Maverick Transportation - The SUICIDE Steel Coil Nightmare
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I retired after 35 years as a Trucker, refused to EVER haul rolled steel, didn't miss a thing...
Can’t tell you how many drivers I ran into that had no clue how to haul coils. This load is unusual being slitted and steel strapped together. That top chain to keep um together is a nice safety feature. This has got to be around 50,000 and HIGH CG so careful on those exit ramps!
I haul these all the time... a little sketchy!!! Especially if they have 4” wood between the coils.
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Ayy we out here Big Fred!! I just hauled a double coil load for western. No issues. Easy money!
Here in the UK we use specific trailers for Steel Coil Transportation. The Trailer has a deep gully down the middle and the coils sit in the gully the opposite way round to the one one this trailer. It cannot roll and is extremely stable in transit.
The trailer has lift out boards that cover the gully, so you can use it as a normal flatbed if required.
Many things here in the U.S. are done ass backwards.Way to many people in this country don't give a shit. Many companies don't want to pay extra money to do things right. No matter if it kills people.
Yup! Its more of a common sense! If you put the metal roll the opposite way its less rolling back and forth...not the way this video does it, no matter how you tie it down, it will roll back and forth, and the metals used as stopper is not even tall enough to hold the coil when it breaks loose....Science? No! Common sense!
Jawee The reason most of the tine you have to haul “suicide” or the way this guy is because, the receiver and/or shipper can only load or unload coils set on the trailer in that fashion.
@@Danny-gj4yq 100% correct, i slit coils for a living, and anytime we have some stupid shipping instructions it”s because the customer doesn”t have the capabilities of unloading the coil in the safest way.
those “coil trailers” got popular in the states for a while and they’re great if all you haul is coils. They had a fibreglass canopy that slid back and forth that replaced tarps to. Not versatile enough to haul everything flatbed carriers in the US must haul though!
I know for a fact that those coils are extremely heavy. I am a sheet metal worker and the sheets of metal with which I work come from coils just like this. One of those coils broke loose and fell off the back of the trailer. It landed on the hood of a car and flattened it, engine and all down to within a foot off the ground. Scary to say the least.
Worked in a plant where we slit leveled and ctl sheet metal. Some of the big coils that were 72 wide would easily be over 40,000 pounds.
No thank you to that. I am a retired carpenter, just laying on the couch. Much respect for these truckers! Without them I would be laying on a dirt floor instead of a couch in the living room.
@@dapperdingol
Lmao are you kind of genius? How do you know this is heavy
@@PanchoOrdaz Because I have worked around them, with them and seen evidence of what can happen. No 'genius' needed.
Whenever I see a flatbed with coils, I get the hell around it and way away.
As a press operator that processes steel coils like this I thank you getting our loads to us safely.🍻
There's a simple solution for this problem in the UK. Most coils are carried on trailers with a coil bed built into them. 10mins to load 3 nine tonne coils, 10mins to strap them, good to go!
Not only in the UK😉
Worked at a toll processing plant for years. All we did was Steele sheet metal coils. A lot of slitting. Shipped bundles of coils like this every day. Not uncommon for them to be 45,000 pounds all together.
Some of the automotive exposed Steele that GM used for body panels for cars and trucks would go in and out in those “cradle trailers”. Should be a law. These chained in flatbeds are dangerous.
Most of our stuff was tarpped but some of the thicker cold rolled steel Ike this stuff or the thicker galvanized would go out not tarpped but you are right it is rare.
@@demodick No need for sheeting (or tarping) a load over here, our specialised coil carriers have a concertina tarp on side rails, just type in "Dennison Trailers, coil carrier," it'll show you what I mean.
those coil trailers were used in the US as well but never sold in high numbers. They had a fibreglass canopy that slid over the coil well to replace tarps. Reason was they could not be used for other commodities besides hauling coils. Now if you had a platform to go over the coil well it could work but then the trailer being too heavy might become an issue.
@@kimmorrison9169 yeah there was one carrier that used them all the time with us. But only that one.
I had seen another that it just had plates on hinges that flipped over to expose the valley so the driver could use it for other normal flat loads. That had to be more expensive and heavier which in the end is no good for $$$$. That said I would never haul a large coil in a flatbed. But I am not a truck driver so that doesn’t really matter. Lol.
Enjoyed your video, bud. Hauled coils myself through the nineties. You were articulate, precise, and fully explained why you did each part of the process. I would have done a couple of things differently, but those are mostly differences in the way I was trained. Almost made me nostalgic.
Down around Montgomery Al. they have had many of these coils come off trailers or flip them altogether, when they talked about what they needed to do to prevent this, someone told them that they needed to get them off the flatbeds and haul them on lowboys and that it would solve over half the problems they were having.When you raise the center of gravity on something that heavy that high your just asking for it.
Birmingham had the same problem about ten years ago. For several years they kept smashing the interstates in downtown. Amazing nobody was killed. The coils were coming off the beds. A pattern of accidents like that has to mean it's mainly the same ideots behind it. Wonder what the cost was to clean up the mess and repair the holes in the concrete. I worked at a place that brought in coils and slit them for a while and zero road accidents. I don't know if there is a machine that can flip a whole coil 90 degrees cleanly. The big coils are moved "suicide" so conventional machinery can handle them.
william dawkins hauling shotgun or suicide coils you can flip the truck easily. When hauling a coil and taking turns you are supposed to go no faster than 3mph making a right turn at an intersection. And no more than 5mph making a left turn. Our company has rear axle dump valve on all our trailers for a reason. It's easier to make those turns. It balances better, and your truck won't turn closer to the trailer as fast. It will pivot the trailer. Many companies with split axle flatbeds don't use or squire dump valves. Which can cause some problems when you actually need it.
