I can easily now hear the difference between all of the transpositions of trumpet. (Also trying to play a C trumpet myself I got a lot better) Also, the Frumpet still hurts my soul.
Mr. Hamilton... you did it again! Entertaining to the end. Each trumpet segment had my interest, then bam! Final composition of all tones. Haha! Another great segment. Bravo!
They are very rare and no specific calls for it on scores are on record - Los Angeles Philharmonic then-principal tubist Roger Bobo co-developed it in collaboration with Swedish brass maker George Strucel in 1967 because he felt it would have been a better bass in modern-instruments performances of Music by Gabrieli and other late Renaissance composers than bass and contrabass trombones, but they have been very rarely used, and seemingly never specified on any score. Just is the performer, switching to / doubling on it if s/he deems it's a better option than other instruments. But it's so rare, it almost is more of a novelty than a fixture. And the "cimbasso" (piston contrabass trombone) egregiously covers the same range, so the contrabass trumpet probably is even superfluous.
@@TenorCantusFirmus I'd probably argue that a cimbasso really is a contrabass trumpet. Unless someone is going to disqualify it because it doesn't _look_ like a trumpet - but a contrabass instrument in the shape of a trumpet would be incredibly heavy and awkward.
Awesome collection!!! Have you ever thought about trying to obtain a (while it doesn't serve a massive amount of use, and more for very niche places) Piccolo trumpet in C? A few years back I very nearly bought a semi-inexpensive one since I've wanted to play a picc trumpet, and I loved playing the C trumpet for a concert
Only main ones your missing are Piccolo in C, Eb Alto, Bass(tenor) in C, And there isnt really any true contrabass trumpets because most of them have a very small bore, or are unwraped tubas, and so on, the closest you can get to a contrabass trumpet is a valved contrabass trombone or cimbasso.
C piccolos are pretty rare (although I see Schilke do at least make one to order). Probably because most of the time on pic you are playing baroque parts written in D on an A piccolo, which comes out as F major under the fingers. Playing the same parts on a C piccolo would have you playing in D major, which has notes like C# which tend to be harder to tune (and intonation on piccolos tends to be... interesting for want of a better word, so I suspect they optimize them for the common case).
@@jeremydavalosmusic The Brandenburg would definitely make sense since it is in F to start with. It is also probably one of the few pieces so terrifying that a pro may well drop several thousand dollars on an instrument purely to make it slightly easier to get right :)
Piccolo in C is quite rare. So are the rotary and slide variants are just trombones. Contrabass is also missing but it is just a tuba that points forward with valves unlike a trombone. Also, they can be very expensive as I've seen piccolos in C resell for 4,000
Great stuff! It's a shame you couldn't include the tromba marina. (At the Musée de la Musique in Paris, they include it with the trumpets even though it is a stringed instrument because they know that most French people have heard of it from the comedy play by Molière 'Le bourgeois gentilhomme' and will look out for it. It comes across as an extension of the joke about it in the play.)
I love my Coppergate Gear4music C trumpet - far clearer and easier to play than I expected for a budget instrument - but one day I hope to get a D. It was The Trumpet Shall Sound, from Handel's Messiah, which first sparked my love of brass from way back when I was a teenager billions of years ago. It was probably the first piece I ever taught myself to play on any brass instrument, though that was on a crappy cornet and a medieval torture device that was visually shaped like a French horn but played, looked and smelled like a rusted-up sewage pump. I have never even held a D trumpet but if that should happen then that would be the first piece I'd mangle with it.
Oddly the professional players I know all play that one on an A piccolo rather than a D. My last teacher had a convertible D/Eb and he only used it in Eb (for the Haydn/Hummel/Neruda) - if it was baroque and in D, out came the picc.
Since there's a soprano bugle in G in this video, (which it's not very common unless you're Murican) a cornet and a flugelhorn are dearly missed. They're quite common in western Europe, as is the Flügelhorn (rotary!) in central Europe. And I should say I missed a rotary valve trumpet... Some of these I saw on the wall 😉👍
Yep, trumpet in f was the de facto trumpet for a long time, and sounds a fourth higher than written. So a high C would be F above the staff concert pitch
Hello Trent, You seem to be an expert. I don't know if you would be willing to answer a question. Anyway, here it is: I have Lafayette by Cousenon long cornet from around 1900. The serial number is 7. Trying to get some kind of value on it. The horn is a good player although I'm still working at restoring it. Any idea of value?
