Seems like the head aches and expensive repairs might be starting to wake Roman up to the fact that reliability is a really good thing.I've had enough automobile trouble in my time to be thankful for a vehicle that will start up and get me where I need to go and back.
Ya we all know that roman dont like little quirks and features of vehicles cuz he dont say much , just like he commented on a tacoma that he said “ we dont buy those one”
I think everyone who clicked the video knew the answer before even watching the video. The tundra is a tank and will last forever. Same goes for my 4runner. I drive it all over the country high up into the mountains, miles and miles of nonstop desert, and everything in between. Never had a single issue with my 4runner after all these years
Man, thank Toyota for still having a mechanical parking brake. Those electronic ones are just waiting to break. I mean why try to fix something when it’s already functions perfectly and never going to fail, with something that’s controlled by a computer system rather than just your foot and a cord.
I am young and have already had my bad experiences with American made vehicles. Jeep transmission went out at 30k miles. 70k miles out of a Silverado that had too many repairs to count (wheel bearing, cv axle, transmission overheating just to name a few). Decided to go toyota and 120k miles later extremely happy!
Wise decision. I’ve bought many new domestic trucks but switched to Tundra 13 years ago. Now I’m nearing retirement I think of all the extra $ I’d have if I started out with Toyota. Drive the wheels off your Tundra.
@9:20 - $51K is not a bargain. It's a steal. Drive it for 2 years, 35K miles later, and you can still sell it for $50K. Dealer trades will be $48K. Especially with this being the last model with a V-8, this thing will go up in value much like FJ Cruiser, if not more, in 5-8 years from now. Mark my words.
@Ptguy0618 I would agree if I didn't know better but I've seen 2 year old used SR5 models selling for at or almost the price of a new SR5. I've even seen 1 year old SR5 models priced slightly higher than a brand new one. Sounds absolutely crazy but had I not seen it with my own eyes I wouldn't have believed it.
Thank you TFL!! This is what I wanted to know to settle my uneasiness of the Transmission cooler. Please answer the questions of Do we need them or do we not. If the temps are higher than normal will that wear clutch materiel and other stuff out in the transmission cooler? Please be thorough and put all of our worries to bed or raise the Siren to alert us.
Thoroughly enjoyed the video, felt genuine and unrehearsed. I'm strongly considering a Toyota tundra because they're so refined, reliable and capable all while holding together over many many years.
That was very cool that you passed the 2000 Tundra Access Cab up there! To me, that says it all. It looked factory original and looked to be way comfortable.
Just got our 2021 trd pro! My wife and i used to ski Breck all the time, this is def on our bucket list! As for the "refresh", I dont know, I have owned 4 runners and tacomas since 2009. I drove a 23 Trd pro Tundra, the facelift was nice but I prefer the simplicity and dependability of the ol. Great vid guys, thanks for the great idea!
I loved my double cab. I carry building materials more than passengers. I had the 4.6L I could manage 19-20 on the highway. The only time it felt under powered was pulling a 83, crew cab chevy, 2wd.
Enjoyed the video. One suggestion is if the trans temps get high when towing up the Ike take the transmission fluid to someone “in the know” and see if it lost any of its viscosity. But maybe that will take more time to do that. Just bought a new Tundra so I’m a bit concerned about it.
your vids keep getting better and better been a fan of this channel since day one i just wish you guys did measurements in metric for us outside of USA viewers
Back in the day I had a cobra mustang and an 89 saleen. They were my first vehicles and I LOVED those cars. I blew 2 transmissions in the Saleen and it left me stranded over a dozen times in the 3 years I had it plus the interior fell apart with normal use. I purchased that car used with 40k on the odo. I blew a clutch, rear end and transmission in the Cobra and it left me stranded another 5-10 times in the 8 years I had it but it took me 200k miles. I purchased the cobra with 15k miles. My next car was a 05 TL with 80k miles. I put 100k miles on it in 2 years. No issues. I sold it for an 07 FJ cruiser 4wd and put 100k miles on top of the 100k it came with. No issues. I got a new 2019 Tundra TRD Pro (first new car purchase) and I don’t drive as much but after 20k miles zero issues and Fox shocks make a HUGE difference. Wife had 80k on her Lexus GX and I have 180k in my beater car which is a Honda Civic Si. No issues on either. I love American cars but I trust Japanese vehicles.
By the time I take delivery of my Bronco Sport, Mosquito Pass is going to be fully covered in snow. I'll have to make the trek from SD to CO late spring to see how it'll do. Love seeing these videos!
I certainly appreciate any and all content you guys put out, I always look forward to it. I just can't watch more than a few minutes of the handheld ones without feeling sick, I have to throw them on my save for later list and watch them in the living room 12 ft away from the TV lol.
@@dalephillips8250 No, you can literally build it on the website. Not including taxes and etc but core cost and destination is $43k. Get just the SR and even cheaper!
@@dalephillips8250 Hmmm. They had some TRD packages in the $5k and up range, but they came with all sorts of stuff. Just to get the front skid, front and rear suspension, and front and rear sway bars, you have to go to accesories and option them individually. This was also the standard bed and double cab, not crew max. Basically, the cheapest way to get the TRD stuff that has biggest impact on performance.
Great video. I don't mind the casual videography (did I use that word right? lol). My wife and I test drove 4 different 4 runners and Grand Cherokees last month. We wanted something of that size but still had some off-road capability. We ended up with a 4runner due to its reliability. Is it "old"? Sure. I am old enough don't want to crawl under the car to do repairs.
Good to hear that you had no rattles or squeaks in it so far. By far my biggest complaint about my 17 CrewMax is the dash which has had squeaks creaks and rattles since I got it new. Once the temps get below 50 or so they come alive. Other than that I love the truck. And I’d gladly trade it for a double cab.like i should have bought in the first place.
