Destiny & Fate In THE PLACE BEYOND THE PINES (2013) - A Video Essay
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- Опубликовано: 4 окт 2024
- This week, we look at destiny and fate in Derek Cianfrance's 2013 epic, THE PLACE BEYOND THE PINES, starring Ryan Gosling and Bradley Cooper.
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Apparently Ben Mendelsohn actually improvised the 'if you ride like lightening, you're gonna crash like thunder' line
KARMAkilledyou that guy is such a boss
I really didn't pay attention to this guy until this film. I remember him as a stoner snowboarder in that bad Everest film, but he was so intense here and the HBO Outsider series. Really love his work.
Probably from looking at Ryan’s shirt.
Ben Mendelson has a film (called Una) where he plays a sex offender (in the UK) (it also stars Riz Ahmed) and it's a very good film acting-wise. One of his, if not the best film he has played.
@@robh6685 See him at his PSYCHOTIC Best as BAD BOY POPE in the Australian Crime-NOIR film ANIMAL KINGDOM - also giving career best turns are JACKI WEAVER as MOMMA SMURF and GUY PEARCE as the Cop trying to bring the Crime family down. It's a TOUR DE FORCE of GREAT Film-making. 😍
It's hard to put into words the way I was affected by this movie. I remember coming out of the cinema feeling I had witnessed something deeply profound and it played on my mind for at least a week. An incredibly bold piece of film making.
Jake Rowles NAA, I think that was just your girlish emotions playing on you, it happens to me too when I'm watching a sappy television advertisement like an AT&T "calling home moment" these really get my teas flowing
The same feeling bro 👍
@@chestyp0311 wow so you’re saying that if men can’t cry, I feel sorry for you
It was deeply profound because it touched on the mystery and weight of father and son relationships, along with dynamics of class structure and poverty.
@@chestyp0311 What are you a cartoon character, not everything is so simple.
Good video, just one disagreement. Luke was not a man with no money, respect or girl in the beginning. He has all of these things, as he is paid to do what he loves, gets respect from the adoring crowds for his feats, and is implied to have girls in every town, as he sees no need to keep in touch after he leaves a given girl/town. The fact that he has all these things makes his later sacrifice of them noble, as the need to be a responsible father to his newly discovered son outweighs the "good life" he has. He gives up the life that was all about himself, in exchange for a life that was all about his son.
This comment is beautiful!
Agreed I got that when I watch it I thought like despite having them things Gabe them up once he realised he had a baby to take care of
You should've made this video 🤣
And what makes it even more sad is that he was denied the opportunity to even raise that kid when you can tell he really wanted to
There are many subtle lines in this movie that allude to Luke’s past. In one moment he says something like “my dad wasn’t around and look at how I turned out.” Yet as soon as Luke finds out that he has a son, he drops everything and wants to be there for him. This movie brilliantly shows so many different relationships between fathers and sons. Luke didn’t have a close relationship with his father, but wants one with his son. Avery has a close relationship with his father, but he has no time for AJ and almost looks at his as a burden. Kofi isn’t even Jason’s real father yet he’s always been there for him. AJ even mocks him for having a black stepfather, yet their relationship is something AJ wishes he had. It’s really beautiful.
"You're callin' him back!"
That broke my heart and healed it at the same time.
Every time someone ask me why i like ryan gosling, i just say that its for this movie, the nice guys and drive.
Uriel Gallegos I'd add the big short to that. The man has range
I just wish there was more Ryan gosling
You should also watch 'half Nelson'
hot potato i think thatsthe movie for me where i thought he was legit, he followed that with lars and the real girl, another great one.
Matches Malone "Jacked to the tits!"
I think you missed the point. Jason, the son, escaped "fate." He escaped to The Place Beyond the Pines. Notice how he rides through fields at the end. The rest of the movie takes place in a town surrounded by pine trees. And he literally left town. The other characters chose to stay, which meant their fate was determined.
Unlike Ryan Gosling and Bradley cooper's character, Jason didn't allow his past actions or history to take hold of his identity. He forgave his dad's killer.
Luke Cage held onto the past by trying to rob banks for his child. The cop who killed Luke never forgave himself for his mistakes either. Which made him rat out his fellow policemen.
That's really interesting. I always took it that Jason was running away at the end, choosing a life on the road rather than facing his problems, and so dooming himself to follow in the footsteps of his father. But I can really see it the way you described with the point that he forgave his dad's killer and so escaped his fate.
