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ISAIAH 26:3-4
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those whose minds are steadfast,
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4 Trust in the Lord forever,
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Maddie was drug addicted to laudanum which was Opium mixed with alcohol, and was sold over-the-counter back then. In real life Wyett tried to get her to quit but she refused and died so check that judgment gurl!
This is based on true life, so it's more messy than a typical Hollywood story line. Here's one tube on the actual history and how true this movie was: ruclips.net/video/QvvNRx0riOE/видео.html
Why would you insist Wyatt stay in a loveless relationship with a drug addict who refuses help? He was always looking out for his brothers and their wives. He lived a tough life and it was their turn to finally settle down and find some happiness. To start a new family. Both he and Virgil were trying to do what’s best, yet you paint Wyatt out to be a scoundrel even after seeing the price Morgan paid. Of course you’re entitled to your view. Just hope to give a different perspective. Maybe consider cutting Wyatt and his Mustache some slack ;)
I think your reaction is the most intelligent I've seen of this film. You're conflicted because the people were real historical people, with good and bad aspects. Just like you and me.
Of all the film treatments of the Tombstone story, this is the most historically accurate. Lots of dialogue was taken directly from newspaper accounts of the events, and memoirs of various people. All of the wives were former prostitutes, but when they married the Earps they "went straight." Maddie and Wyatt were never married, nor were Doc and Kate. Wyatt and Josie spent the early decades of the 20th century in Los Angeles. Josie developed a gambling addition that took all her money; she pawned everything Wyatt ever gave her . . . a very sad story, but it's true that they were completely dedicated to each other. Johnny Ringo's death is a mystery, but it was probably suicide. At the time of his death, Doc Holiday was already hospitalized in Colorado. Sorry for the lecture! 🙃
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Please do the Kevin Costner movie Wyatt Earp it covers a lot more of his early life and I believe you will like that portrayal a lot more.
It's a true story. Tombstone is a small town in AZ, and Ike did get away. I think you got Wyatt wrong. He had been a lawman before, but all it led to was a rough life and ugliness. He wanted a better future for his brothers, and that's why he was disappointed in their decision to become lawmen. He thought it was madness. Wyatt could see where it was going to lead, to their deaths, but they lacked the experience to understand what was about to unfold. As for Maddy, though they were living together, she and Wyatt never wed. She was a prostitute hooked on opium. My impression is that Wyatt was trying to save her, but he couldn't. As noted in the film, after the events of this movie, Maddy returned to prostitution in AZ and died of a drug overdose.
Also, did you recognize Johnny Ringo? That was the actor who played Kyle Reese in "The Terminator," and was also in "Aliens." Bill Paxton was Morgan Earp, he was also in "Aliens." Charleton Heston, who played Moses in "The Ten Commandments" and many other roles, was an old rancher toward the end of the movie when Doc (Val Kilmer) was playing sicker than he was. You did recognize Thomas Haden Church, who played the Sandman, and Michael Rooker, who played Yondu in "Guardians of the Galaxy." Billy Zane was the actor who was killed in the end, and he was in "Titanic."
Doc's "I wasn't nearly as sick as I made out" was bravado. His decline was not a straight line.
Bill Paxton was also in The Terminater. He was the punk with the mohawk that Arnold killed in the beginning of the movie. The scene where he took the clothes from the punks.
Also Billy Bob Thornton was who Wyatt was bitch slapping lol
So very thankful to you for this. I spoke long on this too because I was flabbergasted and pretty upset with her to be honest on hating one of the best, good guys, yes, good guys, heros in a movie I've ever seen.
@@757optim I'm sure he knows that. He was just stating that to point out which scene he was referring to.
Wyatt never actually married Maddie, but he didn't correct people who introduced her as his wife.
Common law wife
@@mykolmacias8649 you took the words out of my mouth lol
Only legal wife was Urilla Sutherland, who died of smallpox while pregnant with their baby
Common law meant nothing back then
Arizona didn't then or now recognize Common Law marriages. You're interjecting something that was YOUR feelings (I guess) and NOT reality. To extend Dekul Runo's statement ... Wyatt ALLOWED Maddie to state that she was his wife to keep up "proper" appearances. Maddie was a Prostitute that Wyatt dragged along with him.
Remember, towns were few and far between and there weren't a lot of women ... certainly not enough to go around. Some estimates suggest the ratio of men to women in the Wild West at anywhere from 10-1 to as few as 30-1, depending on the town and the resources (or MONEY) there.
Wyatt simply kept Maddie around so he had a companion and someone to "humma-humma" with (i.e. so he didn't have to go out looking).
He allowed Maddie to pretend she was his wife so he could look respectable, and that also opened doors to him to respectable men in the community ... powerful men. Wyatt was a gambler, and was simply playing the odds. Josie was another thing though ... a true love.
