The Craziest Mass Effect 5 Theory Yet: The Multiverse Theory
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The multiverse theory: probably the craziest theory out there for the next Mass Effect. Over the past four months, I've been combing through all the hints the BioWare team has given us, and the result is the formulation of one of the wackiest theories you've probably heard.
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📖 Chapters
00:00 - Intro
00:36 - Some Context
03:23 - Multiverse Is In the IP
04:36 - Mudskipper Hint
05:18 - Alchera Hint
07:08 - Alchera In AU
09:50 - Our Shepard Will Return
12:54 - Gamble's Tweets
15:28 - AU Shepard Problems
17:21 - What If Explanation
19:08 - Can Mass Effect Pull A Multiverse Off?
21:01 - Outro
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So, what do you think? Am I indoctrinated, or onto something? And if you have any special Mass Effect stories to share, please comment down below!
A lot of multiverse ideas were cut to save time in this video (otherwise it would have been an hour or more). I'll continue putting out small tidbits on the multiverse theory in future videos! If you have any specific questions, please do ask, I'll be happy to clarify or expand upon anything! :)
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A lot of multiverse ideas were cut to save time in this video (otherwise it would have been an hour or more). I'll continue putting out small tidbits on the multiverse theory in future videos! If you have any specific questions, please do ask, I'll be happy to clarify or expand upon anything! :)
So, what do you think? Am I indoctrinated, or onto something? And if you have any special Mass Effect stories to share, please comment down below!
Chapters
00:00 - Intro
00:36 - Some Context
03:23 - Multiverse Is In the IP
04:36 - Mudskipper Hint
05:18 - Alchera Hint
07:08 - Alchera In AU
09:50 - Our Shepard Will Return
12:54 - Gamble's Tweets
15:28 - AU Shepard Problems
17:21 - What If Explanation
19:08 - Can Mass Effect Pull A Multiverse Off?
21:01 - Outro
wow.... im not one of these that get hyped for theories... but im not hyped im very intrigued this is very solid...
no.. no wait, let her cook.
Okay
👁️ 👄 👁️
This could also explain why Leviathan calls Shephard an anomaly because he was supposed to die on Alchera.
Yoo very well could be! 👀
Edi: "Talks about the Multiverse."
Shepard: I'll get back to you on that.
Me: Sus
"In another time, another life.." -romance Samara. "If we both come back from this at all, everthing... will be different." -romance Miranda
Just because it looks like thane it could actually be kolyat his son...
I played the Mass Effect Legendary Edition and got the platinum trophy of all three games. I was recommended your video titled - Mass Effect Trailer Analysis: Audio and Visual Breakdown and I was blown away by everything you discussed. Just finished this video and I think you are spot on.
You got yourself a follower on X and subscriber on RUclips. Enjoy your content and already waiting for the next one!
Thank you so much! Hope you enjoyed those vids, and if you want more multiverse theory craziness, check out my Mass Effect 5 playlist (link in description). :)
Out of EVERY theory regarding the next Mass Effect I've seen... this is the most plausible one! 🤔
I LOVE this theory! I had completely forgotten about Edi's multiverse conversation and the questline in Andromeda, I really think you're onto something here! When the first teaser dropped at Game Awards 2020, my head immediately thought Mordin too but didn't think it was possible. Great job on the video! So glad I found your channel, this is brilliant!
Appreciate it, thank you! It's a fun theory, even if it doesn't happen. :)
im still broken on mordens death.... he was my favorite, because my autistic ass saw myself in him, we hed died singing his favorite song i was crying... saying dont go, but realizing it had to be him, someone else couldve gotten it wrong... but to possibly see him again would be amazing and id smile ear to ear.
I felt exactly the same for exactly the same reason. It broke my heart that I could save so many characters but to save him I would have to make the galaxy a worse place. I also know that if given the choice he would have made the same one I did, get the best outcome for the Krogan even if it cost him his life :(
@@JezaGaia 110% he wouldn’t let anyone else do it even if they gave him the option. Morden died saving an entire species, that unified the rest of the galaxy under one banner..
Really good work, as I watched you covered every concern I had in real time. I've been too distracted by other theories to put much thought into this one though on a base level I figured the plot could be a variation of the Search for Spock scenario.
It is definitely a writer's challenge to find an excuse to keep the Shepard legacy going and you uncovered quite a few "How did we miss this" moments to support this theory.
I put a lot of thought into the potential "why this won't work" aspects, so really appreciate you discovering that. :)
I can't wait to get another N7 day hint this year, hopefully something of the "Shepard is returning" variety so we have more to work with for theorizing.
They could use Meridian to bring shepard back and upload his Consciousness from the Gath Server
Angarian reincarnation is related to the Jardaan's shenanigans. The Meridian or Khi Tasira somehow harvests consciences of dead angara and then recycles via inserting into new body. Well, it's my opinion so far.
Shepard; "Liara! Why are there three of you?"
Future Liara; "Don't answer that."
Past Liara; "It's complicated."
Current Liara; "I have no idea what is happening."
Shepard; "You broke the timeline didn't you?"
All three; OwO
😂😂😂😂
I think that Liara remembers what the Illusive man did and is doing the same. That would allow the ending of two and three to be there but making it like a continuation from ME1 instead of ME3 in a sense because the Shepard DNA wouldn’t have been from the one who stopped the reapers but the younger who was warning of the reapers.
Just imagine the moment when playing the new Mass effect game and a character is theorizing the Multiverse. That being a hint at this:
All fan playthroughs are canon to their respective universes. Basically, Bioware turning our own personal choices canonical with each playthrough being an alternate universe
@@littlemouse7066 Yeah
Thank you for bringing this theory up! I will definitely be watching the Dark Energy video next. Even if Shepard is not brought back this way (personally, I like the idea), your evidence and counterarguments have me persuaded. Especially regarding the wormholes and anomalies.