If you want one of these you'll be paying well-above sticker. The TRD Pro is in such high demand you'll pay 10k more than sticker at any dealership, guaranteed. Worth it, but it's a lot.
I have a 2001 Tundra SR5 that is still solid and has minimal squeaks even in the winter. I bought a 2020 1794 edition because I was afraid of the V8 not being there in future models. I average above 17 mpg with the 5.7.
They had to change the freeon in the AC because of government regulations. This required the AC cooler to be larger and could no longer support a shared transmission cooler like the previous design.
Thanks for a great video, you made my day better. I have a 2017 1794 with TRD OFF ROAD package. I love my Tundra. I do not like the gas milage, but after 100,000 miles, I have the confidence that I will not be in the shop nearly as much as a 150, RAM, or Silverado.I mean, even that Tundra you passed, was a 2000? That owner has some confidence to bring that old truck up there on top of that mountain! I am saving to put on the TRD PRO suspension on it, I have the OFF Road shocks Bilstein and they ride a little too harsh for my taste, like they jump over small imperfections. For all those fellow Tundra owners, If you are thinking of trading in your truck or it is getting a little old, put on the TRD exhaust. I have the Exhaust and it adds another dimension to the truck. Sounds like a 69 Camaro. I also have it KROWNED each year and not a speck of rust, not a speck. I do hope they put crawl control and all that on the new version next year, also a locker should be at least an option from TRD shop. Please can you or anyone answer, how do you feel the TRD pro suspension is in seat of the pants feel compared to the other trims? Thanks again and be safe everyone!
The TRD PRO suspension is nice. It seems to absorb bumps in the road even better as the speed increases. But I've gone over some bumps at very low speed and was surprised that I felt them as much. It never upsets the trucks traction and everything remains planted. I've driven the off road, Sport also and the PRO suspension has both of them beat except on road cornering as the Sport was better at that. Over all the only area that any of the other suspension beat the PRO was on road handling around curves and such.
I had a 2020 Tundra TRD Pro, for a few months. I loved it, but when the pandemic hit, I decided I didn't need my trailer and big truck to tow it (and the associated expenses). I purchased it for sticker, drove it for a few months and a few thousand miles, and then sold it for sticker. I had a 4Runner TRD Pro as well that I had for a year, drove for 20k and sold it for sticker. Gotta love Toyota. Although, two big hits against this are the tires (easily changed I know but totally inappropriate for this vehicle), and the lack of a rear locker has always been just a head scratcher. Makes absolutely no sense. I wish eaton would make a mechanical locker to drop into these...
Lucked out finding a 2021 tundra Trd pro in Feb. 2021 in white, I have had fords, chevys even a dodge Dakota which I loved, but this Tundra is by far my favorite.
Good its a bloody shame people feel the need to deface that info sign. As I get older this bugs me more and more cause I probably appreciate the crap people had to go through to get it up there....take your pics and go home people. God.
Hi. greeting from Ecuador. Here we drive our Toyotas at Quito, the capital, at 2800 meters (9200 ft) and my 1987 Land Cruiser 70 series climbs up to 4600 mts (15000 ft). I think it can climb even more but the road at the Cotopaxi volcano ends at 15000 ft.
Hello from Canada and Viva Ecuador!!! I just checked the Toyota Ecuador web site and noticed your Prado only comes in 4 door. Why do Chile and Colombia get the option of 2 door Prado yet your fine country does not? What is it like to have sunrise at 7AM and sunset at 7PM all year?
@@rightlanehog3151 Here in Ecuador we used to have the 70 series Land Cruisers up to 2016 (or 2015 i dont´remember)in parallel with the land Cruiser Prado series. The 70 series Land Cruisers are used to real outdoor trips and for real 4X4 while the Prado series became more and more the car for rich families that never use the Prado on a rough terrain despite the outstanding 4wd capabilities. Right now, if you want a hard working outdoor car, you use the 4WD Toyota Hilux. And about sunrise an sunset, well it´s like an eternal spring/summer season. Nobody gets depressed for facing a hard winter weather. wather it´s one of the best things of living here in Ecuador.
Yes! Thank you TFL for doing this trans cooler test. I have my 2020 Tundra and have been worried this is an issue. Can't wait to see that video when it comes out. This will go a long way in being able to trust what a manufacturer "claims".
Unfortunately what you will see will be pointless. How do you know how tolerant the new transmission fluid is of elevated temperature? You are basing your opinion off of fluid technology that dates back to the 1950s.
Higher temps usually cause components to wear faster. Not trying to act like an engineer, just seems like common sense. If temps are actually pretty high, then I know the transmission may not be as reliable long term.
I have a scan gauge in my tundra. It mounts nicely right on the far left top of dash speaker grill. The wire can be routed right up along the weather stripping and it sits nicely on that speaker grill.
Michelin makes very good tires..most off road people buy new wheels and tires. I have a 2019 Toyota TRD Sport.. I run nothing but high octane in mine sometimes no ethanol gas. Thanks for sharing your videos. Great content.
I noticed you used a cellphone to film this. It is absolutely pristine quality and I am curious what phone that was. That wide angle lens really gives depth perception
@@mikek5298 says: I make crazy assumptions about people I don't know and it makes me look foolish. Also, I like drum brakes because Toyota tells me that I should.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix I'm aware, drum brakes are better than no brakes but disc brakes are better than drum brakes. I've rock crawled with a '47 CJ-2a (4-wheel drums), I've own a '67 Mustang with 4-wheel drums and a '68 Cougar with factory front discs, and various other vehicles over the years with discs and drums. Drum brakes are awful in comparison and in many ways. Drums get wet from going through water? Have fun stopping shortly thereafter. Have to replace the shoes? Enjoy getting the retainers and release springs off and back on. Not self-adjusting? Have fun, don't get it too wrong or you won't be stopping in a straight line if you have to do emergency braking. Had an RV with air brakes and drums, brake fade was real coming down grades without an exhaust brake. The only advantage to drums is cost. They're relatively cheap compared to a disc brake setup. Drums may be "good enough" for many people and situations but they are not as good as or better than discs. Toyota is being cheap and trying to spin using drums on the Taco as something positive. It's nonsense. :)
@@dieseldrax definitely inferior to disc, but in the rear they're not that bad because the front brakes do most of the work when stopping, so for the average driver they're more than adequate. People like, us not so much lol.
