@@eternal2469 the jump in power is supposed to happen during his training on the way to Namek. Goku literally trains to near death and then uses senzu beans to recover over and over again. Vegeta explains this when he asks Krillin to blast him so Dende can heal him when fighting Frieza. Sayains are at their most powerful after recovering from a mortal wound.
Technically, due to Trunks heading back in time, a new timeline was created. His timeline is a variable of the one we see, not an absolute. If it were absolute, then regardless of his tampering, Goku would have still died from the heart disease or some other cause and the Androids would have dominated.
@@logicsyncer3263 the whole broly movie timeline is completely messed up. It first says that broly was exiled 41 years before he came to Earth but from when? if it's from 780 what most people seem to think that would mean that he was exiled in age 739. Goku is 3 years old in the movie after the 5-year time skip which would mean that he was born two years later that would make it age 741 but when Goku is about to land on Earth there is a calendar clock that starts at 737 when he traditionally landed on Earth. If Goku is 3 during that time he lands then that means he had to be born in 734. if you add 36 years (minus the 5) to 737 you get age 773 a year before Majin Buu showed up. if the whole thing happened 41 years before present then that would mean that Goku being born 2 years later would only be 39 but if he was born in 734 because it seemed to show he was sent in 737 that would make him 46 so he's either 4 years younger or two years older than he supposed to be in the movie. never States when Broly got exiled we're just assuming it was 732 because that's when Vegeta was supposed to be born in the guidebooks we have no idea how old broly and Vegeta are in those scenes. the whole movie makes it appear that the saiyans have been in power on planet Vegeta for generations instead of a few years like back in dragon Ball z so the broly movie just messes everything up
This is a true masterpiece for a proper timeline. In my honest opinion, it should be used as a teaching tool for how to establish and maintain a sensible canon timeline for a large scale series. Excellent work on it for sure:):).
@@hamzayousuf748 lol your telling us to SUBSCRIBE to your channel instead say check it out before forcing us to do so then again you might get more subs than me
The main timeline we see after the Future Trunks saga is the third timeline right? Because there is the first, with Trunks defeating the androids then Cell kills him and the second where Trunks travels from his to the canon one.
The 1st Timeline is unseen but must exist for a reason i can't remember, but remember a video about this The second is were Cell came from The third is where Future Trunks came from, but his could be a past 1st one, maybe? But it is a seperate one now We see the events of the fourth Timeline Edit- heres a LONG video, but the thumbnail shows 4 so my memory was correct ruclips.net/video/lh58fPJtfR4/видео.html
@@freewyvern707 that's the 2 timeline which is unseen where trunks kills cell and the future with cell doesn't exist in timeline 1 cell kills trunks and steals his time machine which creates a butterfly effect
@@DarthVader-sp8fe I'm confused to what you were saying: Timeline 1: Main timeline (DBS) Timeline 2: Unseen Timeline ( Trunks is killed by Cell after giving Goku the antidote and destroying the future androids). Trunks doesn't return to this timeline. Timeline 3: Main Future Timeline (Future Trunks) Timeline 4: Original Timeline- Cell kills Trunks when Trunks is about to go back to the past, stealing his time machine and travelling to Timeline 1 and creating timeline 2 . THIS causes Trunks in the past (around age 784, when he first travelled to the past), to unknowingly enter the timeline Cell was already in. In other words, Trunks was meant to die, but Cell killing him and travelling to the past allowed the main version of Future Trunks to stay alive when he found out about Cell in the main timeline, deciding not to go back to the future to later be killed by Cell like in the original. I think this might be the butterfly effect you spoke of. Timeline 5: Goku Black's Timeline- Zamasu uses the Time Ring to go back 1 year to the past (Age 779), switch bodies with Goku then killing him. Since Goku is currently alive, this creates a separate timeline where Goku is dead. Goku Black then Travels to Trunks' timeline to recruit Future Zamasu. Timeline 6: Beerus doesn't destroy Zamasu- As Goku Black is alive, Beerus destroying Zamasu created a separate timeline where Zamasu didn't get destroyed and turned into Goku Black.
@@VEMZOfficial no the timeline where dbz and super is held is around timeline 3. Timeline 1 is the true timeline where every Z fighter is dead timeline 2 is the unseen timeline where cell was already killed yeah its abit confusing for more info go to Qaaman's channel he explains it
@@VEMZOfficial also everyone from the main timeline or timeline one is dead which is the timeline trunks is killed after finding out he killed the androids but didn't know cell existed so he killed him took the time machine creating a brand new timeline which means the original future trunks that killed frieza is dead
Bro this is the best Dragon Ball timeline video on RUclips. You gained a loyal fan, subscriber and I pushed that bell icon cause I have been searching for FACTUAL content like this for sometime now. Thanks brother loving what I’m seeing so far
@@justintownsend2217 actually it's not pan should be 6 years old at that point in time and she's stated to be 5 in the episode that makes it inconsistent only further evidence that it will more than likely get retconned
@@justintownsend2217 ok let me explain more clearly. Battle of gods takes place 4 years after the buu saga, videl is pregnant during this time, so it is likely that pan is a new born later that year or the year after. The ending of dbz is stated to take place 10 years after the buu saga or 6 years after battle of gods making pan a minimum of 6 years old. The episode states pan is 5 which wouldn't make sense in the new continuity.
