I don’t care if you guys review AC, Yamaha, Skidoo or Polaris (I’m a Polaris guy)…. I love your reviews and always have. Been a subscriber to Supertrax since the mid 90’s and watch every episode you guys produce!!! Keep up the excellent work fellas!!
I would second that… been watching since the stienbaker sled Ed days TSN and got the magizine just as long… I find myself watching old school sled reviews for something to do nothing like a 2011 FX nytro review or a 2014 free ride review to see where we have come from
I got to ride the 2024 T-cat EPS ATAC at the Arctic Cat photo shoot, amazing snowmobile and so easy to ride. The EPS is so good that you forget you're steering, it's almost like the sled just reads your mind. Engine and chassis are perfect together!
I've rode cat since my infancy of riding. That's just what the cards held for me in my case. I have grown to love cat and separate from the skidoo rev my dad gave me (not running) that's all I've owned. I only have the Suzuki under my belt of knowledge, but that's why I fell in love with em. I had a bullet bike from zuki with inline 4 and man that thing was awesome. Reliable and peppy! That translated even more with the sleds. I kinda wish they'd lighten em up a bit which they have with ctec but I know there's that fine line of light/reliable. So I take the weight. Just wish Arctic cat would listen more to it's buyers. I wanna new cat but I don't wanna single beam. Well I'm outta luck now..... So I've been looking at Polaris which I know from jump a bad thought in the mountain segment of being reliable. They're light, I'll give em that. But it's at a drastic cost of being reliable... Cat please listen to your consumers! We can't afford to lose you. It'll be a monopoly at that point!
My dad raced raced oval and cross country races across mn in the late 60s and early 1970s on scorpions, super stinger 340, mark 3 400 etc etc. And I dont mean like a single race a season, i mean, a hundred trophys.. a race every weekend or two minimum. Im 42 now, and when i was young, he still had the stinger. Thats what i learned to ride on when i was able to start it myself at 11 or 12. But watching his old races on old movie reels, no idea what format they are, still have them, but watching how they rode those old things back in the 70s was bananas. I see young kids freaking out over clearing a county road ditch banging with 2021s, my dad and guys at 20yrs old were clearing county roads on 1970 scorpions, rupps, artic cats, skidoos, with next to no suspension. Oval tracks equal literal catcher pads on the legs for dragging knees on thr ice, the crappiest open faced helmets. They would cut a plate and extended the ski base out an extra inch on eotyer side, and would run what he called pizza cutters on the skis to help turn it on ovals. The old stinger 340 with stock exhaust topped out on radar in 2017 at 72.4mph. Not bad with a 170lb rider on it after all those years.. its just awesome seeing how far tech has brought sleds, especially since even late 90s 2000s. I was ripping an 02 xc 600sp wondering at the time, how could sleds get any better? And chassis kept evolving, and thibgs kept progressing and here we are. And riding a zrt from that time, to a 2021 u name it, is literal niggt and day. Now go from 2021 to 1970, and is insane. But what they did back in the day, was just a differnt kind of crazy to me. Sure they werent ripping back flips, and whatever. But running the river when its half open, and ckearing county roads and approaches all day long, and riding them like we ride modern sleds to me is just nuts. He ended up donating his sleds not to long ago to a museum here in mn. Forget which one, but if you see a 70 stinger with peterson bros racing stickers on it in mn, thats my pops sled. Sleds came along ways man.
Awesome review once again. I'd give my left nut for one of these.... but I already gave it away when I bought my brand new Thunder Cat 4x4 in 2009! And dang it is still crazy fast as well! Keep up the exciting videos guys.... Cheers.
Upgrade the instrument cluster and give them the full package. That could make them king again! I think it’s a great sled. But just short of a first place ribbon.
Your show is very entertaining and great fun! I will say that the TCat and sidewinder are sleds that must be studded. I’ve seen numerous dyno tests and most stock TCats are getting north of 210 HP! That’s stock!
