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New Ryzen CPUs Make this Laptop SO GOOD - Zenbook S 16
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- Опубликовано: 2 июн 2024
- The AMD Ryzen Ai 300 series have allowed ASUS to go ultra slim and ultra light for their new Zenbook S 16 while also offering new levels of performance. This is done through an efficient vapor chamber cooler and ultra quiet fans despite offer high performance 28W HX series Zen 5 CPUs.
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Quality of life as long as you don’t need ASUS scammy warranty. 😢
We've had quite a few RMA's here in Canada with Asus for various products over the years without a single issue and very quick turn around. There's a lot of regional differences so it's a mistake to assume it's a one size fits all problem
If you have the know how and the tools to repair your own stuff. It's a viable option, otherwise. NOPE.
@@HardwareCanucks I seems like a lot of people in many regions are experiencing RMA/Warranty issues. It might be that ASUS knew it was you guys asking for an RMA, and not an average customer. Also, because it hasn't happened in Canada it doesn't mean it'll never happen. Company culture can spread very easily specially when boss' and upper management want more margin
@@HardwareCanucks when can we expect thes16 to come out?
@@NeptuneSegaMy friend's cheap vivobook got a few dead pixels on his screen and got easy and quick screen replacement. But we do live on the other side of the world.
I would appreciate metric measurements and gramm/kg weights when you put the text on the video as well, for us non-US people
From a channel called Hardware CANUCKS i would not only appreciate metric, I would demand it. This is not Jayz Two Cents, after all. 😁
I love your videos, your editing is amazing and just the info as text in the video would make such a difference :/
I agree. I had to bring Calculator to do conversion 🤦🏻♂
3 big macs
American ego make them think that everyone have to use their archaic systems. It's ridiculous that a channel with almost 2million subs don't add both system..
I'm not going to touch anything made by ASUS ever again.
Bought a Framework Laptop a while ago, just as a recommendation.
You know, if you wanna deal with a company that actually gives a shit about their customers.
Every startup company "cares" about their customers. They all throw on the pro-consumer facade and talk about how they're different until they get big enough to where they can also stop giving a crap about you. Enjoy your framework until then.
@@thelarry383 facts
@@thelarry383That's partially true, but something about Framework tells me they couldn't exist without that consumer trust. If they lost it, they would die.
@@thelarry383 their whole business model is based on self repairability. So unless they want the company to change and drown immediately I'll enjoy it till then.
@@reubenpx1809 Their products are bulky, ugly and expensive. You're better off buying similar specs from an OEM for less and then budgeting the rest towards a replacement
They're selling an idea rather than a product
Bring back RAM upgrades.. RAM upgrades improved my laptops' performance
Just buy what you need. There are no modular LPDDR5X RAM modules sold in any store anywhere in the world, so it is not possible to upgrade the superfast 5X (8500mHz in some modules). Why would you want slower RAM (DDR5 around 5500mHz)? OEMs have already confirmed you will not be getting faster RAM sticks as laptops move to LPCAMM2 next year.
@@andyH_Englandupgradable hardware is much better. You don’t know what you will need later on so it’s always good to have that option
@@GamingWimpGW360 but he's stating that the camm2 and lpcamm2 will succeed the upgradable soddim.
@@andyH_England didn't Dell invent a new upgradable ram standard that allows it to be just as fast and compact as soldered ram like a year ago? but even they aren't using it in their newest XPS, I guess the cash from those ram upgrades and the planned obsolescence is too juicy for these companies.
SO-DIMM are out. CAMM2 are now standard on laptops & desktops. Get use to it.
“Pretty good for an AMD laptop.” This might be sponsored by Asus, but clearly not by AMD.
It's not wrong, I mean, the best laptop designs are still using Intel chips, even when the ryzen 4000 launched with uncontested performance and efficiency, the top laptops where still using 10k and 11k intel chips.
Today AMD is in a better position in the market with Ryzen been a good brand, yet Dell still not launching a XPS with ryzen.
@@mawkzin if im not wrong they have an agreement/contract with intel for xps brand like design etc.
