TURBO SLED SHOOTOUT! Ski Doo Renegade Turbo R vs Arctic Cat Thundercat!!
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- Опубликовано: 28 янв 2022
- We know you've been dying for us to give you a shootout between the SRX and the Mach Z. Unfortunately we ran out of snow in the spring and couldn't complete a race and sadly we don't have them on the ground now BUT we do have a 2022 Ski-Doo Renegade Turbo R and a 2022 Arctic Cat Thundercat! Here's how it went down between these two turbo beasts...
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"I did have a 6 inch sub" I was laughing so hard I almost fell out of my chair! Great job boys! If I line up beside my buddies sled, it doesn't matter who's wearing what, or how much gas is in each sled, who ever loses hears about it for the rest of the day! You guys are definitely being fair in the comparison.
Thanks David!! 🤘👊💥
No studs, brand new, not surprised at all with these speeds. This brings me back to when they used to race the sleds head to head in tests... Miss those days. Lol
Man, still slow for that “supposed” hardware. Kinda limp. Pretty sure my CFR would mop em both. Wouldn’t be the first time.
Good job guys.
I kinda like the “dream a meter” makes me happy. 😃
Fun video! You may have burst a few top speed bubbles out there. 🤣🤣
Brand loyalty is the dumbest thing you can do with snowmobiles. They all have good sleds and bad sleds. I've had all of the brands. They are all very fun and sometimes in different ways.
I don't think it's "dumb" I mean the only reason it might be to you is because your technically knowledgeable enough to be able to decifer each sled individually, but another person without that knowledge can only go based upon there previous experiences with this or that brand... Even if they are semi confident in there knowledge, spending big money on a new sled , ya need that brand loyalty to give confidence to buyers and potential buyers.
100 percent right ✅️
Right on guys, thats a cool comparison video, keep em comin'!
Love these head to head shootouts!
Great test using the Dragy. Been using them for years and they are extremely accurate for mph and drag runs. So definitely fair use to collect data.
Cool video. You could tell you guys where having alot of fun.
Next review Tim's vs Subway for lunch 😆
Take care guys, keep up the good work. Let's all get out and enjoy the snow!!
Big power having big fun. Thanks for the entertainment this morning.
Great review guys well done. Great commentary
Thank you! Great job again!
thanks for taking the time and effort to test these sleds. Skidoo done amazing given the displacement deficiency.
Cheers! keep up the good work
Finally a video where polaris isn't god and let the real gods of the snowmobile industry flex real mussel lol kidding great video guys honest and fare keep up the good work.
Great work fellas.
Sounds about right. Couple passes in a hay field on my 2013 apex , GPS says 98. On a radar run hard packed trail the ol girl clocked 116. Not bad for the nat aspirated 4cyl. Gotta love the R1 motor
They are great when it’s cold. I ran a couple last year! Yammie should have gave them a good skid and suspension…
Looks like a great day at the office, cheers!
Very cool beginning to the video … well done AJ and Luke 👍 👍.
Glad you enjoyed it!
great comparison!
great honest video, thanks again guys.
Alright where do I send my resume? Lol I am seriously jealous! You guys rock! And have the best job in the world! Id be happy with either sled!
Love both of those sleds, can't go wrong with either one. Little surprised on the top speeds, not really impressive for the top dog machines.
Simply gearing, clutch and rpm.... top speed doesn't indicate a lot. How fast they get there does.
@@chrisu3039 Agreed, but then you get into the dilemma of quickest vs fastest.
My old 900cc Cat triple with just clutching runs consistently 113.6mph on GPS
Good job guys 🔥
Nice job boys !
Nice video. A head to head race woulda been fun to watch
Great video!
I'm happy with the results.
I ride a 900 ace turbo and use a speedo app on my phone and it too showed the speedo is way off.
I've been riding for 35 years and I have heard so much talk about how fast riders sleds are. Nice to finally have the truth out there.
You guys are the best show out there keep up good work!
Thanks Aaron!!
Arcticcat has always had the best looking sleds.