It's hard to believe snowmobile innovation Is that the point where people are too lazy to get off the sled to adjust suspension. I remember not so long ago It felt like a good day If nothing breaks down. 😆
It is just an option. I think the point of 4 stroke riding is exactly what you mention at the end though. I finally got sick of my 2 strokes, I just want to get some miles in. So far so good, but I just got mine and don't have a ton of miles on yet. But those options don't make it any more fun. I'll be honest, I have as much fun riding my 94 Indy 500 as I do my 17 ZR 9000. The ZR is more comfortable, faster, etc. But I could bang around a beater all day and be completely satisfied as long as nothing broke.
Fastest...maybe, maybe not. No doubt Tcat and SRX are the top of the current lineups. Only thing separating SRX from the Tcat is Yamaha's clutch. It's hard to beat a time tested, damn near bullet proof, clutch system.
But it is, I think you are saying "maybe, maybe not" to squeeze the SRX into the conversation. And that's fair, I would say they are the fastest sleds, sure the clutching is different, but they are far more in common that they don't have in common. For all intents and purposes, they are the same sled, you would cross shop them most likely for the best deal. So I would say they (Tcat or SRX) are the fastest production sleds.
I won't disagree with any of that. Just saying that the only real difference is the clutch. If I were on the fence as to which one to choose, that may be the decision maker. 🤷♂️
Great review as always. But Is the seat really that comfortable and suspension that great after a full day of ungroomed mogul trails? Compared to say ski doo or polaris? Which one would pick for a 5 day trip?
A lot of things to consider there. I personally think the Cat seat is too soft and other sleds vary from model to model. To be honest I'd probably go with a 2-stroke for a long ride.
Basically same engine as the Sidewinders, but the latter has smooth Yamaha clutching. Regardless, both are ridiculously powerful lines of sleds. Do wish I'd had EPS options when I got my ST-X GT, because it's an incredible 2-up cruiser otherwise.
The aftermarket support is nearly un conceivable These things are like the Yamaha banshee or the Honda 250r You buy it and then you build it and then you keep it forever!
My guess is the difference between 800 and 850 engine. That being said Syxxes productions always had arctic cats. He recently bought a friends turbo cat. You will find him on RUclips
Very few mountian riders in comparison to trail. The meat and bones of the money in the market is sno cross and trail sleds. The two areas, cat wins at.
Call me a conspiracy theorist or what have you but something is going on. I like big HP numbers. What testosterone laden male doesn’t? But I also like those big HP numbers coupled with LOW weight. At least with Rotax’s ability to make a 2 stroke that runs as clean as a 4 stroke why is all the muscle showing up in 4 stroke clothing? Back just a decade and a half ago BRP had a monster 2 stroke 1000 cc, semi direct injected beast with an advertised 172hp. For lake racing crowd why not just improve that motor, ETEC it and be on your way? Lose the weight of the 4 stroke, lose the weight and complexity of the turbo, improve the hp to weight ratio and kick some good old fashioned butt! Mfgs seem hell bent on adding tech vs keeping things as light and simple as possible. There’s gotta be a reason that the media and mfgs aren’t telling us.
@@snowtrax Please accept my humblest apology. In my defense ‘the media’ is getting blamed for everything these days. I’m remiss in my fact checking before opening mouth. I hope you do see where I’m coming from. Especially BRP was, until recently, a 2 stroke snowmobile company first. The last few seasons have seen an impressive increase in adding tech vs keeping things light.
You’re talking about the Mach z 1000 twin? the one that consistently blew up all the time? I’m not sure there’s a Mach out there that actually has the original engine in it still
@@brandon65678 I’m am talking about an improved 1000cc engine, well balanced, etec’ed vs sdi and non turbo’ed. I am not talking about resurrecting the original. Lighter, narrower, without the 4 stroke weight.