Not sure if you know but this was a true story. Maddy (Wyatts wife) had a drug/drinking problem for a long time back when Wyatt was a law man in his early years. The relationship had been dying once they got to Tomestone AZ and Maddy was too much of an addict at that point, much like DOC Holiday. Not justifying Wyatt choosing the other woman but according to history the "Love" clearly was not there any more it seems once they were relocated in Tomestone.
I read he stayed with her until she died.
I don’t believe Wyatt was actually married to Maddy
Laudinum was opium desolved in alcohol. Maddy definitely had a drug problem...
@@PFitz-sh4ms They were never married. Some history says that he was there when she passed. The fact that he stayed with Maddie until death, says a lot.
They were never married. It was more of a common law type, she was a prostitute and he became her regular customer. When he went west he asked her to come along even though her addiction kept growing.
Just keep in mind that the movie compressed real time events. The Gunfight was Oct/1881. Virgil was shot Dec/1881. Morgan was killed Mar/1882. The Vendetta ride was Mar/Apr 1882. Ringo was killed Jul/1882. Doc died Nov 8 1887. He was diagnosis with TB when he was about 14 and lived with over 20 years.
For the reason you disliked Wyatt I really liked him because he is more human and not a perfect Hollywood protagonist. He had goal as a business man not a lawman because he didn't want to kill anyone again. His brothers caused the problem and wanted to stay and fight the Cowboys, Wyatt wanted to get out. As for Mattie - a drugged out woman who would not help herself then after her Wyatt spent the rest of his life with his soulmate - seems pretty good to me. Yes, I guess, in a typical Hollywood movie he gives Mattie a speech she see's the error of her ways and cleans herself up and everyone lives happily ever after but the movie is at least based on real people and events.
Hollywood wouldn't portray a drugged female in a movie of this day and age where basically everyone else was clean aside from alcohol. Minus the opium den scene with Curly Bill of course, which wasn't a prevailing theme of his character but rather a single time and every other scene he has his wits about him.
The kevin Costner movie is not that great but I feel he plays Wyatt the way he really was. Kurt Russell never did it for me
If a homewrecker is a "soul mate," then that says a lot about one's soul, now doesn't it.
@@Gutslinger A) By "Soulmate" I simply meant they spent the rest of their lives together - 47 YEARS. B) They didn't have a home to "homewreck" C) Have you never seen a relationship end after 2 or 3 years, not that unusual especially when 1 of the parties is hooked on drugs D) Maybe you have "seen" a relationship end after a short time , are bitter about it and believe the other person is soulless?
Very true. I don’t think Tombstone gets enough credit for being one of those movies that was based in realism and cheering on the antihero.
A lot of people when you talk about movies and TV and the popularity of the antihero, people point to the Sopranos and breaking bad, But tombstone really was the first thing in pop culture that I remember where you were cheering for these anti-heroes.
That’s why I love this movie because all the other movies about Wyatt herb and Doc Holliday have always painted them as the white hat wearing good guys. The Wyatt brothers and Doc Holliday were the good guys and would never do anything wrong and the Cowboys were just evil for the sake of being evil.
Tombstone didn’t hide the fact that these guys were real people. And in reality bad people sometimes do good things and good people sometimes do bad things because none of us are perfect. They could’ve made a movie and portrayed why it is someone who wouldn’t cheat on his wife but they wanted to keep it real. Yes he cheated on his wife but it’s not like they had a perfect relationship. But I don’t think that makes Wyatt a bad person, I think it makes him like a lot of real people. They are a good person at the end of the day but that doesn’t mean they’ve haven’t made mistakes.
Yes typically in Hollywood Luke Skywalker is the good guy and everyone on his team has never done anything wrong and the empire are evil because they’re supposed to be evil. I love that tombstone just kept it real.
It’s important to understand a couple things: 1. Wyatt & Matty weren’t legally married; what they had was essentially a common law marriage, and 2. that pretty much every character in this film was a real life person who experienced the events of the town of Tombstone, Arizona, in 1881-82. That said, this film is only about 85-90% historically accurate, but in regards to Wyatt Earp’s character, unfortunately this film is a bit weak because it doesn’t provide much in the way of his backstory, in order to better understand his motivations and reasons for why he did or didn’t do things. Lawrence Kasdan’s 1994 film WYATT EARP, starring Kevin Costner as Wyatt and Dennis Quaid as Doc Holliday, is better at telling this part of the story. It provides much more of Wyatt’s backstory, including the fact that he had previously been happily married, to Urilla Sutherland, and was expecting to become a father, when she died suddenly of typhoid in Missouri. This basically destroyed Wyatt and turned him from a bright eyed, optimistic young man with hopes and dreams into a cold, virtually unemotional, difficult-to-like person who regularly criss-crossed the line between hero & villain, lawman & outlaw. Kasdan’s film also explores Wyatt & Matty’s relationship in greater detail, and shows that Matty wasn’t exactly the most realistic or nicest of women. Wyatt never really considered Matty his wife, and although he cared for her, he didn’t love her like he did Urilla...or like he later did Josephine Marcus. Matty also openly expressed anti Semitic feelings against Josie (who was Jewish). Yes, Matty did develop a terrible addiction to laudanum (a drinkable solution popular then that’s basically liquid heroin or morphine), which worsened in part due to her unrealistic expectations of Wyatt (she wanted children with him; although family was extremely important to Wyatt, after losing his unborn child with Urilla years earlier he simply couldn’t bring himself to become a father, and he told Matty that children weren’t part of their “agreement,” which broke her heart; he also never had any children with Josie, who he also did not legally marry), and as Matty spiraled deeper & deeper into addiction, he stopped caring about her, as she chose the drug over life.