The conversations about reincarnation have always stuck out to me as well. While BioWare's current status has lost the faith of many fans, I am still looking forward to what the new writing team have in store. I may be in the minority, but I would really love to have a game where the Virmire Survivors are both included again. This gives me the most hope for that. Lol.
Awesome, hope you enjoy the Dark Energy one! :)
I have a sneaky suspicion that the ME team wants scenarios like both Virmire survivors being present. No clear evidence, but just overall vibe from watching a lot of content on everything for the next game.
That would be pretty wild. I'm not sure how well the fans would take something like reincarnation in a Mass Effect setting, though. I mean, sure, the series has always shown that all species have their spiritual side with many different beliefs across the species, but canonically confirming the existence of the supernatural might ruffle more feathers than making any of ME3's endings canon. Maybe they could pull it off if the writing was good enough, but it would surely be controversial.
I love the idea of a slightly different parallel universe, one that is nearly identical but a few different details are off, enough to affect the course of history. For example, I can see an universe where the council was actually willing to believe Shepard during the events of ME. The plans for the Crucible and the information about the Catalyst was found much earlier because of it. Shepard was ambushed and killed by the Collectors, but there was no need to revive him/her as the Crucible was already under construction. By the time the Reapers arrived, they were quickly destroyed.
In any case, I agree that speculating and discussing is fun even if the theories are completely off, so I'm looking forward to the next wild theory video :)
Reincarnation would be wild, but the potential for it is there. And that Gamble tweet makes me think it might be possible.
A parallel universe would be awesome, with the one downside being that our playthrough choices wouldn't count.
The next theory video will probably be an update on the trailer. :) It's been a while and I've noticed a few new things with it.
@@paragonsevenCool video! Really made me think of how the Protheans also had a version of communication through objects that was described by Javik. The way he talked about how "primitive communication is in this cycle" kinda seemed to me like he thought that it would be inevitable for mass effect species to get there if they had enough time. Maybe that would be an interesting angle in future videos? Maybe it has to do with their memories, and the angara had a similar way of communicating prior to the scourge
@@trentw6086 There's definitely going to be a Prothean video upcoming, but I'm still rounding up all the stuff for it. Thanks for the idea though!
This wouldn't be confirming reincarnation though, it would just be using such a concept as inspiration for the technological process occurring. It absolutely wouldn't be 'x alien/human religion is real now', but a copying of one's memories into another is something many spiritual folk would determine is reincarnation (unless they utterly reject the process as legitimate).
Good point about that theoretical Alt Shepard though. In a sense, instead of just a more amenable Council, perhaps they'd be a more effective, more useful Shepard, with different/adjusted origin, if they were one that was more persuasive and victorious early, even if they also stayed-dead as a result. That'd be an interesting basis of a sequel-toned Shepard that isn't a sequel Shepard. We could assume such a Shepard would not be such a grunt earlier in events, and with more obvious 'soft skills' than Bioware wrote ME1-2(?) Shepard to have.
BioWare should really hire you. Your theories are spectacular. While I‘ve seen a lot of franchises not use multiverses well, your theory is very intriguing and makes a lot of sense with a few plot holes but every theory has some.
I’ve played Andromeda a few times and I agree it’s very aggravating at most times but as you pointed out in a few side missions, there’s a lot of things I didn’t even consider like reincarnation. And I think you could definitely be onto something.
If your theory about bringing Thane and Mordin back from that universe is correct, I could also see them staying in that universe “where they belong.” Where I could also see Mordin saying, “but you, you need a Shepherd.” Keep doing theories, they really get me thinking about how amazing the next Mass Effect could be.
Haha well hopefully they won't need to hire me cause they're already doing the multiverse! :p
I'm actually looking forward to playing Andromeda again, despite not liking the majority of it. I think the second time around will be a much more pleasant experience.
And don't worry, more theories incoming! :)
Okay i am highly skeptical of any multiverse series as it too often is used to kinda break the long standing rules and such of a series that as you said invalidates things.
But you seem to have given this some serious thought, actually i think you put more thought in that anybody at bioware 😅 however I love your idea, its an amazing theory.
Instead of the multiverse, could be a clone Shep, then given the reincarnation treatment, easier than a multiverse.
I really do love and enjoy all your mas effect videos keep up the great work.
Thank you, glad you enjoy!
1) First two hints can simply show what happened in the past. Only Mordin and Thane silhouettes actually match, this could've been their mission together some years ago. Or future, as you point out, they can survive. And curing genophage probably is not canon anyway, why would we play a game in which 99% of npcs are non-stop breeding krogans? Same for Liara recovering the piece in the 2nd game. Or just visiting the place where she could find some memorabilia after the 3rd. As for why she can breathe, perhaps biotic powers allow that.
2) Good hint 3, but it's about remembering stuff after reincarnating, not about getting knowlege of something your clone from another universe did (clone from another universe - this is our Shepard to that new one created from visiting alt. universe). I think there will be some form of reincarnation here. But without alt. universe - just using N7 piece from ours. It will be (optional) part 2 cloning all over again but better.
3) You can't just touch multiverse concept and then have a normal game. Once you open the multiverse box, nothing really matters anymore, and IP becomes an amusement park.
I built the Mudskipper in Starfield, just so I can pretend I dont have to wait 10 years for ME5.
Also, In the destroy ending in the original ME3, it isnt snowing. But in LE, it looks like it is snowing in the background - maybe confirming Alchera?
I love it, we need to take what we can get right? 🥲
I've seen the snow idea floated around. It seems like smoke and debris to me, but I see why they might have added that in the LE.
Theory is solid- ish.
Liara had all of shepherds dna as well as memories, all of what he was.
Transfer of that information into a new clone of Shepard.
Yay! You incorporated my EDI bit about multiple realities. :D
Yes, thank you for pointing that out! :)
Had this thought earlier this week, but I was wondering if the multiverse would actually focus on the three endings.