You wouldn’t believe the amount of emissions crap on my 4 stroke outboard boat motor. I can’t even imagine what red tape they have to go through for a clean fire 2 stroke snowmobile engine.
Shame on SnowTrax for claiming the thundercat to be the speed king all because they raced a stock thundercat vs a stock Renegade XRS with no windshield down a snow covered lake and they thundercat was 3mph faster than a rough trail sled designed to take the bumps. The Mach-Z is the sled that SnowTrax needs to do a all out speed comparison. The Mach-Z is the lake racer not the XRS Renegade. I don't care if SnowTrax has to borrow a Mach-Z. Get it done SnowTrax.
@@snowtrax never said you are the worst and that is a childish reply to not comparing Ski-Doo’s top dog and direct competitor to Arctic cats Thundercat. I guarantee you the MachZ will be faster than the XRS Renegade. The Mach Z had the faster speeds in both box stock and dealer prep runs at Old Forge. The Mach Z is lowered and has a windshield. Please do not claim the Thundercat the fastest production sled until you race the Mach-Z head to head vs the Thundercat.
great job AJ. don’t let the haters ruin your day. do I agree with everything u guys say ? prob not all of it but ea one is entitled to his own opinion on a machine and thats what ur doing. voicing your thoughts. keep it up bud !
More to do with how high the new sleds are vs sleek old ones. You need an incredible amount of hp to push air. Especially at 100mph. Also tracks are longer, so more inertia.
I don’t care if you guys review AC, Yamaha, Skidoo or Polaris (I’m a Polaris guy)…. I love your reviews and always have. Been a subscriber to Supertrax since the mid 90’s and watch every episode you guys produce!!! Keep up the excellent work fellas!!
Thank you!!
I would second that… been watching since the stienbaker sled Ed days TSN and got the magizine just as long…
I find myself watching old school sled reviews for something to do nothing like a 2011 FX nytro review or a 2014 free ride review to see where we have come from
@@adamfindlay9632 absolutely! Good to take a trip down memory lane once in a while!
I got to ride the 2024 T-cat EPS ATAC at the Arctic Cat photo shoot, amazing snowmobile and so easy to ride. The EPS is so good that you forget you're steering, it's almost like the sled just reads your mind. Engine and chassis are perfect together!
I've rode cat since my infancy of riding. That's just what the cards held for me in my case. I have grown to love cat and separate from the skidoo rev my dad gave me (not running) that's all I've owned. I only have the Suzuki under my belt of knowledge, but that's why I fell in love with em. I had a bullet bike from zuki with inline 4 and man that thing was awesome. Reliable and peppy! That translated even more with the sleds. I kinda wish they'd lighten em up a bit which they have with ctec but I know there's that fine line of light/reliable. So I take the weight. Just wish Arctic cat would listen more to it's buyers. I wanna new cat but I don't wanna single beam. Well I'm outta luck now..... So I've been looking at Polaris which I know from jump a bad thought in the mountain segment of being reliable. They're light, I'll give em that. But it's at a drastic cost of being reliable... Cat please listen to your consumers! We can't afford to lose you. It'll be a monopoly at that point!