I'm by no means a Toyota fanboy, but I would absolutely take the smaller screen in trade for having actual knobs for the HVAC system. I hate touch-screen and push-button HVC, let me reach over and spin a knob to where I want it without even taking my eyes off the road. My first experience with newer HVAC systems was on a '14 Ram 1500 and that was one of the biggest negatives to the whole vehicle, in my opinion. When I bought my '20 Impreza I wanted it because it had a manual transmission and regular HVAC controls. Don't "fix" something that isn't broken!
The tires this Tundra has are better than what they seem, I have tested them in off road park and they did great, also the Tundras TRD Pro traction management works great
@@Chumbucketsecret thanks Brandon. I’ll be sure to take some haggling classes. But in meantime I wish Toyota would give us at least an Option for AT tires.
Thanks for monitoring the trans temps. I have a 2020 and will be looking forward to the review on the different fluid they are using. Love watching the reviews on cars/ trucks. Sucks that the tesla is giving you guys problems.
Great video guys! I am also anxiously waiting for the Tundra towing video with transmission temperatures! To replace my 4Runner, I'm trying to decide between a 2018 (the last year with external cooler), a new 2021, or waiting for the next gen 2022? Tundra. Reliability is my top criteria, by far, and while I trust Toyota engineers, I've seen a lot of FUD about this issue with the trans cooler. Keep up the great work!
*FOR REFERENCE on your IKE CLIMB*! I use a ScanGauge to monitor trans temps on my 2010 Sequoia with the same 5.7L. I tow a 31' Airstream travel trailer that weighs about 7,500lbs. I have run some really steep climbs in VA., N.C., W.V., PA., and N.Y. I am usually at about 200* cruising flat. I have hit 215* on steep climbs on hot days. I am interested to see what the Tundra does with the newer transmission cooler setup.
loving my 2015 Tundra crewmax. 84,000 miles and lots of towing with no problems. I took the Michelin tires off and put the Bfgoodrich ko2’s on. I feel I made a mistake because mpg dropped and the noise went up and they definitely don’t like the wet roads. Maybe I should go back to the Michelin.
Other concern...can the hardware in the transmission handle higher heat if it happens? Nobody knows for sure until a few years and towing has been achieved.
Great idea on testing the trans temp up the Ike. If it gets hot take it somewhere and see if it had any negative effects on their so called special Trans fluid. I hope it’s not a problem just bought a new Tundra.
@@mikefoehr235 That is the question that I want answered Mike as I've heard self identified Transmission experts say while the fluid can handle it there is clutch materiel inside the transmission that will wear quicker with temps over 235-250 degrees. I must know as I have a 2020.
@@dalephillips8250 I have a 2020 as well. Dealer told me my truck has tranny cooler...ALL CANADIAN Tundras do....so they were wrong. They showed me a cooler....was the PS cooler.
My 2010 Tundra Base (or Grade, lowest trim level) Dbl Cab 4x4 has ATRAC. I believe all Toyota 4x4 models have it because ATRAC is the traction control system. Putting the truck in 4hi or 4lo I believe changes the parameters some, but I would have to check the owners manual again to be sure. Pressing the "Auto LSD" button in 2wd makes the traction control (ATRAC) more aggressive in a good way, especially in the wet. I'm certain someone will jump on here and say that I don't know what I'm talking about. I bought my truck in fall on 2014 with 92k miles on it. Here in the fall of 2020 it has 140k miles on it. I daily commuted in it for a couple years in all weather, including snow. I've towed with it a lot with the largest thing being a 36'6" (hitch to bumper) 8k lbs. camper. I've perused the owners manual multiple times. Being the first Toyota I've owned I've looked into a lot of things about the Tundra.
Why? What will you learn? Toyota says the fluid is engineered to accommodate higher operating temperature. So what if the temperature reaches 300 degrees? You have no idea what the fluid properties are, and are basing you opinion on fluids that were designed in the 1950s.
@@mikek5298 I know the fluids can handle it but a self proclaimed transmission man on here says that the clutch material and other stuff inside the Transmission would wear much quicker with those higher temperatures. This is what I want to know so I hope that they will address the longevity of transmission components with higher heat.
I have a 2017 Tacoma TRD off road and my brother has a 2017 Tundra TRD off road and we are yet to find stuff the Tacoma can do and the Tundra can’t. Whenever I use the crawl control it is mostly for fun and almost never needed. And a few times when I have needed to use my rear locker to get up an obstacle, the Tundra went right up.
This is what I noticed in a youtube video that did a direct comparison between the Tacoma and the Tundra on the exact same terrains. Only if the trail is narrow will the Tundra be prevented from going through.
Love to see you get the designed Tundra and then redesigned Tacoma when they come out. Then do the Tundra as an over lander and the Tacoma as a rock crawler/over land build. I suspect those will be highly rated videos. Turn they key and drive 300K miles has value. They just need to upgrade engines, mpg and transmissions.
Traded my 15 ram bighorn in for a SR5 crewmax tundra in cement Not having the transmission cooler is a disappointment because it lists it on the sticker. Look forward to Andre's test.