One where Shep destroyed all Synthetics and surviving to go back to N7 (honestly I imagine this shep as the villain bc they'd take this route)
One where Shep controlled the reapers, killed the Leviathans with them, went to an abandoned relay, destroyed it and "self detonated" itself (or maybe just detonated itself after fixing the galaxy leaving Leviathans as antagonists)
One where Shep died by creating the green things that made everyone greeny, where everything would be "so perfect" but it's threatened by the Destroy Shep's universe when multiverses first make "contact"
Could be, although I feel if they went the multiverse route, that it'd just be used to grab Shep, and that's it. If the universes had to face off against each other, it'd get pretty confusing, IMO.
It’s a really well made theory I’m just worried that a multiverse could change the IP too much.
Fully get that, it'd seem completely out of nowhere. As of now, it's only a possibility. Hopefully N7 day nets us another hint we can interpret!
The phenomenon in the Dr. Strange episode is called "The Chronology Protection Conjecture". i.e. Certain events will always have the same outcome, and cannot be changed by time travel nor universe hopping.
Ahh interesting. If AU Shepard is brought back, it would cause a lot more ethical and philosophical story beats in the game. "Should Shepard have been brought back in this way?" or "What makes a person who they are?" I'd really enjoy if they went that route.
@@paragonseven That really sounds like a blend between “The Ship of Theseus” thought experiment and “Does this unit have a soul?” 😆
@@sammuel-6822 Yep exactly haha! I think Mass Effect could cover thought experiments like those pretty well. Already tackling organics vs. synthetics, might as well throw more philosophical musings into the mix. 😆
@@paragonseven Though realistically speaking, given all that’s been going on at Bioware. I remain cautiously optimistic that they are taking down notes from Bethesda’s Starfield (plot execution wise). 😅
@@sammuel-6822 Oh yeah? I haven't played Starfield yet, or watched a ton of content on it. Spoiler-free, what's the plot like?
To be honest, since it's been done before, an alternate theory Bioware isn't gonna go through all this convoluted storytelling and just make a new clone. Cause you can't tell me that Cerberus doesn’t have a complete copy of Shep's genes in storage somewhere. Will probably be another renegade Shep and the player's job is to hunt down this new clone to do .... something. Liara hopes to mold this renegade Shep into the hero the galaxy needs them to be... But I dunno 🤷♀
Playing as Shep's clone would solidify our Shep being dead, and I'm not entirely sure the fanbase would get behind playing a protagonist that's not our Shep.
It would be very interesting trying to convince a Shepard to become the new hero though, those vibes would be fun!
@@paragonseven The Spectre Formerly Known as Shepard, lol. I wouldn't mind if there were a few directions, and your crash wasn't even post-ME1 in a timeline but well before that: be a Shepard with infused memories from your trilogy in order to speed your capacity against new dangers, or be a new untouched Shepard that refuses to model after another, or be someone that many may try to recognize as a Shepard but you are endeavoring to something/one else for some new reason (or you're at least growing into such a new name/role).
And if they do sequels with the same protagonist, the writers will just nudge/push away from 'R U Shep?' and just increasingly take on the new name/role because the essence is that they're a new person, albeit with ties to the 'past'. A more explicit and extreme ME2 Lazarus Project result (Shep DIED outright, and is back as SOMETHING ELSE, but the writers wouldn't allow much existential questioning or dread until some handwaves later in trilogy that get interrupted by plot urgency).
@@SwobyJ Exactly this. The idea of "you can continue where you left off" or "be a new person, but with the struggle of the Shepard name." Playing as both versions of Shep would be very fun.
i gotta be honest, I really love your content, Keep up the good work you are doing!
Thank you, really appreciate it! 🫡
I've been wondering if the trailer is on Noveria, snowy, breathable atmosphere, had a reaper invasion and Shepard was there. Could some of these theories be linked to the dubious work that went on in the hot labs?
I had considered Noveria, but I don't think Noveria has 3 moons as seen in the trailer. At least, the moons aren't listed in the planet description, or shown when landing on it in ME1 or ME3.
@@paragonseven do you think they're definitely moons? Ok I'll shut up now!
@@romanaghost Haha no worries, discussions like this are awesome! I do think they're moons. Planets rarely (if ever) are that close to one another.
I recently saw in ME3 that two planets were on a trajectory to smash into each other. In the planet descriptions, it's described as a very rare phenomenon, so I do think the trailer is showing a planet with 3 moons, not 4 planets.
Is Noveria just the planet where Shepard can either spare (paragon) or kill (renegade) the rachni?
@@stephenking5852 Yes, and also where Matriarch Benezia (Liara's mom) gets killed.
Some have mentioned that things could have happened in the hot labs with the rachni, but we did land there in ME3 for a side mission with no mention of strange occurrences happening again.
If this were something they'd end up doing, I think Liara's best option would be to pluck Shepard's corpse from a universe where Shepard was never revived by Cerberus, and all life in the galaxy was wiped out.
Otherwise you're leaving a galaxy without any defense. Then they could recreate the Lazarus project themselves.
In that case, you'd have a ME2 Shepard.
I'm not sure how or if this could work story wise. There'd need to be a substantial reason to need Shepard specifically. By this point all sentient life in the gallery would be aware of the reapers. So it's not like there'd be a need for a preemptive strike or anything.
That said, ME3 did leave us with 2 major problems that I can think of that still need addressed.
One, the dark energy plot that was scrapped. It still exists on the Conrad Verner story arch, so it's still acknowledged, and still an issue with mass effect consuming or altering dark energy.
And 2, the Leviathan are still around, still power hungry, and ready to repeat their mistakes.
I haven't done any theory crafting yet on what ME4 could be, but I believe these are the 2 main issues that the game is going to need to address.
Also, just stumbled on your channel, great videos! Instant sub.
Thank you, appreciate the sub!
In the theory, Shep is being recovered from an AU where the Reapers are already dead, so all life in that AU wouldn't need to be wiped out. Shep simply isn't needed to defeat the Reapers there, hence the recovery from that specific AU.
Dark energy and the Leviathans are definitely the biggest wild cards. I think dark energy might come back in a big way, not sure how the Leviathans will fit in with everything.
