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Naruto is one of those series where I pick and choose what I want to believe and ignore the rest.
Fr fr
I pick to forget about boruto
Same...I ignore most of shippuden.
including canon ☺️
Same
Now I understand why wood release is so important it’s based off the world tree not just plants
Not as far as we know? Hashirama just kinda had the wood style kekkei genkai, and he's the first person to have it. I don't think anyone really knew about the god tree until madara. The others who have wood release either got of from hashiramas cells, just had it, or made a weaker version using yin-yang release
@@jessewoodall7253his cells are crazy rare cuz his cells are the same as zetsu who are people from past infinite tsukuomi before hashrama born maybe that why he got wood style
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I don't understand you are saying.
@@LobotomySimulatorZetsu were made by combining the husks of people consumed by the God Tree with Hashirama’s cells, that’s why they have all of his abilities
I don’t necessarily think the Hiruzen statement is a retcon. There’s so much lore and history we’re missing regarding previous wars, and stuff that wasn’t fully fleshed out. This is how you can square that circle so Hiruzen can possibly still be the strongest Hokage ever. We do that by saying prime Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage however he declined in his old age which is true. It’s stated that if Hiruzen was ten years younger when he fought Orochimaru he could’ve won easily but in his old age he lost. It’s not hard to realize there are some minor plot holes in Naruto however some of them with a little critical thinking you can square these circled so to speak.
Dude izanami had literal patch notes.
Narutos best ability was an XP glitch
@@aidanmcmurtrie1424 Naruto’s best ability had to not be used properly or the manga would be boring. The only time Naruto used Kage Bunshin correctly was when he fought Zabuza to free Kakashi.
@@robertivey7644 Not by a long shot. What about when he disguised all of his clones as rubble and tricked Pain?
@@andrewodinson3726 Okay Naruto can use Kage Bunshin to chain combo attacks like a guy playing a video game. Each attack sets up the next in the chain no matter what the opponent does and the Original does not even have to be anywhere near the fight. Mass dog piles are weaksauce compared to infinite combo chains.
@@robertivey7644 I don't see the connection between this and your first comment.
"We called Sarutobi Hiruzen the strongest Hokage of all time, sarcastically." - Iruka-sensei, probably
I don’t necessarily think the Hiruzen statement is a retcon. There’s so much lore and history we’re missing regarding previous wars, and stuff that wasn’t fully fleshed out. This is how you can square that circle so Hiruzen can possibly still be the strongest Hokage ever. We do that by saying prime Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage however he declined in his old age which is true. It’s stated that if Hiruzen was ten years younger when he fought Orochimaru he could’ve won easily but in his old age he lost. It’s not hard to realize there are some minor plot holes in Naruto however some of them with a little critical thinking you can square these circled so to speak.
@crimsonredkingdom2656 and orochimaru still summoned the hokage to fight against old hirzuen and hiruzen didn't fold immediately. Although to be fair the Reincarnation wasnt perfect yet. But the fact that orochimaru did that at all, means that he was still weary of his power.
Plus, remember Tobirama chose to fight the gold and silver Brothers alone in place of hiruzen to be a distraction in order to end up winning the war. Before he did that, he named hirzuen hokage. If Tobirama chose to do that, then it means that Hirzuen was either already surpassed Tobirama or was going to surpass him very soon, so he was comfortable leaving the village in his hands. Plus I believe hirzuen mastered all the jutsu that tobirama created. If so, then it makes sense that he would be OP.
@@crimsonredkingdom2656 The part about Hiruzen "winning easily" against Orochimaru if he had been 10 years younger is a baseless yet common misrepresentation. Orochimaru simply thought, "If you had been even just 10 years younger, you might have been able to kill me," after both he and Hiruzen realized how much of a struggle the soul extraction was. In that context, the thought refers to the efficacy of Hiruzen's Reaper Death Seal rather than an overall appraisal of his battle performance. Nothing about this indicates how well a younger Hiruzen would have fared against Orochimaru.
What about the flashback, which implied that Orochimaru lived only because Hiruzen let him go? The Orochimaru of that time isn't the same as the Orochimaru who attacked Konoha. The latter (with more knowledge, techniques, experience, and body mods) is likely stronger.
@@tommymoodie2157 The fact that Orochimaru used Edo Tensei, while practically doing nothing himself except standing back and watching, had nothing to do with his chances against Hiruzen and had everything to do with the pleasure of psychologically torturing and mocking his former teacher.
Hiruzen himself stated that he was no match for Orochimaru even before they fought--i.e. before he learned Orochimaru had Edo Tensei.
Had Orochimaru in fact been "weary" of Hiruzen, then he wouldn't have taken it so easy and gloated and laughed. He would have fought with the intent to kill from the beginning. The truth is that he played around too much and the Reaper Death Seal took him by surprise.
@@crimsonredkingdom2656 Madara and Hashirama were flying around in giant wood and chakra golems cutting mountains in half.
Hiruzen could summon a talking stick and use default jutsu of every element.
Sarutobi is a victim of shonen powercreep, just like every other character in the series except Madara/Naruto/Sasuke.
And the worst offender of this is Nagato's eyes being not his. Like come on, Madara just happened to slap two eyeballs onto a newborn child without his parents (Who were medical professionals) noticing.
"Ah why yes Fuso, our baby with purple eyeballs slightly bulging out is perfectly healthy."