@@mawkzin It's not only Dell. The Thinkpads with AMD always had some disadvantage that in some cases didn't make any sense. For a wile, you could only get the best displays with Intel, and this year they are selling the P14s with a smaller battery than the Intel variant for unknown reasons. This way, they can sell the Intel variants for higher prices, creating the impression, that Intel APUs are superior.. which they are not and have not been for over 2 years (at least in Thinkpads). It's crazy, that last year AMD, at the peak of their technological superiority, actually lost market share to Intel. This can only be explained by Intel's excellent but maybe unfair or illegal marketing. This video also seems to promote the idea that AMD laptops are inferior. And even if there is some truth to it, doing so makes the situation worse for us who pay expecting to get the better product for more money. If this is not the case, then in future we will pay even more for marketing without knowing.
@@chaostropy I'm pretty sure, it's not only the brand, but technical specifications or even design.
@@mawkzin The best laptops use Apple Silicon.
Love the channel but man, hope ASUS paid a lot for this...
No ram upgradeable equals no deal
Intel and Qualcomm won't have upgradeable memory either, so you won't have any options left.
@@1idd0kun time to buy outdated laptops with user replaceable ram screw windows and any other company that wont allow ram upgrades. Let their stock crash until they listen to end user. I think enough consumers are fed up with corporations and will not allow this policy you will own nothing and be happy. Buy disabling repair it makes it where you own nothing. Buy a framework laptop.
@@xaratemplateNo one is supporting SO-DIMM anymore. Everyone has switched to CAMM2.
Honestly if they make 24/32GB's the minimum then I don't see it as too big of a deal breaker. I would like to see CAM RAM modules used more tho
tbh I would have loved to see a 64gb ram model since one can quickly eat up the ram with heavier workloads
Non upgradable memories on laptops should be illegal
The new Intel laptops don't have upgradable memory either, so this is how laptops in general are gonna be now.
@@1idd0kun and that's why it should be made illegal
I can't upgrade the memory in my smartphone, ebook reader, or Raspberry Pi. Should that be illegal too?
@@wereoctopusThat's different. That's not a general computing device that clearly could fit CAMM2.
Honestly, I'm just going to stick with my Framework Laptop 16 until the end of time if this continues. No need for any other brand.
@@v0ldy54Lol, cry about it, just don't buy it.
Yeah I wouldnt buy from Asus for now no matter how good their products might be
Interesting, how come?
Horrendous warranty @@Ares4
Have you tried getting a warranty replacement from other vendors? ASUS is no different, though our experience in Canada has been a lot more positive than other regions. We've had major issues with other manufacturers though.
@@HardwareCanucks You will get the bag either way
@@HardwareCanucks bro no shit but why are you glazing asus.
I hope we'll see some Frore Airjet Mini/Pro coolers in a Ryzen laptop this year! Thin and performant!
This and LPCAMM2
@@deneguil-1618 amen!
Why is every big laptop OEM taking the dedicated Home/PgUp/PgDown/End column on the right side away this year? The HP Probook 14 inch line had the column, and this year they removed it too. This laptop is 16 inch, there is plenty of space for that, yet they didn't include. As a programmer I definitely will not buy these laptops solely because I use home and end a lot and I don't want to use Fn + Left for Home.
Yeah, I hate that keyboard layout too. It is way too annoying whenever you are coding
My favorite laptop ever my value packed 2020 Acer Swift 14. Full aluminum chassis, good enough number of ports, IPS display with good enough srgb rating for creative work, 1 sodimm slot which I populated with 16GB ddr4 ram, total of 24GB memory. Upgradable Wifi card and M.2 NVME storage. Good enough for Dota full 1080p, low, good enough for Photoshop, some Premiere, some light After Effects.
Asus and the rest of the industry must be joking when they've thought soldered RAM is good enough for 2024. Imagine sending in your laptop for RMA just because the RAM got borked. This is something we shouldn't be copying from Apple and we should be staying from. Also I don't want to overpay system builders for RAM that you can install yourself if given the choice.
no memory module upgradeability , no sale
LPDDR5 needs to be soldered in unfortunately
@@yonkocommander5531 not with LPCAMM2, so Asus either did this intentionally or only later products will have it.
afaik LPDDR5's upgradability is its only downside against DDR5...