@@paragonseven I've been thinking on this for a few days, and i can see this as a possibility now.
I was stuck on the 'Why" they would do this from a writing standpoint. And the more I thought about it, you could say that each play through is set in its own universe, because of the multiple choices.
Introducing a multiverse could make all ME3 ending canonical in that regard. Plus, it could also open the door for a Reboot/Remake of the original trilogy, giving them room to add more story and side quests, and even adjust main story elements.
Now that's an exciting idea!
@@hollerncraft This is awesome, because I've already covered what you've mentioned in some of my previous videos! 😁
It's good to know that others can come to similar conclusions (otherwise I might have to check if I'm indoctrinated).
This is definitely an interesting theory that I want to be true, but there are several things that make me doubt it.
The EDI quote was most likely another of the long-form jokes they wrote for her, not something meant to be taken as a major plotpoint for the franchise; if they wanted to hint at a multiverse, I don't think they'd consign it to this one interaction.
The silhouettes are probably just placeholder squadmate-PNGs that the devs reused for the sake of the picture.
While I like your observations on the detail of Liara lacking a helmet on what is most likely Alchera, it was probably just an artistic choice to show her full face in the trailer. Also, as we see during the Normandy's destruction in ME2, Joker apparently has some kind of normally-invisible, holographic breather-helmet he can activate, so it's not impossible that something similar exists at this later point in the timeline.
A major basis of this theory is the Angara memory, which to me doesn't really prove anything outside of what we've seen to be possible in the trilogy. It's essentially the same as the Protheans' memory shards, beacons, and reading ability; the only difference is that Javik describes it from a scientific perspective, as a part of evolution, while Esmus gives a religious explanation for it.
As for the tweet, there were very reputable rumors, and later Bioware confirmations, as far back as before Andromeda's release that said they were working on the next Mass Effect behind the scenes. It's obviously a cool reference to how long they've planned a continuation of the main trilogy's story, but I don't think it necessarily hints at a multiverse.
Ultimately, I think that the main reason Mass Effect wouldn't commit to a multiverse, even though it would be interesting, is that the franchise has made a point of dispelling any ideas of a higher power, without which I don't think a multiverse could really work. For a multiverse like this to work, it would mean we'd need to have Leviathans again, who evolved exactly the same, and made the Reapers exactly the same, etc. etc. This would imply some much greater force at play in order to make evolution so consistent across multiverses that something as big as the Reapers exist in more than one timeline. It would also introduce a sort of "Chosen One" complex to Shepard, implying they're some sort of destined inter-dimensional savior of the galaxy, since their existence would have to be tied to the Reapers in the AU as well.
All this being said, I think the introduction of some actual godlike force and a multiverse would be really cool; it's about the only direction the series COULD go that would feel higher stakes than the already galaxy-wide threat of the Reapers. Either way, you've definitely gained a subscriber, and I hope we get some concrete updates from Bioware on ME5 soon!
Thanks for the thoughtful post! Everything you said is 100% valid, and which is why I haven't fully committed to saying that this theory is definitely going to happen. It's simply something that I think *might* happen.
Thanks for subscribing! Hopefully N7 day will provide some updates.
I had forgotten (or neglected) all of the hints of reincarnation! It does make a lot of sense when you really about it. Plus, there is the whole Prothean beacon/memory shard tie in. I have given that some thought with Shepard permanently linked to them.
Ahh good point about the Prothean beacons storing memories. I was contemplating the asari sharing memories maybe playing a factor as well.
@@paragonseven Another great point!
there is mutiple shepards in multiple universes
It’s such a great idea, reminds me of Star Trek III the search for Spock, where after rescuing Spock’s body they reintegrate him with his soul.
This has been mentioned by my community a few times now. I should probably go watch whatever arc that is in Star Trek. 😅
There's also clone Shepard
This theory is so insane and unique it just might work
This actually makes alot of sense..
Convinced it will be some sort of timetravel/multiverse thing. Considering the state of the galaxy after the ending would almost take a step back and be less interesting, this would raise the stakes.
The timing also fits the "multiverse is hot" thing.. Thinking 2019 for when the decision probably were made.
I do think Sheperd will return. I dont belive Bioware would risk teasing him/her returning to this extent, for it not to be the case in the end. They would've killed the hope by now?
Great work! Keep it coming
This is the way🙏🏼
Make a video on the indoctrination theory, that those who chose the control or synthesis ending actually lost to the reapers. Destroy ending is the only way Shepard defeats the reapers
I also don't think that Bioware would do another bait-and-switch with Commander Shepard. OG Bioware fans would be extremely angry (Including me) if they had Liara brush off an N7 piece of armor only to bring in a different N7 soldier. I remember looking at the Andromeda trailer with the helmeted N7 soldier and thinking it was Shepard. That's exactly what they wanted us to think. I think that Bioware realized that it was a mistake to get the players so fully invested in Shepard over the course of three games only to kill that character off. Love your videos BTW.
Exactly what I was thinking too. N7 represents Shepard, period. If it's not Shepard that's coming back, then BioWare reallyy messed up showing us that in the trailer.
Thank you, hope you enjoyed this one!
😂 you need to get a life. It's a game 😅
@@ironicly__iconic No worries. My life is awesome! Hope yours is also. Retired early living my best life. Live long and prosper my friend.
@@melissamichaelsurbanfantas6965 " extremely angry" about a game doesn't sound awesome. But ok 👌🏻
@@melissamichaelsurbanfantas6965W retiree moment
Perhaps the Shepard that’s coming from an alternate universe is coming from a universe of one of the other endings? And this can be “fixed” through each universe being labeled a different number, kind of like in the MCU. The issue with this, of course, is that in control and synthesis, Shepard is supposed to be vaporized, essentially. I don’t know. I sort of don’t like the idea of Shepard coming from an AU where they didn’t take down the Reapers. That was basically their motivation for the entire trilogy and if Shep hasn’t done that, I feel like it would be because they didn’t know about the Reapers yet, like Skyllian Blitz era. I couldn’t imagine Shep not being involved, or if they were taken out, I feel like that would have a profound effect.
