@@Kiernan5 forgot about those movies loved "Real Geniuses" a classic. And God said, "Stop touching yourself." Lol Top Secret when he pulls the "Anal Intruder 2000" out from under his Nazi prison bunk.... priceless. 🤣
Doc holiday was a dentist and gambler who suffered from tuberculosis. That’s why they called him lunger. He should have gotten an award for that role. Glad you two liked it.
It’s a shame he never got an award…. But I think the fact that majority of people whom watch the movie and more westerns regard val kilmers rendition of doc holiday as the best western character and performance 30 years later is worth much much more to an actor than an award
In the scene where Ringo and Doc show off their "pistol skills" at the bar, everyone laughs when Doc starts twirling his cup. But Ringo recognizes that Doc is able to exactly recreate what he did while drunk and barely making an effort. He recognizes how dangerous Doc really is at that moment.
You can really see it in Ringo's face just how much Doc has intimidated him with that one simple act. The confidence slowly drains out of his eyes. A brilliant bit of acting by Michael Biehn to show with just his face just how much that bit of cup twirling really shook him.
John Henry Holiday, aka, Doc, was born in Georgia. He was college educated as a dentist, hence the nickname "Doc". He developed Teburculosis and moved west to a more arid, less humid environment. People with TB were known as "lungers" and would often move west to help ease their condition. Besides being a helluva poker player and gun slinger, he also spoke three languages, Latin being one of them. He was known to travel with a lady dubbed "big nose Kate". Doc and Wyatt were friends up to Doc's death. He's one of my favorites of the old west...as I am also a Georgian.
This is an iconic Val Kilmer role..he should've won every award there is for it. The cast is full of incredible people top to bottom, the story is amazing, the director created an amazing atmosphere and tension, but also some light moments. Just a masterpiece for me.
For me Val Kilmer's acting is the best part of this film. 41:47 And I most like that part when the other other guy says he has lots of friends and Doc says: I don't.
They say when Doc was dying, Val Kilmer was laying on a bed of ice, to make sure he looked shaky and close to death. Now tell me he didn't give his all to the role. Val Kilmer deserved an Academy Award for his role as Doc Holiday..
The man who says h*** doc I've got lots of friends, Have you ever noticed his medallion. He's wearing a Freemason's medallion Italian, I always figured he was referring to his brothers at the lodge.
@@hadnick1 It's not Huckleberry lol it's Huckle-Bearer. The Huckle is the handle on the side of a casket. In other words he was saying "I'll carry your casket once your dead" lol
The real John Henry "Doc" Holliday was a fascinating character. Born back east and trained as a dentist, he traveled around with a partner for a while doing dentistry until the "consumption" (tuberculosis) he'd caught earlier from his mother, which was incurable back then and typically fatal, made that impossible. So, he quit the dental business and moved to the southwest where the dry weather was thought to be healthier for people with the disease. He ended up becoming a gambler and a sometime gunslinger. He befriended Wyatt Earp after saving him down in Texas. They knocked around the southwest and eventually ended up in Tombstone, AZ where the movie takes place. While the movie script takes a lot of artistic license with the facts, many of the events in the movie really happened, including the famous gunfight at the O.K. Corral. You recognized Val Kilmer (Doc), but several other popular actors of that time were in the movie, including Michael Biehn ("Terminator", "Aliens") who played Johnny Ringo, Bill Paxton ("Terminator", "Aliens", and many more) who played Morgan Earp, the amazing Sam Elliott ("Mask", "Big Lebowski", "A Star is Born", etc.) who played Virgil Earp, Michael Rooker ("Walking Dead"), Billy Bob Thornton, Powers Boothe, Billy Zane ("Titanic"), Dana Delaney, as well as cameos from old-time actors like Charlton Heston, Harry Carey, Jr. and Robert Mitchum (narrator). Still one of my favorite movies!
What's so amazing is that Val Kilmer did his research and was on point with everything. From the looks to his mannerisms. He even captured the lost Savannah, GA accent (which was a little slower than what Val Kilmer did) which was nearly gone after the Civil War.
When he yelled “HELL’S COMING WITH ME!” everyone in the sold out movie theatre went bonkers. Easily one of the most incredible moments I ever had at the movies.
@@laapache1 It’s from the Bible King James version, Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth
A little explanation about Doc's last line. When he looked at his bare feet and said "That's funny!", he was referring to the fact he was barefoot. He had always said he would die with his boots on, as in a gunfight. He was amazed he had survived long enough to die a natural death.
Doc suffers from TB commonly known as consumption in those times. He does not fear dying cos he already is. The pale skin and sweat is part of the affliction. This is a legendary tale and all the characters were real people and the story is mostly true.
Add the scene how Johnny Ringo compliments himself after shooting the priest at the wedding and quotes the Revelation verse of the pale horse rider named Death. Doc Holliday is pale, deadly, and much better than Ringo
Tuberculosis in the Old West was as leprosy was in Biblical times. You had to wear something that people could see and hear to let them know that you were sick and they gave you a wide birth.
I guess doc sees the outlaw life style as a desperate one and the fact Ringo is educated but chooses to live like that makes him hate him just like doc probably hates himself
I was 11 when this was released in the theatres and lucky enough to have a cool grandfather who loved westerns. The cinema played this so loud. The gunfights were like canon fire. Rip pops.
Doc was a outlaw who really was a hero. Wyatt was a law man who people thought was a hero but was a criminal if he needed to be. They had the perfect friendship 😊
While I agree that both of those movies are amazing movies that should absolutely be watched, I don't agree that you go directly from Tombstone to either of those. In my opinion, I would suggest that there are a few other movies that a newbie to the genre should watch before progressing to those somewhat less action-packed films. Young Guns, Pale Rider, and Unforgiven just to name a few.
I will also agree that both of those movies are amazing films. But Dances With Wolves (while one of my favorite movies) isn't a particularly original story. If you've seen Avatar, Fern Gully, or Pocahontas, you've basically seen Dances. But Dances did it best by far! Avatar had the effects, but Wind In His Hair's last lines make me cry every time I see that movie! And agreed, watch the theatrical release version.
Val Kilmer should have won an Oscar for his portrayal. Doc Holliday, while a criminal in truth, is a hero!! Vals portrayal is the best in the many of him. The "Hell's coming with me" scene gives EVERYONE goosebumps!! Tombstone is the most accurate telling of Wyatt Earp and his "Immortals". It's crazy!! Doc Holliday died from tuberculosis. Lots of people did back then. They called him "Doc" because he was a trained Dentist. LOL
Costner’s “Wyatt Earp”, which is the movie this one got shafted for, is actually a little more accurate. And the guy who plays Doc does a good job in that one too. But Tombstone is a way better film, and Kilmer’s portrayal of Doc is superior as well.
Kilmer's Doc Holliday is one of the best performances I've ever seen. I've seen this movie at least a dozen times and I never tire of the way he pulls you in like a magnet whenever he's on screen
@@dawest767 his entire career was playing these kinds of parts (Real Genius, Top Gun, Heat): slick, cocky, kind of a dick but comes from a good place. He just turns it up to an 11 with this part and kills it. He should have just kept doing that for the rest of his career instead of trying and failing at Batman.
@@moviescatsmargs I don't know if it's fair to say he failed at Batman, he talks about it in his documentary. He was offered the sequel and he pissed everyone off for not taking it. He was pissed he was the straight man in that movie playing support role essentially to Jim Carrey.
@@mattkirby994 True and I would place a lot of blame on the direction and writing of that movie but his performance is kind of wooden. If that's the byproduct of his being pissed off about feeling sidelined by Carrey's star power, so be it but playing Batman is not about charisma which Kilmer had in abundance. Would have liked to see his Two-Face in that movie...
@@moviescatsmargs I don't remember everything he said about it but he discussed it pretty extensively as I recall. You should check the doc out if you haven't seen it
There is so much you didn’t catch, so I will give you something. Doc was dentist who was a lunger- that’s what they call someone who has TB because it destroys your lungs. Kate his girlfriend was known as big nose Katie Elder. Watch the Sons of Katie Elder starting John Wayne. Doc was Val Kilmer who was Iceman from Top Gun. You said you were not sure if you liked this movie better than Terminator… surprise you didn’t like Ringo because he thought he was faster than Doc, but you loved him in Terminator. The actor is Michael Bein who was Reese who saved Sarah Connor. Good actor huh. Also he is in Alien2 (Aliens) who helps save the day. That’s the sign of a good supporting actor when he can make you hate him in 1 film than love in other films. This movie was based loosely on the gunfight at OK Corral. I like your reactions because you are so young you haven’t seen or heard of these movies or fact. It’s refreshing. There was a bunch of actors you need to google they have connections from other movies. Michael Bein(Ringo) and Will Paxson(Morgan) from Aliens. Mad cap Johnny is Billy Bob Thornton from Slingblade and Armageddon. Too much to say … next cowboy movie to see is Unforgiven - Clint Eastwood or The Original Magnificent 7 and the remake with Denzel Washington so you can compare them. Lastly Moses was in this film and Ben Hur. Sorry this so long … it is 1 of my favorite movies and you 2 are 2 of my favorite reactors.
"Unforgiven" staring and directed by the legendary Clint Eastwood is considered by many to be the best "modern" western. It won the Oscar for best picture as well as one for best director. Another great one is "Silverado".
"I'm your huckleberry." In my opinion, Val Kilmer's greatest role. His portrayal as Doc Holliday was what made this film. Also, Val Kilmer wasn't even nominated for a Best Supporting Actor Oscar, but he should have been. #ShowStealer
Kilmer stayed in-character throughout shooting. Michael Biehn (Ringo, who you might also recognize as Kyle Reese from "Terminator" and Corporal Hicks from "Aliens") was asked once what it was like to work with Val Kilmer on this film. He replied, "I've never worked with Val Kilmer. I've worked with Doc Holliday".
IMHO it was the best film he ever made! Better than "Topgun." (I was in the Navy then, served on an aircraft carrier, and "Topgun" had more fallacies and inaccuracies in it that it was unwatchable for me.)
I am very surprised that neither of you have heard of 'Gunfight at the OK Coral'. When the four of them in Tombstone had the gunfight in the yard, that was the gunfight at the OK Coral. This story has been portrayed in so many movies and TV shows. The story in general was a true story, and Wyatt never even got injured during his entire career. Wyatt was married during all of this, but it was not a happy marriage, so you can see why he fell in love with the actress (the very attractive Dana Delaney). After killing the Clayton Clan, he moved to Los Angeles, retired from any public service and was a consultant in Hollywood for westerns. Many of the people he ran into in California did not believe his stories. Also, one of the young actors he tutored was a young actor in his teens named Marion Morrison - AKA John Wayne! It is told that John Wayne styled his walk after Wyatt Earp.
I’m actually named after the real Earp brothers and my first name is Wyatt and I was named after Wyatt Earp and Wyatt is my first name and I was really given that name when I was a baby and so Wyatt is my first name and I was named after Wyatt Earp and even though my name isWyatt kahoalii Aiu but my first name is Wyatt and my name is famous and so I’m named after Wyatt Earp
I hate westerns. Nothing against them, just really not my cup of tea. After a few shorts, I gotta see this one just for Kilmer’s performance. I can understand their sentiment.
"Cowboys" was a general term for ranch hand. "The cowboys" was just a catchy label they gave themselves. Kind of like if a gang called themselves "the bros". It was just a label, not literally what cowboys in general were known as.
@@joeberger3441 These two seem quite oblivious to many things that should be common knowledge. In fact, I was thinking...When are these two going to realize that Doc has Tuberculosis. Considering the fact that these two graduated from a University & are school teachers, you would think they would know enough American history to be familiar with the Gunfight at the O.K. Corral. Back then the term ~ "Consumption" was a common term for Tuberculosis. That specific term is used in this film, but of course these two Scholars don't pick up on that. It's also shameful how Jordan uses horrendous grammar & falls back on ghetto expressions frequently. It's no wonder America's public school system is in the toilet.