@@drewszabo4672 it was >100 Million so could be 100 Sextrillion years also can't be 100 Million due to the sign used(a line under means greater/lesser or equal to)
Great video! I really hope they just bring it full circle and end it with Goku and Uub but if they do continue to drag it out they MUST revisit that arc and do something with it
beerus is basically buu, he sleeps alot and loves food. so what if that android 21 in her majin lookin form was the destroyer and Vados was her attendant? you know how the nine tailed fox was split yin and yang? or how the nameless namekian split into kami and piccolo. well what if long ago that kid buu was split, yin and yang. one eventually became android 21 and one eventually became fat buu. idk any good beer name or whatever to call android 21 though.
Damnn if he actually kept on training and do his job. That'd be great. But even still, Beerus only takes action if something interests him. He didn't even bother watching Broly's battle. He's still ahead of them.
My theory is that ki is like an alternative to energy. That’s why when Freiza blasted Goku in the ToP, he was all of a sudden able to get up again, and fight. Moreover, the debate whether a kamehameha is actually hot, I may have an answer to. I believe that it would not be hot because you are able to touch it. I think that it would just be like a really heavy object. Also, the reason people evaporate is not due to heat. Kin Kai said himself: *energy and matter are interchangeable.* this could mean that, since ki could be an alternative to energy, they just evaporate. Their matter is turned into energy/ki when they are destroyed.
@@Cowboi_o The 10 year timeskip was in the end of Z which was years before Super, so its safe to say a lot of the Ten year timeskip is retconned ( for example, Uub would likely be retconned as he appeared in the Moro Arc which is like 6-ish years before the 10 year timeskip )
Vegeta is 57 by the end of this timeline adding the 5 years he spent in the chamber and he's been in there multiple times but were never given any indication that he's spent a year in there also he's never been dead for more than a day so no years to reduce from him being in the afterlife
You’re forgetting the time chamber, Vegeta’s already in his 50s. But yeah Bulma’s a little old to be having kids, but hey they probably developed some sort of anti-aging cause her mom should at least be in her mid to late 60s.
Hm, interesting thought. Had goku been able to harness kaioken in the fight against black, would he be able to handle with ease? I understand that the form caused him harm, and energy control loss, but still the focus of blue should keep him alive. And who knows, even then Gokus attempted hakai might have just worked.
I re-read the chapter of the manga where Cell explains to Piccolo how he got there. Cell states that he came 3 years ago and that it takes him 3 years for him to mature underground. It also says this in the subbed. Cell arrived an extra year before Trunks? That would imply Trunks was planing to go back 4 years to tell everyone he defeated the Androids he hadn't even warned them about because he initially went back 3 years before the Androids appeared. But then again, Trunks says it's been there a whole year before he appeared. This is just another example of bad writing for Toriyama. Either that or the Trunks in that timeline was going into the past for the first time or screwed up his settings.
@@Jay_D_Ashe but if elder Kai was linked to Beerus then surely when the elder Kai died to give Goku life then wouldn't that mean Beerus would die? the way i see it is when the Supreme Kai is given that role, the link between the elder Kai and Beerus ends and is transferred over or could even mean Beerus is linked to 2 Kai's? either way since Beerus is alive we can only assume the link no longer exists to the old Kai
SkyTech RTS 2 reasons why. 1. Plot. It convenient for gohan to look a lil older for the plot. 2. Gohan got some of the ox king genes and he just taller 🤷🏽♂️ right now gohan taller than goku
Afterwards: - (Cell Saga ver) Trunks forced recruitment, by Supreme Kai of Time, into the Time Patrol. - The Demon Realm wants to be free, thus Mira and Towa arrive to the main dimension, changing history - Trunks (Xeno) looks for more aid to stop the continuous changes in history - Demigra is free - Demigra wreaks havoc til he gets rekt by the Time Patrollers - Mira and Towa continue their ways tol they too get rekt just like Demigra - Fu is being watched due to his “suspicious” changes in alternate timelines which do not affect the main dimension - Sealas is free - Sealas is causing “changes” and corruptions, and has managed to open portals into the main dimension - Fu is “experimenting” - Goku and Vegeta of a different dimension are recruited into the Time Patrol. - Hearts and a survived and vengeful Zamasu are planning to kill Zeno - The “Dragon Ball Heroes” deal with Sealas - Sealas retreats - DBH deal with Fu and Hearts’ gang - Sealas is planning to aid the DBH by training other dimensionally different versions of them (weird flex, but ok) - Demon Realm still want freedom And I guess you might know what happens next... Btw, all what I wrote is to be taken in a grain of salt til (hopefully) they get canonised, somehow...
@@kobil316SH well you got to admit Dragon Ball timeline even if it's a main timeline is really splintered. Like seriously the d ex machina is trunks crying out loud
Prithviraj Thakur feel like he's a SSJ but definitely SSG wish we see his own episode or flashback fighting against evil sayains sayains weren't that strong until their entire planet was destroyed
Yeah I would really like to see an arc about how Beerus became a god of destruction or some backstory on some of the characters from other universes like Jiren.
I’m pretty sure the ToP arc isn’t age 780 since there was months of timeskip with Vegeta training many times for months which is more than 2 years at least
Not all the Namekians were revived following the events on Namek. It is explicitly stated that because Vegeta was NOT Frieza or one of his men that meant the village he wiped out including one of the six elders were not able to return. I'm being nit-picky but still important.
So Carthu please help me, did Goku stay on Yardrat for a year, and it took him another year to get back to Earth, or did he stay on Yardrat for 2 years?? I never understood why it took him so long to get back.