Basically, TOMBSTONE only tells a small sliver of the real story, but since these were all real life people and not two-dimensional fictional characters, these people are complex and messy, just like real life is. Wyatt Earp was, during his lifetime, both admired and reviled; he was a very complicated person and hardly a clearcut hero. Same with John “Doc” Holliday, and everyone else in this story. Sides were taken in Tombstone in real life; the townspeople were divided in thinking that the Earps & Holliday were in the right vs the Cowboys. The real history of the Old West is far more fascinating than any Western film, but I would strongly recommend that you see WYATT EARP (1994) to get a fuller understanding of not only the events of this film but the relationships of the people involved in the lives of the Earp brothers, and to get a better understanding of Wyatt Earp’s character as a human being.
Thank you so much.
Really good post. Thank you.
While the Kevin Costner Wyatt Earp film is more historically accurate, to be quite honest that movie is just boring in compared to Tombstone. The characters aren't nearly as captivating as Russell and Kilmer make them, not to mention the actors playing the Cowboys.
"Why you doin' this Doc?"
"Wyatt Earp's my friend."
"Hell, I got lots of friends."
"...I don't."
You were asking how everyone knew them, the Earp's and Doc Holiday were some of the most famous people in the country at that time from their earlier exploits, after the shoot out at the OK Coral they became some of the most famous people on earth.
The guy that Doc stabbed over a card game near the start of the film was Sylvester Stallone's brother, Frank Stallone.
Wow.
Interesting, I didn't know that.
The reason the story didn't follow the usual "formula" for movies was that it was based on real life...which is never formulaic. And the characters had both good and bad qualities because they were based on real people...not fictional heroes and villains. All of the main characters in this story were actual historical figures. The Fight at the OK Corral was one of the most famous gunfights from the days of the old west. While this movie dramatized the events, the main points of the story can be historically verified. Wyatt Earp was arguably the most famous lawman from the old west, as well. Even before these events, he was well known nationwide, because of books and newspaper articles featuring him. Throughout his life, Wyatt walked a thin line between lawman and law-breaker...spending time on both sides of that line. He was even arrested twice in Alaska, when he and Josephine ran a bar and brothel in Nome, AK. Definitely a larger than life character.
Not only that but the film went through a bunch of re-writes and the Director basically got fired in the middle of filming. Kurt Russell pretty much directed the film himself halfway through shooting.
that river scene and him facing down men without gun is what Wyatt was known for
Wyatt and Maddie were not actually married, wyatt was married once when he was a younger man in his twenties to a girl called Urilla , but she died of typhoid within a year into the marriage, it is believed she was pregnant at the time.
"What about her?" As in, why do you ask?
And Maddie was a common law wife at most.
That headache medicine she was taking, laudanum....alcohol and heroin....
The town was kinda split on the Erps and the cowboys.
Most people are not good or bad all the time.
The town of Tombstone was split and from what I have read still is to this day.
It's an interesting take on Wyatt - he was the one that brings the family back together. He's the one that wants to set them all up with a good income. He's the one that's intent on keeping everybody out of trouble and just focusing on keeping their family safe and prosperous (you can argue that he's leaving a bunch of strangers out in the cold but just because he used to be a lawman, doesn't mean he's obligated to protect everyone). He's the one that tries to ignore Josie's advances. And then when he realises it's a problem, he's the one that suggests to Maddie that maybe they should just move on - that they could have a better life together beyond Tombstone (which she just laughs off as absurd because she's already too far gone to help). He's the one that's concerned for the dangers his brothers put themselves in - be clear on that. He's not being selfish towards the town, he's being defensive of his brothers.
To call him selfish is... yeah, I'm not so sure about that one.
"He's the one that wants to set them all up with a good income. He's the one that's intent on keeping everybody out of trouble and just focusing on keeping their family safe and prosperous"
It's like when anyone moves to the city. Better pay but damn it's ghetto and dangerous in some places. You save up to set up someplace better and cheaper, and try not to get trapped or die there. You go in knowing it's a rat race.
Since I have recieved utterly retarded replies to my comment, let me clarify for the inbred that read these. I think psychotic and selfish are the words you are looking for in regards to Maddie. As far as this particular reactor goes, I think the words delusional and entitled are fairly accurate descriptions.
@@mongo5888 odd take. Expand on that?
@@mongo5888 Where is TH did you get that from ??? There is NOTHING in history to suggest that Wyatt was anything more than a man of the times ... a pretty good one at that ... and certainly NOT psychotic. What an idiotic thing to say.
