Your explanations and demonstrations I find to be very easy to follow and the best direct, no nonsense how-to advice. Thank you for all the work put into this channel. 🙏
tl:dr raising ez_landing_limit a bit should prevent the instability during a drop/dive. Raising throttle slightly during a drop/dive also provides more stability without significantly raising the effective throttle compared to the legacy mixer_type. I did most of the implementation of EzLanding, nice to see that people like it. What I suspect happens when the quad goes unstable during the dive is that the air starts pushing harder on the quad than the quad is currently allowed allowed to push back with the motors. It's not really EzLanding suddenly changing anything. The amount of force that the the quad is allowed to use doesn't change from the point that the fingers are of the sticks (or at least it shouldn't). Raising ez_landing_limit a bit would allow the quad to use more force at zero throttle and should allow the quad to remain stable. The current default ez_landing_limit of 5 is quite conservative. As a comparison, having airmode off with the legacy mixer on should be roughly equivalent in bounciness to having an ez_landing_limit around 20-25. And I might as well repost this description of how EzLanding works: EzLanding essentially limits how much airmode is allowed to increase the throttle to the highest of: 1. A value based on how close the most deflected stick is to the maximum deflection. If ez_landing_limit is at 25 then 25% stick deflection will let airmode increase the throttle to 50% (which is about as much at it will ever need) 2. The minimum value set with ez_landing_limit (default 5%) 3. The current throttle from the pilot So in a way EzLanding will be active all the way to about 50% throttle if the sticks are centered. Also, it's not just good for landings. it's also useful for unsticking whoops from walls and should make flyaways on arm much less common.
I tried what this guy said and had great results! With higher ez_landing_limit all the cons disappear, dives work perfectly and landings aren't bouncy. For me a value of 15 worked great!
Great video! I was almost on board til you showed the cons of EZ landing, which I greatly appreciate. I've used air mode on a switch for so long it's probably easier for me to stay like that then to learn to fly differently. Keep up the grat videos.
@@Carboneye7 Arms widened at the common breaking point, chamfered edges, hexagonal pockets for standoffs, countersunk bolts in the top-plate, designated channel below electronics for XT60 wires, frame mounted XT60 connector, TPU vibration dampening caps between the frame and standoffs, aluminum camera cage, adjustable GPS bracket, every TPU add-on you could ask for, T700 carbon fiber, ridiculously tight arm-locking design, amazingly organized packaging, and extra of every single piece of hardware. It pretty much has everything you could possibly ask for out of a freestyle frame, and it's only $70. Do it, dude. Treat yourself to this amazing piece of craftmanship.
I just did the CLI to set up easy landing. When I powered on my quad my motors were “jittery” and not smooth. I removed the easy landing feature, the motors went back to being ok. Any suggestions on what I did wrong or what I need to change?
Im still a beginner and fly mostly tiny whoops and have learned that air mode being off is good for indoors. I will have to try this with my Crux3, my first non whoop drone.
I don't know if all these crutches are a good thing . I learned with them all turned off and concentrated on a good tune. It wasn't easy but it took less time for me. BF flies real nice on just the PIDS I don't get motor dropouts. You put a lot of work into this channel thank you.
if you have any info on getting the GPS/GPX file to work in BBE id love that! Havent figured that out yet but was and why i wont show in BBE, but everything us up to date on all fronts. thanks
Friend! Turn off the Anti-Gravity mode and your copter will stop bouncing off the floor! My copter flies at low speed 10 centimeters above the floor right in my apartment.
I need try 4.5. I went to try but gps dodnt work. So went down to 4.4.3. When GPS still dodnt work. I realized it was something else. Then found damaged wire. Fixed it. Got go back to 4.5 rc2
they should add angle parameter because if you want to free fall you going to be looking down but when you try to land you are going to be +- on horizon
It's cool, but I will find it annoying for long dive. I think they should use the barometer to detect the distance from the ground and activate the easy landing feature. If you like flying low. Have a threshold as well.
So my setups are firmware 4.0.2 i think from about 4 years ago. There tuned really well but just getting back into flying after a 2 year hiatus. You seem to know your shit and fly like it to, so just wondering if there are any new changes that are worth me changing over to a newer version? Been flying since 2016 so tuning isnt a problem.
