker
[01:12:03] The Wardcliff Coil
[01:12:45] Thorn
[01:13:43] Thunderlord
[01:14:28] Ticuu's Divination
[01:14:57] Tommy's Matchbook
[01:15:29] Touch of Malice
[01:16:18] Tractor Cannon
[01:17:18] Traveler's Chosen
[01:17:36] Trespasser
[01:18:20] Trinity Ghoul
[01:19:10] Truth
[01:19:48] Two-Tailed Fox
[01:20:45] Verglas Curve
[01:21:28] Vex Mythoclast
[01:22:04] Vexcalibur
[01:22:53] Vigilance Wing
[01:23:57] Wavesplitter
[01:24:36] Whisper of the Worm
[01:25:44] Wicked Implement
[01:26:34] Winterbite
[01:27:00] Wish-Ender
[01:28:14] Witherhoard
[01:29:43] Worldline Zero
[01:29:51] Xenophage
[01:30:42] Buried Bloodline
[01:31:33] Dragon's Breath
[01:32:30] Ergo Sum
[01:32:51] Euphony
[01:33:42] Khvostov 7G-0X
[01:34:04] Microcosm
[01:34:31] Red Death
[01:35:21] Still Hunt
[01:35:53] Necrochasm
[01:36:49] Tlaloc (Destiny 1)
[01:37:00] First Curse (Destiny 1)
[01:37:23] Raze-Lighter (Destiny 1)
[01:37:27] Dark-Drinker (Destiny 1)
[01:37:32] Boolean Gemini (Destiny 1)
[01:37:34] Hereafter (Destiny 1)
[01:37:53] Dreg's Promise (Destiny 1)
[01:38:42] Invective (Destiny 1)
[01:39:21] Abbadon & Nova Mortis (Destiny 1)
[01:40:01] No Land Beyond (Destiny 1)
[01:40:32] Plan C (Destiny 1)
[01:41:07] Super Good Advice (Destiny 1)
[01:41:32] Zhalo Supercell (Destiny 1)
[01:41:49] Patience and Time (Destiny 1)
[01:42:20] The Young Wolf's Howl (Destiny 1)
[01:42:23] Pocket Infinity (Destiny 1)
[01:42:33] Nemesis Star (Destiny 1)
[01:42:46] Bolt Caster (Destiny 1)
[01:42:52] Universal Remote (Destiny 1)
[01:43:00] Zen Meteor (Destiny 1)
[01:43:21] Outro
goddamn thank you
you're a legend
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Appreciate it greatly brother !
You missed Red Death at 1:34:31 but great job mapping out the rest of the timestamps damn
“I’m going to be flying through things quickly” video is almost 2 hours
I was gonna say that lmao
@@sureoutlaw822 There are just that many weapons, he definitely didnt spend very long on each weapon lol
To be fair, there’s 121 exotic weapons in the game.
Even if he spent exactly 1 minute per weapon, that’s still 2 hours.
If you saw otzdarva tier list of Dbd he has 8h+ one 😂
2x watch speed was goated here, he speaks so slowly and clearly that you can understand 100% of the video.
Babe wake up, new Aegis tier lis- WAIT A MINUTE
honestly this is so disappointing after witnessing the tierlists from aegis
@@ixodesricinus3001EXACTLY!
@@ixodesricinus3001 datto doesn't know shit about d2🤣
@@ixodesricinus3001 Void fragments ranked for endgame PvE, truly my goat
@@1gn1t333 I get the feeling he's just doing content to fill in time but this is clearly just his preference and nothing really objective sadly.
I did Presage Legend on Fireteam Finder the other night, and this Warlock rolls in with double trace, Black Talon, and blink. I asked twice if everyone was ready, they said they were, so we took off. Had to go back to orbit so he could take blink off, but he really ran double trace and Black Talon intentionally. That guy proceeded to rock the activity. I was stunned.
That's .. wild. Legend presage can be quite annoying rather rhan difficulty but double trace w/BLACK TALON???? A mad lad you love to hear stories about.
Gigachad.
For deathbringer, they should update the catalyst to also lock on a specific target if you aim.
Like you would aim DB at a target, then aim up and fire. All the orbs would target the specific target. And if you want to crowd control with it, just fire without aiming.
Then it’s just eyes of tomorrow 😭😭
@aleatheltrashcan478 a better version. One that can add control and do major dps without needing to kill enemies first. Plus, it starts singular and then volley.