@@RetiredBrass Thanks for the reply. I have since found the serial number on the mouthpipe It's ( 2963 France NT- ) The horn is in great condition if it's 113 years old.
I NEED TO KNOW THAT LAST CHORD AT 0:11. I'm sure the top the notes are 4th apart (so like C, F and Bb), can anyone help me figure out the rest? Thank you! Nvm, got it, it's (Starting from bass): Eb, Bb, G, C, F, Bb. Pretty hot quartal voicing!
I'm surprised that they haven't made tuning slides on trumpet that allow you to switch from C to Bb or A (on a C trumpet) or from Eb to D (on an Eb trumpet), since it's already a thing on Piccolo Trumpet (having two different slides that allow it to play in A or in Bb)
D/Eb trumpets are pretty common, on mine you change the main tuning slide and the 1st and 3rd valve slides (Yamaha 6610). There are also plenty of Bb/A cornets from early in the 20th century, often with a rotary valve to switch between the two tunings. Yamaha did sell a convertible Bb/C trumpet at one point (4435 I think).
There was a trumpeter in college with me that had a Bach Bb/C trumpet. Also, many of the small trumpets also have double sets of tuning slides to change the key. Piccolo of course, B-flat to A, and there is the D to E flat, among others.
My dad played the trumpet ever since I can remember. All his life. Brings back good memories of him. Even when he passed away we played a trumpet at his funeral.
Trent, everything - EVERYTHING - you play sounds rushed. You’re obviously skilled, so just slow down a touch and let us hear that skill. It’d be a different matter if you could actually play well at the faster tempo, but you made at least one mistake every time you attempted the excerpt. I’m not trying to be a jerk. Which would you prefer, music played at tempo with a bunch of mistakes, or music slowed down just a bit and played well? Your channel is amazing, and I always look forward to new videos!
What about Alto trumpet in Eb? Also the "Tromba", a Baroque version of the Alto Trumpet - in the key of low F. And look for a video called "World's Largest Trumpet" a black and white video taken in the 60's, which features a Trumpet which has the same pitch as a Tuba. I think in F. And I think there are larger trumpets, such as a sub-Contrabass Trumpet, which some East European guy has invented, which is also on You Tube, although I don't know the link off hand.
F trumpets are interesting - there's F alto trumpets, which have a larger bore and are more or less a valved alto trombone, and there's the narrow bore F trumpets which were used up until the early 20th century, partly because you could play parts written for older natural trumpets in anything from B to F just by holding down a bunch of valves and playing it as a natural instrument (and I think some had a crook to drop them to low Bb). There's quite a few pieces scored for 2 trumpets in F and two cornets in Bb (eg Vaughan Williams London Symphony). (Note that they are notated an octave higher than played, because that is how natural trumpets were notated - you never used the bottom 'C' on a natural trumpet).
THIS should have been his new outro!
The ending is beautiful
I can easily now hear the difference between all of the transpositions of trumpet. (Also trying to play a C trumpet myself I got a lot better) Also, the Frumpet still hurts my soul.
2:17 Singing Happy Birthday be like
All out of tune😂
Yo wtf it's even worse
The only trumpets that I've seen played that aren't included here are high F and C piccolo, and both are pretty rare.
How about a Eb Bass Trumpet?
high and low G is also among the more uncommon ones.
You know I was curious if he had the A-B flat rotary trumpet and he does, I also do and I love it.
New intro and outro! Awesome, glad to see them put in :)
Mr. Hamilton... you did it again! Entertaining to the end. Each trumpet segment had my interest, then bam! Final composition of all tones. Haha! Another great segment. Bravo!
Ending was beautiful
there are contrabass trumpets out there, so i can see that it's incomplete.