I like the idea of the AU Shep not having faced the Reapers, simply because they'd "feel" like a different Shepard from the trilogy's one.
And, if reincarnation is in play, then it'd be a way to move forward with our old Shepard, or to forge a new path as a completely different one.
What if shepard thought they died but just woke up in the cart in skyrim?
I didn't want to agree with your theory, and then I played through Andromeda and they really do make a big deal about the inherited reincarnation concept. Then, I remembered the scene where Liara finds the helmet piece - likely to hand over to the child she and Shepard conceived? Helping the young one remember their life as our Shepard, thereby producing both the Shepard we played and a new character with their memories. Just a thought.
I don't think the ME team is going to canonize the Liara/Shep romance, it'd blow up the fanbase (not in a good way). Maybe the helmet piece is the way Shep regains their memories, but I'm leaning more towards the dog tags from ME2.
Even if the next game would involve the multiverse what’s the reason? Shepard dies in every universe whether it be disintegration by uploading themselves to the reapers, disintegration by adding their energy to the crucible, blown up in the crucible while it enters earth’s orbit or the reapers making their way into the crucible after destroying the military force Shepard gathered
Can’t wait to see what we get this N7 day hopefully it will give us more clues to 1 setting and plot and 2 release date
Both of these would be ideal, I feel like they might only tell us setting / plot though. Dreadwolf has to come out first before they even hit production, so a release date is far off, IMO.
@@paragonseven I would be fine even if they were like 2030 that is a ways off but won’t have us on the edge of our seats waiting for a date
Absolutely lovely video keep up the great work and i love the multiverse theory ❤
Thank you! It's a fun one, I can't wait for another hint to drop that either destroys or strengthens it.
So, Shepard returns via reincarnation...does that mean our save files will carry over from MELE?
I'm hoping so! Would explain why they focused on the remastering of the trilogy over releasing a new game. 👀
As with any multiverse, if that card is pulled, everything losts their meaning.
That's what killed DC and Marvel cinematic universes (there is no consequence). That's what kills the main story of Starfield.
Mass Effect's lore has set rules and they are surprisingly grounded. The most we complain about is Reaper designs and thermal clips.
My exact feelings
ddi you know i figured this out. but if you turn up your volume at the beginning of the trailer of when it first starts you will hear a explosion that sounds like its crumbling like rocks! what does that make you think? cuz ik it makes me think of like the reaper war or the destroy ending though
Interesting, I would have to listen to it back and see. I'll give it a listen when I'm re-analyzing the trailer. 👍
okay would you mind including this info in a video your next video!? and just make sure to listen with volume up when the trailer first starts okay@@paragonseven
@@BlazeTheCatMan I include things in my videos that are relevant to what I'm covering. If I can't hear / see a hint that others have suggested, I don't include it. Hopefully I'll be able to check this one out. 👍
@@paragonseven yeah sorry u just want some recognition and some popularity is all lol
At first I was
“Multiverse? Pfffft, no f^cking way”
But then your points make way too much sense. So I definitely see it as a possibility now. And honestly, if they went this route, I’d be cool with it
What if Liara left Shepard on Alchera leaving Shepard in cryostasis giving cerberus a random charred body but gave it Shepard memories by letting it touch the monolith fragment or giving it a piece of Shepard brain so then they created clones but all were failures. That is until Shepard wakes up at the beginning of mass effect 2.. That Shepard could be a clone that Miranda got right but couldn't replicate because of the limited tissue samples of Shepard brain, Miranda Lawson was knowledgeable on cloning. So in the mass effect "5 " teaser, Liara is going back to retrieve Shepard from Alchera's freezing cold temperatures, could make perfect destroy possible as quarians could just rebuild the geth and it's not out of the question that the Angara sent an ark to the milky-way galaxy to seek out Liara's help about the Andromeda initiative, this why Liara can live and possibly recline Shepard so time skips won't matter maybe Edi was copied and cloned aswel to preserve her AI
First the superhero genre trended like crazy, now it’s the multiverse genre!😄
Hahah no kidding, if the theory is (somewhat) correct! 😂
Hmmm. Maybe a writing gig in your future at a certain game developer...
Hahahah can you imagine? 🤣
Yes I can...at least keep putting out theories...maybe " influence" the direction a bit. @@paragonseven
@@paragonseven
I can 🤔 🤫
The Shepaminator you can shoot him you can knife him but you just can't kill him go Shep Go
I agree, in a sense. They could use the scourge(dark matter) from Andromeda to explain time travel. That would explain the existence of anyone from the original trilogy being present, regardless of timeline.
From a different MCU angle, time travel could explain travel to a different timeline/universe. If they could tie together dark energy and dark matter, it would take care of loose threads from both the original trilogy and Andromeda.
As contrived as time travel would be, it would effectively be the same thing as taking someone or something from an alternate universe,
I agree with your hypothesis for the most part. As an avid MEA player currently with 4743+ hours of play, and of course similar combined hours on ME & MELE. I also agree that MEA is almost unplayable until one incorporates as I have, 30+ mods that make the game very playable and in my case intensely interesting.
Atharia, I love the thought that you have invested in this theory. It comes very close to the level of effort that I have put into a 100% completion of MEA which I have yet to accomplish. I have reached 98% but that is still not 100%. So, I continue the quest for 100%. I know, OCD/ADD compounded huh! Nobody would suspect that of a 77-year-old retired man, now would they?
Thank you, appreciate it! And getting 100% in MEA is a huge accomplishment, I struggled my way to 99%, with 2 side quests being permanently locked. 🥲
You'll get there, keep going! And guides help a LOT for that game. 👍
Preach! I know how you feel, I really need to get that 100%! It's been a personal goal ever since ME1.
She isnt green, because destroy is cannon and Shepard survives
The whole premise of these games is that nothing is canon and if one of the guys who worked on these games say there’s no canon ending to 3 then there’s no canon ending to 3
Reincarnation of Shepard would be so freaking cool!!!