@@mikefoehr235 just put it in 4 Lo. It's automatic. If u are in 2wd you can turn traction control off and it will turn limited slip diff on in the back
I knew the truck was solid. I tuned in for the puking. :-) Also, would be curious how comparable smaller SUVs (Mazda 5, Trailblazer, Sante Fe, Rogue do up the Ike w/o towing (maybe 100lbs weight in trunk).
Just a thought on Toyota’s tire choice. If they would have chosen a more off road tire, the fuel mileage would be even worse. Those Michelin ATs are known fore being fuel efficient. I have a 2006 Sierra 2500 HD with the gas 6.0 with those tires and get 15 to 18 mpg on the hwy.
I have 2019 crew max , excellent truck but very disappointed after I came to know that Toyota quietly removed the Transmission cooler in order to save few bucks. Will be thinking about this when it's time to buy next truck.
The day I need NASA class interior tech in my daily driven Tundra, I'll have my common sense slap me back to reality. Reliability over unnecessary extras all day.
I want to buy a Tundra and not a 2121 v6 the only thing is that I know I will have to do the ext trans oil mod as I want to tow. Your test was done in cold weather and Trans Temps were acceptable do it in the summer with heat and other you tube reflected unacceptable temps
It's different for everyone but usually you get used to it after a couple of days. I live in MA basically at sea level. When I was in the San Juan mountains I needed 2-3 days to adjust to the elevation. But even after that you have to take it easy or you run out of breath really quickly.
Love the Tundra but it desperately needs a refresh.
i think it needs a new/more efficient engine, and a new interior
@@carholic-sz3qv Rumours are its coming...like Ford Ecoboost. Twin turbo V6. I am no turbo fan myself.
@@mikefoehr235 they might use the twin turbo 3.5l v6 from the lexus ls500, its a good engine
I'd still buy it lol
Tundra is going to be graduating high school before it gets a refresh lol
Seems like the head aches and expensive repairs might be starting to wake Roman up to the fact that reliability is a really good thing.I've had enough automobile trouble in my time to be thankful for a vehicle that will start up and get me where I need to go and back.
Ya we all know that roman dont like little quirks and features of vehicles cuz he dont say much , just like he commented on a tacoma that he said “ we dont buy those one”
I definitely don’t mind the “lower production” videos guys. Everyone needs a little break sometimes. Nice content as always 👍🏾
2021 Tundra meets 2000 Tundra at 13,000 ft. mountain top. Need I say more?
Exactly the comment I made this morning when the video made its debut.
I can guarantee that bulletproof 2000 tundra will continue kicking for many more years to come
And look, they have the same interior!
I dont know why this is a video... I drove my 2003 Corolla to over 14,000 feet in Colorado
@@Jonh741 if it ain't broke. Don't fix it 😂
Well it certainly did better than the dEfEnDeR
Almost everything is better than that defender buddy, that thing is a joke.
Truth hurts 😂
ouch
My clapped out huffy 10spd could do it more reliably than that defender.
@@pryme2013 way, way more. That old Huffy is probably a tank
reliability is the most important thing. Without that what's the point?
Resale value
Good thing toyota has both haha
Exactly!
Yep
Most trucks are reliable and have great resale value. Just check KBB projections.
I think everyone who clicked the video knew the answer before even watching the video. The tundra is a tank and will last forever. Same goes for my 4runner. I drive it all over the country high up into the mountains, miles and miles of nonstop desert, and everything in between. Never had a single issue with my 4runner after all these years
Man, thank Toyota for still having a mechanical parking brake. Those electronic ones are just waiting to break. I mean why try to fix something when it’s already functions perfectly and never going to fail, with something that’s controlled by a computer system rather than just your foot and a cord.
I am young and have already had my bad experiences with American made vehicles. Jeep transmission went out at 30k miles. 70k miles out of a Silverado that had too many repairs to count (wheel bearing, cv axle, transmission overheating just to name a few). Decided to go toyota and 120k miles later extremely happy!
Wise decision. I’ve bought many new domestic trucks but switched to Tundra 13 years ago. Now I’m nearing retirement I think of all the extra $ I’d have if I started out with Toyota. Drive the wheels off your Tundra.
@9:20 - $51K is not a bargain. It's a steal.
Drive it for 2 years, 35K miles later, and you can still sell it for $50K. Dealer trades will be $48K.
Especially with this being the last model with a V-8, this thing will go up in value much like FJ Cruiser, if not more, in 5-8 years from now. Mark my words.
thats what I think
@Ptguy0618 You know this how? Have you checked KBB.com and put in a 2019 Tundra TRD Pro with 35K miles?
Well? Have you?!
@Ptguy0618 1). People who buy Toyotas do so to keep long-term. 2). Only sell to dealers if desperate. Who sells their vehicles to dealers?!
@Ptguy0618 I would agree if I didn't know better but I've seen 2 year old used SR5 models selling for at or almost the price of a new SR5. I've even seen 1 year old SR5 models priced slightly higher than a brand new one. Sounds absolutely crazy but had I not seen it with my own eyes I wouldn't have believed it.
The Tundra has always on ATRAC similar to the Land Cruiser. Put it in 4x4 and it's on.
You gotta love Toyota's reliability
There have been 3 non-scheduled repairs in 15 years with my Toyota built vehicle.
@@rightlanehog3151 my buddys tacoma is runnin up on 500k miles and he hasnt changed anything yet. But he follows maintenece to a T
My 2020 TRD OFF ROAD has over 3000 kms now and not even one problem yet. Towing with the Tundra is so relaxing. Truck has gobs of power.
@@mikefoehr235 its still brand new so you shouldn't even be expecting a problem to come up
@@Saud-mt4wi Well...how about TFLs Rover....Tesla....all brand new and.....
You should leave - TLF TESTED stickers on the trucks you test. That way we can show up at the dealership with the video and knock down that 51k to 46k
Nice father and son video, no drama. The wind is no problem just appreciate you taking the time to do a short video.
