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It still is the most sustainable base in the game with the equivalent of a Large Slot (8 Beds) free and then the free two watchtowers when combined with the staging area outpost. Like, it genuinely is the most self-sustainable base in the game, and when no outposts or slots have to be spent on beds and no outposts or slots have to be spent for watchtowers. You actually get more freedom with those slots. Like its only genuine weakness is just having two Large Slots that you can customize, but every slot you have you can fully customize without having to worry about things like costs or resource drain. It is a Fortress through and through cause you genuinely can just bunker down and never need to leave. Like, just do an officer quarters and you'll be in the green there without the lounge thanks to its other benefits. Though I am mostly just attached to how silly easy that base is to work with, like, never having to keep track of anything and just being able to completely ignore the base management mechanics entirely. Hell, the Morale Drains from no Watchtowers and Morale Drains due to beds/stamina penalties from fatigue will just never be a thing. Like, you don't *need* a lounge there, you will still be able to maintain high morale easily without it at the Container Fort thanks to the six small slots (that don't need to be beds or watchtowers) and you will still be able to use trade depot and any other large slot. So I think it does depend on how optimal is defined there. Cause you certainly are not going to fail at the container fort unless you outright mess up, cause the sustainability of Container Fort makes it an easy infinite base *without* needing either the trade depot or lounge, you will never even have to leave the base if you have neither.
We shouldn't underestimate the moral penalty is saves from the player. I don't have to hear the community complain about beds every time I walk into base.
*Pros* : +8 beds no matter what A viable landmark outpost for almost any playthrough Guards without cost High storage for all resources especially ammo and fuel Juggernauts can not enter the base Can also block regular zombies to only using the doors by blocking the climbable wall with a shooting range (not sure if any other small facility can do the same) A good number of small facilities with one indoor *Cons* : Only 2 Large spaces Location Only 3 car slots
I loved this base, the only problem i have is that sometimes survivors come down and proceed to get wailed on by himself. And the people on top cant shoot for some reason, like its blocked or something.
@@romdom9406 I like the container fort. If I made list of my favorite bases (not necessarily which I think are best) it would probably be Large bases 1. Farmland Compound 2. Barricaded Strip Mall 3. Container Fort And for Medium bases 1. Church on the Hill (simply because its reminiscent of Church of Ascenion from first game) 2. Squelons Brewery 3. Mike's Concrete
Hi, has that changed with update 30? I moved to that Home Site, Container Fort, and there are no beds. Is it by design in the latest update or is it a bug?
It would be nice if they had Outpost that you could build at expensive ones give you a large building slot cheap ones are small etc or finding a house that already has a fighting gym built into it that kind of a thing.
I think the “finding a house with a gun in it” as an outpost is a bit unmanageable from a video games perspective, unless they handle those like the marked outposts. HOWEVER the rest of your comment I 100% agree with. Why can’t I have an outpost in my bases safe zone be used strictly for beds? Or farming? Days gone on ps4 actually incorporated some of the stuff you’re talking about(if you haven’t played days gone you need to. It’s a much better game that state of decay in some ways, and I hate comparing the 2 games.
I enjoy the corner office because of the idea of using the different floors and it's my fav base in this map. It was a harsh review of cascade hills but absolutely fair and agree with the arguments presented
It's been a while since I've been in Cascade Hills. So long that I forgot it only had two large large facilities. For an end game base, that does suck.
To answer your question, for me, the church is a great mid-tier base on the map. There are enough slots to put in a workshop, infirmary, (2) sheltered beds (I'd rather spend Daybreak influence and purchase the RT facilities like the barracks), a lounge (and under a sheriff, you can train at level 3) and the remaining spot could be a fighting gym or a shooting range. You can have both with the RT barracks. This is a perfect treadmill for training up your five guys. I tend to stay at the church a long time just because it's central and has the benefit of being an influence farm. It's only fault is that it's only good for 5-6 members. Otherwise, you lose utility to make bed space. The Container Fort is very nice, but it's biggest disappointing factor is the lack of the third large slot. However, once I no longer need training facilities (gym, range, lounge 3), it becomes very useful. Cascade Hills is the least advantageous of all the maps and for me, Providence Ridge's bases are all great.
Agreed about Cascade Hills. I also think it's the worst map in the game. I actually like Drucker County, especially once you know where the short cuts for driving are. However, my fave map is easily Provident Ridge.