He did say "almost" complete
They are very rare and no specific calls for it on scores are on record - Los Angeles Philharmonic then-principal tubist Roger Bobo co-developed it in collaboration with Swedish brass maker George Strucel in 1967 because he felt it would have been a better bass in modern-instruments performances of Music by Gabrieli and other late Renaissance composers than bass and contrabass trombones, but they have been very rarely used, and seemingly never specified on any score. Just is the performer, switching to / doubling on it if s/he deems it's a better option than other instruments. But it's so rare, it almost is more of a novelty than a fixture. And the "cimbasso" (piston contrabass trombone) egregiously covers the same range, so the contrabass trumpet probably is even superfluous.
@@TenorCantusFirmus I'd probably argue that a cimbasso really is a contrabass trumpet. Unless someone is going to disqualify it because it doesn't _look_ like a trumpet - but a contrabass instrument in the shape of a trumpet would be incredibly heavy and awkward.
@@DavidMonro The border between valve/piston trombones and "bass" trumpets is so tiny we can argue that's the case...
There is also the subcontrabass trumpet
I think two trumpets that you should also add to your trumpet collection are a rotary valve piccolo and a three-valve piccolo of some sorts
Yamaha and Schilke have made custom E, F, and G high trumpets. They’re expensive but available.
We still need the tuba series and french horn series Trent.......
We're waiting.... and we won't leave until we get what we want.
Awesome collection!!! Have you ever thought about trying to obtain a (while it doesn't serve a massive amount of use, and more for very niche places) Piccolo trumpet in C? A few years back I very nearly bought a semi-inexpensive one since I've wanted to play a picc trumpet, and I loved playing the C trumpet for a concert
There are 3 Valve Bugles too.
Looking forward to the Gb and Db trumpet videos
Only main ones your missing are Piccolo in C,
Eb Alto,
Bass(tenor) in C,
And there isnt really any true contrabass trumpets because most of them have a very small bore, or are unwraped tubas, and so on, the closest you can get to a contrabass trumpet is a valved contrabass trombone or cimbasso.
Yes! Now all we need is that super-piccolo trumpet
Piccolo trumpet in C? Plus all the rotary/piston/slide variants.
C piccolos are pretty rare (although I see Schilke do at least make one to order). Probably because most of the time on pic you are playing baroque parts written in D on an A piccolo, which comes out as F major under the fingers. Playing the same parts on a C piccolo would have you playing in D major, which has notes like C# which tend to be harder to tune (and intonation on piccolos tends to be... interesting for want of a better word, so I suspect they optimize them for the common case).
C Piccolos tend to be used for a couple excerpts almost exclusively, like the Brandenburg and even Ravel's Bolero, sometimes.
@@jeremydavalosmusic The Brandenburg would definitely make sense since it is in F to start with. It is also probably one of the few pieces so terrifying that a pro may well drop several thousand dollars on an instrument purely to make it slightly easier to get right :)
Piccolo in C is quite rare. So are the rotary and slide variants are just trombones. Contrabass is also missing but it is just a tuba that points forward with valves unlike a trombone. Also, they can be very expensive as I've seen piccolos in C resell for 4,000
Lovely set of trumpets and lovely mixed pitch finale.
Where's the 5 valve water trumpet? You left out the most essential member!
I like the sound of Trumpet in A, Bb and Piccolo in Bb.
I too have a two valved bugle in F, except for some reason someone thought it was a good idea to give it one piston valve and one rotor valve.
Those were the rules at the time. Perinet-style didn't get legalized until around 1978.
Hey, this man includes a Soprano Bugle as a trumpet. Let's get em!
I mean, it technically is. It came from the military’s bugle, which is actually a field trumpet
0:36 That Frumpet sounds alot better, guess it needed to be cleaned.
OK, but now with The Licc.
I kept wanting the bit you played to become the ending of the Sunday Morning intro.
Great stuff! It's a shame you couldn't include the tromba marina. (At the Musée de la Musique in Paris, they include it with the trumpets even though it is a stringed instrument because they know that most French people have heard of it from the comedy play by Molière 'Le bourgeois gentilhomme' and will look out for it. It comes across as an extension of the joke about it in the play.)
I love the mash up.
What was the old baritone looking thing on the bottom right of the wall
The struggle is real!!!
