MA3 Command Wing XT - Most Versatile onPC Setup Ever?
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2020
- The brand-new MA3 Command Wing XT is the first onPC product from MA Lighting to feature a built-in PC, meaning that it is the most versatile and portable control system from MA Lighting to date. All you need to do is connect your own touch screen monitors and begin programming. I would have loved to have something like this when I started touring and doing fly dates every weekend in clubs without consoles.
In this video, we'll take a first look at the XT, examine what makes it different from a normal command wing, and discuss the value that it brings to small/medium sized venues and touring acts.
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I am interested in programming like you, so can you suggested from where should I Start, which course I should take. I am from India
arrived expecting some ASMR, stayed for the B-Roll.
Finally you put up a video!!!! Cheers man!
Yea it’s good and all but how does it run fortnite 🖤
Crysis won’t even start.
I both hate and love this comment
Wait you Downloaded crysis on the ma?????
@@christianjackson How's Minesweeper?
I'm dead 🤣😂🤣
This command wing is a great machine for your creations. Excellent video Christian Jackson, thanks !!!!
Imagine getting a Windows 10 update prompt on your OnPC XT 🤣
You can buy the MA2 Command Wing Tourpack, so you get a monitor with a build in computer, it is simply running a Windows7, i think. Its the same as with this, only that the computer is on a different location in the case. And yes it has many Pros and Cons, but a Windows Update i have never seen in all the Time, only 2year old software on it and made me put my hands over my head. i think they can clearly have a install without you asking for an update. Plus: I havent had any Show where you got Internet on the Lan you put in the CommandWing. ,-)
Guessing the reason for the IEC power connector is for compatibility in certain spaces. If you’re in a school theatre for example, loosing a True1 cable is going to be far more problematic than an IEC.
what? why... it comes with a cable. It's not like avenue needs to have a cable on hand
@@captainawesomedude1 Can you read?
Im so excited to see u programming !
Greets from Germany btw 😋
27:40 Tablet mode isn't the only way to get the on-screen keyboard, if you right-click task bar (click and hold) you can enable the touch keyboard button on the taskbar.
i love the lighting on the back wall
Thanks a lot for many very good videos a long the way & years. Cant wait to follow this thread and the command wing xt. Please Hurry :-)))) Regards fro Norway
I know sweet F A about MA... however...
A hugely missed opportunity by MA here to make the command wing PC support two hot pluggable SFF-sized modules. The power supply could be on the console and a proprietary connector would give the modules GigE and a 12V/5V DC rail for components.
As you suggested Christian, the lack of ethercon is disappointing as MA would be able to set up an internal network switch that, and you could actually switch out multiple consoles attached to the session! (Also, redundancy! Hardware can just die!!)
When he was announcing the giveaway I totally thought he was giving away the XT at first
I'd gladly buy ACT's course for a XT lmao
I’m not a lighting person but I’m exited for the future of MA3
hello alright Christian, I'm from Brazil and I really like your channel, even though I have to translate it into Portuguese I still like it very much congratulations
So if it's just a windows computer can you run MA2 ONPC on it?
Even the lighting in your videos is top tier bro😭😭😭
Great man
Wow excellent very more interesting thank you very much
Thanks for the review. We recently got this console at school. And it was very useful for me to learn about all this, since I had only worked in SunliteSuite before and YARILO Open DMX interface whith Q Light Controller.
Greetings from Russia and peace to the world! ✌
Nice studio setup! It would be cool if it had Thunderbolt 3 to plug in an external GPU and still use it for visuals if you wanted to/ for a small installation setup.
Just think you could run 8 of the new auras on full channel mode with that many peramiters 😂👌🏻
You can open the on screen keyboard by just opening the start menu and typing in on screen keyboard FYI
Typing... Without a keyboard... Trick is open menu start > accessibility > onscreen keyboard. That works without a keyboard, only need touchscreen/mouse. Pro tip; stick it to your toolbar so it'll stay there, even if it isn't used. Also, this keyboard will work with tabletmode ánd without.
Win+R (cmd prompt) then type osk.exe
my wish for the MA4 line of devices would be that every exec fader would have a little screen above it i which the stored cue would be displayed
Jands vista 2 boards did something like that
It was actually an real idea for the gma3 but that would only made it more expensive... The letterbox kinda fixes that.
letterbox screens are better imo as a small display wouldn't be big enough for any real use other than a name. The most useful info is the cue stack or type of executor for eg GO_R, which is already displayed on the letterbox, it would only make the console more expensive and would take up more real estate on the surface meaning you wouldn't have the space for the 2 rows of pot executors.