The fact that Jay finally realized Doc was played by Val Kilmer at 33:25 while lightning strikes above their heads in the scene is hilarious and perfectly timed! 😂😂😂
Lmao! Man I had no idea neither that Val was in this film until I saw the trailer. And man I was not prepared for just how amazing he was in this role. He got so into it and it’s soooo different from his other roles. The trick to appreciating his performance in this is to watch some of his other popular films and then watch this movie.
its great to see you guys watching this gem of a movie, its one of my all time favorite movies. most people dont get the meaning of the meeting with doc holiday and ringo when ringo does the dance with the pistole he's trying to show doc that he is better than him, but when doc not only does the exact moves that ringo did but with a small cup, he was actually letting ringo know that not only did he memorize the moves that ringo did but that he can out do him by doing it with a small off weighted cup.
Love this movie! Kurt Russell, Val Kilmer, Michael Biehn, Powers Booth, Dana Delaney, Thomas Haden Church, Michael Rooker, Sam Elliott, Bill Paxton, Jason Priestley, Billy Zane, Stephen Lang, John Corbett, Joanna Pacula, Jon Tenney, Harry Carey Jr., Billy Bob Thornton, and Charlton Heston star in this epic western film, based loosely on the life of Wyatt Earp. Narrated by Robert Mitchum
Kilmer murdered this role. In the best of ways. And the dealer in the one scene is Billy Bob Thornton. The Shakespearean actor is Billy Zane (might remember him from titanic). Michael Biehn is well known for Terminator. He was the guy that came back to save Sarah Connor.
Frank Stallone was Ed Bailey the one Doc Holliday stabbed at the poker game and let's not forget the one and only Charlton Heston as Rancher Henry hooker
Michael Biehn AND Bill Paxton were in Terminator. Michael Biehn AND Bill Paxton were in Tombstone. Michael Biehn AND Bill Paxton were in Aliens. Yet I don't think they'll be making any more movies together :^(
"Doc" Holliday was an actual dentist, but also suffered from tuberculosis. That is why he was always shown with sweat. And laudanum was a common medicine of that era which was quite heavy in opiate content.
A few "little known facts" for you: The Shoot Out at the OK Coral actually happened. Who fired the first shot is in question, though. It still stands in Tombstone AZ to this day (it may be a recreation, though, but the place where it all happened is well known). Wyatt Earp was a consultant in Hollywood for Westerns for many years. Doc Holliday was a licensed dentist. He was called a "lunger" 'cause he had Consumption, what we know today as Tuberculosis, which specifically attacks the lungs. Sam Elliot (Virgil) has been in many a Hollywood Western.
Yes, you are right. When I was in high school, I ate at the Tombstone City Park most days, the high school was less than half a mile away. The park is next to the OK Corral, the gunfight was directly behind the park.
@@G-grandma_Army I grew up near there and was a Police officer in Glenwood Springs. There is a crappy bar called Doc's. His grave is up on the hill above the town. The hospital that he was in is now a kind of gross apartment building
Almost-but-not-quite recognizing Billy Bob Thornton in 90s movies is perfectly understandable. His appearance and the characters he played changed so drastically from role to role.
First show I ever saw him in was The Outsiders tv series which was set as a sequel to the movie. It was also David Arquette's first role playing Two-Bit
I’ve watched this movie a hundred times and tonight was when I realized that was Billy Bob Thornton. It was also the first time I realized Charlton Heston is also in this.
Doc Holliday was the definition of Ride or Die with Wyatt. Craziest story that was true from the movie was the river shootout. Wyatt Earp really did do that. One of the Cowboys was hit and made his way to a barn and told the owner that he saw it all go down, and how amazing it was, before dying.
If you look up on RUclips Doc Holliday you learn a whole lot more about that man he was exactly what they say he is but it's a whole lot deeper than the movies
A little trivia from real life. After the vendetta ride, Wyatt settled down with Josephine Marcus and they were together for the rest of his life until he died in 1929. They wound up in Los Angeles in the early 1920s and Wyatt liked to hang out at the movie studios. There was a young prop man and bit player who was fascinated with Wyatt's stories and would listen to him for hours. He was especially impressed with the measured way that Wyatt talked, and adopted Wyatt's way of speaking as his own. The young prop man's name was Marion Morrison but he later changed his name to John Wayne. So when you listen to the slow and measured way that John Wayne talked, you are listening to a close approximation of Wyatt Earp's speech pattern.
To me, this is the greatest movie ever made. When they're sitting after the fight in the creek and Doc says 'Wyatt Earp is my friend', that is the VERY POINT of this movie.
Clint Eastwood in Pale Rider you won't be disappointed. Love your reactions hope you watch and react to it it will surprise you Thank you for your interest in westerns .
Doc's final scene crushes me. Every time. "There's no such thing as a perfect life, Wyatt.... there's just life. Now go on and live it. Say goodbye to me, go grab that spirited actress and make her your own. Take that and don't look back. Live every second, live right on through the end. Live Wyatt, live for me. Wyatt, if you were ever truly my friend, or if ya ever had just the slightest of feelin' for me, leave now, leave now, please."
It’s when he looks down at his feet and is like “I’ll be damned”, dude figured he was going to die with his boots on probably to a gun but instead, passed in a bed, bootless and sick.
The saloon scene with Doc Holliday spinning his cup was so impressive because he was copying Ringo's moves 1 to 1, his eyes were starting back and forth because he was studying the moves carefully. That's why Ringo got so serious and intense looking halfway through it, Doc showed his skill and sharpness without even having to draw.
He also did the whole routine with the cup because he knew they were trying to get him to draw so they could kill him. So he used the cup to not give them an excuse.
Dances With Wolves is not a "western" as most people think of them. It's EPIC and historic and military and beautiful and sad and a love story, etc. Must watch.
I love that Doc gives Johnny the draw, lets him start his move, and then totally dusts him with speed and accuracy. While looking like Walking Death Incarnate. What an acting job.
Another thing I noticed is that Doc didn’t reach for the pistol at his right hip, either. He went across to the gun in his belt, closer to his left arm which was holding the cigarette. Considering the position Doc was standing in, that must have been insanely fast.
@@XX2Media Great point, I mean it's right there in plain sight but I never caught it, yeah, the angle he's at, and the fact that he holsters his guns butt first, let him cross-draw like greased lightning! Obvious now what he was setting up for, with his left shoulder and hip thrust out all sidewise like a snake hehe. Thanks for pointing that out!
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid..Paul Newman and Robert Redford..also based on real outlaws. It's iconic, two of the biggest movie stars to ever live, they're incredible. Gorgeous movie, fun, action, tension..it's got it all.
Great movie, Jennifer. Another western that is based on real characters is Young Guns. And what's more, the stuff that seems like dramatization - I'm thinking of the scene where the chest gets thrown out of the second floor of a burning house and Billy the Kid comes out shooting - actually happened.
@@paulmiller3469 Yes, I love Young Guns, too. I think they'd really enjoy them. I was in my 20s back then, those were all the hot young actors, and I used to wait on Christian Slater regularly where I worked in LA..fun times. And of course they watched Bon Jovi doing 'Blaze of Glory' already
Dances with Wolves is a fantastic film. As an 11 year old, I sit through it 3 times in 2 days at the cinema. It was the film that made me want to make movies. As for Tombstone, one of the best of the Western revival kicked off by Dances with Wolves, and yes, Val Kilmer shsould have got an Oscar.
yeah i was in junior high when we saw DANCES W WOLVES in the theater on a field trip ...loved it so much i begged my mom to take me back a day later !!! so gooooood
I'm so glad you both loved this movie as much as so many of us did. Val Kilmer was robbed that he wasn't nominated for an Oscar for his performance here. Watching both of you light up as you watched it brought a smile to my face, thanks for the great reaction. All the best to you two!
The accent of Doc Holliday was a Georgian southern aristocrat accent that Val Kilmer managed to find via a dialect coach named Tim Monich. This dialect hadn't been spoken by a large population since the civil war, but Tim Monich actually had a recording with that very accent on it that he sent to Val. The accent is considered to be a dead accent, it's that rare.
The (mostly) true story of the gunfight at the O.K. Corral. Tombstone, Arizona is a real place I have been lucky enough to visit. Tourist destination now, but Wyatt, Doc, and the other characters in this movie were real people that actually experienced some version of these events. One of my all time favorite films.
In his later life during the 1900s he made a living as a Western movie adviser in Hollywood. Michael Behin, who played Ringo, was the protector of Sarah Connor, Reese. And the guy who was the table dealer who Wyatt ran off when they entered Toombstone was played by a vwry unrecognizable Billy Bob Thornton.
The story is based on actual events at Tombstone, AZ and the OK Corral. The Earps, Doc , Johnny Ringo, etc. were all real people. The resemblance between Kurt Russell and some photos of Wyatt Earp is amazing.
I'm from that part of the state and one time I finally decided to make the trek to Ringo's grave. It's about 15 miles or so off the main highway, highway 191, down a partially paved road, located next to a creek among some trees on a private ranch. There's a public access gate that allows anyone to just go in and down a path to the creek side. The grave is a rectangular shaped low pile of rocks.
@@jimmyboy131 I’m up in Tucson, I love love this movie but definitely gotta make the small trek down myself just to finally come full circle. Thanks for letting us know Ringos grave I’m gonna check it out
The two truly baddest men in Wild West history: 1) John Wesely Hardin, 2) Wild Bill Hickock & 3) William Barclay Masterson, aka "Bat" Masterson. Masterson killed John Wagner, the man who killed his brother Ed + he also killed the man who killed Legendary Dance Hall Queen "Dora Hand" Masterson killed at least four others in Gunfights and he credited Wyatt Earp for his longevity because Wyatt advised Masterson: "Being fast is good but accuracy is what counts..." Sage advice!
The only thing the movie took liberties with is that the evidence was that Johnny Ringo killed himself by that big oak tree. People were suspicious of Doc but Johnny had lost everything, all his friends, and even his horse had run off.
Val Kilmer put in one of the greatest movie performances ever. His imagining of Doc Holiday should/will go down in history along with the greats. Absolutely epic. This and Edward Nortons performance in Primal Fear are two of the best acting roles I've seen.
Everyone else has made great comments, so I will just say this: Laudunum was a common painkiller sold over the counter in the old west made primarily of alcohol, morphine and opium. It was considered to be "a harmless sedative" that could treat a wide variety of afflictions
Doc had bronchitis and pneumonia and went west to dry out, but he was dying slowly. Never buck a man who just plain doesn't care. And Doc was dying; he had nothing to lose.
@@jefftappan7973 No, Doc had tuberculosis (that's why you keep hearing him called "lunger" in the movie. A derogatory term used for tuberculosis patients at the time and why he is seen coughing blood), which at the time was untreatable. Of course it's highly treatable now with modern antibiotics
The most incredible thing about all this is that these men did exist. Tomstone is 18 miles from the I-10 in the state of Arizona. It is a magical town that is still preserved practically the same today. I recommend you visit it.
Michael Biehn, who played the character Johnny Ringo, was in both Terminator as Kyle Reese, the guy who came back to save Sarah Conner, and also in Aliens, as Corporal Hicks. Bill Paxton, who was one of the Earp brothers was also in Aliens as Private Hudson. Wyatt earp’s wife was an opium addict, and that’s what her sister in law gave her when she got off the train. Doc Holliday was a Dentist turned gambler, and had tuberculosis (hence the nickname “lunger”). The gunfight right after Wyatt is sworn in as a peace officer is the infamous “Fight at the O.K. Corral”. (Added: Ike Clanton actually was never hunted down and killed by Earp. I believe he died later either killed in a robbery, or hanged after being found guilty) Edited to add: the next cowboy movie needs to be The Outlaw Josie Wales!
