Hmmm, like an Intel i9 13/14th gen sticker? - I would agree. [So long as the stickers can be pealed with out leaving sticky muck I don't mind stickers, handy when on display in shops.]
@CraigTheBrute-yf7no Risky mate, if any manage to get through to the keyboard, can damage the laptop. if you are that bothered, buy 99.99% pure alcohol. You can buy swabs for £2..
Can we mention the fact that your bar graphs are the clearest I've ever seen? The different colours for different brands combined with the greater vibrancy for the CPUs of interest make it super easy to understand at a glance. It also makes the sorting with the best CPU always on top super easy to follow, while most other channels you have to pause to read the fine print in the legend to figure out which is where. Amazing work, may everyone else copy you!
They wont be good. These chips are designed for a sweet spot of around 28 watts. It's the same reason why the ROG Ally is garbage compared to the steam deck. It has a bigger and newer chip yet worse performance at the handheld 7 watts of power. It just isn't optimized for handheld use. These chips have too many CPU cores which isn't useful for gaming and the GPU is too underpowered, thus leading to wasted power. The NPU also waates a lot of space and accuracy when no game uses it. AMD is cooking and will make a van gogh successor, and the upcoming strict Halo will bring 3060 mobile performance in an APU for laptops, but you're all fooled if you think this and other 15-28 watt chips make for good handheld APU's. they never have and they never will
Wow, AMD actually one-upped themselves with the naming. I thought XFX RX 7900 XTX XXX Edition was terrible but AMD Ryzen Ai 9 HX 370/365 really takes the cake.
Let us hope they'll continue this very positive trend with their next gen of GPUs. This gen was at the very least 100W more power hungry than the Nvidia equivalent
Can I say this, and this is absolutely genuine, THANK YOU Hardware Canucks for making this a nonsponsored (by the subject) video. Some other channels are making sponsored content of the new chips (and specifically in a new laptop), but this launch is too important for your initial videos to be sponsored. I honestly appreciate your work; it makes such a difference to the audience when the subject of such an important piece of tech is not sponsored
Thanks for the compliment. However, I don't think there's really ANY sponsored content out there right now for these new chips...unless its sponsored and not disclosed.
@@HardwareCanucks Yeah; it was more so the laptop (i.e. the Max Tech video) that was sponsored. However, the new chip was a primary selling point of the laptop, so it was a big talking point in the sponsored videos. Thanks again guys.
The Asus g14 with these new chips are gonna be insane, my g14 2023 is already amazing, crazy performance, amazing battery life(well tuned with g-helper) amazing screen, AMD is on fire
I think there's more to the graphics performance (or the lack of it) than the lack of power. The biggest issue is actually the memory bandwidth. All modern laptops are bandwidth constrained leaving a lot of perf on the table
AMD partially fixed that with an upgraded local caching hierarchy on RDNA 3.5 but you are right, there's certainly performance being left on the table somewhere.
I wonder if we might get some sort of PC (either a laptop or a handheld) using GDDR memory in combination with integrated graphics, like the consoles have. Either a future Steam Deck, or the rumoured Xbox handheld.
I don't believe that's the problem since the 300 series uses much faster LPDDR5X- 7500. It's likely a power issue as mentioned and/or some driver issue. This is a new architecture with AMD's first foray into a Big.little CPU design with the Zen 5c cores.
You have to remember tech has come so much further than a 10 year $1000 laptop. This is actually a good price also considering it has an OLED 120hz screen. Also the build quality is excellent from the looks of it.
For top ZenBook series laptop the price is pretty low, actually. Qualcomm had the nerve to put their x elite laptops higher than these with MUCH less performance and efficiency. And I'm pretty sure Intel models are still around this price range, so for the launch price it's definitely ok. Wait until black Friday and Christmas to see real prices.
Steam Deck 2 will likely wait for the next-gen APU from AMD, which won't land until Zen 6 which gets RDNA 5 graphics. (Which also fits Valve's purported timeline for a deck 2.) RDNA 4 is essentially being skipped, so Zen 5 only has RDNA 3 APUs. Not enough of an upgrade from the Deck's Zen 2 + RDNA 2. While Zen 5 is a grounds up re-architecture of Zen, Zen 6 is what actually brings the full new package. I.E. totally new memory controller, High-NA fabrication, and will focus on peak performance for high-efficient devices (aka Steam Deck.) So be on the look out in 2026, as all signs point there.
A note on the temperature chart at 3:54 logging from 0 to 170 Celsius really compressed the scale, unless you're using your laptop in the Arctic or on Mt. Doom. Showing the scale from, say, 20c to 120c should show the actual working range of these processors, while better demonstrating how big of a leap 76 or 88, is over 95/100.
Same for dB on the next chart. A 50 dB laptop is annoying. There's no need for a scale that goes to 100 dB here, or down to 0dB. Are you doing your testing next to a jet engine or in an anechoic chamber? You shouldn't put a scale on your chart that you don't actually have the equipment to measure to
Two things: - 1.This chips are not the highest tier, they are available in 54W versions on other devices - 2. As a "pro" user who uses a laptop around 8-9hours, 6 days a week, I DO NOT go productive on battery. no. most of the professional users got a laptop, so they can move, because they need to work in more than just one office. But normally the laptop is plugged in, I really don't care about batterylife... it's nice to have more, but no buying decision for any professional programmer, designer or artists that I know. For the APUs: Something nearly all the reviewers missing: It's a 28W APU, which can go up to 54 (in other systems), asus has restricted it here to 28 watts, because they wanted to go slim. But this thing has actually a loooot more performance if a manufacturer would use it the right way. Asus offers the lower priced new vivobook 14, 15 and 16 with a full 54w Ryzen 9 AI HX 370. So, that would be interesting.
+1 on #2. My laptop is sitting in a stand in my desk with 2 huge monitors attached. I keep the battery at 80% and use it more like a UPS. Whenever the energy goes out (kinda frequent some seasons), i dont loose work and have plenty of time to end what i was doing and suspend. And in a hurry, i can pick it up and carry all my work anywhere.