I've experienced and seen multiple people shoot the volley of eyes of tommor rockets, and some would hit walls/random stuff. That would happen rarely, if at all with DB.
How about it just gets two shots or auto loading holster.
Boom instant more useful ness. Still niche, still not the best, but hey not everything can be peak.
@@aleatheltrashcan478 except it doesn’t get ammo back on hits, dathbringer for dps and eyes for ad clear
Also it should carry two rockets in the mag by default. Also if they wanna be really silly they could make fully ramped projectiles make enemies volatile.
The "I need help in legend campaign" bit nearly sent me
I'm so annoyed because DM is one of the best wave frames in the game after the nerf to legendary wave frames and chain reaction but he calls it garbage tier and invalidates anyone trying to explain why it's not
@@Data-AnalystSera we're getting Marty back with Incand presumably. DM means nothing to me even after the chain nerfs. it's also not such leagues better than other waves for me to warrant the exotic slot
@@Data-AnalystSeraI placed 5th place with my team for Crota day one (Xbox only, 7th place overall for console and like 150th place when you include pc) I also have every title in the game, guided every conqueror and I have almost 200 flawless runs in trials and I love dead messenger. Guess I’m garbage 🤷🏻♂️
@@Data-AnalystSeraMarty killed DM, sorry. No use at all anymore, waste of an exotic slot.
@@Data-AnalystSera because you're still using your exotic slot on a waveframe with no additional perks my guy
The damage type switch weapons need subclass keywords depending on the damage type
That’s kinda there with tessalations catalyst
That would make hard light/borealis viable
You could say a change like that would be...
_FUNDAMENTAL??_ :D
@@Bob-mm6hq Hard light would, borealis would still absolutely not be
@@eba6949 to be honest I have zero kills on borealis so it was a speculation. I was thinking a x3 more useful DARCI
Deterministic chaos would be so much better if they just gave it the catalyst that's already in the API, for those who don't know, deterministic Chaos's catalyst in the API says that it gives it forth times the charm, this would make it amazing, maybe not the strongest DPS machine ever but it would be able to consistently apply those void debuffs and just lay on the trigger while having great ammo economy
They keep reworking it but not fixing its actual problem which is that you have to reload it more than you shoot.
They should give it amped up fttc. Like hitting 4 bullets at all would return 2, maybe with each 16 returning 4. That would be pretty cool i think
Honestly I would love if they made it like a void thunderlord and make it refill ammo every time it procs a void debuff
The tiny magazine is it's main problem
@@fluidwolfNova mortis. You're thinking of Nova mortis
Drinking game idea: Take a shot every time Datto says "historically".
like the raid encounter one where he says "not doing anything for me"
everyone collectively raising torches when datto sleeps on witherhoard
me with parasite
For real. Witherhoard is amazing.
For content where you want to stay alone and hide behind cover, absolutely Witherhoard
I did a Battleground with a dude who had 30k kills on a Hardlight. I couldn’t believe it.
He must REALLY hate shields
Hard light goes….hard?
I got hardlighted in control while standing completely out of LOS
Probs pvp
It really isn't bad. But it also isn't good. It is the definition of "mid".
The weapons should be rated by "would you like it if Jez used this"
THATS WOULD MAKE SO MUCH SENSE MAN
Aegers is so fun with the artifact this episode
It’s fantastic w a double special setup w cenotaphs
@@Twist-kj2fbdoes the helmet drop special for you also, or just team mates??
@@Zerkinz If you tag an enemy AND an ally gets the "last hit," then you get ammo too.
@Zerkinz What ^ nope says
Said
Datto you should consider a series where you debate the Destiny community about their hot takes just like Fantano, hell there was even material here worth being talking points for such a series. Looking forward to the future of your content!
On Tommy's Matchbook: It's kinda dogwater 90% of the time, BUT, much like running necro w/ Thorn, running a healer build on warlock w/ Speaker's just absolutely unlocks this thing.
Speaker's was the missing piece to make this thing COOK. I have the thing causing ignitions CONSTANTLY on higher health targets, and I'm just sitting there, practically unable to die. Aztecross featured it in a build battle if you wanted to check it out! Suuuper fun build, highly recommend if you wanna give it a try.
Theoretically (need to try this myself), you might be able to run prismatic, healing grenade, as many scorch aspects as you can, Hellion, Devour, and do the same thing but w/ the addition of Prismatic? Idk but the base pure solar is soo good.
