@@NameIsNotAvailable k, but it said posted a minute ago when his was 6 hours ago, unless it took 6 or so hours to render, he commented on the upload page
I love the humour here, as always. So we have this spare length of copper pipe left over from fitting these domestic radiators. We could use that to replace the trNO WAIT, a better idea, let's replace the most complex, temperamental and fiddly bit instead, the slide. Whyever not? In other news, as a former tenor trombone player of negligible talent and rapidly advancing years, it is abundantly clear to me that I need one of these yesterday, earlier if possible.
@@a_literal_brick lol! The latest and greatest in Trombone technology: dependent F trigger! I saw some random valve trombone on ebay that had a dependent compensating valve on the 3rd valve slide, for some stupid reason, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone had actually made such an abomination at least once.
There was a very rare trombone that was sold only for a year that I know of in the 1960s. It was called the contrasoprano bass trombone. It had 3 triggers one being on the double slide The triggers were in line
Matthew Saxman oh I didn’t watch the whole video before I posted that, I just meant I had a French horn with a valve trigger, I think it from the 1940’s
@@ResidentialGondola I own a C F Schmidt French horn from 1913. The fourth valve is indeed a piston. My teacher had a very unusual version of this horn, in B flat/ B natural. The piston valve was double length - presumably to make it less susceptible to air leaks. That was in the 1960's.
That would have been a "stopping valve". Depending on horn design, it would lower a half tone for the F horn and three quarters of a tone for the B flat horn. Stopping the B flat horn raises the pitch three quarter tone so you can't can't compensate by using a different fingering. That's where the "stopping valve" is most useful.
I've played a pupil's trombone with a whole tone valve, which immitates the Bb to C step of a f attachment. AND the second trombonist of the Munich Philharmonic plays a Trombone with a piston f-attachment
That trombone remides me of the Superbone by Schagerl which is designed by James Morrison. It's a trombone that haves three valves AND a slide so you can choose if you rather play with the slide or with the valves. You should take a look at that intresting piece of brass!
That is a dream horn of mine; except that it's over $5000 US. It's the sort of thing that's very difficult to try, and if it turns out you don't like it, you're going to lose $2k selling it used.
That is very interesting. I love watching your videos on brass instruments because it gives me insight on many brass instruments. Thanks for the videos!
How TF can that work? The semitone size would change dependant on the slide position. Or is the range of sizes within an acceptable range? I know nothing of trombones...
Most of the trills played using this instrument's trill valve would be played in the mid to upper register in higher positions. Though even in second or third position the semitone would not be perfect, in the context of a fast trill it would be almost negligible. You do raise a good point though!
It works the same way that it works on any other brass instrument. In the 0% chance that you are trilling a low Eb to an E, no one is going to notice you being 11 cents sharp or whatever.
I just added an alto trombone and, while mine is just a straight Eb alto, I've noticed a bunch listed had rotary trill valves and the Conn with the Bb attachment was actually the odd one out despite likely being more useful, IMO. Also seen a demonstration of a superbone, which I've always heard of yet, for some reason, I've been thinking of the two playing options as an either/or scenario instead of being able to play the piston valves with your left as you work the slide with your right to blend the play styles together to get a fairly unique sound.
Hey Trent, I know this is a trombone video,but I took ur advice on the Chinese amoon trumpet. It's not bad at all actually. Was wondering what u did to get the valves to be somewhat better?
I am now contemplating the crescent-shaped blood blister I would inevitably receive from catching the slide on my pinkie finger in the way Trent described. Oooow.... : (
@@geraldnichols2722 honestly it'd be cool to turn a trombone like this into one with an F attachment by making a valve slide that could be swapped out depending on what you want for that performance
Most of the British tenor trombones of the era used the same size friction fit for slide and bell. I have old instruments by Boosey, Gisborn, and Hawkes that I can mix and match the slides from. I wonder if the second slide is a cut down G bass slide?