The Container Fort is a good base. It has a built in Spartan Barracks with no moral penalty, and Leeds Concrete acts as a Staging Area, so that's two additional large slots. The two built in watchtowers with no ammo cost are better than the built in watch towers in the other large bases. The Fire Station, your guards are rarely ever there, and in Whitney Field they'll shoot at your cars and blow them up. It's also the easiest large base to defend during sieges. I like to hop onto the container outside the west entrance and pick off all the zeds from there. You get an easy view of the door to defend it, and when you stand on the container all the zeds outside who see you just stop and yell, so it makes it easy for your guards to pick them off. Cascade Hills also has the best bases in terms of siege defense. The Bridge Fort is a great 4 man base, only two entrances and it has two built in watch towers by each entrance, it's easily the best base in the game in terms of defense. The Church is also great, not a single wall that zeds can climb over, and you can easily block off 2 out of 3 entrances.
The problem is some misunderstandings. Allow me to explain. 1) Defense is irrelevant. You only need to defend your base in 3 situations: CLEO drop, Haven Device setup, and Builder's Legacy final mission. You never need to defend your base outside of that. You can just drive away. Defense is not important. 2) Beds aren't important. You can hit the highest tier of morale with 0 beds. Beds prevent you from losing -7 morale per bed. You can get beds from allied enclaves if you want them, but you don't need them. A level 3 lounge is more than enough morale to compensate for having 0 beds. 3) Leeds is the only good thing, but you could just go to Mohr & Mohr instead which is better than the Container Fort and easier to get inside of. You also can just build materials outposts to counteract your material losses on other maps. Leeds is decent, but it's not enough to make Container Fort good. In other words, most of the stuff you're pointing out that's "good" about the Container Fort isn't relevant to the gameplay mechanics.
@@GitGudFox Good base defense is important, because sieges are the most fun part of the game! I never miss a siege, and I'm always trying out different ways of killing the hordes. The devs didn't give us all those different kinds of guns just to scrap them for parts! Yeah you can just cheese the game by ignoring sieges or starting a siege then driving away, but where's the fun in that? Technically you could just stay at your starter home and speed through the game killing all the plague hearts. But that's no fun. I like role-playing in the game and pretending that my community is trying to survive the zombie apocalypse.
It sounds like they're mainly important to you because you can just skip them all, and I recommend everyone do that. If you've done 10 sieges, you've done 10,000 sieges. They're all the same after a while. The thing is that you're on a video about recommending bases, based on their total strength, to people. To recommend a base for anything except its total strength is deceptive. You could trick a player who is still learning into thinking a base is better than it actually is when they read the comment section. People can obviously like whatever base they want, but to call a pretty average base "good" is deceptive. Container Fort is comparable to to a 6-man base rather than an 8-man base. It's the weakest of its kind other than perhaps Fort Marshal.
So Happy u change your view on M&M I always loved that base but understand on lower difficulty the driving on it not worth it,I'm gonna be laughing when u get to the drive in theater in Drucker county
Great review of Cascade Hills! I really enjoy your analysis and the thoughtfulness you put into your commentary. Plus your humor 😊 I've never loved this map, but have made peace with it over the years. One thing I kinda wish is that you'd showcase how to leverage what each base gives you as much as possible vs. compare it to what you've concluded is most powerful in the game. While it's definitely true that some things are more objectively powerful than others, do players really just want to build Lounge 3 and Trade depot over and over every playthrough? I guess maybe many players will do that just to be most powerful. Personally, I find it kinda just too bad to cut out a ton of base building variety in the name of squeezing out a bit more power. It's kinda nice to pull on different levers in the game to implement different strategies, even if they aren't always perfectly optimal. Like, to go in the farm in Meagher Valley and not build any farms, or leverage the built-in kitchen, why even bother going to that base? That kinda thing. I 100% agree that M&M is pound for pound the most optimal base. I've pushed myself to stop defaulting to it, to try exploring more the other bases. I just wish L&K wasn't always blocked with 3-4 hearts.
@@GitGudFox Maybe not in fame 😂, but mate honestly u have the perfect personality or whatnot to be a brilliant RUclipsr man. Not even just saying it. 👍🏻😀
You and the container fort have a rocky relationship. I remember you weren’t always it’s biggest fan, the same way I am, I use it it but we all know, we all know……
I've become a lot better an analyzing bases over the years, and with Fox-tier God Combos you can implement, the Container Fort can't do them effectively.