Okay, this is gonna be complicated but here I go. The timeline from DB to mid DBZ after Frieza's defeat on planet Namek is the main timeline. When mecha Freiza comes to earth, The main timeline Z fighters beat Freiza ( with no help from any "future trunks"). We viewers however don't get to see that happen. After Freiza was defeated, years pass and Goku dies from a heart disease. The rest of the Z fighters were massacred by the androids. Bulma makes her "time machine" which in fact doesn't go back in time, it instead distorts time and space, breaking off into many alternate timelines with different events unfolding in each timeline. The episode where Freiza comes to earth and we first meet "future" trunks is the Alternated timeline. That's right.. till this day, the Goku we know from the beginning is still dead. We are just watching a Goku from an alternate reality. Dragon Ball Goku is forever dead. When Trunks came back home to his mother Bulma after killing Freiza and warning Goku about the androids, He was ambushed and killed by Cell. Cell took his "time machine" and went back to the same alternate timeline we have been watching since it's inception. Because Cell used the "Time machine", he opened up another alternate timeline in which he didn't kill "another future Trunks". "Another Future Trunks" is the man we see when Vegeta, Krillen, Gohan, Tien and Piccolo are fighting Dr. Gero in the rocky mountains. There ya go! DBZ multiverse explained
By “time skips” do you mean that the events are just not covered in detail or do you mean that because of time travel the ages of the characters don’t match up with the amount of time that had passed?
Technically Goku has has two ages one is his spirit's age and body's age. He was 3 when he came to earth 42 years have pass and if you want to add the room of spirit and time that 319 days so that 43 years passed so that actually makes him about 45 or 46 spiritually but he was dead for seven years so that makes physically 38 or 39.
also, Saiyan's really don't start aging till their in their 80's its because the Saiyan anatomy makes sure their in their fighting prime for a long time
some people think goku could be born 3 years prior to 737 due to minus. but minus screwed so many things up. goku could have been shipped off in 740. more plausible because he was a kid of 12 in the 21st world tournament. 13 at best.
I literally just found out today that the events of super happens before the original ending of dbz.. I was mind blown as fuck and it didn’t make sense until I started piecing it all together and remembering uub being a fragile kid in super compared to him at the end of dbz.. This is honestly great writing dead ass
Ok the original dragon ball manga and resurrection F plus dbs broly is canon as they were all written by akira toriyama. For dragonball super akira toryiama wrote some rough guidelines for toei and toyotarou to create dragonball super, this means that only things that both the manga and anime share are canon, which means all arcs of dbs are canon but anime exclusive details such as super Saiyan blue Kaio-Ken and manga exclusive details like mastered super Saiyan blue are non canon. The dbz movies, dragon ball gt, and bardock father of goku, episode of bardock and plan to eradicate the super sayians are all non canonical as they were produced exclusively by toei not akira toriyama. The canon bardock story is unfortunately dragon ball minus. The history of trunks is weird as it is based of a manga chapter written by toriyama, however some details are non canonical so be careful. Also Yo! Son goku and his friends return! I don’t really know about but tarble is 100% canon coz he was mentioned in dbs broly. This took way too long, hope you enjoy! Don’t know y I posted this just thought I’d let u guys know
Love the video bruh. I now have one question that perhaps anyone in the comments could answer if they know. Does this mean that Dragon ball heroes is not a part of the manga? Or is the heroes saga with that dude who tried to kill the grand priest just filler in between the tournament of power and the moro saga? Cuz the anime is starting to get confusing, lol
or how about this couple Gohan and Android 18!!! to make this work though krillin would marry maron and they have a blue haired daughter marron. Android 17 and Android 18 will have to be the biological children of Mr. Satan so that Pan would still be Mr. Satan's granddaughter and Pan would have blonde hair. i would assume gohan and android 18 would marry when gohan and videl originally did. and goku would be Android 18's father in law it would be weird.
well if Mr. Satan is too young to be there father then write him to be a little older idk. so one day dr. gero kidnaps 17 and 18 and he doesn't see them again until the cell games where maybe he sees cell throw her up and gos "Hey wait a second that's my daughter!!!" and yeah gohan was 10/11 when he first met 18 so in 10 years maybe they could marry in age 777. because maybe 18 has feelings for gohan because maybe he had the remote instead of krillin and she kissed him on the highway and not krillin and he wished for the bombs to be removed and he saved her from cell. yeah it's crazy.
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Finally a good dragon ball timeline video (unlike cbr and screenrant using filler) thank you carthu
@Joseph Williams yes it is technically almost whole show is filler just watch totallynotmark latest video
@Joseph Williams So the copy Vegeta arc was in Toriyama's notes?
I keep getting they're annoying videos recommended to me I don't even watch them
wait what about super dragon ball?
Yes
Never realized Goku turned Super Saiyan the same year as his fight with Vegeta
And just one year after he couldn't even beat Raditz.
The power creep in this series is real.
@@KaiserMattTygore927 ??
@@kingzingo1784 he meant before he sayin that in 1 year he achieved so much power
@@eternal2469 yeah true
@@eternal2469 the jump in power is supposed to happen during his training on the way to Namek. Goku literally trains to near death and then uses senzu beans to recover over and over again. Vegeta explains this when he asks Krillin to blast him so Dende can heal him when fighting Frieza. Sayains are at their most powerful after recovering from a mortal wound.
Well, ironically Trunks timeline is the real time line. The one we see is an alternate.
Actually the Cell timeline is the real one.