It’s been fantastic on Titan with precious scars/lorelys especially with artifact perks. The current auto rifle mods make it fucking crazy especially the loading one. Honestly my favorite exotic weapon as a sun breaker main since TK
Not that really matters, but for anyone who cares, a good trick you can do when making a tierlist in front of an audience, start by setting 2 benchmarks, something you think is in the highest tier and something that's in the lowest, it gives the audience a better frame of reference from the start allowing for a clear understanding from the jump
Witherhoard is at least an A. Datto is an insane person
Yeah it has to be min A
Nah I feel inclined to agree with c tier, our weapons have gotten so damn powerful that the chip damage that witherhoard offers is ellipsed by other exotic special and technically now has its job stolen by lost signal. Not terrible but replaceable: Easy C tier
If you said that like a year ago I’d agree but as of right now idk. Especially since the big nerf to duration it got a while ago.
Nah it's had too many nerfs and just isn't worth the slot anymore.
he is and him saying he's never used it absolutely makes sense
witherhoard really hurt the soul when you gave it bottom c tier
Witherhoard is currently fire, used it in onsalaut and it was really good. It was also good in pvp against bubble and well meta
idk man i feel like there are many better things to use now
especially since it takes our exotic slot
with like the strength of our abilities, i don't see as much of a need (still useful tho thus C)
Witherhoard is good in ALL content. Boss damage? Respectable plus great with B&S. GM’s? Great at killing champions. Ad clear? Last a good amount of time. Onslaught? All of these and more. Witherhoards only weakness is PvP and even then it has great usage as an area denial tool. Datto is crazy to put it at C tier.
Witherhoard deserves B or higher but, as a wither main (75k+) I have to admit it's been pushed out of the meta a bit.
I miss WMC
The only time I ever liked using witherhoard was when starfire was popping but even then it was an end to a mean I didn't actually like the weapon
If Heartshadow has 100 fans I'm one of them
If Heartshadow has 10 fans I'm one of them
If Heartshadow has 1 fan I'm one of them
If Hearshadow has no fans then I am dead
Make that 2 fans
Let’s make that 3 fans.
@PulseBladeenjoyer Make that 3 fans (I hate it)
Fighting lion above heart shadow is insane 🥲
Stupidest comment I’ve seen today.
Great job.
Its unfortunate to me that the Hammerhead i have that runs volatile rounds and ramping damage, 2 non synergistic traits entirely, still better than Deterministic Chaos
Sweet Business stands alone at the peak in Sweet-tier.
Currently up sweeting my business
So many of the exotics are on par with legendary versions. DMT, Delicate Tomb, etc. In those cases I'd rather run a legendary and use an exotic that is powerful. Good list Datto. Can't say I disagree with anything too much.
Delicate tomb is insane on arc warlock with fallen sunstar, it’s just non stop ability spam and jolting everything with the fusion
Dead Man's Tale actually does crazy amounts of extra damage to enemies compared to legendary versions, but yore right, some of these exotics were just the prototypes of a new weapon frame
@@ColonelDrax303falls off in gms though
@@ColonelDrax303Would never use it in end game content. Arc Warlock is not strong at all and if that weapon requires a specific class subclass to be at its peak then that isn’t exactly good.
@@ColonelDrax303 Coldheart is just better in the same exact build
I'm not arguing for dead messenger. But if it's garbage so is hardlight. To be clear, I think they both deserve to be there. But hardlight is def worse than Dead Messenger.
I think part of his and my rationale is that if you're using Hardlight, you can down shields pretty much just as easily as with Dead Messenger but you have infinite ammo. And you can still run a special in kinetic slot without having two specials equipped resulting in less ammo being available.
That being said, these two guns along with Borealis all are trash in today's sandbox, and I feel the only way to make any of them relevant is if each elemental damage mode also applied their respective damage verb perks (Voltshot, Destabilizing, Incandescent)
@giriessaba1567 I get it. I just think if I use dead messenger, I'm at least getting something unique. It's a wave frame with 3 waves where hardlight is an auto rifle with ricochet rounds. Dead Messenger can do somewhat decent add clear in low tier content. I do understand your point, though. I will say I would usually rather use an exotic primary for the exotic damage buff. I just think dead messenger is at least more unique to have somewhat of a niche.