Here in the steel city of Pittsburgh that's a daily occurrence around the area - one time one came off a truck rolled down a hill and killed someone sleeping in bed in there house one night.
Here is the main problem to why accidents continue to happen around your area, and having road disasters. For 1. Securement of the coil is extreme priority. I've seen stupid owner operators cheap out on the chain securement just to leave as soon as the coil gets on there trailer. I've seen people take right turns way too quick. I've seen people swerving the truck left and right on a straight highway. Accidents with coils can happen when your not careful and you are on point with your securement. The guy on this video for maverick. I would NEVER EVER run my chains inside the steak pockets like he did. He basically cut his securement strength for the coil in half. And can create a major risk.
You can have the same problem hauling coils on low deck trailers. But here is the key to reducing the amount of accidents that involve flipping a trailer.
Our fleet has about 99% of trailers. 48foot spread axle with air dump valves.
With an air dump valve you are able to drain all the air out of the suspension bags on the trailer. Allowing the pivot the trailer for sharp turns and curves on the road. This actually is very handy for the drivers and I can make a right turn with no problems hauling coils. Another The problem why many accidents can occur is company's like Melton have 53 foot trailers, and don't use an air dump valve. So the trailer cannot pivot and make turns as easily. So they have to turn more wide and cut the wheel, which can make the last axle of the trailer Skipp and making the coil rock sideways and flip a truck. It's not nessessarly the height of a trailer. It's actually the length of a trailer and if it has an air dump valve or not. Your better trailers are 48 foot trailers with air dump valve. I personally wouldn't recommend low deck trailers because they don't have air dump, even though it's low to the ground the last axle and wheels can still skip when making turns, this making the coil tip over and possibly flip the truck on its side.
Drivers, please continue being professonal and conscientious. As someone commented, gutter trucks sounds safer to me, worth the cost. A couple coils got loose in Buffalo NY 25-30 yrs ago. Don't know how they were loaded or secured, but i do recall several fatalities in the opposite lane, one was a mom going to work after dropping off at daycare. Once they are loose no knowing where they are going, rolling or flipping. So much responsibility.
Ok ,I loaded a guy out of Philly one NIGHT. End of day. Worked a little overtime to get him out. Loaded him up with asst.sheets from a slight defect house. I never watched him secure load. Slight rain. Everybody tiered. Next morn. State trooper at the job. Wanted a report. Sheets went sideways on 476 on /off ramp (very tight). Needless to say a woman was decapitated with a single sheet. Once it left my bldg its no longer my problem. Driver was responsible for that load.
I learned a lot from the video and the lengthy discussions that followed. Thank you for making and posting a fascinating video. I do fear that yours is a diminishing profession. Best of luck.
I like seeing the Maverick boat division trucks going found the road, that looks like more fun than messing with normal flatbed loads.
I hauled steel coils for 17 years and transported all sorts of different steel products. Slitter coils aren’t too bad if you have them choked at the top like this guy did and you have enough cradle braces to support the weight and wood blocks directly under the coils. The worst load I’ve hauled was 3 tall skinny coils that were 22” wide, weighing 32,000 lbs each and loaded suicide. I put 4 chains through the eye of each coil and two leash chains from the top of each coil to the deck on each side to keep them from tipping sideways off my trailer in case of a swerve situation or just the inertia from a regular turn while driving. When I got them to where I was going, the receiver said I was the only guy he’s ever seen secure that load correctly and the only guy that didn’t deliver them with at least one ready to fall over!😳
i would have had the receiver put that in a framed letter . And then hand a copy to the DOT , OSHA and a bunch of other Gov officials that can make some changes . The load is called Suicide Coils for good reason
Growing up in a steel town (Sparrows Point) there were truckers who hauled steel in our neighborhood. When I was young, we lost a neighbor hauling a coil loaded suicide which broke loose in an accident and rolled over the cab. So I do see the nature of the beast here.
I've always wondered why larger cradles aren't required to haul these loads. I'd be fairly anxious hauling any such load even with multiple chain binders without some other protection. The short cradle pictured in the vlog wouldn't stop roll in a severe collision/sudden stop.
Yeah suicide won't stop that
If you get into a full head on. Not much is stoping that much weight. Drivers seem to know, if you get stuck like Chuck. Its all over.
inertia is a bitch and she has no mercy for the stupid, so dont drive like an idiot and you should be fine.
The DOT should shred your CDL for the way you have that coil tied down. You need to spread out the tie-down points to decrease the stress on the chains. I can't believe you haven't gotten red-tagged for that.
It also should pull backwards instead of even 🤷🏽♂️
I didn’t quite catch his clue at the actual weight (and frankly, didn’t care enough to rewind)…. So I don’t really know how many chains I would have used.
But, my own personal rule of thumb was generally to chain per DOT requirement, then add one more pulling a little more rearward. If you don’t have the time for that, you need to work on your time management skills 😉
@@bobinthewest8559at my company we chain coils by the weight but chains rated at 4000 pounds for securement to exceed dot requirements for safety. I'd probably have had to have used 10-12 chains for that and some straps with felt protection, with the back side with one more chain than the front toward the cab
Chains should not be attached to the rail. Especially the way he did it. That is scariest part, right after no loop chain
Absolutely he definitely should’ve sprayed a double chains out a little more
So back before Interstate 49, from Fort Smith to Fayetteville on highway 71 I saw SOO many coils of steel unrolled, so many trailers upside down. Glad that you guys have a safer route now!
I remembe in the 70sr going with my dad to docks on the East coast of the UK to pick up steel coils from a German ship. We were on and off the boat through the freight door and my dad never worried but when it came to loading I was told to get in the cab and stay there. The trailer was unhitched and away up the dock.