25:16 It's the walking dead where they put zombie guts on themselves to walk through a horde. The first time they did it (I think was season 2 or 3) the token black guy died. (So the network guy saying it (sounds that he is black) is ironic and funny).
Cascade hills to me is a map for small to medium size forever community, the 4 and two 5 men bases are at the center of the map which is perfect to setup. Ideally, with 6 outposts setup around the town center, you will have the whole town without any wondering Zeds! Other than that, I don't think Cascade Hills is good enough to call as a good map, just average imo
Speaking of a challenge have you done a playthrough without impaler or pyro launcher? I am working my way through all your videos and have not seen it if you have.
I'm actually finishing one up! Here is the link: ruclips.net/video/F5kN63P5Bkc/видео.html This is my secondary VODs channel! There's a whole extra playthrough there.
hej Fox did you looked in the main game in the last few weeks? first it seems they have the infestation mechanic already in it. second... i don't know if it is a bug or not, but when i switched bases, my outposts were disabled/gone. Restarting the game didn't fixed it....
I've noticed an increase in the infestation spawns on the main game. It sucks even more cause you still have to kill the whole infestation, not just the freaks.
I mean idrc to Min/Max sweat over this game. I just enjoy chilling. It's just a fun base IMO. Having a literal fort made out of shipping containers in the apocalypse is just badass, I like the area that it's in. It could be a bit more central but 🤷♂️
You can also have fun by having a base that lets you build more of a variety of facilities which encourages you to collect a bunch of character skills to max out.
I don't like Cascade Hills Map either. Tho I do prefer Container Fort over M&M because of location. Not the surrounding area so much as it feels easier to drive to than M&M. And I hate driving on Cascade.
+8 Beds beats all negative thing, period. It is a equivalent of at least 1 large slot, or 1 large 1small slot for most of the time, or 4 outposts. The only base that is better than this one would be the farm in Trumble Valley
You don't know what you're talking about. The 8 beds = 42 morale. That is nothing. Building 1 latrine in the very beginning of the game would give you 30 morale. Beds are garbage.
@@GitGudFox sounds like you are more than confident to do a no-bed-run. How about try to do it once then show us how to replace all beds with one toilet?
I can see you're new to my channel, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. So you're watching Episode 82 of my Lethal Zone base tour. I'm up to 119. There are no deaths, and I don't build beds in my bases. Moreover, I have been playing the game without building beds since Lethal Zone was invented. All of it is verifiable as I upload just about 1 episode per day. There are nearly a dozen Lethal Zone, deathless, unmodified, victories on my channel, and I don't build beds. Lethal Zone has a -30 morale per survivor penalty as well, so I ASSURE you I know what I'm talking about.
@@GitGudFox Thanks for your detailed and insightful explanation. This is way better than starting with an accusation/personal language assault like "you don't know what you are talking about". I do accept that your claims now, but according to your another (earlier) review, when mentioning toilets in Barbed Mall, you said that is a questionable built-in. So it the toilet good or bad after all?
I'll give you the more detailed explanation using beds and the latrine. Not having a bed cause -7 morale per survivor missing a bed. It doesn't prevent them from resting or recovering from fatigue. Note that beds don't INCREASE morale so much as they cancel a possible loss of morale... meaning excess beds aren't helpful unless your community can grow more and fill the beds. Common Bed Options (Small) Sheltered Beds: 2 beds (cancel up to -14 morale) Sheltered Beds level 2: 3 beds for 1 material per day (cancel up to -21 morale) Red Talon Bunkroom: 5 beds but -5 Community Morale (cancel up to -35 morale). Now let's consider the level 1 latrine. Latrine (Clean Toilets): +10 Community Morale. So these are all small facilities. It's important to note the difference between "community morale" changes and self only changes. Community morale changes are +/- morale multiplied across everyone in the community. Self Only morale changes only affect a specific character. So, if you have a community of 3 people, and no one has a bed? You lose 21 morale. So you build a Sheltered Beds Level 2, pay 1 material per day, and you prevent a loss of 21 morale. OR You build a latrine, clean the toilets, and get +10 Morale x 3 Survivors = +30 morale which overpowers the -21 morale from them not having beds meaning you still +9 morale overall. The RT Bunkroom is worse. Suppose you have an 8-man community. RT Bunkroom cancels -35 Morale... but also causes -5 Community Morale meaning -40 Morale. Before RT Bunk (no beds): You are -56 Morale from no one having beds. After RT Bunk (5 beds): You are -61 Morale with 3 people missing beds. With a level 1 latrine (no beds): You are +24 Morale with 8 people missing beds. BUT LET'S keep it simple. The Latrine is +10 Morale x Everyone in your Community Beds are block -7 Morale for everyone who has a bed. 10 is a bigger effect than 7, and if it's evenly multiplied across everyone, the latrine will always have a higher positive morale impact than missing beds.