Eh.. its Luke Glanton.
But the point you present is relevant.
You Guys aren't gonna see this but right at the start Luke is driving into a cage he can't escape and he is stuck but at the end the son instead of staying in the same cage the pines he makes it out he gets to the place beyond the pines
He “ratted out” his fellow policemen for being corrupt pieces of shit, not for some guilt for a criminal he killed. Reporting the cop who wanted to take coke out of the evidence room had nothing to do with Luke , it was just the corruption he had a problem with
Great !!
The Place Beyond The Pines is a modern fuckin' masterpiece. Glad you called it one of the greatest of all time. It's so true. Derek Cianfrance is underrated and before his time. Genius.
The sunglasses scene gives me chills every fucking time. I shed a tear everytime in this movie because of how i feel i relate to this story. Such an amazing film
He even wore Metallica's Ride The Lightning t-shirt.
great analysis, this movie was in my top 10 of 2013 and it annoys me how little attention it gets, truly a hidden gem.
This movie is tremendous.
Original and moving. I was a single child. I grew up not knowing my father. Was told he was no good and didn't want to see me, which was not true. I have 3 children of my own I struggle to see now and they're being told I'm no good and I don't want to see them. This film is one of the few that focus on the 2 father and son relationships and also the fate, destiny, history repeating themes. Sometimes you have to break the cycle, although not always obvious how to do it.
Great video man 👌
Dont know your story, but im rooting for you and your kids. Merry Christmas.
The first time I saw this film I was 16 years old and I stayed up all night after watching thinking hard about what it means to be a man and a father. Mike Patton’s snow angel never fails to bring a tear to my eye, especially at the precise moments it’s used in the film. I watched it again last night and it touched me on another level. Luke reminds me so much of my brother. And to a lesser degree myself. Masculinity and the notion of duty, feeling like a failure and taking wild risks to escape that feeling of being a let down. Wanting to do so much more for yourself and those that mean the most to, but just not knowing how. I think there are millions of Handsome Lukes in this world and we can all be saved. Our pasts don’t have to define our futures and if you’re brave enough to confront your demons and change you can save yourself. This film truly touched my heart.
As creative as the intertwining multiple stories concept was, I can't help but wish that the entire movie had focused on Ryan Gosling's character despite how good the actual movie really was
I feel the same. It felt like two different movies. They could have made an epic anti hero movie out of the first half
I don’t know, making a whole movie out of just that would kill the whole point. It simply wasn’t about these people individually, and it wasn’t even necessarily about their intertwining lives. It’s just about how each person has a part in the whole. Separate movies would turn this from a movie that has immense potential for dialogue into a serious of above average dramas.
Thanks for reviewing this film. I was a publicist for the film and it was truly a joy to work with Derek. He’s just a fantastic talent.
I love this film. Regret, remorse, redemption... desperation. The willingness to make the wrong decisions to rectify the past, that can never be undone.
This movie keeps getting better for me. The music. The characters. I'm still in awe of how this movie made me feel. And I worked in up state New York for the better part of my 20's, and they captured something about the people of that region. And I believe he captured a feeling of desperation among people in our country. In such a beautiful way. Cheers!
This movie got me into riding motorcycles and will always be one of my favorite films. Awesome video mate!
This movie got me into robbing banks in jail now but oh well
@@NZCONES oh...
@@NZCONES LMFA
Anyone who loves this film as much as I do is automatically a friend for life in my book. I love you guys!
I agree completely, the place beyond the pines is one of my favourite films of all time, it's probably the most impacting film I've seen
I thought I was alone in thinking this is one of the best films ever made, it's my number one favorite film of all time and no one has ever even heard of it when I say that. It was great to see your video on it, and how the concept of fate is so important in the film and gave me something new to appreciate about it
The part really makes u cry when u realize Avery had the photo of Luke with his family
Guilt is a horrible thing. Avery didn't use the death of Luke to boost his career, he exposed slime bag dirty cops to boost his career.
It's crazy how Drive is super popular while this movie is fairly unknown
Amazing analysis! Absolutely one of my favourite movies. Used to give the blu ray for bday and xmas gifts to all my friends and family.