Yet the fandom will throw answers like 'oh Zetsu did it' 'Oh Madara used genjutsu' 'Oh our eyes are the same size through out our entire life.'
The kisjimoto apologists are the worst lmaoo
since his mom was uzumaki maybe she thought he inherited it from his ancestors
How can mirrors be real if our eyes are not real?
@harshshinde176 We'll never know if the Uzumakis actually knew about the Rinnegan, but I kinda doubt the majority, including Nagato's Mother, knew anything about the Rinnegan. Otherwise, I think they wouldn't have stayed in a warzone and rather seek refuge somewhere safe.
@@MikaeruDaiTenshi why wouldn't uzumakis such a based clan not know about Rinnegan??? Even Orochimaru and Jiraiya knew about it
@@harshshinde176 You're naming 2 Characters that specifically did a lot of research in many ways.
As for Jiraiya, he even talked a lot with the Toads, and if I remember correctly, the eldest even knew Hagoromo personally.
So it's not that far fetched, that Jiraiya would learn something about the Rinnegan.
Orichimaru tried to learn every Ninjutsu, Dojutsu inclusive. So he too could have learned about it somehow.
I'm not noone within the Uzumaki knew about it, but I doubt it was common knowledge.
One apparent retcon that I find annoying is how the Rinne Rebirth was changed to always killing the user afterward, when it was originally suggested that Nagato only would have died that first time we saw it because his chakra was too low before using it (Konan is shown complaining about it). It was already established in Part 1 that if you exhaust all of your remaining chakra to force a jutsu (when you don't have enough to do it normally), you would die.
Wait, what's wrong with that?
@@faith4657 At the very least, I think the change wasn't necessary. But also, because they're two different conditions that carry different implications for that technique in-universe, as well as the characters using them. When the War Arc asserted the changed condition of the technique always killing its user, that had different implications for how Obito and Madara acted than how they otherwise might have acted if the death condition would have only occurred to Obito if he was forced to use it while draining his chakra reserve to zero. If Madara forced Obito to use Rinne Rebirth and it wouldn't have killed him when his chakra wasn't low enough, then Black Zetsu probably wouldn't have been needed to preserve Obito's life, and if Obito were to die fighting against Kaguya, then it probably would have been under different starting circumstances than "he was going to die eventually anyway after using Rinne Rebirth."
@kmgyening So what you think it the right answer. Cause obito was in a more so favorable position than Nagato to, at the very least, survive the effects with still having a bit of six paths charka in him and black zetsu.
@@faith4657 Sorry, I guess I don't really understand what you're asking. I don't know what you mean when say, "the right answer."
People forget that characters aren't all knowing and can infact be wrong about things
Danzo 100% did not exist before shipuden
I mean he may have been in the back of their mind as like "Sarutobi knew these guys" but then decided 1 should be evil
@@thegamebusters5413the problem is his motivation of wanting to replace him as hokage really falls apart when there’s an arc need to find a replacement bc they’re first choice said no
My theory is that fans loved itachi too much so the story got tweaked to make him a good guy in shippuden
Danzo's entire existence is just a massive list of retcons.
Danzo's entire motivation was to make sure Konoha was the strongest and most powerful village, but then does stuff like manipulate the Uchiha into a coup so he can justify killing them. The Uchiha, at this time, are inarguably the single most powerful clan in the world and the greatest ace of the Leaf village.
Danzo is also not politically powerful enough or strong enough to contend for the position of Hokage. Even though he's replaced like half his body with Hashirama cells, has Wood style mastered, embedded multiple Sharingan in his body and mastered them, and has an instantaneous "fuck you I win" mind control sharingan. With Hashirama cells, he could have had an army of Sharingan Root Anbu and didn't, for some reason.
Everything about Danzo was designed to make Itachi "not a bad guy" but rhe justification for Danzo's motivations is rendered null and void because literally all of his actions harm the leaf.
@@TelsMavistonDanzo is not really much of a character as he is a scapegoat to retroactively pin everything that is wrong with the leaf on him, which is why he doesn’t make much sense. He could have been a great villain had he been utilized more. I think he’s one of the many missed opportunities in Naruto.
Naruto only having half of kurama's Chakra all that time felt weird
Yeah that was definitely BS
Why? Genuinely asking.
@@atiqahdiyana5665the Kurama inside was NEVER hinted at being weakened or missing HALF OF HIS ENTIRE SELF AND POWER. so when it was revealed ...it was odd. clearly the author did not have that in mind beforehand( like many other plot points)
@@ScarletVecna yeah it did come out of nowhere a bit.
The narrative of Naruto is a complete mess. Poor storytelling and power building.
Kinda sad how we have never seen Prime Hiruzen. He even knew the Yamanaka, Nara and Akimichi Jutsus!
*He frickin knew how to use the 8 gates*
I don’t necessarily think the Hiruzen statement is a retcon. There’s so much lore and history we’re missing regarding previous wars, and stuff that wasn’t fully fleshed out. This is how you can square that circle so Hiruzen can possibly still be the strongest Hokage ever. We do that by saying prime Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage however he declined in his old age which is true. It’s stated that if Hiruzen was ten years younger when he fought Orochimaru he could’ve won easily but in his old age he lost. It’s not hard to realize there are some minor plot holes in Naruto however some of them with a little critical thinking you can square these circled so to speak.