Is there a name to the song you were playing?
Mozart - Overture to La nozze di Figaro
That moment when you realize, there's a literal sub contrabass trumpet..
Its just a unwraped tuba, so Its like a subcontrabass flugelhorn.
Fantastic ending.
I love my Coppergate Gear4music C trumpet - far clearer and easier to play than I expected for a budget instrument - but one day I hope to get a D. It was The Trumpet Shall Sound, from Handel's Messiah, which first sparked my love of brass from way back when I was a teenager billions of years ago. It was probably the first piece I ever taught myself to play on any brass instrument, though that was on a crappy cornet and a medieval torture device that was visually shaped like a French horn but played, looked and smelled like a rusted-up sewage pump. I have never even held a D trumpet but if that should happen then that would be the first piece I'd mangle with it.
Oddly the professional players I know all play that one on an A piccolo rather than a D. My last teacher had a convertible D/Eb and he only used it in Eb (for the Haydn/Hummel/Neruda) - if it was baroque and in D, out came the picc.
The sample thing sounds like a mozart piece but I can't remember which one
It's le nozze di figaro
That's the one it reminds me of
That's right, Trent is playing the very beginning of the overture
my favorites are: A trumpet, C Trumpet, and the Bb Piccolo
Timestamps:
A: 0:57
C: 1:22
Bb: 2:06
End is easily the best part
Since there's a soprano bugle in G in this video, (which it's not very common unless you're Murican) a cornet and a flugelhorn are dearly missed. They're quite common in western Europe, as is the Flügelhorn (rotary!) in central Europe.
And I should say I missed a rotary valve trumpet... Some of these I saw on the wall 😉👍
The piccolo sounds so whimsical
What is the sheet music for this on b flat trumpet? I wanna try this cuz it sounds nice
Can you please do a video on the f alto trumpet? I see it in Mahler and do not know the history
Hey I want to know more about the trumpet in f. I see trumpet in f parts in Mahler and am wondering if thats what they played back then.
Yep, trumpet in f was the de facto trumpet for a long time, and sounds a fourth higher than written. So a high C would be F above the staff concert pitch
Hello Trent, You seem to be an expert. I don't know if you would be willing to answer a question. Anyway, here it is: I have Lafayette by Cousenon long cornet from around 1900. The serial number is 7. Trying to get some kind of value on it. The horn is a good player although I'm still working at restoring it. Any idea of value?
The 7 is not the serial number but the year of manufacturing, so it is from 1907. Value is a matter of what people are willing to pay for it.
@@RetiredBrass Thanks for the reply. I have since found the serial number on the mouthpipe It's ( 2963 France NT- ) The horn is in great condition if it's 113 years old.
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I CREATED NEW TRUMPET WHEN I MERGED ALL TRUNPETS I HAVE
Nailed it!
Hi Trent! I was wondering if you had any thoughts about Wessex Tuba products
I'm obviously not trent but I like that they're selling Helicons in the modern era
He did make a review on a Wessex Contrabass Trombone a month or two back.
@@isetta4083 Can't forget about the British F tuba. I need one
can you show me/make a video of the trumpet in F?
Looking forward to the day you get a g/f piccolo trumpet
I NEED TO KNOW THAT LAST CHORD AT 0:11.
I'm sure the top the notes are 4th apart (so like C, F and Bb), can anyone help me figure out the rest? Thank you!
Nvm, got it, it's (Starting from bass): Eb, Bb, G, C, F, Bb. Pretty hot quartal voicing!
What is trents actual main instrument. Like which brass is your main?
Yes. From what I've heard him say it's trumpet, but practically plays as whatever is needed in the brassband he is part of
@@wiebemartens1030absolutely wrong he plays mostly low brass, he is an euphonium player
2:41 thats impressive, ive never seen an instrument in the key of d
No Eb Bass trumpet, at least you compensate that with an F Frumpet, gorgeous.
I'm surprised that they haven't made tuning slides on trumpet that allow you to switch from C to Bb or A (on a C trumpet) or from Eb to D (on an Eb trumpet), since it's already a thing on Piccolo Trumpet (having two different slides that allow it to play in A or in Bb)
Most Bb trumpets have a long enough tuning slide to tune it down from Bb to A.
