Why I Decided to Buy an MA3 - LETS GO!!
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- Опубликовано: 22 июл 2024
- This was not an easy decision to make, but it feels like the time is right to shift most of my new programming efforts onto MA3. Don't worry, MA2 is not going away anytime soon, and the vast majority of my shows going forward will still likely be programmed in MA2, but the time is now for me personally to start the transition.
In this video I'll talk a bit about why I decided to make an admittedly poor personal financial decision in exchange for the opportunity to help shape the future of lighting control.
Thanks to Aron (Visual Endeavors) for letting me run his rig on MA2 six (WAIT IT WAS SEVEN!) years ago. www.visualendeavors.com/
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Timestamps
00:00 - Introduction
02:36 - Picking up my console
03:27 - Rick Roll QR Code
04:25 - Transporting home
05:12 - ZERO bullying tolerance policy
06:38 - First time setup
07:16 - I hate the MA3 dust cover
09:00 - Setting up my festival template file
09:30 - No longer scared
11:50 - The first time I used an MA2
14:20 - The dilemma of learning MA2 halfway through it's development
15:45 - Will MA3 be the future?
17:50 - Tour rentals help pay for it
19:05 - This is a different kind of investment
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As someone who has owned an MA3 lite for over two years now I find your comments quite refreshing with regards to the software. MA and their distributors have a lot of work to do and need to listen to their wider community a lot better than they have in the past otherwise we will end up with a repeat of the Hog3.
Please excuse me while I post my thesis on why I wish I had bought an MA2.
While it is an incredible machine and the way forward in many different ways there are some key hardware and software changes that have disappointed me.
Such as:
The lack of second screen encoder
The lack of screen arm USB (the one that is on the front panel to the far right will be the first thing to get damaged on most MA3s)
The choice to reduce the executor buttons below the lower screen
The choice to release a desk with Displayport outs (Locking connector good) but make them passive so no adapters easily work without special tricks forcing you to buy native displayport monitors.
And especially the lack of snack draw or adapter draw at the front.
I saw the desk range at Pro Light and Sound in 2018 (as you did) and I noticed most of these issues and still purchased the desk so thats on me to a certain degree. What I feel let down by is the direction development has gone with regards to the tone deaf responses to feature or bug requests. One thing that constantly annoys me in MA3 mode is the removal of the MA + 1,2,3 shortcut to change programming layers. Most suggestions I've made have been met with responses of "you'll learn to love it" and I totally disagree.
That response is the reason why the ConsoleTraining channel has gone into nearly a two year hiatus. I have other projects that are more rewarding and right now I don't have the energy to deal with "Not Implemented" or "In a future version"
I know Covid has caused us to lose two years of proper development time but I am very interested to look at the new Avolites offering.
ALSO: Light Converse/L8 had the parameter free viz driver for MA2 before version 2.9 as well.
The Software side is something i really find hindering currently.
There is no Double/HalfSpeed.
So many other Keywords are missing as well.
Shortcuts wich used to be there are gone.
It feels like i'm more forced into a certain way of doing it. Wich allows for a greater depth of that feature, but it restricts my workflow.
And so on.
On the Hardware side there are all those issues you mentioned.
The Front USB is something you could probably stick one of those miniature USB Sticks, wich have the size of a fingernail.
At least there is the USB Slot next to the Keyboard.
The X Keys are in a bit of a akward place as well. I get, why they are there, but i don't get why they had to have that function to need to go there.
For all of the nice things they have done to the console hardware i can probably name a bad thing as well.
We will have to see how that turns out.
I got the feeling that MA were already at the 'Hog 3 situation' stage. From the very start, if I'm honest. It happens. Avo had a similar situation when Titan was released, nothing was right, and they lost users at the time.
You probably know Steve
The buttons they put below the Xkeys also frustrate me too no end. I'll be flash and trashing on the xkeys and accidentally hit the park button.
Hello
I'm a lightning programmer/rigger and I just got an Grand MA2 command wing. I have been watching some videos by your team and it been amazing.
ON THIS NOTE I WANT TO ASK
DO YOU RENDER ONE ON ONE TRAINING? I WOULD LOVE TO APPLY.
Online course is not sinking well with me, please reply.
Regards
AkiLight
The rick roll QR is a 100% getting on there.
Who else missed the videos of when he would actually go to gigs and show us everything behind the scenes :(( i miss those days😞
Its been a year. Wondering wherehe is..??!!
@@allwinantofranklin895 For real!
@@allwinantofranklin895 same
I miss his content overall but he stated pretty good reason on why he won't upload anymore
@@CHGOfficial512 which reason?
One year later, I'd love to hear a follow up on this. Especially with the 1.7 release.
that "I know Christian Jackson" sticker on the forklift is amazing
Where? 😂
@@elliott7268 You can see it at 2:45
That's pretty awesome, thanks for pointing it out.