Bill Paxton was also in the Terminator, He was one of the punks that Arnie kills right in the beginning, the one with the Tire Tread marks on his face...
The actor who played Ike was also in Gettysburg, which is a great movie for history buffs. Sam Elliot, who played Virgil, is in it as well. It has an all-star cast, and it’s pretty epic. I’d also recommend Alien/Aliens for a sci-fi movie. Like the Terminator, the sequel is better than the original, but they’re both really good.
Makes it even better when you know that this movie is pretty darn accurate, historically. Side note: It wasn't cancer. Doc Holliday had tuberculosos, aka "consumption" of the lungs.
@@donpietruk1517 Didn't know that about Val. So was his role in the new Top Gun movie, which is an Admiral with throat cancer played the way it was because he was really ill at the filming? In the movie he talks to Tom Cruise via a computer because the character has throat cancer and can't speak. How very curious.
The medicine Wyatt's wife was taking was called laudanum. It was a tincture of opium. (Tinctures are made by soaking the organic material in alcohol until the active compounds are extracted.) It was one of the quack "medicines" prescribed for all sorts of ailments mainly because it just got you very stoned so you forgot you had whatever problem you had. Highly addictive, obviously, and that was his wife's problem - she'd been prescribed the stuff for "nervous exhaustion" (a common way of saying she was unhappy with her life), and she got hooked on it. A common circumstance back then, when heroin was prescribed for toothaches and cocaine for headaches. Western medicine (literally), yay. 😂 Also, you'd be surprised at the success of Shakespeare in the old West. Remember how culturally uneventful these men's lives were - those saloon performances were one of the few types of entertainment available. (Political speeches were another; they could literally go on for hours.) When an acting troupe came through, it was a big deal. There would definitely be some acting up as you saw there. After all, these guys were bored AND excited, a potent combination. But once they settle down, the audiences could be surprisingly involved. One of my favorite stories concerns a performance of Othello in the old West (I think it was Texas), wherein the actor playing Iago (the villain who talks to the audience in order to spread his guilt around) was so good that a man stood up, yelled at him that he was a bastard, and _SHOT HIM DEAD._ Right there in front of everyone. Shakespeare is a mighty force, believe it.
😳 Wow. I guess it's true what they say. "When you die at the Palace, you really DIE at the Palace." I bet the critics were like, "Due to the unfortunate murder of Bill Shakespeare, the shooting of the Iago could be considered justifiable homicide." Or "This is the first foray of the director's experimentation with audience participation, and it has been concluded that there should be LESS participation from the audience."
When doc was spinning his cup in that bar he was letting ringo know that drinking is his first best thing to do and shooting is a second so he's a very good shot
Val Kilmer --- totally amazing performance. Laudanum was basically opium in a bottle, along with one or two other things. It was sold without a prescription in that day and time and people used it for all kinds of pain relief, since Tylenol and Ibuprofen hadn't made it on the scene, and aspirin was a few years away (although willow bark powder had the same active ingredient and was being used by doctors). Mattie, Wyatt's wife, was hooked on the stuff. Opiod addiction is nothing new, in other words. Love the reaction. This is a classic Western. Peace!
Also if someone hasn't mentioned it yet. The medicine Maddie is taking is called "laudanum". It was opium powder and alcohol mixed. So she was basically a heroin junkie, as at the time Opium/Opiates weren't illegal/controlled and heavily used in medicine and "snake oil's".
Laudanum is still technically legal to possess in Arizona. A bit of history, Maddie Blaylock; Wyatt's common law wife died by overdose of laudanum in Pinal City, a now ghost town just outside of Superior AZ.
Tombstone is epic. Truly one of the greatest films of all time. At the end when Doc looks at his feet and says, "Well, isn't that funny," it's because gunslingers were known for "dying with their boots on." Yet there he was lying in the bed with his bare feet. The cowboys and others called him "lung-er" because he had tuberculosis. Dances With Wolves, Legends of the Fall, Australia, The Patriot, and Gladiator are all fantastic historical dramas (with enough action to keep Jay happy).
The crazy Wyatt shootout with Curly Bill really happened too, with the movie just tweaking some details. Afterwards in real life Wyatt's coat had numerous bullet holes with none of the shots having even scratched him.
It was a spiritual fight more than it was a natural fight. Wyatt had God on his side. Go look up the spiritual things that happened to save people from the revolutionary war all the way to today's wars.
Val Kilmer is one of those actors I call a shape-shifter--he can pull off just about any identity--as he so masterfully proved in Tombstone; he really stole the show amongst a whole cast of great actors playing great characters. This talent was taken to great heights when he played the title character in The Saint--not as big of a box-office hit but still shows of his mastery.
Your father is right Amber, “Dances with Wolves” is one of the best westerns ever. Everything is great in it, story, cast, really everything! You definitely have to check that one out next!
"Unforgiven" with Clint Eastwood is a genius movie. Also, "Ravenous" and "Blood Tomahawk" are two movies that mix the Western movie trope with horror. I think both are brilliant movies that show what a good script and good acting can do to bring a new sense of tension and terror when heroes with six shooters and shotguns have to fight vampires and cannibals.
I remember when I saw this in theaters, The scene when Doc steps out of the shadows and says "I'm your huckleberry" when we were expecting Wyatt, the whole theater just let out a huge roar of applause. Will always be one of those top in-theater moments. I have seen this movie more times than I can count but it never gets old. I had a crush on Dana Delany and Val Kilmer after this movie.
One of my favorite parts of the Doc Holiday vs Johnny Ringo fight is when Doc confidently says, "Say when." and then smirks. He gave Johnny the huuuge advantage of starting the gun fight, which means Doc was essentially saying "You're not my equal. You need a handicap." to his face.
The Cross-Arm holster is also a more difficult draw than a standard hip-draw, because you don't get to aim correctly. He carried with two cross-arm holsters in this movie as more a show-off thing, though I haven't seen documentation that says Doc carried that way. If he did, it was probably the most Western version of a 'flex' you could do. He'd have to be INCREDIBLY good at 'intuitive aiming' (aiming without looking down the sights) to be remotely accurate, which would mean HOURS of effort to learn to do it. There are other gunmen who similarly handicapped themselves in the past, including not even using holsters. Some gunmen of the old West were so fast they could fight the draw disadvantage of ROPE and still win a duel. Hell, Wild Bill was so fast he drew both pistols and fired while be shot in the back with no warning. (Naturally, he didn't kill his shooter, but that was how fast his draw instincts kicked in.)
Here's the crazy part, Wyatt Earp in California worked with a studio to re enact some of his adventures on film. He met a young "go-for" (a person who goes and grabs lunch, etc) that he took to and taught so much. That go-for, became known as the Legendary John Wayne
Amber was asking about the laws. I was in Tombstone once and in boothill cemetary there are many headstones marked unknown. some were hanged by accident or trampled in cattle stampede or shot cheating at cards. The headstones say these very things. Most of the dialogue during the gunfight at the OK corral was the actual dialogue when it really happened. You should research the scene where Curly BIll dies. The amount of bullets that did not hit Wyatt was truly amazing.
I'm sure I read that Wyatt Earp was never hit by a bullet in his whole life. And considering the life he had I find that amazing... If its true anyway😂
The still have Wyatt's coat, boots, and saddle (or at least they did about six years back) in the museum at Tombstone from when he killed Curly Bill. His coat had been shot multiple times thru the sides, he had a bullet stuck in the heel of his boot, and his saddle had several grazes by bullet rounds. The man simply couldn't be touched. He also ended up delivering the killing shot from about 50 feet away after Curly Bill missed with his own shotgun. Some people just seem constructed for the fight and Wyatt Earp was definitely one of them. Guy lived a wild life and he wasn't always the 'good guy' (he was actually kind of an ass) which I find very human. What's even more crazy is how he came to be. He married at age 21 and actually was going to be a farmer. Bought land and had started the simple life. But then his pregnant wife passed away due to typhoid and it poisoned him, so to speak. Had that moment not happened, we may never have had the man who ended up ending the Cochise County Cowboys.
Two notes for Amber: - What the movie said about cowboys originally being gangsters or whatever is just not true. Cowboys were first and foremost cow herders. Some then became outlaws. But gangsterism was not the origin of the cowboy. - Ringo was played by Michael Biehn, who was Kyle Reese (John Connor's dad) in Terminator.
As Doc is passing, he looks down at his uncovered feet in almost disbelief. He swore he would always die with his boots on, but in the end, his feet weren't covered at all.
Just to clarify, the "Cowboys" was a gang, like in the movie. However, there also were cowboys as a profession (basically a cowhand or rancher), which was not affiliated with the gang. A person could have been a cowboy (the job), without being a Cowboy (the gang member).
Its was, in real life. Almost like a union at first. Cowboys protecting Cowboys. . . . Sadly, it quickly became a criminal enterprise in real life. Racketeering, extortion, murder. You name it.
Many people miss the connection to the priest's prophecy in the beginning to Ringo and the cowboys and Doc Holliday's character (the pale horse) fulfilling of it. Great writing in this movie.
@@kennethbruce2141 Uh.. Ok.. That doesn't change what I said that it is Wyatt and not Holiday. It doesn't say the rider was dying (Holiday). It says the rider was death. Wyatt was the leader and rider. He was "death" to the cowboys and the only one that said that he's bringing hell with him. You don't need to jump through hoops to figure out who the rider is. It's Wyatt.
Val Kilmer as Doc is one of the best performances of all time, if you haven’t watched any spaghetti westerns like the good the bad and the ugly you definitely should. Love the channel
I know this is late, but Doc Holliday was related to Margaret Mitchell, who wrote Gone With the Wind. Doc was represented in the book 54:14 partially as Ashley Wilkes. Both had a love for music, literature, fine art, and cards. The woman Doc loved, but couldn't marry, was his cousin Melanie who became a nun when they couldn't marry. He carried a love for her for the rest of his life. Margaret Mitchell wrote Melanie and Ashley marrying as homage to the love Doc Holliday had for his cousin Melanie. Scarlett was the one instead mourning for a love she couldn't have.
Love that you love Doc Holliday in this movie, cause he’s the same actor who plays Jim Morrison in the Doors biopic. Amber you would love that movie! Such a trippy movie and really tells the story of Jim Morrison as well as could be told
Val Kilmer is amazing in almost every movie he's made...In addition to being awesome in the Doors...I think his second best performance was in "Wonderland." He is such a horrible person in that film.
Just making sure y’all know that these are historical characters that actually existed 😊 Great cast! Look up the real Wyatt Earp.. Kurt Russell looks almost identical in this movie!
@@hellokittyx7 My Brother lives in Chandler AZ near Phoenix and if I'm out there for my Birthday we go to Tombstone .... My Birthday is the same date as the Gunfight at the O.K. Corral and I let them know it at the reenactment and we get a front row seat! At Boothill you can see the graves of the guys who were killed in the Gunfight!
Long live the Great Kurt Russell. He produced, helped write, stared and even directed (uncredited). This movie would have never been made without him. On of the THE BEST westerns ever made. In my top 5 for sure! (the man who shot liberty valance is my 1)
@@Lpace3 heck ya. the lighting (forgotten art) Story, Acting, Directing. I do believe its the first "anti-hero" in westerns. Some say the beginning of the American anti-hero.
One of the few movies I can ALWAYS watch when it is on and never be tired of. This was hands down Val Kilmers best role and the fact he did not get an Oscar for it is a shame. What throat cancer has done to him since then is an even bigger shame.
When Doc is twirling the cup it was a very clever move. He could save face without escalating the situation whilst not giving away his actual speed to Ringo. Val Kilmer killed this role.
Doc copied Ringo's twirling quite well despite being drunk. You see Ringo's confidence drain from his face when Doc is doing the twirling with the cup. That's the reason he challenged Wyatt and was avoiding Doc.