Excellent job guys. FWIW I think this has been your best season of TV ever. On another note am I the only one who thinks that when skidoo had 5 years to build a faster sled it's a bit pathetic that they didn't? This channel isn't the only one getting results where the 998 is faster.
Well the 998 is 99cc bigger! Don't forget that factor either!
@@edge7074 In that case they were stupid to build it with that small of a displacement. Clearly this engine was built to squarely compete against the 998.
Great video guys!
Thanks so much!
Great video guys!! Basically they’re both the same, other than the Skidoo looks, rides, and handles better!!!lol! The only thing that’s NOT FAIR; you’re out ripping on the lake, and I’m building kitchen cabinets!! Thanks again for the Excellent comparo!! Enjoy making Sno dust, while I’m making sawdust!!
That 900R sounds awesome on the deceleration.
Its like music. I want to record it and listen to it while I fall asleep. Lol
Excellent piece. About as objective as can be. Result as I expected. Good to hear they were both broke in too. Factory speedo’s….comical really. Some Doo speedo’s would show 118mph & that was the 800! Would have been nice to have an SRX in the mix. I hear the ‘22 has a speed edge on the ‘21. A bit of a subtle factory game going on there annually between the SRX & TCat for honours.
Brave of you guys to go that fast in those light conditions.
That speedo error is identical to my sled. 112 mph, 102-103 gps
you guys have identical voices its crazy.
Good fair shoot out. Track path definitely plays a huge factor. Imagine if you had a trail drag to smooth out a path the day prior? I bet both sleds would run solid 110-112 GPS on pack.
The path we were running was super hard by the time we were done. Other than some slush spots but they didnt factor into the top speeds I dont think.
@@pavmentsurfer13 it makes sense. The rated power out put sides in favor of the cat. This seems to confirm it. At least on the long lake run.
Just a quick question. Suspension wise who had the better feel? You hopefully had a bit of trail riding as well.Both great looking sleds on the lake . Like your videos keep them coming.
Great video guys. Remember haters will hate and cry babies will cry. I bet there will be or already are the "well my slid does this on GPS" or "No way this sled is only that much faster than that sled" the best one is the guys who are like "it's sponsored by so and so" because the brand they like isnt as or not much faster than other brands.
Pretty much!! Thanks for the kind words.
I like the real world comparison of the 2 I honestly thought the Cat (yamaha) would be faster by a bigger margin very interesting. Great video.
The TCat would continue to pick up more speed with more passes.
Four-strokes go faster and faster the more you run them two-strokes run the best the first couple runs
I think this is the first time I’ve seen someone use a dragy on a snowmobile it would be sweet to get it on some hard pack with studs and see what it’s 0 to 60 times are, maybe sub 4s?
Nice job as always guys. Still cant quite get myself into the 4 stroke camp yet. I'll take my 850 and you can have the lake battle. And BTW I think Mark would have kicked butt on both of you.
If you are trail riding and especially if you want to Mod your sled, 4 stroke all the way. Now me, I love my Turbo Alpha in the Mountains. Now don't get me wrong, I just bought my GF a 2022 Summit,850 Turbo, , 165,3in with the Expert package and she loves that sled.
Lol... he just may have. Hard to argue with a nice, light 850 2 stroke isnt it!
Thanks guys great video and it shut my buddy up who was claiming he got 135 out of his Ski Don't. Maybe if it was on a trailer being towed by a Viper.
Nice job. Pretty sure that a windshield is going to make a significant difference.
Did you guys notice any difference with high speed stability between the sleds?
I've got to 110 mph on my sidewinder 146 on the kobuk River, but it was -30, after it reached 105 it took a long time for it to reach 110, it was a long stretch on the river
have to believe the windshield makes a big difference. At those speeds air resistance is enormous
My Garmin Nuvi works awesome. With the Topomaps it's still the best gps.
Every year in New York State they have a shoot out test with dyno testing and grass drag runs. The two categories are out of the box and dealer prepped.
