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For whatever reason I hadn't watched a video from you in a few months and going from a few months ago to now you look absolutely great man. Congratulations on your weight loss.
I know right? He looks great!
i was thinking the same thing
Same!
Same thought! and now with a suit jacket too! lol
Same I haven’t watched in years, world of difference Trent, keep it up
You've become quite adept at handling Chinesium metal
As a Euphonist, I'm concerned that giving trumpets an additional octave will make their egos too large to control. I mean, we can handle that much awesome; just look at our horns. But trumpets? Methinks the village may turn on you, Frankenstein. 🤣👍
Almost octave. No compensating system means no good B natural, and B-flat on trumpets is really quite hard to achieve. The ego trip thing is a large worry, though.
Nonsense. We trumpet players are well known for our extreme humility. Our unparalleled skill entitles us to brag far more than we actually do. After all, the entire concert band literally exists just to provide pleasant background ambiance for people listening to the trumpets.... 🤣
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Me: *sad french horn noises*
Those trumpeters who wanted it have had four-valve flugelhorns at their disposal for a long time. It hasn't driven them mad... yet.
Hey as a trumpet player I resemble that remark
I did near the same thing 50 years ago when I was in high school. But rather that have the 4th valve as you have made it, I cut the valve tube from a 2nd valve in half and made the 4th valve lower the pitch a quarter step. I wasn't lucky enough to have a torch and soldering skills, so I just glued it together with epoxy cement. It worked great and years later I had a proper repair person solder it up for me. Love the experiments. Good show.
Wow nice!! Any videos of you playing it??
So a Don Ellis fourth valve then.
@@mal2ksc That's exactly what I was thinking
As a low brass player, I have found those 4-valve flugelhorns interesting and have pondered getting one for the possible extended alto range to make up for my lack of high brass chops, lol
Love seeing creative stuff like this. A concern for practicality/necessity often stops a lot of fun from being had.
The horn still sounds quite good too!
I’ve been watching this channel on and off for almost 5 years now and was a little shocked to see how you look now. I guess I could say we’ve both lost a good bit of weight since then but congrats!
One of the trumpet players in my brass ensemble plays a four valve flugelhorn. Boy was he surprised when I actually wrote for it. Four valve trumpet..... Better be prepared to use it 😜
I find it amazing how much of a difference you look after losing all that weight, especially after watching a few of your older videos from a few years ago.
If it wasn't for your voice, I would swear that you are a completely different person.
I had the same reaction.
I got so confused when I saw him again because he looked so different
I was so ecstatic when I heard a XingBao was being customized.
I am in awe. Excellent job making something that plays in tune.
I believe it was Myles Davis who had a four valve trumpet made for him. In his case the 5th valve lowered the pitch quarter-tone. He was experimenting with new sounds. I hope your explorations are good. I'm a tuba player who has a 4-valve instrument which helps in tuning some pitches, and extends the lower range. Some tubas have five or six valves.
Excellent Trent, thank you. I recently had an Eb tenor horn customised with a fourth valve - euphonium style for the left hand - and it’s great - nearly four octaves range.
I always thought a mini-euphonium in E♭ or F, complete with compensating 4th valve, could be a very interesting solo or small ensemble instrument. It might even be practical to do a full double system like a double horn, which of course gets stupid heavy with a euphonium. Imagine an E♭/B♭ tenor/baritone horn, fully switched by the fourth valve.
@@mal2ksc Yes, I agree, such an instrument would be great. But I have to make do with my non-compensating fourth valve on my Eb tenor horn! A compensating system would need a lot of research and development I’m sure!
@@derekhayes8209 Yes... unless you use rotary valves rather than piston. Both compensating and double-horn (and even triple-horn) systems are made much easier mechanically by using rotary valves.
@@mal2ksc That doesn't actually sound all that impractical, even as a double euphonium. That's less total length of tubing than a typical double horn, and I highly doubt it would end up weighing more than about 8kg/18lbs, probably less, and tubas can be like 50% heavier than that.
This is so cool Trent! I binge watch your videos all the time. Came up playing trumpet but I switched to tenor sax in college. I still pull out my trumpet and play occasionally though, I keep just enough chops to put brass parts on recordings! You satisfy my inner brass nerd. 🙏
Im the opposite! I came up playing tenor sax and am switching to trumpet for college
This is very encouraging! I have been thinking of doing something similar with an old 2-valve bugle that I got dirt cheap. It has a wonderful tone and resonance but I'd love to give it a 3rd valve, thereby essentially making it a trumpet in G. That said, I think I might seek a professional's help here in Canada. I don't think I have the skills to do it on my own.
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Well done @Trent Hamilton can’t wait to see your trumpet some more
I have been wanting to do something exactly like this! Your videos are fantastic. Great work, and can't wait to see the final product!
Entertaining and informative, as usual. Your self-deprecating humor always elicits a smile. This experiment of yours, suggests to me that brass manufacturers have a market niche they could fill. Reminds me of the four-valve quarter-tone trumpet that Don Ellis used fifty years ago.
Beautiful sound.