@@crimsonredkingdom2656stop copy paste-ing your essay comment, your statement doesn't even make sense against this comment, all you're doing is make yourself look like a bot
@@badvidass My comment isn’t an essay. If you can’t read a paragraph without complaining your teachers failed you. Moving on my comment was very clear. Hiruzen being the strongest Hokage may or may not be true. It’s unknown how strong Hiruzen was in his prime but we know in his old age he was weaker. It’s stated during the Chunin Exams Arc when Orochimaru attacked Hiruzen was weakened. He’d gotten weaker in his old age which is apart of why Orochimaru sought immortality, and on top of that it’s stated had Hiruzen been ten years younger he’d have defeated Orochimaru.
@@crimsonredkingdom2656 idgaf about your opinion bro, just stop copy paste it that shit is spamming
@@badvidass The same way you don’t care about my opinion I don’t care about yours or what you had to say. You started this. I was trying to offer an alternative interpretation instead of this cut and dry perspective NCHammer has because he’s wrong regarding power-scaling most of the time.
Every Hokage introduced one by one , was referred to as The strongest
Well we know the hokage is usually the strongest ninja in their village, wouldn't say kakashi or shikamaru were as strong as the others but y'know.
And tsunade
"Naruto fans are the kings of copium" is the strongest, single truest statement about this fandom that I've ever heard. Something doesn't make sense and has no canon answer? MAKE IT UP AND RUN WITH IT! It really makes it tough to have conversations about the series without headcanon just running wild.
And what do you expect them to say, what do you want knowing the truth? The things said are theories that help or bring somewhat of a reasonable answer.
@@faith4657 It is not your job as a fan to create theories and act like they are the answer. If something has no canon answer, then you say there is no answer and give your best guess as to what an answer COULD be if you tried to draw some lines. But if I don't buy it, then leave it be.
This is not what Naruto fans do, however, as the vast majority just cling onto theories and ideas and accept them as canon when they have NO sourced backing whatsoever and will fight you tooth and nail on it as if you're crazy for not going along with it.
Naruto fans have long gotten the reputation of being a stubborn and overly defensive fanbase PRECISELY because of the unwillingness to accept that Naruto isn't a perfect story, as if that somehow detracts from the value of it. Don't try to make an excuse for it, it's bad behavior. If someone doesn't like your theory or doesn't even want it, then guess what? Your theory isn't canon, it is a educated guess at best, so it doesn't matter anyway!
@SalvadorDolbyvsZAWARUDO But what I'm saying is why do you care so much, you have to remember the only reason they do this is cause it's to please the same people that think.forgetting or not having answers makes the series bad or detracts from the story as a whole. It's no wonder people think Naruto fans are annoying cause they have taken BS from a majority of people for no reason when loving their own show and have to defend all the time. You can't blame people for trying to find some form of justification, though not canon to the story cause it's the only thing that might make sense. Yes, some of the theories would be hard to believe, but again, it's just a theory we can call them out on it, but that shouldn't decrease the show overall. Like the beef between OP and Naruto fans is a perfect example of this notion.
@@faith4657 "The beef between OP and Naruto fans"
So firstly you can't be talking about NC, because he is a Naruto fan. Secondly, you can't be talking about me because I am a Naruto fan.
Thirdly,
"Why do you care so much"? It's literally in the first post. They argue ad nauseam something that isn't even true and won't back down when confronted with the idea their theory is not correct or canon. That is annoying, bad behavior. If I'm trying to talk to you, don't give me your theory if I don't want your theory. That's cut and dry. Shut up and move on. If your theory isn't canon, and I tell you it's not canon and thus I don't accept it, that's also the point where you should stop talking about it. Again, Naruto fans often do not stop when they should. They keep pushing and fighting and goodness have mercy if you dare say something is a PLOT HOLE.
You're making an awful lot of excuses for this behavior so I have to assume you probably do it too. Hell you're even romanticizing the issue to an extent. The series is not a child, it doesn't need people to "Defend" it. It's an imperfect work written by an imperfect human with imperfections that can and should be pointed out if you want to have a deeper discussion about it.
Because more often than not, you're going to need to. That doesn't stop people from enjoying it, doesn't make it less enjoyable, but it's not something worth the level of idolatry so many fans put it on.
The fans, in no way, are the victims of some big misunderstanding. They are the perpetrators of being overly defensive and annoying WHENEVER a critique comes up and rushing to use non-canon information to back themselves up while trying to argue like you're the crazy one. And you're being a pretty good example of that right now, actually.
@@SalvadorDolbyvsZAWARUDO You're hilarious.
Kakashi’s age in relation to his squad and others in his class is a retcon
Explain please
@@potatopie1696 Fasho.. Originally Kakashi is 4 years younger than the other jonin in konoha and also the youngest of the people in his class or close to it like Asuma Obito Rin Gai Genma etc.. we know this because he progressed through the academy quicker than the rest of them so it doesn’t make sense for him to the same age as them. Kakashi was originally 9 years old when he became a Jonin while Obito and Rin were 13 but through translations and continuity issues this was changed at some point. Kakashi later on after the death of Obito (years later when Minato became Hokage) joined the anbu at the age of 13 and became anbu captain at 14. A lot of these issues happened do to the timeline of the events prior to Naruto being born being all over the place.
@@jason15212u not really explaining how its a retcon ur just explaining his age
@@boblipsmackerHe should have veen younger than his peers since he graduated from the academy early but he is shown to be the same age as them.