These one take no editing videos are pretty good. Feel free to make more of these. Its fast and easy to follow
Thank you TFL!! This is what I wanted to know to settle my uneasiness of the Transmission cooler. Please answer the questions of Do we need them or do we not. If the temps are higher than normal will that wear clutch materiel and other stuff out in the transmission cooler? Please be thorough and put all of our worries to bed or raise the Siren to alert us.
2012 Tundra w TRD Exhaust & BFG KO2 tires. The truck is beast and tow 5,000 lbs trailer 600+ miles. No problem ever
Toyota Tundra is the best truck om this planet best wishes from Polska I have 2012 Tundra and I love it
A 00' Tundra more reliable than a 21' Defender with 167 miles 😂
I never understood why Toyota doesn't add all the cool stuff of the Tacoma to the tundra
Just bought one today, it’s all the same thing but it’s a Crew Max. Really expensive but I love it!!!!.
Thoroughly enjoyed the video, felt genuine and unrehearsed. I'm strongly considering a Toyota tundra because they're so refined, reliable and capable all while holding together over many many years.
That was very cool that you passed the 2000 Tundra Access Cab up there! To me, that says it all. It looked factory original and looked to be way comfortable.
Just got our 2021 trd pro! My wife and i used to ski Breck all the time, this is def on our bucket list! As for the "refresh", I dont know, I have owned 4 runners and tacomas since 2009. I drove a 23 Trd pro Tundra, the facelift was nice but I prefer the simplicity and dependability of the ol. Great vid guys, thanks for the great idea!
Love that area! I really like the Tundra but in my opinion the best exhaust note has to be the Titan. Keep up the great work guys.
I can’t believe how your videos fit my liking so much😂
I loved my double cab. I carry building materials more than passengers. I had the 4.6L I could manage 19-20 on the highway. The only time it felt under powered was pulling a 83, crew cab chevy, 2wd.
Enjoyed the video. One suggestion is if the trans temps get high when towing up the Ike take the transmission fluid to someone “in the know” and see if it lost any of its viscosity. But maybe that will take more time to do that. Just bought a new Tundra so I’m a bit concerned about it.
Someone has already done that with the fluid and it is fine. I'm just worried about long term effects on trans components.
Some of those switch backs are no joke. Even my 2019 Taco on 285's made me pucker. Awesome job in. Full size truck
Had those tires on a Tacoma and Silverado. Outside of this mud they never left me wanting off road and were awesome on road in all conditions.
I'll take Michelins any day.
your vids keep getting better and better been a fan of this channel since day one i just wish you guys did measurements in metric for us outside of USA viewers
13 000 feet is about 4100 metres.
13000 feet is 3962,4m arcording to google
Back in the day I had a cobra mustang and an 89 saleen. They were my first vehicles and I LOVED those cars. I blew 2 transmissions in the Saleen and it left me stranded over a dozen times in the 3 years I had it plus the interior fell apart with normal use. I purchased that car used with 40k on the odo. I blew a clutch, rear end and transmission in the Cobra and it left me stranded another 5-10 times in the 8 years I had it but it took me 200k miles. I purchased the cobra with 15k miles. My next car was a 05 TL with 80k miles. I put 100k miles on it in 2 years. No issues. I sold it for an 07 FJ cruiser 4wd and put 100k miles on top of the 100k it came with. No issues. I got a new 2019 Tundra TRD Pro (first new car purchase) and I don’t drive as much but after 20k miles zero issues and Fox shocks make a HUGE difference. Wife had 80k on her Lexus GX and I have 180k in my beater car which is a Honda Civic Si. No issues on either. I love American cars but I trust Japanese vehicles.
By the time I take delivery of my Bronco Sport, Mosquito Pass is going to be fully covered in snow. I'll have to make the trek from SD to CO late spring to see how it'll do. Love seeing these videos!
I certainly appreciate any and all content you guys put out, I always look forward to it. I just can't watch more than a few minutes of the handheld ones without feeling sick, I have to throw them on my save for later list and watch them in the living room 12 ft away from the TV lol.
We drove to 18,660FT in our old Land Cruiser. Didn't skip a beat.
Get the SR5 4WD and SR5 Upgrade with Options. Add the TRD Skid plates, suspension, and sway bars as options. You're out the door for less than $43k!
You are incorrect ....no way will you be out less than 43K.
@@dalephillips8250 No, you can literally build it on the website. Not including taxes and etc but core cost and destination is $43k. Get just the SR and even cheaper!
@@zachc1297 OK ...but the fox shocks option was 10K when I looked at it before....You would have to install it yourself.
@@dalephillips8250 Hmmm. They had some TRD packages in the $5k and up range, but they came with all sorts of stuff. Just to get the front skid, front and rear suspension, and front and rear sway bars, you have to go to accesories and option them individually. This was also the standard bed and double cab, not crew max. Basically, the cheapest way to get the TRD stuff that has biggest impact on performance.
I am getting this exact build. Should arrive in about a week! $43,500
Great video. I don't mind the casual videography (did I use that word right? lol).
My wife and I test drove 4 different 4 runners and Grand Cherokees last month. We wanted something of that size but still had some off-road capability. We ended up with a 4runner due to its reliability. Is it "old"? Sure.
I am old enough don't want to crawl under the car to do repairs.
Good to hear that you had no rattles or squeaks in it so far. By far my biggest complaint about my 17 CrewMax is the dash which has had squeaks creaks and rattles since I got it new. Once the temps get below 50 or so they come alive. Other than that I love the truck. And I’d gladly trade it for a double cab.like i should have bought in the first place.
If you want one of these you'll be paying well-above sticker. The TRD Pro is in such high demand you'll pay 10k more than sticker at any dealership, guaranteed. Worth it, but it's a lot.