@@Orchid11nx yeah, Ringo was clearly a solid gunfighter and knew a thing or two about it. That's why, like you said, he knew Doc, drunk with a teacup, was way out of his league.
I had just recovered from a near fatal car accident when this movie came out. I was attending a community college and a few guys and I went to see it on a Friday night. We were supposed to meet up with some girls at one of their houses afterwards to hang out. The six of us were the only ones watching it, so we ended up paying to watch it two more times. We never did meet up with the girls. On Monday they saw us in our first class and demanded to know why we never came by. When I told them that we ended up watching the movie three times in a row, they said that wasn’t a good enough reason. The instructor said he watched the movie too and told the girls it was definitely a good reason.
AMBER AT 10:50 "I REALLY LIKE DOC"! ME CHUCKLING TO MYSELF AND SAYING YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET!!! VAL KILMER AS DOC HOLLIDAY HAS SOME OF THE MOST ICONIC LINES EVER TO BE SPOKEN ON FILM IN THIS MOVIE!!! GOD BLESS YOU VAL KILMER STAY WELL!!
An oft overlooked nuance that Val brought to his portrayal of Doc is the way Doc responded to danger. During the street scene where Doc has reunited with the Earps and the gunfight spills out of the saloon, the sound of the first shot startles everyone but Doc. While they were all ducking and looking for cover, Doc never even twitches. The man's veins were full of ice.
@@YolandaAnneBrown95726if the director would have told him to react he would have reacted the director told him not to react it doesn't say anything about the real Doc Holliday
A highly romanticized version of events, however, a very accurate depiction of many of the events. The vengeance ride, Wyatt and his group only killed 4 people. But Curly Bill Brocius, according to all accounts and newspaper articles is very accurate, including Wyatt yelling NO before Wyatt shot him.
Costner's Wyatt Earp is more accurate, but no where near as much fun. Tombstone isn't history, it's the myth and Tombstone is far more interesting as a myth than a historical event.
@@Mauther Exactly and the Costner version bores the shit out of me. I know it’s more historically accurate and while there’s some accuracy in Tombstone, a lot of it is just legend. Still, it makes for such an amazing movie compared to the Costner version. If I want true historical accuracy, I’ll watch a documentary. When I watch a movie, I want the legends thrown in. Exactly like what they did with Braveheart. If that was told with historical accuracy, it wouldn’t be near the awesome movie it is.
Val Kilmer is such an amazing actor. The reason it took you a while to figure out who is playing dock Holiday is because Val Kilmer literally becomes whoever he’s portraying in a movie. This movie is a great example of that another great example is the movie The Doors where he transforms into Jim Morrison.
Charlton Heston‘s cameo appearance was right on the money. One of the greatest actors of all time and the lead actor in my two favorite movies of all time The original Ben Hur and the 10 Commandments. Great reaction guys.
Also Charlton Heston starred in many great Westerns like "Will Penny", "Major Dundee", "Pony Express" and my personal favorite "Arrowhead" with Jack Palance as the baddie.
Such a great movie with an amazing cast. Everyone was perfect for the role they played in this. And yes Amber, Sam Elliott’s voice is iconic, and he always plays the coolest characters. He was in ‘Mask’ with Cher back in the ‘80’s and that’s when I realized how great he is. You guys should check that one out when you get a chance. It’s a true story about a boy with a facial anomaly and his ‘rough around the edges’ mother who did everything possible to make his life as normal (whatever that is) as possible.
I think the youngest that I've ever seen Sam Elliott was in the miniseries, The Sacketts. Even then, he looked as old as my Dad. And he was born in 1940.
Val Kilmer was amazing as Doc Holliday. So was Michael Biehn as Johnny Ringo. They played off of one another so well. The most intelligent of Wyatt Earps crew and the most intelligent of the Cowboys, or The Red Sashes. This is one of my top 3 favorite movies. I love this shit!!!
Oh. Two other things: Doc was dying from Tuberculosis. During that time, it was a fatal disease. Also, laudanum(Maddie's medicine) was basically liquid opium used by ladies for headaches and other aches and pains. As mentioned in the movie it was highly addictive, like any narcotic.
I'm proud to say that I had a friend like Doc Holiday. His name was Douglas Arthur Davies. We were friends from the time I was 9 until I was 21 and he was murdered. I miss him everyday. There is a picture of him and I above my head as I type this. He was my wing man, my roommate and my best friend. Rest In Peace Little Dougie. 🙏
The actor who portrayed Ringo , Michael Biehn, also played "Reese" in the first "Terminator" movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger & Linda Hamilton as Sara Connors. Powers Boothe played an excellent villain as the red shirted "cowboy" Curly Bill Brocius. Lots of good actors in this movie, Val Kilmer as Doc, Sam Elliott as Virgil, Bill Paxton as Morgan
@@rangerhawk He's been in a ton of movies. He was the SEAL team commander in both "The Rock" and "Navy SEALs". I always thought it was a shame he didn't have a more prominent career and become more well known.
A lot of great actors in this one. I also noticed something for the first time. Charlton Heston from "Planet of the Apes" - 1968 and "Ben Hur" - 1959, had a cameo in this movie. You can see it at 42:59 and 44:46. Great stuff! 😀
This movie shows how awesome an actor Vil Kilmer is. It is truly tragedy that throat cancer has robbed him of his ability to speak.
There is a documentary on Val.. I believe that have implanted a device that uses samples of his voice when he speaks.
Tuberculosis is what Doc had
@@KneeJerkReactions13 Yes.
My favorite roles of his are Nick Rivers in "Top Secret", Madmartigan in "Willow" and Chris Knight in "Real Genius"
@@Kiernan5 forgot about those movies loved "Real Geniuses" a classic. And God said, "Stop touching yourself." Lol
Top Secret when he pulls the "Anal Intruder 2000" out from under his Nazi prison bunk.... priceless. 🤣
Doc holiday was a dentist and gambler who suffered from tuberculosis. That’s why they called him lunger. He should have gotten an award for that role. Glad you two liked it.
He was from Georgia and moved west for the dryer climate.
More than likely contracted TB from his Mother. His older adopted brother died from it as well.
That's why he was sweating and coughing
TB killed so many ppl from 1800s to 1950s.
It’s a shame he never got an award…. But I think the fact that majority of people whom watch the movie and more westerns regard val kilmers rendition of doc holiday as the best western character and performance 30 years later is worth much much more to an actor than an award
In the scene where Ringo and Doc show off their "pistol skills" at the bar, everyone laughs when Doc starts twirling his cup. But Ringo recognizes that Doc is able to exactly recreate what he did while drunk and barely making an effort. He recognizes how dangerous Doc really is at that moment.
You just made all that up.
I love that when you go visit tombstone in the gift shop there is just a whole shelf of simple, tin cups 🤣🤣
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Even before that Ringo drew his gun on him. Ringo showed his hand to Doc the Poker Player
You can really see it in Ringo's face just how much Doc has intimidated him with that one simple act. The confidence slowly drains out of his eyes. A brilliant bit of acting by Michael Biehn to show with just his face just how much that bit of cup twirling really shook him.
John Henry Holiday, aka, Doc, was born in Georgia. He was college educated as a dentist, hence the nickname "Doc". He developed Teburculosis and moved west to a more arid, less humid environment. People with TB were known as "lungers" and would often move west to help ease their condition. Besides being a helluva poker player and gun slinger, he also spoke three languages, Latin being one of them. He was known to travel with a lady dubbed "big nose Kate". Doc and Wyatt were friends up to Doc's death. He's one of my favorites of the old west...as I am also a Georgian.
Am as I, I always love bragging Doc was from here. I'll give you a sub Maam, nice to meet a fellow Georgin here.
Doc and Wyatt were not friends until death
This is an iconic Val Kilmer role..he should've won every award there is for it. The cast is full of incredible people top to bottom, the story is amazing, the director created an amazing atmosphere and tension, but also some light moments. Just a masterpiece for me.
I also thought it was awesome that Billy Bob Thornton was in it. I saw the movie maybe 10 times before I recognized him. 😂
Michael Beian should have won an award as Johnny Ringo
For me Val Kilmer's acting is the best part of this film. 41:47 And I most like that part when the other other guy says he has lots of friends and Doc says: I don't.
It’s arguably his best role of his career
Thomas Haden Church is one of the Cowboys Michael Richter also one of the Cowboys that becomes part of Wyatt Earp pose
They say when Doc was dying, Val Kilmer was laying on a bed of ice, to make sure he looked shaky and close to death. Now tell me he didn't give his all to the role. Val Kilmer deserved an Academy Award for his role as Doc Holiday..
You're missing an L in my name, 😉🤠
It's a shame he wasn't nominated or won along with the movie.
By far the peak of his career!
Yes 🎥
@@SteveC-w8h. For sure 👍🏾
"He'll Doc, I got a lot of friends."
"I don't."
Tears every time. Val Kilmer stole the show.
The man who says h*** doc I've got lots of friends, Have you ever noticed his medallion. He's wearing a Freemason's medallion Italian, I always figured he was referring to his brothers at the lodge.
Yes sir! Wyatt is very lucky for that extreme friendship with Doc. I would give my right arm to have a friendship like that.
@@brettwellman1663 Very Observant
Such a great line.
One of the best lines ever..especially with Val's drawl...
“Where’s Wyatt?”
“Down by the creek. Walking on water.”
Best line ever.
Agree
I prefer “I’m your huckleberry…”
@@hadnick1 Hell yeah, both lines are great, but "I'm your huckleberry" is the most famous for sure.
“Have you ever seen that before?”
“Hell, I ain’t never heard of that before.”
@@hadnick1 It's not Huckleberry lol it's Huckle-Bearer. The Huckle is the handle on the side of a casket. In other words he was saying "I'll carry your casket once your dead" lol
The real John Henry "Doc" Holliday was a fascinating character. Born back east and trained as a dentist, he traveled around with a partner for a while doing dentistry until the "consumption" (tuberculosis) he'd caught earlier from his mother, which was incurable back then and typically fatal, made that impossible. So, he quit the dental business and moved to the southwest where the dry weather was thought to be healthier for people with the disease. He ended up becoming a gambler and a sometime gunslinger. He befriended Wyatt Earp after saving him down in Texas. They knocked around the southwest and eventually ended up in Tombstone, AZ where the movie takes place. While the movie script takes a lot of artistic license with the facts, many of the events in the movie really happened, including the famous gunfight at the O.K. Corral.
You recognized Val Kilmer (Doc), but several other popular actors of that time were in the movie, including Michael Biehn ("Terminator", "Aliens") who played Johnny Ringo, Bill Paxton ("Terminator", "Aliens", and many more) who played Morgan Earp, the amazing Sam Elliott ("Mask", "Big Lebowski", "A Star is Born", etc.) who played Virgil Earp, Michael Rooker ("Walking Dead"), Billy Bob Thornton, Powers Boothe, Billy Zane ("Titanic"), Dana Delaney, as well as cameos from old-time actors like Charlton Heston, Harry Carey, Jr. and Robert Mitchum (narrator). Still one of my favorite movies!
and one of my favorites SAM ELLIOTT!!! 👍😃👍
You forgot Sam Elliott as Virgil Earp, the most epic voice and famous stash in Hollywood
Ever notice Dr. King Schultz in Django was a former dentist??? My daughter caught it faster than my dumb ass.
You forgot the deep voice of Sam Eliot playing Virgil Earp! 🤔😏 Oh yeah... and Charlton Heston too... :)
What's so amazing is that Val Kilmer did his research and was on point with everything. From the looks to his mannerisms. He even captured the lost Savannah, GA accent (which was a little slower than what Val Kilmer did) which was nearly gone after the Civil War.
When he yelled “HELL’S COMING WITH ME!” everyone in the sold out movie theatre went bonkers. Easily one of the most incredible moments I ever had at the movies.
Especially after the reference to Revelation that Ringo made earlier. All Wyatt needed was a pale horse.