Here’s an excerpt from a recent test:
Not-So-Twin Turbos
The Turbo class included two sleds this year - an Arctic Cat ZR 9000 Thundercat and a Ski-Doo Renegade 900 ACE Turbo. They are marketed to different classes of riders and fall in different power categories, so this isn’t exactly a fair fight, but it’s interesting to see the numbers for their own merit.
Both had 137-inch tracks with 1.25-inch lugs. On the Dyno-Tech dyno, the lake-racer oriented Thundercat spun up an even 200 hp, while the trail cruiser Renegade 900 ACE Turbo logged 160 - putting it more in line with the 800-850 class.
Obviously the TCat came in with the highest speed. In 600 and 1000 feet.
As I said, traction is the issue.
Good review 👍 not taking side but if you where to put a similar windshield on the skidoo it might make a bit of difference on top end. It's to bad yous wasn't able to bring the mach and srx 👍
The speedo could be a little off because that’s measuring power being given but not all of that gets to the ground, spin and a few other small things could play roles. Just some thoughts on that stuff.
Are you guys going to be at the Midwest ride at ERX race park in elk river Minnesota?
Nothing gets your hair standing on your arms when you hear these sleds ripping by on camera, even more so in person!
Great test. A little surprised that they are not a lot faster. About 20 years ago, my 93 Thundercat with Hooper racing 1050 (mid 190's HP) trail engine did a radar checked 113 mph in less than ideal conditions on Rangley lake Maine. Max studded track. (240 ?) I think that many studs slowed it down quite a bit. Also M-10 skid slowed it down. Engine was always completely reliable. Still have it.
The zr 900 is a no joke sled still hard to beat and f7 certain years are bad to
Was the m10 a big difference for trails?
@@brucebanner2039 Yes. Night and day compared to the stock skid. Don't know how it compares to modern day skids bu6 it is a "falling rate" suspension.
That many studs and M-10 you lost 8 to9 mph ,the first year the M-10 was out the cat dealer by me put in 9 or 10 everyone loved them until they found out they lost the speed the next year they only put in 2
Thats what I thought too. Was still learning what worked at the time. Fact is the M10 was a comfort skid for trail riding and it was far better than the stock skid. So what your saying is that with say half the amount of studs and a stock skid the sled would be as fast or faster than the current "fast" sleds. Most of my riding was on long trail rides as is most riding. @@dickjohnson22dp
998 SRX!! mike drop!! All you need to know!!! As far as the Mach Z don't wast your time!!
I can't wait to see the Polaris boost!
I wouldn't expect anything less from snow trax when testing a Ski-Doo.
Whenever a Ski-Doo gets beat, they perfrom the test utill the Ski-Doo wins or can post a closer result.
And here I thought we were biased toward Polaris... Go figure!
99 problems........ but kissing Ski-Doo's ( | ) isn't one of them.
Gotta love the dreamometer 😏😂 be nice if they made them accurate not like the tech isn’t there to do so 🤷🏻♂️. Is the PIDD gauge gps based for speed? I heard it was.
Would a fresh belt make any difference? Worn belt on my srx always seemed to cost 3-5 mph
nice review but would bin awsome to see the srx, its set up directly for what ur doin there, 1 inch track, lower stance, geared , n yamaha clutched
Did the xrs feel much different than the Mach from when you drove it before?
Did you note the rpm at top speeds? I got 102 (gps) on my Renegade turbo R as well but it was at 7700, (8000 max). Since the primary on this sled doesn't come with clickers I say add clickers and retest.
The suspension is so good now you sacrifice a few miles on the top end. I just love my mach z and in stock form spinning to 8000 rpm it is the most satisfying sled i have ever rode. I knew they would be close in stock form and AC earned that spot but not by a lot.
What was the Steady max RPM you had on the XRS?
Wild considering I had a 99' zr 600 that did 105 on radar, granted it was on ice but still 22 years later still not much faster.
Had an 01 zr 600 that pulled 105mph consistently with a 270lb rider
Wow, very surprised by the results. Honestly much slower than I thought but still way faster than many would ever ride on the trails.
Remember, the speedo on these sleds are showing 108-110mph.
Also the conditions might not be good for top speed.