@@IvnSoft Agreed. If I get better battery life I'm not going to complain but for some of us laptops are nothing more than portable workstations, with the expectation to be used plugged-in 99% of the time.
Asus was first to get Snapdragon and showed the worst performance out of all Snapdragon laptops. Now they're the first to ship new AMD machines. We can't trust Asus that much
They were a short company always charging a 20% raise tax without the quality to back it up. Their recent breaking of the law and voiding warranties means no one should buy anything from that company. Fumble after fumble
Kinda still unbelievable how good Apple's M-Series SoC's are. The fact that neither Intel, AMD or even Qualcomm is able to beat them is insane. Just insane. The fact that the M3 MacBook Air is able to compete without having fans, and still delivers top-notch Battery Life is just insane.
Bruh it's easy to explain. AMD and Intel primarily make Desktop chips and so are able to make good desktop processors that leech a lot of power. But can't do as well on laptops due to heat constraints (hurts intel) and also due to how Windows works. Qualcomm makes mobile phone processors and they've only now started making desktop stuff. It's just like Intel's Arc series. On the other hand, Apple literally controls the OS down to every minute detail and they make their own chips and know everything that needs to be done. So yeah, they can just control everything to ensure good battery life and also have had great success on smartphone. Not saying Apple doesn't deserve props for their work but you just need to have some context to understand stuff. In no way is it unbelievable. Geekerwan has a nice vid on this stuff. The Ultra chips are the ones that surprised me the most, they came super close to desktop processors without producing much heat or noise, Optimum had a nice vid. Though the pricing is ludicrous.
And they have 5G...We need mobile devices for staff that can last more than an hour on battery in performance mode. Staff need to be able to take the devices offsite and have clients sign documents on the devices, then send those documents to be processed ASAP. Our only options are a combination of Dell with 5G and 5G iPADs. It just feels like engineers have been recycling designs the last few years with 0 improvements or consideration for the buyers.
Ah yes, nothing screams great user experience like trying to hit enter, and hitting Pg Up instead. Most people I know would never even consider a laptop with a non standard keyboard.
@@zkristic Really? I've seen far too many people while at university carrying HP Spectres, back when they had home, page up, page down, and end. I don't think anyone ever spoke about this subject. Do you guo around asking "most people" that you know if it was a deal breaker? Also, there's this thing called adjustment, just how people will full-sized keyboards (usually in 16 inch+) have an offset.
Amazing. Besides the AI BS, these new CPUs are amazing. When I’m using a laptop that’s what I want: fast CPU without using too much power so it’s actually usable as a laptop. And a reasonable integrated GPU for the same reason
Hi! From the processor standpoint, how does it compare to an intel i9 13900H in the asus zenbook pro 14? I was interested in this specific model. Who is faster between the two? I'm mainly interested in multitasking, having lots of tabs open at the same time, using tradingview, possibly connecting an additional monitor... no gaming, just multitasking and trading. I don't know if this use is more related to single core or multi core, if you could aknowledge me about it I would be grateful :) Thanks and good week!
Read the Notebook check review for the S16, watched Mathew Moniz' review for it also. And now this video. There are a lot of very different results for this machine, or am I crazy? Mathew showed single core score for the AMD cpu being lower or tied with X-Elite. Notebookcheck also said the laptop gets loud especially under load.
@@HardwareCanucks also, resolution of screen, if updates of windows are all made or still pending, quantity of ram, if the touch screen is on, the chosen fan profile, etc etc not strange that there is variation
I would like to know if the new AMD laptops use the new LPCAMM2 memory. The performance benefit moving away from SO-DIMM could be a reason for the performance improvement.
Great overview, thank you. I have a HP Omen 15 with an Intel 10750h processor from 2021. I promised myself that I won't purchase any future Windows laptop that won't give me at least 12 hours of productivity unplugged ❤.
Not familiar with tech, would this be getting really hot for Excel? Just want a large high quality screen with high refresh rate when working with spreadsheets.
It only took 3 years to come up with a product that competes with my M1air :) If I add a thermal pad I instantly give it a 23% speed boost and Im good for another 3 years.
The amount of data stored for many laptops you review on many of your charts so you can be able to go back to them must be large. Thanks for the effort you put into this. This channel genuinely gives me the most information I get about laptops I'm learning about
The Ryzen 7 8840H in the Asus Zenbook 14 OLED is actually very competitive. Good product barging price shopping college students. Also, full access to X86 software and solid for 1080p gaming.
What I like about these new cpus is that they are good all around. They don't top every bench but are competitive. No matter what you buy it for, you won't be dissapointed.
The Blender power consumtion is not fair here, it should be how much power draw for 100 blender cycle load from the start to the end. Which is more efficient, the slow render with low wattage, or fast with high wattage
Nice review, I'm hoping you can get a review of Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen 7, it comes with socketed RAM, (LPCAMM2) I'd consider the one reviewed in this vid if offered with 64 gigs RAM on this soldered RAM MOBO. In 2024 32 gigs is base config for anyone needing zen 5 performance, especially since these are marketed as decent gamers, if ram was socketed it'd be fine at 32 gigs, (not 24) My 7 year old mid range zen 1 has 32 gigs, topping something new at 24 isn't for anyone wanting this relevant more than a year or two. More important, LPCAMM2 is available today, this is socketed RAM, thinner and faster than soldered, these zen 5 CPUs support over 200 gigs RAM, I'll wait for a box that has socketed so that will be relevant as long as my current 7 year old 2in1
Cpu like that should not have problem in video editing unless at 8k . Or in after effects But mostly it is because the ram capacity. After effects is basically unusable on 16gb of ram cuz of awfull playback performance.
You can try the new proart px13 laptops to get a closer comparison to these smaller laptops as it is one of the first smaller compact laptops with these new amd chips. Looking forward to your comparison and conclusion!