He had a trenched trailer with three coils loaded eyes to the front and chained through and over, no sheeting. still clear in my mind was the tension in all working around the load. Thanks for bringing up good memories
I was getting a partial out of Toledo going back to Chicago, heading home. I found another partial south of Detroit on the way...it was very similar to what you are showing here, but, only two coils (similar thickness metal) that were "upset". They had been re-banded (as best they could, not equal winding as yours. They were then set on their side and each banded to a large pallet and scraps of wood, not providing much of a "level" surface.
I was told by the agent the load needed to be tarped. When I got to the PU, was told the opposite, no tarp needed. They weren't big, I didn't mind tarping...but, upon closer inspection....the edges were jagged and WAY sharp, broken on different angles and bent outward and up. These coils had been CLEARLY marked "scrap metal" all over them. I wished I had a conestoga or a covered wagon flatbed!!!
I called the agent a second time, took photos, emailed, etc.
I didn't understand the need to tarp...and, wasn't willing to trash my tarp, didn't have a "throw away", and was needing to get further down the road to pick up a second partial in time.
My time for getting to the next stop was getting close. I was pissed because I was forced to wait in line outside for 2 hours, not getting a visual on this load until I got backed into the loading area.
I ended up leaving without it. The broker got pissed. I tried to explain as calmly as I could, the load was never described as being a destroyed coil. You get a coil load, there are certain "expectations" of how the load will look, especially if it needs a tarp.
I never got a dime for the waste of time. And, I swore I'd never do business with that broker again, who was big, but, has since gone out of business.
I don't do flatbed anymore...too old and fat to jump on and off that thing...and frankly, the pay isn't that much more to make it worth all the effort to secure the load. But, good luck to those that do!
Mike Mascow io
Mike Mascow the broker was getting the tarp pAy
You still drive?
@@emmyv9605 Not much, I sold all my equipment, trucks, trailers as well as my authority. I drive to make some extra $ here and there, last time I did was in June.
The guys who bought my business and authority would like me to drive for them, I said I'd do a few days a week as long as I get home every day.
But, right now, we bought a new house on a lake, so, been busy packing, remodeling and cleaning both places and finally moving this week.
How about you?
If those pockets are rated for the weight then sure but id personally never hook chains to the state pockets themselves especially doubles lol but to each their own.
I used to work at a pipe mill in Sweden and we got all our coils loaded that way as most companies would use either a crane or a forklift with a "horn". But we did usual get our coils by rail as we used 4-500 ton material a day.
I watched many of these coils unchained when I worked at a truck wheel manufacturer. Some trucks brought them in three coil in back, two in front. About 1/3 of the loads would come in leaning. I would watch drivers unchaining their loads. It would always make me nervous as they removed those chains. I saw several of these coils fall over and off the trailers. Our crane operator would hook the coils before the driver would take the last chains loose. Some trucks brought in a single coil weighting 45,000 lbs. Most trucks brought in five separate coils weighing about 7,200 lbs each. Most coils arrived with no tarp. One day we had over fifty loads come in.
I drove for Maverick for 1 year, they are tarp crazy. I loaded slinkies in south Texas, I was the only truck there tarping. The reason I quit was my fm was an idiot and no amount of complaining would convince them to let me change. So I gave them a choice, I would have another fm or another job. I drive a cement mixer local now. same pay, home every night.
I hear ya, now to find a cement moxer.
@@DaleLClay
Try southeast WI. No idea of pay ranges.
I've had the band's bust and the coils shift on those coils like that , choker chain is a must .Only load I've ever had shift.
That's a JMS load going to Sand Springs OK. if I remember correctly. Webco
Haha, as soon as I heard that horn going off I knew it was a Cascadia with the parking brake off and the door opened 🤣
msmith5150 People used to think I was honking at them lol. 😂
I worked at Freightliner (now, Daimler Trucks North America). Great company to work for.
Thats a great idea. Life saving. A guy driving a maxi load of lumber 105Klbs gross at 7 feathers in Oregon forgot to set his brakes on a slight decline. He walked all the way into the truckstop and sat down to eat. Meanwhile his truck rolled into another tractor. Thankfully no one was hurt. A driver went in the restaurant and found the guy. I walked buy the wreck and heard the guy say I swore I set the brake. The DOT cop climbed up in the cab and pulled the valves pshhhhhhh. Felt bad for the guy.
Looks good in exception of the angles on your forward and rear prevention chains. DOT will put a damn angle ruler on that crap these days.
Story of a driver from Nucor Steel. Lost control of his semi due to poor road conditions and drove off and down a hill. Semi hit the tree and driver was knocked unconscious. He wakes up to find his whole passenger side... gone. Completely destroyed. Down the hill was the steel coil, all crumbled up.
Driving with those coils are deadly when caught in an accident.
Bet he went to church right after leaving the hospital 😂
It's the nature of the business.
Don't Screw up.
Crazy! At first I thought it was odd that you as the driver would have to secure the load, but then I realized that makes sense since you're the one that'll see it anytime you stop along the way, to make sure it's remained secure, or to “shore it up” if it needed adjusting or reinforcing it.
Very cool!
cool stuff dalethankyou for sharing
I once hauled a huge cable roll on wood on a pup trailer, with no good way to secure it, man, I was nervous the whole way to AMTRAK, thank god it wasn’t that far, had wood placed underneath the reel, this and that no way to properly secure it with a load bar, that was crazy I almost refused the load and I was damn glad to get that behemoth off my back!!!!😥
Those are dangerous. There are other dangers too. My brother worked in a factory that used those, before they could punch out the part shapes, they had to be rinsed in acid, then washed. My brother walked by the open air acid baths, accidentally breathed some in, and has had chronic lung problems ever since.