I recently came across (I come across a lot of things) a sort of trumpetty bugly horn thing from I dunno, a car or truck or suchlike .... I'm going to try making it have a receiver for a tpt mp, and will see how it goes. It may not go well! I visited my local Jewish temple and had a go on their shofars, and I can testify that you can't play bugle calls on a shofar. The partials come out wrong. I really thought it'd be about right to play "Mess Call" at the end of service to announce the bread and wine and snacks, but alas is not to be. I'm sure my trumpetty-bugly car horn thing will sound awful but sometimes that's kind of fun.
Please do not make to many joke about your size. Even if you feel like it is fine for you. With time too much self-mockery/deprecating leads to broken humans. Don't tell me how I know... You are a fantastic human, have some respect for your beautiful and perfectly sized self and head.
what if you got a second of those trill valves and added it inline with the other. i think its in high pitch how it is so it would probably put it down to modern pitch, and also you would have two trill valves, which would be impractical and not useful in any way
Boosey and Hawkes were a musical instrument firm in England so I’d be willing to bet that that trombone slide may be from the same shop but a different era.
Hello Trent I have a question. Mellophone or French horn which do you like better in general? One of my friends in the French horn section is very much a matching man and loves the mellophone while having a slight distaste for the French horn. I would like to know your opinion on the matter. Which do you personally prefer.
Mine Deare Brudther Trent, thou haste presenteth unto us a moste informatif video. It informed me most deeply and profoundly. Were I not without a job I wuld tender onto thee a patrion donation. I thanke You mine kiwi Brudther!
I just sold my first trombone, my first trumpet, and my favorite baritone. My wife said if I don’t play them, I don’t need them.....I may have hid another trombone and a cornet away in my office....weird she didn’t say anything about my four acoustic guitars. Haha
I have 11 trombones and a euphonium, all in plain sight. Only 5 of the trombones are used regularly. My partner bought four of them as presents for me!
being only 18 I still live at home (off to uni next year) but my brass band lets us borrow instruments, the oldest ones that you can borrow are from the 1890s. I have about 12 atm and my parents complain most days.
There is a modern company called Boosey & Hawkes. Sells sheet music these days, but it might imply that your slide is at least from the same general family.
I have a 1913 Besson Flugelhorn and a 1973 Besson Bd Trumpet in my collection of brass instruments. I’ve seen Boosey and Co cornets from the early 20th century too. A Google search would probably give the history of these companies. There are also French Besson instruments too, I think they had a connection with Selmar?
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Done. time to see what they have
How is this so old
@@TheStickCollector maybe it's cause he lives in New Zealand idk
Maybe he uploads the videos and comments but doesn't make it public until later
@@NameIsNotAvailable k, but it said posted a minute ago when his was 6 hours ago, unless it took 6 or so hours to render, he commented on the upload page
"free 2 months" need to give credit card details, ffs
Glad to see Trent getting a sponsorship.
“The other elephant in the room, other than myself”
You have great humor, love it
"The other elephant in the room besides myself"
Idk how Trent can say stuff like that without laughing😂😂
*B I G* boye
Peak drollness
"United States of AmericaLand"
THIS, is a mellophonium
euphonitone
Is mayonnaise.
I literally looked for this comment lol
Pretty sure Glenn Miller famously had one of these for performances. It’s on display at the University of Colorado Boulder
Glenn Miller is awsome
I had a trombone solo in a Glenn Miller tribute piece in high school - very nerve wracking but a great song
This was about a year ago, but feels like 20 so I can't remember which one it was. Thanks covid-19
trent’s playing abilities with just about every brass instrument astonishes me every time
Self deprecating humor is classic! Learning and humour are fast friends. Thanks.
Another great show, Mr Hamilton!! I sip coffee from the shows mug I bought off his web site... sip and learn! Everyone, keep donating to his show!!