There are a lot of reviews where they are getting much more performance out of the GPU than this. From 3700 to over 4000 in Timespy. Something isn't quite right here.
@@HardwareCanucks It isn't just that though, gaming results as well. Obviously synthetics aren't pointless or you would refuse to include them altogether. It's not a criticism of yourselves, just an observation of this sample. 600-900 points less speaks to an issue regardless of subjective interpretation of synthetic benchmarks. Maybe it's just this particular sample.
On that Blender test the AMD chips seems to be pulling similar power per core as the M3, about 10 watts per 4 cores as they had 12 cores and that Mac chip was 8 cores.
I think you should see the bios and check some settings, because I had a client's mini pc with a 780M and it was factory limited in terms of power and memory of the gpu. When you set in the bios, "prefer maximum performance" and manually adjust for example 8GB of video memory instead of "auto", you'll see a massive increase of performance and despite what you think the battery life don't change a lot. The pc is just more reactive and the video card don't adjust the memory every time giving you more stable performance. It should work like this out of the box but I think that for the average user it doesn't matter a lot. If you are collecting data and repeat some tests, u will see at least 5% more of what you saw.
I am gonna wait for other laptops with these chips, this Zenbook S 16 might be a nice showcase platform for the new chips but... I have a feeling some other manufacturers or models might actually designed to be more practical rather than pretty and light 😛
I think you need to change how you label the charts. The power consumption was tested in a Blender all-core workload, but you also list these Watt figures for all other tests, even though the power draw can differ dramatically, especially for single core workloads. The ranking for power draw would probably change in these other tests. So either measure power draw in different scenarios, or only include the power draw in the test it belongs to.
thx for the indepth review, can't the snapdragon laptops power wattage not be tested with a wall power meter? Would have been great to see those figures.
Would love to see some CPU concentrated testing for us who work in tech. GPU performance is great but other than pushing a 4k@60hz we don't have much need for it. That CPU tho'...that's what gets me interested. Like compiling firefox recording CPU temps, fan noise, room temp, desk surface temp, keyboard temp etc.
That's interesting results. My next work machine will be the top end AMD AI 9 I can get my hands on, as I have been dumped with VM's on my laptop..... (gota love IT heads setting policy). So for my use case its mainly going to be CPU and Memory performance I will be interested in (like compress and decompress) and enough 'P' cores and ram to share. I am sure my OEM will choose the slower ram.... if they can with in the spec.
performance and battery life is great and 33w is insaly good for that amount of performance, but like you (i think) i want to see this with 65 watts :D
Guys, did you ever consider adding surface temps to your graphs? Sometimes the chip being too hot isn't the limitation, but rather it is the surface temp (keyboard or backside) getting too hot. That is exactly what happened with the X Elite. The chip itself was relatively cool but the chassis in some machines got so hot that the machine had to throttle the chip to make the surface temp cooler. I would love to know the surface temp of the Zenbooks with these new chips compared to Intel, Apple and Qualcomm.
Let's also not forget that these zen 5 CPU's aren't on 3nm, they're on 4nm most likely N4P. If they we're on N3P they'd be really competing against MBs, because they are able to run any program without any limitation where as MBs are extremely limited for low power advantage.
HECK yes I want to see what these chips with more power! The next gen of minipcs is going to be immense when we can slot in 96GB of ram and feed them 60W!
In your light load tests, the ones about Microsoft Word, Excel and PowerPoint, I'd like to see how Apple's own software compares with the same files/tasks. I have two friends with Macs who use them and don't see any need to pay up for Microsoft's apps.
That's the issue....we run a script within the Office environment to run the batch test. Apple iWork Pages, Numbers and Keynote cannot run the type of scripts we need to automate the test and we don't want potential human error factoring into the methodology.
The MacBook at 11w is quite powerful even matching some of these higher tiers in GPU, rendering so on. Clearly X elite and HX 370 375 are M3 pros equal 28w or even M3 max challengers. And at the price asus is asking M2 pro is there with M3 pro like performance.
Thank you so much for the useful info, I am using a Macbook Air M1-518-8 RAM, and I am pretty satisfied, But I also want a Windows Laptop, Do you have Any recommendations?
wait until november/december for these laptops to come out in 14' form factors. Likely have better config to address his comments on power usage on the iGPU (if u like gaming uses) and probably better efficiencies on other OEMs. This laptop is just the beginning for AMDs new processors.
Price is what it's really going to come down to. AMD is finally making a better laptop than Intel but if the price isn't better, people are still going to buy Intel because they know the Intel name. If AMD wants that market share, they need to produce as good or better performance for less money. Look at how poorly the Snapdragon laptops are selling. Even with the good battery life, people simply aren't buying them because they're stupidly expensive. If they released at like $600 instead, I bet they would sell much more of them and you can raise the price later. But as much as I want AMD to do well, if they try and price laptops the same as Intel systems, they just aren't going to sell.
What? You talk about efficency when presenting numbers on power consumption - not the same thing! What you need to present is performance per watt, not just power draw...
Id love to see the 370 AI and 890m in a G14 Zephrus or comparable laptop for $1000. Dedicated graphics are obviously significantly better but honestly some people just want to play light games or games that prioritize a high CPU. So removing a dedicated gpu reduced price by at least 200-300, reduces weight, reduces heat, and should get better battery life...
Would be good to try test zen 5000 series vivobooks as they are still super popular to buy on the cheap and still preform quite well all things considered just to get idea of power consumption. As when you compare from just 1 generation old 8000 series to this one no one is going to upgrade in that time frame but a realistic upgrade cycle of 3-4 years would make sense and give a good idea of how it has progressed
for laptops specifically, self reporting power draw is pointless. its not like desktops where mobos are pretty standardised, (although even then, independent cpu/mobo connector testing should be the standard) laptops/portable devices should be tested with all peripherals at lowest standardised power and then measured from the battery terminals/DC power connector at full charge. its harder, but important to get real results. also doubles as a light repairability test, being able to quickly tear down to measure battery terminals and removing or powering down peripherals, though i expect for standardised results most laptops will be tested with most stuff on because some can't be powered down as low, like some only go as low as maybe 100nits display brightness.