They are called, "Pickle Plants." Every vehicle parked outside ended up ruined from acid erosion. The one I worked near had to put scrubbers to control exposure to the acid bath exhaust. After rinsing the coil it was run through oil to preserve it. The old plants really put employees through hell and ruined many a good man's health. Sorry about your relative.
@jimmyfly
The plant I worked at slit the coils after pickling them. The individual I addressed mentioned the pickling process. I had experience with pickling, slitting, and packaging cuts for shipping. Negativity is unbecoming....
@jimmyfly hey both have danger in common; safety is the unifying theme.
I worked at Evraz in Red Deer Alberta (formerly known as IPSCO) for about 8 years. I spent about 2.5 of those years working on the mill, so when I was at the uncoiler or running the overhead crane, I had to move these coils around a lot. Looks like coils for 3.5" pipe, but could be for other applications too.
Good vid bro. I like the way you detail everything. I do use alot of the info you share,keep up the good work
This was super important and extremely informational! I use this in my everyday life! This is something we should all care about! I'm so glad you wasted your time making this video so that we can all see this! This is a must-see!
I needed this video. Thi is exciting and eye opening as it relates to the danger of hauling such a load. Thanks for posting. Drive Safe
Thanks, much nicer than many that post in this one?
Questions: Do you have to untie and unload the product? Do you have to purchase your own chains and clamps and bungies? How long is the training, what's the worst part of the job?
I'm thinking about going through training with Maverick
I unsecure and secure loads. Shippers and receivers load and unload their product. All equipment I used was provided by the company. Training is 4 to 6 weeks long or longer depending on the individual. Worst moments, um.... bad drivers.
@@DaleLClay Thank you so much Dale. A recruiter contacted me today. I have no interest in doing regional or working at the doc so I declined at this time. Again, I appreciate you. Stay safe and I'll keep up with your video's. I hope to see more. Thanks
I was regional. Just means you tend not to travel west of Kansas, but end up all over everything east of there. What are you looking to do?
Nice video showing how you hold that in place. Thank you for making sure everything is properly secured.
+David Norton Thanks
HI Dale, I hope all is going well on the road. Well, looks like I'll be trying to hook up with Schneider. Thanks again for the video. I truly appreciate it. Be safe out there on the road.
I always hook another chain to the one that isn't long enough on the slitted coils, nice job, you're meticulous as I am.
Why am i watching this?
You are a Mindless automaton that has no control over your own faculties. Welcome to the cell phone generation.
Recoils in horror! :P
O.O
The reel question is why not watch it?
It's 3 AM. What else am I going to do.
It is my personal belief that Maverick has the coolest trucks on the road. I am biased being from Little Rock, AR, but spend a lot of time on the road and always proud to see a Maverick truck rolling down the road.
There all automatics I'll pass on maverick I'm sure they have inward facing cameras to spy on there drivers too
I used to haul steel back in the late 90s when I moved into flatbeds. Never cared much for it but it's nice to see good load securement (I saw a lot of sketchy coil securement back then). The past decade, I've driven mostly oilfield and wind sites (blades the last couple of years and recently back in the North Dakota oilfield), permitted loads mostly. I'm glad the steel hauling taught me the basics for good securement but I don't miss it in the least.
I work in a large automotive stamping factory. I unload these coils daily. It can be a nightmare. The first few weeks I ran the 50 ton overhead crane, it was kinda scary lol
Kamtek?
@@mrlevhil I Deal with Kamtek yes. But also Brose, Ogihara, Multimatic, VW, BGM (Bowling Green Metals) Adient, Faurcia, etc.
Seems it would be far safer to transport these coils, with all seven separate, and layed down flat across the whole bed. Seems to be asking for trouble putting the whole load so high up and all in one place.
it would be safer, definitely, but the suits at the shipper and/or consignee, who don't have one hour logged behind the wheel, decide that it's faster to load, unload and store them this way thereby increasing productivity. it's all about the bottom line to the corporations, and maximum safety they feel costs too much in man hours and materials.
Or one could take safety to the extreme and flat-ship just one coil per trailer. smh
When properly secured and transported, FMCSA code provides all the safety the economy will bear.
Most would stack these cuts on skids and load eye to the sky. Customer dictates.
I used to work in the industry that slit these coils from larger coils of various materials. This is a dangerous way to transport them but easier for the receiving company to unload and process.
We used to, for the most part, build wooden skids and lay the coils flat separated by wood.
The receiving company would lift the coils off one by one using adjustable c-clamp 'fingers' that would lift them up and right them to a standing position to be loaded onto the bore of a machine to work the metal.
That was the preferred and safer method.
@@mr.d.4175 skid won't hold
Great video Dale, appreciate the detail explanation of your securement. Camera in camera 👍
Funny thing is. The metal service center I worked at in Philly,specialized in blemishes or second coils and sheets. Not prime. So I saw a lot of it including painted and such. Level a coil that was scrap,send it to a shear. Cut out the good. So on, usually had a lot of work. 20 yrs ago
Here in the Uk we have specially built coil trailers with wells in the middle in which you sit the coil. Makes no sense to be hauling them on a standard flat?
they have that here in the states too, but its a specialized trailer that can do nothing but coils, so its specific to the steel producers and nowhere else, they cant even haul bars back out of those area so its a pay run out and nothing coming back....not a way to make money in the long haul unless your dedicated to doing it for a producer. ive hauled this and it goes 500 miles round trip on average
You’re completely right! This is sooo dangerous! I’ve seen multiple videos of things like steel bars and wood pallets slamming into the cab, crushing it and the driver when the driver stopped at a red light! This is even more dangerous than those items! I wouldn’t carry it if I was a trucker.