Luminas rating will correspond to the tier of player using it. It’s S for S tier players and garbage for garbage tier players lol
this.
On point dude.
Lumina always stays in my inventory (warlock main, a damn good one, should explain it) 🫰
As someone who plays support no matter what Lumina will always be my favorite exotic. This allows more options for my friends to play what they want while I get to play with something that is meta but I find the most fun. That alone will always keep it as my primary for everything besides solo content (even then its a basic handcannon with a far more consistent subsistence).
Not even a warlock main but as a titan main but God damn whenever I play warlock I use lumina and boots of assembler and jeez it makes me feel useful lol
Outbreak just does everything… unless we’re doing burst damage on a boss, I will never question you using it (even then you might just be out of ammo)
Datto: "This is the power list, not the fun list."
Also Datto: "Osteo is powerful, but it's C because it's boring."
No he put it C because it absolutely sucks right now
He put witherhoard C because its boring… I’m confused he rates most weapons based off strength then some based off how fun they are?? Like make up your mind ffs
I noticed this too, kinda bothered me. Like hierarchy of needs or even ticcus above osteo? Really? HUCKLEBERRY? ffs
@@jackburkel4119 Huckleberry kinda good though. Pre-nerf Rampage doesn't mess around.
He put final warning in C lmao Power my balls
"So you're the person that needs help in legend campaign!" XD
I think it's funny the argument against dead messenger is "it's useless/powercrept just use consecration/forb" and yet i can count a dozen weapons that are placed above it that the same argument can be used for
For real like what did dead messenger do to this man lol
Tbh the whole list just turns into “what guns does Datto like” instead of objectivity. His ranking of Witherhoard and Wishender is moronic imho
Dead messenger is garbage bro just accept it. Theres no builds to make it shine, its just garbage
@@wojakc7745 im pretty sure he didnt rank more than half of the guns based on builds, also i dont think dead messenger is good i just dont think it deserves anything under at least a D
@@camerongodsey9847imma keep it real with you I'm looking over this list at 3 in the morning but so far the only placement I feel that way about is cryosthesia over final warning(The raw damage it deals thanks to its catalyst really pushed into having some actual use cases)
Bad Juju got good this season(Episode: Revenant). Those cursed thrall explosions and the extra super energy make it a strong choice in most content. I'd rate it at least A-tier now. Still not as amazing as Outbreak.
Skyburner's oath is not that bad, the hipfire applies scorch really well for a primary. Sure it's no sunshot, but that doesn't make it unusable. The range benefit that it gives you is not to be scoffed at.
Man did chat fumble the bag arguing in favor of Parasite, there's actually a nice damage rotation that exists with it and aberrant action (or a solar fusion rifle of your choice) where you put on solar loader, shoot the aberrant 3-4 times and then shoot the now reloaded parasite again (bonus if you can use a reload dodge of some sort for parasite). It's deals competitive damage and is also incredibly ammo efficient
yea whoever said they liked it for killing champs folded HARD. Like wtf no, its burst dmg is the real selling point.
-I feel like people get hung up on the melee part of glaives when really they're a gun with a shield
-Delicate Tomb has a horizontal spread so you can tag multiple enemies at a time with jolt more easily
-Deterministic Chaos has a use as a support weapon to heal your team on Void Titan, and apply weaken (I wish they would give it the 4TTC catalyst already, and buff the mag size)
-No one uses Lumina because everyone wants to be the main character instead of the support, doesn't mean it's not really good.
-No Time To Explain has synergy with the Warlock buddy build
-Heartshadow gives weaken and invis on any class and subclass, which can be pretty useful in a panic, and has good synergy with a Briarbinds Warlock to go invis and pick up your children
-Skyburner's Oath is great with Weighted Knife Hunters or Dawn Chorus Warlocks :(
-Sweet Business and Tommy's Matchbook are my two most used exotics on Titan, paired with Actium War Rig (I'm insane)
-Tesselation... is it really worth going through an animation of consuming your grenade and charging up the charge shot when you could.. just throw the grenade?
-Witherhorde is great because it's easy to just tag a high health target and it'll just die while you do something else
Delicate Tomb:(indebted kindness)
Deterministic Chaos: no arguments here
Lumina: Again no complaints here either
No Time to Explain:Got indirectly screwed over by arc souls getting their interaction with devour nerfed(still like the gun though)
@@Gildedbolt You reminded me to finish watching the video and i have added the rest of my thoughts lol
@@GildedboltThe nerf for Arc Souls is only the 5% from Getaways, it's hardly noticeable
"Historically Bastion has been a c tier"
I disagree, i remember when it came out and was wildly slept on in PvP and I was getting 3.0 kda constantly with it.
