CogDis Paradox Ending Final Battle
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- Опубликовано: 26 фев 2016
- Paradox ending final battle against the Chosen 4 in the fan game Mother: Cognitive Dissonance. Ana-Swirl is the most dangerous here if Brain Cyclone manages to land when reflect fades. Though, it's nowhere near as dangerous as PK Flash Ω!
I chose a PSI-user build for Marvin (Larice) and didn't keep him on Reflect duty since I wanted to showcase some of the spells in this game. For pure damage, Alinivar's riff with the Borange Ray coupled with Larice's PK Starstorm Ω and Niiue's PK Shockwave Ω would be best. Colonel Saturn has the potential for big damage with the Mayhem Shotgun when under PSI Attack Up and PSI Empower.
This will be a fun fight in Hard Mode!
![Sean Rii, Karyon, Sharzkii - Taungule [My Love] (Official Music Video)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/eJoMuypbSzQ/mqdefault.jpg)
When you accidentally cause a paradox and cause the protagonists from the other game to become your final boss.
Anervaria OOOOH NOOOOO!!
WOOPSY DOOPSY!!!!!!!!
(My previous comment had a reference to both Undertale & Homestuck in it btw)
XD when the original is better than the newer one.
mother cogdis is megalovania is one hundred percent better than undertale.
Jax Tail CogDis's MeGaLoVania isn't the original, it also wasn't made by Toby.
What really kills me here is the victory jingle for this battle in particular.
"We did it Patrick! We saved the city!"
*Bikini Bottom burns in background*
It's the exact same sound, that has been used in Mother when we win a battle. yikes
So, for those of you wondering why Megalovania is the theme used here, let's put things into perspective.
Every other time Megalovania is the boss music, it's a sign that either the hero (Varik in the Halloween Hack, Terezi in Homestuck) or the player themselves (the Genocide Route in Undertale) is about to do something morally dubious (killing an frenzied old man / killing one of your closest friends) if not utterly vile and reprehensible (killing EVERYTHING) when they could've picked a considerably less drastic path.
CogDis's Paradox path is the only Mother-related game that lets you beat down the main villain with brute force, which is antithetical to the Mother franchise as a whole, where the main villains are inevitably only able to be beaten by non-violent means. Not to mention that since killing Giygas in such a way causes a host of problems for the entire Mother timeline, it's no wonder why whatever's left of the Mother 1 cast is opposing you and why this ending nets you a Time Crash.
But if you've killed everything, that means you're the villain. And, therefore, wouldn't that make Sans the hero?
@@MegaPokeman1 Undyne was the hero (heroine, rather), since her goal was to stop Chara to save everyone. Sans, on the other hand, seems less concerned with preventing deaths (though of course they still affect him, especially Papyrus' death) and more worried about stopping the player so that the world won't be destroyed/the timelines won't be irrevocably fucked.
So Megalovania is the song for when you do something bad?
@@somedudethatripsplanetinha4221 i think yes
@@somedudethatripsplanetinha4221 it could be argued that what terezi did for her version of megalovania wasn't arguably bad but rather it was a very drastic way to go. Megalovania isn't a song about doing wrong, it's a song about taking the most extreme path to achieve your goals.
This game really pulled a Trainer Red moment and made fighting the previous game's protagonists an optional ending for the player.
"You did it.. you bullied a vulnerable being, kinda fucked up but it's effective I suppose." -Goofy from Oneyplays
You: “I did it! I saved everyone and got the best ending!”
The Universe: “You’re not allowed.” *ends
I love how Giygas is attacking the Mother protagonists and you at the same time.
He's got two enemy groups to deal with, and he's _enjoying it._
The Mother gang, however, see you more as a threat than _Giygas._
That's why they focus your attacks on you.
Tadeo Gomez
Spoilers for smash ultimate (if it actually matters. game’s been out for a while)
Reminds me of how in the final boss fight for World of Light in Smash Ultimate you fight Galeem and Dharkon at the same time, but they’re attacks hurt each other as well. It shows that they’re not teaming up against you, they both just want to eliminate any opposition. Including each other.
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When people think you're more of a threat than the literal embodiment of evil, you're probably doing something wrong.
Wait Giygas is attacking the Mother 1 protags/the four swirls?