I work on a slitter that cuts these coils into these "slit coils". Not having a tarp is beyond comprehension, so that's really weird. But, having the coils slit and bundled sideways like this is the wackest thing I've ever seen. In 15 years of working with these I would have never thought anyone would do this. As far as suicide loading goes, it's fine if you have enough chains. The chain around the top holding the coils together is a good idea. If this load came into my place of employment I'd utter more than a few epithets for sure. CRAZY LOAD.
The trailer was covered, why would it also be tarped?
@@DVankeuren The trailer was not covered at all, and he said that the load was not to be tarped. Steel is always tarped, in my experience. Maybe the customer likes rusty coils.
I am trucking for 38 years and i have hauled countless loads of these steel coils , I caught this video and noticed from what I can see is that your two outer chains are not cross chained meaning forming a x pattern with the intersection in side the coil . By cross chaining you are less likely to ever have that coil come loose , I have seen coils loosen with the method you have . P.S. having the centre chain is good to use even in a cross chain configuration .
honestly these coils should have some kind of brace on top with chain going forward and backwards extra
I think it should be on a specially made heavy duty steel pallet to avoid it from rolling off on a hard stop. And secured with thicker chains.
And what do you do with this big steel skid, when I unload the coil and go for a load of lumber, you have never drive truck have you ?
Seen the aftermath of one of these rolling over a cab onetime after the driver rear ended another semi... suffice to say the driver didn't make out too well.
thats why its called Suicide loading/eye to the side vs Shotgun or eye facing the rear
I carried 10 chains, and with a max load, I used them all. Mike taught me to do a belly hold back. (fasten to back side of trailer, accross the front of the load, then back to the other side.) My brakes were a lot stronger than my power, so I didn't have to worry much about it sliding backward.)
Place i work at coil steel comes in on heavy material skids laying flat. Mind you at that thickness with our forktrucks we would only have 2 to 4 coils per skid.
i always prefer to pull coils loaded suicide. they seem to ride better. trailer doesn't want to roll as much on turns. just gotta be sure to oversecure and leave plenty of following distance. safe travels
+jack handy 👍
jack handy Sound advice my brother!👍
me too shot guns will slide
Coil racks used to be illegal in CA. I used to have to get 5 2X4s, cut 6 cletes, pound 30 nails then throw chains to secure that coil.
Thank's for being so safe , when I was young a company I was driving for wanted me to carry a huge load , steam ship cap at least 12' ft circ. that weighed to much for a 30ft single axle straight bed I refused . The guy that took the load lost it getting off the freeway , turned the truck over lucky no one was killed. Lost respect for the company and left . Safety first!
Why isn’t custom pallets made for these things. At least chock it properly with decent cut logs.
A simple frame could be strapped & chained. For added safety. But would add cost I suppose
Seroisly. A custom pallet would be super helpful
Back in the 80's we use to haul coils out of the mill every day. Almost all suicide, and always heavy. 100,000 gross on 5 axles was more or less normal. There were a couple guys doing "Back gate loads" with Autocars and modified trailers going out the back well over 150,000. They only traveled a couple miles down the public roads though. I guess now they would never get away with that
I have seen, many years ago what you call " back gate loads". On 8 axle trailer people taking out 5 big nuggets, around 250k.
Seen a photo once of a truck that went off the highway and the coil crashed through the cab, scary site.
Wow. When I was driving Flatbed, I never, thankfully got a drop and hook coil load. Always loaded when I was present and always Shotgun. Though Suicide is easier to chain ; ). What killed me was almost every coil, I was told to tarp it. Then I'd deliver it to yards with thousands of rolls out in the open, rusty, and I'd untarp the damn'd thing, and they'd put it outside with all the other rusty coils. 0_o. And they're a bitch to tarp too. I think the CO I drove for only paid like $15 to tarp and it was not worth it.
Yeah...had lots of those loads too. When I asked what the point was of tarping them, they'd say it was to keep any "Road Film" off of them...and it didn't matter if they got rusty sitting in their yard. They also said the customer pays to have them "Gift Wrapped". The Company also collects a few hundred for tarping, while the Driver who does all the hard work gets paid a pittance...see how that works? Slavery on 18 Wheels!
that could also be to keep the DOT away. they love it when you don't have coils secured correctly right out in plain view. at least the tarp makes them do their job.
The reason I was given for tarping, even when I knew the coils would be thrown in the mud, was road salt. Iron and steel will resist a lot of water and other crap, but salt will destroy naked steel in short order. Back in those days, we weren't paid for tarping - that was just part of the job.
lol
I saw a couple of your glass trucks heading west in AZ the other day. Didn't think y'all went that far west
+Lee S All 48, it's just rare out west. Glass also goes to Canada
Lee S I've seen their flatbed in az the other day too, I've never seen them before
BTW, most slitted material was on it's side,on pallets. Solid coils always loaded stand up.
13 tonne ? One pothole and it will fall over and those straps won't stop it at all .Normally slit coil are flat with timber slats between .Pretty sure in Australia this would illegal on account of dangerous loading practice .
A little over 48,000 would be my guess. We get shotgun slitted coils out of Houston, Tx and those are a pain.
jason escobar And Railroads load 3-4 of these on coil cars designed for gross weight of 240,000 lbs including weight of a steel cover.!
jason escobar over on federal rd?
348frank348 yes sir. Those are lots of fun lol
Maverick says 1 rack per coil min regardless of weight, it’s rare to have more slits that weight. But we only do 8k per rack so.
Guy I know will haul two coils on back roads if he's hard up for money.
