It was insane with all those lateral and vertical g forces (5.5g and 3.5g respectively) for 18 of the 23 secs of the lap. Drivers having symptoms of dizziness, tunnel vision and disorientation as well as inner ear balance affection and (perhaps the scariest of all) “g-loc” which would have killed someone very quickly if the race wasn’t canceled. Still, our old heroes tested the human body limits that day and wrote history. An unforgettable chapter in the annals of racing
I think this video should be historically significant because due to safety reasons, they cancelled this race because of g forces and the cars were never the same since. Since Fernandez qualified first, this is the fastest a human will ever race around a racetrack in a sanctioned race.
You're right. Good catch. I forgot about that when I revisited this video. The fastest video of the qualifying session. If one emerges with a faster time then that one should be historically significant. Either way, it's splitting hairs.
+brian lewis Actually that title is held by Gil De Ferran at Fontana in 2000 (241.4mph avg... that easily means over 250mph tops in the back straight! bloody hell that's above 400km/h) Look it up, even from the outside shot the car's going so fast the video looks like it's on fast-forward.
Well it should be historically significant for something haha. How about the point in which the machine technology exceeded the human body? In any case, these cars were overwhelming...To see and, I would guess, to drive.
If you watch this onboard and compare it with the IRL cars of the same year it is incredible to see the speed differences. These guys were doing 230+ MPH while the IRL guys were running 215MPH. No wonder the cars were too fast for the track and the CART drivers suffered blackouts.
As an EURO and a big fan of F1 since a was a kid, I started watching this in parallel with F1, why majority of Muricans never gave it as much thought, boggles my mind...
In the era you started being able to see it outside the US, it was our biggest racing series by far. NASCAR tried to sabotage it before that by backing the badly mismanaged USAC side in their dispute with upstart CART in 1979-80, and then again backed Tony George when he tried to relitigate the same fight in 1996. This time NASCAR got what they wanted: a prolonged stalemate that seriously wounded both the IRL and CART sides. But the CART era before the 1996 split was indycar racing’s absolute peak in popularity.
@@de-fault_de-fault The way i saw it, their biggest mistake was to not induce a cap! Allowing the rise of cost and going against the F1 in terms of engine development, got Honda,Toyota and Mercedes to rethink their budget spending and just go with the global F1! Shame, it was a good time!
Usually I have a hard time truly realizing the g-forces that a driver is under during an onboard but this is so clear to see, as fast as they wrapped around those corners I can’t even imagine what that must’ve really felt like
I found this video of a guy who is not a driver going through the G force, this in an F1 on a track with low speed curves, the G force reaches 2G or 3G, now imagine 5G or 6G that was what the CART drivers felt in consecutive flat out laps, it is very physically exhausting
@de31168 - practice speeds exceeded pole speeds. Friday afternoon practice = Kenny Brack - 233.785mph. Saturday practice = Paul Tracy - 236.678, Tony Kannan - 236.531, Herta, Papis, all over 236mph.
It might sound weak compared to F1, but remember on an oval the drivers are experiencing high gs for the majority of a lap for long periods, whereas in f1 its generally for a shorter time.
Y pensar que esto paso cuanto......... 14 años y todavía no deja de sorprenderme de la velocidad, woau, y pensar debido a esto la CART se empezó a ir a pique hasta su banca rota en 2003 y después su fusión con INDYCAR.
The g forces, imagine trying to do this for 1 or 2 hours!! Modern F1 and indycar drivers will never imagine this insane hit of lap after lap g force hit. Probably for the better. F1 can go quicker turn to turn for the next 10 years, but the drivers will never experience this sustained hit like on this track.
5Gs for 3/4 of the lap. There’s no way all of the drivers would have survived that race. I’m glad it was cancelled even though it was a black eye for CART, especially after that idiot Wheeler wouldn’t shut up about it.
It doe's but it's not. He cross's the start finish at 21 seconds video time and then again at 44 seconds video time. Witch matches up with his 23 second lap time
The official report implies otherwise; Vegas, where drivers could go flat all over the show, was unlike any other oval in 2011 season. OK, if you're sure LV hasn't been repaved in several years, it does not mean we didn't see what we saw there. Footages show that was the situation was like this: ppl going flat all around the track, 3-wide, side-by-side...you just don't do that on Texas, Chicago, Kentucky, Kansas...not on an open-wheel car.