Right?? I got waay too excited after seeing the angara mission with reincarnation. Not entirely sure they would go there, but if they do... 😤
@@paragonseven If they went that route, it'd allow for us to import our saves a choices 👀 It makes me think that the Legendary edition was to facilitate this.
@@NomaBear Maybe! When the trailer was released in 2020, they clearly had some sense of where they wanted to take the next game. So with the LE releasing in 2021...they might've been cooking this for a while. 👀
@@paragonseven Wouldn't it me nuts/awesome is Shepard was reincarnated as Volus?!🤣
@@NomaBear Hahaha just imagining Shep acting like the volus from Mass Effect 2: "I am a biotic god!" 😆
I believe AU Shep is from a dead universe. The reapers came and the Alliance and the Citadel put up a fight, knocking out a few but ultimately they lost. I cant imagine a universe without a shepard, not even a parallel one
If they go to another universe only to discover Commander Verner do you think they'll hesitate to bring him back to save their own universe?
I think they'd doom their own universe to avoid having Commander Verner in charge 🥲
Your voice is sooo pleasant! Also love the content, thanks for making these
Thank you! When I'm editing and listening to my voice for hours on end, it can get old really fast. 😅
Andromeda is what got me into this series
That's awesome! In my experience, it wasn't a game I was able to fully enjoy, but it's really great that Andromeda helped bring in new Mass Effect fans.
As much as I would love to get the band back together ---- there is something to be said about exploring new ground and new characters. Especially the characters who have made a sacrifice and died in the original trilogy. Where do you go from galactic stakes of AI versus organic? Personal stories? Do they have branches choices after the ME3 ending controversy or provide a narrative 'on rails' experience? If it's done right --- I am certain I could enjoy a multiverse game with sheppard back in the saddle but my gut prefers a brand new experience with new characters. I just have no idea where they can possibly go with the story to make it a compelling game --- but hey --- that's what professional writers are for.
I would 100% be on board with a new cast of characters and story. Just analyzing the hints they've dropped though, it seems they want to lean into nostalgia and old faces. I really hope we get a sense of potential plot direction this N7 day, cause that's the most intriguing aspect of the new game, for me at least.
I think you're close. At the end of ME3 the child asks if there are more stories about "the Shepard". I think that the new Shepard will be like the Prothian Cypher that was obtained Zous Hope. I think part of the game might be collecting artifacts from different major events in Shepard's life. As Javic said life leaves an imprint on it's surroundings. So, in order to build a Cypher of Shepard or to awaken dormant memories of a reincarnated Shepard. This can be done in much the same way the Prothian's could read the environment or objects by touch. Perhaps Liara figured out how yo do this through study of Prothian archives. Janic laments about how "communication in this cycle is still primitive". I think perhaps Shepard the person is gone, but Shepard the title will be what returns. This way it honors the previous games and the death othe Shepard. Yet you can create a new character appearance and keep or change previous classes. Perhaps if you Pick the same class as a previous play through it may give perks to the new character. That's my running theory and ideas on what could be.
I ALSO SEE THANE IN THE CONCEPT ART! I SEE YOU LIZARD MAN
I want our badass assassin back so bad. 😤
@@paragonseven He deserves more screentime! Justice for the drell
You not naming your channel NewParagon7 is a tremendous missed opportunity.
Maybe the reapers weren’t destroyed but only that one was killed? In the Arrival DLC they also studied a dead reaper. Since Liara is old she might have escaped the reaping just like Leviathan has? Possibly the Andromeda ppl returned to the Milkyway after hearing about the reaper invasion? Providing Liara with the knowledge of how to get Shepherd back?
Here for it all! I'm currently analyzing the teaser trailer from 2020 again, and I'm fairly convinced that the Alchera we see can't be from our universe. But again, it's all just a theory at this point. :) Your theories here are very valid as well!
Two things stood out to me as being the most compelling arguments for the multiverse. The first is the notion that the player could choose to "reincarnate" Shepard--to choose for themselves whether to start with a clean slate or not. Mass Effect's reputation was built, in part, on the notion of player choice. Whenever I see polls about Mass Effect, the community seems pretty divided on whether they want Shepard or a new protagonist--this would allow Bioware to give both groups what they want.
The second thing that I thought was really compelling was the idea that it's the energy released from the exploding relays that allows a bridge to be created between the two universes. If the destruction of one relay (as we saw in the Arrival DLC) is sufficient to destroy a single system, the energy from dozens of exploding relays scattered throughout the galaxy would be unimaginable. Enough, perhaps, to alter the laws of physics?
One other thought is niggling at the back of my mind, and that's the final scene in the high-EMS destroy ending when Shepard, in a pile of rubble, takes a breath. If that occurs in our universe, directly after the destruction of the Citadel/Crucible then, of the five possible endings, it makes the least sense. The Citadel explodes, and Shepard plummets through the atmosphere with no gloves or helmet, first exposed to vacuum, then to atmospheric entry at temperatures reaching up to 3,000 degrees Fahrenheit (for context, crematories run at temperatures of between 1,400--1,800 degrees Fahrenheit), then falls from the upper atmosphere to the ground (when just falling from a tall building is sufficient to crush your head like a melon). Makes no sense. However, if in some other version of reality, when the Normandy was fired on over Alchera, Shep wasn't knocked out of the Normandy, and the Normandy remained sufficiently intact and functional to hit the atmosphere at an angle that didn't cause it to break apart instantly, its hull and inertial dampeners could have protected Shep from the heat of atmospheric entry and the worst of the impact as it crashed...it might just be possible that Shepard survived. In which case, that scene could be reframed--not as Shepard surviving the end of ME3, but as an alternate version of Shep surviving the destruction of the Normandy.