@@filiphauangundersen3228 yes, and with it comes a hopeless intonation problem...
D/Eb trumpets are pretty common, on mine you change the main tuning slide and the 1st and 3rd valve slides (Yamaha 6610). There are also plenty of Bb/A cornets from early in the 20th century, often with a rotary valve to switch between the two tunings. Yamaha did sell a convertible Bb/C trumpet at one point (4435 I think).
There was a trumpeter in college with me that had a Bach Bb/C trumpet. Also, many of the small trumpets also have double sets of tuning slides to change the key. Piccolo of course, B-flat to A, and there is the D to E flat, among others.
My dad played the trumpet ever since I can remember. All his life. Brings back good memories of him. Even when he passed away we played a trumpet at his funeral.
My favorite one is in the key of F
Any particular favorites anybody? Personally I loved getting to use a D Trumpet for playing in the pit orchestra for West Side Story.
A "D trumpet in the pit for West Side Story." If that's not the most obscure euphemism, I don't know what is...😏
make that your new outro music
Trent, everything - EVERYTHING - you play sounds rushed. You’re obviously skilled, so just slow down a touch and let us hear that skill. It’d be a different matter if you could actually play well at the faster tempo, but you made at least one mistake every time you attempted the excerpt. I’m not trying to be a jerk. Which would you prefer, music played at tempo with a bunch of mistakes, or music slowed down just a bit and played well? Your channel is amazing, and I always look forward to new videos!
Top!
New life goal, obtain Frumpet
Youre A trumpet is very sharp in pitch... almost like a Bb trumpet
Have you ever improvised
You are missing a single V G/D and a piston rotor soprano..... do you need them? I have some thats I can part with
I've got one, but it wouldn't add anything to this video.
@@TrentHamilton Yeah...but the drum corps guys wanna see you play that lick when the valve positions are reversed and you're playing with your thumbs.
I have to nitpick here, that's not an A trumpet...
I’ve seen G piccolo soprano bugles
What about Alto trumpet in Eb? Also the "Tromba", a Baroque version of the Alto Trumpet - in the key of low F. And look for a video called "World's Largest Trumpet" a black and white video taken in the 60's, which features a Trumpet which has the same pitch as a Tuba. I think in F. And I think there are larger trumpets, such as a sub-Contrabass Trumpet, which some East European guy has invented, which is also on You Tube, although I don't know the link off hand.
Hence the word “almost” in the title
He doesn’t own all trumpets lol!
F trumpets are interesting - there's F alto trumpets, which have a larger bore and are more or less a valved alto trombone, and there's the narrow bore F trumpets which were used up until the early 20th century, partly because you could play parts written for older natural trumpets in anything from B to F just by holding down a bunch of valves and playing it as a natural instrument (and I think some had a crook to drop them to low Bb). There's quite a few pieces scored for 2 trumpets in F and two cornets in Bb (eg Vaughan Williams London Symphony). (Note that they are notated an octave higher than played, because that is how natural trumpets were notated - you never used the bottom 'C' on a natural trumpet).
@El HM yes
What piece is the excerpt from?
What about the Flugelhorn though. D:
Lmao wow this was fabulous
what is the song
This coment used to say that he forgot cornets, but they are not technically trumpets, so i edited it to this.
No I didn't, because they're not part of the trumpet family.
@@TrentHamilton Come to think of it you are correct. Cornets come from somewhere else.
Why was there no pitch change between A and Bb a semitone apart isnt hard to hear
Isn’t that a tenor trumpet in the beginning?
bass trumpet then f alto trumpet
Frumpet?
tenor fanfare trumpet btw
A bass trumpet Eb missed
Flügelhorn Bb missed
Just need a e flat and a c bass trumpet
WHAT IS THAT 2 VALVE TUMPET BRO WHAT THE HELL
It is a Soprano Bugle In G
No cornets???
Probably because this video is about the trumpet family...
The "A trumpet" was actually a cornet in A, so there you go!
I feel the need to just say 3rd
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Frumpet
first
Nice