When I tie them down I always use extra bungee cords
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Back around 89 or 90 one of those coils fell off a truck here in southern california and went half way through an overpass,, it punched a hole through the surface of the road... screwed up my drive to work for weeks while they did repairs... Also used to see them all the time at staub metal in paramount, we had a sheet metal shop on the back of there lot.
saw the aftermath of a bad one in chicago years ago on i-90 on the south side. coil snapped the chains when the driver braked hard to avoid a collision in rush hour traffic. coil was loaded suicide. rolled through the trailer bulkhead, through the headache rack on the back of the cab, through the cab itself, pancaked the engine, rolled over a four wheeler and then took out most of the concrete overpass supports on the 115th street overpass before finally coming to rest. both the truck driver and the driver of the four wheeler died. cb talk said driver only had 2 chains on a 40k# coil and that they were loose. happened in early nineties....
Just curious as to how the coil chocks are secured to the bed or perhaps, the load? In my experience any sudden braking will create tension on the rear most chain. Along with the pull of the forward most chain...failure of the load securement could result, in the event of front end collision.
45,000 lbs. Of potentially rolling weight wants to continue to keep rolling when traveling at 60 mph. and is suddenly put to the test.
What we need to know, basically, is...what is the force applied and the combined breaking strength of chain and securement points.
Force applied is in reference to a sudden stop as in the case of the front end hitting an immoveable object.
God bless the truckers of the world and the trucking industry as a whole. You guys are truly gifted.
The coil racks set on the deck the timbers set in the coil rack rubber mudflaps lay across the timbers
The timbers have a corner knocked off at 45° to cradle the coil. Oh. The timbers have to be clear hardwood with no knots.
On the trailer is a spot that says place single coil here that's where you know to place the coil so your not over axle. Only "coil spec" flatbeds/step decks can haul a single coil safely. The "math" is weigh of coil devided by weakest link. Securement devices are DOT required to have a weight rating visible on the device. That top chain is a safety chain
To keep the "slit" coils from leaning side to side.
u could make a jig to make it safer friend. even a cage that straps to the bed
Dale the next time you are repairing your tarps can you film it and please show us
+dennis thorn I will try
that will be a great video
Picked up a few off the ground in Decatur Alabama from the turn off 20 on to the bridge
I know where you picked that up. I hauled a bunch of those from there out past Ft Worth, just running back and forth. Used to stop at that station with the diesel fried chicken, though I never got around to trying any. They required all the coils to be tarped back then.
I miss flat bedding, this was a sloppy way to secure this load!
@Patrick Sulley He has 6 chains securing the load. 2 pulling forward, 2 pulling down, and 2 pulling back. Then another on top unitizing the bundle.
@@sapperveteran245 8 chains. Minimum. Three to the front, fout to the back, one center.
Then one holding it together.
Dude! Connect 2 chains together to make the figure 8 securement. I wouldn't go posting a video of an improperly secured load that you've transported all the way across Arkansas.
Right....I live in Arkansas and now I know to stay the hell away from Maverick trucks hauling coils. 😓
john public instead of using a figure 8 you can also X strap it
"Attaching tiedowns diagonally through the eye of a coil to form an X-pattern when viewed from above the vehicle is prohibited. (Section 3.3.3.2)"
www.fmcsa.dot.gov/regulations/cargo-securement/drivers-handbook-cargo-securement-chapter-5-metal-coils
Thank you for sharing this. That is strange- without a tarp. Still- you were able to show the scary but awesome beauty of all that deadly mass.
The trailer was covered, why would it also be tarped?
@@DVankeuren I see no "cover". It is an open flatbed.
In this situation, a tarp is normally used, to protect the shipment
and reduce air drag. A secured heavy canvas tarp is also another
layer of safety containment.
Flatbed driver:
1 chain can hold down 4700- 5000 pounds .
If your coil weighs 40.000 your gonna need 8 chains threw that coil.
It all depends on the weight of your coil . The weight is on the paperwork and go from there.
You still have to be sweet when transporting these coils no matter what.
I want to see a rig like this in a 65 mph crash test.
All trucks are toast no matter what they are carrying when you go from 65mph to 0mph instantly.
I absolutely agree Dale. My thought was about where the roll of steel went. 46,000 pounds of steel rolling toward your car at 60 mph is a scary thought.
Go 55 and laugh at the trucks stuck behind you.
Looks good Dale. My guess on weight 49,000 pounds.
Worked for Maverick Transportation for 3 years, great company.
I like that you used more than (2) chains and wood. Best way I've seen yet! I always see just (2) chains
this is dangerous you have to complete the Figure 8 holding the top from shifting from right to left if you only have one side then the load can shift to the other. one of these coils just heavy enough to smush a four-wheeler like a pancake. and it has happened. the driver should have never left without completing the figure eight securing the top of those coils.
Kelvin Boyd yes sir. Combine 2 chains if you have to, so the figure 8 is complete.
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One chain pulling the top one way? Not good! Looks like you could have used a short ratchet on that loose hook then down to the side.
Show me in the FMCSR where that top chain is even necessary. 393.120 covers coils, but you won't find it there. Go ahead, show me.
Or you can do 2 chains to binders. I won the driver side go over the top of the coil and through the eye and hook to the chain at the edge of the eye of the coil. Same on the passenger side. Works good with short chains
The only suggestion I would have is using big lumber and big coil racks. Anything coil that size using small lumber and small coil racks can have your coil touching the trailer floor leaving it to move slightly and causing the chains to loosen. Other then that looks good. Great video and info thank you.
obvious you know your stuff.. thanks for sharing..
what app are you filming in? love the PIP effect.. is this in the one capture? or post edit?
No application being used. It's just my Galaxy Note 3 phone.
I see these without tarps and suicide loaded all the time around were I am. One truck with B-Train trailers and a spool on each trailer.
Now, I remember being a kid and seeing what happens when those bands break after an MVA. Clock springs they are.