Such a great film. Plus it has special meaning for me as it was filmed in my area (Schenectady, Scotia and Glenville NY). The word Schenectady means "place beyond the pines" in the native iroquois language
I love the "ride like lightning, crash like thunder" line. Wisdom
Apparently that wasn't even written line, it was an off the cuff line the actor came up with.
He was even wearing a MetallicA RIDE the Lightning shirt
This was such a beautiful movie I can’t even express how I feel about this film. When this movie came out in 2012, it helped me with the extreme isolation and depression I was feeling at the time. I am so happy this movie was made such a masterpiece
This was one of those films that I randomly stumbled upon on TV years ago. Random films, you never know whether to give it a chance or not but damn I'm glad I did. I pops into my head every so often and I just remember it being such a great film.
I finally saw this within the last couple of months and was floored. I'm a bit sad that there isn't more discussion of it out here. Thank you!
Derek Tilton tells you how superficial and shallow people can be, it takes a lot to process something so deep
So many videos featuring Ryan Gosling's films!
C-DAT ryan knows how to be in good movies!
As a 31 year old ex criminal and Ex heroin addict. That first and last arc in specific are sooo accurate to reality.
Goslings character in this movie is soooo reminding of a person trying to get out of that situation of poverty, stigma etc. that he has been place in due to whatever time and circumstances got him there in the first place….and then later you see the pattern continue with his son.
It’s extremely realistic to someone whose trying to make better of himself/situation but making bad choices to do it, like you said
“Trying to prove to the world he’s not a failure”
You’ve earned a new sub man, blessings from Chicago area 💯
I watched this last night.. for the first time. I have no excuse other than I have trouble committing to semi long films. It was the shortest “long” film I have ever watched. The performances, the story, the motivations, the characters, the cast.. all amazing. It touched me in places I never knew existed.
I saw the movie in theaters with my girlfriend. I have father issues since I was raised by my nana and see him only once a year at xmas, he's a die-hard punk rocker in boston. When the movie ended I just started balling my eyes out as everyone left, my girlfriend held me. Movie shook me to the emotional core, I felt the same feelings the son did.
I watched this movie after watching drive, thinking "eh whatever, he was good in drive, I'll put this on and fall asleep" and it blew me away, such a great film I've recommended it to anyone who will listen.
I am glad that I randomly came across this film and saw it. A sheer gem of a film. Don't know why it is still not seen by that many people.
Excellent analysis! I love this film. The soundtrack still rings in my head
TJS MIND I love the soundtrack so much!
I think what I liked most about this movie was how it kept me on my toes about where it was headed. After Luke died I wondered what was going to happen next and decided to just experience the scenes as they were taking place. At the end, it seemed like Luke just reincarnated as his son Jason. However, it did feel weird when Jason was so hung up about his dead father when Kofi was there since birth. I guess it could be a movie about generational trauma and trying to break a cycle to move to a “place beyond the pines”
We see that Kofi loved Jason and Jason loved Kofi. Kofi keeps it 150% real with Jason about his biological father, even while buying him ice cream (which is what his real father did for him as a baby).
Kofi was the type of man that Luke should have turned into if he was serious about being a father. He has skills as a mechanic and could've found other honest work but he got addicted to the adrenaline of bank robbing and died as a result. Avery was justified in shooting him but it didn't need to be done since Luke was surrendering (but he had a gun in his hand when Avery broke into the room and even shot Avery after Avery shot him). Tragic, but justified.
Kofi didn't bad mouth Luke to Jason, and simply told him the truth that he was "just a guy with a baby". Luke even violently assaulted Kofi for making him leave his home. Kofi took care of his wife, her mother, and her son. That's a real man.
I'm glad the film didn't really even have an antagonist because it didn't really need one. Ray Liotta and the corrupt cops were the closest thing to an antagonist.
I guess you never watch ancestry shows because most people what to know who their father. I know for a fact I would have want to know. Jason asks his mom if she loved him at all or hated him. I have a cousin whose father worked for my grandfather and he wasn't showing up for work so they went to the address he gave and he had a wife, 3 children and she was pregnant and they were in a small house with one window. The mother ended up giving the baby to my grandparents and then my aunt and uncle adopted her. Her dad would on occasion try to contact them. My uncle never wanted her to know even her mother, but as soon as he died she contacted her mother. We all saw where her dad had died years before, alone in the VA hospital with no family listed. Here is where it gets spooky, my cousin's oldest son was very much like her birth father and had lots of problems. He is better now, but he never knew his grandfather, but was almost identical in his behavior.