@@KyleS3m3noff You'll have to forgive Mongo5888, I think he/she/it (can't tell by the name) was looking in the mirror and just speaking (i.e. typing) out loud .. you know, before thinking.
Wyatt's first (and Only "Formal"0 marriage was when he was around 20, but his wife died less than a year later. Both Maddie and Sadie were "Common Law" wives (No Weddings or Certificates).
During Wyatt's Later Years, he worked behind the Scene's in Movies. He gave one young actor some tips about "The Cowboy ways" which he took to heart and was his Signature Profile... The Actor was John Wayne. Both He and Legendary Movie Cowboy Tom Mix were Reportedly Pallbearers at Wyatt's Funeral.
Interesting that they didn't mention John Wayne at the end of this movie, like they did Tom Mix and the other dude.
@@Gutslinger Yet, a quick internet search in the Edge sidebar brought up 4 stories side-by-side and a bunch of other stories, all with different people documenting the friendship. The consensus was that it happened while JW was a 21-year-old bit-part actor at Fox Film Corporation, and Wyatt befriended him while on the set of a Western. He (JW) used to fetch Wyatt coffee. He was also 1 of his pallbearers at Wyatt's funeral.
@@StevesFunhouse Yet, a quick internet search told me that John Wayne wasn't a pallbearer.
Instead it said this: At Wyatt Earp's funeral, held the Tuesday after he died on January 13, 1929, his pallbearers were: Attorney W.J. Hunsaker, Arizona Territory diarist George Parsons, former Tombstone mayor and newspaper editor John Clum, actor William S. Hart, playwright Wilson Mizner and actor Tom Mix.
@@Gutslinger Good research, and yet, many articles said he was 1. I can't speculate as to the truth of either statement, because I wasn't there ... so I am NOT an expert here but, you seem to miss my point.
You overlooked what I was saying to try to destroy the ONE (1, Juan, Won, wun) single statement made that was an afterthought. Way to go.
So you managed to find a single resource that said he wasn't (as far as I can tell), and I found many that said he was. As I said previously, I honestly don't know, and can't verify either statement.
However, are you really that hard up for a win that you passed over my point, just so you could "go there" to prove me wrong ??? 🤦♂
Whether John Wayne was or wasn't a pallbearer is irrelevant, and all the articles I've since found that state and show who they think they were, quote no authoritative source, the pictures shown have no original captions, and there are no pictures of them carrying the casket (Earp was cremated) so we can't even be sure what those pictures are of.
However, let's say you're right. My original reply to you was about whether John Wayne KNEW Wyatt Earp, and you chose to focus on an insignificant detail, rather that what I was addressing, and I am not totally convinced that he was NOT at the funeral, whether or not he was a pallbearer.
Does she know this was a real event in history and all the main characters were real people?? Who here has been to Tombstone? I visited about 11 years ago.
You haven't got a clue this is history albeit through Hollywood's eyes. And like has been mentioned in other comments the main character is actually existed they've all passed on. And you don't even recognize Ben-Hur, Moses, Charlton Heston. Not good enough.
@@davidcollver6155 of course they passed on.. it's from the late 1800s. 🤣
Wyatt's not a character, he's a person. Some are like that . . .
Maddy Blaylock Earp is buried in an unmarked grave out here in AZ.Out in the desert in the old historic Pinal Cemetary near the town of Superior.There was put a representative headstone for her close by the enterance from the inside so people can visit it.They are not sure exactly where in the cemetary her grave is. The cemetary is off an old dirt jeep trail north of Highway 60.The grave markers/headstones of the cemetary are all scattered about in the desert within a large wrought iron fenced area
Wyatt cared about his brothers, law, order and justice. Leaving a woman who was a drug addict was the best move for him. Would you stay with a man who made you unhappy? A few embellishments in the story for cinematic sake but pretty much true to the real story.
A. The movie is based on true characters and events.
B. Maddie was nipping on opium. She was a drug addicted prostitute. They weren’t really married; it was common law which essentially means they lived together for a while.
C. Given that, how much loyalty did he owe her.
D. Selfish? Like he said, he’d already done his part. He wanted to simply be retired from the law business.
E. In all the world, especially seeing the opening scene, you have to be the only person who would question the Earps’ way of dealing with the Cowboys. That gang was simply evil.
The character's in this movie were all real people from Curly Bill and Johnny Ringo and Big Nose Kate to Doc Holiday and the others.
Translation of the exchange between Doc and Ringo that was in Latin:
Doc: In wine there is truth.
Ringo: Do what you’re doing.
Doc: Let the Jew Apella believe it, not I.
Ringo: Youth is the teacher of fools.
Doc: Rest in peace.
Cool, thanks.👍
Do what you gotta do
Tell Judius Paella, not me.
Events stupify the expert
Rest in peace.
