@@ReturnofBojangles-zt4vo guy was talking about video length being 4:20 because 420 is a funny haha number, not his performance, miles aged out with the blue devils in like 2018.
Not sure if anyone is going to get around to reading this, but for what it's worth... The cut out rims are intended more as a learning tool than a practical "scrape crutch". When you play scrapes you naturally rebound off the head enough to get over the rim. You hit the rim when you come down on it vertically, and there is still metal where the cut outs are. Therefore, it is still very possible to hit rim. People keep dissing the user for either hitting rim even when "there are none", or they diss the user for not hitting rim because "there are none". I'm sure many people are hating for the sake of hating, but it's simply not true. Take it from the guy who has used these drums more than anyone in the world. They're not perfect, but give it a break please. Miles is the best quad player I have ever marched with. When you hear him play scrapes and not hit rim, it's because his accuracy is way better than any Call of Duty MLG (not sure if that's saying much). Trust me, if I played my I&E on these drums, I'd still start as many fires as I did on the Pearls
The way i see it, i feel like if it was used as a learning tool then why should it be used by a top tier drum corp that knows what they're doing. Just something to think about. Also might I ask, what corps did you march and what did you play? Not trying to jab at you or anything, just curious.
Mark, I should have also included that despite what I said, there are slight benefits to using it. For the music that we play at the Blue Devils, we do benefit slightly from using the cut outs due to the nature of how we play and the music we perform. At some point, we may miss the rim due to the cut out because we play low scrapes and play with a lot of motion. But those moments are seldom. If those moments were more frequent we would definitely hit less rim but as the videos show, we definitely catch metal here and there. Like I said previously, the nature of playing scrapes and scrape-like arounds still make it very possible to hit rim despite the cut outs. So yes we use them because we do benefit from them to a small extent. But we are also still learning, and using the cut outs as a learning tool is not above us by any means. We are far from perfect outselves. I see your point though thank you for that.
And to answer your other questions I play quads. I marched with the Blue Knights 12-13, Blue Devils 15-17. Thanks for not being aggresive with your comment :)
RebuffedAsh I still don't understand how miles lost last year. No disrespect to the winner last year but in my opinion miles just blew him out of the water.
Okay all you guys throwin shade, I wanna see you guys play this shit. Regardless with rims or no rims he's still playing really really difficult material. He's expressing himself through an art form that 99% of earth's population doesn't even know about. No matter what, he has real courage to even go up there and play just one note. All you guys just talkin shit just run your mouth. How about you fuckin play what he's playing and actually have the chops to join a world class drum corps then maybe you can say something. But you dont see anyone in this thread from BD Coats SVC etc. talkin shit. You know why? Because they understand how difficult it is to be in drum corps alone and then to add an I&E solo you have to write and learn while you're on tour, I don't even know what that's like. I most you don't even know what it's like to do this. So what if he hits rims. EVERY I&E someone hits rim atleast a couple times. Get the fuck over it. How about instead of talking shit, go fuckin practice and be like them if you think it's so fuckin easy. Cuz when you aren't allowed to march anymore it's going to fucking suck. You're gonna miss it so bad that all you can do is watch videos and just remember the feeling you get when you're with a line.
One thing I have noticed on the cut rims is the presence of more overtones and sounding more "live" to my ears. I like the open sound from these drums.
Hell of a solo Miles I loved it. Glad you got first and no matter with rims or not I think it was a great solo. Seriously both of his BD solos videos are full of hate comments about "Oh shit that's so easy cuz there's no rims" and "that's cheating" but I read @Ghost 17's comment a little further down and I can agree with him. If it's so easy to play with out rims stop giving shit and go make a solo yourself, and at least try to under stand how difficult DCI can be
Diego Aviles 1243 i think it’s cheating but that doesn’t mean it’s easy. Scrapes, and certain cross overs are pretty hard, and even without the rims, can sound really bad if you don’t have proper technique. The reason I say it’s cheating however is that it’s a pretty unfair advantage; I don’t see any other drum corps without rims, and I’d say either all of them have to have no rims, or none of them have to have no rims.
@@0Aquamelon This is two years late, but as someone who marched DCI (admittedly on the hornline, but I was very close with the tenor players), I HAVE seen some corps that I interacted with who had cut out rims. Plus, as you yourself state, it's very possible to hit rim. I am a halfway decent snare player, as I have taken lessons. I decided to play on a Vic Firth quad pad one one of the members brought, and as soon as I tried to do scrapes it went awful. That's with ZERO rim. Like Scojo said in the video from 2016, the cutouts are there to show where to cross over, and again, if you would have hit rim on a set of tenors with no cutouts, you will on the System Blue drums.