My dad raced raced oval and cross country races across mn in the late 60s and early 1970s on scorpions, super stinger 340, mark 3 400 etc etc. And I dont mean like a single race a season, i mean, a hundred trophys.. a race every weekend or two minimum. Im 42 now, and when i was young, he still had the stinger. Thats what i learned to ride on when i was able to start it myself at 11 or 12. But watching his old races on old movie reels, no idea what format they are, still have them, but watching how they rode those old things back in the 70s was bananas. I see young kids freaking out over clearing a county road ditch banging with 2021s, my dad and guys at 20yrs old were clearing county roads on 1970 scorpions, rupps, artic cats, skidoos, with next to no suspension. Oval tracks equal literal catcher pads on the legs for dragging knees on thr ice, the crappiest open faced helmets. They would cut a plate and extended the ski base out an extra inch on eotyer side, and would run what he called pizza cutters on the skis to help turn it on ovals. The old stinger 340 with stock exhaust topped out on radar in 2017 at 72.4mph. Not bad with a 170lb rider on it after all those years.. its just awesome seeing how far tech has brought sleds, especially since even late 90s 2000s. I was ripping an 02 xc 600sp wondering at the time, how could sleds get any better? And chassis kept evolving, and thibgs kept progressing and here we are. And riding a zrt from that time, to a 2021 u name it, is literal niggt and day. Now go from 2021 to 1970, and is insane. But what they did back in the day, was just a differnt kind of crazy to me. Sure they werent ripping back flips, and whatever. But running the river when its half open, and ckearing county roads and approaches all day long, and riding them like we ride modern sleds to me is just nuts. He ended up donating his sleds not to long ago to a museum here in mn. Forget which one, but if you see a 70 stinger with peterson bros racing stickers on it in mn, thats my pops sled. Sleds came along ways man.
Appears the Tcat still is the monster it always was. Now, just a little more refined. Should make a Tcat rider happier at the end of the day.
I think you mean Yamacat. Before that it was suzukicat
And before that it was Kawasaki cat.
Awesome review once again. I'd give my left nut for one of these.... but I already gave it away when I bought my brand new Thunder Cat 4x4 in 2009! And dang it is still crazy fast as well! Keep up the exciting videos guys.... Cheers.
Great review AJ!!!! That’s a badass sled!!!!
Nice one...I love Arctic Cat and have owned a few in the good ole days...2 stroke is still my fave though.
That right 2 stroke all way 4 stroke sounds like to much like motorcycle to me
Upgrade the instrument cluster and give them the full package. That could make them king again! I think it’s a great sled. But just short of a first place ribbon.
so what sled does get the first place ribbon? Other sleds fall short in alot of areas that the Tcat excels,
Your show is very entertaining and great fun!
I will say that the TCat and sidewinder are sleds that must be studded.
I’ve seen numerous dyno tests and most stock TCats are getting north of 210 HP! That’s stock!
I've got one in my garage, walk around it with this review on and a waxing cloth getting dizzy, can't believe it
It's almost unbelievable that the display is from the 80s.
Got to dealer prep one of these the other day!
My oh my how the time has changed.
T cat = thunder chicken. Been blessed to ride cat. Here kitty kitty kitty!!!!!!!
It's hard to believe snowmobile innovation Is that the point where people are too lazy to get off the sled to adjust suspension. I remember not so long ago It felt like a good day If nothing breaks down. 😆
It is just an option. I think the point of 4 stroke riding is exactly what you mention at the end though. I finally got sick of my 2 strokes, I just want to get some miles in. So far so good, but I just got mine and don't have a ton of miles on yet.
But those options don't make it any more fun. I'll be honest, I have as much fun riding my 94 Indy 500 as I do my 17 ZR 9000. The ZR is more comfortable, faster, etc. But I could bang around a beater all day and be completely satisfied as long as nothing broke.
Arctic Cat needs to review their colours. Grey does not belong on their machines. Who's dumb idea was this anyway.
As always another great review! Question, did SnowTrax review the 2021 TCat? Thx
Reviewed the 2019 and 2022.
I have a stock 2009 z1 1100 turbo with a 1077 cc 178 hp engine, bet i'd give it a run for it's money on a lake.
Throw a 7’s display and I’m sold
Top dog again
Fastest...maybe, maybe not. No doubt Tcat and SRX are the top of the current lineups. Only thing separating SRX from the Tcat is Yamaha's clutch. It's hard to beat a time tested, damn near bullet proof, clutch system.
But it is, I think you are saying "maybe, maybe not" to squeeze the SRX into the conversation. And that's fair, I would say they are the fastest sleds, sure the clutching is different, but they are far more in common that they don't have in common. For all intents and purposes, they are the same sled, you would cross shop them most likely for the best deal. So I would say they (Tcat or SRX) are the fastest production sleds.