Why no new videos? I love seeing your LD videos.
Would just like to say thanks for the videos. They have helped me so much in wanted to become an LD and I have learnt so much from you as many others have aswell. Hopefully one day you post again. stay safe
Same… I’m still waiting 2 years later.
I’m glad someone finally acknowledged that it’s uncertain that MA3 will be the leading console like MA2 was. While MA 2 is a great console It’s gonna take a decent amount of time to tell if MA3 will be just as successful.
Christian: "There will be absolutely zero tolerance for any..."
Me: "Oh man are we about to get political?"
Christian: "...cargo shorts slander"
Me: ah.
Ngl I had second hand shock when you said you bought the light, that's such a big investment but also, the opertunities and stuff you can now do will be worth it.
I'm going to be in shock for a long time haha. Definitely had to reformulate my personal budget for a long time to make this work.
@@christianjackson can't imagine, I was shocked for a month after I bought my current zero 88 flx and that was only 2.4k which as far as consoles go is well, nothing.
Christian, great video as always. Just wanted to let you know that I’m very happy for you to be able to do what you truly love doing for a career. So many people, myself included, are doing what we need to do just to make a living. You have the ability to do both. Thanks for the video. Take care
Christian wya I miss your videos we need some more please!!🙏
It's great to see you vivid and fresh~~ I LOVE the equipment!
I'm sure you will give those developers at MA Lighting good feedback. Thanks for the great video and enjoy the adventures ahead of you with that grandMA3 console.
Hi Christian, I love your videos and miss having new content from you! will you be back up and uploading again someday?
So cool! Can't wait to see how MA3 develops overtime!
Great decision! I can’t wait to meet you in Nashville and see this thing in action
Put “HOG 4” with the HES logo on it. 100% theft proof.
Oh my god. I feel so bad for laughing at that
😂
It's really inspiring to hear you talk about learning MA2 for years with mainly just onPC. I've decided that, after roughly ten years of finding lighting design fascinating, I should give it a try myself and am currently trying to learn MA3 on almost zero budget with the onPC-version as well. Maybe it'll stay a hobby, maybe it'll become a side job - no idea what the future brings! But seeing that someone else who's already up in the game starting outside the same gives me hope.
Hey brother! Its been a hot minute. Just wondering if all is good
Looking forward to seeing the growth and development MA3 is going to have.
Keeping fingers crossed the upcoming tour I'll be behind an MA3 so I can play around in 3 mode during downtime.
Also, your RUclips profile picture should be slapped right on that case.
Ok now that is a really good idea haha.
Yay! I just got my MA3 Wing so excited to see content for the MA3 line!!
Cargo shorts are underrated! Everybody be hating on them😭
Where has Christian Jackson gone...it's been 8 months
Very much looking forward to seeing your self appointed task of programming the same show on both MA2 and MA3 and comparing the current process and limitations.
It's going to be a TON of work. Main priority is getting the show done in MA2 first obviously, but most of my downtime on tour will be spent recreating it on 3 with the ultimate goal of running a low risk show on it before the run is over :)
@@christianjackson Very keen to see if you can convince me to make the jump! haha
Super stoked for you, excited for the future!
I don’t know the first thing about stage lighting, but I find your videos intriguing and fascinating.
i hope there is gonna be a day when christian starts uploading again
Congratulations Christian! So exciting!
18:24 love how you acknowledge your MA2 console like its a good friend, i do the same with my command wing, sometimes i get home, pat the wrist rests and say those exact words....lol, its hilarious you talking about not getting into lighting control early enough, at 38 years old and discovering how much i love this only 4 or 5 years ago, feels bad man, wish i woulda stumbled on all this 20+ years ago.
I love you bro and I think I kind of connect with you so well...Huge fan from Nigeria... thanks for all you do here on your page...Big up man
Great starting point for me as I just purchsed my first laser a small 3 watt unit. I am looking forward to restarting my DJ career. Sad that the ma2 is now discontinued I love old gear and hate debugging new gear. You are very open minded and a trail blazer good luck and keep posting.
this video reminds me of the Hog 2 to 3 transition, so much hope, and excitement at the possibilities... and yet in time and a bit of work on High Ends part the system is still being used...
Came here to give those cargo pants some love. Keep rocking it Christian!
hey man! Great video!
i have to go watch ur whole channel, long way to go for me on ma2
We are in the process of renovating my building's lighting rig, the most intelligent lighting we have are Source 4 Revolutions, and I am asking for the MA3 with the MA2 software. I enjoy watching your vids as I have cut my teeth on ETC products with a small dappling of Whole Hog. Thanks for the honesty and I might get a chance to catch you at the Ascend this August. It's also my kids birthday, so they may want me there.