If this was only PvE id agree but it was a monster before people made videos on it and the usage rate went up
When Bastion could kill a guardian with each of the three bursts was absurd. I never got the triple down, but getting two guardians with one burst was 🤌
Datto my Balatro streamer
Can't believe my favorite Balatro streamer plays Destiny 2.
Haven’t played since witch queen and I still watch these videos. Curse you Datto.
I haven’t played since Lightfall campaign and I also still watch Datto’s videos
I dont even know what Destiny or Datto is but i still watch Dattos videos
Bro says its not a fun factor tier list then he knocks final warning down because he doesnt think it's fun
Why is everyone a bro?
@@PersianWolverineDon’t complain about a bro calling a bro ‘bro’, bro
he also doesnt even know abt queenbreaker doing almost as much dps as sleeper, this tier list is a joke
@@briancho237 iam not complaining. I just dont understand. Why cant someone be.. i dont know.. uncle , aunt, sister, little bro big bro.. step sister or step bro? Or why not just brother? Why bro?
@@thetoolie5917the tier list is a joke cuz he doesn’t like your trash only good in niche situations, ight🤣
Datto turning into NorthernLion for the Jade Rabbit commentary is gold
I'm just here to see if Buried Bloodline gets the respect it deserves
e/ S-Tier, as it should be. Well done
This Gun is killing me i'm at 40 completions With no drop yet
@@iid7hmI’m at 66-67 looted clears with 71 runs in total if that makes you feel any better 😅
@@verbatim_lol damn have you done any Drop rate boosters challenges?
@@iid7hm The most I’ve given the dungeon is the normal find the hidden chests, lore, whatever it was, and a master run. I don’t like it at all so I won’t do solo or flawless
@@verbatim_lol I think You're talking about the Hidden Bones and The master Run I mean these 2 Should Boost the drop rate Up to 10% Or so . Hopefully Next week!
I really wish Dead Messenger had something where it would have some kind of elemental add clear perk based on its current selected element. Basically, something like Incandescent for Solar, Volt Shot for Arc, and Destabilizing Rounds or self proc Volatile Rounds for it's void version
My brain has three needs
1. Throw big rocks into water
2. Die in a war in an epic last stand
3. Tier lists
Based
Zhalo Supercell is the only remaining D1 exotic yet to be brought over that has a D2 clone and the last really requested one. We finally got Red Death back putting Crimson out of it's misery, now it's time to do the same with Riskrunner and give us Zhalo back.
Black talon maybe wasn't ever the best, but it was meta for prestige eater back in the day. one of the weeks would be power weapon sword and if you had prism when it switched to void would basically be the only way you could damage argos besides whatever your primary and energy were
For the argument of the exotic glaives, the titan one saw some use for a hot moment when it was discovered you could throw a bubble down and then pop behemoth ulty and then spam the heavies in the bubble popping them all super quick and consistently all of them. Granted the boss's knee caps have to be clipping into the bubble but it did nutty damage or at least directly enabled it in that moment
i can't believe anyone trusted their vaults to you
Wish-Ender and Witherhoard are my two go-to weapons for competitive PvP.
Wish-Ender is great for seeing where the enemy is going, which tips their strategy. And of course it's great for playing long range peekaboo around corners.
Witherhoard is how you deal with aggressive players that like to blitz. Wait at a choke point and when they enter shoot witherhoard on the ground and immediately melee. This will usually net you a kill and take them out of their game plan as they switch from aggressive to tentative. It's also great for any narrow passages, tunnel areas, doorways, spaces with low clearance, etc. Works even better when their whole team gets jammed up and damaged as the first guy tries to back up while the others are still moving forward.
The navigator is S tier for the "if you know" people (Synthos grapple melee)
feels that way for most of the list. Stuff like parasite, malf, lumina, final warning, eriana's and much more go higher. But only "if you know"
I want to say something about Deathbringer: It's super fun to use, it can pull off some wild ad clear, the air drop rounds can get to enemies behind walls, from far away, and in weird places - it's useless against fast movers, but makes for a hell of a surprise for anything slow or that doesn't see you coming. Deathbringer isn't just a nine round Nova Bomb launcher, it's also a lifestyle, and I think it has a lot more utility than it's often given credit for. It's doesn't work everywhere, but I think you'd be surprised.