I love the humour here, as always. So we have this spare length of copper pipe left over from fitting these domestic radiators. We could use that to replace the trNO WAIT, a better idea, let's replace the most complex, temperamental and fiddly bit instead, the slide. Whyever not? In other news, as a former tenor trombone player of negligible talent and rapidly advancing years, it is abundantly clear to me that I need one of these yesterday, earlier if possible.
Could you remove the trill valve slide and replace it with one that drops you a fourth?
A third slide to drop a fourth?
Better yet, add a second valve that will drop it a perfect 4th only when the first one is pressed
@@a_literal_brick lol! The latest and greatest in Trombone technology: dependent F trigger! I saw some random valve trombone on ebay that had a dependent compensating valve on the 3rd valve slide, for some stupid reason, so I wouldn't be surprised if someone had actually made such an abomination at least once.
6 valve trumpet all over again
Trent should review a Holton Superbone or another make of it.
Also glad to hear about the sponsorship. Nice advertisement, excellent sense of humor.
TRENT! Congratulations on the sponsorship, you've made it. Keep it up.
There was a very rare trombone that was sold only for a year that I know of in the 1960s.
It was called the contrasoprano bass trombone.
It had 3 triggers one being on the double slide
The triggers were in line
I’ve seen this trombone and I’m looking to buy one.
I had a French horn with a valve trigger like that
I believe that is for adjusting the intonation to compensate for a stopping mute, not trills and such.
Matthew Saxman oh I didn’t watch the whole video before I posted that, I just meant I had a French horn with a valve trigger, I think it from the 1940’s
Brick and Brick Films A Schmidt wrap horn, lucky duck. I’ve always wanted to get one, they’re very neat
@@ResidentialGondola I own a C F Schmidt French horn from 1913. The fourth valve is indeed a piston. My teacher had a very unusual version of this horn, in B flat/ B natural. The piston valve was double length - presumably to make it less susceptible to air leaks. That was in the 1960's.
That would have been a "stopping valve". Depending on horn design, it would lower a half tone for the F horn and three quarters of a tone for the B flat horn. Stopping the B flat horn raises the pitch three quarter tone so you can't can't compensate by using a different fingering. That's where the "stopping valve" is most useful.
I've played a pupil's trombone with a whole tone valve, which immitates the Bb to C step of a f attachment.
AND
the second trombonist of the Munich Philharmonic plays a Trombone with a piston f-attachment
What is the point of that? To reduce weight?
@@somebody9033 either that or playing all notes available although a Childs arm might be too short to reach f and e or c and b Natural, h in Germany
@@matthesdittmann6165 you can't play F and E with a C valve haha
@@somebody9033 my Bad. But at least c and b
@@matthesdittmann6165 yes I suppose you don't need F and E it's more important to go higher
That trombone remides me of the Superbone by Schagerl which is designed by James Morrison. It's a trombone that haves three valves AND a slide so you can choose if you rather play with the slide or with the valves. You should take a look at that intresting piece of brass!
That is a dream horn of mine; except that it's over $5000 US. It's the sort of thing that's very difficult to try, and if it turns out you don't like it, you're going to lose $2k selling it used.
If only I could play partials like Trent.
That is very interesting. I love watching your videos on brass instruments because it gives me insight on many brass instruments. Thanks for the videos!
ah, yes. a trombone for some neighbouring tones
We need more of those
I love how sarcastic his humor is
Congratulations on getting a sponsorship and great video!
How TF can that work? The semitone size would change dependant on the slide position. Or is the range of sizes within an acceptable range? I know nothing of trombones...
Most of the trills played using this instrument's trill valve would be played in the mid to upper register in higher positions. Though even in second or third position the semitone would not be perfect, in the context of a fast trill it would be almost negligible. You do raise a good point though!
It works the same way that it works on any other brass instrument. In the 0% chance that you are trilling a low Eb to an E, no one is going to notice you being 11 cents sharp or whatever.