EmperorOfGaming yeah, two years later, I don’t necessarily think it’s “cheating” but I myself wouldn’t enjoy playing on system blues. But yea, after marching DCI in pit, I think talking about this sorta thing is trivial, and I wish ppl would stop talking about rims or no rims and just enjoy music.
Aquamelon! To be honest, I’m glad to see your opinion has changed haha. Thanks for voicing your opinion respectfully all those years ago. Where did you march, and what specific instrument? #MarchOn
Everyone should stop giving him crap. This dude was on the winning corps quad line. So he knows his shit. These are the drums BD gave him, not like he had a choice. Yes he didn’t have rims but he was doing so much that he was bound to hit the edge of whatever. He did an awesome job
Rims are honestly something you run into on every type of marching drum. You hit them on accident, it’s a thing. I just want every person who has gotten on Miles back about rim hitting to play the solo perfectly, and never hit the rim.
Everyone is talking about the rims, yet I haven't seen anyone at anything about how his drum closet to his knees than his waist😂 he has to bend over to play😂. I'm not sure if he just 7' tall or this is the new way to play but that's not how I was raised🤷♂️
I see lots of roasting on how he shouldn’t have gotten first with all those rim ticks and stuff but the way I see it is that he’s definitely a great player. He’s brought something new and refreshing to the I&e table. A good display of chops while still being really interesting, interesting and groovy. I like it but that doesnt mean other people can’t. I get why people prefer the more classic chop outs of scv style players and stuff where it’s more about perfection. I think this solo is less about perfection and more about bringing a new difficulty to i&e that is theoretically possible. I like it
Jjynja the difficulty/demand of the solo is really high and I agree with what you say. However, these solos should be heavily based on execution as opposed to trying to play 90000 beats in under 5 min. Idk Maybe I’m being harsh but I don’t think this shoulda taken 1st .: too many mistakes that take away from the solo itself
@@alexramirez2998 I think judging something like this will always be just a bit subjective. I see what you mean but I feel as though the judges sometimes have to make a decision between execution and demonstration of skill. To me, the fact that this solo pushed boundaries in solo tenor playing makes up for the few points of missed execution. He didn't get a perfect score he just happened to score better than anyone who competed. Thats what I think. I also just enjoy this solo and what it made me believe is possible on tenor drum. This and SCV solos are so coool in different ways and I love it
Jjynja I watched the other two runner up videos and I take back what I said; he did beat the other two tenor i&e’s lol .. some years are just better than others I guess .. that’s what I revert my comment to. And yes absolutely agree with the SCV stuff 🔥
@@alexramirez2998 I gotta say I respect your openness to my view because alot of comments on blue devils videos are just ripping on them for one reason or another. I like the Blue Devils but I also Like SCV it's not like I have to only like one or the other ya feel? Its just art in the end
All y'all hating on the rims but it's more of a trademark to be different. They don't even have cutouts anymore and they showed y'all up by playing just the same good so go away head asses😂
hey to anybody that has seen an I and E tenor solo in person, are the tenors loud in that big room? I'm just curios because I haven't seen a drumline up close in a while
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*watches solo*
"Nice"
*looks at length of video*
"Perfection"
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886, Am I missing something?
@@TDDrummer2 I would assume that a comment from a year ago regarding the first comment's amount of likes no longer applies... lol
Great yes perfection no. There are plenty of mistakes he is still a kid has a lot of growth left to do - and probably has.
@@ReturnofBojangles-zt4vo guy was talking about video length being 4:20 because 420 is a funny haha number, not his performance, miles aged out with the blue devils in like 2018.
@@Inversiondude lol my bad
"Do not fear mistakes, there are none."