@@boblipsmacker In part one, Kakashi tells Iruka he graduated the academy at 5 and went on to be promoted to Chunin at 6, yet miles down the road, Obito's flashback shows him being promoted to Chunin at 12...
Naruto is amazing if you don't think too much on what's going on or what's being said.
Why would I wanna show about ninjas if I can’t enjoy what’s being said and what’s going on
@@Eye-Am-exclipse It's called sarcasm XD
Lol this is funny
It’s just braindead “fans” who like to nit pick small details and pretend it affects the entirety of the anime. Prime hiruzen was stated to master every jutsu in the leaf as well as predict jutsu without a sharingan. Also he mastered all chakra natures. It’s not crazy to think why he would be considered the strongest. Nchammer fans has as much media literacy as him💀
Once you do, you realize how bad it is
Probably the main reason why Hashirama cells are so OP. There was no mention of them at first
Wonder how they got the cells? I mean the groundwork was certainly set before hand, they emphasized that dead ninja bodies need to be destroyed because information and stuff can be gleaned from dead ninja bodies. Eyes can be taken and used so why not other cells and organs? and hashirama was clearly a special ninja because he used wood style, or should I say tree-making style lol.
I would really like to see you make a full video about Naruto retcons
He already did
@@alexandervazquez7770 There has been more since that video... it needs to be updated.
I don’t necessarily think the Hiruzen statement is a retcon. There’s so much lore and history we’re missing regarding previous wars, and stuff that wasn’t fully fleshed out. This is how you can square that circle so Hiruzen can possibly still be the strongest Hokage ever. We do that by saying prime Hiruzen is the strongest Hokage however he declined in his old age which is true. It’s stated that if Hiruzen was ten years younger when he fought Orochimaru he could’ve won easily but in his old age he lost. It’s not hard to realize there are some minor plot holes in Naruto however some of them with a little critical thinking you can square these circled so to speak.
@@alexandervazquez7770 what's the title of that vid
@@elliotKanjovu worst Naruto plot holes
Or when literally every lore piece says that Hashirama only knew Tsunade as a child yet somehow comments about her strength when seeing Sakura punch one of the creatures in the war. "Such powerful strength. Just like Tsuna." What tf do you mean, Hashirama? Was 5-year-old Tsunade breaking boulders or some shit???
Mannn at this point, we'll _never_ know. 😭 All we have is that at some point Hashirama died b4 Tsunade herself turned 16 and Nawaki died.
Also, there's no way Sakura surpassed Tsunade in martial prowess, that Sakura need to amass Chakra in her fist so as to achieve superhuman strength whilst Tsunade it seems really is just *_that_* naturally strong, yeah, no. Her being the first within Squad 7 to get the hang of Chakra control and so land the tree exercise also isn't the grandiose feat that her fans laud it to be, that that only happened precisely bcuz her reserves are abysmally small... compared to Naruto and Sasuke's anyway.
@@Boss_Isaac At this point, everything regarding Hashirama is an inigma. How did he die? How old was he? Why is he special and no one else in his family is? Why does his cells do so much? 😭
I'm sure she had Incredible strength especially for her age being that Hashirama was their to mentor
My headcanon is that Hashirma never died when people thought he did. He was just sick of it all, faked his death and went into hiding. Then died like 10 to 20 years later by falling down some stairs
@@GameBreaker1055 Honestly true. I think if they revealed Hashirama survived the war but mysteriously vanished when a certain monk with dimension powers showed up and killed his ass, I'd be upset but honestly it's a better explanation than, "brother just died lol"
There was a whole movie retconning Naruto's whole relationship with his wife
Theres' tons more retcons like Sasuke at the final valley "this is where Madara Uchiha and the first hokage fought"... 2 years later the 9 tails tells Sasuke he's like Madara Uchiha and sasuke's response? "I have no clue who that is, never heard of them" or like Naruto suddenly only had half of Kurama... Or when did Hiruzen kick Orochimaru out of the village? etc etc
I guess Sasuke just lied for absolutely no reason ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sasuke never said that. Go watch pepa pig
I head canon that blatant plot hole away by saying that Sasuke was just trying to fuck with the 9 tails.
I swear you Naruto fans cry retcon when the reality is YOU JUST FORGOT the story. Admit that instead of making things up, Sasuke never said anything about the history of the final valley.
Remember when the renigan wasnt just a ben 10 ultimate of the sharangan? Remember when the sharangan was actally kinda balanced?
Remember when the beakugan was actually supposed to be on the same level as the rennigan and sharangan?
Remember when kurama was a demon spirt?
I find it interesting that you spelled all of these words wrong but I also agree with all your points. Although these things aren’t insane. Kaguya had the byakugan and rinnesharingan, then Hagoromo got the rinnegan and Hamura got byakugan. Sharingan and rinnegan began as the same thing then split off, so it makes sense that they are related. Byakugan was its own thing from the beginning, and only got passed on through the moon shinobi (which didn’t exactly make a strong appearance in the show), so I’d say it makes sense that its users aren’t as prominent as say the Uchiha, who have been at war for centuries honing their skills
@@silksongreactionswell personally i think everything after the time skip really butchers alot of what was established in the first third of the show.
no where is this more apparent to me then with itachi who is basically patiant zero of this. in part 1 hes the insiting incident behind jariya teaching naruto and gave sasuke the drive for getting stronger. in sheppuden and beyond hes just a wish version of snape from harry potter...