Most of the famous men from the old west walked on both sides of the law. As it has been stated in other comments Wyatt and Maddie were never officially married. The scene in the saloon where Ike claimed he was cheated he called the Earps pimps. That's because they were at one time before they went to Tombstone although Wyatt may have been a bouncer at a brothel history isn't clear. Also while their backgrounds are sketchy the Earp's wives were believed to be "workers" for the Earps. Wyatt had been arrested for stealing horses but never went to trial because Wyatt broke out of jail. One gunfighter Tom Horn was a deputy sheriff in Arizona while also being a gun for hire.
The real-life reaction to the Earps and the events of Tombstone were just as divided with some seeing the Earps saving a town from a lawless element whereas others saw it as a turf war between two factions who wanted to exploit the opportunities for profit in the town. BTW Fred White is played by Harry Cary junior who was a regular in John Wayne movies going back to the 1940s and the cowardly dealer Earps slaps around in the saloon is an unusually plump Billy Bob Thornton.
He was also on Rin tin tin tv series
It lacks the traditional plot of a western where at the end there's a "happy" ending and the good guys, who are clearly differentiated from the bad guys, win because it's based on a true story and real life isn't so cut and dried.
One of the most insane things in this film is the fact that the whole creek scene where Wyatt charged into the middle of a hail of bullets - HAPPENED. That was not made up.
You have to understand that the events covered in the movie, took place over several years. So they had to fast track events. That's why as you said, it feels like certain moments didn't have time to breathe. The actress was dating the Behan guy for some time. Before her and Wyatt ended up together, and that didn't happen until after Tombstone. Maddie died shortly after they left Tombstone on the train. So that part, you didn't get to see but the beef with the Cowboys took place over several months, to about two years. So lots of things transpired there, that the action simply didn't have time to go over.
You would probably also like Young Guns and Young Guns 2. They're about Billy The Kid and both movies have an allstar cast. They're great.
Glad to see this recommendation. I thought I was the only one
I totally disagree with your summation. Wyatt & Doc were my favorites, and when the Earps found out what the Cowboys were about they took care of business. One of my all time favorite movies.
Doc Holiday is such a bad ass, especially the way Val Kilmer plays him. He’s my favorite character in this movie, such a great performance. He has the best lines.
Maddie and Wyatt grew apart a long time before this movie, it was only a matter of time before they split. Wyatt was not a bad person at ALL for that stuff
People with flaws are not necessarily the 'antagonist'. Wyatt was a good man but he had flaws - like all people.
This
Your conflicted feelings about Wyatt actually mirror the sentiments of the townspeople at the time. It was just about a fifty-fifty split on whether he and his brothers were heroes or villains.
This is probably one of my favorite westerns and most quotable, so many good lines in this movie from several characters. I was wondering how they got Charlton Heston old ass up on that horse at the Hooker Ranch scene, he looked Ike he was struggling like Doc, Lol. I'm joking, Charlton Heston is a Hollywood treasure ya'll. Her reaction at the end to Wyatt made me laugh put loud, he IS a hard protagonist to nail down
Every time I see "Tombstone " it reminds me of the headstone of Lester Moore.
"Here lies Lester Moore. Four slugs from a .44. No Les. No More."
Interesting that you said you couldn't decide if Wyatt was a good guy or not, and that he seemed unlikable and selfish. If you research the biography of the real Wyatt Earp, you'll have the same impression. Fact is, not many of the "lawmen" back then were much different than outlaws themselves. And they were not always people of the best character. The line between good guys and bad guys was actually pretty thin. And at times that line would actually fray and break.
History is rarely binary good and evil. Wyatt was... An interesting man. He died in 1929 broke, and early Hollywood had propped him up as consultant on early old west films. He died in a tiny bungalow around LA. He was a man from a different time that lingered on in a different world. Mattie died several years after these events. Josie was believed to not have been the best companion to him by the end, and she lasted until 1944. You can visit all their graves still. Doc was in Colorado at the time of Ringo's death and he's buried there.
Doc instantly memorized the gun flourish and duplicated it with the tea cup. Everyone in the bar though it was a big joke, but he realized Doc replicated his flourish.
Him slapping Billy Bob reminds me of something my brother said when he got out of prison. "A quick way to defuse a situation is if someone gets in your face bitch slap them as hard as you can. Now you got to be ready. If he's a man, you got a fight on your hands. But a bitch is gonna show like a bitch."
Wyatt was enforcer for a lot of bars in a lot towns. He was known for doing this. They said he would come fast at someone staring them down with his steel blue eyes, which would freak a guy out. Wyatt didn't carry a gun and before you knew it he would take yours and smack you in the head with it. No one ever put their hands on him, he was the OG badass.
The best way I know of to describe Wyatt is that he’s a good man, but not necessarily a nice man. If that makes sense.
He felt like he had done his duty as a lawman and moved to Tombstone as a fresh start. He wanted to pursue other dreams and not be involved in law enforcement anymore. Life had other plans for him though.
So many people don't realize history. Back in that day you had to be real tough, you had to look after yourself no one else would. Parents didn't baby kids like now, you hit a certain age and your parents kick you out to be a man. If you were a woman they married you off.