Congrats on 100.000 :)
4:06 smooth transition broooo
Nice use of the 360 degree camera in the loading the console into your car sequence.
Interesting to hear your considered thoughts on why you bought the MA3.
Hope you got a good deal on the console with getting on the ground floor on the MA3 development means that your subsidising it’s development when by your own admission it doesn’t do everything the MA2 does.
Hope it all works out for you though.
I think all I can really say is that I didn’t pay list price and I didn’t get it for dealer cost. Somewhere in the middle :)
Thanks for making these videos!!
Congratulations, thats a sweet n bold step
I love seeing the next step I have played with the ma3 and programmed a show but I have never touched an ma2 hope to see more vids on the 3
hey man, i just wanted to know if you had any plans of uploading again? been 2 years now and you're one of my biggest inspirations in this industry apart from the guy that got me into all this last year and your channel was the first thing I was recommended along with the MA E learning lol. hope everything is going ok for you
Wouldn't have ever become a part of the production world if it weren't for your videos!
You still alive bro?
Great video, enjoy your new console, the struggle to get it in the car, I got a box of chocolates on pickup
Our Congratulations! We bought MA3 Light in 2020 to the Theatre and started work in mode 2 (so you can sale your MA2 already). But mode 3 was very undfriendfull and we were wait for stable version (now 1.6....). Now I get best sense of workflow and always can back in mode 2 do simple shows in familiar way. It's was very right way to use console in 2 modes as we haven't enough time to export our shows directly (you know IMWR problems). But possibility to work in two modes made this prosses more easier and comfortable (in case when we transfer all show from ETC to MA 2 it was a month of programming and creating something new))) So, All The BEst With Light Indeed
Congratulations you deserve. Have great jobs with your new console. Abs Rodolfo
Your approach to run the same show on MA3 as well as MA2 is incredibly intriguing and interesting, very excited to see how that goes.
Side note: When you talked about the spark you felt, I felt like you were explaining the same feeling I got the first time I was behind a lighting desk. You are a huge inspiration, keep up the great work, and I’m excited to watch and learn from the future to come.
Congratulations on your new and expensive toy, it will undoubtedly bring you good benefits both financially and professionally, I admire your reasoning ability, always thinking of improving your present with a vision of the future, thank you for sharing your achievements. I admire and greet you from Mexico.
Mi ingles no es muy bueno, ojala se entinda jejeje. abrazo!
Hi Christian, I'm really excited for you, I'm a 33 year old Italian ld, I don't go on tour, I work in a local service, we rarely deal with big big stages and often for convenience I work busking with Avolites. For all the reasons you obviously already know. Now I just bought myself a ma2 commang wing because I want to learn to work in good and well-planned shows. More or less 10 years ago the service where I work purchased one of the first ma2 ultra light (the serial number was less than 100) I had it in stock for several years but I was too young to use it, then it was sold.💔💔💔💔
It would be nice to do courses on how to structure a show, how to set up a job, in addition to specific console or software courses.
Anyway, congratulations on your work. Maybe one day we will meet ;)
Congrats man!!
That's how I learn best. Just the opportunity to sit at the desk an figure it out. Just waaaaay out of price range currently. Chamsys ended up being my go-to til I could get an opportunity to sit at an MA. But your videos have helped me ALOT with learning parts of MA2
Where have you been? I miss all of the videos
congrat and good luck :D
...till the last second I was still holding on to hopes that the shop guys had put a hog3 in that case.... 🤘🤪🤘
Badass how it made that heavenly chorus sound when you turned it on!
i am a student working with a ION 3000 lighting board with the two fader extensions in a middle school auditorium and I think my biggest challenge has been programming intimidators. this general is so inspirational keep up the great work!