@@DMU1503 Actually, eminem is the real slim shady, so cOUNTER ThAT
Jarred Emanuel the real current timeline is Goku black
There are multiple timelines actually there is no Original one
Technically, due to Trunks heading back in time, a new timeline was created. His timeline is a variable of the one we see, not an absolute. If it were absolute, then regardless of his tampering, Goku would have still died from the heart disease or some other cause and the Androids would have dominated.
I love Carthu and his videos, he actually puts effort and it shows in his videos!
VanishingFang how did u get that Dragonball in ur name???
He went to his website and payed (I think)
Damn Hit literally made us skip so many damn years.
....
@@assassinhit6684 LMAO
@@assassinhit6684 LMMFAAOO
kupah he’s a dbs character
The legendary assassin of universe 6
Goku is 43 by the end of this timeline I added the 4 years he had in the chamber and subtracted the 8 years he spent in other world
Logic Syncer so Thts goku actually age? I thought he was 70
@@supersaiyangodvegtio9590 If you count the fact that people don't age while in other world than yea
@@dawheat_ Then you add the 4 years he spent in the hyperbolic time chamber
@@logicsyncer3263 the whole broly movie timeline is completely messed up. It first says that broly was exiled 41 years before he came to Earth but from when? if it's from 780 what most people seem to think that would mean that he was exiled in age 739. Goku is 3 years old in the movie after the 5-year time skip which would mean that he was born two years later that would make it age 741 but when Goku is about to land on Earth there is a calendar clock that starts at 737 when he traditionally landed on Earth. If Goku is 3 during that time he lands then that means he had to be born in 734. if you add 36 years (minus the 5) to 737 you get age 773 a year before Majin Buu showed up. if the whole thing happened 41 years before present then that would mean that Goku being born 2 years later would only be 39 but if he was born in 734 because it seemed to show he was sent in 737 that would make him 46 so he's either 4 years younger or two years older than he supposed to be in the movie. never States when Broly got exiled we're just assuming it was 732 because that's when Vegeta was supposed to be born in the guidebooks we have no idea how old broly and Vegeta are in those scenes. the whole movie makes it appear that the saiyans have been in power on planet Vegeta for generations instead of a few years like back in dragon Ball z so the broly movie just messes everything up
@@ChiChiLand299 x
I feel like Dragon Ball has the most timeskips out of all anime and manga series.
Yeah
@@MicHael-hn9fi no jojo timeskips doesnt surpass 10 times and dragon ball has already surpassed 10 times in terms of the time skips they had
Yeah goku started out as a kid and now he’s a grandpa
This is a true masterpiece for a proper timeline. In my honest opinion, it should be used as a teaching tool for how to establish and maintain a sensible canon timeline for a large scale series. Excellent work on it for sure:):).
“Goku loses to Jackie Chan”
The sentence killed me, even though I know the context.
When I first heard that line I thought the same
So Goku got married at the age of 19 and made a kid at age 20 huh interesting
Honestly, I wonder if Goku really understood what marriage or even sex was before they actually got into it.
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@@hamzayousuf748 what no
@@eeenriquegabrielnegro8167 what kar you saying
@@hamzayousuf748 lol your telling us to SUBSCRIBE to your channel instead say check it out before forcing us to do so then again you might get more subs than me
It's funny how the year that Gohan dies in the Future Trunks timeline is the same year in which happens the Tournament of Power from our timeline.
Ya why didnt beerus wake up?
Also why didnt buu come earlier
Also why didnt moro eat the entire galaxy before the goku black arc
@@lxxdccvii3740 I dunno man, I just said something I know for a fact
@@lxxdccvii3740 because the cell saga was made first, and toriyama didn't think of all of this.
The main timeline we see after the Future Trunks saga is the third timeline right? Because there is the first, with Trunks defeating the androids then Cell kills him and the second where Trunks travels from his to the canon one.
The 1st Timeline is unseen but must exist for a reason i can't remember, but remember a video about this
The second is were Cell came from
The third is where Future Trunks came from, but his could be a past 1st one, maybe? But it is a seperate one now
We see the events of the fourth Timeline
Edit- heres a LONG video, but the thumbnail shows 4 so my memory was correct
ruclips.net/video/lh58fPJtfR4/видео.html
@@freewyvern707 that's the 2 timeline which is unseen where trunks kills cell and the future with cell doesn't exist in timeline 1 cell kills trunks and steals his time machine which creates a butterfly effect
@@DarthVader-sp8fe I'm confused to what you were saying:
Timeline 1: Main timeline (DBS)
Timeline 2: Unseen Timeline ( Trunks is killed by Cell after giving Goku the antidote and destroying the future androids). Trunks doesn't return to this timeline.
Timeline 3: Main Future Timeline (Future Trunks)
Timeline 4: Original Timeline- Cell kills Trunks when Trunks is about to go back to the past, stealing his time machine and travelling to Timeline 1 and creating timeline 2 . THIS causes Trunks in the past (around age 784, when he first travelled to the past), to unknowingly enter the timeline Cell was already in. In other words, Trunks was meant to die, but Cell killing him and travelling to the past allowed the main version of Future Trunks to stay alive when he found out about Cell in the main timeline, deciding not to go back to the future to later be killed by Cell like in the original. I think this might be the butterfly effect you spoke of.
Timeline 5: Goku Black's Timeline- Zamasu uses the Time Ring to go back 1 year to the past (Age 779), switch bodies with Goku then killing him. Since Goku is currently alive, this creates a separate timeline where Goku is dead. Goku Black then Travels to Trunks' timeline to recruit Future Zamasu.