I would've added one more chain holding it toward the rear of the trailer. I've hauled them suicide as well as shotgun and have never once had a problem. I don't understand what you're talking about when you say Suicide steel coil nightmare. It's just another day and another dollar from what I can see. You want a pain in the rear to secure, try hauling a load of slinkies...
you got that right about the slinkies!! hate those things...
This might be a stupid question, why load it vertically and not horizontally?
The way of product gets loaded often depends on how the customer can unload it.
In Michigan it’s transported like that all the time I rarely see a tarp on a coils of steel theirs usually 3-4 per trailer.
Here the rest of us can get an idea of the work truckers do. My hat's off to you sir.
Coils like that came off of a semi a few years ago in Minnesota, rolled down the highway and a guy in a full size Dodge truck hit one and died.
There should be five chains on that coil
I can promise you these coils don't roll.
@@wgist87 why?
@@rareELL they just squish under their own weight.
If its a smaller one it would maybe roll. But its too dense and the centers typically do not have any reinforcement so they just squash.
They would slide and tumble if anything.
@@wgist87 oh ok thanks for explaining!
Steel, the foundation of a modern world.
I thought Concrete was the Foundation of the modern world, learn something new every day :P
Dale Clay the Roman's invented concrete 1000 years ago
Aaaaah, .....So the Foundation of the Ancient World
Dale Clay I guess when you consider it. The ancient world is the foundation of the modern world. And if concrete is foundation of the ancient world then concrete is... Oh nevermind.
BUT, what is the key ingredient of any nutritious breakfast...a cheeseburger!
Maverick says 1 chain for every 8,000 lbs. so, your coil is between 40,000 and 48,000lbs.
I live in canada and that's all I haul . Never had one not tarped. Nice job with the tie down,real professional. You can come work for me anytime, if you can stand Canadian winters.
I've never had that happen (coil without a tarp), I'm sure if you run along side of a county or state trooper on the road, he will take a good long look at it. Looks good though!!!
AMA and maverick are the poster child for what's wrong with the trucking industry! The owner of maverick is one of the biggest promoter of the Eld mandate !
You must be really mad about a load that Maverick "stole" from you or something. So many feelings, and all of them wrong.
I havnt hauled junk freight for 20 years ! So no maverick did not steal my load fool ..its the big picture of huge company's that have run the trucking industry into the ground ! I was smart enough to get out of commercial freight and did milatary and now jet engines exclusively. My point being that rates are the same and in some cases lower than in 1990 ..maceri k cheap freight doesn't affect me in the least ,but that doesn't mean I shouldn't care about what has been lost due to big company's with a million trucks driving down rates for the next potential owner operator ..if I care that rates are no better than 1990 ,how does that make me wrong ..all u rookies are happy bringing home 6-800 a week and from your comments it appears u have no inventive to make more ,your only interested in making stupid comments to someone ..get up off your ass and see what's going on right in your face instead of being complacent with minimum wages...your pay should be double what u make is my point ..im sure ill get anther smart ass comment from one of you rookie dumb asses , enjoy your 32 cpm and your less than minimum wage career! You take what I'm telling u lightly but think about it ,if the rates and cpm is the same now as in 1990 and after 30 years they haven't changed, were do you think you will be in 10 years duh ! Mabe at 35 cpm ? Have fun trucking at your big company ,they will get every mi out of you they can for a cheap as they can and when you finally wake ,some other dumb ass will be standing right behind u waiting for u to get your shit out of your truck so he can go make a million dollars as promised by lieing big company recruiters..say it ain't true ,say it won't happen to you ,but I will make you promise ,this will be you ! I've watched it happen to friends and I see the look on most drivers faces at the truck stop ..you will soon have the same look ..boycott big trucking company's or demand fare wages one of the two ,that's how I really feel ,sorry if you think I'm wrong or don't like the truth but after 30 years in the industry ,you might want to take the advise
Mike Wasko exactly mike, and it has nothing to do with safety. They’re complete sellouts to the trucking industry and the American trucker.
JjJ Thomasson thrse big co are running trainer and trainie like real teams forceing inexperienced drivers to run a full 11 hr driving day ..the solution to less accidents is a restructuring of training practices and longer trainer periods ,not by forcing Eld's on a driver with 25 years under his belt ! ..big co and lobbiest will be the death of the trucking industry as we know it ..theres no incentive to make trucking a career..i made 38 cpm for TMC in 1992 ,I dout they are paying that much now ..i left there 3 years later when they went from 250 trucks to 950 in two years and started there bullshit big co ways ..most poeple think and feel the same as you and I but yet here we are with big co and the gov. Controlling when we take a crap and every min of our day ...tge most important piece of the trucking puzzle (The driver ) and we have no voice ..i bought 160 acres in WY and will park my truck for good in two years ,I'm done with beating myself up bouncing back and forth across the country now for 28 years..lol ..i think I'm going to park my truck on the back side of my property and use it for target practice and let a tree grow up though the middle of it ...happy trucking dude ,thanks for the reply
+Mike Wasko let me ask you a question? would you have left the shipper without completing the figure eight securing the top of those coils from shifting to left to right. I know I wouldn't!!!
is this guy qualified to do tutorials on safety? I don't think so
I ran OTR for a full year and I would be surprised too to see an untarped coil in my briefing. Noticed your chain protectors don't have padding against the coil which would make securing that coil simpler.
Putting some wedges at the bottom should help them not to roll if the chains fail, just shape them up to the coil, they could be 4x4s or 4x6s and getting the chains in more of an angle should hep keep the load in place too, not to mention heavier duty chains, but also a reinforced bed anchoring!.