@@lycanthosswhat if this board was designed well before lpcamm2 came out?
@@malathomas6141 well that's what I said, Asus either doesn't want to support LPCAMM2 or they designed this way earlier so only future laptops will support it.
Can't wait to see how the battery compares to the MacBook air 15
Probably about the same, bigger battery but the CPU uses slightly more power
@@deneguil-1618 hopefully 👍 but windows could decide to be windows and stuff it up
Would be great to see size and weight numbers in human readable format.
I thought their problem is just rog ally, I have x13 flow 2022, and last year the battery kinda leaking causing it to bubble up and the warranty pretty much replace the battery for free, and the whole thing pretty pain free except the staff just take hour to process and confirm before accepting it, wish they just take the damn thing so I don't need to take half day off
Yeah. The RMA issues seem to be highly regional / situational dependent. We haven't had any RMA issues but others have. So it becomes a real toss-up.
@@HardwareCanucks Did asus know it was you guys fulfilling the warranty??
Sorry but Asus as a company is simply toxic regardless of products I wouldn't touch them with a barge poll.
Doesn't matter how good the design is if the company's reputation for customer support is as bad as Asus has earned. It's been deplorable for years. No company's products are perfect, so sooner or later customers are going to have to deal with support. I'd been a loyal customer, but the first time I needed support it was made clear how little they cared about standing behind their products or keeping a loyal customer.
Can’t trust Asus as a company now. Besides that, soldered RAM is so 2017. CAMM2 or GTFO.
2:58 "AMD Strix Point CPUs officially don't support SODIMM slots" Huge bummer. Was hoping AMD would be the outlier as we knew Intel and QC went with soldered on memory before launch. Now AMD is following the rest of the pack in what seemingly means now ALL NEXT GEN laptops are all non-upgradable with RAM. Hoping this entirely isn't true tho.
That said, I'm sure we'll see upgradable ram with like we did with Intel and AMD packaging their desktop parts onto laptops.
EDIT: Forgot about LPDDR5 bandwidth. There's no consumer DDR5 SODIMM that can match it, and with AI and iGPU perf, you NEED bandwidth.
EDIT EDIT: As per AMDs website it does support DDR5.
CAMM
@@ianthomas1955 True, but not commercially available yet. LPCAMM is probably more attractive for these thin and light anyways. That said, maybe soon, as Dell has already released early CAMM
@@NootNoot. the first camm (Dell CAMM) is slightly different from camm2.
@@NootNoot.Micron has LPCAMM2 modules, one of Lenovo's Thinkpad models uses them.
I assume that CAMM2 production is ramping up, and in a year or two it'll be more widely available.
My question i: they don't support sodimm (ddr5) because they only support lpddr5 modules? If true they can make lpcamm2 models?
They can. They just want to wring dry unsuspecting consumers.
man, these pre/semi reviews looks so sponsored...
It’s says that it was sponsored
You have to understand that Windows OEMs with help from MS and Intel/AMD/Qualcomm are spending billions on advertising/marketing to try and let people know that after 3.5 years they are finally catching up wiith Apple Silicon.
no memory upgradeability is a big downside
Yes but all laptops are gonna be like that from now on because the new Intel and Qualcomm-based laptops don't have upgradeable memory either.
@@1idd0kun All would really surprise me.
it comes with a minimum of 24GB of memory on the 10 core version for $1300. The 12 core SKU's all have 32GB, I never knew anyone to put 64Gb in a laptop so....lol. RAM is moving to onboard and it will actually improve latency and performance. PC makers are NOT Apple, trying to justify 8Gb in 20244.
@@JoeL-xk6boThat would be me. I need 32 - 64 GB for VMs. 16 GB causes VM crashes. 32 GB is the bare minimum.
will the new amd notebook support these new camm modules then?
No.
At the moment LPCAMM2 is at least twice as expensive as soldered RAM so there is no way OEMs will use them in ultrabooks as they are very price sensitive. We will initially see LPCAMM2 in pro and gaming laptops with higher prices. Maybe next year prices will fall but I doubt we will see CAMM2 in ultrabooks before 2027/8, if at all.