@@psiseven he isn't, the swirls' attacks are just being bounced back by the reflect shield and these guys were confused
Let's think about this for a moment. There's gonna be obvious spoilers in this comment, so if you haven't played the game yet, I'd recommend at least watching a playthrough first.
Giegue is severely emotionally wrecked from his upbringing. He may, or may not, have had an Eldritch Horror within him since birth. (CogDis doesn't make it clear if Giygas is a manifestation of his insanity or a separate entity in his since birth given what we've seen of the flashback scenes.) He has quite literally manifested a second persona in order to escape his feelings of regret and turmoil over his adopted parents and the planet Earth.
In the final battle, there are several actions the player can do for different endings. The best of these involve getting Giegue to reconcile things with his positive emotions and ultimately working together in order to move on from his troubled upbringing.
Then there's this ending. To achieve it, you have to go out of your way to teach Niiue (the personification of Giegue's positive emotions) an ability using an item you have limited access to which allows him to sing the eighty melodies during the battle against Giygas; a song the represents Maria's love for him but is also incredibly traumatic to him because of what surrounded it.
This causes the already in the throws of insanity Giegue to have an even worse breakdown, as he's unable to properly process and digest the amount of feelings he's experiencing right now.
Afterwards, Giegue forcefully retreats further into his mind. Niiue, along with the others, continue to follow and press him. In a complete nervous breakdown from them continuing to press him, Giegue forcefully manifests the four heroes from Beginnings/Mother 1 to try and defend himself; beings that are partially responsible for his aggravated state in this game proper.
This doesn't stop Niiue or the protagonist from keeping forward, forcefully beating back these memories until all that's left is what is truly Giegue deep down; a scared, traumatized child who never learned to properly process his emotions.
In the end, Niiue and the protagonist even forcefully beat *that* down as far as it can go, until all that's left is the enbodiment of his positive emotions. However, being positive is *not* the same thing as being emotionally healthy. And because of that, once the initial rush dies down... Everything begins to fall apart.
When you really think about it, the paradox ending is a metaphor for the dangers of pushing down your emotions and putting on a fake happy mask to try and deny your own emotional turmoil. In the end, you'll only be making things worse than learning to process these feelings in the long run.
Honestly, not half bad for an RPG Maker fangame. Hats off to the devs on this.
On hell of a sad ending
Just wanted to say i frequently come back to this comment to read it due to how good your analysis is. Thanks, fam
The only thing I can say of this is that Gygas is the one beating Gigue, not the party, thats because you have zero control of it and Gygas were forming already
So, basically, in this ending you traumatize the already traumatized Giegue even further by singing the least appropriate song possible in the least appropriate moment possible, causing him to, basically, curl up and retreat deeper into his mind. It's not just twisting the knife in the wound of poor Giegue - it's sticking the motorized iron wire brush into it and running it at full speed.
Do you leave him at that? No, you follow him with intentions to continue fighting.
Then you fight with what are either chrono-projections of the previous clique of the protagonists or their imprints in Giegue's memory, which he tries to use to shield himself from you.
Of course, your party manages to destroy them and whack his core personality even further.
With nowhere to retreat and being so damaged and traumatized, he just... gives up and dies.
Mission complete, I guess. Even though the reality itself is wobbling from the way you did it. But hey, the universe is safe now, right? Right?..
Not Ness, NINTEN.
i feel like this is the best explanation as to what happened
No, those swirls were souls/amalgams of Chosen Four of M1. AND YOU KILL EM. AND THE TIME ENDS BECAUSE YOU CREATED PARADOX, resulting a destruction of universe
And there goes the timeline!
(RTC (Real Time Corrupter) Crash Noise (the Glass break one, not the duck (ok maybe the duck (actually, how about both) ) ) plays)
I always thought what happens here is that Niiue "singing" causes a doorway to the source of Giygas' angst (the Chosen 4 from Mother 1) to open, and destroying them makes it so that Giygas can't form and as such, causes a time paradox since the events of Earthbound can't happen.
I love hearing the sounds of the attacks and classical generic RPG menu scrolling while the coolest video game boss track plays in the background
If you think about it, if the protagonists are fighting us, does that mean _were_ the final boss?