Garage mad scientist, are as mad as a hatter, one of the horns looks like the Jean Paul TR430 rose brass lead pipe horn, which was a gift. Strovi, already makes these 4 valve horns, you must know that.....Entertaining vlog.......Tweakers never get tired......
Ahh no, I didn’t use the Jean Paul trumpet on this project :).
@@TrentHamilton Atta boy, I was just wondering..I had a cringe effect.....
Wow how impressive! you actually made it work!
Interesting content. Superb photography & editing. And an engaging presentation.
Pretty Outstanding Well Done!!!
A really good idea that worked! Time to celebrate!
Very nice. Allows to play a few notes in the classical literature that the unmodified instrument has trouble with. Usually low F's (Eb concerts).
Now you need a replication of Don Ellis's quarter-tone fourth valve and you've got everything covered.
Or a Kanstul "tune any note" trigger slide, that'd get you your quarter tone pretty easily as well as being an interesting gimmick in its own right.
This is absolutely incredible!!!
Havent watched your videos in a looong time, Trent. You're looking great!
Stomvi makes a whole range of 4-valve trumpets, cornets, and flugelhorns in every key from Bb up through soprano A cornet/piccolo. They're on the high end of the price range for professional trumpets (though nothing like the like of Monettes) but Stomvi makes great quality instruments.
I've got a Stomvi master trumpet in Bb, my favorite horn (and I have... too many lol) Ironically, my second favorite is a 1928 Conn 22B I bought for $50 in an antique store... valves were seized, in the wrong order, and backwards. Horrible solder and patch jobs, plating wearing thin and tarnished... other than doing some valve work, I left it exactly as found because it has so much character but they're buttery smooth now, good compression, and I can *feel* the trumpet resonate when I play.
Excuse my language, but this video kicked ass. Thank you so much for showing the work and process involved in this. It really came out sounding wonderful. Ya'oughta patent it and get Jin Bao to produce it!
Wow this turned out really well! Good stuff!
Looking good my fellow Trent! Hope all is well your way! Keep on keepin' on!
Thanks mate :)
Dude that was so cool! It was so intune, which may have just been the players fault but hey I'm just gonna go with it works. Excellent content.
You are an inspiration Trent. And you have at least 78 thousand friends on here!
Absolutely Amazing!
I love your humor, and your hands are golden. I suggest adding another 8 slides to simulate a one-octave piano keyboard to make the instrument more friendly for pianists too
Your idea would get him so many views
@@naggerddahicks7173 it will get him much pain in the arse too though
Great idea. You better patent the improvement before someone steals it.
Wow, those soldering skillz 🎺
Well done, my favorite musical mad scientist!
I have never understood why 4 valves on trumpets are not the standard, when literally every other professional brass instrument calls for at least that many.
I suppose that it may be, as the trumpet low register is fairly (to me) not nice sounding compared to other (higher) pitches. Tuba/Euphonium/Baritone have more control and usability in low register compared to trumpet, even with similar valves
@@wiebemartens1030 that has been my general understanding, or least what has been told to me over the years, but I bet that if more players had trumpets with 4th valves there would be some out there that would make that low register sound great regardless of what they've been told they're capable of
Seems like trumpet players always want to play higher rather than lower.
If you practice low, you can sound good. But every trumpet player is at heart Maynard Ferguson and don't like to become low specialists.
The trumpet is too small for a compensating valve system which would make intonation very difficult in the low register, it’s the same reason why people rarely use the fourth valve to play extremely low notes on the piccolo trumpet
check out a trpt player and band leader from the seventies by the name of Don Ellis. He had a trumpet engineered by Getzen with 4 valves. It was in fact a 1/4 tone trumpet. He also had a very interesting band. Wrote the music for the movie French Connection too!
Wow this is amazing!
Holy cow, that is incredibly cool.
2:54 I absolutely love you for this
Awesome. I've got a tenor horn from the 1890s which is in high pitch, so I have wondered whether as part of a conversion to low pitch, a non-compensating 4th valve would be possible to add. However, this is way out of my skill set and I wouldn't know where to find parts to make this happen.
All you need to convert a HP horn to LP is longer slides. You typically don't have to alter the main body of the instrument at all. Then you even have the option of putting the original slides back in, if you ever _needed_ a HP horn.
I hadn’t watched your videos for half a year, and I am VERY surprised by your looking changed well…!
A+, Trent, very nice job.
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This is awesome
This is amazing
wow, you lost so much weight! good job!
It sounded pretty good, which surprised me a bit. Would the fourth valve effect the tuning much and with the extra tubing, is it still in the key of Bb?
Wow, that actually sounds good for something that was created by attacking two trumpets with blowtorches, hacksaws, and flat files. I'm not hearing any air leakage. Has a full, rich sound, and for a non-trumpet-player, your trumpet playing sounds pretty good. A lot better than I could do. (I tried playing a trumpet once; sounded like a cross between a cow farting and an eagle screeching.)
His fabrication skills have apparently increased as his weight has decreased.
I didn't think you would actually pull that off, I might need to try it sometime.