Good analysis. This film is underrated. Many timed I've heard people say the movie is good until Luke dies. But Luke didn't really die, he is in your thoughts as you watch Jason live. You can feel Luke for the entire movie.
I dont understand, are we supposed to feel sympathy for Luke? There are plenty of ways to provide for your kid without being a complete low life. Never understood this
@@eternalpersian8970 like Luke said , his father was never there for him, or once in his life, he wanted to do the opposite for his son , and give him all he needs , he didn’t know how but he wanted to do it , all he had was his motorcycle , so he rlly couldn’t do much , he had to be a low life
@@Socialrejectzallhuman he was a skilled mechanic and could've found other work too. He didn't even try. He wanted to rob banks because it was a thrill just like cage riding was. Luke loved his girl and loved his son though, no mistake about that. He just went about it the wrong way.
Kofi was the father Jason really needed and even loved and treated him like a son. If Luke would've found honest work he could've easily still been a part of Jason's life without being dead and leaving a trail of fire behind him.
@@flightofthebumblebee9529 where did you get that he was a skilled mechanic? I think you may be thinking about his character in Drive lol
excellent essay! the way the movie uses classical structures but also this handheld style of filmmaking really speaks to me. it made me think of star wars, like a grounded version of the sins of the father motif in star wars. anyway i'm glad it's getting some recognition here. cianfrance is a very special filmmaker.
i don't comment much on videos, but great job mate. you deserve more subs
This is my favorite movie of all time so far, you really did a great analysis and you really do find the perfect words for certain moments, i loved how you adressed how certain scenes ran parralel, when i first noticed it myself it gave me goosebumps, the song snow angel fits so perfect.
Keep it up
DUDE! Great analysis! I just watched this film for the first time. I wasn't expecting anything amazing because I hadn't heard many people talk about it, but I was pleasantly surprised. I love it when that happens!
Place beyond the pines is an awesome film and whenever I hear the music in the comparison scenes I choke up. Masterpiece 👌🏻
Most clever cinema essay channel on RUclips, I just loved this movie, but, sinceraly, couldn't understand why. Now I do.
My good god. I search through a lot of these videos for inspiration and to drop our stuff to others, and I'm telling you, you have a gift. Please, please keep making videos. You've earned a hardcore fan. Amazing. So well done.
Great analysis! Definitely one of the most underrated movies ever 👌
That last scene when Jason took off with his bike 💙
You sound like Badger from Breaking Bad
now i can't get it out of my head
omg yesss
15 years and that van is still parked there.
also it's a shame that Dairy Circus burned down a few years ago. It had the picture on the side of it after this film was released.
At least they rebuilt it tho!
Such a brilliant movie. It's a true shame it has been seen by so few. Great video.
such a brilliant thing you do and more important, the way you do it, digging deeper into stories. thank you!
Great movie , about fathers and sons , definitely comes full circle when his kid rides off on that motorcycle.
The kids did not become "best friends" - they met and became friends, for a very short period of time.
I love this movie! The soundtrack is incredible! Thanks for the analysis
Phenomenal work
Cheers!
I saw this on Netflix randomly one day and it instantly was in top10 movies for me. I kinda liked how no one knows about it in a very hipster way. Makes it feel like you and the movie have a secret lmao know what I mean?
Being a pagan and witch the themes of fate and destiny come up alot throughout the religion but If there's one thing I've learned is that the only way that you can change your fate is to change yourself. That's why I believe that luke's son survived at the end. I belived that his original intent was to carry out the death of Cross but in that very moment, luke's son changed the winds of fate by changeing something within himself...he let cross live. This movie has some POWERFUL meanings behind it and it's a marvel to watch such raw emotion well done!
lol fucking cringe. You're not a witch, you're just stupid.
I completely forgot about this movie. One of the greats of all time as you stated. Great video 🙏🙌
I think the film/book East of Eden also greatly influenced this movie
Another beautiful analysis. Subscribed!
P Wilson Thanks, dude!
This may be a wee detail but I think it's important. The reason why Avery feels guilt initially is that he shot first, not only has he killed some one but he did not follow proper police protocol.
did anyone notice that after the crooked cops and avery take the money from jason’s mom that they’re listening to hall and oates in the car, which is what avery called Mendelson’s character and himself earlier?