It's a paradox after all, so yeah
Holy shit *we're pretty much playing the final boss of Mother 1 from the other side*
no your dad is the final boss jk
It has to be a paradox or something. Theres no way were the bad guys lol
@@Drimplf The main character isn’t always the hero.
Ninten, Ana, Loid and Teddy are fighting Alinivar, Colonel Saturn, Niiue and Marvin for the fate of the world.
Should Alinivar win, all will be destroyed!
Great, now I'm the final boss.
pretty much
AnimeboyIanpower where is Nintendo and all the others
@@sh3w647 Ninten, Ana, Loid and Teddy appear not physically, but are there, as the N, A, L and T-Swirls.
Also gygias/guguge is there. And he’s attacking *BOTH* of you.
As far as I know, what's happening here is that you pushed Giegue so far down the rabbit hole of trauma that he tried to defend his shattered mind with the memories of what defeated him long ago. Of course, you still end up beating him down further and further, and inevitably his mind just... I dunno, collapses? Inevitably, since you basically just stopped (killed?) Giegue he doesn't have the chance to become Giygas and thus Earthbound never happens, royally screwing-up the timeline.
did anyone come here NOT knowing megalovania was the theme? I didnt
I don't give a crap about Cancertale.
Heaven Piercing Man bro but SANS UNDERTALE is in the game bro!!!!!!
@@orangesodawithnoice3189 what a shame, I wanted to play this game.
Guys megalovania came from the Earthbound Halloween hack
orange soda with no ice c
The ending is the least possible, considering a paradox would destroy all timelines, meaning we shouldn't even be able to get other endings, yet we still can, which means this ending doesn't happen. Although this is amazing.
Megalovania: The song that plays when you're the bad guy.
Lol that's also happens in Undertale Genocide Route
@@lelu.videos no, in ehh you are the heroes, even though you need to do something realy bad to win.
What about Homestuck ?
Megalovania
A song for bad people... But heroes nonetheless.
Despite everything Vriska is still a hero.
Despite his laziness Sans is still a hero.
Despite your paradoxical actions, they are still heroes.
Dr. Andonuts breaks the chain. Fuck him.
"You don't have to 8e a good person to 8e a herohero"
@@gegor41311 I think it's more meant to be the theme of "the protagonist is choosing to be an asshole"
Oh, hi Giygas! What's up? Just chillin' in the background, I see.
Yes he is
As usual
No he chills every where he is everywhere and everything!
Giygas really likes to just chill behind the final boss in rom hacks and fan games alike
just like when a group of teenagers beat up an old man called doctor andonuts (earthbound halloween hack)
Every sound in this video is music to my ears~ Including the attack sounds.
Why are the chosen four represented as swirls and not something at least resembling their actual selves?
Jozz Bloche Maybe Giegue Had to control them But He Had to extract their souls for that like That they are swirls.
💚💛💜💙
The swirls are like their versions of the amalgamation Giegue has turned into.
(Pstt i think that the hearts are s’posed to be the swirls color)
*Punches brass* Bad knuckles
Guys if you die, you have to restart from the point where zarbol is still there
You can still use the fuzzy frog before you jump in the hole tho.
Bro you literally just used an assault rifle on a GOD.
chuggaaconroy should do this
blind😁😁😁
He'd have to rely on comments on what to do.
That'd be hell.
YOU'RE FIGHTING A LITERAL F***ING PARADOX?! WITH THIS BADASS VERSION OF MEGALOVANIA! HOLY SH**!(I haven't played the game so please correct me if I'm wrong.)
You're battling the protagonists from Mother:
Ninten
Ana
Lloyd
Teddy
E-Series plus gegiue, aka pre-gygeis.TAKING THEM ALL OUT WITH ONE STONE
@@richardgibson8403 Given the name (G-Core), I think it's the same core personality of Giegue we separate from Giygas and rescue in the Severance ending. If one to think about it, the Paradox ending is, actually, pretty cruel.
Tru storEeeeeee
You’re fighting a literal paradox ok
CogDis good old days playing you...
*earthbound Halloween hack reference*
and homestuck
And Smash
@YDA1610 This game is from 2013 and Undertale in 2015 bruh
Oh THATS what the letters mean!