I remember talking to Roberto Moreno later that year, he said that drivers would get out of the car feeling dizzy during practice because the cars were too fasft and too much G force. Ridiculous stuff.
There was one when Indy Car went to compete at Texas, Kenny Brack sustained multiple fractures and took him about a year to recover ending his Indy career. After his car became all debris he was lucky to live.
INCREDIBLE SPEED, AH ???.... 230mph IN THIS TRACK................OBVIOUSLY SOME DRIVERS GO CRAZY........... IF YOU WATCH THIS VIDEO VERY, VERY CONCENTRATED, YOU WILL FEEL SOMETHING IN YOUR BODY, SOMETHING STRANGE, REALLY !!!..........
@champcarfanjr yes it would, if it weren't for the G forces. If the event wasn't cancelled, probably no one would have finished it...not at race speed, at least.
Holy crap. I can feel the g-force! This is what happens when you put a REAL racecar on an racetrack. Not like the stupid tin cans that handle like crap.
For the "Show to go on," CART would have to either drop the turbo boost way down or no turbos and/or combine with road course set-up...for maximum drag. Just a bad track & race car combination. CART's mistake for never doing a test before putting the track on the schedule.
The key factor was the absolutely flawless asphalt conditions in LV track, which made it possible for all drivers to switch grooves with almost no speed lost. The "absolutely flawless" is my conclusion, but the rest is in the official report (not with these words, of course). Normally, you would have only 1 or 2 grooves in a 1.5 mile oval. You get side-by-side, or 3-wide, you lose speed. That didn't happen in Vegas, where drivers could go flat all over the show.
Even better, CART wanted to run the Hanford Device there. Thankfully the race was aborted, or we would have a Las Vegas-style crash on steroids. Anyway, 2001 was the year, when CART finally put its final nails into the coffin, even though the funeral was much later.
Not even the Hanford Device was effective enough. They were insanely fast, imagine without it - it would easily beat 250 mph. And let's not forget that the rear wing itself has suffered changes after Texas weekend, increasing more drag, consequently creating more closer racing (watch Fontana '01 and you'll realise how close the cars were in comparison to the earlier years). If they used that HD config in Texas, it would be good physically for the drivers once they would be much slower, but they would have a very close racing for hours just like Las Vegas '11 due to the amount of drag applied, increasing the chances of a huge crash and probably a fatality. With CART under financial crisis, they couldn't do any bullshit. They had nowhere to go instead of cancelling the race, which is undeniably the best decision they could've made.
That's why that race was cancelled, because if the IRL cars were running at appropiate speeds at that track, Champ Cars definitely looked like rockets compared with those ones or compared to NASCAR Cars.
Pensar que 11 años vino la tragedia con la partida de este planeta de Daniel Dan Wheldon un circuito peligroso, sensible para conductores temerarios y valientes.
This is patently false. The only person to have died in a DW12 was a result of the open cockpit nature of the car, and not through any fault of the included safety features. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IndyCar_fatalities
Correct, the DW12 is a huge step up, but the IR03 was one that rather fly than stay on the ground. By 'today' I meant on a broader timeline. Sure enough, as of '15 they've even amped up performance a big deal and it's still safe. Hope the next model picks up on that and ups the ante once more. We're overdue!
to this day I believe the teams were sandbagging in testing and therefore nobody knew the true speed of the cars until the weekend and of course it was too fast
This, btw, wasn't skill or balls...It was instinct...Why? Because they weren't really able to think clearly with the G-Forces (5+ Gs for 30+ seconds induces grey/black outs)...
As a non open wheel fan (NASCAR/NHRA fan) I clearly remember IRL fans laughing and making fun of CART. They weren’t laughing & making fun of the IRL in October of 2011. CART was absolutely brilliant in their decision not to race, IRL, complete idiots.