I think the "Demon Spirit" part is just a different/wrong depiction by the people (in the world of Naruto) who don't know a single thing about Jinchuuriki.
I mean, just think how everybody hates Naruto in the beginning, believing he was the cause of the destruction. I think Hiruzen failed Minato by not educating the village about the actual incident.
Kurama is not demon anymore is the biggest cope ever exist!
Itachi NOT being a Villain is a huge ass retcon fite me. Itachi makes way more sense as a Villain than a Martyr
Yeah he was definitely supposed to be a villain. The dude made his little brother re-watch his family being killed over and over again for 72 hours.
Or in the very beginning of making his character from scratch was the very basic idea of a good guy character but the writer is like yeah lets add a ton of villainous evil stuff to the character. He didn't kill his brother, he made sasuke want to try desperately to be strong, he knocked on the door! Trauma awakens sharingans right? The trauma really could have completely annihilated Sasuke's mind and willpower instead of making him stronger in the long run though, itachi would know that Sasuke could have died or went crazy as a result of the pain he inflicted- right?
@@siratom6083 Exactly! Itachi has done so much (unneccessary) traumatic shit and damage to Sasuke, beyond the Uchiha Massacre! He's such a menace (derogatory) and now you're trying to sell him as an Unsung Hero, f*ck off.
I don’t think that’s a retcon. Just that we just didn’t know the whole story
He was. Kishi said that him being turned into an anti-hero was an editor thing. ORIGINALLY, Itachi wanted to remove Sasuke's eyes because his were going blind but he needed him to unlock his true power or something through "hate" which is why Itachi tells Sasuke to "give into his hate" so once he unlocks them he can take them away.
It's the amount of storyline plot holes/unanswered questions in the series for me. Like...
- When & how did Hashirama die?
- What was Hiruzen like in his prime for him to ALSO be known as God of Shinobi?
- What all happened during the 1st & 2nd Great Shinobi wars?
- Where was Fugaku during the 9 Tails Attack on the village?
We don't talk about Kaguya's origins.
Or Kimmimaro being otsusuki
Kimmimaro is Kaguya Clan not Otsutsuki. Just like Toneri is Otsutsuki Clan not Otsutsuki. I suspect they are both descendants of Hamura, but who knows maybe Kaguya had another kid.
@@damienkun8786he’s not an otsutsuki
@@marvincooper9926the difference is that kimmimaro is from the kaguya clan. It has nothing to do with kaguya. It’s just the name of the clan
@@Topg924 except the Shikkotsumyaku is stated to be her jutsu... And the Kaguya clan just happens to have it. All I'm saying is she was firing her bones around, her genetic material would have been all over the place.
Naruto was one of the first mangas I’ve read , I remember picking it up back in like 05 or 06. And I sure as hell remember reading in full color that Hiruzen was called « god of shinobi » and that the 4th was considered the strongest. Them retcons gave these two monikers to Hashirama afterwards
Also the One Tailed was referred to as a Revengeful Spirit (Yokai) when he was introduced
Yes, but at least there you can go "Calling those big tailed beast evil spirits is not exactly missing the mark" and "Well, of course he's revengful! He got locked up in someone's body... AGAIN!"
Retcon, yes, but one that does not really mess with a lot of things
I wouldn't necessarily call it a retcon though, rather than a different depiction by the people who don't know alot about the Jinchuuriki.
@@MikaeruDaiTenshi
Except it was confirmed it being a retcoon
This is why He is the only one without the Red Chakra Mode
As the other Tailed Beasts appeared only after the retcoon
Don't get me started on the bijuu lore and how powerscaling jumped from Jinchuuriki begin peerless WMD's to being matched or overwhelmed by OP normal ninjas.
Part 1 would be way different if Danzo existed.
Tbh the whole thing about danzo is he's got the root organization which is underground and wasn't very powerful at the time. Danzo probably didn't have the same leverage back then to take the Hokage position whereas 2 sannin were still around. Danzo's addition was done in a way where his background let's him sit back during the events of part 1.
Something I was thinking about. Neji is Hinata brother. I just looked it up. Kids of twin siblings are closer genetically to half siblings than cousins. So she actually wasn’t inaccurate calling him brother.
It is inaccurate because that's not what the word brother means. It's a description of common parentage, not common genetic makeup.
That's not really a retcon rather than a honorifix, just as most younger folks call older folks gramps, or granpa, even if they are not related.
I think it suffers heavily from him being introduced when “kage level combat” was him making a mud slide and growing a few trees, and the ones after can summon titans and instant transmission
That one picture has fucked up every single fool who has taken up the Herculean task of devising a timeline for Naruto.
It’s one of the reasons I like Naruto but love shorter anime and manga stories. The fights are awesome in Naruto with some of the most iconic in anime, but shorter stories have less of a chance in running into plot holes. They still have them, but it’s grounds for a much more concise story. Like I said, I like the story and the fights are dope, I just love shorter ones more.
Tbf One Piece has 1100+ chapters and most plot holes are far and few between
Yeah, I remember when they said the Byakugan was like the crown jewel of the hidden leaf village back when all it did was have x-ray vision. Yeah, how much that change
To be fair, that's kind of a matter of perspective.
They only had 1 Uchiha and 1,5 pairs of Sharingans left, so ofc the Byakugan is the "crown jewel" of Konoha.
Hell, not even the Uchihas knew about the Mangakyo Sharingan or Rinnegan, before they got wiped out.