~ A Miles quote
Not sure if anyone is going to get around to reading this, but for what it's worth... The cut out rims are intended more as a learning tool than a practical "scrape crutch". When you play scrapes you naturally rebound off the head enough to get over the rim. You hit the rim when you come down on it vertically, and there is still metal where the cut outs are. Therefore, it is still very possible to hit rim. People keep dissing the user for either hitting rim even when "there are none", or they diss the user for not hitting rim because "there are none". I'm sure many people are hating for the sake of hating, but it's simply not true. Take it from the guy who has used these drums more than anyone in the world. They're not perfect, but give it a break please. Miles is the best quad player I have ever marched with. When you hear him play scrapes and not hit rim, it's because his accuracy is way better than any Call of Duty MLG (not sure if that's saying much). Trust me, if I played my I&E on these drums, I'd still start as many fires as I did on the Pearls
The way i see it, i feel like if it was used as a learning tool then why should it be used by a top tier drum corp that knows what they're doing. Just something to think about.
Also might I ask, what corps did you march and what did you play? Not trying to jab at you or anything, just curious.
Mark, I should have also included that despite what I said, there are slight benefits to using it. For the music that we play at the Blue Devils, we do benefit slightly from using the cut outs due to the nature of how we play and the music we perform. At some point, we may miss the rim due to the cut out because we play low scrapes and play with a lot of motion. But those moments are seldom. If those moments were more frequent we would definitely hit less rim but as the videos show, we definitely catch metal here and there. Like I said previously, the nature of playing scrapes and scrape-like arounds still make it very possible to hit rim despite the cut outs. So yes we use them because we do benefit from them to a small extent. But we are also still learning, and using the cut outs as a learning tool is not above us by any means. We are far from perfect outselves. I see your point though thank you for that.
And to answer your other questions I play quads. I marched with the Blue Knights 12-13, Blue Devils 15-17. Thanks for not being aggresive with your comment :)
Steven Takeda awesome. Thanks for taking the time to reply.
Aquamelon! U have some good points, but it's not really the decision of the people in the drumline for what drums they use.
His chops are... MILES ABOVE THE HIGH GROUND
You underestimate my power
I can confirm that they are at least 10 miles high
Hold up. Did you just make not only one pun, but another pun inside of the first??? It’s pun-caption everybody
Ha I get it, because his last name is Kenobbie!
YES! A CULTURED HUMAN
3:44 - 3:52 is the only part of this solo I can play.
Others : Avengers Infinity War is the greatest crossover event in history!
Me (an intellectual) : 3:40
@Simon Walrod boi pay attention to the video
Wait I don-OHHHHHHHHHHHHH
@Simon Walrod *scrapes with crossovers
4:00 hits every drum at least 7 times per second
General Kenobbie... you are a bold one!
Lmao 🤣 🤣
4:14 the most important note of the whole solo, imagine if he didn’t nail this rimshot right here
I’m so disappointed!
He didn’t end the same way he did in his RCC homework! It’s his signature move!
Aquamelon! That would have been literally the best thing known to man
That would have made this the best I&E known to man
*An arbitrary comment about rims*
I love you
Miles Keaton gay
Caelan oh yes
Glad to see Miles in 1st this year !
Kuntt 69 last year's champion went to Crown soooo... nah just pulling ur leg dude lol
LUL
RebuffedAsh I still don't understand how miles lost last year. No disrespect to the winner last year but in my opinion miles just blew him out of the water.
Clorox Bleach U SAID IT!!!
Miles got 3 gold medals for his age out ( dci champion, i&e, and rcc )
I hear everyone talking about how he always hit the rims but I don’t think any of you could play that solo 🤔
Most of the times it's his sticks not even his rims like these people stupid
I literally said to myself "he's hitting a few rims but whatever" and then realized i'm NOWHERE close to being as good as him 😭😭
Christ compel his beats!
Some of those “rim clicks” were actually his sticks and that happens to snare players too
Favorite tenor player right here
Love the tuning, sound quality, the acoustics of the room, and video quality. AND his solo is 🔥
Okay all you guys throwin shade, I wanna see you guys play this shit. Regardless with rims or no rims he's still playing really really difficult material. He's expressing himself through an art form that 99% of earth's population doesn't even know about. No matter what, he has real courage to even go up there and play just one note. All you guys just talkin shit just run your mouth. How about you fuckin play what he's playing and actually have the chops to join a world class drum corps then maybe you can say something. But you dont see anyone in this thread from BD Coats SVC etc. talkin shit. You know why? Because they understand how difficult it is to be in drum corps alone and then to add an I&E solo you have to write and learn while you're on tour, I don't even know what that's like. I most you don't even know what it's like to do this. So what if he hits rims. EVERY I&E someone hits rim atleast a couple times. Get the fuck over it. How about instead of talking shit, go fuckin practice and be like them if you think it's so fuckin easy. Cuz when you aren't allowed to march anymore it's going to fucking suck. You're gonna miss it so bad that all you can do is watch videos and just remember the feeling you get when you're with a line.