Thats a color you dont see everyday and may never see again. I realy like it
I have a 2001 Tundra SR5 that is still solid and has minimal squeaks even in the winter. I bought a 2020 1794 edition because I was afraid of the V8 not being there in future models. I average above 17 mpg with the 5.7.
Stock up on V8s now and we won't regret later.
Still not sure why you would discontinue the transmission cooler, why rely on better fluid alone? Seems counter productive to me
Money and money only
They had to change the freeon in the AC because of government regulations. This required the AC cooler to be larger and could no longer support a shared transmission cooler like the previous design.
Thanks for a great video, you made my day better. I have a 2017 1794 with TRD OFF ROAD package. I love my Tundra. I do not like the gas milage, but after 100,000 miles, I have the confidence that I will not be in the shop nearly as much as a 150, RAM, or Silverado.I mean, even that Tundra you passed, was a 2000? That owner has some confidence to bring that old truck up there on top of that mountain!
I am saving to put on the TRD PRO suspension on it, I have the OFF Road shocks Bilstein and they ride a little too harsh for my taste, like they jump over small imperfections. For all those fellow Tundra owners, If you are thinking of trading in your truck or it is getting a little old, put on the TRD exhaust. I have the Exhaust and it adds another dimension to the truck. Sounds like a 69 Camaro. I also have it KROWNED each year and not a speck of rust, not a speck.
I do hope they put crawl control and all that on the new version next year, also a locker should be at least an option from TRD shop.
Please can you or anyone answer, how do you feel the TRD pro suspension is in seat of the pants feel compared to the other trims?
Thanks again and be safe everyone!
The TRD PRO suspension is nice. It seems to absorb bumps in the road even better as the speed increases. But I've gone over some bumps at very low speed and was surprised that I felt them as much. It never upsets the trucks traction and everything remains planted. I've driven the off road, Sport also and the PRO suspension has both of them beat except on road cornering as the Sport was better at that. Over all the only area that any of the other suspension beat the PRO was on road handling around curves and such.
Krown takes the crown.
I had a 2020 Tundra TRD Pro, for a few months. I loved it, but when the pandemic hit, I decided I didn't need my trailer and big truck to tow it (and the associated expenses). I purchased it for sticker, drove it for a few months and a few thousand miles, and then sold it for sticker. I had a 4Runner TRD Pro as well that I had for a year, drove for 20k and sold it for sticker. Gotta love Toyota. Although, two big hits against this are the tires (easily changed I know but totally inappropriate for this vehicle), and the lack of a rear locker has always been just a head scratcher. Makes absolutely no sense. I wish eaton would make a mechanical locker to drop into these...
Lucked out finding a 2021 tundra Trd pro in Feb. 2021 in white, I have had fords, chevys even a dodge Dakota which I loved, but this Tundra is by far my favorite.
Tundras have a-track that’s how the limited slip diff works
AWESOME. 1 badass truck on planet Earth.
Thanks for all of your hardwork, boys. We love you.
New "old" Tundra climbing these altitudes while a cutting edge Land Rover defender can barely venture away from the dealership...
Good its a bloody shame people feel the need to deface that info sign. As I get older this bugs me more and more cause I probably appreciate the crap people had to go through to get it up there....take your pics and go home people. God.
Hi. greeting from Ecuador. Here we drive our Toyotas at Quito, the capital, at 2800 meters (9200 ft) and my 1987 Land Cruiser 70 series climbs up to 4600 mts (15000 ft). I think it can climb even more but the road at the Cotopaxi volcano ends at 15000 ft.
Hello from Canada and Viva Ecuador!!! I just checked the Toyota Ecuador web site and noticed your Prado only comes in 4 door. Why do Chile and Colombia get the option of 2 door Prado yet your fine country does not? What is it like to have sunrise at 7AM and sunset at 7PM all year?
@@rightlanehog3151 Here in Ecuador we used to have the 70 series Land Cruisers up to 2016 (or 2015 i dont´remember)in parallel with the land Cruiser Prado series. The 70 series Land Cruisers are used to real outdoor trips and for real 4X4 while the Prado series became more and more the car for rich families that never use the Prado on a rough terrain despite the outstanding 4wd capabilities. Right now, if you want a hard working outdoor car, you use the 4WD Toyota Hilux.
And about sunrise an sunset, well it´s like an eternal spring/summer season. Nobody gets depressed for facing a hard winter weather. wather it´s one of the best things of living here in Ecuador.
@@gmultimedio :-)
Yes! Thank you TFL for doing this trans cooler test. I have my 2020 Tundra and have been worried this is an issue. Can't wait to see that video when it comes out. This will go a long way in being able to trust what a manufacturer "claims".
Unfortunately what you will see will be pointless. How do you know how tolerant the new transmission fluid is of elevated temperature? You are basing your opinion off of fluid technology that dates back to the 1950s.
Higher temps usually cause components to wear faster. Not trying to act like an engineer, just seems like common sense. If temps are actually pretty high, then I know the transmission may not be as reliable long term.
I have a scan gauge in my tundra. It mounts nicely right on the far left top of dash speaker grill. The wire can be routed right up along the weather stripping and it sits nicely on that speaker grill.
Michelin makes very good tires..most off road people buy new wheels and tires. I have a 2019 Toyota TRD Sport.. I run nothing but high octane in mine sometimes no ethanol gas. Thanks for sharing your videos. Great content.
Wow was wondering lately if there’s a Lunar Rock Tundra Double Cab n here comes TFL with a video. Thanks guys.
I like theses types of videos, their down to earth and honest.. keep up the good work...
Take the 4Runner up some passes! Great content guys 👍 #TFL4Runner
It may be a little old but it is a darn good truck. Maybe I am old fashioned, but I don't really care about MPG if I am buying / driving and truck.