I enjoy that in spite of how openly protective of Naruto Nick is he'll still stop to admit when Kishimoto dun goofed.
I mean every long running manga has retcons but of course we as fans don’t want to admit it
@@GhostTheOGone piece doesn’t have retcon but if it has, then literally small retcons.
@@Hugabugahugabuga gear 5 dude
@@GhostTheOG nah sky pia teased sun good Nika and the panel where luffy danced around the fire. The connection of the fishman with the sun tattoo and how Luffy has gears was Literrally a hint something is off with his devil fruit. How could he make re hawk and no other devil fruit has heard like luffy and the only others are zoan type devil fruits
Remember when Gara was simply possessed by an evil priest and not a tailed beast?
Its pretty interesting looking back at how disconnected shippuden feels with the original show, its almost like the original was only made to introduce all the main characters and tease the akatsuki as this mystery villain with no motives aside from kidnapping naruto
Before you needed to kill your best friend for the Sharingan. But now you need a rage amp.
Seems like it's grief or extremely strong emotions in general that awaken it, emotions about other people are strong yea
I thought he was the strongest in his prime, since everyone and their grandmother reminds him that he got weaker with age.
Exactly
This is pretty much what I thought. The only thing I have to add is that the 1st hokage was stronger but like kabuto said people doubted his strength.
Yes. I’ve been replying to so many comments telling them this Hiruzen being the strongest isn’t necessarily a retcon because he’s the only other person besides Hashirama with the title God of Shinobi. Not only that when Orochimaru attacked during the Chunin Exams it was stated had Hiruzen been ten years younger he would’ve won. Which confirms he was weaker as an old man. This is further corroborated by him being brought back as an Edo and arguably preforming feats better than both Tobirama, and Minato.
So you think his prime is better that Hashiramas? Come on.
@@kauswekazilimani3736 That’s not what I said that’s what the databooks, and characters in universe say. Narrative/Author Statements > Fan Interpretations. Basically regardless of how we as fans feel or interpret the series if the author says something it must be true unless it’s contradicted by feats or characters in the series. There isn’t anything that contradicts Prome Hiruzen surpassing Hashirama or Tobirama so it could/is plausible.
Shukaku being the soul of a priest and then he was changed to being the one tailed beast
Fans have to realize that if a story goes on for long enough that's definitely going to be some retcons. I can't think of any long-running story that doesn't have any major or minor retcons to it. Sometimes the author themselves forget what they even said previously.
except one piece
@@hamide2256there’s many retcons in one piece no anime is perfect I’ll give one example out of many - Katakuri's Devil Fruit being changed from Logia to Paramecia while WCI was going on
@@kingcosmuder8078To be fair, the Mochi Mochi Fruit was because Oda remembered that Mochi isn’t a naturally occurring element, so the fruit couldn’t be a Logia. So that was more of an understandable correction rather than just a narrative change.
@@kingcosmuder8078I don’t think anyone ever actually says it’s a logia, it just looks like one because it has the exact same powers
@@hamide2256ODA is a master, but there are definitely ret cons in OP.
My favorite head canon interpretation is not that the third was the strongest of all time himself, but that the leaf under him was the strongest it had ever been.
With the Uchiha clan, the nine tails, kakashi, jiraya, the list goes on.
The strongest American president is not the one with the biggest bench press, but the one commanding the strongest nation.
That's actually insanely good. First of all, it's valid. Prime hiruzen has no feats, just statements. Maybe the only argument against that is that the leaf was probably relative or stronger when Minato was hokage.
Do we really say "the strongest president" instead of "the best president" when we want to convey that idea? Serious question: what do they call Hiruzen in the manga? The best hokage, the strongest hokage, the smartest, the wisest, etc etc?
@@reporterid not saying that we do say the strongest president.
But if we did, your mind wouldn't immediately turn to their feats of strength.
@@Real_extra_1 Maybe I wouldn't because I understand the context and a president being strong has probably no connection to his physique. But if you said that a warrior or a ninja is the strongest warrior/ninja, you're conveying the idea that it's about physical strenght or general skill.
That's a good thought made me think of Theodore Roosevelt. He was the president who popularized the "big stuck" policy. Which now reminds me of the 3rd hokage, who carries a big stick.
Fugaku being almost as strong as Minato is another retcon
Do you mean that he wasn’t originally as strong as Minato if so I agree?
The third great ninja war was the 15 years apart from the last one I still can't get over that one
I could be wrong, but this short is telling me that the Third is like the last Queen of England.
Well they did both live a surprisingly long time, and they were both in passed down leadership positions.
I mean kishimoto retcon'd the gun statement almost immediatley when it came to "a gun would be the deadliest thing in the naruto verse"
Sarutobi knowing every jutsu in the leaf (excluding flying raijin) shows how hard he truly rode for the senju
Shadow Clone Jutsu is an XP exploit
I honestly would love to see the third Hokage use a lot of the villages hidden Justus like those from the Nara and Akimichi clans
On of the biggest retcons, would be that the sharingan went from being a degrade of the byakugan, to being something entirely different that kishimoto clearly didnt plan for in the beginning.
I just acknowledge the retcon and let it go. It went from a project he loved to "I'm gonna make this bread" and he even added the kaguya ending to have a better setup for another manga that he hoped to just let others make. But then they sucked at it so now I'm pretty sure he's working on the twin blue vortex. It feels very kishi moto and is A LOT more fun. I'm actually excited for it monthly
Naruto has some of the most retcons in anime.