You know you are getting some where in the RUclips ecosystem when you get sponsored by skill share
glad you're getting recognized by brands!
Congratulations on the sponsorship, Trent.
So it's a Superbone, except you're stuck always giving it the middle finger.
For some unfathomable reason I feel as if I have just crawled across the Unending Desert of Dry Humor and survived! Great video! Love it!
A couple of these actually popped up for sale in some of my Facebook groups
HE GOT A SPONSORSHIP! IM SO HAPPY FOR YOU!
Congrats on the sponsorship mate
Moving up Trent with that sponsor, keep it up!
I don't even play the trombone but I'm so interested in this video
congrats on the sponsorship
I just added an alto trombone and, while mine is just a straight Eb alto, I've noticed a bunch listed had rotary trill valves and the Conn with the Bb attachment was actually the odd one out despite likely being more useful, IMO. Also seen a demonstration of a superbone, which I've always heard of yet, for some reason, I've been thinking of the two playing options as an either/or scenario instead of being able to play the piston valves with your left as you work the slide with your right to blend the play styles together to get a fairly unique sound.
I actually saw a trombone with a F rap that has a valve on the internet
Hey Trent, I know this is a trombone video,but I took ur advice on the Chinese amoon trumpet. It's not bad at all actually. Was wondering what u did to get the valves to be somewhat better?
That trombone reminds me of the superbone
I am now contemplating the crescent-shaped blood blister I would inevitably receive from catching the slide on my pinkie finger in the way Trent described. Oooow.... : (
Congrats on the sponsorship! Maybe now you can justify making your videos a bit longer and help the channel grow!
This can be so useful to reach Bb on the 7th position
Bobby Broockmeyer plays jazz on a valve trombone
He is playing the carnival of Venus intro
Dang Trent looking fly today
"the other elephant in the room besides my self" HAHA Trent you're too harsh on yourself
That looks extremely useful. Wonder why such innovation would have fallen out of style
Trent explained it's because players today do it with their lips. Trombone playing has definitely evolved over time.
@@geraldnichols2722 honestly it'd be cool to turn a trombone like this into one with an F attachment by making a valve slide that could be swapped out depending on what you want for that performance
Most of the British tenor trombones of the era used the same size friction fit for slide and bell. I have old instruments by Boosey, Gisborn, and Hawkes that I can mix and match the slides from.
I wonder if the second slide is a cut down G bass slide?
yeah!! Get that sponsorship
Omg first sponsorship good job trentttttt
Who needs to practice trills when you have this 1903 beast! 🎶
I love the videos that you post, keep it up!
I recently came across (I come across a lot of things) a sort of trumpetty bugly horn thing from I dunno, a car or truck or suchlike .... I'm going to try making it have a receiver for a tpt mp, and will see how it goes. It may not go well! I visited my local Jewish temple and had a go on their shofars, and I can testify that you can't play bugle calls on a shofar. The partials come out wrong. I really thought it'd be about right to play "Mess Call" at the end of service to announce the bread and wine and snacks, but alas is not to be. I'm sure my trumpetty-bugly car horn thing will sound awful but sometimes that's kind of fun.
Please do not make to many joke about your size. Even if you feel like it is fine for you. With time too much self-mockery/deprecating leads to broken humans. Don't tell me how I know... You are a fantastic human, have some respect for your beautiful and perfectly sized self and head.
Thank you :)
Hi congratulations from ARGENTINA
Hi Trent, when does the results of the competition come out
That's perfect for a guy who just wants the occasional Eb
That is definitely I want that low Eb but not anything else
Now we gotta make a trombet, a trumpet with a slide.
Soprano trombone....
I've finished the intro and am working on the outro. I'm sure you'll love then trent 😊
A different angle of the dangle...
Sounds like gilere horn cadenza!