So I'm thinking easiest way to get get boons (no boon playthrough) might be start by church, farming influence, materials, and people, then relocate for Whitney for finishing the game. Thoughts? Also yes, of the gears 2 was the worst.
Personally, I think I'd just do Trumbull Valley. 1) You get guaranteed Echo Labs scentblock + bloater gas 2) You get the Izzbee / Chavez quest where you get TWO immortal AI followers to help you kill plague hearts.
Well, you mentioned "easiest" so I am going to think "meta." Although not always. Sometimes the meta demands some higher level gameplay to pull it off correctly. Meta doesn't always mean easy so much as it means efficient.
@@GitGudFox I dont use as many large facilities. Trading post, the extra smalls use them to make stuff to sell for influence. There is enough room to get positive production or at least neutral on everything. Hydroponics setup you can bounce between food and medicine, extra medicine can be turned into blood plague cures, when bundled sell very well. Lots of small spots to do this. Also I like the area, its right next to a small town and a warehouse area right outside the door, I can just jet out the door and start smacking zombies around. Aesthetics, the containers seem like better barriers than chain-link fences.
It a great base but it always under attack from my experience,I prefer M&M cause I rarely get jumped and so far characters don't needless to outside the base just imo
To prevent from that happening, I uses cars to block the side and the back entrance. Since the AI will detect that and all Zeds will walk around to the parking lot front, with a little more Cars setup you can easily funnel down Zeds attack. I always use a Van to park right at the edge of the climbable section, the Zeds will not attempt to sneak in like the side of Strip Mall. The downside of this is getting the cars or spend influence to call in more cars from your ally.
@@pcraft8785 Why would you assume I'm a guy in the first place? lol What I mention is going to be what exactly I will do in real situation. Why would you not safeguard your entrance in a Zombie apocalypse and leave it wide open?
I respect everyone opinions imo I feel providence ridge my least favorite map, really hate how far everything is,the bases are good but majority time you'll stay in Rosie's or Warehouse
I live in Pacific Northwest therefore I love the overall scenery of PR! However, I would choose Trumbull Valley over PR, just look at that snowcapped mountain....
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It still is the most sustainable base in the game with the equivalent of a Large Slot (8 Beds) free and then the free two watchtowers when combined with the staging area outpost.
Like, it genuinely is the most self-sustainable base in the game, and when no outposts or slots have to be spent on beds and no outposts or slots have to be spent for watchtowers. You actually get more freedom with those slots.
Like its only genuine weakness is just having two Large Slots that you can customize, but every slot you have you can fully customize without having to worry about things like costs or resource drain. It is a Fortress through and through cause you genuinely can just bunker down and never need to leave.
Like, just do an officer quarters and you'll be in the green there without the lounge thanks to its other benefits.
Though I am mostly just attached to how silly easy that base is to work with, like, never having to keep track of anything and just being able to completely ignore the base management mechanics entirely. Hell, the Morale Drains from no Watchtowers and Morale Drains due to beds/stamina penalties from fatigue will just never be a thing. Like, you don't *need* a lounge there, you will still be able to maintain high morale easily without it at the Container Fort thanks to the six small slots (that don't need to be beds or watchtowers) and you will still be able to use trade depot and any other large slot. So I think it does depend on how optimal is defined there.
Cause you certainly are not going to fail at the container fort unless you outright mess up, cause the sustainability of Container Fort makes it an easy infinite base *without* needing either the trade depot or lounge, you will never even have to leave the base if you have neither.
We shouldn't underestimate the moral penalty is saves from the player. I don't have to hear the community complain about beds every time I walk into base.
*Pros* : +8 beds no matter what
A viable landmark outpost for almost any playthrough
Guards without cost
High storage for all resources especially ammo and fuel
Juggernauts can not enter the base
Can also block regular zombies to only using the doors by blocking the climbable wall with a shooting range (not sure if any other small facility can do the same)
A good number of small facilities with one indoor
*Cons* : Only 2 Large spaces
Location
Only 3 car slots
True
I loved this base, the only problem i have is that sometimes survivors come down and proceed to get wailed on by himself. And the people on top cant shoot for some reason, like its blocked or something.