@@andyH_EnglandSo it’s cheaper and yet, they charge almost the same for soldered RAM upgrades than you’d pay for LPCAMM2. Greedy bastards… this is why I bought a Framework.
@@GRBtutorials Charging extra for RAM than they paid is a business model, not a rip-off. It is colloquially called upselling. It equates to having cheaper base models, which are subsidized to sell more, and Apple recovers this subsidy by charging extra for RAM/SSD upgrades of the more expensive models. Apple rightly assumes most people buying $2000+ machines can afford to pay more than those who can just about buy the base models.
As for Framework, they are more expensive than Apple for the base model and are beaten in every metric.
@@andyH_EnglandHahahaha, nice joke. I have a Framework and not having to deal with Windows 11 or modern macOS plus the repairability are worth everything to me for a laptop.
Not to mention, are you actually trying to defend OEMs scamming consumers!?
Adm call? Why is it then possible to customize it with a Framework?
16" without a good solid numbering keys at the right side.
Huge different keying measurement, accounting, coding.
Yeah, no ram upgrades is a deal breaker, and I've been an AMD user for 25 years.
soldered ram LMAO
Only a brand simp will buy this and disrespect themselves like this. Right to repair and right to upgrade or I’ll go to a brand that does respect the consumer.
@@MauritiusMoments LPDDR5 needs to be soldered, if you want a laptop with the current fastest and most efficient memory it will be soldered in
@@yonkocommander5531 oh I didn’t know this.
@@yonkocommander5531not with LPCAMM2
@@duckhead565 yeah that’s definitely the future but unfortunately not with this year’s laptops
Yet another entertaining, high grade production video. You mentioned you had quite a few RMA's with ASUS without a single issue and very quick turnaround. Don't you realize that you are an influencer though? Of course they would treat you with extra priority. *This doesn't change the fact that one of the biggest investigative journalists on youtube that is GamersNexus has exposed a worldwide issue related to their RMA process. So it is not just regional differences!*
Seriously, the way you guys try to cover for corpos like these, just to stay on the good side is disgusting to me, at least shut your mouth and don't comment. Yall are being arrogant as well when replying.
Soon everything will be soldered in .. fu that will go for something fat instead ✌️
Once these offer the new thin upgradeable memory modules this will sell out until the pros must look elsewhere for memory upgrades on $2000 plus laptop.
But the in-store extended warranty if you buy anything ASUS
Ceramic is the oxide. So they oxide the surface of aluminium .
Holyyy, as of early this year I was convinced I'm getting a gaming laptop later on. But with the current trend of unupgradable hardware and an unnecessary barrage of AI shoved into your throat, I am again sliding towards a Ryzen 9000 PC buid + a mac/snapdragon laptop as a T&L device for remote work.
Gotta thanks apple m1,m2,m3 for forcing all the windows laptops to be optimized for battery life
Until usb-c PD on both sides of a laptop, its not interresting.
Ok so they can fit a 75 wh battery in the S14 in a 14 inch , but they cant fit it in a 16inch is ??!? , Just give me this laptop with a oled screen and 99 wh battery so I can throw my macbook air
if battery life was reasonable, i don't see why i want a new qualcomm snapdragon x elite laptop which is kinda mid in processing power for a dev
Personally, that Asus S16 laptop is the most beautiful laptop I have ever seen. The color, design, style, etc. are just dope. I might get one as I am going back to Windows (from using a macbook).
Power button next to the delete and backspace is one the things that no OEM should ever do but looks like ASUS does it anyways
Speakers should always be on top, facing you. I dont get why they usually always place them on the bottom.
Asus is getting more intentional with its new design and aesthetics. I love it
I am so confused about these newer Intel and AMD processors. We are getting like 3 generation of updates in 2024??? Someone needs to make an explanation video. I am confused with Qualcomm, Intel and AMD now lol
The Vivobook S16 has a better display and better ports. Yeah sure it has a last gen processor but it's weird that the vivobook seems to be better than the zenbook
It's out for preorder today, releasing 16.07.2024 (in EU)
3:50 is this HC's on own footage? Scrolling through a Chinese website?