I see you did the AG 01 gimbals on your transmitter. Is it worth the effort? Did you follow spire fpv and let’s fly RC ? Thanks, have learned a lot from your channel
Hey, u r great. Love you videos. Find them all very helpful. Thanks D'man. I've been enjoying BF 4.5 for a while but I can not say I feel much of a difference in flight characteristics and I prefer the switch option for airmode over this easy-landing feature. Have yet to try the improved GPS rescue feature though. I've been flying on BF for about three years. I once tried KISS and I did like it but that was during the time when I was quite new to the game and so was not in a position to distinguish the difference in both FC firmwares in terms of flight characteristics. Now that I've been flying for a while and reached a point where I'm just curious to know the difference. I wish for an honest opinion from you based on your experience about the flight feel, KISS vs BF. I think both can be tuned to feel the way I want but your thoughts please! - on KISS (for a freestyle pilot who fly both FPV and LOS equally well). I love all things RC including 3D helicopters and airplanes of all sorts. I'm just so hooked to this game. So please! I'll appreciate your help by giving your honest opinion before I invest on a KISS setup.
Thnx for showing all these extra features. Is it not easier to have it controlled on a switch. That way you dont have sudden surprises like when you do a dive next to a building?
Im sorry but to much info to gather. Conclusion was like Turn on air mode, then go to cli tpy the code… then its worked like magic? Did i miss something Guys???
Terrible idea a large amount of fpv freestyle is spent at centered sticks and then if you decide to drop throttle to loose altitude suddenly you loose stabilisation on your drone. Much smarter to have 3 position switch with airmode off, airmode on and then final position gps rescue or turtle mode.
this is a wrong definition of airmode. pid_at_min_throttle is responsible for zero throttle control. airmode is responsible for mixer saturation and additionally activates pid_at_min_throttle and I-term at zero throttle. Even in your video you still have control over the quad with zero throttle 5:18 Put airmode on and I to zero - it would be same. And then put airmode off and pid_at_min_throttle = off - then you'll know what absent of controll on zero throttle is)
They would have to spoof your radio link including the bind to do anything like that. They can drop them with the laser gun looking rig they have but it’s not a great system
Bro dont be hating on the Drainman even if he isn't the first to post about something he does it better and his enthusiasm for the building process and the hobby is without equal
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Your explanations and demonstrations I find to be very easy to follow and the best direct, no nonsense how-to advice. Thank you for all the work put into this channel. 🙏
man your energy on the videos are fantastic. keep going like that!
Really is though, love that intro every time ahaha. Helping a newbie out in me, due to binging his vids cause of his personality.
Man I literally get so excited when Drainman goes “Heyyyyyyyyyyyy pilotssssss” you jus know the vid gon be good when drainman is at the helm
tl:dr raising ez_landing_limit a bit should prevent the instability during a drop/dive.
Raising throttle slightly during a drop/dive also provides more stability without significantly raising the effective throttle compared to the legacy mixer_type.
I did most of the implementation of EzLanding, nice to see that people like it. What I suspect happens when the quad goes unstable during the dive is that the air starts pushing harder on the quad than the quad is currently allowed allowed to push back with the motors. It's not really EzLanding suddenly changing anything. The amount of force that the the quad is allowed to use doesn't change from the point that the fingers are of the sticks (or at least it shouldn't). Raising ez_landing_limit a bit would allow the quad to use more force at zero throttle and should allow the quad to remain stable.
The current default ez_landing_limit of 5 is quite conservative. As a comparison, having airmode off with the legacy mixer on should be roughly equivalent in bounciness to having an ez_landing_limit around 20-25.
And I might as well repost this description of how EzLanding works:
EzLanding essentially limits how much airmode is allowed to increase the throttle to the highest of:
1. A value based on how close the most deflected stick is to the maximum deflection. If ez_landing_limit is at 25 then 25% stick deflection will let airmode increase the throttle to 50% (which is about as much at it will ever need)
2. The minimum value set with ez_landing_limit (default 5%)
3. The current throttle from the pilot
So in a way EzLanding will be active all the way to about 50% throttle if the sticks are centered.
Also, it's not just good for landings. it's also useful for unsticking whoops from walls and should make flyaways on arm much less common.
I tried what this guy said and had great results! With higher ez_landing_limit all the cons disappear, dives work perfectly and landings aren't bouncy. For me a value of 15 worked great!
So how do i change to that value? What is the command? Thanks mate
In the CLI:
set ez_landing_limit = 15
save
@@DjHeely thanks a lot mate will try that
I am a very new pilot and I can already tell this is a great feature. Awesome!