I'm still pissed I waited a decade to watch it. Bet it was incredible indeed.
he filled the prediction of the priest except the horse
@@laapache1 It’s from the Bible King James version, Revelation 6:8 And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with the beasts of the earth
That was epic, everytime gives me goosebumps
Billy Bob Thornton is the guy who looked familiar. This movie truly is an absolute ALL STAR cast.
A little explanation about Doc's last line. When he looked at his bare feet and said "That's funny!", he was referring to the fact he was barefoot. He had always said he would die with his boots on, as in a gunfight. He was amazed he had survived long enough to die a natural death.
The cemetery in Tombstone is nicknamed Boot Hill for all the gunslingers that "died with their boots on" who are buried there.
Doc Holliday didn't necessarily die a natural death. It was tuberculosis that killed him.
Doc suffers from TB commonly known as consumption in those times. He does not fear dying cos he already is. The pale skin and sweat is part of the affliction.
This is a legendary tale and all the characters were real people and the story is mostly true.
Add the scene how Johnny Ringo compliments himself after shooting the priest at the wedding and quotes the Revelation verse of the pale horse rider named Death.
Doc Holliday is pale, deadly, and much better than Ringo
Tuberculosis in the Old West was as leprosy was in Biblical times.
You had to wear something that people could see and hear to let them know that you were sick and they gave you a wide birth.
*_"Evidently, Mr. Ringo is an educated man.....now I really hate him."_*
Love that line.
It’s a self reflection line to Doc himself which many don’t catch onto 🙂
I guess doc sees the outlaw life style as a desperate one and the fact Ringo is educated but chooses to live like that makes him hate him just like doc probably hates himself
I was 11 when this was released in the theatres and lucky enough to have a cool grandfather who loved westerns. The cinema played this so loud. The gunfights were like canon fire. Rip pops.
Doc was a outlaw who really was a hero.
Wyatt was a law man who people thought was a hero but was a criminal if he needed to be.
They had the perfect friendship 😊
"Dances With Wolves" and "The Last Of The Mohicans" are two of the best stories ever put to film. Both are reaction worthy.
While I agree that both of those movies are amazing movies that should absolutely be watched, I don't agree that you go directly from Tombstone to either of those. In my opinion, I would suggest that there are a few other movies that a newbie to the genre should watch before progressing to those somewhat less action-packed films. Young Guns, Pale Rider, and Unforgiven just to name a few.
Let’s put the vote in for both of those. All time greats.
I will also agree that both of those movies are amazing films. But Dances With Wolves (while one of my favorite movies) isn't a particularly original story. If you've seen Avatar, Fern Gully, or Pocahontas, you've basically seen Dances. But Dances did it best by far! Avatar had the effects, but Wind In His Hair's last lines make me cry every time I see that movie! And agreed, watch the theatrical release version.
One of the things about westers is they very a lot. Tombstone, Dances with Wolves, Last of the Mohicans & A Fistful of Dollars are all very different.
Pale Rider is a great one, definitely!
Val Kilmer should have won an Oscar for his portrayal. Doc Holliday, while a criminal in truth, is a hero!! Vals portrayal is the best in the many of him. The "Hell's coming with me" scene gives EVERYONE goosebumps!! Tombstone is the most accurate telling of Wyatt Earp and his "Immortals". It's crazy!! Doc Holliday died from tuberculosis. Lots of people did back then. They called him "Doc" because he was a trained Dentist. LOL
Facts, Top ten character ever for me "I'm your Huckleberry" still classic AF line
Most cowboys and others in the Wild West didn't die so much from gunshot wounds, but died either from pneumonia or riding accidents.
This movie getting shafted cemented the fact the oscars are garbage to me.
Costner’s “Wyatt Earp”, which is the movie this one got shafted for, is actually a little more accurate. And the guy who plays Doc does a good job in that one too. But Tombstone is a way better film, and Kilmer’s portrayal of Doc is superior as well.
@@shalakabooyaka1480I agree.
Kilmer's Doc Holliday is one of the best performances I've ever seen. I've seen this movie at least a dozen times and I never tire of the way he pulls you in like a magnet whenever he's on screen
The strength of this role was the reason he was cast as Batman. Which didn't turn out to be nearly this good.
@@dawest767 his entire career was playing these kinds of parts (Real Genius, Top Gun, Heat): slick, cocky, kind of a dick but comes from a good place. He just turns it up to an 11 with this part and kills it. He should have just kept doing that for the rest of his career instead of trying and failing at Batman.
@@moviescatsmargs I don't know if it's fair to say he failed at Batman, he talks about it in his documentary. He was offered the sequel and he pissed everyone off for not taking it. He was pissed he was the straight man in that movie playing support role essentially to Jim Carrey.
@@mattkirby994 True and I would place a lot of blame on the direction and writing of that movie but his performance is kind of wooden. If that's the byproduct of his being pissed off about feeling sidelined by Carrey's star power, so be it but playing Batman is not about charisma which Kilmer had in abundance. Would have liked to see his Two-Face in that movie...
@@moviescatsmargs I don't remember everything he said about it but he discussed it pretty extensively as I recall. You should check the doc out if you haven't seen it
These were your best reactions to any of the movies you've done so far. It was a pleasure watching with you.
There is so much you didn’t catch, so I will give you something. Doc was dentist who was a lunger- that’s what they call someone who has TB because it destroys your lungs. Kate his girlfriend was known as big nose Katie Elder. Watch the Sons of Katie Elder starting John Wayne. Doc was Val Kilmer who was Iceman from Top Gun. You said you were not sure if you liked this movie better than Terminator… surprise you didn’t like Ringo because he thought he was faster than Doc, but you loved him in Terminator. The actor is Michael Bein who was Reese who saved Sarah Connor. Good actor huh.
Also he is in Alien2 (Aliens) who helps save the day. That’s the sign of a good supporting actor when he can make you hate him in 1 film than love in other films. This movie was based loosely on the gunfight at OK Corral. I like your reactions because you are so young you haven’t seen or heard of these movies or fact. It’s refreshing. There was a bunch of actors you need to google they have connections from other movies. Michael Bein(Ringo) and Will Paxson(Morgan) from Aliens. Mad cap Johnny is Billy Bob Thornton from Slingblade and Armageddon. Too much to say … next cowboy movie to see is Unforgiven - Clint Eastwood or The Original Magnificent 7 and the remake with Denzel Washington so you can compare them. Lastly Moses was in this film and Ben Hur.
Sorry this so long … it is 1 of my favorite movies and you 2 are 2 of my favorite reactors.
"Unforgiven" staring and directed by the legendary Clint Eastwood is considered by many to be the best "modern" western. It won the Oscar for best picture as well as one for best director. Another great one is "Silverado".
Unforgiven!!! Amazing
SILVERADO. Absolutely.
Both are good suggestions!
Unforgiven is fantastic and a movie they should definitely see! I never saw Silverado, so I can't speak on that one.
Great
"I'm your huckleberry."
In my opinion, Val Kilmer's greatest role. His portrayal as Doc Holliday was what made this film. Also, Val Kilmer wasn't even nominated for a Best Supporting Actor Oscar, but he should have been.
#ShowStealer
He is the best Doc Holliday I have seen
"Prettiest man I ever saw". He was right too. lol He's "purty".
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As much as I love Dennis Quaid, his Doc Holliday doesn’t even come close to the brilliance of Val Kilmer’s Doc.
Val should have won an Oscar, a Big Bird, and an Ernie &Bert.
undeniably one of Val Kilmer's best performances of all time. he was so fitting for that character.
Kilmer stayed in-character throughout shooting. Michael Biehn (Ringo, who you might also recognize as Kyle Reese from "Terminator" and Corporal Hicks from "Aliens") was asked once what it was like to work with Val Kilmer on this film. He replied, "I've never worked with Val Kilmer. I've worked with Doc Holliday".
@@michaelccozens Michael Biehn was also in "The Abyss".
IMHO it was the best film he ever made! Better than "Topgun." (I was in the Navy then, served on an aircraft carrier, and "Topgun" had more fallacies and inaccuracies in it that it was unwatchable for me.)
I am very surprised that neither of you have heard of 'Gunfight at the OK Coral'. When the four of them in Tombstone had the gunfight in the yard, that was the gunfight at the OK Coral. This story has been portrayed in so many movies and TV shows. The story in general was a true story, and Wyatt never even got injured during his entire career. Wyatt was married during all of this, but it was not a happy marriage, so you can see why he fell in love with the actress (the very attractive Dana Delaney). After killing the Clayton Clan, he moved to Los Angeles, retired from any public service and was a consultant in Hollywood for westerns. Many of the people he ran into in California did not believe his stories. Also, one of the young actors he tutored was a young actor in his teens named Marion Morrison - AKA John Wayne! It is told that John Wayne styled his walk after Wyatt Earp.
Going from "This is a genre I would never watch." to "That was absolutely amazing!" was wonderful to see. Tombstone is indeed an excellent film.
I’m actually named after the real Earp brothers and my first name is Wyatt and I was named after Wyatt Earp and Wyatt is my first name and I was really given that name when I was a baby and so Wyatt is my first name and I was named after Wyatt Earp and even though my name isWyatt kahoalii Aiu but my first name is Wyatt and my name is famous and so I’m named after Wyatt Earp
I hate westerns. Nothing against them, just really not my cup of tea. After a few shorts, I gotta see this one just for Kilmer’s performance. I can understand their sentiment.
"Cowboys" was a general term for ranch hand. "The cowboys" was just a catchy label they gave themselves. Kind of like if a gang called themselves "the bros". It was just a label, not literally what cowboys in general were known as.
But at the time and place, working cowboys were generally called "vaqueros".
@@magnificentfailure2390 yep, i just mean that "cowboys" as we know them didn't originate from that gang, like them 2 seemed to think.
@@joeberger3441 These two seem quite oblivious to many things that should be common knowledge. In fact, I was thinking...When are these two going to realize that Doc has Tuberculosis. Considering the fact that these two graduated from a University & are school teachers, you would think they would know enough American history to be familiar with the Gunfight at the O.K. Corral. Back then the term ~ "Consumption" was a common term for Tuberculosis. That specific term is used in this film, but of course these two Scholars don't pick up on that. It's also shameful how Jordan uses horrendous grammar & falls back on ghetto expressions frequently. It's no wonder America's public school system is in the toilet.
@@JohnJohnson-mo4bn well that and it was directly mentioned in the introduction that he has tuberculosis lol
Cochise county cowboys.
The fact that Jay finally realized Doc was played by Val Kilmer at 33:25 while lightning strikes above their heads in the scene is hilarious and perfectly timed! 😂😂😂
Yeah but they didn't notice that Ringo was actor Michael Bein who was Reese in Terminator
Lmao! Man I had no idea neither that Val was in this film until I saw the trailer. And man I was not prepared for just how amazing he was in this role. He got so into it and it’s soooo different from his other roles. The trick to appreciating his performance in this is to watch some of his other popular films and then watch this movie.
@@rcherry1978 They did not realize the dealer was Billy Bob Thorton, but "he seemed familiar" thought that was funny.
No one wants to talk about Ike tho?
its great to see you guys watching this gem of a movie, its one of my all time favorite movies. most people dont get the meaning of the meeting with doc holiday and ringo when ringo does the dance with the pistole he's trying to show doc that he is better than him, but when doc not only does the exact moves that ringo did but with a small cup, he was actually letting ringo know that not only did he memorize the moves that ringo did but that he can out do him by doing it with a small off weighted cup.
Love this movie!
Kurt Russell, Val Kilmer, Michael Biehn, Powers Booth, Dana Delaney, Thomas Haden Church, Michael Rooker, Sam Elliott, Bill Paxton, Jason Priestley, Billy Zane, Stephen Lang, John Corbett, Joanna Pacula, Jon Tenney, Harry Carey Jr., Billy Bob Thornton, and Charlton Heston star in this epic western film, based loosely on the life of Wyatt Earp.