@@romdom9406 I like the container fort. If I made list of my favorite bases (not necessarily which I think are best) it would probably be
Large bases
1. Farmland Compound
2. Barricaded Strip Mall
3. Container Fort
And for Medium bases
1. Church on the Hill (simply because its reminiscent of Church of Ascenion from first game)
2. Squelons Brewery
3. Mike's Concrete
Con: Characters may walk out of the base to fight zombies.
Hi, has that changed with update 30? I moved to that Home Site, Container Fort, and there are no beds. Is it by design in the latest update or is it a bug?
It would be nice if they had Outpost that you could build at expensive ones give you a large building slot cheap ones are small etc or finding a house that already has a fighting gym built into it that kind of a thing.
I think the “finding a house with a gun in it” as an outpost is a bit unmanageable from a video games perspective, unless they handle those like the marked outposts. HOWEVER the rest of your comment I 100% agree with.
Why can’t I have an outpost in my bases safe zone be used strictly for beds? Or farming?
Days gone on ps4 actually incorporated some of the stuff you’re talking about(if you haven’t played days gone you need to. It’s a much better game that state of decay in some ways, and I hate comparing the 2 games.
I enjoy the corner office because of the idea of using the different floors and it's my fav base in this map. It was a harsh review of cascade hills but absolutely fair and agree with the arguments presented
It's been a while since I've been in Cascade Hills. So long that I forgot it only had two large large facilities. For an end game base, that does suck.
To answer your question, for me, the church is a great mid-tier base on the map. There are enough slots to put in a workshop, infirmary, (2) sheltered beds (I'd rather spend Daybreak influence and purchase the RT facilities like the barracks), a lounge (and under a sheriff, you can train at level 3) and the remaining spot could be a fighting gym or a shooting range. You can have both with the RT barracks. This is a perfect treadmill for training up your five guys. I tend to stay at the church a long time just because it's central and has the benefit of being an influence farm. It's only fault is that it's only good for 5-6 members. Otherwise, you lose utility to make bed space. The Container Fort is very nice, but it's biggest disappointing factor is the lack of the third large slot. However, once I no longer need training facilities (gym, range, lounge 3), it becomes very useful. Cascade Hills is the least advantageous of all the maps and for me, Providence Ridge's bases are all great.
Day of the Dead is one of the greatest horror movies ever made, and my personal favorite zombie movie!
This map is great for people who want a small team and a challenge too, Bridge fort, 4/5 people. Can be fun!
Agreed about Cascade Hills. I also think it's the worst map in the game. I actually like Drucker County, especially once you know where the short cuts for driving are. However, my fave map is easily Provident Ridge.
Knowing all the shortcuts in Drucker County make life way easier in it! But I doubt Fox could remember them all as we see him play SOD2 lol XD
Same for providence ridge, but trumbal is close
I love watching you play, but that spinning mini-map throws me every time I look at it.
Been looking forward to Drucker County, my favorite map!
i stayed in the Bridge Fort for my Dread Zone Warlord playthru😅😅 only 2 doors and a watchtower over both entrances was too good to leave
The Container Fort is a good base. It has a built in Spartan Barracks with no moral penalty, and Leeds Concrete acts as a Staging Area, so that's two additional large slots. The two built in watchtowers with no ammo cost are better than the built in watch towers in the other large bases. The Fire Station, your guards are rarely ever there, and in Whitney Field they'll shoot at your cars and blow them up.
It's also the easiest large base to defend during sieges. I like to hop onto the container outside the west entrance and pick off all the zeds from there. You get an easy view of the door to defend it, and when you stand on the container all the zeds outside who see you just stop and yell, so it makes it easy for your guards to pick them off.
Cascade Hills also has the best bases in terms of siege defense. The Bridge Fort is a great 4 man base, only two entrances and it has two built in watch towers by each entrance, it's easily the best base in the game in terms of defense. The Church is also great, not a single wall that zeds can climb over, and you can easily block off 2 out of 3 entrances.
The problem is some misunderstandings. Allow me to explain.
1) Defense is irrelevant. You only need to defend your base in 3 situations: CLEO drop, Haven Device setup, and Builder's Legacy final mission.
You never need to defend your base outside of that. You can just drive away. Defense is not important.
2) Beds aren't important. You can hit the highest tier of morale with 0 beds. Beds prevent you from losing -7 morale per bed. You can get beds from allied enclaves if you want them, but you don't need them. A level 3 lounge is more than enough morale to compensate for having 0 beds.