N = Ninten
A = Ana
L = Lloyd
T = Tony
I find this incredibly _sad._
And, unfortunately, I know that means I _have_ to do it.
This is even worse for the Applechasers than it seems at first. Niiue's singing allows the Applechasers to jump in and attack the Giegue core, but it's not the Applechasers that destroy Giegue, it's Giygas himself once the Applechasers destroy the Swirls that protect him. You just helped an all powerful Eldritch Abomination destroy what little rationality it still possessed at that point. Now there's nothing holding Giygas back, so it obliterates most of Magicant and possibly the real world as well.
So, in Explanation, Gygas gets extra traumatized, so his mind gets into the defensive again, the problem is that Alinivar gets the door open and gets to fight them thinking they can kill Gygas on the process, the problem is that they are seeing Gigue's core before fusing with Gygas, making him vulnerable, after killing the shadows protecting that core that Gygas were unable to touch it is able to consume Gigue because those shadows were Gigue's defense mechanism, so the power of Gigue gets his own will ad consume him forming a Gygas without any chains like earthbound but on full power
Thing that was not on earthbound because the devils machine prevented it and in the end he was dissolving already
aww i was hoping you'd show the dialogue after the battle as well. been awhile since i've played and i forgot what they said
My first question:
Why the hell is Giygas in the background?
your fighting both the mother 1 protagonists and Giegue's form from that time, so your practically killing the protagonists and giegue/giygas, so Giygas wouldn't exist in the real time, but since you killed the protagonists, their time when they stopped giegue themselves no longer exists, because you already killed them and giegue in the future, creating a paradox
In simple terms, win this fight, you destroy the world of MOTHER.
Which would mean, Ness doesn't kill Giygas, he doesn't exist, essentially
*You've destroyed the original chosen 4, one of the main chosen 4's child doesn't exist. The Timelines have collapsed*
@@BlahNevets Which in then creates another of line, if Alinivar would not decide to destroy Giygas, resulting a Earthbound. BUT, in other case Giygas starts fighting as well, because he goes in the past. #waitwhatthehell
AnimeboyIanpower and you can’t lose either so you’re trapped in a loop
R.I.P Headphone users
+DarkD Games No I'm pretty sure he's just saying the music is too loud in general xD
...Was I supposed to have Alinivar and co. up to level 89, or was that too high?
Every single time Megalovania starts playing, no matter where it is, its because you fucked up royally
Earthbound: Halloween hack
You fight an old man backed up into a corner with nothing to lose because you are a fucking asshole
Idk if homestuck counts, but from what ive seen, its a bad time.
Wait fuck take that ba-
Undertale
Do i even have to tell you?
But this is the most fucked up instance imo
Your basically breaking every single law of the time space continuum, fighting the protagonists of Mother (making YOU the final boss), all the while trying to kill Giygas, and when you do kill him, you make a bloody time paradox.
Yeah, out of all the times Megalovania is played, this one is the biggest "You fucked up" moment, because you fucking destroy the universe at large. Good job.
Besides, by this point, not only are you killing Giygas, but the original personality of Giegue (rescueable in the Severance route) as well. In fact, you FOCUS all your attention on Giegue's original personality.
I understand this is called Paradox Ending because it creates a time Paradox but if someone could explain it to me really clearly that would be super awesome because I’m a dunce
Basically in this ending Niiue's singing causes Giegue/Giygas's emotional trauma, which is so intense that he literally opens a portal into his mind that the characters go into. After going in his mind and opening the door, they connect to the source of giegas's emotions, the memory of his fight he had with the chosen 4 from mother 1. After defeating the projections of the mother 1 characters, you prevent giygas from attacking earth in the future, the events of mother 2 can never happen, thus causing a time paradox
Alinivar is still: that guy
All I heard was *BOOM KABOOM BANG BANG THUMP CLANK*
oh hey this looks pretty co-damnit
Imagine going up to giegue and saying, i shid you not,
"Hey can you not attack our planet for 5 minutes? my dad fell into a well."
So Giegue is fighting you but him from the future, which never happened yet, is watching (btw I mean Giygas) and you are fighting 4 people who should have existed years ago but still don't exist?
DO NOT WEAR HEADPHONES! Theres some weird effect on my ears right now.......
you just got megalovanied
getttt mothered on!