I won't disagree with any of that. Just saying that the only real difference is the clutch. If I were on the fence as to which one to choose, that may be the decision maker. 🤷♂️
Srx>tcat
The new ADAPT Cat clutch is nearly identical to the Yami clutch. Great design, but no rattle on this one.
The other difference besides clutching is the 1" on the srx vs the 1.25 on the T-cat
Great review as always. But Is the seat really that comfortable and suspension that great after a full day of ungroomed mogul trails? Compared to say ski doo or polaris? Which one would pick for a 5 day trip?
A lot of things to consider there. I personally think the Cat seat is too soft and other sleds vary from model to model. To be honest I'd probably go with a 2-stroke for a long ride.
Basically same engine as the Sidewinders, but the latter has smooth Yamaha clutching.
Regardless, both are ridiculously powerful lines of sleds. Do wish I'd had EPS options when I got my ST-X GT, because it's an incredible 2-up cruiser otherwise.
Great review channel if you ride trails. If you're a mountain rider like myself, not super useful. Just different kinds of riding.
Do a shootout between the factory 600cc cross country sleds
Why not the Sidewinder since its the same sled minus clutches?
Well is it really faster than the SRX? But alright they are pretty much the same sled. Hoping for something big for 23 models
The aftermarket support is nearly un conceivable
These things are like the Yamaha banshee or the Honda 250r
You buy it and then you build it and then you keep it forever!
I sold my 250r's and my banshee... not this thing tho, the tcat is staying
Might run with a mach z
Okay we're over this just race The Mach z and the thundercat
Don't have a Mach. Can't get a Mach.
You guys should get the Mach z on here then see
Can't get one. Been trying.
The TCat feels faster then the Sidewinder.
Think it will get a better instrument cluster next year?... That’s the only thing holding me back from checking one…
Within the day, this comment section is gunna be full of Cat-haters
Nobody buys them here.
ITS JUST A YAMAHA
@@chrisperry8192 it’s a cat chassis. Cat couldn’t build a motor. Yamaha couldn’t build a chassis. It’s a relationship made in heaven. Lol.
Flat lander here.
Lots of big HP Yami’s around here.
850’s get smoked.
Here they come!!
Not sure I’d buy a 20k sled from a company that I’m not sure will be around in 5 years?
You know for a fact that any of the sled mfgs will be around in 5yrs?,, or if we will be around?
Are there any snow machine SnowTrax does not like? Seems like everything out there reviews positively.
At this point in time, I don’t think there is a bad snowmobile that you can buy. They are all really really good.
All this technology and no snow.
Still looks exactly like it did a decade ago…
If it ain't broke.....
Exactly .
And goes like a bat out of hell, good enough for me
Why do all the mountain guys 95% of em all use Polaris, Ski-Doo, Lynx and see few pick Artic Cat??
My guess is the difference between 800 and 850 engine. That being said Syxxes productions always had arctic cats. He recently bought a friends turbo cat. You will find him on RUclips
Very few mountian riders in comparison to trail. The meat and bones of the money in the market is sno cross and trail sleds. The two areas, cat wins at.
@@rickykroll5755 lol well that explains it all!!! i watched videos of 2 channels BOTH being mountain based.... 🤣😂🤦♂️
Lynx?? Lynx been in North America for only 1 year and you see Lynx on the mountains? Highly doubtful.
@@snappydavegood8820 on RUclips mountains yes
If I buy Arctic Cat sled sure not buying Arctic Cat sled with Yamaha motor in it . I stay with 2 stroke
so can u guys confirm or deny the rumors that yamaha is about to throw in the towell ?
Too BAD Artic Cat dropped Suzuki for Yamaha, and now Yamaha has pulled out of snowmobiles. Where will they get their 4 Stokes Now ? 🇨🇦🤔
Maybe they'll eventually build their own. We'll see.