Great job!
An Eb soprano trumpet with a 4th valve to make it a Bb trumpet would be something worth trying.
Would it though?
It’s amazing how everything just slides off
Yea brass instruments are put together with solder since welding wouldn't really work for keeping the tubing intact
I did this with 2 Chinese trumpets. One was already a c trumpet so I needed to do a lot more work on 4th valve(and measuring). Worked pretty well but the horns were too cheap to make it any good so it was trashed in the end. I would say for future projects invest in a buff wheel and bench grinder and or just the buff compound itself and use strips of old t shirt to clean up burnt lacquer and unwanted solder and if you want to do it again I say get 2 of the same horn so you don’t have the one valve higher problem. I want to do it again and use 2 olds ambassador trumpets because 1. They’re cheap2. Very good quality for the price3. I can reuse a lot of parts if it doesn’t turn out well
Also if you want it to look good without a ton of extra work, you probably should start with silver-plated instruments. It's a pretty simple matter to brush-plate silver over your work marks afterward, which is a whole lot easier than a full re-lacquer. If you have your heart set on a gold tint, a bottle of gold plating solution (to put on top of the silver) is about $40.
That's awesome (I actually said it audibly in my empty den for no one). I really wasn't sure what you were going to come up with, but it wasn't that. Also I didn't expect ot to be in tune.
My highschool trumpet mate arron Smith trumpet Smith arron smith made 4 value eb and f trumpets many years ago .
Great, now I want one!! Actually, I've wanted one since I saw the Lotus Trumpet.
As a horn player myself I want a trumpet with a trigger it would help it get louder and the high register would be easier to play
Funny trumpet
It would be cool if u could some how get a stomvi four valves trumpet and compare it to yours because they kinda of look similar.
I like the use of the word "donor instrument" :D
I want one so bad now!!
Every time I was one of your video I find myself staring at the solo horn on the wall... I want one of those so bad but they're so hard to find
Cool stuff!
Yo that's pretty cool actually
Looks so weird but so cool
Very nice, but I think you should bend the bell up at a 90° angle so it points upwards like a euphonium (Dizzy Gillespie style).
Man you look amazing!
Yes
"Yeet this away somewhere" amazing
I’m kind of curious, have you ever considered doing a complete showcase of all of your brass instruments?
Great Video!
Nice! Would you do it with a flugelhorn?
Dude that’s sick
I'd be happy to trade my social circle for a 4-valve trumpet - what a bargain!
Hello, can you make a video about baroque trumpet, sackbuts, and slide trumpets?
How did you get the 4th value to work that’s amazing
Oh, hitting that low concert-Eb on a descending major arpeggio must feel nice! Always bugged me that the standard trumpets can't hit that note, given how prominent the key of concert-F is on a standard trumpet!
Lookin good sir 💪🏾👍🏽
I want to do that but I know that what will come out the other end will look and sound like an affront to the universe.
The excellent trumpeter Ibrahim Maalouf has a four-valve trumpet that he uses to play the quarter tones used in arabic scales.
HEY TRENT HOW ARE YOU THESE DAY'S ! THAT 4 VALVE TRUMPET YOU BUILT IS BEAUTIFUL , I WANT ONE ! A 4 VALVE FLUGABONE WOULD BE NICE ALSO AS WOULD A 4 VALVE FLUGELHORN WOULD BE NICE ALSO !
That's brilliant Trent. Question: For which notes are you using the fourth valve? I love your videos. Just watched some instruments are made. I have an 75year old left-handed rotary valve B flat trumpet the Swiss Army had made for my father who played in the Swiss Army Band, after he was injured in an industrial accident and lost some fingers of his right hand. One of the valves is no longer working correctly. Any idea how to maintain rotary valves?
It's amazing what one can accomplish without friends.
suggestion: make a french c tuba out of two euphoniums and some tubing
Very impressive! Is it still in Bb?
You play Euphonium as your main instrument? Me too! I’ve always thought you played Trombone as your main.
I was literally just thinking this the other day and what do I stumble upon other than a four valves trumpet
Actually quite fabulous. How did you figure out the tubing and the fact that the valve you added would pitch thing right? I think its just brilliant!
Trial and error :)
@@TrentHamilton It worked out quite well. ,you should patent it!
What surprised me is that it's the right length for a fourth valve
I know you’ve used carolbrass trumpets
With this in mind you should now do a comparison of their brand new 4 valve Bb trumpet
Here you say that your main instrument is the Euphonium. I always thought it was the trombone. But then, you can have more than one main instrument after all.
I have a four valve flugelhorn and it's 4th valve is off centered but the wrong way so I can barely play it with my pinky
It fucking broke like right after I posted this and it was only 140 usd dollars because it was the finest (/j)Indian made one so not a big loss
Hi Trent, did you use a ferrule to attach the (fourth valve) to the third and how much did you cut form the lead pipe for tuning sake?
Ah yes, the fabled Trentophone
Nice one!
Does increasing the tubing and/or valves give it lower pitches?
Speaking of kludges, how is the while-house organ coming?