@@bird6691 it's not. Same scenario as drivers were complaining about Las Vegas but the Indycar series didn't listen and someone died. CART did the right thing by listening to the drivers and not racing. That decision may have stopped someone from getting injured or worse.
the human body was never meant to take more than 4 g's for extended periods, if this race were to go off, they would have averaged 6 g's and that would have caused a deadly crash
sin duda en esa época la cart era la categoría más rápida del mundo, hasta 380km en calificación y más de 330km en carrera..... que buenos años hoy la indy por que no se pero no me gusta
There were even faster ovals on the schedule, but I agree on this relatively small speedway the worst was probably going to happen if the race would've been started.
Oh and remember, this lap only put Fernandez 12th on the grid. Kenny Brack's pole lap was at 233!
It was insane with all those lateral and vertical g forces (5.5g and 3.5g respectively) for 18 of the 23 secs of the lap. Drivers having symptoms of dizziness, tunnel vision and disorientation as well as inner ear balance affection and (perhaps the scariest of all) “g-loc” which would have killed someone very quickly if the race wasn’t canceled. Still, our old heroes tested the human body limits that day and wrote history. An unforgettable chapter in the annals of racing
Very well said.
I think this video should be historically significant because due to safety reasons, they cancelled this race because of g forces and the cars were never the same since. Since Fernandez qualified first, this is the fastest a human will ever race around a racetrack in a sanctioned race.
He didn't qualify first.
You're right. Good catch. I forgot about that when I revisited this video.
The fastest video of the qualifying session.
If one emerges with a faster time then that one should be historically significant. Either way, it's splitting hairs.
Haha yeah :')
+brian lewis Actually that title is held by Gil De Ferran at Fontana in 2000 (241.4mph avg... that easily means over 250mph tops in the back straight! bloody hell that's above 400km/h) Look it up, even from the outside shot the car's going so fast the video looks like it's on fast-forward.
Well it should be historically significant for something haha.
How about the point in which the machine technology exceeded the human body?
In any case, these cars were overwhelming...To see and, I would guess, to drive.
If you watch this onboard and compare it with the IRL cars of the same year it is incredible to see the speed differences. These guys were doing 230+ MPH while the IRL guys were running 215MPH. No wonder the cars were too fast for the track and the CART drivers suffered blackouts.
Genuinely
CART drivers had balls of titanium
sadly we'll never see racing or cars from the CART era again
I heard Fernandez, along with other drivers complained of temporarily blocking out due to the excessive G force.
As an EURO and a big fan of F1 since a was a kid, I started watching this in parallel with F1, why majority of Muricans never gave it as much thought, boggles my mind...
Bad media coverage maybe?
@@kerimca98 And IRL/CART war.
We fucked it up with political division. Like we do everything else.
In the era you started being able to see it outside the US, it was our biggest racing series by far. NASCAR tried to sabotage it before that by backing the badly mismanaged USAC side in their dispute with upstart CART in 1979-80, and then again backed Tony George when he tried to relitigate the same fight in 1996. This time NASCAR got what they wanted: a prolonged stalemate that seriously wounded both the IRL and CART sides. But the CART era before the 1996 split was indycar racing’s absolute peak in popularity.
@@de-fault_de-fault The way i saw it, their biggest mistake was to not induce a cap! Allowing the rise of cost and going against the F1 in terms of engine development, got Honda,Toyota and Mercedes to rethink their budget spending and just go with the global F1! Shame, it was a good time!
Usually I have a hard time truly realizing the g-forces that a driver is under during an onboard but this is so clear to see, as fast as they wrapped around those corners I can’t even imagine what that must’ve really felt like
I found this video of a guy who is not a driver going through the G force, this in an F1 on a track with low speed curves, the G force reaches 2G or 3G, now imagine 5G or 6G that was what the CART drivers felt in consecutive flat out laps, it is very physically exhausting
@de31168 - practice speeds exceeded pole speeds. Friday afternoon practice = Kenny Brack - 233.785mph. Saturday practice = Paul Tracy - 236.678, Tony Kannan - 236.531, Herta, Papis, all over 236mph.
It might sound weak compared to F1, but remember on an oval the drivers are experiencing high gs for the majority of a lap for long periods, whereas in f1 its generally for a shorter time.
La memorable prueba de Texas Motor Speedway, que nunca se llevo a cabo, esos carros eran muy rapidos para esa pista.
This is hypnotic, don't matter how much you watch. Esto es hipnótico no importa cuántas veces lo mires.