@@reesebn38 I see the same thing in comments sections of history videos on even older time periods. Some people don't understand that someone with our modern softness could get themselves killed for it in past eras.
@@DocHolliday1851 None of us would last 10 min. in the old west.
@@reesebn38 The only way I see survival happening is if we were born into it. Our great grandparents lived it. I'd never say I wish I was born in ___ era though. Some romanticize that stuff. Lack of medical advancement isn't worth it to trade places imo.
Doc was a dentist who went west when diagnosed with tuberculosis. He was a gambler and a gunfighter. Johnny Ringo was also a gunfighter, Wyatt was not. That is why he asked Doc if he could beat Ringo.
"He crawfished a bet and called me a liar"
Oh, the things that could get you shot in the Old West, lol.
Gunfighter Clay Allison once shot a man he was having dinner with because the man chewed his food to noisely for Allison's tastes.
You're the first person to recognize Michael Rooker, and that makes me smile. Wonderful reaction!
Maddie was an addict. She wasn't physically ill beyond that. Also, though they don't say it in the movie, she and Wyatt were common law spouses, but never actually married. He ended up spending 46 YEARS with the other woman. It's not like it was a cheap fling.
Michael Biehn, the guy who played Johnny Ringo, said the final showdown between himself and Doc Holiday was his favorite scene of his acting career.
Technically, Wyatt was not married to Maddie. Wyatt Earp married one woman in his life, who died when they were young. Maddie and Josephine (the actress) were live-in girlfriends.
It wasn’t Wyatt’s job to save the town when all this started.
When the movie started he wasn’t making enemies, he was stamping his mark!
Wyatt also had some tragic events that made him like he is. Tombstone is just one part of Wyatt’s life. If you watch Wyatt Earp starring Kevin Costner you get Wyatt’s full story and everything makes more sense. Goes from Wyatt as a young boy to Wyatt in his 70s.
You do realize that this this was another telling of the tail based on a true historical event of the old west. Check out "WYATT ERAP "and the classic western " GUNFIGHT AT THE O.K. CORRAL " You may have have miss what was going on.
The scene where the 4 of them go down the street to confront the cowboys etc.. Is the Gunfight at the OK Corral.
9:05 One thing you have to understand about this movie and why some parts seem "poorly written" is because this is more of a documentary than a movie. These things actually happened and real people live colorful lives.
32:42 - again, because this was made to be as real as possible. They purposefully didn't "fix up" the plot to make it Hollywood-esque, which is why you are puzzled by "why would a main character behave like this"
This is not a documentary by any means there are a very convergences with real history but only a few. The skeleton of reality, but the meat is fictional and extremely stylized at that. This is a very cliche pulp western, and it’s freaking wonderful for it.
I cannot imagine how an adult human being could look at this movie and think it’s meant to be as real as possible.
That Curly Bill impression made me snort laugh.
Wyatt had done quite a bit and was a lawman before arriving to Tombstone. I think he just wanted to get out of it and settle down to a more “normal” life with his brothers in close proximity. When Virgil felt need to be a public servant, Wyatt was mad. He knew the danger and what it does to a man. When Morgan joined him, Wyatt flipped out. In the end, Wyatt had no choice but to join in. Hence the back and forth with Wyatt’s persona. Doc and Wyatt were great friends. Doc went all in because he felt he had nothing to lose. How many of us want a friend like Doc? Val Kilmer is the bomb! Great reaction!
As mentioned at the end, Wyatt died in Los Angeles in 1929. This version of the story follows the biograpy, WYATT EARP by Stuart Lake (1931), more closley than most biographical films. Lake is the only biographer of Earp who was able to interview him and fact check some of what Earp said. Earp was in Los Angeles working in the film industry as an advisor for western movies. It was during that time that the biggest cowboy star of all, John Wayne, was learning the trade. Wayne said that he met and observed Wyatt on the movie sets. He said that later, whenever he played an authoritative character, he would imitate Earp. Something to keep in mind when watching John Wayne.
This is in my top 5 movies. And being based on a true story, it really shows how human the characters.
But Val Kilmer stole the show with his portrayal as Doc
Theirs been so many movies about the Gun Fight at the OK Corral where they paint the Wyatt and Doc as heroic gunslinger. Their was a lot of research done for this film by the director. From looking up newspapers articles to interviewing some of the descendants of the incident. This movie showed Wyatt as A man that wanted to get away from being a law man. And wanted to settle and start a business. Like the the man with no name trilogy this is another example of the thin Line between good and evil. They were people of their time. And also Maddie was a drug addiction gulping down opium.
she wasn't sick. she was an addict
Lots of great quotes in this movie. If I thought you weren't my friend, I just don't think I could bear it.
Wyatt worked at the early movie studios in California, and he befriended a young man working in the props department who later became an actor. The actor was John Wayne. He always said that he based everything he did in his westerns from his signature rolling walk to his slow drawl on his observations of Wyatt Earp.