Ghost 17 mercezir
Ghost 17 cool
Ghost 17 preach!
lmao define "play it"
Ghost 17 the only time where I really said anything like that was i&e from last year where this guy got totally robbed of 1st place
2:50 I love this beat he brings in.
The solo was so dank the video is 4:20 😂😂
Damn that took me too long to realize 😂
He appears to be really gifted, amazing solo.
Holy molly, that was sick!
Watching this at 2x is the only way to watch
One thing I have noticed on the cut rims is the presence of more overtones and sounding more "live" to my ears. I like the open sound from these drums.
Awesome solo man! I dig it. Much improved from last year
Hell of a solo Miles I loved it. Glad you got first and no matter with rims or not I think it was a great solo. Seriously both of his BD solos videos are full of hate comments about "Oh shit that's so easy cuz there's no rims" and "that's cheating" but I read @Ghost 17's comment a little further down and I can agree with him. If it's so easy to play with out rims stop giving shit and go make a solo yourself, and at least try to under stand how difficult DCI can be
Diego Aviles 1243 i think it’s cheating but that doesn’t mean it’s easy. Scrapes, and certain cross overs are pretty hard, and even without the rims, can sound really bad if you don’t have proper technique. The reason I say it’s cheating however is that it’s a pretty unfair advantage; I don’t see any other drum corps without rims, and I’d say either all of them have to have no rims, or none of them have to have no rims.
It isnt cheating. There is no rule agenst cut out rims
@@0Aquamelon This is two years late, but as someone who marched DCI (admittedly on the hornline, but I was very close with the tenor players), I HAVE seen some corps that I interacted with who had cut out rims. Plus, as you yourself state, it's very possible to hit rim. I am a halfway decent snare player, as I have taken lessons. I decided to play on a Vic Firth quad pad one one of the members brought, and as soon as I tried to do scrapes it went awful. That's with ZERO rim. Like Scojo said in the video from 2016, the cutouts are there to show where to cross over, and again, if you would have hit rim on a set of tenors with no cutouts, you will on the System Blue drums.
EmperorOfGaming yeah, two years later, I don’t necessarily think it’s “cheating” but I myself wouldn’t enjoy playing on system blues. But yea, after marching DCI in pit, I think talking about this sorta thing is trivial, and I wish ppl would stop talking about rims or no rims and just enjoy music.
Aquamelon! To be honest, I’m glad to see your opinion has changed haha. Thanks for voicing your opinion respectfully all those years ago. Where did you march, and what specific instrument? #MarchOn
This is just insane
The Miles council graciously accepts you as our new leader.
Whoa....when did quads start getting rim cutouts!? Man, the new generation gets all the coolest stuff.
Everyone should stop giving him crap. This dude was on the winning corps quad line. So he knows his shit. These are the drums BD gave him, not like he had a choice. Yes he didn’t have rims but he was doing so much that he was bound to hit the edge of whatever. He did an awesome job
I think kenobbie here used the force to place so well. Unreal
This man is a legend. Imagine if he marched vanguard.
RADZADproductions 🥁🏆🥁
He would be just as good
This is such a funny comment lol
AMAZING!!!!
Great Playing! Awesome technique.
crazy year for tenor i&e considering the person who got second was jake murillo a high schooler marching la stars
Who could hate the beginning of this? 2:10
Was hoping for chewbacca drop 2.0
Sebastian Gutierrez LMAO
His playing is very melodic.
everyone is talking about rims when you should be talking about he did amazing w/o
HOLY CRAP YOURE AMAZING DUDE
Jesus that was good
amazing!! thanks for this!
He is a god
That groove 1:30 in
Rims are honestly something you run into on every type of marching drum. You hit them on accident, it’s a thing. I just want every person who has gotten on Miles back about rim hitting to play the solo perfectly, and never hit the rim.
If I could get lessons from u everything would be perfect at school 😂
Damn that groove at 2:40
dont know why but it sound like my highschool's cadence for some reason just with a bunch cut out
Damn poor drum 4
4:13
Everyone is talking about the rims, yet I haven't seen anyone at anything about how his drum closet to his knees than his waist😂 he has to bend over to play😂. I'm not sure if he just 7' tall or this is the new way to play but that's not how I was raised🤷♂️
Mo lower tenors is better for hard rounds and moving around alot
Raised huh? So ur 9th grade year band raised you?