Timeline 6: Beerus doesn't destroy Zamasu- As Goku Black is alive, Beerus destroying Zamasu created a separate timeline where Zamasu didn't get destroyed and turned into Goku Black.
@@VEMZOfficial no the timeline where dbz and super is held is around timeline 3. Timeline 1 is the true timeline where every Z fighter is dead timeline 2 is the unseen timeline where cell was already killed yeah its abit confusing for more info go to Qaaman's channel he explains it
@@VEMZOfficial also everyone from the main timeline or timeline one is dead which is the timeline trunks is killed after finding out he killed the androids but didn't know cell existed so he killed him took the time machine creating a brand new timeline which means the original future trunks that killed frieza is dead
Nice, I have been wanting a good DB timeline and it finally happened!
Bro this is the best Dragon Ball timeline video on RUclips. You gained a loyal fan, subscriber and I pushed that bell icon cause I have been searching for FACTUAL content like this for sometime now. Thanks brother loving what I’m seeing so far
dragon ball and dragon ball Z: takes years to become stronger and unlock new forms
dragon ball super: takes just a few minutes to become a god
technically, it took them 40 years to become gods. And they are trained by an angel soooo.... you cant complain
Stfu
@@DinoCoke Youre trying to tell me Android 17 and Frieza were trained by gods and Angels?
@@zanin34122 youre trying to tell me Android 17 and Frieza are gods?
@@rattman3975 basically if they can fight God goku and God vegeta at full strength they are basically gods
I definitely think the original ending of z won't be canon anymore
Currently it is
@@justintownsend2217 actually it's not pan should be 6 years old at that point in time and she's stated to be 5 in the episode that makes it inconsistent only further evidence that it will more than likely get retconned
Justin Townsend the db ending is not canon
@@kaku4434 it is tf
@@justintownsend2217 ok let me explain more clearly. Battle of gods takes place 4 years after the buu saga, videl is pregnant during this time, so it is likely that pan is a new born later that year or the year after. The ending of dbz is stated to take place 10 years after the buu saga or 6 years after battle of gods making pan a minimum of 6 years old. The episode states pan is 5 which wouldn't make sense in the new continuity.
They are most definitely going to go past the dbz ending
thts the dragon ball gt show but its not canon so maybe they might renew it
Super in my opinion isn't cannon
@_어린것 It doesn't feel that cannon to me
@_어린것 I don't have anything against u
@_어린것 Same plus dbs has some cannon points however there are some issues that I have of super being cannon
Nice video Carthu keep up your awesome vids
Thank you for putting all this together I appreciate your hard work
100 million years seems like a really short time.
exactly what I was thinking...
@@drewszabo4672 it was >100 Million so could be 100 Sextrillion years
also can't be 100 Million due to the sign used(a line under means greater/lesser or equal to)
@@freewyvern707 or nondecilion
How much of a difference would it have made if Goku was able to train with king Kai for nearly the full 10 months, rather than the 4 months?
I think Goku would probably have had a power level of like 12-16,000. Considering the huge jump in power from the 400s to over 8,000.
Imagine playing MTG with Carthu and he says "You can't do that."
This must have taken a long time
Good idea on explaining the entire dragon ball franchise
Great video! I really hope they just bring it full circle and end it with Goku and Uub but if they do continue to drag it out they MUST revisit that arc and do something with it
This is great! Amazing work!!
A very well put together timeline. Good job
The show has a fantastic history and a huge hit as seen from Toonami
You forgot to mention uubs birth before the tournament of power
Not true
Trooper Gohan go back to the episode when goku talks to dende about 17s location
Ok
You sure Uub is in DBS I though he was in GT or DBAF
GokuGucci uub was mentioned in super the final episode of dbz also has uub
What if Beerus wasn’t lazy
beerus is basically buu, he sleeps alot and loves food.
so what if that android 21 in her majin lookin form was the destroyer and Vados was her attendant?
you know how the nine tailed fox was split yin and yang? or how the nameless namekian split into kami and piccolo.
well what if long ago that kid buu was split, yin and yang. one eventually became android 21 and one eventually became fat buu.
idk any good beer name or whatever to call android 21 though.
MasterFalkner beerra
already happend
Is Jason your. Real name
Damnn if he actually kept on training and do his job. That'd be great. But even still, Beerus only takes action if something interests him. He didn't even bother watching Broly's battle. He's still ahead of them.
My theory is that ki is like an alternative to energy. That’s why when Freiza blasted Goku in the ToP, he was all of a sudden able to get up again, and fight. Moreover, the debate whether a kamehameha is actually hot, I may have an answer to. I believe that it would not be hot because you are able to touch it. I think that it would just be like a really heavy object. Also, the reason people evaporate is not due to heat. Kin Kai said himself: *energy and matter are interchangeable.* this could mean that, since ki could be an alternative to energy, they just evaporate. Their matter is turned into energy/ki when they are destroyed.
So technically they are literally sending people to hell with energy beams
Carthu: this is where the timeline ends
DBO and the Xenoverse games: *allow us to introduce ourselves*
They could be another timeline
Granhola ark: am I a joke to you
This whole timeline thing can be really confusing lol
Frrr
yea I never knew Tournament of power was before the last tournament of DBZ when he fights Uub, crazy to think that Goku has UI at that point.