On RUclips to break from a game, watch videos about the same game
The disrespect on witherhoard is crazy. go look Philly Phils solo flawless dps builds and witherhoard is BEASTLY on those things. Not to mention when starfire was king, witherhoard was borderline mandatory
36:52 "Jade Rabbit" *go next* 🤣
It’s funny how he went from taking the chat into account with the ratings early in the video and by the last quarter at wishender and witherhoard… he’s just like “nope it sucks… get good…” and moves on despite chat Booooing 😅
Was a fun video to watch through. Entertaining.
The take on witherhoard is WILLDDDDD
God remembering Bad JuJu swarm grenade super farming in crucible was nuts back in D1.
Polaris in D tier is a tragedy. That is one of the better "dad" guns out there. Sure, it lost some potency after the artifact change in TFS but it still is really good in difficult content. Should be in the B tier at minimum. I would take it over any of the weapons you have in C tier.
Ace of Spades is B-tier btw. There are a ton of legendary handcannons I'd take over that any day.
Datto! Wish-Ender and Witherhoard and your placements of them.....wth!? Those are 2 of the better weapons in the game. Easily A tier.
Polaris has no real reason to be used right now(no instant ignition nor a champion scout mod means it's getting benched for sunshot)
I actually agree with your assessment for ace of spades so nothing to comment on here.
Witherhoard is now out classed in pretty much every category except single target dps by lost signal(a LEGENDARY gl)
As for wishender it's main issue right now is that you don't need it's anti barrier properties when the artifact mods(and prismatic as a whole) makes it stupidly easy to proc radiant
Polaris hard depended on the Artifact, its super mid rn.
Heir apparent is pretty mean in PvP. Machine guns can already be difficult to out gun at times, but having that shield is an extra step you have to cut through to deal with it.
Aeger's on S tier while Final Warning ends up at C is literally insane. Once you learn how to use Final Warning, it is one of the easiest S tier weapons in the entire game
Fr absolutely insane dps and free unraveling alone makes it deserve A tier
well datto is no longer an elitist
He still doesnt get it. One day he will.
@@caiquepacha3606 Fr
I hate that i have to agree....lol hated it and got the Cat to drop right away and after learning it doing the Cat....holy shit that thing SHREDS EVERYTHING.😂
I feel like Slavangers Salvo had a massive glow up that just never got highlighted and flew under the radar, for me easy A tier
Lol the dead messenger consecration roast was wild and I love it 😂
Finally someone’s honest about witherhoard everyone always gassing this weapon always has me scratching my head
We don't even have the new exotic weapon w its traits yet and this is already happening
Yes we do, leaked a while ago
@@arxidiax2arxidiax276we videos of how the gun shoots and it's perks but no one actually has the weapon so we don't know how good or bad it is
@@threeofjays6420 we also can't tell if it's actually a special weapon or if that's just placeholder
Who cares
@@dankerbellwe know it’s a primary
Imo, if I’m imo, this tier list is solid imo.
Ace in A is criminal, last time Ive seen someone use that thing in pve was Forsaken...
This. I have no idea why he put it over many of the best exotics in the game.
Delicate tomb was amazing, when i done my blind, ionic trace warlock build there was so many abilities flying lol
There is no way this dude put Witherhoard in C tier
Forerunner is one of those weapons that it’s nostalgia for halo players because it’s the halo one Magnum dress up your titan as a master chief run forerunner, and the BX are battler and an energy sword, and there you go, your master chief
Putting forerunner ahead of final warning is a war crime and slur combined. It’s 20240815 1829 local time and he just put lumina in front of final warning.
So sad to see wicked implement so far down!😭 I know it’s not the best but it has a special place in my heart! It never leaves my invintory
THE WITHERHOARD SLANDER WILL NOT BE ACCEPTED
I was gonna watch this on my lunch then saw the almost 2 hour length. Guess it’ll be while I’m chilling instead
Final Warning at C tier is blasphemy
Agreed
Grand Overture in B but Parasite in D is wild considering they're more or less the same.