I noticed you used a cellphone to film this. It is absolutely pristine quality and I am curious what phone that was. That wide angle lens really gives depth perception
Love this truck. I want one.
Toyota: We don't need a transmission cooler with this great fluid!
Also Toyota: We don't put rear disc brakes on the Tacoma because drums are better!
Hogan W says: I know more than a company that has been building cars for 60 years even though I have zero education in engineering”.
@@mikek5298 says: I make crazy assumptions about people I don't know and it makes me look foolish. Also, I like drum brakes because Toyota tells me that I should.
@@dieseldrax 18 wheelers have drum brakes, they can't be too bad, at least on the rear. I wouldn't want them on the front though.
@@Jackmerius_Tacktheretrix I'm aware, drum brakes are better than no brakes but disc brakes are better than drum brakes. I've rock crawled with a '47 CJ-2a (4-wheel drums), I've own a '67 Mustang with 4-wheel drums and a '68 Cougar with factory front discs, and various other vehicles over the years with discs and drums. Drum brakes are awful in comparison and in many ways. Drums get wet from going through water? Have fun stopping shortly thereafter. Have to replace the shoes? Enjoy getting the retainers and release springs off and back on. Not self-adjusting? Have fun, don't get it too wrong or you won't be stopping in a straight line if you have to do emergency braking. Had an RV with air brakes and drums, brake fade was real coming down grades without an exhaust brake. The only advantage to drums is cost. They're relatively cheap compared to a disc brake setup. Drums may be "good enough" for many people and situations but they are not as good as or better than discs. Toyota is being cheap and trying to spin using drums on the Taco as something positive. It's nonsense. :)
@@dieseldrax definitely inferior to disc, but in the rear they're not that bad because the front brakes do most of the work when stopping, so for the average driver they're more than adequate. People like, us not so much lol.
I'm by no means a Toyota fanboy, but I would absolutely take the smaller screen in trade for having actual knobs for the HVAC system. I hate touch-screen and push-button HVC, let me reach over and spin a knob to where I want it without even taking my eyes off the road. My first experience with newer HVAC systems was on a '14 Ram 1500 and that was one of the biggest negatives to the whole vehicle, in my opinion. When I bought my '20 Impreza I wanted it because it had a manual transmission and regular HVAC controls. Don't "fix" something that isn't broken!
The tires this Tundra has are better than what they seem, I have tested them in off road park and they did great, also the Tundras TRD Pro traction management works great
So disappointing Toyota doesn’t give their TRD Pro trucks a proper AT tire. All in the name of MPG.
I dont know about you but when buying something this expensive it’s pretty easy to haggle a 1800$ set of tires. Learn to haggle.
@@Chumbucketsecret thanks Brandon. I’ll be sure to take some haggling classes. But in meantime I wish Toyota would give us at least an Option for AT tires.
But when you do switch for some beefy AT it looks badass.
@@as10076 agreed with you brother. It really takes the look to a new level.
Yes, but all of us are so opinionated about the right type of tire, Toyota knows we'll replace whatever they put on there.
An actual driving video! And Roman is in the video, nice. These spec paper reading videos are getting annoying
Amazing how quick you guys got a hold of the 2021. Love it!
Thanks for monitoring the trans temps. I have a 2020 and will be looking forward to the review on the different fluid they are using. Love watching the reviews on cars/ trucks. Sucks that the tesla is giving you guys problems.
I had that exact 2000 Tundra! I sold it to my brother and bought an 07.
Great video guys! I am also anxiously waiting for the Tundra towing video with transmission temperatures! To replace my 4Runner, I'm trying to decide between a 2018 (the last year with external cooler), a new 2021, or waiting for the next gen 2022? Tundra. Reliability is my top criteria, by far, and while I trust Toyota engineers, I've seen a lot of FUD about this issue with the trans cooler. Keep up the great work!
*FOR REFERENCE on your IKE CLIMB*! I use a ScanGauge to monitor trans temps on my 2010 Sequoia with the same 5.7L. I tow a 31' Airstream travel trailer that weighs about 7,500lbs. I have run some really steep climbs in VA., N.C., W.V., PA., and N.Y. I am usually at about 200* cruising flat. I have hit 215* on steep climbs on hot days. I am interested to see what the Tundra does with the newer transmission cooler setup.
loving my 2015 Tundra crewmax. 84,000 miles and lots of towing with no problems. I took the Michelin tires off and put the Bfgoodrich ko2’s on. I feel I made a mistake because mpg dropped and the noise went up and they definitely don’t like the wet roads. Maybe I should go back to the Michelin.
Atrac is automatically activated in four Lo
Can't complain about my 5.7 tundra, 20 mpg on highway and 16 mpg city
Toyota dependability is hard to beat. My 21 year old Land Cruiser is still as quiet and comfortable as the day it rolled off the dealer lot.
Exactly, they last twice as long as any other brand so the price premium up front is completely justified over the long term.
2019 Toyota dropped the transmission cooler. People have seen higher temps but black stone labs tested their fluid and it was perfectly fine.
I was concerned about that with mine but my mechanic nephew says should not be a problem. We will see. Glad i have extra warranty.
Other concern...can the hardware in the transmission handle higher heat if it happens? Nobody knows for sure until a few years and towing has been achieved.
Great idea on testing the trans temp up the Ike. If it gets hot take it somewhere and see if it had any negative effects on their so called special Trans fluid. I hope it’s not a problem just bought a new Tundra.
@@mikefoehr235 That is the question that I want answered Mike as I've heard self identified Transmission experts say while the fluid can handle it there is clutch materiel inside the transmission that will wear quicker with temps over 235-250 degrees. I must know as I have a 2020.
@@dalephillips8250 I have a 2020 as well. Dealer told me my truck has tranny cooler...ALL CANADIAN Tundras do....so they were wrong. They showed me a cooler....was the PS cooler.