It’s Highly likely that Sarutobi became there teacher at 10 not 6 which is the time Sannin graduated. Hiruzen could’ve been closer to Kakashis age when he became Hokage. They never gave tsunade age when Hashirama last seen her. I also believe Hashirama stepped down earlier than we think, finally Nawaki and Minato was in the same war…
Lore wise this makes the world of Naruto feel more realistic. That’s how things work in reality, there are many conflicting information on a certain person or events. It is rare to actually 100% agree on something, even if we agree on certain things happening the fine details are a different story. In a world, as war torn as Naruto “History is written by the victors and the defeated are mere footnote.”
Problem with this though is that this works only, and only if, we get a constant stream of perspectives from other groups that were involved in these engagements and incidents. And Naruto up until the kage summit had very few perspectives from groups outside of Konoha. And even from within Konoha we learn next to nothing about some aspects of the village.
We have three separate world wars that happened all before Naruto’s birth and know next to nothing about anything that happened in any of them.
He was the strongest until somebody stronger came along 😂
He was called the god of shinobies
I guess a god of ninjas would know every learnable jutsu, gods are all knowing.
I figured we called him the "strongest" because he was measured by how many jutsu he knew not because of his literal strength 🤷
Shikamaru being close to Naruto at very young ages is one too. If you rewatch the early stages of the chunin exams.
I feel like a video explaining and listing all of the retcons in Naruto would be a great video. Would likely get a lot of shit, though.
I basically retcon in my head everything that came from the Ootsusuki.
before Kaguya took her humanoid form, it was all naratively fine.
The Sage of 6 paths mode, sasuke's rinnegan, even the reincarnation BS. It was too much
I have a question unrelated to this topic. Why are Might Guy's and Rock Lee's headbands red/orange instead of black/blue.
I love how you're always unbiased
To be fair, we never saw Hirizen at his most powerful. He was an old man or a young pup when we see him. But even as an old man, he single handedly pushed Kurama out of the village.
Add to that strength because we're guessing at his prime. Plus knowing EVERY jutsu. And a tactical mind. I could see him being at the 1st and 2nd levels. Maybe even being able to beat them.
I doubt the 2nd could spam flying thunder god when he was alive. Remember, he was a constantly regenerating edo when doing that. And while Hashirama was a beast in chakra, he still had a limit. He put himself at equal to Naruato(with Kurama), and we've seen them get worn out.
So a smart fighter like the 3rd could maybe still beat them. The issue is that Madara and 1 and 2 had these big flashy Jutsus that made them stoppable as edo. But who knows how many times they could use them when alive. Could the 1st have used the creation of the forest one and the wood statue in the same fight? Maybe, maybe not. If he could, then I don't see how Madara would have EVER been close to his level when alive. The dude needed edo and Hashirama cells AND a ten tails to be a monster.
So, while the first and 2nd were beasts, they were benefiting from being zombies. While the 3rd didn't get much benefit from that other than the undieing body. He still used clones to counter the ten tail attack with elements. Dude wasn't a pushover.
Well 3rd was able to fight the senju bros alone. The edos were weak but same goes for hiruzen due to his age, so imo its on same terms. 😅😅
It's a genuine question which series has more Retcons, naruto or d c comics.
The thing about Hiruzen is that...he has almost no feats. And the feats he does have- are skewed or limited. Like when he battled Orochimaru people brought up his age and how it would be so much easier for him if he was 10 years younger and even then he was already very old at that point. And during the war arc the only feats he really has is countering the Geto statue. Which is impressive because the statue was a Hashirama Level feat with multiple nature techniques applied to it.
I feel like Hiruzen knew FR2 and Rasengan he just never used them because of the insane drain they'd put on his chakra.
The tail beast was a retcon.
REMEMBER WHEN HIRO WHOOPED THE OTHERS *AND* OROSHI?!
Is good to point out they were very nerfed, but that said e also was heavily nerfed (that said yes in taijutsu he whooped them, being outboxed by a old man isn't the best feat)
Im so happy that Onepiece doesnt have so manny plotholes. This far the only thing I noticed is the Haki problem. There is simply NO WAY that Crocodile didnt know how to use it. Same goes for Moria. Smoker should have known about it as well. As well as Buggy...
Or that Hiruzen was chosen to be Hokage as a child when the 1st and 2nd said "starting tomorrow, you'll be Hokage". Then they made it more believable by saying it happened during the second great war when he wouldve sacrificed himself.
Professor Oak didn't know crap about Pokémon, and he's still regarded the best Pokémon Professor ever. Sooooo... Maybe this is fair.
I swear for some reason I recall the 3rd being the only other one called "A God of shinobi" i don't remember where I heard that but it pops in my head whenever his power was in question
FunFact: Kakkashi quotes about rule and scum its originally from Kakkashi itself, not from other people.
I love that damn HxH Hypland shirt dude… almost got it for myself about 15 times. Don’t know why I didn’t.
I am like the biggest Hiruzen hater of all time, but even I have to say, that Hiruzen is probably the third strongest Hokage of all time. After Naruto and Hashirama ofcourse. He was like no joke at all, he was legit a real freaking threat. And I do believe that he could go toe to toe with Hashirama for a couple of minutes.