Solid points, and I agree that they might try to re-spin the perfect destroy ending. Your idea on how Shep could have survived makes sense to me. 👍
All of the Asari looking exactly like Dr. Lexi drove me absolutely nuts. And the only Asari that looked different was Pee Bee-- Who is apparently the ugliest Asari in existence. And yes...Andromeda is tough to slog through, especially with Ryder, who is like a squishy millennial teenager, no matter how you try to create him or her, and doesn't have any kind of leadership backbone.
The Milky Way has 100-400 billion stars, and Andromeda has 1 trillion. If 1% of them has planets and 1% of those have a breathable atmosphere, then there would be at least 110 million planets for Liara to be on in that scene. An N7 is a type of special forces, so there are going to be many N7 soldiers we have never seen. Of the 10 million Milky Way planets there is bound to be a planet that resembles the one in the video, and if there is a dead Reaper then there are likely to be some soldiers that died in the battle to take it down.
I think the key to linking the galaxies is gravitational time dilation. Gravity makes time pass slower, so the 600 year trip to Andromeda was 600 years on the Ark but less time in the two galaxies. They can estimate the time difference to be however much they need it to be for the story. If they go with an in galaxy day equaling a between galaxies year then a little over a year and a half passed in the galaxies. I expect it would be more time with ship acceleration and deceleration, as well as the time dilation gradient. The Andromeda black hole gives additional narrative wiggle room.
As for the choices made in the previous games, I think they need to just establish a canon version. Either that or they will need to come up with BS answers that twist each decision into the same outcome after a number of years. For example if the Geth died then an off-site backup restored them, and if the Quarians died then the Geth revived them Lazarus Project style. A new story requires a starting point, and there are so many ME trilogy ending variations that setting a canon ending is best.
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Amen to that and I follow a great many of them and even contribute money to some of them. But since I am pretty much exclusively a Mass Effect addict I really don't much care about those others covering all the other current gaming world. I prefer a dedicated channel, and so far this looks like it fits that bill for me. I'm going to do all I can to ensure that it continues to grow. I see great things in the future for this young lady ✨✨🌹🌹🌹
Wow thank you so much, blown away by this comment! ❤️ Appreciate it, this video was in the works since the beginning.
Interesting I like it.
So I have had 2 long running EDI theory that I haven’t heard anybody else talk about 1 that EDI is still alive because of the victory ring she gives Shepard. 2 that EDI knew what the crucible was going to do for most 3 story line not the other choices, but the destroy ending. And she also told Legion that might be why geth (might be or are) coming back. So to tie it in with the multi universe theory is that ring is a memory shard. And she left a mathematical description of what a mass relay exploding with that much energy would do to the universe. Like Ripping holes into the other universe. it’s way we hear anomalies all across the universe. Or it’s the blue print of her brain patterns so she can be brought back. How does ties in with shepherd coming back Or the multiverse? I don’t know. that is my Charlie Day conspiracy board meme.
Huh, I never considered the ring to be anything other than a ring, but who knows! I personally appreciate the idea that EDI is the Normandy, and since we see it take off during every extended cut (destroy included), that she did survive somehow.
It would be wild if EDI knew about the potential ending choices, but unless she spoke to the catalyst, I don't see how.
@@paragonseven I personally appreciate the concept that we don't just choose whether 'Shepard Returns', but we can do the same for everyone in some way or another - whether its just them getting to pour over records of the other self and deciding to adopt their ways (think Blackwall in Dragon Age: Inquisition), or meeting the other self and taking on closer traits, or getting high access to their very memories (very much a thing for Geth). I'm not sure if this is what I'd want as the only big choice for characters, but its a texture to the RP that I'd personally consider fun if only for the spicy dialogue and plot that could happen.
My own theories were wild variants of Indoctrination Theory (not the explicit one, but mental weirdness involved). But they did include the new/'new' protagonist having to face variants of past allies that take on new form due to the changed world (including even being 'Indoctrinated' albeit a very different evolved sort), and you rehab them or amplify their new form.
@@SwobyJ Dang that would be pretty wild! It might be hard to write, since they would have to account for all the allies we've lost, but epic if they decide to go that route.
1. You are my hero. 2. Whatever Bioware chooses, I just hope there's nothing silly in it. That's it's a good game with an amazing story. If they invoke Shepards name, it's like a banner to unite fans. It will sell off the shelves. If they don't do it justice, play Andromeda games, it will hurt Bioware far more than Andromeda ever could.
Ok but.. why would they go to get a dead Shepherd in another universe when they have a dead Shepherd on earth?
I love this theory, i bought the legendary edition at the start of the year and this is my third playthrough, I'm really hoping your right about Shepard. If your theory is correct ( which i hope it is ) could we assume the Liara romance would be officially canon.
Glad you like it! I just finished my third playthrough as well pretty recently. :)
I don't think the ME team will canonize any romance, ever. Who people choose as their LI is a very important choice that the player makes. Forcing a LI on the community will cause massive outrage, and I personally wouldn't want to support a canonized romance. And this is coming from a Liaramancer. 😁
19:16 i think i told you on one of your previous videos that one of the 2 voices are actually anamoly readings are a critical call and the second one is detect probe delay instead of anamoly readings are all across space and detect probe relay sorry its just that you did not mention this though in this video though
I remember a conversation with garrus saying "do you really think we could find something worse than collecters or reapers" maybe this universe did make something worse and thats why all the reapers are dead and might be threatening our universe... Just a thought 😂
Rather than Shepard's helmet the shard Javic gave at the end of ME3 would make more sense
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love your videos great job and your multiverse theory is interesting. if the multiverse theory turns out to be correct do you see the leviathans being the next big bad?
Thank you! I'm actually writing up a script right now on who I think the next villains will be...but I'm going to have to leave you hanging until next Monday's video releases. :p
I will say that the Leviathans are part of the script though. 👀
Omg I really love this theory! But it has to come back with all our entire crew
Assuming the date for the next game is 2190, hopefully the whole gang is getting back together!