Y pensar que esto paso cuanto......... 14 años y todavía no deja de sorprenderme de la velocidad, woau, y pensar debido a esto la CART se empezó a ir a pique hasta su banca rota en 2003 y después su fusión con INDYCAR.
The g forces, imagine trying to do this for 1 or 2 hours!! Modern F1 and indycar drivers will never imagine this insane hit of lap after lap g force hit. Probably for the better. F1 can go quicker turn to turn for the next 10 years, but the drivers will never experience this sustained hit like on this track.
01:07 Nowadays IndyCar Engine Revs and Speed Trap.
CartFedex how I miss that Era
5.6G and over 400 kph is insane!
5Gs for 3/4 of the lap. There’s no way all of the drivers would have survived that race. I’m glad it was cancelled even though it was a black eye for CART, especially after that idiot Wheeler wouldn’t shut up about it.
watching his helmet stop shaking and squish down in the banking is wild
wooow 22.1 sec y las fuerzas G de la pista eran muy extremas, muchos pilotos comentaron que estaban a punto de perder el conocimiento en las curvas.
Damn! That would've been a freaking death race if it was allowed to run as scheduled. So exciting to watch the qualifying, though.
How could that dude go that fast with balls that big!!
Made a 1.5 mile track look like a half mile 😲
It's 22 seconds per lap - I'm not 100% sure but I think NASCAR has a hard time with that laptime around Richmond!
they were running as fast at Indianapolis and Michigan on a track 1 mile shorter!!
they would have been EVEN FASTER if they raced after the repave in 2002.
Me absolutely blackout wasted driving 100mph in a 5mph schoolzone
looks like a video game
I'm sure they can do this race today...
On iRacing.
it looks like its at 1.5 times normal speed
It doe's but it's not. He cross's the start finish at 21 seconds video time and then again at 44 seconds video time. Witch matches up with his 23 second lap time
Ducksauce 23.116, that was only 12TH FASTEST.
indycar is like 0.75 speed
Insane. That'st not real. It's a PlayStation Racing Game 🎮 🎮
Kenny Brack and Paul Tracy were the only ones who didn't complain of dizziness.
Those cars were hitting 257-258mph trap speeds at Michigan.
The official report implies otherwise; Vegas, where drivers could go flat all over the show, was unlike any other oval in 2011 season. OK, if you're sure LV hasn't been repaved in several years, it does not mean we didn't see what we saw there.
Footages show that was the situation was like this: ppl going flat all around the track, 3-wide, side-by-side...you just don't do that on Texas, Chicago, Kentucky, Kansas...not on an open-wheel car.
Está categoría era muy buena
I feel unsafe just watching that onboard.
I remember talking to Roberto Moreno later that year, he said that drivers would get out of the car feeling dizzy during practice because the cars were too fasft and too much G force. Ridiculous stuff.
Hell, Carpentier couldn't walk in a straight line for more than 5 minutes every time he got out of the car that weekend.
Max Papis reportedly had trouble in figuring out which straight he was on because they were all going so fast
5G laterial, 2.5G vertical - they needed pressure suits
Only two drivers didn't complain. Kenny Brack and Paul Tracy.
esos autos ademas de tener 900 hp en esa epoca, tambien giraban a mas de 16000 rpm (16300 el Cosworth), el IndyCar actual no supera los 12000 rpm
En ese entonces eran V8 turbo. Los IndyCar actuales usan V6 turbo
There was one when Indy Car went to compete at Texas, Kenny Brack sustained multiple fractures and took him about a year to recover ending his Indy career. After his car became all debris he was lucky to live.
Seems like I read somewhere where that crash was the highest recorded G-force any human has survived.
That was in 2003.
INCREDIBLE SPEED, AH ???.... 230mph IN THIS TRACK................OBVIOUSLY SOME DRIVERS GO CRAZY........... IF YOU WATCH THIS VIDEO VERY, VERY CONCENTRATED, YOU WILL FEEL SOMETHING IN YOUR BODY, SOMETHING STRANGE, REALLY !!!..........
Carros de corrida iguais a esses nunca mais
That is fuckin movin my man.
Well Said..Thank God no one died!!
That was so badass. But I am glad they didnt run this race because someone could have easily died.