THATS. MY. LINE.
+Black Knight 1159 UN. BELIVEABLE (I don't really know how to write it, i talk spanish lol)
IT IS! I made it up in 2015
1:45
"Man this would go a lot faster with the Borange Ray. Wonder if he picked that up and just never equipped it."
Yyyyep, you got it... but I have a question... Why have it equipped on him...?
Seriously... NO SERIOUSLY...
WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS PUT THE BORANGE RAY ON ALLINIVAR?
I know it's a great weapon and all and covers Allinivar's natural lack of damage output BUT THERE IS A MUCH BETTER CHOICE. Allinivar has other things to do, like healing the team, using Shockwave, hitting every enemy (with either Multiprod or the electric variant), using his guitar, or even buffing the team with Empower. There is a team member who literally just... DOESN'T HAVE A ROLE IN MOST FIGHTS except for DPS
HEADBANGING ENGAGED
rip everything.
The Paradox...
what's with alinivars body
Niiue He put him into the chimera machine on Mars.
Noah Javaruski ohhhhhhhhh
you'll never be able to defeat the chosen 4.
Megagigyas(the background is giygas in the battle)
oh hey mew gets a megalovania
Wouldn't it be ironic if Niiue was inducted into SSBU. This would be the first fan character to a Nintendo property in a smash bros game. I know it will never happen but would be cool if it did.
I mean, it's kinda already happened when Mewtwo was introduced in SSBB.
This might be one of the most fucked up endings in a video game ever
Why the hell does Lloyd have an assault rifle?
THE SUPER GIYGAS TEAM
Hehehe. (S)he had babies. That little, 3-faces thing.
I was wondering when Megalovania would happen in the game.
Finally my question has been answered.
There's one more in Chapter 2
I play this game on my cellphone
SANS-
No
Megalovania as seen on Undertale isnt the only time Toby Fox put it in a game, Toby Fox first used it on an Earthbound ROM hack, then on Homestruck, then this Earthbound fangame, and then Undertale, its just dissapointing to see people say things related to undertale on theese kind of videos, don't get me wrong, Undertale is a great game, the community is bad, that's what i can say
No.
@@coffie2293
Fun fact, Toby Fox didn’t work on this game. He’s listed under “Special Thanks” in the credits, so he was likely a source of inspiration, advice and Megalovania rights, but didn’t do any coding for the game.
This version if megalovania is best heard with headphones o_o trust me......
伝説はもう始まっていたんだなって
思ったね
* BAD TIME *
Warning: Don't wear headphone.
idk how or why but the megalovnia remix here is strangely fitting for this fight....
Hoi can see giege behind the parodoxes
Universal universe self destruct!
Also isn't this an ending were your kinda the bad guy trying to kill giygas with brute force and it works but you create a paradox
Any fan game with paradox gets inf × ? / ?/inf
You literally killed Giegue in this ending with all 4 protagonists in Earthbound Zero.
Comments
99% People bitching about Undertale, it's fans, and it's fanbase.
1% Other (This kind of comment, comments about Megalovania, comments about the actual video)
so you have to kill ninten Ana Lloyd and Teddy
WHY!?!?
Christi Etue You play as the enemies.
Actually im pretty sure that is the corrupted souls not them since giygas is there too
@@yeenjaw n00, y u have to tell da fak infu? I mean, those swirls are true souls of chosen four, because they are fighting Giygas as well
ITS LIKE MEGALOVANIA!!!!!
That's because it's a Megalovania remix.
MEGALOBADTIMES!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
shit undertale now is shit after these kids played and maked these AU's and OC's. now undertale is shit.
there's so much undertale trash no one realises that this came first
The struggle
0:35 what are these?
The main characters of Mother/ Earthbound 0
64% about megalovania
2% saying it's cool
24% breaking the replay button
10% actually talking about the vid
I just had to lol
0.01% lists with the percentages of different comments
megalovania means you killed too much and a boss is coming for your kneecaps
wait was this made by toby?
different as mario rpg the seven sages
xXSansTheEpicSkeletonXx Not all RPGs are the same, you should know that you underf****
Salt_ what?
Really.