I'm just happy that they release new chips so that those with non-AI related chips will be cheaper. Plus I already switched to Linux since Windows has become so bloated. That's why they keep on releasing these chips cause windows is not lean and efficient anymore.
I just like that non ai laptops will drop in price significantly. So the used market will soon be full of super cheap beasts. At least for the next 24-36 months
No way of changing TDP on the AMD 300 laptops? No AMD software for performance changes or what happens when you change to the max performance setting in Windows? It should be able to go closer to the 54W max I would think.
Salem techsperts has shown previous gen Zenbooks have those weak hinge bases than can break away from the lid after 2 years. Hopefully Asus fixed that flaw in this generation.
A few apple to orange comparisons in here, most notably on the battery examples given that the screen can often be the part draining the most battery. We get the gist of it though, which I guess was the point. The NPU is mostly to be recall-able I think, It's just that Microsoft delayed recall on x86 until later this year, and I suppose Asus wanted to get this laptop out asap. I agree though, unlikely to be of any real use, even for tech people where the integrated GPU will most likely be better suited for local LLM inference. I'm excited to see what 14 inches laptop with this chip will look like!
Explain your apples to oranges reference. We did everything we could to parallelize battery testing from one device to another which included forcing a lower refresh rate, normalizing to a set screen output level, setting as close to an identical power mode, etc. etc.
Large tech companies try and not shove the letters "AI" literally everywhere challenge impossible.
I think AMD will get more pushback for that ridiculous AI branding than they'll get for the "leaked" high GPU scores.
colgate next year : AI toothpaste
@@sharvayI already seen AI deodorant ads in Malaysia
@@kubotite9168 facepalm x100
AI is oversaturated
I’ve always thought stickers on laptops make them look worse.
Hmmm, like an Intel i9 13/14th gen sticker? - I would agree. [So long as the stickers can be pealed with out leaving sticky muck I don't mind stickers, handy when on display in shops.]
@@paulsim7589 The brand stickers, yes. You do have a point about them being handy on display though.
it depends, if it's holographic, I don't mind it, if it's generic then I'll get rid of it
Perfume works great for getting the stickers off without residue
@CraigTheBrute-yf7no Risky mate, if any manage to get through to the keyboard, can damage the laptop.
if you are that bothered, buy 99.99% pure alcohol.
You can buy swabs for £2..
Can we mention the fact that your bar graphs are the clearest I've ever seen? The different colours for different brands combined with the greater vibrancy for the CPUs of interest make it super easy to understand at a glance. It also makes the sorting with the best CPU always on top super easy to follow, while most other channels you have to pause to read the fine print in the legend to figure out which is where.
Amazing work, may everyone else copy you!
His bar graphs are bad, too many colors.
And the average / peak power consumption bar graph is so easy to understand in a split second. This guy is good😮
Can't wait for handhelds with a variation of this chip... 🤗
this
Me too, looking forward for the Legion Go 2. Just make the TDP adjustable like with the Z1 Extreme.
Can't wait to see what the steam deck 2 will be able to achieve!
After they fix the horrible iGPU performance ...
They wont be good. These chips are designed for a sweet spot of around 28 watts. It's the same reason why the ROG Ally is garbage compared to the steam deck. It has a bigger and newer chip yet worse performance at the handheld 7 watts of power. It just isn't optimized for handheld use. These chips have too many CPU cores which isn't useful for gaming and the GPU is too underpowered, thus leading to wasted power. The NPU also waates a lot of space and accuracy when no game uses it. AMD is cooking and will make a van gogh successor, and the upcoming strict Halo will bring 3060 mobile performance in an APU for laptops, but you're all fooled if you think this and other 15-28 watt chips make for good handheld APU's. they never have and they never will
It has a HDMI sticker on it lol
And it's crooked.....
I haven't seen one of those in 10 years😂
It makes it feel cheap
@@andi93 To be honest, the AMD brand does that for most people already (unfairly so), so almost nothing is lost there.
@@andi93just remove it
Wow, AMD actually one-upped themselves with the naming. I thought XFX RX 7900 XTX XXX Edition was terrible but AMD Ryzen Ai 9 HX 370/365 really takes the cake.
Am I the only one that finds battery drain during sleep important for these thin and lights? Rarely do I find it covered in reviews
its not something easily tested because of how inconsistent it is with windows
Because it’s not an AMD issue, it’s a Windows issue. Windows 11 modern sleep is flat out broken.
@@PurushNahiMahaPurush Yeah, there's not much hardware manufacturers can do to fix Windows...
@@PurushNahiMahaPurush So why is it not an issue on Qualcomm X-Elite laptops? The Phawx has an excellent video showing exactly battery sleep drain
Is a chip issue, not a windows issue. You hit the nail on the head. @@Unicornpirate
Do the letters "A" and "I" come with a price increase?
Yes, it is $100 more than last gen :)
@@justinpearson6449true, but it's also a lot better, its not just two additional letters in the name
Yes, 50$ each lol
@@justinpearson6449 4 additional CPU and graphics cores, that's why
It does come with a dedicated AI NPU that has more TOPS than any other, so there is that.
Despite having ‘AI’ in name, i really like how amd is trying to be more efficient with their chips!
Let us hope they'll continue this very positive trend with their next gen of GPUs. This gen was at the very least 100W more power hungry than the Nvidia equivalent
Can I say this, and this is absolutely genuine, THANK YOU Hardware Canucks for making this a nonsponsored (by the subject) video. Some other channels are making sponsored content of the new chips (and specifically in a new laptop), but this launch is too important for your initial videos to be sponsored. I honestly appreciate your work; it makes such a difference to the audience when the subject of such an important piece of tech is not sponsored
They follow the review guidelines, it's honestly not really different. That isn't a shot at the integrity of this channel either.