@@Cowboi_o that part is like semi cannon
@@Cowboi_o The 10 year timeskip was in the end of Z which was years before Super, so its safe to say a lot of the Ten year timeskip is retconned ( for example, Uub would likely be retconned as he appeared in the Moro Arc which is like 6-ish years before the 10 year timeskip )
Vegeta is 57 by the end of this timeline adding the 5 years he spent in the chamber and he's been in there multiple times but were never given any indication that he's spent a year in there also he's never been dead for more than a day so no years to reduce from him being in the afterlife
Thank you for the Explanation Carthu 👍
Hello Carthus another eggcellent video on Dragon Ball Lore I have just started my DBZ journey thanks i didn't know where to start
So Bulma had bulla when she's 46 and Vegeta is 47. OMG that's old.
Bulma often wishes to be younger with the dragonballs and saiyans age very slow
You’re forgetting the time chamber, Vegeta’s already in his 50s. But yeah Bulma’s a little old to be having kids, but hey they probably developed some sort of anti-aging cause her mom should at least be in her mid to late 60s.
@@lrkcm373 Bulma often wishes to be younger with the dragon balls and Saiyans age very slow Vegeta won't become old until he's 80 years old
Vegeta is a year older than bulma yes but actually hes 5 years older than her because Vegeta trained in the time chamber
Hm, interesting thought. Had goku been able to harness kaioken in the fight against black, would he be able to handle with ease? I understand that the form caused him harm, and energy control loss, but still the focus of blue should keep him alive. And who knows, even then Gokus attempted hakai might have just worked.
I'm 100% sure they going to give Vegeta Kaoiken to go with Ultra Ego
Finally a good timeline video that doesn’t put non canon material and false arguments in it
I re-read the chapter of the manga where Cell explains to Piccolo how he got there. Cell states that he came 3 years ago and that it takes him 3 years for him to mature underground. It also says this in the subbed. Cell arrived an extra year before Trunks? That would imply Trunks was planing to go back 4 years to tell everyone he defeated the Androids he hadn't even warned them about because he initially went back 3 years before the Androids appeared. But then again, Trunks says it's been there a whole year before he appeared. This is just another example of bad writing for Toriyama. Either that or the Trunks in that timeline was going into the past for the first time or screwed up his settings.
What about Hit trying to assassinate Goku? That may be filler but still, I think it's pretty important.
No such thing as filler in dragon ball super.
@@robloxtrolling1907 yup
Sword Man how do you have the 1 Star ball as a emoji
Consenda I have it because I am a member of Carthu's Channel 👍
Sword Man cringe
Great work, very informative!
What if buu killed the supreme Kai (which kills beerus)
what if the elder Kai was trapped.
do you think that's that might be beerus loophole?
By the way that's a really good what if.
That's why Beerus put Old Kaiou Shin (Elder Kai) in the Z-Sword.
@@Jay_D_Ashe that clever Kitty.
@@Jay_D_Ashe but if elder Kai was linked to Beerus then surely when the elder Kai died to give Goku life then wouldn't that mean Beerus would die? the way i see it is when the Supreme Kai is given that role, the link between the elder Kai and Beerus ends and is transferred over or could even mean Beerus is linked to 2 Kai's? either way since Beerus is alive we can only assume the link no longer exists to the old Kai
What if Moro never came to universe 7 grand supreme Kai would've easily defeated buu
Well done vid cleared a few things up. Noice
Broly vs jiren in their full power? I always wanted to know
I love carthus videos they're amazing keep up the good work
So by the beginning of the tournament of power trunks and Goten should be 14 and 13 respectively and they still look like kids lol
Elijah Gonzalez goku did as well until he became 18/19 thats when we see the goku we know.
@@shawnpjean Sure, but Gohan at AGE 11 looked older than all three of them.
Sayains age different
SkyTech RTS 2 reasons why. 1. Plot. It convenient for gohan to look a lil older for the plot.
2. Gohan got some of the ox king genes and he just taller 🤷🏽♂️ right now gohan taller than goku
Nah fam, pretty sure it’s simply due to inconsistency:
mobile.twitter.com/dragonball_ask/status/690424218123526144
Thanks man now I'm back up to date with the timeline
Afterwards:
- (Cell Saga ver) Trunks forced recruitment, by Supreme Kai of Time, into the Time Patrol.
- The Demon Realm wants to be free, thus Mira and Towa arrive to the main dimension, changing history
- Trunks (Xeno) looks for more aid to stop the continuous changes in history
- Demigra is free
- Demigra wreaks havoc til he gets rekt by the Time Patrollers
- Mira and Towa continue their ways tol they too get rekt just like Demigra
- Fu is being watched due to his “suspicious” changes in alternate timelines which do not affect the main dimension
- Sealas is free
- Sealas is causing “changes” and corruptions, and has managed to open portals into the main dimension
- Fu is “experimenting”
- Goku and Vegeta of a different dimension are recruited into the Time Patrol.
- Hearts and a survived and vengeful Zamasu are planning to kill Zeno
- The “Dragon Ball Heroes” deal with Sealas
- Sealas retreats
- DBH deal with Fu and Hearts’ gang
- Sealas is planning to aid the DBH by training other dimensionally different versions of them (weird flex, but ok)
- Demon Realm still want freedom
And I guess you might know what happens next...
Btw, all what I wrote is to be taken in a grain of salt til (hopefully) they get canonised, somehow...
Ahmad Salem that’s non canon
Chremic Never said it was; was trying to make a more canonical guess as to what would happen IF and when it happens to happen...