Fair enough
The god tree thing doesn't really sound like a retcon, just an old legend that changes over time like in real life.
Honestly, I know of the retcons
I just choose to ignore them, Makes it much easier to enjoy the series
Must be an “Araki forgot” type of situation. Kishimoto forgot his own damn shit.
The whole thing with orochimaru launching this big plan to invade the leaf using teenagers when he had 2 dead hokage he could control is wild. He even brought up a coffin that was implied to have Minato in it too, even though that doesn't make sense given later events.
Hey if your commissioned to make a Manga every week for some years. I'm not surprised some things are left out or not explaned. I'm just glad the end was satisfying.
That's kind of how the real world goes too. We always favor current figures over past figures. Even if the past ones were really much more important of powerful or whatever. I wouldn't think of it as a recon, but a revelation if how the current day has lost touch with the past.
I BEEN THINKING ABOUT THAT ABOUT THE TREE BUT NO ONE EVER BRINGS IT UP SO I JUST THOUGHT I MISSED SOMETHING AND WAS TOO LAZY TO BRING IT UP BUT NAHH!!! RETCON!! 😂
The Hashirama-Tsunade "retcon" theory of Nick is based of a head canon where he believes that Hashirama married Mikoto when the leaf was formed, however that is stated nowhere, and there's kind of nothing to support it...
As for the ten tails thing, wasn't that like filler???
A lot of things from original Naruto are retconned. But I think that helped mangaka who came after have an overall direction and plan. I think shows like bleach and one piece who were popular around the same time never dealt with this cause even though they were written in similar fashion they tried to introduce things when the main character was there so we feel like we learned the same time Luffy and ichigo learn. But Naruto jumps around so much it gets muddy
People, please remember that sometimes the authors are forced to continue the story past what they intended by outside forces. Retcons are a casualty
I look at it as lore, like people passing down a story but getting some details wrong.
My favorite retcon is the entirety of the "Tailed Beasts" and "Jinchuriki" plotline. It's a genuinely fun and interesting aspect of the series, and it didn't exist at all until Shippuden, with the Nine Tails and One Tail being retconned into not just being part of a set, but a set much larger than just the two of them.
Retcons aren't always bad. Generally speaking, they're usually written into a story for a reason. They can often be genuine improvements to the story that address issues or just make something more cool than it would have been otherwise. The quality of a retcon isn't based on whether something was changed, but in how it was handled. If a change is too drastic and/or handled in a way that's too blatant of a contradiction to what's already established, it's probably a bad retcon. On the other hand, if the change is handled in a way that makes the reader/viewer feel like it's a natural enough progression of the knowledge they already have and makes them feel hype, it's a good one. A pretty big list of people's favorite things from fictional media in general are a result of retcons.
Question for you, could someone with Strength of a Hundred technique survive opening the eight gates? What about Hashirama and his innate regeneration ability? Also how much stronger would Tsunade and Sakura be?
That's why I love your content You're like the enemy of fanboys the perfect kryptonite.
Combining retcons into one coherent story is what makes Naruto fun to watch:
Hiruzen was the strongest Hokage IF we're only talking about base forms. Since he knew all the jutsus in Konoha other than kekkei genkais, he could've known how to use all the jutsus all the other hokages knew, and the best counter for it
I agree, at this point somone has to work from the end, backwards and remake the manga to fit all of the retcons into it... I love Naruto the most out of the big 3, but at this point they even got rid of handsigns until they remembered that in the last fight they where needed for most jutsu. Best example, Kakashi vs Zabuza 1 and last Naruto vs Sasuke.
Dude we didn’t see hiruzen in his prime only old age. But when he is brought back via edo, it does showcase how powerful he is. I mean 5 shadow clones and each one doing each nature style as powerful as someone who has an affinity for one….. each one he did was like he had an affinity for each style.
Remember the weird mission rank D-S that was bought up at the start of the series and then almost neve used again?
Its important to remember that most statements in naruto are made by people who dont know the whole story. They believe the information is correct when it may not be
As a Naruto fan, I hate a lot of the retcons & twists revealed in Part II/Shippuden; especially the ones in the Anime & Boruto which try to make Kaguya look sympathetic when her & Black Zetsu are responsible for nearly everything in the franchise.
Not to mention the entire story boils down to Kaguya giving Chakra to the world then deciding she wants to take it back.
Im convinced the God Tree was different from the Tails Tree, like they came to earth to get a seed. That would explain why there were 2 10 tails
The reason hiruzen was considered the strongest hokage is prob because when he arranged the first 5 kage summit, he was jumped by the other 4 kage and then hiruzen destroyed all of them
I think the village always just referred to whoever was the current hokage as the strongest of all time until Hiruzens death, mostly because the idea of surpassing the first four was an insane idea.
The number of retcons in Naruto makes me so sad cause I love it so much. Like if the story were even somewhat consistent or had a more consistent timeline it'd be like 10 times better. It's still my favorite anime but like bruhhhhhhh
I still think they meant for Itachi to be evil lol
I feel like that last one was just on you for believing anime Filler Cannon.
Yes the "Ten-Tails are God Tree Seeds that eat Otsutsuki" is a Retcon but it's a Retcon in the way the Kakashi/Obito flashbacks are a Retcon. They are Kishimoto going back and properly explaining lore & events that already happend, literally it is Retroactive Continuity. Bringing up the anime only lore of Kaguya & the God Tree doesn't count as a "changed the lore" retcon.