Narrated by Robert Mitchum
Buck Taylor as well!
Right! Talk about an all star cast! 😍
I've not seen any reactor that knows of Charlton Heston.
That's an impressive list of names. But you forgot a very important one. That's right, you guessed it........FRANK STALLONE.
All of it held together by Kurt Russell, he stepped in and took charge of the production of this film when it started to fall apart.
Kilmer murdered this role. In the best of ways. And the dealer in the one scene is Billy Bob Thornton. The Shakespearean actor is Billy Zane (might remember him from titanic). Michael Biehn is well known for Terminator. He was the guy that came back to save Sarah Connor.
Frank Stallone was Ed Bailey the one Doc Holliday stabbed at the poker game and let's not forget the one and only Charlton Heston as Rancher Henry hooker
Also, Zane was The Mummy.
@@rostand5264 No, he wasn't. That was Arnold Vosloo.
@@rostand5264 Zane was in Titanic
Michael Biehn AND Bill Paxton were in Terminator.
Michael Biehn AND Bill Paxton were in Tombstone.
Michael Biehn AND Bill Paxton were in Aliens.
Yet I don't think they'll be making any more movies together :^(
Val Kilmer in one of the best performances of his career. Most definitely should have gotten an Oscar for this role.
"Doc" Holliday was an actual dentist, but also suffered from tuberculosis. That is why he was always shown with sweat. And laudanum was a common medicine of that era which was quite heavy in opiate content.
Therefore it was addictive
That was why he couldn't continue practicing dentistry the tuberculosis.
A few "little known facts" for you: The Shoot Out at the OK Coral actually happened. Who fired the first shot is in question, though. It still stands in Tombstone AZ to this day (it may be a recreation, though, but the place where it all happened is well known). Wyatt Earp was a consultant in Hollywood for Westerns for many years. Doc Holliday was a licensed dentist. He was called a "lunger" 'cause he had Consumption, what we know today as Tuberculosis, which specifically attacks the lungs. Sam Elliot (Virgil) has been in many a Hollywood Western.
Yes, you are right. When I was in high school, I ate at the Tombstone City Park most days, the high school was less than half a mile away. The park is next to the OK Corral, the gunfight was directly behind the park.
It seems like Doc Holliday found his way to Glenwood Springs, Colorado thinking the spring water would help.
@@nickma71 I seem to remember eating someplace in Colorado as a kid and there was a hole in the wall that “they said” was a shootout with Dic Holiday.
the actual gunfight was in a vacant lot on Fremont Street next to C.S. Fly's photography studio which is down the street from the rear of the OK Coral
@@G-grandma_Army I grew up near there and was a Police officer in Glenwood Springs. There is a crappy bar called Doc's. His grave is up on the hill above the town. The hospital that he was in is now a kind of gross apartment building
Almost-but-not-quite recognizing Billy Bob Thornton in 90s movies is perfectly understandable. His appearance and the characters he played changed so drastically from role to role.
He was chubby then ... He lost a lot of weight!
It's usually not facial recognition either, it's almost always "wait a second, I know that hick-ass voice..."
First show I ever saw him in was The Outsiders tv series which was set as a sequel to the movie. It was also David Arquette's first role playing Two-Bit
I’ve watched this movie a hundred times and tonight was when I realized that was Billy Bob Thornton. It was also the first time I realized Charlton Heston is also in this.
Ever seen the thriller Don't Breathe? I looked up the terrifying Blind Man's name. Could NOT BELIEVE it was the dude playing cowardly ass Ike.
"You going to do something or just stand there and bleed?" is one of the coldest lines in cinematic history.
Doc Holliday was the definition of Ride or Die with Wyatt. Craziest story that was true from the movie was the river shootout. Wyatt Earp really did do that. One of the Cowboys was hit and made his way to a barn and told the owner that he saw it all go down, and how amazing it was, before dying.
Their friendship ended because Doc wouldnt stop teasing Wyatt about marrying a jew. Not joking that’s what actually happened lmao
If you look up on RUclips Doc Holliday you learn a whole lot more about that man he was exactly what they say he is but it's a whole lot deeper than the movies
And I believe the exchange at the ok corral, where he stands with his arms spread and said "Your a daisy if you do?" actually happened to?
In truth there was no river where Wyatt shot Curly Bill.
A little trivia from real life. After the vendetta ride, Wyatt settled down with Josephine Marcus and they were together for the rest of his life until he died in 1929. They wound up in Los Angeles in the early 1920s and Wyatt liked to hang out at the movie studios. There was a young prop man and bit player who was fascinated with Wyatt's stories and would listen to him for hours. He was especially impressed with the measured way that Wyatt talked, and adopted Wyatt's way of speaking as his own. The young prop man's name was Marion Morrison but he later changed his name to John Wayne. So when you listen to the slow and measured way that John Wayne talked, you are listening to a close approximation of Wyatt Earp's speech pattern.
I didn't know that about John Wayne, thanks for sharing
That's awesome! Thanks for that. 😀
To me, this is the greatest movie ever made. When they're sitting after the fight in the creek and Doc says 'Wyatt Earp is my friend', that is the VERY POINT of this movie.
True grit with John Wayne, the Cowboys, Rio Bravo and the Shootist.
Clint Eastwood in Pale Rider you won't be disappointed. Love your reactions hope you watch and react to it it will surprise you
Thank you for your interest in westerns .
Doc's final scene crushes me. Every time.
"There's no such thing as a perfect life, Wyatt.... there's just life. Now go on and live it. Say goodbye to me, go grab that spirited actress and make her your own. Take that and don't look back. Live every second, live right on through the end. Live Wyatt, live for me. Wyatt, if you were ever truly my friend, or if ya ever had just the slightest of feelin' for me, leave now, leave now, please."
Daniel Meeker I love that line, but I think Wyatt said "normal life". But Doc's response would be the same exact thing.
It’s when he looks down at his feet and is like “I’ll be damned”, dude figured he was going to die with his boots on probably to a gun but instead, passed in a bed, bootless and sick.
The saloon scene with Doc Holliday spinning his cup was so impressive because he was copying Ringo's moves 1 to 1, his eyes were starting back and forth because he was studying the moves carefully.
That's why Ringo got so serious and intense looking halfway through it, Doc showed his skill and sharpness without even having to draw.
He also did the whole routine with the cup because he knew they were trying to get him to draw so they could kill him. So he used the cup to not give them an excuse.
Had Ringo shook from that moment on.
As fast as he was, I doubt they would've been able to do anything with him anyway@@michaelmorris3672
Fun fact, Val Kilmer originally was supposed to twirl his gun in response , but he suggested that the day of the shooting that he twirl the cup
He also got to see how Ringo draws and read his tells, but didn't let Ringo see how he does it
Dances With Wolves is not a "western" as most people think of them. It's EPIC and historic and military and beautiful and sad and a love story, etc. Must watch.
You find out something new everyday. I never knew people that it was a western. I hate to know how they classify Last of the Mohicans.
Man, that movie made me cry like a lil bit*h. (Don´t hurt my mules..)
It fits into that genre because of the time period.
Accurate explanation of that one. Nicely summed up. 👍🏼
The native chief should have won that Oscar.
Tombstone is my favorite Western of all time glad yall seen it
I love that Doc gives Johnny the draw, lets him start his move, and then totally dusts him with speed and accuracy. While looking like Walking Death Incarnate. What an acting job.
Nice observation. I missed that, thanks for bringing it up.
I think the big changes in Val Kilmer over a couple decades are source of "Valmorification" in Team America.
Another thing I noticed is that Doc didn’t reach for the pistol at his right hip, either. He went across to the gun in his belt, closer to his left arm which was holding the cigarette.
Considering the position Doc was standing in, that must have been insanely fast.
@@XX2Media Great point, I mean it's right there in plain sight but I never caught it, yeah, the angle he's at, and the fact that he holsters his guns butt first, let him cross-draw like greased lightning! Obvious now what he was setting up for, with his left shoulder and hip thrust out all sidewise like a snake hehe. Thanks for pointing that out!
@@billholder1330 I’d say he was the ultimate cross-draw pistoleer of that era, perhaps of all time.
Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid..Paul Newman and Robert Redford..also based on real outlaws. It's iconic, two of the biggest movie stars to ever live, they're incredible. Gorgeous movie, fun, action, tension..it's got it all.
Oh yes, 💯 agree
Great movie, Jennifer. Another western that is based on real characters is Young Guns. And what's more, the stuff that seems like dramatization - I'm thinking of the scene where the chest gets thrown out of the second floor of a burning house and Billy the Kid comes out shooting - actually happened.
That was an awesome movie.
@@paulmiller3469 Yes, I love Young Guns, too. I think they'd really enjoy them. I was in my 20s back then, those were all the hot young actors, and I used to wait on Christian Slater regularly where I worked in LA..fun times. And of course they watched Bon Jovi doing 'Blaze of Glory' already
Dances with Wolves is a fantastic film. As an 11 year old, I sit through it 3 times in 2 days at the cinema. It was the film that made me want to make movies.
As for Tombstone, one of the best of the Western revival kicked off by Dances with Wolves, and yes, Val Kilmer shsould have got an Oscar.
Definitely try Dances With Wolves. A wonderful movie.
yeah i was in junior high when we saw DANCES W WOLVES in the theater on a field trip ...loved it so much i begged my mom to take me back a day later !!! so gooooood
When Wyatt Earp put Johnny Tyler in check that was damn savage! The definition of when "Real" walks up on you.
I'm so glad you both loved this movie as much as so many of us did. Val Kilmer was robbed that he wasn't nominated for an Oscar for his performance here. Watching both of you light up as you watched it brought a smile to my face, thanks for the great reaction. All the best to you two!
Val also should of won an Oscar for his portrayal of Jim Morrison in the movie The Doors🔥🔥🔥🔥
I agree this was the greatest role VAL ever had he was fantastic
The accent of Doc Holliday was a Georgian southern aristocrat accent that Val Kilmer managed to find via a dialect coach named Tim Monich. This dialect hadn't been spoken by a large population since the civil war, but Tim Monich actually had a recording with that very accent on it that he sent to Val. The accent is considered to be a dead accent, it's that rare.
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The (mostly) true story of the gunfight at the O.K. Corral. Tombstone, Arizona is a real place I have been lucky enough to visit. Tourist destination now, but Wyatt, Doc, and the other characters in this movie were real people that actually experienced some version of these events. One of my all time favorite films.
In his later life during the 1900s he made a living as a Western movie adviser in Hollywood.
Michael Behin, who played Ringo, was the protector of Sarah Connor, Reese. And the guy who was the table dealer who Wyatt ran off when they entered Toombstone was played by a vwry unrecognizable Billy Bob Thornton.
The story is based on actual events at Tombstone, AZ and the OK Corral. The Earps, Doc , Johnny Ringo, etc. were all real people. The resemblance between Kurt Russell and some photos of Wyatt Earp is amazing.
I'm from that part of the state and one time I finally decided to make the trek to Ringo's grave. It's about 15 miles or so off the main highway, highway 191, down a partially paved road, located next to a creek among some trees on a private ranch. There's a public access gate that allows anyone to just go in and down a path to the creek side. The grave is a rectangular shaped low pile of rocks.
@@jimmyboy131 I’m up in Tucson, I love love this movie but definitely gotta make the small trek down myself just to finally come full circle. Thanks for letting us know Ringos grave I’m gonna check it out
The two truly baddest men in Wild West history: 1) John Wesely Hardin, 2) Wild Bill Hickock & 3) William Barclay Masterson, aka "Bat" Masterson. Masterson killed John Wagner, the man who killed his brother Ed + he also killed the man who killed Legendary Dance Hall Queen "Dora Hand" Masterson killed at least four others in Gunfights and he credited Wyatt Earp for his longevity because Wyatt advised Masterson: "Being fast is good but accuracy is what counts..." Sage advice!