They're probably in Taipei Taiwan right now doing coverage of Computex.
People seriously, just buy Lenovo or framework.
after my friends had new AS** laptops and both got anomaly after long term i prefer another brands
WiFi 7 ?
I want Acer Swift 7 9.9mm laptop
Back in 2024
Framework AMD linux unix which is upgradeable and fixable ?
Exactly. Already bought one and laughing at these OEMs scrambling to make something even slightly compelling for upgrades.
Problem is Framework is overpriced. Can get better laptops for less elsewhere. Some of the gaming laptops are the sweet spot since they still have upgradeable ram, storage, wifi cards, replaceable batteries, etc like the HP Omens that are regularly around $1000 on sale with dedicated graphics.
@Son37Lumiere The problem is that many of those laptops don't have replaceable RAM anymore. For example, the G14 is WAY too expensive to get 32 GB of RAM and it's soldered. Same with the Omen Transcend 14.
@@cameronbosch1213 Yes as the manufacturers push for smaller and thinner this is one of the first things to go. I would not buy any laptop with soldered ram if it's less than 32 GB.
I am never buying any premium laptop from Asus due to terrible warranty and support atleast here in India. I have had the worst experiences after owning laptops from zenbook and the ROG zephyrus series. If I want to buy premium products, I would much rather pay the same amount for Apple or Lenovo laptop.
Can you recount an experience justifying your claim?
32gigs - no problem. Biggest question is GPU!? Right now i'm looking for laptop to make some video editing and fast color grading on my movie project.. so G14 with 4070 looks quiet good in this tasks but what about this laptop?
Strix Halo is gonna be amazing
Hey Google what is 0,6 inches in cm?
I really loved the Asus laptop products. But after sales warranty daylight fraud is what stopped me even shortlisting Asus.
Don't want to deal with fraudsters 🙏
Waiting for Samsung to come with this processor. I'm just here to checkout the AMD details and not for Asus brand.
Love your channel and content. Never disappoints! Keep up the good work!
So ASUS is taking away the Num pad too now? Guess I'm done with laptops 🤷🏻
"very early engineering sample" how bout they send units where we can see performance metrics instead?🤦♂️
why cant you be the permanent host of this channel? your reviews are high quality as always.
If this thing has SODIMM support, that would mean substantially slower memory speeds and probably performance. Then people would dunk on AMD for being behind Intel and Apple, who also do not have upgradable memory in their latest designs. Hopefully there will be some decent LPDDR5 CAMM2 designs with Strix.
The lack of memery upgrade ability is due to the fact that the ram is integrated in the APU. It’s unfortunate but that’s how it designed and that’s gonna be that way for all of the laptops with that family of APU.
How is it going to fit a ram slot if it's so thin
I think we should embraace older upgradable laptops...ain't no way I'm spending a lot of money on a powerful cpu and less ram, especially with how fast software is evolving
Asus only makes nice exterior and invest in marketing, that`s not about quality, all their products I tried are garbage.
Coil whine, something always shaking inside, noise when earbuds plugged in.
And we can clearly see how they invest in bloggers so how much money left for production? As usual, nothing :)
No no no, Asus, not this time!
Great looking screen for when I am on the move. Though it remains that when at home it will play second fiddle to 2 x 4K monitors. Do you have any idea if the integrated graphics processor (AMD Radeon 880M / 890M) on these new CPUs will be beefy enough to run 2x 4K at 60 Hz each (not gaming)?
I am really stuck between whether should I got for this or other with dedicated gpus
Not having SODIMM slots is sad, but I hope that now the prices for 16GB model goes down and we start seeing 32GB RAM variants more.
32 GB? Give me 64 GB or you're going out the window Asus!
32 GB? Give me 64 GB or you're going out the window Asus!
They put demo on camm module in CES for desktop mobo but no more ram upgrade on laptop 😅
Soldered ram eh..just have to get a 32gb model since a 16gb will be a little slow.