Yeah, that fits - given how they blew the ending choices for ME:3 so badly, so badly that they couldn't even save anything by jumping ahead 600 years into Andromeda. If they want to "bring Shepard back" in the next outing, they really need to find a way to pull a "Dallas" (TV show, disastrous season recovery), and pretend that all the unsensible original ME:3 endings were just a dream and give us all a complete "do over" with more rational choices that don't destroy the franchise's lead characters.
I never accepted that Shepard would have ever chosen the "Destroy Ending" at all - throwing all his AI teammates to the dust because that non-sensible choice didn't reasonably allow just taking out the Reapers alone...
Sort of a day late and a dollar short for ME to jump into the Multiverse now though, given that Bethesda's already done it... Given how BioWare seems like it's been falling apart ever since Anthem, I just hope what's left can make a decent Mass Effect game at all - it'll be an uphill battle for sure!
Bethesda doing a multiverse is intriguing. I haven't played Starfield yet, so I can't speak to how they pulled it off, but it'd open up the conversation for Mass Effect to potentially do one as well.
Multiverses are a cheap, clumsy copout for bad writers, definitely including Marvel here. And I think the writers Bioware brought in know that. MVT is a cheat code, and cheating is not a rewarding payoff. It cheapens everything we did in our universe, the choices we made and the relationships forged. I would really hate for them to try to satisfy Schroedinger's Mass Effect fan who simultaneously wants all of their choices from the trilogy to matter while also being happy about having all of those moments invalidated by a corny comic book plot device.
That said, I love the thought you put into this and the attempt to tie together all those clues scattered throughout the franchise.
Love your crazy theories
If they multiverse this I wont even pick it up.
I agree with your take on EA showing Liara holding an N7 jaw plate, to even show this and NOT return Shepard would be a horrible move after all the recent failures and letdowns.
If there's one thing I'm 99% certain on, it's that Shepard is returning. I would genuinely be very shocked if that's not what they intended showing the N7 piece.
So here are my 2 thoughts in Andromeda what about the jordan they went somewhere and with meridian having unlimited potential as it was moved and references to it being a engine could it be some kind of dimensions ship. Or as thier are hints that the geth return could shepherd come back as a synthetic as maybe his soul downloads into a geth or other synthetic body so him or her having a human lifespan would no longer apply
I think the bad shepherd live and you can redeem himself or reincarnated the old one
Wow this is by far the best theory I ever heard about the upcoming ME game, so according to DR. Strange theory did Shepard die in the original time of ME2 and when Shepard brought back we were given the chance to try and alter the fate? and we discovered that any ending will make Shepard be gone forever so IS ME2 and ME3 was the AU!?.. In reality whatever killed the reapers and Shepard there was no need to bring him/her back and as another comment said about Leviathan calling Shepard anomaly, new ME will continue "as if" Shepard died on Alchera and never brought back by Cerberus which means ME2 and ME3 did not happen at all.. I think this is my theory after hearing yours, though mine sounds crazy..
The Mass Effect team could honestly run with anything if they open it up into a multiverse. If the trilogy was presented as 'the one exception to all the other universes reality' it'd be wild!
so would the planet the normandy crashed landed on after me3 be in this second universe?
Huh, I never thought about this before, but I would say for now, no. The anomalies in space popping up (I assume) would take a bit to appear, so what we saw was the Normandy crew still in our universe. Very cool thought though!
Solid theory. I’ve yet to see something like this from our friends like Hulthen or Kala.
All the ME creators have been discussing a lot of theories, I've seen quite a few in live streams.
Of course it’s Alchera!!! Have you ever been to Liara’s apartment in Illium??
Look around and look well.
Not sure if you're referencing the N7 armour in the case?
@@user-wr7mb3ic7m that’s a good point! So this got even more interesting!
We need shepard back but whit a good and reasonable historie
I finished the entire trilogy at one point and then I try to pick up Andromeda. I couldn't even get through the tutorial because I was just so disinterested.
It starts off very slow, a different experience entirely from the trilogy. I would give it at least 5 hours though, it's not all bad.
To really get the best out of it you need to mod it heavily. I am currently running 30 mods in my copy.
Didn’t Shepard die on earth? Even in the renegade ending pretty sure the citadel blew up over earth.
I don't know. Regarding M Theory being added to the ME universe, sure. Very doable. However, regarding Shepard coming back because of it, a bit of a stretch. Too many loose ends.
Nice theory. Exciting if true!
also did you forget shepard had a clone?! i'm sure the clones body was recovered and maybe theirs data on the kronos station to where he can be cloned again and reincarnated through that. you don't need the multiverse fir that!
Cloning isn’t reincarnation
@axelnilsson5124 its physical reincarnation but the memories would be downloaded into the body using either prothean tech or javiks echo shard
@@CosmicDragonApocalypse or the memories could be downloaded from a husk in the control ending to be uploaded to the clone
@axelnilsson5124 either way you dont need the multiverse
@@CosmicDragonApocalypse especially when considering that Shepard dies in every universe anyways
Nice video! I'll be honest.. I think your theory is probably "way too smart" for BW, the same way they admitted IT was "too smart" for them. However... I will say that the latest teaser does NOT contradict your theory.. 'cause this new faceless N7 could be a new player character on said mission to recover Shepard?... one can hope that Michael Gamble sees your video!
I don't think the new character is the player, but I'll release my full thoughts on it in a couple videos. :)
Im so scared for my favorite franchise.. I dont trust them after Andromeda.. I really hope that they deliver..
All we can do is wait, and believe in the new team. It's not the same team that did Andromeda, that gives me hope.
@@paragonseven true. But while the teams different, EA hasnt changed. I hope they let them shine. Anthem and Andromeda both fell so hard on their faces. I want nothing more then a return to form. Hopefully we get the masterpiece that we all know they can make.
@@mora118 Good point, if EA can let them do their thing, I think we'll get to enjoy the masterpiece they're envisioning.
@@paragonseven thats the hope. EA has taken a lot of Ls. Lets see if they learned anything. Thanks for the great content. Been binging. You're pretty great.
@@mora118 Appreciate it, thank you!