The only thing the movie took liberties with is that the evidence was that Johnny Ringo killed himself by that big oak tree. People were suspicious of Doc but Johnny had lost everything, all his friends, and even his horse had run off.
@@bobby33x97 you left out Clay Allison at either position two or three. but he Was mean, unlike Hickok.
Val Kilmer put in one of the greatest movie performances ever. His imagining of Doc Holiday should/will go down in history along with the greats. Absolutely epic. This and Edward Nortons performance in Primal Fear are two of the best acting roles I've seen.
Edward Norton was incredible in Primal Fear, and in Fight Club.
@@xzonia1 American History X too.
Everyone else has made great comments, so I will just say this: Laudunum was a common painkiller sold over the counter in the old west made primarily of alcohol, morphine and opium. It was considered to be "a harmless sedative" that could treat a wide variety of afflictions
Doc had bronchitis and pneumonia and went west to dry out, but he was dying slowly. Never buck a man who just plain doesn't care. And Doc was dying; he had nothing to lose.
Billy Behan thought that being a ' sheriff ' made him special. To use today's vernacular, he was just another bi@#h.
@@jefftappan7973 No, Doc had tuberculosis (that's why you keep hearing him called "lunger" in the movie. A derogatory term used for tuberculosis patients at the time and why he is seen coughing blood), which at the time was untreatable. Of course it's highly treatable now with modern antibiotics
The most incredible thing about all this is that these men did exist. Tomstone is 18 miles from the I-10 in the state of Arizona. It is a magical town that is still preserved practically the same today. I recommend you visit it.
Michael Biehn, who played the character Johnny Ringo, was in both Terminator as Kyle Reese, the guy who came back to save Sarah Conner, and also in Aliens, as Corporal Hicks. Bill Paxton, who was one of the Earp brothers was also in Aliens as Private Hudson.
Wyatt earp’s wife was an opium addict, and that’s what her sister in law gave her when she got off the train. Doc Holliday was a Dentist turned gambler, and had tuberculosis (hence the nickname “lunger”).
The gunfight right after Wyatt is sworn in as a peace officer is the infamous “Fight at the O.K. Corral”. (Added: Ike Clanton actually was never hunted down and killed by Earp. I believe he died later either killed in a robbery, or hanged after being found guilty)
Edited to add: the next cowboy movie needs to be The Outlaw Josie Wales!
Love Outlaw Josey Wales. Great movie. Clint Eastwood is full on Clint Eastwood.
Mattie suffered from severe migraines, hence her dependency to laudanum(opium).
Bill Paxton was also in the Terminator, He was one of the punks that Arnie kills right in the beginning, the one with the Tire Tread marks on his face...
@@broodhunter2 Holycow… I forgot that!
The actor who played Ike was also in Gettysburg, which is a great movie for history buffs. Sam Elliot, who played Virgil, is in it as well. It has an all-star cast, and it’s pretty epic.
I’d also recommend Alien/Aliens for a sci-fi movie. Like the Terminator, the sequel is better than the original, but they’re both really good.
Makes it even better when you know that this movie is pretty darn accurate, historically.
Side note: It wasn't cancer. Doc Holliday had tuberculosos, aka "consumption" of the lungs.
You're half right. The historical person Doc Holliday had tuberculosis. Val Kilmer in real life also had throat cancer.
@@donpietruk1517 Didn't know that about Val. So was his role in the new Top Gun movie, which is an Admiral with throat cancer played the way it was because he was really ill at the filming? In the movie he talks to Tom Cruise via a computer because the character has throat cancer and can't speak. How very curious.
@@donpietruk1517 I was referring to Doc, not Val. :)
@@rnrhodes2368 Yes, Val Kilmer can no longer speak in real life so they wrote his character that way in the film.
@@rnrhodes2368 Yes,Val has been fighting throat cancer for 6 or 7 years.😪
The medicine Wyatt's wife was taking was called laudanum. It was a tincture of opium. (Tinctures are made by soaking the organic material in alcohol until the active compounds are extracted.) It was one of the quack "medicines" prescribed for all sorts of ailments mainly because it just got you very stoned so you forgot you had whatever problem you had. Highly addictive, obviously, and that was his wife's problem - she'd been prescribed the stuff for "nervous exhaustion" (a common way of saying she was unhappy with her life), and she got hooked on it. A common circumstance back then, when heroin was prescribed for toothaches and cocaine for headaches. Western medicine (literally), yay. 😂
Also, you'd be surprised at the success of Shakespeare in the old West. Remember how culturally uneventful these men's lives were - those saloon performances were one of the few types of entertainment available. (Political speeches were another; they could literally go on for hours.) When an acting troupe came through, it was a big deal. There would definitely be some acting up as you saw there. After all, these guys were bored AND excited, a potent combination. But once they settle down, the audiences could be surprisingly involved. One of my favorite stories concerns a performance of Othello in the old West (I think it was Texas), wherein the actor playing Iago (the villain who talks to the audience in order to spread his guilt around) was so good that a man stood up, yelled at him that he was a bastard, and _SHOT HIM DEAD._ Right there in front of everyone. Shakespeare is a mighty force, believe it.
😳 Wow. I guess it's true what they say. "When you die at the Palace, you really DIE at the Palace."
I bet the critics were like, "Due to the unfortunate murder of Bill Shakespeare, the shooting of the Iago could be considered justifiable homicide."
Or
"This is the first foray of the director's experimentation with audience participation, and it has been concluded that there should be LESS participation from the audience."
Eventually to be largely replaced with Valium, et. al.
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When doc was spinning his cup in that bar he was letting ringo know that drinking is his first best thing to do and shooting is a second so he's a very good shot
Val Kilmer --- totally amazing performance. Laudanum was basically opium in a bottle, along with one or two other things. It was sold without a prescription in that day and time and people used it for all kinds of pain relief, since Tylenol and Ibuprofen hadn't made it on the scene, and aspirin was a few years away (although willow bark powder had the same active ingredient and was being used by doctors). Mattie, Wyatt's wife, was hooked on the stuff. Opiod addiction is nothing new, in other words. Love the reaction. This is a classic Western. Peace!
Also if someone hasn't mentioned it yet. The medicine Maddie is taking is called "laudanum". It was opium powder and alcohol mixed. So she was basically a heroin junkie, as at the time Opium/Opiates weren't illegal/controlled and heavily used in medicine and "snake oil's".
Laudanum is still technically legal to possess in Arizona. A bit of history, Maddie Blaylock; Wyatt's common law wife died by overdose of laudanum in Pinal City, a now ghost town just outside of Superior AZ.
So they were sipping on the original Lean recipe
Tombstone is epic. Truly one of the greatest films of all time. At the end when Doc looks at his feet and says, "Well, isn't that funny," it's because gunslingers were known for "dying with their boots on." Yet there he was lying in the bed with his bare feet. The cowboys and others called him "lung-er" because he had tuberculosis.
Dances With Wolves, Legends of the Fall, Australia, The Patriot, and Gladiator are all fantastic historical dramas (with enough action to keep Jay happy).
All star cast! Kurt Russell, Sam Elliott, Val Kilmer, Bill Paxton. I love westerns but THIS, this is my favorite. Glad you guys enjoyed it too! 💙
Doc is so fast he drew, shot and reholstered before Johnny even drew....and all while he was on death's door from tuberculosis. What a legend
The crazy Wyatt shootout with Curly Bill really happened too, with the movie just tweaking some details. Afterwards in real life Wyatt's coat had numerous bullet holes with none of the shots having even scratched him.
It was a spiritual fight more than it was a natural fight. Wyatt had God on his side.
Go look up the spiritual things that happened to save people from the revolutionary war all the way to today's wars.
I loved that Charlton Heston had a cameo in this movie, he was a great actor and loved his westerns too.
Robert Mitchum narrated too. Another great actor.
Val Kilmer is one of those actors I call a shape-shifter--he can pull off just about any identity--as he so masterfully proved in Tombstone; he really stole the show amongst a whole cast of great actors playing great characters. This talent was taken to great heights when he played the title character in The Saint--not as big of a box-office hit but still shows of his mastery.
Yeah, like in Heat when he cut off his pony tail and LAPD Robbery Homicide couldn’t recognize him?!..
Smh.. lol..
Yes! Dances With Wolves is Fiyah! Also, ya gotta watch Heat w Deniro & Pacino, also Untouchables w Costner & Deniro...
Your father is right Amber, “Dances with Wolves” is one of the best westerns ever. Everything is great in it, story, cast, really everything! You definitely have to check that one out next!
Dances with wolves is my number one top favorite movie Kevin Costner is fantastic. Jay I think you and Amber both will love this movie
My favorite movie of all time....
I love that film...must have seen it 40 times
"Unforgiven" with Clint Eastwood is a genius movie.
Also, "Ravenous" and "Blood Tomahawk" are two movies that mix the Western movie trope with horror. I think both are brilliant movies that show what a good script and good acting can do to bring a new sense of tension and terror when heroes with six shooters and shotguns have to fight vampires and cannibals.
Ravenous was a brilliant movie, I agree.
@@kevinhooper3003 And the soundtrack is 10/10. I would almost recommend the movie based purely on how good the music is.
I remember when I saw this in theaters, The scene when Doc steps out of the shadows and says "I'm your huckleberry" when we were expecting Wyatt, the whole theater just let out a huge roar of applause. Will always be one of those top in-theater moments. I have seen this movie more times than I can count but it never gets old. I had a crush on Dana Delany and Val Kilmer after this movie.
Another Western you might enjoy is 3:10 to Yuma. With Christian Bale, and Russell Crowe.
One of my favorite parts of the Doc Holiday vs Johnny Ringo fight is when Doc confidently says, "Say when." and then smirks.
He gave Johnny the huuuge advantage of starting the gun fight, which means Doc was essentially saying "You're not my equal. You need a handicap." to his face.
The Cross-Arm holster is also a more difficult draw than a standard hip-draw, because you don't get to aim correctly. He carried with two cross-arm holsters in this movie as more a show-off thing, though I haven't seen documentation that says Doc carried that way. If he did, it was probably the most Western version of a 'flex' you could do. He'd have to be INCREDIBLY good at 'intuitive aiming' (aiming without looking down the sights) to be remotely accurate, which would mean HOURS of effort to learn to do it.
There are other gunmen who similarly handicapped themselves in the past, including not even using holsters. Some gunmen of the old West were so fast they could fight the draw disadvantage of ROPE and still win a duel. Hell, Wild Bill was so fast he drew both pistols and fired while be shot in the back with no warning. (Naturally, he didn't kill his shooter, but that was how fast his draw instincts kicked in.)
Here's the crazy part, Wyatt Earp in California worked with a studio to re enact some of his adventures on film. He met a young "go-for" (a person who goes and grabs lunch, etc) that he took to and taught so much. That go-for, became known as the Legendary John Wayne
Amber was asking about the laws. I was in Tombstone once and in boothill cemetary there are many headstones marked unknown. some were hanged by accident or trampled in cattle stampede or shot cheating at cards. The headstones say these very things. Most of the dialogue during the gunfight at the OK corral was the actual dialogue when it really happened. You should research the scene where Curly BIll dies. The amount of bullets that did not hit Wyatt was truly amazing.
I'm sure I read that Wyatt Earp was never hit by a bullet in his whole life. And considering the life he had I find that amazing... If its true anyway😂
The still have Wyatt's coat, boots, and saddle (or at least they did about six years back) in the museum at Tombstone from when he killed Curly Bill. His coat had been shot multiple times thru the sides, he had a bullet stuck in the heel of his boot, and his saddle had several grazes by bullet rounds. The man simply couldn't be touched. He also ended up delivering the killing shot from about 50 feet away after Curly Bill missed with his own shotgun.