Thanks for the compliment. However, I don't think there's really ANY sponsored content out there right now for these new chips...unless its sponsored and not disclosed.
@@HardwareCanucks Yeah; it was more so the laptop (i.e. the Max Tech video) that was sponsored. However, the new chip was a primary selling point of the laptop, so it was a big talking point in the sponsored videos. Thanks again guys.
The Asus g14 with these new chips are gonna be insane, my g14 2023 is already amazing, crazy performance, amazing battery life(well tuned with g-helper) amazing screen, AMD is on fire
I think there's more to the graphics performance (or the lack of it) than the lack of power. The biggest issue is actually the memory bandwidth. All modern laptops are bandwidth constrained leaving a lot of perf on the table
AMD partially fixed that with an upgraded local caching hierarchy on RDNA 3.5 but you are right, there's certainly performance being left on the table somewhere.
I wonder if we might get some sort of PC (either a laptop or a handheld) using GDDR memory in combination with integrated graphics, like the consoles have. Either a future Steam Deck, or the rumoured Xbox handheld.
@@HardwareCanucks I presume that laptop has two DIMM's?
Barely beating a 39W chip at 33W is a win in my book. I'll take that instead of the same wattage with higher performance.
I don't believe that's the problem since the 300 series uses much faster LPDDR5X- 7500. It's likely a power issue as mentioned and/or some driver issue. This is a new architecture with AMD's first foray into a Big.little CPU design with the Zen 5c cores.
I'd buy anything with AMD instead of Intel/Apple/Nvidia in it, and these look amazing, but the price tags...
You have to remember tech has come so much further than a 10 year $1000 laptop. This is actually a good price also considering it has an OLED 120hz screen. Also the build quality is excellent from the looks of it.
Just wait a bit for something from HP or Lenovo, Asus always charges a premium and they're first to market.
For top ZenBook series laptop the price is pretty low, actually. Qualcomm had the nerve to put their x elite laptops higher than these with MUCH less performance and efficiency. And I'm pretty sure Intel models are still around this price range, so for the launch price it's definitely ok. Wait until black Friday and Christmas to see real prices.
Just wait till December or January prices should drop considerably not to mention you could get it much cheaper with open boxes.
i wonder why he doesnt compare it with the intel i9 185h.
mine with hx370 arrives today, very excited to try it out as it checks all the boxes for me.
I don't care about laptops but would love to see this 890m in the Steamdeck 2. That will make for an awesome handheld gaming experience.
Steam Deck 2 will likely wait for the next-gen APU from AMD, which won't land until Zen 6 which gets RDNA 5 graphics. (Which also fits Valve's purported timeline for a deck 2.) RDNA 4 is essentially being skipped, so Zen 5 only has RDNA 3 APUs. Not enough of an upgrade from the Deck's Zen 2 + RDNA 2. While Zen 5 is a grounds up re-architecture of Zen, Zen 6 is what actually brings the full new package. I.E. totally new memory controller, High-NA fabrication, and will focus on peak performance for high-efficient devices (aka Steam Deck.) So be on the look out in 2026, as all signs point there.
title: "AMD's Macbook Moment."
first frame: 4 ungodly stickers on the body
yup, macbook moment right there boys
Thats Asus doing.
But unlike Apple fans, those stickers will go to the trash not the rear windshield 😝
Oh no, some stickers, better drink some more soylent so your anemic apple fingers can peel them off.
Clearly about the function, performance, efficiency, and not the aesthetic. You use them to do things after after all, not go "look at what I got."
Literally just peel them off holy shit you people are lazy
@@blkspade23 People buy nice looking things because they appreciate the beauty, not because they want to show it to other people.
A note on the temperature chart at 3:54 logging from 0 to 170 Celsius really compressed the scale, unless you're using your laptop in the Arctic or on Mt. Doom.
Showing the scale from, say, 20c to 120c should show the actual working range of these processors, while better demonstrating how big of a leap 76 or 88, is over 95/100.
Same for dB on the next chart. A 50 dB laptop is annoying. There's no need for a scale that goes to 100 dB here, or down to 0dB.
Are you doing your testing next to a jet engine or in an anechoic chamber? You shouldn't put a scale on your chart that you don't actually have the equipment to measure to
Two things:
- 1.This chips are not the highest tier, they are available in 54W versions on other devices
- 2. As a "pro" user who uses a laptop around 8-9hours, 6 days a week, I DO NOT go productive on battery. no. most of the professional users got a laptop, so they can move, because they need to work in more than just one office. But normally the laptop is plugged in, I really don't care about batterylife... it's nice to have more, but no buying decision for any professional programmer, designer or artists that I know.
For the APUs:
Something nearly all the reviewers missing: It's a 28W APU, which can go up to 54 (in other systems), asus has restricted it here to 28 watts, because they wanted to go slim. But this thing has actually a loooot more performance if a manufacturer would use it the right way. Asus offers the lower priced new vivobook 14, 15 and 16 with a full 54w Ryzen 9 AI HX 370. So, that would be interesting.
+1 on #2.
My laptop is sitting in a stand in my desk with 2 huge monitors attached. I keep the battery at 80% and use it more like a UPS. Whenever the energy goes out (kinda frequent some seasons), i dont loose work and have plenty of time to end what i was doing and suspend. And in a hurry, i can pick it up and carry all my work anywhere.
@@IvnSoft Agreed. If I get better battery life I'm not going to complain but for some of us laptops are nothing more than portable workstations, with the expectation to be used plugged-in 99% of the time.
hm
Yes because people who use computer a lot would rather use the highest settings than worry about battery
the name 💀💀💀
AI in the name adds +25 HP
They are just using AI to leave some room for future X's.
The AMD -agen!
Worst name ever 💯 *Title of the video
@@HardwareCanucks Bet it's a Microsoft thing. We can just call it "HX 370". No one goes: "my Lenovo laptop has an AMD Ryzen 7 Pro 7840U".