Ahmad Salem none of this will be revealed canon but they can integrate it into the plot like broly
@@Deathmare235 The reason why I typed the plot the way I did was to prove your point
Its so nice to have a timeline video made by someone who actually loves the story and not channel federator
I knew a lot of them, but mostly the last one because that’s what would start off GT.
GT isn't canon
@@brianharvey2847 yes it is.
@@brianharvey2847 who asked
Thank you!! I need these kind of vids!!
So Goten and trunks designs need to be updated asap? How can they still look like 6 years old? In four years they should be like 16!
great content bro
Watching this at 3am. I want to die.
Omg! Me too.. why? Lol
5.30am to see what fights should I use to make a present for a fan lol I haven't seen the saga in ages, and didn't remember what happened first 😅
4:51 pm for me
Why
Didn't ask
I love your What-if videos
What if Gohan never stopped training part 3 please
Me having grown up with DBZ: first half of the video "Yeah this is cool!" , Everything after the 10:00 timestamp "WTF is this nonsense?"
We will not talk about filler or GT dann he put that in stone
6:28 of course the BIRTHING OF A CHILD was off camera!
Now when you say main timeline you do understand Goku dies of a heart virus in that it without trunks intervening therefore making a split timeline
That’s not our timeline so it’s not the main one
@@kobil316SH well you got to admit Dragon Ball timeline even if it's a main timeline is really splintered.
Like seriously the d ex machina is trunks crying out loud
10:20 this is what i came for! so glad you mentioned it
1:40 No you are wrong Yamoshi was the first Super Saiyan God not a super Saiyan and that is Confirmed by Akira tori ya ma by himself!
But then we get told goku was the first super saiyan god by Akita tori ya ma, plus I think beerus wouldvd known about yamoshi and fought him
@@10ksubscriberschickenwithn42 exactly
Prithviraj Thakur feel like he's a SSJ but definitely SSG wish we see his own episode or flashback fighting against evil sayains sayains weren't that strong until their entire planet was destroyed
@@10ksubscriberschickenwithn42 How can Goku be first SSG if shenron knew of the legend and ritual how to become one?
Sheesh, grew up watching DBZ. Played one game that seemed to cover everything. I didn't know of most of the stuff here.
I hope they go even past the main cast and make some side arck's
Yeah I would really like to see an arc about how Beerus became a god of destruction or some backstory on some of the characters from other universes like Jiren.
Maybe a spin off about what Gohan and trunks did in the 23 years of hiding
Awesome video
Just for fun, but can someone tell me how many times he said *”Revived”* and *”Time”* in the video?-
And with shots!
I’m pretty sure the ToP arc isn’t age 780 since there was months of timeskip with Vegeta training many times for months which is more than 2 years at least
Not all the Namekians were revived following the events on Namek. It is explicitly stated that because Vegeta was NOT Frieza or one of his men that meant the village he wiped out including one of the six elders were not able to return. I'm being nit-picky but still important.
So Carthu please help me, did Goku stay on Yardrat for a year, and it took him another year to get back to Earth, or did he stay on Yardrat for 2 years?? I never understood why it took him so long to get back.
Okay, this is gonna be complicated but here I go.
The timeline from DB to mid DBZ after Frieza's defeat on planet Namek is the main timeline. When mecha Freiza comes to earth, The main timeline Z fighters beat Freiza ( with no help from any "future trunks"). We viewers however don't get to see that happen. After Freiza was defeated, years pass and Goku dies from a heart disease. The rest of the Z fighters were massacred by the androids. Bulma makes her "time machine" which in fact doesn't go back in time, it instead distorts time and space, breaking off into many alternate timelines with different events unfolding in each timeline.
The episode where Freiza comes to earth and we first meet "future" trunks is the Alternated timeline.
That's right.. till this day, the Goku we know from the beginning is still dead. We are just watching a Goku from an alternate reality. Dragon Ball Goku is forever dead.
When Trunks came back home to his mother Bulma after killing Freiza and warning Goku about the androids, He was ambushed and killed by Cell.
Cell took his "time machine" and went back to the same alternate timeline we have been watching since it's inception. Because Cell used the "Time machine", he opened up another alternate timeline in which he didn't kill "another future Trunks". "Another Future Trunks" is the man we see when Vegeta, Krillen, Gohan, Tien and Piccolo are fighting Dr. Gero in the rocky mountains.
There ya go! DBZ multiverse explained
No
@@abs305 Yes
Great video
If they go beyond the end of Z I think they should make a canon version of GT like what they did with Broly.
Agreed.
Or finally bring Cooler into canon. That could work too. Hell, I'd be down for Janemba. Just canonise more movies!
@Lucky Jolteon praise Mata Nui!😂
@Lucky Jolteon nooooooo! If you are ever interested again you can go to the BioMedia Project it is an archive of everything.
Or make an adult Uub saving the world and showing Goku that he made his wish true
By “time skips” do you mean that the events are just not covered in detail or do you mean that because of time travel the ages of the characters don’t match up with the amount of time that had passed?
It's just when the story doesn't cover an amount of time
I thought that Goku Black Saga happened during 780.
bro this is 4 years old what else happend if you haven't already could you make a video on the rest
This timeline explained video is accurate unlike CBR
Gohan_angers yeah I guess
This RUclipsr did a Way better than Company RUclips channel
@Lucky Jolteon wat??
@@J.coleswrld cbrs is better for some reason they actually include the most important event the creation of the super dragon balls
@@godslayer8894 nah but question have you seen their articles on Goku ?
@@J.coleswrld I like everything about this list except he missed the creation of the super dragon balls yes it is terrible
Buu has existed since the dawn of time so he’s over 13 billion years.