Some people just seem constructed for the fight and Wyatt Earp was definitely one of them. Guy lived a wild life and he wasn't always the 'good guy' (he was actually kind of an ass) which I find very human. What's even more crazy is how he came to be. He married at age 21 and actually was going to be a farmer. Bought land and had started the simple life. But then his pregnant wife passed away due to typhoid and it poisoned him, so to speak. Had that moment not happened, we may never have had the man who ended up ending the Cochise County Cowboys.
Two notes for Amber:
- What the movie said about cowboys originally being gangsters or whatever is just not true. Cowboys were first and foremost cow herders. Some then became outlaws. But gangsterism was not the origin of the cowboy.
- Ringo was played by Michael Biehn, who was Kyle Reese (John Connor's dad) in Terminator.
As Doc is passing, he looks down at his uncovered feet in almost disbelief. He swore he would always die with his boots on, but in the end, his feet weren't covered at all.
Just to clarify, the "Cowboys" was a gang, like in the movie. However, there also were cowboys as a profession (basically a cowhand or rancher), which was not affiliated with the gang. A person could have been a cowboy (the job), without being a Cowboy (the gang member).
Its was, in real life. Almost like a union at first. Cowboys protecting Cowboys. . . . Sadly, it quickly became a criminal enterprise in real life. Racketeering, extortion, murder. You name it.
Speaking of which, "The Cowboys" with John Wayne would be a great western for them to react to!
@@porflepopnecker4376 That's the only John Wayne movie I like -- "The Cowboys" is excellent.
It was the Cochise county cowboys.
Many people miss the connection to the priest's prophecy in the beginning to Ringo and the cowboys and Doc Holliday's character (the pale horse) fulfilling of it. Great writing in this movie.
Right!! And Hells coming with him!!
Don’t forget what Wyatt told Ike Clanton at the train “you tell ‘em I’m coming… and hell’s coming with me!”
Naw. Holiday is not a horse. It's only about Wyatt.
@Zyz zyz Behold the pale horse, and the man that sat on him was death( Holliday) . Thats the quote.
@@kennethbruce2141 Uh.. Ok..
That doesn't change what I said that it is Wyatt and not Holiday.
It doesn't say the rider was dying (Holiday).
It says the rider was death.
Wyatt was the leader and rider. He was "death" to the cowboys and the only one that said that he's bringing hell with him.
You don't need to jump through hoops to figure out who the rider is. It's Wyatt.
Val Kilmer as Doc is one of the best performances of all time, if you haven’t watched any spaghetti westerns like the good the bad and the ugly you definitely should. Love the channel
also the outlaw Josey Wales is one of my favorites.
I know this is late, but Doc Holliday was related to Margaret Mitchell, who wrote Gone With the Wind. Doc was represented in the book 54:14 partially as Ashley Wilkes. Both had a love for music, literature, fine art, and cards. The woman Doc loved, but couldn't marry, was his cousin Melanie who became a nun when they couldn't marry. He carried a love for her for the rest of his life. Margaret Mitchell wrote Melanie and Ashley marrying as homage to the love Doc Holliday had for his cousin Melanie. Scarlett was the one instead mourning for a love she couldn't have.
Love that you love Doc Holliday in this movie, cause he’s the same actor who plays Jim Morrison in the Doors biopic. Amber you would love that movie! Such a trippy movie and really tells the story of Jim Morrison as well as could be told
I'd argue using Lonesome Dove or the Sackett Brothers
Val Kilmer is amazing in almost every movie he's made...In addition to being awesome in the Doors...I think his second best performance was in "Wonderland." He is such a horrible person in that film.
Just making sure y’all know that these are historical characters that actually existed 😊 Great cast! Look up the real Wyatt Earp.. Kurt Russell looks almost identical in this movie!
I've been to Tombstone 5 times!
@@jamesalexander5623 Never been, but would love to one day!
@@hellokittyx7 My Brother lives in Chandler AZ near Phoenix and if I'm out there for my Birthday we go to Tombstone .... My Birthday is the same date as the Gunfight at the O.K. Corral and I let them know it at the reenactment and we get a front row seat! At Boothill you can see the graves of the guys who were killed in the Gunfight!
@@jamesalexander5623 That is so cool! I live in South Carolina on the east coast, so it’s kind of hard for me to get out there!
Long live the Great Kurt Russell.
He produced, helped write, stared and even directed (uncredited).
This movie would have never been made without him.
On of the THE BEST westerns ever made.
In my top 5 for sure!
(the man who shot liberty valance is my 1)
Upvote for Liberty Valance. Respect.
@@Lpace3 heck ya. the lighting (forgotten art) Story, Acting, Directing.
I do believe its the first "anti-hero" in westerns. Some say the beginning of the American anti-hero.
One of the few movies I can ALWAYS watch when it is on and never be tired of. This was hands down Val Kilmers best role and the fact he did not get an Oscar for it is a shame. What throat cancer has done to him since then is an even bigger shame.
Doc's final scene packs more of an emotional punch than ever when you consider Val Kilmer's current health issues.
When Doc is twirling the cup it was a very clever move. He could save face without escalating the situation whilst not giving away his actual speed to Ringo. Val Kilmer killed this role.
Doc copied Ringo's twirling quite well despite being drunk. You see Ringo's confidence drain from his face when Doc is doing the twirling with the cup. That's the reason he challenged Wyatt and was avoiding Doc.
@@Orchid11nx yeah, Ringo was clearly a solid gunfighter and knew a thing or two about it. That's why, like you said, he knew Doc, drunk with a teacup, was way out of his league.
I had just recovered from a near fatal car accident when this movie came out. I was attending a community college and a few guys and I went to see it on a Friday night. We were supposed to meet up with some girls at one of their houses afterwards to hang out. The six of us were the only ones watching it, so we ended up paying to watch it two more times.
We never did meet up with the girls. On Monday they saw us in our first class and demanded to know why we never came by. When I told them that we ended up watching the movie three times in a row, they said that wasn’t a good enough reason. The instructor said he watched the movie too and told the girls it was definitely a good reason.
Another one of my favorite movies. Val Kilmer should have won an Oscar for his performance of Doc Holliday.
AMBER AT 10:50 "I REALLY LIKE DOC"!
ME CHUCKLING TO MYSELF AND SAYING YOU AIN'T SEEN NOTHING YET!!!
VAL KILMER AS DOC HOLLIDAY HAS SOME OF THE MOST ICONIC LINES EVER TO BE SPOKEN ON FILM IN THIS MOVIE!!!
GOD BLESS YOU VAL KILMER STAY WELL!!
An oft overlooked nuance that Val brought to his portrayal of Doc is the way Doc responded to danger. During the street scene where Doc has reunited with the Earps and the gunfight spills out of the saloon, the sound of the first shot startles everyone but Doc. While they were all ducking and looking for cover, Doc never even twitches. The man's veins were full of ice.
Absolutely no fear at all. Even during the O.K. Corral when the boy screams bang, he doesn't react!
@@YolandaAnneBrown95726 For real. I mean, how are you going to threaten a dying man with death?
It's because he knew that he was going to die anyway
@@YolandaAnneBrown95726if the director would have told him to react he would have reacted the director told him not to react it doesn't say anything about the real Doc Holliday
As its been told to me, if you heard the shot, it wasnt for you. Doc knows hes a dead man, so thats all the more focus he can put into his work.
A highly romanticized version of events, however, a very accurate depiction of many of the events. The vengeance ride, Wyatt and his group only killed 4 people. But Curly Bill Brocius, according to all accounts and newspaper articles is very accurate, including Wyatt yelling NO before Wyatt shot him.
Costner's Wyatt Earp is more accurate, but no where near as much fun. Tombstone isn't history, it's the myth and Tombstone is far more interesting as a myth than a historical event.
@@Mauther When The Legend Becomes Fact, Print The Legend.
@@Mauther Exactly and the Costner version bores the shit out of me. I know it’s more historically accurate and while there’s some accuracy in Tombstone, a lot of it is just legend. Still, it makes for such an amazing movie compared to the Costner version.
If I want true historical accuracy, I’ll watch a documentary. When I watch a movie, I want the legends thrown in. Exactly like what they did with Braveheart. If that was told with historical accuracy, it wouldn’t be near the awesome movie it is.
Val Kilmer is such an amazing actor. The reason it took you a while to figure out who is playing dock Holiday is because Val Kilmer literally becomes whoever he’s portraying in a movie. This movie is a great example of that another great example is the movie The Doors where he transforms into Jim Morrison.
Charlton Heston‘s cameo appearance was right on the money. One of the greatest actors of all time and the lead actor in my two favorite movies of all time The original Ben Hur and the 10 Commandments.
Great reaction guys.
Also Charlton Heston starred in many great Westerns like "Will Penny", "Major Dundee", "Pony Express" and my personal favorite "Arrowhead" with Jack Palance as the baddie.
'the mountain men' with heston and brian keith my all time favorite western.
Such a great movie with an amazing cast. Everyone was perfect for the role they played in this.
And yes Amber, Sam Elliott’s voice is iconic, and he always plays the coolest characters. He was in ‘Mask’ with Cher back in the ‘80’s and that’s when I realized how great he is. You guys should check that one out when you get a chance. It’s a true story about a boy with a facial anomaly and his ‘rough around the edges’ mother who did everything possible to make his life as normal (whatever that is) as possible.
As Doc remarked there is no normal life there’s just life.
Agreed, Mask is a must-see. Mentioning Cher, they really need to see Cher's movie Moonstruck. Wonderful romantic comedy. :)
I agree, Mask is a film that should be on everyone's list to watch.
I think the youngest that I've ever seen Sam Elliott was in the miniseries, The Sacketts. Even then, he looked as old as my Dad. And he was born in 1940.
Or Roadhouse, with Patrick Swayze. Seems to have a lot of parallel storylines to a western!
Val Kilmer was amazing as Doc Holliday. So was Michael Biehn as Johnny Ringo. They played off of one another so well. The most intelligent of Wyatt Earps crew and the most intelligent of the Cowboys, or The Red Sashes. This is one of my top 3 favorite movies. I love this shit!!!
So glad you all enjoyed it, Tombstone is my fav movie of all time!
It is the only "western" that I Love unless you count blazing saddles
Oh. Two other things: Doc was dying from Tuberculosis. During that time, it was a fatal disease. Also, laudanum(Maddie's medicine) was basically liquid opium used by ladies for headaches and other aches and pains. As mentioned in the movie it was highly addictive, like any narcotic.
I'm proud to say that I had a friend like Doc Holiday. His name was Douglas Arthur Davies. We were friends from the time I was 9 until I was 21 and he was murdered. I miss him everyday. There is a picture of him and I above my head as I type this. He was my wing man, my roommate and my best friend. Rest In Peace Little Dougie. 🙏
The actor who portrayed Ringo , Michael Biehn, also played "Reese" in the first "Terminator" movie with Arnold Schwarzenegger & Linda Hamilton as Sara Connors. Powers Boothe played an excellent villain as the red shirted "cowboy" Curly Bill Brocius. Lots of good actors in this movie, Val Kilmer as Doc, Sam Elliott as Virgil, Bill Paxton as Morgan
Michael Biehn also played Cpl. Dwayne Hicks in "Aliens" excellent actor.
@@rangerhawk He's been in a ton of movies. He was the SEAL team commander in both "The Rock" and "Navy SEALs". I always thought it was a shame he didn't have a more prominent career and become more well known.
A lot of great actors in this one. I also noticed something for the first time. Charlton Heston from "Planet of the Apes" - 1968 and "Ben Hur" - 1959, had a cameo in this movie. You can see it at 42:59 and 44:46. Great stuff! 😀
Also a great talent like Stephen Lang in the role of Ike Clanton..
Yup, a lot of people forget that you have to have a great actor playing the "bad guy" in order to get a great performance out of the "good guy".
I love when Jay says “jack butt”. It’s like his worst insult. He’s so polite. Almost feels like he’s swearing.