Dangerous parts there! that is flamalicious,
I see lots of roasting on how he shouldn’t have gotten first with all those rim ticks and stuff but the way I see it is that he’s definitely a great player. He’s brought something new and refreshing to the I&e table. A good display of chops while still being really interesting, interesting and groovy. I like it but that doesnt mean other people can’t. I get why people prefer the more classic chop outs of scv style players and stuff where it’s more about perfection. I think this solo is less about perfection and more about bringing a new difficulty to i&e that is theoretically possible. I like it
Jjynja the difficulty/demand
of the solo is really high and I agree with what you say. However, these solos should be heavily based on execution as opposed to trying to play 90000 beats in under 5 min. Idk Maybe I’m being harsh but I don’t think this shoulda taken 1st .: too many mistakes that take away from the solo itself
@@alexramirez2998 I think judging something like this will always be just a bit subjective. I see what you mean but I feel as though the judges sometimes have to make a decision between execution and demonstration of skill. To me, the fact that this solo pushed boundaries in solo tenor playing makes up for the few points of missed execution. He didn't get a perfect score he just happened to score better than anyone who competed. Thats what I think. I also just enjoy this solo and what it made me believe is possible on tenor drum. This and SCV solos are so coool in different ways and I love it
Jjynja I watched the other two runner up videos and I take back what I said; he did beat the other two tenor i&e’s lol .. some years are just better than others I guess .. that’s what I revert my comment to. And yes absolutely agree with the SCV stuff 🔥
@@alexramirez2998 I gotta say I respect your openness to my view because alot of comments on blue devils videos are just ripping on them for one reason or another. I like the Blue Devils but I also Like SCV it's not like I have to only like one or the other ya feel? Its just art in the end
If you want to join our band, we welcome you
He signed my sticks once!!!
hmmm... yes.. quite..
MY EYES
yall complain about the rims like he had a choice in the matter. The corps made his tenors like that.
Fucking loves how he does that last hit ending at 4:20
juicy juice
Presenting the krabby patty!
MY EYES
I remember of cris in 2012
Well... I am just not that good with my set of tenors.. Haha.. Hell of a job man, tasty licks!
Well... I suck at tenors now haha.. One hell of a job man.. I think i am sweating..
How are you humanly possible
Wow he should join dci
God damn bd has always had the hottest drummers...
Can you name your first child Ben? Because of your last name
killer. period.
I’m not sure if he messed up at 2:25 but it still sounded awesome
yeah he did
Wow!
4:20 i like it no wonder he won
The 41 dislikes are people who hate the rim ticks
Him: Plays the impossible to near perfection.
Me: Makes 41 mistakes watching.
Kids throwing some notes, dudes. Good hands, my dude
Miles kennobie. Is there sheet music for this?
Miles Kennobie I would love to learn it!
Pls tell me there is
How does he still have arms? I was expecting them fall of at any moment
what's the sticking for the right hand on sprock 1:26
Is there anywhere I can buy this music?
It was most likely not written out
People always talk about hitting rim on Tenor players. I play Snare and Set and hardly ever hear it
Unless I pay close attention..
2:44 that's the rhythm for a cadence I play on quads in my school hah
All y'all hating on the rims but it's more of a trademark to be different. They don't even have cutouts anymore and they showed y'all up by playing just the same good so go away head asses😂
Funky
People be bitching about him hitting rims with the cut outs, but can’t even do a snippet of his solo
Chris Drummer Versus Miles Kenobbie
I thought his solo sounded a lot like Chris'.
buT WheRe arE tHE riMs ?
Crunchy Oreo exactly
Up my ass to the right.
Daniel Davis left*
How dat?
3:41 Those shots hit me in the head.
God
hey to anybody that has seen an I and E tenor solo in person, are the tenors loud in that big room? I'm just curios because I haven't seen a drumline up close in a while
Hello there
Were those double stroke scrapes from 3:48 on all over the place?
Me: flushes toilet
Toilet: 2:18
👏🏾
Damn
Who play tenors like me?
me
3:58 boy I wish I could do that
Practice makes perfect
Sheets?
general kenobi
2:11 love it
Anyone know if I can get a hold of sheet music for this or is there none?
I don’t think there is any
this is how many scrapes he did
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I wonder if anyone calls him obi wan?