3) Leeds is the only good thing, but you could just go to Mohr & Mohr instead which is better than the Container Fort and easier to get inside of. You also can just build materials outposts to counteract your material losses on other maps. Leeds is decent, but it's not enough to make Container Fort good.
In other words, most of the stuff you're pointing out that's "good" about the Container Fort isn't relevant to the gameplay mechanics.
@@GitGudFox Good base defense is important, because sieges are the most fun part of the game! I never miss a siege, and I'm always trying out different ways of killing the hordes. The devs didn't give us all those different kinds of guns just to scrap them for parts! Yeah you can just cheese the game by ignoring sieges or starting a siege then driving away, but where's the fun in that?
Technically you could just stay at your starter home and speed through the game killing all the plague hearts. But that's no fun. I like role-playing in the game and pretending that my community is trying to survive the zombie apocalypse.
It sounds like they're mainly important to you because you can just skip them all, and I recommend everyone do that. If you've done 10 sieges, you've done 10,000 sieges. They're all the same after a while.
The thing is that you're on a video about recommending bases, based on their total strength, to people. To recommend a base for anything except its total strength is deceptive. You could trick a player who is still learning into thinking a base is better than it actually is when they read the comment section.
People can obviously like whatever base they want, but to call a pretty average base "good" is deceptive. Container Fort is comparable to to a 6-man base rather than an 8-man base. It's the weakest of its kind other than perhaps Fort Marshal.
So Happy u change your view on M&M I always loved that base but understand on lower difficulty the driving on it not worth it,I'm gonna be laughing when u get to the drive in theater in Drucker county
I moved in and almost move out of the next day! It was the worst base in Drucker county imo
He probably will like it since he loves his lounge 3 which is free there. I agree that base sucks
Great review of Cascade Hills! I really enjoy your analysis and the thoughtfulness you put into your commentary. Plus your humor 😊 I've never loved this map, but have made peace with it over the years. One thing I kinda wish is that you'd showcase how to leverage what each base gives you as much as possible vs. compare it to what you've concluded is most powerful in the game. While it's definitely true that some things are more objectively powerful than others, do players really just want to build Lounge 3 and Trade depot over and over every playthrough? I guess maybe many players will do that just to be most powerful. Personally, I find it kinda just too bad to cut out a ton of base building variety in the name of squeezing out a bit more power. It's kinda nice to pull on different levers in the game to implement different strategies, even if they aren't always perfectly optimal. Like, to go in the farm in Meagher Valley and not build any farms, or leverage the built-in kitchen, why even bother going to that base? That kinda thing. I 100% agree that M&M is pound for pound the most optimal base. I've pushed myself to stop defaulting to it, to try exploring more the other bases. I just wish L&K wasn't always blocked with 3-4 hearts.
Don't know if he'll see this tbh but this guy reminds me of technoblade so much and his vibe is amazing. Keep it up 👍🏻 love this channel so much
That's a tremendous honor to hear. I'm not even the tiniest fraction the tuber that Technoblade was though.
@@GitGudFox Maybe not in fame 😂, but mate honestly u have the perfect personality or whatnot to be a brilliant RUclipsr man. Not even just saying it. 👍🏻😀
You and the container fort have a rocky relationship. I remember you weren’t always it’s biggest fan, the same way I am, I use it it but we all know, we all know……
Or maybe I am misremembering
I've become a lot better an analyzing bases over the years, and with Fox-tier God Combos you can implement, the Container Fort can't do them effectively.
25:16 It's the walking dead where they put zombie guts on themselves to walk through a horde.
The first time they did it (I think was season 2 or 3) the token black guy died. (So the network guy saying it (sounds that he is black) is ironic and funny).
So it's agreed. Metal Gear Solid 3:Snake Eater Playthrough confirmed!
Pretending to be a zombie is likely referencing Shawn of the Dead
Cascade hills to me is a map for small to medium size forever community, the 4 and two 5 men bases are at the center of the map which is perfect to setup. Ideally, with 6 outposts setup around the town center, you will have the whole town without any wondering Zeds!
Other than that, I don't think Cascade Hills is good enough to call as a good map, just average imo
Shawn of the Dead. Its hysterical.
i love the new twitch series. ill be there
Having 8 beds take a lot of pressure of beds if you are trying to play realistic needs wise
I only teach how to play optimally, so I don't regard realism in my teaching. It's up to individual players to modify my teachings to their taste.