Oh if I could only buy that today for $51,000 😂😂😂
My 2010 Tundra Base (or Grade, lowest trim level) Dbl Cab 4x4 has ATRAC. I believe all Toyota 4x4 models have it because ATRAC is the traction control system. Putting the truck in 4hi or 4lo I believe changes the parameters some, but I would have to check the owners manual again to be sure. Pressing the "Auto LSD" button in 2wd makes the traction control (ATRAC) more aggressive in a good way, especially in the wet. I'm certain someone will jump on here and say that I don't know what I'm talking about. I bought my truck in fall on 2014 with 92k miles on it. Here in the fall of 2020 it has 140k miles on it. I daily commuted in it for a couple years in all weather, including snow. I've towed with it a lot with the largest thing being a 36'6" (hitch to bumper) 8k lbs. camper. I've perused the owners manual multiple times. Being the first Toyota I've owned I've looked into a lot of things about the Tundra.
I’d definitely buy a Tundra if I needed a full size truck. V8, reliability, and.....cheaper???
Cheaper ????? The fk you talking about
I am really interested to see the trans temp up the IKE
Why? What will you learn? Toyota says the fluid is engineered to accommodate higher operating temperature. So what if the temperature reaches 300 degrees? You have no idea what the fluid properties are, and are basing you opinion on fluids that were designed in the 1950s.
@@mikek5298 I know the fluids can handle it but a self proclaimed transmission man on here says that the clutch material and other stuff inside the Transmission would wear much quicker with those higher temperatures. This is what I want to know so I hope that they will address the longevity of transmission components with higher heat.
@@dalephillips8250 Crisco doesn't burn but the potatoes do. being a cook i suspect that's what happens to friction material.
no engine light on.must be quality
look, it has cupholders. Thanks for the review. I was wondering where to put a cup.
Love my 20 Trd Pro Tundra!! To bad the 21 is the last year for the v8 models 😔
I pick up mine tomorrow..
Mike Kubassek congrats man!! Your going to love it!!
I have a 2017 Tacoma TRD off road and my brother has a 2017 Tundra TRD off road and we are yet to find stuff the Tacoma can do and the Tundra can’t. Whenever I use the crawl control it is mostly for fun and almost never needed. And a few times when I have needed to use my rear locker to get up an obstacle, the Tundra went right up.
This is what I noticed in a youtube video that did a direct comparison between the Tacoma and the Tundra on the exact same terrains. Only if the trail is narrow will the Tundra be prevented from going through.
tacoma can rock crawl. the tundra cant. try taking them to the rubicon and see what happens.
@@jordanyang3066 Tundra's Rock Crawl also at Rubicon ruclips.net/video/774pd7-Id3w/видео.html
This is the correct answer. No locker and yet the Tundra gets it done. ATRAC works great.
Love my 15 just maintenance
The important thing is that they love you back.
Love to see you get the designed Tundra and then redesigned Tacoma when they come out. Then do the Tundra as an over lander and the Tacoma as a rock crawler/over land build. I suspect those will be highly rated videos. Turn they key and drive 300K miles has value. They just need to upgrade engines, mpg and transmissions.
The gas I put in my 5.7 Tundra is FAR cheaper than a Detroit-built repair bill. Been there, done that...
TRD “pro” no locker and pavement tires?
Traded my 15 ram bighorn in for a SR5 crewmax tundra in cement
Not having the transmission cooler is a disappointment because it lists it on the sticker. Look forward to Andre's test.
Better buy tundra now before v8 iforce changed.
That V8 fuel mileage should be a crime though
ATRAC is automatically engaged in 4Lo
I have a 2020 TRD OFF ROAD...does my truck have ATRAC and how exactly does it work?
Press and hold traction control button to enhance auto LSD
@@mikefoehr235 just put it in 4 Lo. It's automatic. If u are in 2wd you can turn traction control off and it will turn limited slip diff on in the back
@@gs98999 FYI. That's only in 2wd. Once it's in 4 Lo ATRAC turns on automaticly
@@jenniferspencer3095 Thanks for the info but what does ATRAC do exactly?
I knew the truck was solid. I tuned in for the puking. :-) Also, would be curious how comparable smaller SUVs (Mazda 5, Trailblazer, Sante Fe, Rogue do up the Ike w/o towing (maybe 100lbs weight in trunk).
Just a thought on Toyota’s tire choice. If they would have chosen a more off road tire, the fuel mileage would be even worse. Those Michelin ATs are known fore being fuel efficient. I have a 2006 Sierra 2500 HD with the gas 6.0 with those tires and get 15 to 18 mpg on the hwy.
I'm surprised to see it a TRD PRO double cab... Nice
I have 2019 crew max , excellent truck but very disappointed after I came to know that Toyota quietly removed the Transmission cooler in order to save few bucks. Will be thinking about this when it's time to buy next truck.
The day I need NASA class interior tech in my daily driven Tundra, I'll have my common sense slap me back to reality. Reliability over unnecessary extras all day.
I did Mosquito pass on my old xr650l. That was a fun ride.
Do they keep the all-seasons on it for the MPG rating? It'd be even worse if they put all-terrains on it.
I think that is the reason.
I want to buy a Tundra and not a 2121 v6 the only thing is that I know I will have to do the ext trans oil mod as I want to tow.
Your test was done in cold weather and Trans Temps were acceptable do it in the summer with heat and other you tube reflected unacceptable temps
Can't wait for the new Tundra.
How do you guys cope with those elevations? That’s some mountaineering you’re doing, not even a joke!
It's different for everyone but usually you get used to it after a couple of days. I live in MA basically at sea level. When I was in the San Juan mountains I needed 2-3 days to adjust to the elevation. But even after that you have to take it easy or you run out of breath really quickly.