Great demonstration DMan! Thanks bro!
Sjhooosh Roll! Coin that phrase pilots😎👊 always a pleasure sir!
why didnt they make it that the sticks need to be centered, throttle at 0 AND quad needs do be leveled or near level atleast?
Great video! I was almost on board til you showed the cons of EZ landing, which I greatly appreciate. I've used air mode on a switch for so long it's probably easier for me to stay like that then to learn to fly differently. Keep up the grat videos.
With higher ez_landing_limit all the cons disappear, dives work perfectly and landings aren't bouncy. For me a value of 15 worked great
Best chap in my opinion to watch and learn from 👍
Awesome lesson, thanks for sharing DM. Great video.
Noticed you've got a FlyFishRC frame, there. Excellent choice! I ran the Volador VX6, and it was the best frame I've used to date.
Agreed 👍
I have 2 Volador builds and i love them. Great frames.
What is so much better than other frames guys?
@@Carboneye7 Arms widened at the common breaking point, chamfered edges, hexagonal pockets for standoffs, countersunk bolts in the top-plate, designated channel below electronics for XT60 wires, frame mounted XT60 connector, TPU vibration dampening caps between the frame and standoffs, aluminum camera cage, adjustable GPS bracket, every TPU add-on you could ask for, T700 carbon fiber, ridiculously tight arm-locking design, amazingly organized packaging, and extra of every single piece of hardware. It pretty much has everything you could possibly ask for out of a freestyle frame, and it's only $70. Do it, dude. Treat yourself to this amazing piece of craftmanship.
Very good video and tutorial.
I just did the CLI to set up easy landing. When I powered on my quad my motors were “jittery” and not smooth. I removed the easy landing feature, the motors went back to being ok. Any suggestions on what I did wrong or what I need to change?
Im loving Betaflight 4.5
Im still a beginner and fly mostly tiny whoops and have learned that air mode being off is good for indoors. I will have to try this with my Crux3, my first non whoop drone.
I tried it in December. It's definitely a relief. 👍
I don't know if all these crutches are a good thing . I learned with them all turned off and concentrated on a good tune. It wasn't easy but it took less time for me. BF flies real nice on just the PIDS I don't get motor dropouts. You put a lot of work into this channel thank you.
Love your videos bro.
interesting...great info on the bounce!!
I bound air mode only to kick on when I put the quad into angle mode, So i just swap into angle and land.
kool vid my brotha!
Why am I unable to get the set mixer_type = EZLANDING in CLI? Legacy, Linear and Dynamic are the only options that show.
if you have any info on getting the GPS/GPX file to work in BBE id love that! Havent figured that out yet but was and why i wont show in BBE, but everything us up to date on all fronts. thanks
Another great video. Quickly becoming one of few go-to guys. Thanks for the great work.
Can you set ez landing on a switch?????
Because it seems like it wont work with freestyle.. only on cinematic
Is there a land mode like GPS rescue except just you can hit the switch and quad will try to park in space then go into slow decend and land?
Very nicely explained! ❤
I will watch Drainman's video because he explains more in detail things that others just barely touch.
Great information, can you tell me where i can get and install that gimbal mod for the DJI controller, it looks nice, does it improve stick feel?
Friend! Turn off the Anti-Gravity mode and your copter will stop bouncing off the floor! My copter flies at low speed 10 centimeters above the floor right in my apartment.
hellow, i have Pavo Pico Brushless Whoop Quadcopter HD version can i connect analog VTX?? if yes , how? thank you
Im loving it !
if Hard Rock Nick and Bardwell had a baby... It'd be you. Hard Rock Bardwell
Thanks broth good job for all of us 🎉🤝
I need try 4.5. I went to try but gps dodnt work. So went down to 4.4.3. When GPS still dodnt work. I realized it was something else. Then found damaged wire. Fixed it. Got go back to 4.5 rc2
When Im going to perch or land, I switch to Acromode , the difference is you don't need to switch in acro just always airmode RIGHT ?
I wasn't watching the screen... but I could totally visualize a "Zooosh Roll" 🤣
I download it 10.10 and it came with no fail safe tab what happened?