Speaking of a challenge have you done a playthrough without impaler or pyro launcher? I am working my way through all your videos and have not seen it if you have.
I'm actually finishing one up! Here is the link: ruclips.net/video/F5kN63P5Bkc/видео.html
This is my secondary VODs channel! There's a whole extra playthrough there.
@@GitGudFox Thanks
I like to put cars inside this base, u can do it acelerating south-north
I had to many NPCs to die on Cascade hills to be anywhere close to my favorite ✌️💀🍷
Yes, yes and more yes! The position isn’t the best but the base itself is one of the best!
What am I missing this has no beds in it at all when I moved in on Xbox?
They're there. You might need to build a facility to reveal the bonus.
Why don’t I have none of the bonuses of this base? Like I don’t have neither the beds nor the doctrine…
Check carefully in the stats listing for your community.
hej Fox did you looked in the main game in the last few weeks? first it seems they have the infestation mechanic already in it. second... i don't know if it is a bug or not, but when i switched bases, my outposts were disabled/gone. Restarting the game didn't fixed it....
I've noticed an increase in the infestation spawns on the main game. It sucks even more cause you still have to kill the whole infestation, not just the freaks.
I mean idrc to Min/Max sweat over this game. I just enjoy chilling. It's just a fun base IMO. Having a literal fort made out of shipping containers in the apocalypse is just badass, I like the area that it's in. It could be a bit more central but 🤷♂️
You can also have fun by having a base that lets you build more of a variety of facilities which encourages you to collect a bunch of character skills to max out.
I don't like Cascade Hills Map either. Tho I do prefer Container Fort over M&M because of location. Not the surrounding area so much as it feels easier to drive to than M&M. And I hate driving on Cascade.
Got any pointer for me I have amstarted doing state of decay content ad I would really appreciate any pointers
Join my Discord. RUclips isn't the place for such a complex conversation: discord.gg/GitGudFox
+8 Beds beats all negative thing, period. It is a equivalent of at least 1 large slot, or 1 large 1small slot for most of the time, or 4 outposts.
The only base that is better than this one would be the farm in Trumble Valley
You don't know what you're talking about. The 8 beds = 42 morale. That is nothing.
Building 1 latrine in the very beginning of the game would give you 30 morale.
Beds are garbage.
@@GitGudFox sounds like you are more than confident to do a no-bed-run. How about try to do it once then show us how to replace all beds with one toilet?
I can see you're new to my channel, so I'll give you the benefit of the doubt.
So you're watching Episode 82 of my Lethal Zone base tour. I'm up to 119.
There are no deaths, and I don't build beds in my bases.
Moreover, I have been playing the game without building beds since Lethal Zone was invented.
All of it is verifiable as I upload just about 1 episode per day. There are nearly a dozen Lethal Zone, deathless, unmodified, victories on my channel, and I don't build beds.
Lethal Zone has a -30 morale per survivor penalty as well, so I ASSURE you I know what I'm talking about.
@@GitGudFox Thanks for your detailed and insightful explanation. This is way better than starting with an accusation/personal language assault like "you don't know what you are talking about".
I do accept that your claims now, but according to your another (earlier) review, when mentioning toilets in Barbed Mall, you said that is a questionable built-in. So it the toilet good or bad after all?
I'll give you the more detailed explanation using beds and the latrine.
Not having a bed cause -7 morale per survivor missing a bed. It doesn't prevent them from resting or recovering from fatigue. Note that beds don't INCREASE morale so much as they cancel a possible loss of morale... meaning excess beds aren't helpful unless your community can grow more and fill the beds.
Common Bed Options (Small)
Sheltered Beds: 2 beds (cancel up to -14 morale)
Sheltered Beds level 2: 3 beds for 1 material per day (cancel up to -21 morale)
Red Talon Bunkroom: 5 beds but -5 Community Morale (cancel up to -35 morale).
Now let's consider the level 1 latrine.
Latrine (Clean Toilets): +10 Community Morale.
So these are all small facilities. It's important to note the difference between "community morale" changes and self only changes.
Community morale changes are +/- morale multiplied across everyone in the community.
Self Only morale changes only affect a specific character.
So, if you have a community of 3 people, and no one has a bed? You lose 21 morale.
So you build a Sheltered Beds Level 2, pay 1 material per day, and you prevent a loss of 21 morale.
OR
You build a latrine, clean the toilets, and get +10 Morale x 3 Survivors = +30 morale which overpowers the -21 morale from them not having beds meaning you still +9 morale overall.