1998 Thundercats stock hit 120MPH
@@KTMsoldier1988 indicated top speed sure. That about 103-105 on a gps or radar
@@mikegirard2920 it holds the record for fastest stock sled at the NSSR.
I thought there would be a little more speed. But GPS don't lie!
Both very nice and fast machines. Too bad you didn’t have the new SRX on hand anyway, I wanted to ask you guys as to why you do not cool the turbo down after high-speed runs isn’t that hard on the turbo bearings I always let my turbo cool down for at least 20 to 30 seconds after a hot run, anyway guys keep up the good work,always like to watch your videos
Idk why i watched this, i am NOT a speed demon. Lol i like cornering, carving and jumps. I was on the trail a few days ago, feeling like im going a little fast, and i look down to see im going 50mph as i let off the throttle. A 600 is plenty for me and sometimes too much 🤣
What are your thoughts on arctic cats current position with textron. talking to our dealer the other day we agree they arent in touch with there customers very much currently. just seems like they are dragging the arctic cat name down
That’s the proper way to compare any machine straight out of the box. 3 mph would not deter me one way or the other. But the Doo is a much nicer looking machine. Great 👍 Comparison fellas. 👍👍👍
Nice to see the real numbers. Now let's see the 2 strokes. Polaris 850 vs the rest.
Polaris suck for speed, fuel and oil consumption
@@krisi.2011 the fuel and oil consumption yes. But speed, I think you are wrong, if stock they beat most skidoos and arctic cats.
Edit: and Yamaha isn't much of a competitor without a major 2 stroke sled.
My sons 850 Polaris beats my Ski Doo. So let's find out the real numbers.
@@stevencaughlin2900 new ,Astrid chassis and 850 is fast I just bought the xcr love it 175 hp fastest sled I’ve had . Beats my buddies thunder at up to 100 mph . Roll race he takes me but not by much . Xrs skidoo vs the xcr is close but I beat it by a walking speed always . Polaris pulls ha4d off the line xcr can’t be beat . Just studded mind now so should be a rocket ship.
Snowtrax what was the fuel level on both sleds wonder if that would make a difference 1 gallon gas is about 6lbs
Fair enough.
A little late but did you have the 900R in for the low rpm update with a new spring and ecu re-mapping?
Been waiting for this super cool!
Got a question to the inaccuracy of gauge speed vs real speed. If these gauges are fluff factoring speed this means all sleds out there have more mileage than actual mileage 🤔? I had a laugh one year with my viper as it would never tell me I was doing over 90km/h when in reality the skidoo’s I was running with were well into triple digits…always said it was a good resale tactic hah.
Think about mountain sleds spinning track all day long lol
Skidoos motto is "if you cant make it, fake it"
Actually the sled will have less miles than the odometer shows. By the sounds of it, about 5%.
A stock 1998 Thundercat produced speeds of 120MPH.
Nice! But which one is more reliable?
My old 07 apex gt did 109.3 mph with 2 different GPS's on a hard packed lake . Speedo was reading 126. Completely stock sled.. Different gearing I guess might help these 2 particular turbo sleds.
Fair & Honest, great job.
Too my buddies that claim your new turbo sled does a 120mph out of the box…Ha!
TURBO POLARIS
What lake are you guys on
Great video guys ,would have been great if Yamaha had dropped off the SRX for you.
Seems like any modern turbo sled isn't giving you your monies worth. Nice video and very honest. For the price of one, I think you're better off with a 650/850 non turbo sled.
I think you have to judge what you are looking for out of a sled with consideration to riding style. You'll get your money's worth if you are in the right situation.
@@hworkmaniv88 For the price these sleds are offered at, I think the performance isn't quite up to expectations. 200hp is a selling feature. But a 90hp with a 90mph top end says that the 8000 dollars difference isn't worth it. I would keep the 8 grand and be happy with 90mph.
@@oldwrench4213 Safety and Regulation man. The only thing they are doing is making your 0-100mph go by a lot faster. But four strokes are also better on fuel, emissions, and in the reliability department. You will probably see +20k miles out of a four stroke so sure the cost is up front but I’d love to see an 850 hit 20k without substantial maintenance.