2001 IRL races there. Amazing! Impossible today.
@RealRacer2442 Youre right. I never noticed the k after the 600. The race was actually gonna be 248 laps.
this is amazing! I like the part when he turns left!
CART had Turbocharged Engines, the IRL took care of the saftey issue by just not having a turbo
love cart
@champcarfanjr yes it would, if it weren't for the G forces. If the event wasn't cancelled, probably no one would have finished it...not at race speed, at least.
@foggybest The high G force in the corner!
Holy crap. I can feel the g-force! This is what happens when you put a REAL racecar on an racetrack. Not like the stupid tin cans that handle like crap.
looks like a friggin video game!!!!
ADRIAN FERNANDEZ GOES SO FAST IN THIS VIDEO !. WOW !. IS REALLY, REALLY, REALLY FAST. ( 230 mph )
esta fue la carrera que se suspendió?? por la velocidad "excesiva"??
Por las fuerzas G excesivas. Después de varias vueltas, los pilotos comenzaban a sentirse desorientados.
@ohiopower - no shit. It was like 1999 at Fontana. 239mph at Fontana was scary even on camera. I can't frigging imagine in the car. WAY TOO FAST!
@jbracer86
You do realize that most of those drivers you listed had their start in CART right??
For the "Show to go on," CART would have to either drop the turbo boost way down or no turbos and/or combine with road course set-up...for maximum drag. Just a bad track & race car combination. CART's mistake for never doing a test before putting the track on the schedule.
They actually did test but the drivers didn't push hard so the test was useless
It's not twice as fast as Nascar, but it sure looks like that. :D
O my gosh, incredible fast!
The key factor was the absolutely flawless asphalt conditions in LV track, which made it possible for all drivers to switch grooves with almost no speed lost. The "absolutely flawless" is my conclusion, but the rest is in the official report (not with these words, of course).
Normally, you would have only 1 or 2 grooves in a 1.5 mile oval. You get side-by-side, or 3-wide, you lose speed. That didn't happen in Vegas, where drivers could go flat all over the show.
ADRENALINA
Even better, CART wanted to run the Hanford Device there. Thankfully the race was aborted, or we would have a Las Vegas-style crash on steroids. Anyway, 2001 was the year, when CART finally put its final nails into the coffin, even though the funeral was much later.
Not even the Hanford Device was effective enough. They were insanely fast, imagine without it - it would easily beat 250 mph. And let's not forget that the rear wing itself has suffered changes after Texas weekend, increasing more drag, consequently creating more closer racing (watch Fontana '01 and you'll realise how close the cars were in comparison to the earlier years). If they used that HD config in Texas, it would be good physically for the drivers once they would be much slower, but they would have a very close racing for hours just like Las Vegas '11 due to the amount of drag applied, increasing the chances of a huge crash and probably a fatality. With CART under financial crisis, they couldn't do any bullshit. They had nowhere to go instead of cancelling the race, which is undeniably the best decision they could've made.
Holy crap!! That is INSANE speed. It is a good thing this race never happened and no one got hurt. Awesome video though.
230 MPH holey moley
Fernandez’s hands are barely moving,he can’t control the car at all.
That's why that race was cancelled, because if the IRL cars were running at appropiate speeds at that track, Champ Cars definitely looked like rockets compared with those ones or compared to NASCAR Cars.
Pre race tests showed similar speeds in mid 220's. If CART were to race there, speeds would have been like in IRL or slower. IRL was 228mph.
fuckin insane
@zabraoota agreed
WOW!
thats too fast. way too fucking dangerous. damn
@zabraoota its called racing, its about going fast, if the drivers want to risk their lifes then leave them be
Pensar que 11 años vino la tragedia con la partida de este planeta de Daniel Dan Wheldon un circuito peligroso, sensible para conductores temerarios y valientes.
Criticar es gratis Pero esto fue en Texas y lo de Wheldon fue Las Vegas, le haces honor a tu nickname jajaja
To this day I still believe that the g forces debacle was rigged and a conspiracy because of the whole cart irl thing
Drivers chickened out.
And surprisingly today's cars are less safe, yet much slower. Incident rate is relatively similar.