Waynes walk was a result of knee damage he suffered playing football at USC. It also kept him out of the military when he tried to enlist in WWII.
He did not try to fight in WW2. He stayed in Hollywood. Everybody else did, From J. Stewart to Clark Gable. HE wasn't a real Hero.
One of my favorites.
I had an ancestor that killed the last Earp in Arizona in a gun fight on July 6th 1900 in Wilcox, Arizona. Warren Earp was the youngest of the Earp brothers. He did not take part in the gunfight in Tombstone but did take part in the Vendetta ride.
El Mirage, Arizona
5:43 "Are you going to do something or just stand there and bleed." :)
That's about the best reaction of shock and surprise to Doc coming out from behind the tree that I've ever seen. Awesome.
They did a pretty good job considering it was based on actual events. They portrayed things fairly accurately. Wyatt just wanted to live a good life and reconnect with his family.
When I figured out this movie was based on true events, I did some research on who those characters were and this movie fascinates me in learning about the events of Tombstone, Arizona.
The reason this movie isn't formulaic is because life isn't. It's a true story despite all the 'Hollywooding ' of the truth.
Doc's death wasn't days after he killed Ringo. It was years.
The same goes with Wyatt and Maddy who wasn't his wife. He was trying to make things better with her but her addiction to opium (she wasn't ill) was in the way. It was years later after Maddy died that he tracked down the 'showgirl'.
Val's Doc is rightly lauded as an amazing, even Oscar-worthy, performance, but Stephen Lang, who made such a plausible old snake in Ike, is a year younger than Kurt, which also calls for fantastic acting.
You should definitely check out the making of Tombstone. You learn more about the movie, the history and the actual characters.
I also suggested that she watch American Experience, Wyatt Earp. I assume she knows that this film, was based on real events. It's the documentary about his life by Ken Burns. It's brilliant. Have you seen it before?
Wyatt was complicated and suffered quite a lot before he met Maddi. His first wife died of typhoid while she was pregnant and he went down a self destructive spiral. That's why his demeanor is the way it is. You definitely should Watch "Wyatt Earp" with Kevin Costner as Wyatt..it's not as good but it focuses on Wyatt..more of a biopic.
Wyatt was also an anti hero if there was one. He and his family were into shady business that got in the way of the cowboys. I lived 15 minutes from Tombstone in AZ for two years and really got into the story. After the ok corral. .the town..the law...were split down the middle with which group they supported. It's a fascinating and complicated story that I still love reading about. Especially the mystery of who really took the first shot at OK Corral. It's my opinion that because the cowboys kept threatening the Earp's and confronting them that they just decided to meet them head on before they were ambushed. The Earp's claimed that they asked for their weapons before anyone fired but I think they had enough....said "We want your guns" but then just opened fire. One last thing..Wyatt was never considered a fast draw but he was one of the deadliest because he hardly missed when he took his shots. Great reaction...hope you can check out "Wyatt Earp". I've always liked both films even though they are different.
The shooting of Marshall White really was an accident. IRL White survived for 3 days and stated that it was an accident.
This movie came out at roughly the same time as the movie Wyatt Earp with Kevin Costner playing Wyatt. I felt that that movie stuck more to the formula you spoke of at the end of the video here.
I’m contrast, while still not 100% historically accurate, I feel that Tombstone is the more solid film because it doesn’t show you Wyatt as the romanticized good guy he has become because of earlier movies, books, etc. In truth, this movie shows you how chaotic the Wild West was. It wasn’t nearly as violent as portrayed in movies, but when it happened, it was pretty violent.
It also shows you the shades of grey that exist. There is one thing I’ve learned in life: when you’re young, you’re taught there is good and there is evil, that’s it, cut and dry, end of list. When you get older you learn that good and evil are on two ends of a very large spectrum with so many shades of grey to it. Wyatt tried to plant himself in the middle in this movie where he was neutral, but in truth he was just as chaotic as the time he lived.
Still, this is easily the best western I’ve ever seen and people who have watched it quote it to this day, that’s how good the writing and storytelling was in it.
Although the movie showed Doc Holliday killing Johnny Ringo lot of historians will say that doc was in Colorado at the time Johnny Ringo was killed
Some of the best quotable lines in this movie
Behan had the only mustache that wasn't real. Makes them even more impressive.
Now that you've seen this one, you should definitely watch "Wyatt Earp" with Kevin Costner. It's a long movie, but it gives you some better context about wyatt's life before tombstone.
Funny story about this, both movies were in production at the same time, and both took completely different approaches to the story.
The thing you didn’t seem to realize, is that this was actually based on actual events, and real people.
Tombstone: As many long-lived catchphrases as any Monty Python movie.👏
Great scene with Kurt Russel and Billy Bob Thornton. “You got something’ on your mind?” “Pull that smoke wagon and
See what happens!”
The real world doesn't keep a rhythm or a beat, it's chaotic and just is. This is history.