Why is it called "paradox" ending
+Kingofgoldness RBLX RR The swirls are the heroes from the first game (Ninten, Ana, Lloyd, and Teddy) and the G-core can supposedly be Giegue or the Apple of Enlightenment. By killing all 5, you destroy the past and prevent the present from happening, forming a paradox. In the ending, everything begins to evaporate.
+Agent McGrath Woah
+Agent McGrath which means Giygas will never win or lose, The "REAL" Chosen Four (In Mother 2/EarthBound) will never fulfill their true destinies. But o. the bright side... *•SPOILERS!!!•* In Mother 3, Claus will never die! :D
+Agent McGrath that's deep man
+RandomManB
Nor Hinawa
"I did it. I saved the world!"
universe: no
This confuses me still. Why are you fighting Ninten Ana Lloyd and Teddy? Why are they Giygas swirls?
Their corrupt souls since in this ending you broke the timeline
I don't need name This was a year ago but I think because by killing giygas before mother 2 it fricked everyone up cuz buzz buzz was still sent to the past/future? and idk ‘this was a year ago
Maybe those are just projections of Giegue's memories of them. Maybe they're sort of a chrono-shadows, cast by protagonists from another time. Who knows.
*gasp*
sa-
Sounds like you’re having a *Bad Time*
The swirls will have bad times, not Alinivar and his friends
Megalovania....??? WHAT
Yes
cool boss fight
Legal
But they are just swirls :o
The swirls are the past versions of Ninten, Lloyd, Ana, and Teddy driven to Gyigas level insanity.
Those swirls are the actual heroes from Earthbound Beginnings/Mother ZERO.
Megalovania in earthbound fuck huahuahua
EarthBound was earlier than Undertale, so I shove your @ss down hehehhe
undertale fan moment
@@coffie2293 Confirmed
ここまでどうやって行くのか分からんw
Is The Boss Called "Nalt" Or "The Nalt Swirls"?
N - Swirl = Ninten
A - Swirl = Ana
L - Swirl = Lloyd (Not sure if thats how its spelled)
T - Swirl = Teddy
G - Core = Giegue
The boss isnt called anything, you're essentially going back in time and erasing the events of Mother 1 however this is a paradox because then the protagonists of Cogdis wouldnt have had to go defeat Giegue to do this
Sans
@@deathtoisa That means the world of MOTHER would cease to exist.
those swirls are just photo shopped pictures of giygas
Thank you capt'n obvious
what...is this : O
WHAT the FUCK happened to the Kids O.o
they turned into mustaches.
xXGTAHUNTAXx xD
R.i.p Ninten, he was better than Ness.
Hiroshi's meme hell Ninten sucks.
Nothing, probably, aside from their timeline getting royally fucked up. I think NALT-Swirls are either Giugue's memories of them, turned into some sort of an active defence for his more-traumatized-than-ever core personality, or some sort of a chrono-shadows (and our battle with them may translate to them as some of those incomprehensible attacks, getting mangled in the temporal transfer process).
0:16
*shit wrong video*
1:10 is that super Mario 64?
i know this music
was it from Fortnite?
No...
Its from minecraft
@@sandralujan680
No...
It's from Earthbound Halloween hack
i subscribed
I forgot that this was the other place where Megalovania plays.
megalovania
I came here to see what this battle and megalovania version was
Oh hey Megalovania... and nightmares.
The very first megalovania... was it?
Flame Man nope, eb Halloween hack was the first.
No. This was the second
1. Earthbound Halloween Hack: Megalovania plays when fighting Dr. Andonuts
2. Homestuck:
Megalovania plays in [S] Wake
3. CogDis:
Megalovania plays when fighting swirls but a main character from Mother 1/Earthbound 0 (Beginnings)
4. Undertale:
Megalovania plays when you fight sans in Genocide Route
5:39 they dont defeat giygas
giygas just like minding his business with his fetus background
see!
i told you giygas has things to do
and can be nice even if his bad emotions
litearlly is his form
Fetus deletus
WHERE MY HOMESTUCK FANS AT?!??!?!??
Right here MeGaLoVaNiA
This megalovania
Android_Animations What about it?
Android_Animations no its not
So what happened to Giygas in this ending?
Thor's Hammer like everything.. It disappeared, you've caused a paradox so.. Yeah
You kill him.
He never was.