The ETC Eos desks do this pretty well, they have OLED screens above each fader that display info on the submaster or cue stack you have assigned to the fader.
The built in pc really made me think of the Avid Venue mixing consoles which also runing windows, it's a bit weird to see a consumer level operating system running on a pro gear personally. Think of you are doing a show and windows just ask you to reboot and update your system or windows defender is scanning in the background slowing down the system.
Always having a backup image of the operating system for these bad boys is quite important in case some day someone plugs a drive with malware or windows update messed up the system.
Anyway, thank you Christian for such a great video, hoping MA can make both hardware and software improvements.
I'm pretty sure it's windows 10 iot enterprise so probably MA Lighting disabled things like windows updates
Windows update can be totally destroyed by some modifications in gpedit, services and regedit.
I am a fan of the MA3 command wing, it has its issues, but mostly just due to buggy software. Also a huge fan of the buttons, was super used to the MA2 buttons going into it but I quickly learned that im a huge fan. Wish it had 4 dmx out instead of 3 out and 1 in, but it is how it is. Definitely a great option for anyone wanting to use MA3 on a console without dishing out the money for a full console. I've gotten to love it over the 5 or so months ive been able to use it. Overall pretty impressed.
Appreciate this first decent look! I still find it hard to believe they have decided to get ride of a grand master fader.
def has been commented already but you can just search for "On screen keyboard" in the start menu and open it while still in desktop mode with as many monitors as your GPU supports.
great vid as usual :)
Not sure why YT recommended this to me. Even less sure why I watched the whole video. Don't know what this thing is. But great video mate 🤛🏾
I just came from the video when you get the used MA2... here we go!
Big fan Christian!!!
Would've also been nice if it had the option to run as just a wing. Like the old Martin M2Go's. That was always a super useful feature on that console. Especially if the internal pc plays up, then you can just plug your laptop in and flick it into usb mode and keep the show running. Otherwise it's a very neat addition for MA's small console range!
My grandma enjoys using my grandma ☺️
The missing Master Fader is sad... I really love it when I do shows where I don't know the band, when they do like fade out the music or something, I just have the blinders and maybe backdrop not reacting to Master and can be like, ok, band fades, light fades too.
Hey man I’m a 15 year old, just wondering what classes I should take or what should I study to do this in the future?
As I’m sure you know you can still have a Grand Master you just assign it to a fader of your choice, the two long faders are definitely intended for masters
Best thing with MA is those crispy cherry switches :)
Thanks for the info! What were those monitor stands? I like them, look easy and fast to setup.
I suppose this means that you would be able to install extra software to implement other hardware in your setup, like Showcockpit or Bome. Cool. Very cool.
Dig how theyre creating something thats more affordable without shorting out on parameters and features of a regular desk.
You can have an icon on your task bar for the touch keyboard. Right-click (or press and hold on touch screen) on the task bar and enable "Show touch keyboard button". This will let you use the touch keyboard in desktop mode.
But can you install Hog on it?
Sound like a great way to f*** with some at FOH.
4096 parameters is so 2008, the deep pocketed shows will continue using MA. For everyone else there's Chamsys which has caught up with MA2 and already has features that MA3 is implementing.
Graphics crispy AF!
Cool!
The Dot2 Series has IEC Connectors as well. At least the EU Version in Germany has.
Question: You talked about the live tracking backup, are you able to use the XT-Wing as a pure input device via USB (like a normal command wing) in case the build in PC dies for whatever reason?
Is there a way to have a count of parameters your showfile is using? Since it isn't tied directly to DMX channels?
What taskmanager says about the hardware? What is the specs?
Damn dude, those prediction values
hell yeah
I'm gonna dominate in Mine Sweeper with this controller
How did you end up configuring the 2nd monitor? My new board isn't detecting it for some reason
Is a grandMA comanderwing onpc 3 on its own pc.
A decent setup for live use in combination with an akai apc40 with beyond on a separate pc and this connected via artnet.
Or are there better solutions for?
Because would like to be able to operate a small light setup of moving heads and beam bars together.
Up to a maximum of 100 DMX fixtures and 16 lasers
Thanks for the info
Guys, can you tell me what is the best screen touch and what size must be. I use command wing xt in night club so do need to travel or etc. What is these monitors and stand for it? TIA.
Hi Christian what is the Model number of the touchscreen Dells.....?????
Hi... great vid... you rule.. when comes the follow up 🙏🏻🙏🏻 hope soon .
Thanks for usefull info
what high power laptops would you suggest to look at to work with the GrandMA3.....???????