Polaris Lance as D tier? I think it's C tier personally since it is pretty good but it's pretty much designed for hitting nothing but precision shots. You end up missing a precision shot and it can mess up the rhythm you get going on with it. I think the big thing is that there are better weapons to use over it that don't require constant hits of precision shots.
Polaris doesn’t fit into our playstyles nowadays The game now encourages players to engage in close ranged combat to make their rotations work and nowadays we have abilities that can melt adds with less cooldown and also weapons that is so powerful that even Polaris in its good days with seasonal perks can’t compete So yeah Polaris falling to D tier ain’t that of a surprise Y sit there aiming for hs if we can just melt adds with explosives and nades
It's way to slow and with no more artifact mods it just isn't worth it.
Outbreak does more for less
Polaris with last seasons artifact in GMs was s tier
@@aleatheltrashcan478 it was ez and safe to use and effective yes But not strong enough to be ranked in S imo
@@MakabeMatsuria lot of solo GM clears used it. Respect just for that. And to the others, the artifact mod for bigger ignitions works great with it right now.
Gotta say one of my favourite lumina moments in recent memory was week 3/4 pantheon doing gaze and having 1 gaze guy with it and the other with tractor. Felt pretty optimized.
I love ager's scepter, I've used it on a loooot of different builds and is one of my favourite exotics, but it is by far not what I would consider S tier
I'd say it feels S when running double special or something, and especially with how it clears ads like nothing. I feel like supers are too strong to justify the alternative fire unless you're on Cenotaph Warlock, so I'd say A at the lowest
@@ozfernau6763 on endgame content it kind of drops off in terms of damage, and you end up using a limited ammo exotic gun when running something like sunshot would be better to feed your special ammo weapon
Also rocket sidearms exist and those are stupidly good for double special!
having to use stasis lock which is like the least useful warlock subclass brings it down, conditional is at least a tier higher
@@ozfernau6763 Depends on the super. There are some disposable supers that do warrant the alternative fire mode, but most of them aren't worth the investment.
@@lcepik21 I can't speak to conditional, but aegers is versatile, works from different ranges, and is crowd control and ad clear based where conditional seems like it would be focused more on blasting a big target and whatever is directly around it
GLAIVES WERE INSANE on Contest mode Salvation, during the herald fight, 2 shotting any blight and able to endlessly tank the herald in the fighting pit
Can we all agree that this point tarrabah stow drain can go right?
I just wish it had something else going on. Like I get that it becomes a beast when fully charged but I think it needs something that can make it synergize with a build.
Unfortunately, it's actually really insane when stacked in pvp which honestly is the only reason it's still there. I'd prefer a rework to make the beast mode SPAM ignitions or something similar.
these videos from you are gonna shake up the meta now thanks
cloudstrike at B is criminal
Agreed lol, A at bare minimum
The main thing I remember about Borealis is getting an absolutely lit collateral with it in crucible, Gambler's Run, or whatever that fallen base map is called. Good times.
I miss the exotic tear lists. Maybe we could get 1 once a year 🤔
Just dedicated a lot of time to Delicate Tomb and switching to indebted immediately after was a breath of fresh air
He likes symmetry, which is absolutely garbage. He's never used wish ender but dislikes it and only amateurs use it. Pukes on witherhoard. Must be nice up there in that ivory tower. Wish I was that good/cool.
I absolutely adore vexcaliber, I will happily argue A teir with the right build.
Deterministic Chaos is my fav exotic, it procs demolitionist healing on my void titan, pops barriers, and weakens bosses, honestly my fav all around weapon! It needs a bit of a damage increase and a mag increase to really be in line with other choices
Outbreak with transcendence makes it S. The transcendence build up is crazy plus the damage is nutty for a primary.
everyone been sleeping on Ager's Sceptor. It's been like a secret i havent wanted to share in case everyone uses it and then Bungie nerfs it LOL
Yep, this was me for a while then I saw that thumbnail. It's over😢
Hope they don't realise the power of cryosthesia
Delicate Tomb is kinda great with Arc warlocks, especially when combined with Fallen Sunstar
Yes you are using euphony outside of damage, on a warlock at the very least. The amount of threadlings that thing spawns from normal ads makes it insane at ad clear, I'd say its better at dealing with normal enemies than bosses honestly but it still does great damage for a special weapon. Run that on a prismatic threadling build and you're clearing rooms of any enemy type, minor to mini bosses insanely quick. I wouldn't argue for an S since its not the best at anything that it does but an A since what it does do is insane for a special weapon. Even without the threadling build it still does its job well enough, I've been running it on my titan and hunter too with some pretty good results cause the gun builds up its stacks real quick on its own esp if you're hitting your headshots against lower enemies. Probably my favourite gun they've ever introduced.