Early to mid 90's had some of the greatest movies ever.
movie fact:
Docs final scene in the hospice he was laying on a bed of ice, so he would look like he was in pain.
The real Johnny Ringo is believed to have committed suicide out near a mountain pass in the Dragoon Mountains after he left the Fourth of July festivities in Tombstone that day drunk . He was also once deputized by the Cochise County Sheriff after a Tucson judge issued warrants for the arrest of the Earps and Doc Holiday when they had formed their own posse and went on a killing vendetta against the men that they felt were responsible for the death of Virgil and Morgan Earp. Johnny Ringo was part of the Sheriff's posse that went after the Earps.
I think there might be some confusion over Maddy. She and Wyatt technically weren’t married and she was a lost cause before they even arrived in Tombstone due to her heavy laudanum addiction. She had no desire to change or better herself and over time Wyatt started giving up and falling out of love with her. I think he wanted to save her but knew he couldn’t deep down and some history states that he was there when she died I think. Wyatt wasn’t selfish by any stretch, he was the smartest one of the group because he knew from experience what was going to happen if his brothers got involved with the Cowboys and he was right. Virgil had a maimed arm and Morgan died. Wyatt moved there to settle down and retire from the bloodshed and traumatizing things he saw from his career so it wasn’t really his responsibility to fix things in Tombstone. Finally when what Wyatt feared would happen actually happened despite his warnings, his brothers’ wives blamed him (for some reason) for it when it was their husbands that wanted to get in the middle of it to begin with.
I’m not sure you realize that Tombstone was based on actual history of the gunfight at the OK corral. The movie does take creative liberties but much you didn’t like about Wyatt was well documented history. Hope this helps you with your moral dilemma 😊
As people headed west after the gold rush in the 1860s, most had to go through Dodge City, Kansas. There were only so many routes at the time. Wyatt Earp had ruled the town with his confidence and his peacemaker, for a short time. The fear of his reputation spread to Texas and to parts of the Oregon trail. Almost every adult west of the Mississippi in that time period would have heard his name at some point.
Back in the old west there was a fine between law and criminal. Doc was the only man Ringo was scared of. Doc knew that he was the only one that could take on Ringo.
You never acknowledged that you knew Maddy was a junkie and alcoholic.
I have watched tons of these Tombstone reaction videos and you are the only one to ruin the ending with negativity. He tried to love his wife and get her to get help. She continually got in his face and disrespected him more than once. He did the right thing by leaving her. This ending was beautiful and romantic. Too bad you couldn't appreciate that.
A few of the actors also were in the U.S Civil War Film: Gettysburg, it came out the same year as this film.
This was a great movie 🔥
Your values define your reactions. Very admirable. Please don't change.
I loved the movie Tombstone and Val Kilmar as Doc Holliday was great. While the movie was based on true events and real people, the time line was shortend quite a bit to for the sake to make a movie and some of the facts were wrong, of course all movies take liberties so not going to criticize. Also Maddie was not sick, she was an opium addict. The medicine she drank for her head aches had opium in it. The real events portrayed in the movie took place over a much longer time period. Before the gunfight at the OK coral they had been a longstanding fued between the Earps and the Clanton gang, portrayed as the cowboys in the movie, for almost 2 years. Also Morgan amd Virgil were not shot on the same night. Virgil was shot first and then Morgan months later. The town of tombstone was never "terrorized" by the Clantons or the Cowboys. The Clantons were well liked I. The town by most of the townsfolk. Others sided with thr Earps. There was also a lot of politics involved. The Clantons were considered democrats and the Earps republican and each side received political and also editorial support from the 2 newspapers in Tombstone. One was a democrat paper and the other was a republican paper. The Earps were not saints by any means also. Doc Holiday did die in a sanatorium but Wyatt never came to see them. They had a falling out years before and never spoke again. Wyatt, I his later years did say he regretted that. He also said that he never saw another man that was as good with a gun as Doc Holiday.
I can tell you, as one who was born and raised in Deep South Texas, I know so few men that don’t have those moustaches that I always laugh when reactors notice them first.
Almost all the people you see in this film were real people. The happenings were basically real also, of course we can't know exactly what was said but...
The Okay Corral was a real incident.
Be safe
I sorry hun but you misunderstood this is history. Maddie was not sick she was a drug addict.
You have to remember this wasn't just a movie, it was history and its messy.
Kurt Russell's mustache...if I could grow one like that I sure the shit would
This was a based on a true story. These were real events.. Wyatt had already been a lawman. Before the events of the movie he had already done his time. He just wanted to go into business and live his life. When they killed his brother he was pulled back into the world of violence. He wasn't selfish.. its just that he didnt want to get involved.
These were real life historical figures not fictional characters and as such are complicated. Real people aren't usually made up of just good people and bad people. Some people fall into the gray area in between. There are good people who aren't necessarily "nice" people like Wyatt. Living wasn't easy back then and being a lawman made it 10 times harder.
Wyatt Earp was a man of principles ..... His own principles..... Which helped define the principles of his era.. .. ..