Asus was first to get Snapdragon and showed the worst performance out of all Snapdragon laptops. Now they're the first to ship new AMD machines. We can't trust Asus that much
They were a short company always charging a 20% raise tax without the quality to back it up. Their recent breaking of the law and voiding warranties means no one should buy anything from that company. Fumble after fumble
Kinda still unbelievable how good Apple's M-Series SoC's are.
The fact that neither Intel, AMD or even Qualcomm is able to beat them is insane. Just insane.
The fact that the M3 MacBook Air is able to compete without having fans, and still delivers top-notch Battery Life is just insane.
Bruh it's easy to explain. AMD and Intel primarily make Desktop chips and so are able to make good desktop processors that leech a lot of power. But can't do as well on laptops due to heat constraints (hurts intel) and also due to how Windows works. Qualcomm makes mobile phone processors and they've only now started making desktop stuff. It's just like Intel's Arc series.
On the other hand, Apple literally controls the OS down to every minute detail and they make their own chips and know everything that needs to be done. So yeah, they can just control everything to ensure good battery life and also have had great success on smartphone. Not saying Apple doesn't deserve props for their work but you just need to have some context to understand stuff. In no way is it unbelievable. Geekerwan has a nice vid on this stuff.
The Ultra chips are the ones that surprised me the most, they came super close to desktop processors without producing much heat or noise, Optimum had a nice vid. Though the pricing is ludicrous.
And they have 5G...We need mobile devices for staff that can last more than an hour on battery in performance mode. Staff need to be able to take the devices offsite and have clients sign documents on the devices, then send those documents to be processed ASAP. Our only options are a combination of Dell with 5G and 5G iPADs. It just feels like engineers have been recycling designs the last few years with 0 improvements or consideration for the buyers.
@@ericneo2 Yep, why Im interested in arm laptop in some years. I dont use a laptop much myself, but LTE/data is nice.
Windows is still far inferior to MacOS in power saving features, there's nothing surprising about it.
Apple's M3 is the only one in this test build on 3nm, so there is that
I look forward to seeing new models from other manufactures
Same here. I wonder why will take so long 14:32
The efforts for all those tests 🔥
at least Asus should put some quick buttons on the right side of that keyboard (like home, end, insert, pgup/pgdn, delete)
Ah yes, nothing screams great user experience like trying to hit enter, and hitting Pg Up instead. Most people I know would never even consider a laptop with a non standard keyboard.
@@zkristic Really? I've seen far too many people while at university carrying HP Spectres, back when they had home, page up, page down, and end. I don't think anyone ever spoke about this subject. Do you guo around asking "most people" that you know if it was a deal breaker?
Also, there's this thing called adjustment, just how people will full-sized keyboards (usually in 16 inch+) have an offset.
Didn0t know your content. Seems awesome because it is slow paced and clear
I just found your channel !! Nice video and I am getting ready to leave the MacOS world again LOL
Saludos desde Colombia
Hi.
Did you try running Ubuntu on this machine?
Amazing. Besides the AI BS, these new CPUs are amazing. When I’m using a laptop that’s what I want: fast CPU without using too much power so it’s actually usable as a laptop. And a reasonable integrated GPU for the same reason
can the SSD cards be upgraded or is this solded/integrated on the motherboard?
What about battery life on standby? How much battery does it drain while the lid is closed overnight?
This is a test we're in the process of adding to our methodology.
@@HardwareCanucks Cool. Looking forward to it!
I'd assume it's somewhere around 12 hours video playback through a web browser.
another reviewer tested this and lost 4% overnight
Others have reported this machine running VERY hot.
I also saw someone review one but it was the opposite; it was surprisingly cool...
Hi!
From the processor standpoint, how does it compare to an intel i9 13900H in the asus zenbook pro 14?
I was interested in this specific model.
Who is faster between the two?
I'm mainly interested in multitasking, having lots of tabs open at the same time, using tradingview, possibly connecting an additional monitor... no gaming, just multitasking and trading.
I don't know if this use is more related to single core or multi core, if you could aknowledge me about it I would be grateful :)
Thanks and good week!
Read the Notebook check review for the S16, watched Mathew Moniz' review for it also. And now this video. There are a lot of very different results for this machine, or am I crazy? Mathew showed single core score for the AMD cpu being lower or tied with X-Elite. Notebookcheck also said the laptop gets loud especially under load.
Performance can vary by laptop and by chip.
@@HardwareCanucks also, resolution of screen, if updates of windows are all made or still pending, quantity of ram, if the touch screen is on, the chosen fan profile, etc etc not strange that there is variation
I would like to know if the new AMD laptops use the new LPCAMM2 memory. The performance benefit moving away from SO-DIMM could be a reason for the performance improvement.
so should i buy the asus zephyrus with ultra 9 or AI HX 370?
Great overview, thank you. I have a HP Omen 15 with an Intel 10750h processor from 2021. I promised myself that I won't purchase any future Windows laptop that won't give me at least 12 hours of productivity unplugged ❤.
Not familiar with tech, would this be getting really hot for Excel? Just want a large high quality screen with high refresh rate when working with spreadsheets.
It only took 3 years to come up with a product that competes with my M1air :) If I add a thermal pad I instantly give it a 23% speed boost and Im good for another 3 years.
The video clearly shows it's an M3 air, but the point is still valid. ARM processors are good.
The amount of data stored for many laptops you review on many of your charts so you can be able to go back to them must be large.
Thanks for the effort you put into this. This channel genuinely gives me the most information I get about laptops I'm learning about
The Ryzen 7 8840H in the Asus Zenbook 14 OLED is actually very competitive. Good product barging price shopping college students. Also, full access to X86 software and solid for 1080p gaming.
The problem is availability. That laptop was a flash in the pan moment with very little retail stock.
I wish you would have more content like this instead of the sponsored stuff you guys do.
Channel wouldn’t exist. They need revenue to review these products. AKA sponsor videos.
strix point apu is going to be insane, looks forward to the 365
3:00 I think your legend for Peak and Avg is backwards.