He's actually time immemorial old. Also, I think you're taking the age of our universe, which is wrong
So Goku is freaking 51 years old...
He should get a retirement soon enough
Technically Goku has has two ages one is his spirit's age and body's age. He was 3 when he came to earth 42 years have pass and if you want to add the room of spirit and time that 319 days so that 43 years passed so that actually makes him about 45 or 46 spiritually but he was dead for seven years so that makes physically 38 or 39.
also, Saiyan's really don't start aging till their in their 80's
its because the Saiyan anatomy makes sure their in their fighting prime for a long time
@Lucky Jolteon when he arrived on earth, he was about 3
@Lucky Jolteon he met bulma 10 years after, he was 12
@Lucky Jolteon he met bulma 10 years after coming to earth, he was 2 when he landed on earth. when he met bulma later on, he was 12
some people think goku could be born 3 years prior to 737 due to minus. but minus screwed so many things up. goku could have been shipped off in 740. more plausible because he was a kid of 12 in the 21st world tournament. 13 at best.
Still missing DB Online, it was written by toriyama as a sequel to his manga
He is also missing the Super Dragon Balls
I literally just found out today that the events of super happens before the original ending of dbz.. I was mind blown as fuck and it didn’t make sense until I started piecing it all together and remembering uub being a fragile kid in super compared to him at the end of dbz..
This is honestly great writing dead ass
F’s in the chat for Broly the 47 year old virgin. Hopefully Cheelai will give him some little green saiyans one day.
Btw where is the granola arc when the moro arc is done? U rlly need to make a part two :l
Main timeline: Goku died in an ailment and androids terrorizing the planet.
Rebel Soldier correct.... the one we watch is OUR MAIN..... but FUTURE TRUNKS TIMELINE, is theeeeee 1st Timeline
You summarize my knowledge about db
Nice video
I don't know any piccolo, I know someone called *Ma junior* though!
He called him Ma Junior for not being recognized as Great Demon King Piccolo, however, Ma means demon in japanese.
@@Jay_D_Ashe I think he was making a funny, mate.
Ok the original dragon ball manga and resurrection F plus dbs broly is canon as they were all written by akira toriyama.
For dragonball super akira toryiama wrote some rough guidelines for toei and toyotarou to create dragonball super, this means that only things that both the manga and anime share are canon, which means all arcs of dbs are canon but anime exclusive details such as super Saiyan blue Kaio-Ken and manga exclusive details like mastered super Saiyan blue are non canon. The dbz movies, dragon ball gt, and bardock father of goku, episode of bardock and plan to eradicate the super sayians are all non canonical as they were produced exclusively by toei not akira toriyama. The canon bardock story is unfortunately dragon ball minus. The history of trunks is weird as it is based of a manga chapter written by toriyama, however some details are non canonical so be careful. Also Yo! Son goku and his friends return! I don’t really know about but tarble is 100% canon coz he was mentioned in dbs broly. This took way too long, hope you enjoy!
Don’t know y I posted this just thought I’d let u guys know
Love the video bruh. I now have one question that perhaps anyone in the comments could answer if they know. Does this mean that Dragon ball heroes is not a part of the manga? Or is the heroes saga with that dude who tried to kill the grand priest just filler in between the tournament of power and the moro saga? Cuz the anime is starting to get confusing, lol
I love how he mentions the they were born off screen like they would show the child being born
Isnt bulla born on camera?
Or the process
Always thought Ssj Bardock was the first super saiyan
That's non-canon.
Oh kinda hope that was cuz then bardock will be the legendary ss all along
Wogboy dosent mean he's the LSSJ it was anon until broly movie legendary is an adjective in legendary SSJ not the actual transformation
This was great
What if goku and vegeta switched places
Alpha2verse we had this 1000000 times already 🙄
Beerus : "So this Super Saiyan God will be my rival? Can't wait.
Beerus 1 Minute Later : "Frieza, kill all the saiyans."
So many deaths and revivals in the show... Too bad. If they were as handsome as me they wouldn't have to die
So can you do a part 2 with gt
What if Goku married Suno
or how about this couple Gohan and Android 18!!!
to make this work though krillin would marry maron and they have a blue haired daughter marron.
Android 17 and Android 18 will have to be the biological children of Mr. Satan so that Pan would still be Mr. Satan's granddaughter and Pan would have blonde hair.
i would assume gohan and android 18 would marry when gohan and videl originally did.
and goku would be Android 18's father in law it would be weird.
MasterFalkner In no way is lapis and lasuli gonna be Satan's children,besides it's just weird, wasn't Gohan 13 when he first met 18,it's just crazy
well if Mr. Satan is too young to be there father then write him to be a little older idk. so one day dr. gero kidnaps 17 and 18 and he doesn't see them again until the cell games where maybe he sees cell throw her up and gos "Hey wait a second that's my daughter!!!" and yeah gohan was 10/11 when he first met 18 so in 10 years maybe they could marry in age 777. because maybe 18 has feelings for gohan because maybe he had the remote instead of krillin and she kissed him on the highway and not krillin and he wished for the bombs to be removed and he saved her from cell. yeah it's crazy.
Your thumbnail looked like a power scaling video more than a timeline video
3:57 Reason why, Ppl Prefer The Original Bardock Special Over the DB Minus Because the Original is Far Superior Story
Didnt beerus mention he's lived for hundreds of millions of years?
Dang he can outlive the multiverse
Earth years of some other planets years?