That ram runs at like 7400 mhz so it’s fast lol
are the hinges good for 5-6 years of use or it will fail in 2 months?
Thanks for this breakdown I'll be shopping this if I can order it with 64 gigs of RAM since it can't be upgraded my laptops usually keep me happy for 5 years, right now my 7 year old has and I need at least 32, so if I can't get it with 64 it's no sale.
Frankly I wish they'd stop trying to make these things thinner, as you pointed out in your iPad review, any thinner than what we have doesn't do much in portability, I'd rather have better cooling and bigger battery
Bro, I'm already subscribed, but lemme tell you: ain't nobody gives a flying rat behind about the imperial measurment system. Please use metric like the rest of the planet.
ASUS - Zenbook S 16 16” 3K OLED Touch Screen Laptop, AMD Ryzen AI 9 365 - 24GB Memory - 1TB SSD - Scandinavian White ---> at Best Buy that just the minimum RAM I am requiring to run all my Docker Images while working
Did not know Lunar Lake laptops had broken ground yet, even as press samples. Pity there isn’t an AMD S14 to test directly against the Intel powered version…
No upgradable ram in laptops is absolutely unacceptable
Hey man
What are the differences between the cloud 3 wireless and the logitech gpro x2? I usually play on ps4/5 and I want to buy one of this two headset
Dear Sony
Please release an updated slim version of the Sony Vaio P with this technology. I want a slim windows laptop that slips into an inner suit pocket. I am not alone.
Is it possible to upgrade RAM?
Just when you thought AMD's naming strategy couldn't get more confusing. They make it even more confusing.
yet they are keen on keeping power key near backspace and delete. Is like they want to punish users who does the typing mistake by shutting their computer down.
Battery life? I was more wondering about the warranty.
Looks nice. I wish they didn’t etch those lines. I prefer a clean look. They need to stop writing Asus on their products too. Just keep it clean like the MAC’s and use the logo instead.
For me the biggest design flaw that Asus keeps making is putting the USB-A on the right 😤
Glorified word / excel processing and youtube watching machine. Look at those flimsily thin heatsinks, anything requiring real cpu / gpu processing will run like a snail due to thermal throttling.
It’s almost like it’s an thin ultrabook that was designed for light task and on the go carry 💀
Are you sure you're a subject of Queen Chucky?
Please use normal measurements, I'm pretty sure that is what you use in Canada as well.
power button in the function row...................... why?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It'll be the same as it always is with AMD laptops, zero availability.
👎 Not a single word you talked about AMD processor!! *Title is so misleading.*
Sponsorship discloser is tiny.
No SO-DIMM slots on any AMD Strix point CPUs? They really gonna give Intel the W like that huh... okay.
That's actually fucking crazy
Its the only way they can get the benefits (power & bandwidth) of LPDDR5X.
You need to research why OEMs are doing this. If you want the fastest most latent-free performance to match Apple, then you need LPDDR5X which at the moment is not made in SO-DIMM. Why on earth would anyone want to have slower RAM just in case they may sometime in the future need a RAM upgrade? Just buy what you need.
@@HardwareCanucks It's not the only way they could've achieved those though. The JEDEC group fully ratified the CAMM2 standard and companies are already bringing out LPDDR5X CAMM2 modules (see Team Group as a single example). This is just lazy anti consumer behavior in a time where they can't afford it.
@GarrusVakarian-to2uh There is little indication that RAM failure is now an issue. You will probably have to be extremly unlucky, probably
16 inch laptop with no number pad ? Ok bye
does the screen flip 180 degrees?
asus warranty sucks but they don't have a history of issues on their laptops unlike their handhelds. add a gpu to this and its everything i would want in a laptop
why the esoteric units? we're in the 21st century
Are we really going to pretend Asus doesn't have an RMA issue?
Boycott all laptops that do not allow SSD and ram upgrades over $1000.
That's the only way to stop this madness.
Bruh 500 views in 10 minutes
Bro fell off
its over
The only thing this laptop lacks is a good dedicated GPU.
16:10 screen. good one.
Can the HDMI 2.1 port output at 4K 120hz ? which wifi7 controller are they using ?