What I like about these new cpus is that they are good all around. They don't top every bench but are competitive. No matter what you buy it for, you won't be dissapointed.
how's the performance after the new update?
The Blender power consumtion is not fair here, it should be how much power draw for 100 blender cycle load from the start to the end.
Which is more efficient, the slow render with low wattage, or fast with high wattage
Nice review, I'm hoping you can get a review of Lenovo ThinkPad P1 Gen 7, it comes with socketed RAM, (LPCAMM2)
I'd consider the one reviewed in this vid if offered with 64 gigs RAM on this soldered RAM MOBO.
In 2024 32 gigs is base config for anyone needing zen 5 performance, especially since these are marketed as decent gamers, if ram was socketed it'd be fine at 32 gigs, (not 24)
My 7 year old mid range zen 1 has 32 gigs, topping something new at 24 isn't for anyone wanting this relevant more than a year or two.
More important, LPCAMM2 is available today, this is socketed RAM, thinner and faster than soldered, these zen 5 CPUs support over 200 gigs RAM, I'll wait for a box that has socketed so that will be relevant as long as my current 7 year old 2in1
What about live payback in video editing?
That’s very important to be discovered too🧡
Cpu like that should not have problem in video editing unless at 8k . Or in after effects But mostly it is because the ram capacity. After effects is basically unusable on 16gb of ram cuz of awfull playback performance.
Which gaming laptop do you recommend under 900 dollars?
You can try the new proart px13 laptops to get a closer comparison to these smaller laptops as it is one of the first smaller compact laptops with these new amd chips. Looking forward to your comparison and conclusion!
For thinkpad user, if you want more RAM, go T14 or P14s GEN5 with 8840u and 8840hs would be great, since HX370's RAM is solid.
I'm curious about the battery life on standby. Would it drain the same as being used, would it drain at only 20% rate ? Great Video though ! :)
Nice sonnet keyboard. copper looks sweet!
Do you know what model the keyboard is? Thanks.
There are a lot of reviews where they are getting much more performance out of the GPU than this. From 3700 to over 4000 in Timespy. Something isn't quite right here.
Synthetics are pointless. Our 3DMark numbers align with the guidance AMD sent to us.
@@HardwareCanucks It isn't just that though, gaming results as well. Obviously synthetics aren't pointless or you would refuse to include them altogether. It's not a criticism of yourselves, just an observation of this sample. 600-900 points less speaks to an issue regardless of subjective interpretation of synthetic benchmarks. Maybe it's just this particular sample.
On that Blender test the AMD chips seems to be pulling similar power per core as the M3, about 10 watts per 4 cores as they had 12 cores and that Mac chip was 8 cores.
Almost twice as fast in blender while consuming less power is crazy.
Awesomw performance. Will get a amd strix laptop maybe lenovo z16 gen 3
I think you should see the bios and check some settings, because I had a client's mini pc with a 780M and it was factory limited in terms of power and memory of the gpu.
When you set in the bios, "prefer maximum performance" and manually adjust for example 8GB of video memory instead of "auto", you'll see a massive increase of performance and despite what you think the battery life don't change a lot. The pc is just more reactive and the video card don't adjust the memory every time giving you more stable performance. It should work like this out of the box but I think that for the average user it doesn't matter a lot. If you are collecting data and repeat some tests, u will see at least 5% more of what you saw.
I am gonna wait for other laptops with these chips, this Zenbook S 16 might be a nice showcase platform for the new chips but... I have a feeling some other manufacturers or models might actually designed to be more practical rather than pretty and light 😛
brilliant video was looking for a review of a battery and a power to battery ratio.
I think you need to change how you label the charts. The power consumption was tested in a Blender all-core workload, but you also list these Watt figures for all other tests, even though the power draw can differ dramatically, especially for single core workloads.
The ranking for power draw would probably change in these other tests.
So either measure power draw in different scenarios, or only include the power draw in the test it belongs to.
thx for the indepth review, can't the snapdragon laptops power wattage not be tested with a wall power meter? Would have been great to see those figures.
When this guy says Macbook Moment he means Macbook pricing.
Would love to see some CPU concentrated testing for us who work in tech. GPU performance is great but other than pushing a 4k@60hz we don't have much need for it. That CPU tho'...that's what gets me interested. Like compiling firefox recording CPU temps, fan noise, room temp, desk surface temp, keyboard temp etc.
That's interesting results. My next work machine will be the top end AMD AI 9 I can get my hands on, as I have been dumped with VM's on my laptop..... (gota love IT heads setting policy). So for my use case its mainly going to be CPU and Memory performance I will be interested in (like compress and decompress) and enough 'P' cores and ram to share. I am sure my OEM will choose the slower ram.... if they can with in the spec.
14:32 Do you know why will it take so long to introduce other Zen 5 laptops? 🙁
performance and battery life is great and 33w is insaly good for that amount of performance, but like you (i think) i want to see this with 65 watts :D
Comes with the famus ASUS technical support! 🙅♂🙅♂🙅♂
Should I spend an extra $300 for the HX 370 or it's not worth it?
Wait for discounts as well as alternatives from HP/Lenovo/Dell.
Is a
X86 right? So Linux friendly yeah?
Thanks for the great, critical review!
Guys, did you ever consider adding surface temps to your graphs? Sometimes the chip being too hot isn't the limitation, but rather it is the surface temp (keyboard or backside) getting too hot. That is exactly what happened with the X Elite. The chip itself was relatively cool but the chassis in some machines got so hot that the machine had to throttle the chip to make the surface temp cooler. I would love to know the surface temp of the Zenbooks with these new chips compared to Intel, Apple and Qualcomm.
Yes. We just purchased a new thermal camera that allows for multi point parallelized skin temp readings. So the tests are coming.
Qualcomm not allowing direct power monitoring on their chip is a disingenuous move. I'd rather stick with AMD if I were to upgrade a laptop.