Not gonna lie, my 100 intellect, kinetic siphon, bad juju, orpheus combo is probably one of my favorite setups in the game rn. The sheer speed at which I can get my tether back feels like pre-nerf Orpheus, which is awesome in higher end content, and my fireteam certainly never complains
crazy how different this list is compared to Aegis' list, actually night and day
Because Aegis is an actual good endgame Destiny player and datto is just...datto.
well the two lists have very different criteria and are intended for two vastly different audiences
Aegis plays low tier content speedruns, datto plays high end content normally, so they'll expect and want VASTLY different things. Aegis wants DPS, speed and add destruction, Datto wants total damage and add control.
Very different lists for different players.
Aegis rewards perfection alot more and leans alot more towards ideal situation I find. He has gotten better and not expecting perfect situation for everything. Like when he ranked microcosm in a higher tier because of ease of use in a day 1.
Dattos tier list is ranking them based on how good they are for the average player.
@@fleefietrue, speed runs have such a different meta as they don't have any real difficulty so it's just what kills the fastest.
Aegis does review how good stuff is in other endgame stuff though like gms and day 1. But imo he leans on perfect execution to much and dis regards consistency to much
Yo Datto. You should do a video about the different metas over the years. Rank them in a similar way to their effectiveness/ease of use compared to now. As a returning player I hear people talk about old metas and I'd be interested to know more about it
It’s crazy how Thunderlord has been S Tier since its inception, I’ll be sure to let all my blue berry friends know Datto said to use it for witness DPS ✊
Loving these tier lists. My opinions are forming as you speak.
No way he put witherhoard in C ☠️
Right?! 😂
@@shisuiuchiha2159 I don't like using still hunt much and I know it's s tier. Witherhoard is still A tier at least
Honorable for you to run a tier list, but you haven't rated all the exotics based off of power. A good amount are "you snooze" or "it's boring". Definitely comes off to me as this being a tier list based off of what you like, rather than what you initially implied with it being focused on power.
I definitely agree with you on Ruined Bloodline though, that's an amazing exotic.
People that don’t understand how multiplicity works in legend campaign are the ones asking for help not understanding my joining you makes it harder for you to balance my being there.
The difficulty scaling doesn’t overcome the power scaling of an entire extra guardian in the legendary campaign 3 man is always the easiest completion
@@jacobmathews-xo4ov Not if your teammates are burgers. If they can't solo the legend campaign themselves then multiplicity will probably outscale them
@jacobmathews-xo4ov I've always found that when someone requires help in the legend campaign, they're consistently the experience and playstyle of a vegetable, so they waste the rezzes and cause a guaranteed wipe in the process. And if they need to hide in a corner as to not waste a rez token, then they are therefore not doing damage or not killing things in line of sight, so it would effectively just be a harder solo as is.
The best way to run the legend campaign has always been solo. It's literally about as hard as a solo Prophecy completion before the changes, if you do just the tiniest bit of buildcrafting.
I explain whenever I join, we each get one Rez, so if you go down twice we are done. Play your life and let me do my job and we'll get through this
@ellieswagaye I'm pretty sure that is the name of the modifier. I could be wrong.
The thing I'll say about Zen Meteor is that it's peak "We made an exotic that isn't actually that good, but it's a fun meme" and i kinda wish we still had that kind of 'fun just for fun's sake, not everything needs to be competitive" mentality from exotics.
Ace in A the entire time is insanity. It's just a 140 with firefly and a damage perk. Midnight Coup with one for all is better.
It's not because Ace gets the damage bonus against red bars. Also if you saw the video you'd know that he has in there also because of how it's been consistently good in pvp since it released
@@petervalvo1186 I saw the video. The argument of "a legendary does this just as good, why would you waste your exotic with this?" was brought ALL THE TIME. Also "we don't care about pvp" was also repeated to exaustion, hence Dead Messenger on the garbage tier
I actually kinda liked nemesis star for pvp. It was basically what if tap the trigger also had a rate of fire boost. That was it. Went kinda hard in PvP because you just had very rpm for your TTK. Would make an interesting legendary perk nowadays.