Hi Christian. Can an EDM show look good with 48 COLORado 2 Quad Zoom fixtures? I'm planning on putting on a performance and that's what the venue has, along with the MA 120120 on PC command wing and 120125 on MC on PC fader wing.
11:40 I guess the reason for the magnetic "label strips" is, over the years sliding across there with the fingers it wears the paint. On my MA1 the numbers disappeared over the years. So in this case you only have to replace the magnetic strip instead of repainting the numbers etc..
Would love to see a Cinebench run on this
Which screen are you using ?
What framerate does it get in minesweeper
Hi... hope everythings ok... how is the progress of the next «post»
I look forward to hearing and learning more about this and your approach . Please stay safe .. regards from Norway
27:30 I have a Grand MA2 On PC Command Wing with 2 elo touch screen monitors and they both work with their touchscreens. I don't understand why it wouldn't work like that. (im also running windows 10)
Cane you make a serie for beginners with ma? Only if you have time of course.
Thanks for the German Subtitles!
Would be funny if you would install Sunlite suite 1 on this
I guess IEC connector is a “compatibility” choice: if you’re taking a compact setup on tour you have a power cable that can be found locally and not from a “professional” store...
I guess that’s the reason... That’s why in every rack i build i put both powecon and IEC inlet... as an emergency feature
call me stupid but can someone pls explain what is thsi for? is it for controling light in events or what exactly?
BTW to use the onscreen keyboard globally on Windows 10 right click the taskbar and select "show touch keyboard button"
quarantine + no video new from christian = sad times
Nice piece.
Please info about the stands and monitors to buy the full toy
Thanks Chris
Monitors look like the Dell P2418HT.
Hey Cristian, might I ask which razer laptop you're using for your shows? Really appreciate all your effort, you really are someone I look up to!!
Pro 2019
@@christianjackson oh amazing, I bought the 2020 blade 15 as my new workhorse for my new career
damn christian that b roll tho wow amazing
Can it run resolume tho?
I was going to comment a question but I’ve forgot what it was
Edit: I remember. In Windows 10 you can setup a setting called “Kiosk Mode” were you select a application to run and it will automatically go to that account and you can’t access anything but that application unless you Logout and now the Administration password.
Please tell me how to do this because I would love this for a live machine or studio machine
Wiener Stein When I get back to my computer I will tell you how to do it
Wiener Stein Instructions on how to do it:
Go to Settings -> Accounts -> Family & Other Users -> Scroll down to “Set up a Kiosk” -> Click “Assign Access” -> “Get Started” -> Enter a Name for it (eg User) -> Choose a Kiosk Application (I don’t know if GrandMA 3 supports it but you can try as I don’t have it downloaded right now) -> Click next once selected the application -> Then it tells you some information -> Click Close. Then you have successfully setup kiosk mode.
What do you think of AVOLITES T3
which monitors are these?
to access screenboard you can access via the click start then settings then ease of use and click onscreen keyboard, you dont need to go into tablet mode
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When you, a 17 year old lighting designer who's just started out with dot2 onpc has had a GMA 3 training before the legendary jackson has... hehe ♥ the netherlands
We bashed on Christian for his workflow ahahaha
As always a nice Video. Keep up the good work 😁
I had some chances to work on a ma3 Light crv and compact xt over a month and somehow i still don't like the new layout....maybe im too fixed on the Gma1 & 2
Why:
- The Set, next, prev Cross on the bottom right is gone and went to the upper section... The next-store-screen maneuver with the pinky and thumb is not possible anymore unless you sacrifice some exec for macros... Or you get slower because your hand is now flying all over the console.
- No backup Button anymore... Either you do the long way over Menu, Backup and save or you use a macro... I think there will be a command layer in my showfile... 🤔
- No GM fader unless you sacrifice one, because the steps of the rotary are a joke.
- The USB port on the front is predestined to be runned off by a sleepy or not cautious Operator.
- The screen angle is sometimes weird.... You can tilt the Waffle Maker to a certain angle. If you need a flatter angle (because you are sitting for example) you have no chance to correct it... Somehow i miss the yellow shroom and motor screens.
- The screens are now capacitive and not resistive.... Maybe thats ok. But if you want to use your Fingernail or pen for more precision, buy a new stylus for capacitive screens because it doesnt work anymore... And buy a bottle of screen or glass cleaner, because they get messy much faster.
- Ethernet 1-3 are officially allround Ports referred to the manual... That's a lie at least you work in ma2 mode for stability reasons... Still MA-net on 1, ArtNet on 2.... Maybe it works on ma3 mode.