I felt guilty about buying apple vision pro until I saw the amount of drones on this guys wall.
simpler way to explain air mode: it keeps the quads orientation/attitude you left it at when throttle = 0
Can you make a video on how to configure a quad from scratch (instead of relying on CLI dump) when upgrading to BF 4.5?
they should add angle parameter because if you want to free fall you going to be looking down but when you try to land you are going to be +- on horizon
So cool ! Im wondering how this will help with 3D flying or if theres any issues
What RC transmitter is that? Modded DJI remote?
It's cool, but I will find it annoying for long dive. I think they should use the barometer to detect the distance from the ground and activate the easy landing feature. If you like flying low. Have a threshold as well.
Im going to trigger an ezland in an inverted yaw spin float
I have argus f 722 airo fc card.My version is 4.5 buy not coming ezlanding.
Sick af bro thanks
They should add angle limit to ezlanding.
No one perches in a dive or does slides with 60deg up tilt
So my setups are firmware 4.0.2 i think from about 4 years ago. There tuned really well but just getting back into flying after a 2 year hiatus. You seem to know your shit and fly like it to, so just wondering if there are any new changes that are worth me changing over to a newer version? Been flying since 2016 so tuning isnt a problem.
I see you did the AG 01 gimbals on your transmitter. Is it worth the effort? Did you follow spire fpv and let’s fly RC ?
Thanks, have learned a lot from your channel
Is this the same as idle up switch on kiss?
Where do I get the upgrade at?
Hey, u r great. Love you videos. Find them all very helpful. Thanks D'man.
I've been enjoying BF 4.5 for a while but I can not say I feel much of a difference in flight characteristics and I prefer the switch option for airmode over this easy-landing feature. Have yet to try the improved GPS rescue feature though.
I've been flying on BF for about three years. I once tried KISS and I did like it but that was during the time when I was quite new to the game and so was not in a position to distinguish the difference in both FC firmwares in terms of flight characteristics. Now that I've been flying for a while and reached a point where I'm just curious to know the difference. I wish for an honest opinion from you based on your experience about the flight feel, KISS vs BF. I think both can be tuned to feel the way I want but your thoughts please! - on KISS (for a freestyle pilot who fly both FPV and LOS equally well). I love all things RC including 3D helicopters and airplanes of all sorts. I'm just so hooked to this game. So please! I'll appreciate your help by giving your honest opinion before I invest on a KISS setup.
Where is the shirt from? ❤
Do I leave airmode on after I set ezlanding on?
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you use throttle expo?
Thnx for showing all these extra features.
Is it not easier to have it controlled on a switch.
That way you dont have sudden surprises like when you do a dive next to a building?
a third condition for ez landing would fix that "quad needs to be leveled" (or near level) would be a fix for the diving problem
Nice Upload!
Im sorry but to much info to gather. Conclusion was like
Turn on air mode, then go to cli tpy the code… then its worked like magic?
Did i miss something Guys???
cool but just so funny .... kiss been doing this centuries ago XD
jolie olie of drones :)
Super
Hard Rock Nick?
Terrible idea a large amount of fpv freestyle is spent at centered sticks and then if you decide to drop throttle to loose altitude suddenly you loose stabilisation on your drone.
Much smarter to have 3 position switch with airmode off, airmode on and then final position gps rescue or turtle mode.
they fixed airmode bouncy bouncy ages ago.
this is a wrong definition of airmode. pid_at_min_throttle is responsible for zero throttle control. airmode is responsible for mixer saturation and additionally activates pid_at_min_throttle and I-term at zero throttle.
Even in your video you still have control over the quad with zero throttle 5:18
Put airmode on and I to zero - it would be same. And then put airmode off and pid_at_min_throttle = off - then you'll know what absent of controll on zero throttle is)
i want that shit where did you get it?
I bet the CIA asked for this feature years ago. We are always the last to know.😂
They would have to spoof your radio link including the bind to do anything like that. They can drop them with the laser gun looking rig they have but it’s not a great system
barrel roll versus axial roll.............
me Airmode On and when landing disarm the kwad 😂
You’re only about 3 weeks late on the video lol.
Bro dont be hating on the Drainman even if he isn't the first to post about something he does it better and his enthusiasm for the building process and the hobby is without equal
@@robertgiordano3452 Not sure how that’s hate . I’ve been waiting on someone to post how this works . For about 3 weeks …
Hey I have that same shirt. #fpvlux
shirt
Ohhh shoot lol my fav part
That's last recovery was money!! Haha 🫨 Woooo $hit!!!!