Coil racks are pretty much wedges. And you want less angle when hauling coils. Ideally your chains are close together pulling mostly down with some slightly to the rear and some slightly to the front. Uneven number of chains put extra to the back. I can’t tell if his chains are 5/16 or 3/8 from the video but 3/8 grade 70 is more than enough chain for coils.
Take it up to 70 and jack on the brakes ! Be sure you are playing James Taylors Steam roller blues before you do it .
Scott Odonahoe I drove for Maverick and if done correctly, this securement would survive a roll over (side) used to blare music through big cities all the time lol
Your chains are wrong how they are connected ti the trailer. You go around a spool, then up through the center of the pocket and hook your chains. Thats incorrect. You would go around the spool that all the way around to the far side of the pocket so that you are oulling on the entire pocket, not just half of it. Also, you never hook more than 1 chain to each pocket. If you rip a pocket out you now have 2 lose chains. Spread your chains out farther to get onto other pockets. If Maverick is telling you to hook those chains the way you have them, then their safety director needs a new job.
Where did you find your information. Double check your dot book.
@@anselmo910 that's per dot regs. You need to go read the load securment dot regs.
Doesn't really matter.
Under a hard braking condition all the chains would snap like plastic zip ties.
You better steer around any emergency, not brake for it, or you are likely . . . dead..
@@thetowndrunk988
I was not talking about what is regulation or not not even what is legal or not.
I'm talking about the actuality of what will happen with it secured like 3:03
and you lock up the wheels.
2Truth4Liberty you watch too many movies.
I spent 5 years working at a plant that had 6 Slitters for heavy gauge steel, from .065 to .625. This load would never be sent out like this for any distance, except maybe across town. Normally these cuts would be placed on wood pallets with or without wood spacers and placed eye to the sky. All the wood used was covered with a thick waterproof paper product so the moisture would not put rust spots on the steel. (pressed wood has moisture squeezed out). If the customer only had a "C" hook to unload these cuts it would be ordered this way but sales department would need a release BECAUSE THIS IS NOT SAFE. These look like 10" wide cuts as the maximum width before slitting is usually 72" and this load has good banding (notice the thick white cardboard placed on the end of each cut). They could have placed cardboard on the outside banding so the whole thing does not pop apart from friction rubbing against the banding. Overall this is a good job of banding but NEVER load it suicide regardless of the number of chains holding it down. The height of this load is also worrisome. I have seen loads that toppled over. It only takes one to convince. The best option, after eye to the sky, would be to have a trailer with a carved out center in the bed and the cuts set down partway into it. Yes, I am done and I quit the job to further my education.
I hauled lots of coils and never, not once, did I ever have to tarp one. I also never used that many chains because I've seen one break loose and the reason it did was not because of chains but the fact that it was not in the bunks properly. If the coil is touching the floor there's not much you can do to secure it.
So you secured your coils with straps then? Interesting. None of my coils touch the deck, thats why we use the angled timbers to create a cradle for the coil which also keeps it off the deck.
No such thing as straps back then, they had not yet been invented.Two chains only because as the guy who taught me said, they won't hold it anyway. If the loader at Stelco ever saw a trucker tying down coils that were touching the floor he'd stop the driver right there and make him change it. We never had the angled timbers just normal four by fours. We only used two bunks per coil too. If they're spaced properly more will not help.
I've seen one coil get shook off the trailer on a steep hill when the driver missed a gear and jerked so bad it broke the chains and the coil rolled off the side and started rolling downhill.If it had been in the bunks right it might have stayed there.
There just happened to be another trucker driving his full size Pontiac who put it sideways in the path of the coil and bailed out. The coil shoved the passenger side door over till it was touching the drivers door and the rest of the car wrapped around the coil. The owner of the company that lost the coil bought the guy an almost new Pontiac. If the car had not been there the coil would have rolled down hwy 6 and landed on the 403 where it would have to drop about 14 feet or more onto the multi lanes and when it touched down it would likely unroll. What a mess that would have been.
+Doug Fever Ouch
Any Coils I have had how up to my shop are secured with many large 6x6 blocks to make basically large wheel chucks for it. Those are also secured to the trailer, this seems rather unsafe during an emergency braking situation.
Why would they not lay each slit coil on its side and pack it on a pallet? This does not look like a safe load to me. I am in the steel fabricating business...have been for 31 years. I have between 200-300 coils on my floor at any time and I have never had a load of slit coil delivered like this. What is the advantage?
Yeah, we would not order mults like that. Each would be palleted if under 12". We used to get some 2 coil mults that totaled about 50 inches that were banded together. Those were fine in our case since our C hooks can handle 65" widths.
Exactly right. That's very heavy gauge steel too. I would be very reluctant to accept delivery of this material in this fashion.
It's probably what the customer requested. Many companies don't have fork lift trucks or aren't set up to unload skidded coils.
METALITHrevetments it's the size Vs laying it on a pallet. If it could be seated on an wooden pallet then it would be over dimensional load. OverSize besides the weight of it would crush a pallet during delivery. Would not recommend. You have been in the steel and aluminum business? You should know what these size coils are used for. Looks like this guy is hauling aluminum coils 1/16th of an inch thick. Factorys that purchase these, put them on an machine wheel. Run it through a conveyor and cutting machine. And make products as simple as fence pipe. Or railing. Even floorboards for cars. Toolboxes etc.
I had to haul one of these in shotgun formation. I was not happy about it and requested to be loaded suicide. But the factory workers insisted only shotgun formation.
In B'ham., Ala here. Have seen the damage coils do to road surfaces if they come off the flatbeds. Ain't pretty. We had a period from 1980s to almost 2000 when we were getting loose coils on a yearly basis. Haven't seen/heard about one lately. Maybe the changed the laws or rules for carriage.