@@oldwrench4213 top speed isn't everything. Throttle response and being able to pin it at any speed and instantly rush forward is amazing and worth every penny. You do not need to go over 100mph to enjoy every ounce of performance out of even a 200hp engine.
@@Freneticburn Agree. It is the perception of 200hp and the perceived illusion of big mph. As a rider for 50+ years, I prefer a lightweight, well handling sled with good corner to corner response. Hence why the ACE sleds seem a real value for the formentioned parameters.
My 850 Renegade E Tec is all I need
Which one felt more stable at that speed.
The little windshield on the Cat give an advantage on high speed cause the air dont hit the driver in chest , thats enough to slow you down by many mph , at those speed the air force is very high
The mach z trapped higher speeds in the original shootout on grass earlier this year an tbh trap speeds usually tell the proof although sonmany variable on snow. Just shows which has more potential. The rest is putting the power to the snow
Great video! I really love my Turbo R and surprised that they are this close even with the T-Cat having almost 100 more cc that the Doo. Wonder what side by side roll on drag race would look like instead of just a high speed run.
The Ski Doo is also about 35 pounds lighter which makes up for the lack in displacement.
The Dreamometer on my 2006 Yamaha Attack reads 129 MPH GPS says 116 MPH .. 35 F If I can recall so many years ago .. no snow on the Lake .. just wet ice..
I have out run super charged sleds on the trails too .. Hauk Performance Yamaha's cause they didn't know how to set their sleds up for cornering.. That can't out accelerate me because their tracks were spinning so much .. goes back to set up partly again
2 great sleds ! but ill take the cat anyday!
On a hard concrete-like packed groomed trail, I think they'd both be capable of hitting 110 mph.
108 is what i have hit at 7700 rpm i belive its limited with 200 rpm more
on a 900 turbo ski doo
117 mph on my bone stock winder. On radar runs.
And I’m 320 lbs
Does skidoo still make the 1200 4-stroke?
I think the Mach Z will be faster than a renegade XRS set up and would like to see it run against a Thundercat. The Renegade XRS is set up to handle the bumps. The Mach Z is suppose to be your lake racer. To bad they didn't have one available. A windshield absolutely makes a difference on top speed performance.
I totally agree,, the Thundercat is AC's top dog in turbo speed and should be run against the Mach Z turbo .. would totally like to see that match up .. Make it happen boyzz .. ;)
If that's called work, sign me up?
I’m kinda surprised… I’m not sure in a quarter mile but across a frozen lake I had an old RXL doing 107.6 verified with a Garmin GPS..
wish u had an srx also
@Michael Fortier
Greetings Michael,
I have not had the same experience as what you described. The TCats and Sidewinders both obviously have the same Yamaha 998 Turbo. These are the two sleds that Ive seen that absolutely require traction solutions, AKA studs. That’s if you really want to see what they’re capable of.
I have seen numerous dyno tests and the level of horsepower and torque produced by the 998 turbo was astonishing in stock form. Most of the 998’s were kicking out north of 210, with the highest I’ve seen at 214.
Chassis and suspension certainly plays a part, but you must have traction or you really won’t see a real difference. Many times I’ve seen the Sidewinder and TCat take out the very sleds you mentioned. That’s where both had the right traction set up.
As I’ve mentioned, if you participated in a drag race for money, would you challenge a machine with 30+ more horsepower than yours? Would you?
In the wend it’s about having fun. That’s for sure, but the debate continues.
One thing I noticed about my sidewinder is it doesn't seem to just top out. I was on a long seasonal road hard pack groomed trail and just kept on it I know the speedo is not true but that's all I had to go on and it kept climbing over long distance it doesn't climb fast at the end but does keep going when I first started thought it was topped out at 112mph on the gage but I just kept in it and crouched like I was on a sport bike and it climbed all the way up to 125mph on the speedo before I had to slow for a curve. Just curious what your GPS would say if you had such a long straight to just keep going
Also mine is stock no studs
My 06 Apex in 1/3 mile 125.8 on the gun dreameter144