The RT Bunkroom is worse. Suppose you have an 8-man community.
RT Bunkroom cancels -35 Morale... but also causes -5 Community Morale meaning -40 Morale.
Before RT Bunk (no beds): You are -56 Morale from no one having beds.
After RT Bunk (5 beds): You are -61 Morale with 3 people missing beds.
With a level 1 latrine (no beds): You are +24 Morale with 8 people missing beds.
BUT LET'S keep it simple.
The Latrine is +10 Morale x Everyone in your Community
Beds are block -7 Morale for everyone who has a bed.
10 is a bigger effect than 7, and if it's evenly multiplied across everyone, the latrine will always have a higher positive morale impact than missing beds.
So I'm thinking easiest way to get get boons (no boon playthrough) might be start by church, farming influence, materials, and people, then relocate for Whitney for finishing the game. Thoughts? Also yes, of the gears 2 was the worst.
Personally, I think I'd just do Trumbull Valley.
1) You get guaranteed Echo Labs scentblock + bloater gas
2) You get the Izzbee / Chavez quest where you get TWO immortal AI followers to help you kill plague hearts.
@@GitGudFox I mean I guess if we are going all meta. 😅
Well, you mentioned "easiest" so I am going to think "meta."
Although not always. Sometimes the meta demands some higher level gameplay to pull it off correctly.
Meta doesn't always mean easy so much as it means efficient.
My fav base, all those free beds.
I'd like to hear what you think about my analysis then!
@@GitGudFox I dont use as many large facilities. Trading post, the extra smalls use them to make stuff to sell for influence. There is enough room to get positive production or at least neutral on everything.
Hydroponics setup you can bounce between food and medicine, extra medicine can be turned into blood plague cures, when bundled sell very well. Lots of small spots to do this.
Also I like the area, its right next to a small town and a warehouse area right outside the door, I can just jet out the door and start smacking zombies around.
Aesthetics, the containers seem like better barriers than chain-link fences.
Did they change the 8 bed ?
They should still be there. Make sure you build a facility in the bed location to see the bonus.
And thus ends the "Fox whines about how every base in Cascade Hills isn't Whitney Field for 4 weeks" playthrough.
Don't like it don't watch bud.
He's just allergic to the truth. Fox makes a quantitative analysis that shows why you're favorite thing is bad; therefore, it must be whining.
It a great base but it always under attack from my experience,I prefer M&M cause I rarely get jumped and so far characters don't needless to outside the base just imo
Yeah, I have definitely had people go outside of the walls for no reason. It literally defeats the purpose of having walls too.
To prevent from that happening, I uses cars to block the side and the back entrance. Since the AI will detect that and all Zeds will walk around to the parking lot front, with a little more Cars setup you can easily funnel down Zeds attack. I always use a Van to park right at the edge of the climbable section, the Zeds will not attempt to sneak in like the side of Strip Mall. The downside of this is getting the cars or spend influence to call in more cars from your ally.
@@MingWLee this china guy gets it
@@pcraft8785 Why would you assume I'm a guy in the first place? lol
What I mention is going to be what exactly I will do in real situation. Why would you not safeguard your entrance in a Zombie apocalypse and leave it wide open?
@@MingWLee china girl then
I'll be honest the only thing I want is for them to release the latest update now. Been delayed twice already for us xbox players 😒
I never use The Container Fort. Mohr and Mohr works fine
chadly.
Dope
I respect everyone opinions imo I feel providence ridge my least favorite map, really hate how far everything is,the bases are good but majority time you'll stay in Rosie's or Warehouse
I live in Pacific Northwest therefore I love the overall scenery of PR! However, I would choose Trumbull Valley over PR, just look at that snowcapped mountain....
What? Didnt understand
@@pcraft8785 was saying imo Providence ridge is my least favorite map but I respect everyone opinions on what are their fav maps or dislike
@@nyhman78 ok and? I agree ridge sucks
Hi
Wow you guys are fast.
@@GitGudFox thanks Fox
Hey Fox why don't u just travel to the new map instead of beating the game and restarting
That ain't a half bad idea.
Playing the COntainer Fort now and it's bugged. No beds and zero guard posts for me. I just moved from the map with Squelones Brewing Company.
That's strange. There are other bases that are a lot better than the fort either way though.
What's with all the loli types in that discord?
Loli types?
Edit: second
Wow you guys are fast.
@@GitGudFox thank you Fox