Let's also not forget that these zen 5 CPU's aren't on 3nm, they're on 4nm most likely N4P. If they we're on N3P they'd be really competing against MBs, because they are able to run any program without any limitation where as MBs are extremely limited for low power advantage.
HECK yes I want to see what these chips with more power! The next gen of minipcs is going to be immense when we can slot in 96GB of ram and feed them 60W!
In your light load tests, the ones about Microsoft Word, Excel and PowerPoint, I'd like to see how Apple's own software compares with the same files/tasks. I have two friends with Macs who use them and don't see any need to pay up for Microsoft's apps.
That's the issue....we run a script within the Office environment to run the batch test. Apple iWork Pages, Numbers and Keynote cannot run the type of scripts we need to automate the test and we don't want potential human error factoring into the methodology.
@@HardwareCanucks
Understood 🫡💯
Honestly I was expecting a bigger performance boost than what actually occurred
Edit: on battery performance
The uplift is actually incredible on the CPU side. 15% lower power draw with 15-30% better performance is downright astronomical.
@@HardwareCanucks sorry when I say performance I mean overall including battery life as well. And off the charger, it's not as impressive
The MacBook at 11w is quite powerful even matching some of these higher tiers in GPU, rendering so on.
Clearly X elite and HX 370 375 are M3 pros equal 28w or even M3 max challengers. And at the price asus is asking M2 pro is there with M3 pro like performance.
Thank you so much for the useful info, I am using a Macbook Air M1-518-8 RAM, and I am pretty satisfied, But I also want a Windows Laptop, Do you have Any recommendations?
wait until november/december for these laptops to come out in 14' form factors. Likely have better config to address his comments on power usage on the iGPU (if u like gaming uses) and probably better efficiencies on other OEMs. This laptop is just the beginning for AMDs new processors.
Price is what it's really going to come down to. AMD is finally making a better laptop than Intel but if the price isn't better, people are still going to buy Intel because they know the Intel name. If AMD wants that market share, they need to produce as good or better performance for less money. Look at how poorly the Snapdragon laptops are selling. Even with the good battery life, people simply aren't buying them because they're stupidly expensive. If they released at like $600 instead, I bet they would sell much more of them and you can raise the price later. But as much as I want AMD to do well, if they try and price laptops the same as Intel systems, they just aren't going to sell.
What? You talk about efficency when presenting numbers on power consumption - not the same thing! What you need to present is performance per watt, not just power draw...
Id love to see the 370 AI and 890m in a G14 Zephrus or comparable laptop for $1000. Dedicated graphics are obviously significantly better but honestly some people just want to play light games or games that prioritize a high CPU. So removing a dedicated gpu reduced price by at least 200-300, reduces weight, reduces heat, and should get better battery life...
How much ram is allocated to the GPU on the 24gb model?
Why are you comparing the Ryzen 9 to the Core Ultra 7 and not the 9?
If only these computers didn't run Windows 11
It very is nice to *NOT* see any BeQuiet!'s ad as often as it was back then. Should've done it earlier tho.
The TT case looks like a mini fridge 😂 1:24
Would be good to try test zen 5000 series vivobooks as they are still super popular to buy on the cheap and still preform quite well all things considered just to get idea of power consumption. As when you compare from just 1 generation old 8000 series to this one no one is going to upgrade in that time frame but a realistic upgrade cycle of 3-4 years would make sense and give a good idea of how it has progressed
for laptops specifically, self reporting power draw is pointless. its not like desktops where mobos are pretty standardised, (although even then, independent cpu/mobo connector testing should be the standard) laptops/portable devices should be tested with all peripherals at lowest standardised power and then measured from the battery terminals/DC power connector at full charge.
its harder, but important to get real results. also doubles as a light repairability test, being able to quickly tear down to measure battery terminals and removing or powering down peripherals, though i expect for standardised results most laptops will be tested with most stuff on because some can't be powered down as low, like some only go as low as maybe 100nits display brightness.
I'm just happy that they release new chips so that those with non-AI related chips will be cheaper. Plus I already switched to Linux since Windows has become so bloated. That's why they keep on releasing these chips cause windows is not lean and efficient anymore.
I just like that non ai laptops will drop in price significantly. So the used market will soon be full of super cheap beasts. At least for the next 24-36 months
No way of changing TDP on the AMD 300 laptops? No AMD software for performance changes or what happens when you change to the max performance setting in Windows? It should be able to go closer to the 54W max I would think.
Thanks for this verey detailed review video.
AMD Ryzen AI 9 hx 370 will be available this year in TUF A16 and Zephyrus G16. 🤙
I didn't understand, is the apple processor limited to 11 w max, or it can push higher if needed?
@thekiihkadal The data is a mess, the M3 in the Air has a peak of like 33 W on the package, and 17 W on the CPU.
All the stage numbers we have in the charts are constant. For the peak watts, check out the Power Consumption section :)
Thanks for the clarification
While Framework is announcing their RISC laptops, incremental upgrade of a x86-64 seems like a relatively smaller moment than you claim, honestly 🙄
that despite all the tec upgrades we still dont have much better cooling solutions :-/
Salem techsperts has shown previous gen Zenbooks have those weak hinge bases than can break away from the lid after 2 years. Hopefully Asus fixed that flaw in this generation.
Hi. Can you please also run Ubuntu next time?
A few apple to orange comparisons in here, most notably on the battery examples given that the screen can often be the part draining the most battery. We get the gist of it though, which I guess was the point. The NPU is mostly to be recall-able I think, It's just that Microsoft delayed recall on x86 until later this year, and I suppose Asus wanted to get this laptop out asap. I agree though, unlikely to be of any real use, even for tech people where the integrated GPU will most likely be better suited for local LLM inference. I'm excited to see what 14 inches laptop with this chip will look like!
Explain your apples to oranges reference. We did everything we could to parallelize battery testing from one device to another which included forcing a lower refresh rate, normalizing to a set screen output level, setting as close to an identical power mode, etc. etc.