- no locking with ma+fix anymore unless you have a external keyboard and can press pause.
Maybe im ranting on a very high level but somehow im hating the ma3 more, the longer i work with it 😢
> No backup Button anymore... Either you do the long way over Menu, Backup and save or you use a macro...
Double-tap of the [Menu] button performs a quicksave.
> Ethernet 1-3 are officially allround Ports referred to the manual... That's a lie at least you work in ma2 mode for stability reasons... Still MA-net on 1, ArtNet on 2.... Maybe it works on ma3 mode.
In Mode2 the ports work as they do on MA2 hardware. In MA3 software they are freely configurable, as the manual states.
> no locking with ma+fix anymore unless you have a external keyboard and can press pause.
MA+MA+Pause (both MA buttons and the small Pause key with Fix printed on it)
@@ACTEntertainmentNA
Ah, thank you! Didnt see that in the manual.... So there are "just" still the layout problems
Where are you, Christian for two years?
We still waiting for your new videos.
I don't know anything about MA3, so I'm wondering: Can it run MA2 and if yes, what hardware features (like the motorized faders for example) work there?
IIRC the MA3 command wing doesn't support MA2-Mode.
I got an XT on PC too. Same issue with second screen. You mentioned a fix. But then moved on. Then cut to show file loaded at 29.09. And have two screens. How did you get second screen to work!
I assume you've already figured this out but for others who read your comment Christian mentions on screen at 26:40 "All touch screen config done in control panel of windows" and says "It literally is a windows 10 install." I assume he's getting at the fact that you need to close/minimize the onPC software to get into WIN10 environment and then go through 'Display Settings' to setup any additional monitors (ie. Mulitiple Monitors, Extended Display, etc...). Hope this helps.
wow that lighting in your studio is really cool, did you have a professional lighting expert set it u..... oh wait
Man, you're making it harder to wait for my XT to come in lol
when are you getting yours Joe? I ordered mine mid august and I won't be getting it until mid September or so, what I was told is that they had a big back order due to covid, is that what you were told also?
Jubel Rodriguez we ordered it about 2-3 weeks ago. We just got word in today that it would be shipping on the 28th. Not sure if it was due to covid or not.
its sounds like we are in the same time frame, well that's good to know that am not the only one having to wait for this long. Its been tough waiting on it when I know I could be using all this free time to learn it more and get better with it.
Great video very professional looking.
Now to the main deal. When was it ACT lighting I've always know it as A C T. Im so confused everything Ive know is a lie.
For the issue of hires having the ROOT access to Windows can be fixed with User accounts
Lets go gaming on MA
real question is can it play MSFS 2020
Not a big fan of the position of the X-Keys Either. Let me know if that messes you up majorly. I know they're integral in my workflow
I don't know if I like the idea of the PC being built in, I know the bigger consoles they have to be. But this looks like they have just put a off the shelf PC motherboard in, thats why the connectors aren't ethercon.
It's easier to find a replacement laptop in a hurry than finding a replacement motherboard for the XT.
You can have more than 1 touch screen there is software to do that and is free and you can set orientation to it as well
Are you allowed to share the actual pc specs? I wouldn't want to run a ton of touch designer stuff but it would be nice to be able to run a minimal backup resolume composition just to be safe.
I wouldn’t use it for that.
MA could have used IEC for the power since true one is very uncommon outside of the show world. I know if i was using it to supplement home programming it is a lot easier to source an IEC cable since if for some reason I loose it since i have a box of them in the basement..
I dont have any true one in my house.
This is exactly the reason for IEC on the Command Wing and Command Wing XT. Just like replacing a monitor on the road at a local store, it’s easier to find an IEC cable at a local store or any computer in the venue.
God I want one
Probs to the german subtitle translator guy. Thank u :D
there are ways to strap down windows for a rental situation. for very little cost.
Since this is just a Windows PC: could you give us some info about the hardware as reported by Task-Manager, Settings etc? Especially CPU, RAM, GPU? Would be interesting to know what they are using. Given combination the retail-price 6400€ above the non-XT, and the power draw of 100VA, i am rather certain that for all but the most restricted use-cases, a separate machine is the way to go
I’ll be including that info in the review video
@@christianjackson Thank you!
forum.malighting.com/thread/4107-hardware-for-onpc-windows-hardware-of-onpc-command-wing-xt-console/?postID=10629#post10629
wait...Do you use the same Gerald Undone studio? BTW...any plan to make a GrandMA3 course from scratch? Put your courses on Udemy and I'll buy all of them. Thanks
You can get an onscreen keyboard by pinning it to your start menu.