I think I'm happy enough just going down a position... 🤣🤣🤣
my boy getting sponsorships
My trumpet teacher had one
what if you got a second of those trill valves and added it inline with the other. i think its in high pitch how it is so it would probably put it down to modern pitch, and also you would have two trill valves, which would be impractical and not useful in any way
Yippy Trenty got a sponsor
Boosey and Hawkes were a musical instrument firm in England so I’d be willing to bet that that trombone slide may be from the same shop but a different era.
Boosey and Co. underwent a merger with Hawkes and Son in i think 1930
I wonder what it would have sounded like if he trilled and slid the slide at the same time.
Or did a lip trill at the same time... 🤣🤣🤣
Appreciate your slide locks! I have a trombone without one and it’s such a bother since my hands are small, I can’t hold the slide with my pinky well.
My Reynolds TO-01 bass doesn't have one either. The previous owner used a piece of velcro cable wrap that works well enough.
Lonny Young ooo I never thought of that!
I've seen one of these years ago. Yes, they are rare but there was some of them made around the turn of last century. I'm sure they were made by Conn.
Trent Hamilton reviews the superbone
That would be cool. Three valves and a slide....
I forgot how funny this videos were
I swear, everytime I hear your intro in your videos, I expect the first chord to be a C# Major chord
Amazing channel 💯👏
This somewhat reminds me of a superbone trombone
I’ve never seen this trombone before, but I have seen one with three valves like a trumpet.
So the legend of the useless piston trigger is true...
Hello Trent I have a question. Mellophone or French horn which do you like better in general? One of my friends in the French horn section is very much a matching man and loves the mellophone while having a slight distaste for the French horn. I would like to know your opinion on the matter. Which do you personally prefer.
Mellophone
Do Skill share offer a course in woodwind instrument appreciation?
No, their platform tries to maintain a certain quality level.
@@TrentHamilton good, no didgeridoo players here thanks.
Mine Deare Brudther Trent, thou haste presenteth unto us a moste informatif video. It informed me most deeply and profoundly. Were I not without a job I wuld tender onto thee a patrion donation. I thanke
You mine kiwi Brudther!
Judging by your spelling I would recommend you seek immediate medical attention. But thanks for your kind words :)
I just sold my first trombone, my first trumpet, and my favorite baritone. My wife said if I don’t play them, I don’t need them.....I may have hid another trombone and a cornet away in my office....weird she didn’t say anything about my four acoustic guitars. Haha
I have 11 trombones and a euphonium, all in plain sight. Only 5 of the trombones are used regularly. My partner bought four of them as presents for me!
being only 18 I still live at home (off to uni next year) but my brass band lets us borrow instruments, the oldest ones that you can borrow are from the 1890s. I have about 12 atm and my parents complain most days.
DiD YOu jUst AsSuME mY mUsICal ExpEriEncE!?
David Blaine is the fucking GOAT
plot twist, ive seen a trombone like this
Ik im a little late but what if they had a six valve bass trombone
1:25 he's looking at a script (bottom right)
Does it help to wear a Trilby while playing this horn?
Don't drop it...
if you press it twice does it go down a tone?
There is a modern company called Boosey & Hawkes. Sells sheet music these days, but it might imply that your slide is at least from the same general family.
Wow, who knew?
Boosey and Hawkes were manufacturers as well as music printers. I think they became Besson
I have a 1913 Besson Flugelhorn and a 1973 Besson Bd Trumpet in my collection of brass instruments. I’ve seen Boosey and Co cornets from the early 20th century too. A Google search would probably give the history of these companies. There are also French Besson instruments too, I think they had a connection with Selmar?
i want it.
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I saw your past videos and u sound like a guy version of a keren😂😂 love your videos
Boosey like the publisher???
Finally... A trombone that can trill effectively
4:39 what the heck
getting out to 7th position
Your thoughts on the Yamaha 350c. C/B flat rotor.
Trent Yoga video when!?