You are so kind to grandMA 2 nice to see you dont want to hurt her feelings 😊
Congratulations Christian!!! 100k of Subscibers😂
Now you need an MA1 to complete the set 😁🤔
Saw one yesterday. They are using it on the DJ stage at a festival in Spain called Starlite
I learned on the MA1 this year lol
Yo Christian, awesome vid and that’s a huge purchase! Any tips for me as an aspiring LD on an ETC Ion Xe… for live music 😬😬😬
Good to see some people can actually afford it. I always wanted be the one behind the console, since I was 8 years old. In Poland those things cost more than a good car. Some people still use old MA1, others go for HOG4, some have Chamsys or AVO. MA2 is a luxurious console there, Chineese made MA2s are the thing as well ;-)
I am now looking for a way to unlock parameters from MA2 in latest software version (the one with the 8k parameter bug is from 2014). With a bit of reverse engineering I could perhaps emulate command wing or trick the console to go into backup mode enabling 8k parameters. The problem is obviously lack of access to real hardware to do things like intercepting the network traffic between MA2 full size and MA2PC. No hope to get a real deal, not even Chineese one... I was twice "working" on HOG4 (they paid me only for unrigging the lights, but I was in fact doing the programming too). I am not sure if having own built sort of console would help me at all, but at least potential employer would see that I know the stuff. Without parameter export I could not even use UE4 as previz (i'm tired of MA 3D), so I have to stick with old MA2 version that does not allows me to work the encoders from my own built fader wing. I think it's time to grab some useless cash registers for buttons, then I could have some thing that would be at least a bit like a half proper fader wing. When the chip crysis is over maybe I will be able to built some DIY DMX lights to gain a bit of experience in hardware design. What I was able to do for now is the worst looking fader wing and some WS2812 RGB LEDs using sACN over WiFi (the jitter is hell, yeah). What is the reason behind those enormous MA3 onPC hardware requirements? 16GB RAM for a system exporting parameters through ARTnet or sACN? Is that because MA have implemented some anti debugging in the software to stop guys like me? With anti debug things always get inefficient and require more resources. I am not even trying to tamper with MA3 yet, but who knows ;-)
Hey Christian! How many watts does a LED moving head has to have in order to keep up with a 7R lamp? For example a 360w LED BSW hybrid can have the same or more output as a 7R beam?
You're an absolute mad lad!
Love to see some more Timecoded shows of some sort?! 🙌
Hey man how are you doing? Loved this video it was great! I have a quick question, what would you recommend as a good 3d software for lighting?
Thanks
Brett
How would you recommend a new LD start out with little to no gear? (other than a DMXIS lol) Would you start with your old setup, such a an MA2 onPC command wing + Capture, or would you recommend starting somewhere else like Onyx?
Would love to get your thoughts on the console after having it a year and the software upgrades.
I’ve always wondered what software you were using on you pc to design the sets and rig them up… anyone might have an answer for me ? :/
Thanks
a very sync lights to music . 10000000000000 % perfection . salute to your job well done sir. sir may ask about grandma 3 any brand of moving head and lights will fit in to grandma 3? ty
Are you working on the new Euphoria Tour and will there be vlogs? :)
holy shit no way ur here, knew you loved festivals but didn’t realise you were into FOH stuff
Martin Robe & ClayPaky logos would be nice on that case! ❤😂
Hi Christian and thanks you for all the sharing. What's your thoughts on ChamSys vs MA in terms on price, reliability and interface. Interface meaning how straightforward is running everything and how lost can you get in deep settings...
I miss your videos... Where are you!!!!
I’m happy for you bruh
When is the MA1 light coming? Gotta complete the set.
I hope you will upload more video soon 🙏🏻I miss you
What happened to your videos?? Where you at?
Hey Chris, a side question but as someone who is getting more into console work and design what laptop do you use and or which one(s) would you recommend?
Side note; do you still fix mixers? I have a Denon 1850 that channel 2 and 3 are not working anymore and my LCD is blacked out. PLEASE HELP
Christian, can I run videos to a led panel with my lightshow directly from a timecode sequence on MA?
Miss your posts brother
I NEED BACK IN!! I STARTED IN 91 WITH TRACK SPOTS AND INTELLABEMS AND LIGHTWAVE RESEARCH UNIVERSAL CONTROLERS!!!! SERIOUSLY I live to run lights and again
Where you been man miss u
Hey Christian Jackson! Can I get any tips on how to become a LD or some sort of job that can get me using beams? I already have good experience with controlling beams but otherwise I don’t know how to get a Lighting job.
Finally, watching keenly
Hey Christian, i want to film my shows in the future and want to ask you, want lens or lens typ you can recommend. It will be probably a lens with a open f-stop and not too wide, but i have no experiences with filming sets.
First. Yes Christian. I am going to be that guy. Have a good day buddy!
Where’d he go! We need an update or some content.
Currently on a plane, ma3 onpc on the laptop heading out to do some shows
hello, I find your video with superb content, not just on the hardware but on the artistic Lumiere creation. And I wanted to know if you had tested other console brands. like for example avolites with its AI media server and its synergy system? good to you
I've totally put QR codes with a rickroll link on them on stuff my work has sent out! Lol
5:27 i love the hit marker
Any chance to join your load in/load out team maybe hang at foh on your tour this upcoming august 31st?
“Midlife crisis” with Samsung Sam on the case for sure - congrats though on the new console!
😂😂😂
Why the ma3 light and not the compact xt did i missed it or didn't you say it?
I'm a music producer but no idea of lighting whatsoever, where can I start ?
Tryna diy few rgb led tubes, but can't figure out how to control and sync it to music, can anyone help me out ?
Thanks!
Mr. Jackson,
please come back!
are you planning to use MVR within your workflow and MVR exchange protocol?
cargo shorts are amazing... except for TSA *always* stops me whenever I go through security with them on
but other than that 11/10
So cool!