I think Avery is guilty because he knows he shot before even looking at the situation and Luke's gun went off as he was falling out the window. He hit Kofi because Koft would let him put the crib together. While I think Rob was trying to help Luke, he destroyed the only piece of property he owned and the only thing he identified with or that he was famous for. Why not let him give his son a crib? Koft asks, if is okay for the baby's father to even be in the house.
I love that movie. Thanks for this essay
Bro i just watched this movie, it just resonated with me so much, really feeling ryan gosling right now.
Such a great video thank you for creating it. Im 5 years late, but better late than never : )
This movie is phenomenal. Not to mention his sick ass traditional tattoos
This film is truly unique and this essay was sooo good
NOW I UNDERSTAND WHY LUC BESSON CASTED HIM in VALERIAN.
Because Nicolas Winding Renf's Drive... 100%
Easily the best movie tats ever.
Perfected story telling in this film, great essay.
You where in the recommended section of a nerdwriter video I'm glad I clicked on to this video awesome video essay
Glad you enjoyed it!
6:28 Bradley Cooper really brought out that Phil from the Hangover character again
The movie soundtrack is so adorable ❤️😭
This is one of my favourite movie. I love it so much
Great video and movie!
Pekka Maattanen thanks!
iamthatroby you are very welcome!
Nice work, you should maybe focus on key scenes of the movie (dialogues, directing..) to make the parallel with shakespeare stronger !
Love your channel
the sons are not best friends, just acquaintances.
I think it's cool that Mike Patton does the music score for this movie the guy who made the movie was a Mr bungle fan and seen them live as a kid
Great video essay! I love this film and watched it many times but never drew connection to Shakespeare. Thanks for making this.
This is fantastic
What about the symbolism of the ride the lightning t shirt ryan goslings wearing subtle foreshadowing
I'm subscribing after watching this video
Anything Gosling is a part of drips with meaning and effort
Beautifully done.
Fate is so power full , you can not escape with wealth or war. No fort will keep it out and no ships outrun it
Within the first two minutes you are wrong, he gave her a chance to explain herself when she showed up, she showed up for a purpose. Obviously knowing she's pregnant but wanted to be chased. This doesn't take away from his "average persona" but it instills realism into our world when dealing with such women. As lower class people would admit too. Which gives the movie such power. I will further edit, if needed. No further edit needed, good man.
If you ever get a chance, watch I know this much is true. The show is very similar in tone to this movie. Great show also. And this is one of my favorite movies. So well put together.
Great video
This movie is one of my favorites!!
this movie is sooo good
Great job man.Great movie
the plot of this movie could make a ten season series
Beautiful
Great video dude, u did great
I can’t think of a better story
Watched a few nights ago 11/2020. Left me a hot mess. I felt my chest tighten so many times during the movie & holding the tears. I couldn’t stop thinking of the characters! Especially Luke! I drove by a bank the next day & thought of him! Of course Jason as well especially at the end & way he drove off on the motorcycle to the “west.” What will be his destiny there? I couldn’t help but think he’s go to have the same path & trouble w/the law especially how his dad was shot by a cop & how Robin lied to him saying the cops chopped up his dad’s bike... right when Jason was introduced as teen I saw the similarities to Luke... There’s so much I could say on this movie. A part of me wants to warn ppl and say no don’t do it, it will mess you up! But another part of me wants them to watch it because it is an amazing movie. It’s been several days since I saw it and I literally started doing internet searches about the movie! I’ve never done that over a fictional characters in a movie! That’s how much Luke stayed in my mind. I wished so much for him. Once he knew he had a baby, he was a true man about it his responsibilities, showed a good heart, good intentions, he just went about it all wrong but he didn’t have much of a good influence. He tells Ro he didn’t have a dad & look how he turned out. Alright I’m done. This movie has me undone lol. Excellent job by Ryan Gosling!!!
I love this god damn movie
Awesome
beautiful video, beautiful film
This is beautiful..
If you like this movie then I'd suggest watching 'Blue Valentine'. Another gem and another Gosling starred film - I believe it to better.
And same director....
Blue Valentine broke my heart even more than this one did. Especially if you ever had to bury a beloved dog, and especially if you ever helped raise kids that weren't yours and then got dumped by their mom.