And no engine showing AGAIN.
Boring graphics and.... Dang, still with that gauge?
MSRP..........$20+??
Call me a conspiracy theorist or what have you but something is going on. I like big HP numbers. What testosterone laden male doesn’t? But I also like those big HP numbers coupled with LOW weight. At least with Rotax’s ability to make a 2 stroke that runs as clean as a 4 stroke why is all the muscle showing up in 4 stroke clothing? Back just a decade and a half ago BRP had a monster 2 stroke 1000 cc, semi direct injected beast with an advertised 172hp. For lake racing crowd why not just improve that motor, ETEC it and be on your way? Lose the weight of the 4 stroke, lose the weight and complexity of the turbo, improve the hp to weight ratio and kick some good old fashioned butt! Mfgs seem hell bent on adding tech vs keeping things as light and simple as possible. There’s gotta be a reason that the media and mfgs aren’t telling us.
You had me until you blamed the media. We aren't hiding any information from you bud.
@@snowtrax Please accept my humblest apology. In my defense ‘the media’ is getting blamed for everything these days. I’m remiss in my fact checking before opening mouth. I hope you do see where I’m coming from. Especially BRP was, until recently, a 2 stroke snowmobile company first. The last few seasons have seen an impressive increase in adding tech vs keeping things light.
You’re talking about the Mach z 1000 twin? the one that consistently blew up all the time? I’m not sure there’s a Mach out there that actually has the original engine in it still
@@brandon65678 I’m am talking about an improved 1000cc engine, well balanced, etec’ed vs sdi and non turbo’ed. I am not talking about resurrecting the original. Lighter, narrower, without the 4 stroke weight.
You wouldn’t believe the amount of emissions crap on my 4 stroke outboard boat motor. I can’t even imagine what red tape they have to go through for a clean fire 2 stroke snowmobile engine.
Shame on SnowTrax for claiming the thundercat to be the speed king all because they raced a stock thundercat vs a stock Renegade XRS with no windshield down a snow covered lake and they thundercat was 3mph faster than a rough trail sled designed to take the bumps. The Mach-Z is the sled that SnowTrax needs to do a all out speed comparison. The Mach-Z is the lake racer not the XRS Renegade. I don't care if SnowTrax has to borrow a Mach-Z. Get it done SnowTrax.
We're the worst.
@@snowtrax never said you are the worst and that is a childish reply to not comparing Ski-Doo’s top dog and direct competitor to Arctic cats Thundercat.
I guarantee you the MachZ will be faster than the XRS Renegade. The Mach Z had the faster speeds in both box stock and dealer prep runs at Old Forge. The Mach Z is lowered and has a windshield. Please do not claim the Thundercat the fastest production sled until you race the Mach-Z head to head vs the Thundercat.
I appreciate your scolding. I needed that. I'm better now.
@@bobhirdes6725 what's the matter, you get a new Mach and now you're butthurt because nobody thinks it's great?
great job AJ. don’t let the haters ruin your day. do I agree with everything u guys say ? prob not all of it but ea one is entitled to his own opinion on a machine and thats what ur doing. voicing your thoughts. keep it up bud !
Pretty sad when older Thundercats and machZ's pre 2000 will chew these up on the lake. GPS speeds that reached 120MPH.
Not really. STV did a triple shootout. The Tcat and the XCR topped at 108mph.
@@oldwrench4213 108 isnt 120. Like the 1998 thundercat produced 24 years ago at the National Snowmobile Straight Runs stock.
More to do with how high the new sleds are vs sleek old ones. You need an incredible amount of hp to push air. Especially at 100mph. Also tracks are longer, so more inertia.
@@KTMsoldier1988 It was never verified. Just because someone says it, doesn't mean it does it.
@@oldwrench4213 well its listed on their site and you can find multiple forums with guys running radar guns and getting similar speeds.