This is patently false. The only person to have died in a DW12 was a result of the open cockpit nature of the car, and not through any fault of the included safety features.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_IndyCar_fatalities
Correct, the DW12 is a huge step up, but the IR03 was one that rather fly than stay on the ground. By 'today' I meant on a broader timeline. Sure enough, as of '15 they've even amped up performance a big deal and it's still safe. Hope the next model picks up on that and ups the ante once more. We're overdue!
This track is ultra fast even for NASCAR, idiocy to try open wheel cars there.
I like that idiocy.
Paul Tracy ran a lap of 236 mph in practice. Its hard to fathom how fast that actually is, without video footage of it.
236mph in a 1.5 mile track! that is insane!
22.542 seconds, out of this world
17 seconds of that was spent turning - no wonder the drivers were blacking out
@@carlosb1with a Banking of 26° in the 4 turns
@@javiergarrido6088 Yes, and a such a narrow track for that speed! This was insane, this could have been a tragic race if it had taken place.
to this day I believe the teams were sandbagging in testing and therefore nobody knew the true speed of the cars until the weekend and of course it was too fast
Imagine driving at that pace and hearing "5th...".
Wild times.
this is stupid fast.
how is he even holding onto the wheel?
This, btw, wasn't skill or balls...It was instinct...Why? Because they weren't really able to think clearly with the G-Forces (5+ Gs for 30+ seconds induces grey/black outs)...
This video is a lost treasure, this were the days Cart was too fast for the motor speedways
As a non open wheel fan (NASCAR/NHRA fan) I clearly remember IRL fans laughing and making fun of CART. They weren’t laughing & making fun of the IRL in October of 2011. CART was absolutely brilliant in their decision not to race, IRL, complete idiots.
Yes. One dude was holding a sing that said C:Cowards A:Aren't R:Racing T:Today They just didn't understand how much faster CART was than IRL.
Totally different scenario
Totally different scenario?? Explain
@@bird6691 it's not. Same scenario as drivers were complaining about Las Vegas but the Indycar series didn't listen and someone died. CART did the right thing by listening to the drivers and not racing. That decision may have stopped someone from getting injured or worse.
But they were so embarrassed, They NEVER HELD A TESTING SESSION IN THAT TRACK. AND WORSE, SPONSORS STARTED TO PULL OUT, followed by Penske.
Champ Cars, making stock cars look like city buses.
Yeahh man Real racing cars
F1 like little city bikes
Dale Jr's pole speed just 4 weeks earlier was just under 191mph.
they make NASCAR Cup cars look like hire karts, especially with that awful package they use
And IRL cars look like well....crapwagons!
I was in Ft. Worth on business and stayed in the same hotel as Fernandez's team
Guys remember OLD CART?? dont you miss it? awesome drivers fast speed cool cars, Fuck!!
I N S A N E
Now imagine other racers around you at this speeds... needless to say big balls and concentration.
It's hard to concentrate when you are on the verge of blacking out
the human body was never meant to take more than 4 g's for extended periods, if this race were to go off, they would have averaged 6 g's and that would have caused a deadly crash
you bet your life they were too fast. the speed limit in nature is gforce and can mess you up
370km/h :O
Insanely fast champcars!
I’ve been watching crash videos all night. This video randomly popped up and I was like holy fuck that’s fast
Any one got the whole qually?
This is so stupidly fast that it looks like a fast forwarded Knight Rider scene!
My left ear loves this video
We need a remastered HD version of this
I can feel the G forces watching this.
United States of America 🇺🇸 Sponsored!
Bring back these speeds!
sin duda en esa época la cart era la categoría más rápida del mundo, hasta 380km en calificación y más de 330km en carrera..... que buenos años hoy la indy por que no se pero no me gusta
Now hitting ludicrous speed.
Staggering!!!
Haha lines were blurred solid!
230plus mph holy crap def would been a major wreck and fatality
There were even faster ovals on the schedule, but I agree on this relatively small speedway the worst was probably going to happen if the race would've been started.
@ApocalypseForFree The pole speed was 233. There was not a 236mph lap turned.
And to think, this race was was scheduled for 600 miles (400 laps).
nah, they were gonna do 600 Kilometers so only 248 laps. but still, not safe at those speeds on THAT track.