pc handhelds are totally worth covering. i used to be skeptical of windows handhelds myself, but then i picked up a legion go and now i game with it all the time.
I agree with this. I am turning 30 this year and there is something very seamless with just picking up my rog ally and playing for an hour on the couch inbetween plans and ''musts''
yes please start more handheld coverage, especially with steamos / bazzite. super excited at more steamos devices coming, and maybe even on arm devices too
I don't even have a laptop anymore. For the few times I need one I use my Legion Go with a folding bluetooth keyboard and trackpad. Battery life sucks but it's as powerful as any thin and light laptop when I'm not gaming on it. The 1600p display even makes sense when I use it that way too.
Then they aint dominating shit, lets stop calling something that doesn't even exist, which is a shame, would love an AMD laptop, but only thing in the market at reasonable prices is either 5000 series refurbished amd or Intel at any flavor. In other words, AMD is not dominating jackshit if it's a fucking unicorn.
held out on getting an M4 Pro MacBook Pro and having to learn to use macOS so very happy to see all of the laptops that I will get to choose from this year!
The Ryzen AI Max is a new category of x86 APU offering. I think we will see more APUs of this kind from both AMD and Intel (if they decide to launch this kind of APU) in the future.
Those ai max chips should be in mini pc's from beelink and others by the end of the year. Those peoducts are going to be SO COOL! Imagine a desktop the size of a mac mini with these chips running off a 100w usb-c brick. Ultimate travel workstation! Ive already got a 120hz 3k oled portable, and plenty of small mouse/keyboard options. Im ready to trade in the old 7940hs!
@CitAllHearItAll depends on the power budget of the laptop. At 45w, I'm not interested. Power limiting apu's causes massive frame time variability which ruins gameplay and makes rending a chore. Plus, I mainly need sustained performance for rendering and cad work. Laptops work fine, but I'm always at my desktop. If I can have a little mac-mini sized PC I can put in a backpack and run off the 12v in my car and anywhere else I go off USB, it becomes just as useful as the laptop to me. Mac mini+ small OLED+ USB brick is super portable, even compared to the laptop
There was a dude that modified a Mac mini to run off of power over ethernet, I wish the same guy or someone else could do a similar modification to make a USB-C powered Mac mini lol.
On paper Hawk Point looked to have the same specs as Phoenix, but it actually does 15% better in tests and is very efficient as a U class CPU. These have been available as an 8c under €600 which is a very comfy option for a lightweight quiet laptop to travel with. It's not fair to call Hawk Point a rebrand, the design fixed issues in Phoenix.
The thing I don't understand, is why I can't get an ASUS laptop with the best in class gaming CPU (X3D) paired with a high end GPU. Why is ASUS once again only offering 5080/5090 with the Intel models??? Wtf?
Please start covering the PC handheld gaming space. I'm interested in getting one. Your gaming laptop videos have been my essential resource in deciding on the Lenovo Slim 5 14
All of this would be good if AMD laptops were broadly available at launch time, which never happens. Say what you want about Intel laptops but actually being able to buy them is not a problem...
Got my wifey Z S 14 258V notebook for USD1,500, she is happy as is into photo editing and that OLED is perfect, plus light to carry. Myself, I am waiting for HX 370/375 from Elitebook or ThinkPads 13/14" in order to consider upgrading my Elitebook 7840U/32GB; for me keyboard matters a lot but am hoping for much better battery life.
Today my 16-core 32-thread 5950 PC went down (power supply may have burned out), so I fired up my 10-core 20-thread AI hx365 laptop to kubernetes in a VM and download steam and watch videos all at once and I really can't tell the difference, these Ryzen AI Zen5 CPUs are BEASTLY.
I'm very much looking forward to your experience with the Z13! I also hope that Asus has improved the XG mobile since launching it. I'm also honestly hoping that Asus will update the ProArt P16 with Strix Halo.
The issue with the 9955HX3D is that it suffers from the same core parking issue as the 7950X3D and 9950X3D. Since only half the cores get 3D-VCache and not to mention it's a laptop so you can't really fix that, it seems like the 285HX will be faster than the 9955HX3D like how the 14900HX was faster than the 7945HX3D. AMD says it's too expensive to have dual V-Cache CCDs but this is honestly a big letdown.
SteamDeckOS on a Z2 Extreme handheld would be my dream. Windows handhelds like the Legion Go was such a disappointment, and I had to return it and went back to my supposedly weaker/cheaper OG Steam Deck and it was just a smoother, seamless gaming experience, especially on game suspend/restore which is a must on any handheld gaming device. I can only imagine what kind of performance we'd get with a much beefier SoC than the very outdated chip in the Deck.
Very strong product line but missing more stuff maybe they are limited by manufacturing capacity and not marketing strix halo for gaming is a mistake. Imagine a strix halo mini pc ... 🤔
The gaming handheld space isn't going to be about Windows for long. Hardware manufacturers can see the writing on the wall. Personally I think Steam OS handhelds will be the next big thing in gaming. It has the potential to bring in all those Nintendo switch normies.
AMD could dominate the iGPU market for budget gamers with their new strix halo chips, mainly the mini PC market occupied by Apple's M4 mini. Intel and AMD are also fighting for the gaming handheld market and AMD could easily do well if they create a more power efficient chip rather than reusing chips from 4 years ago
I wish they would put the AI 395 MAX APU in a full size 16" laptop with decent cooling. Would be my ideal laptop. There's no need for a thin and light 14" laptop to do real work on.
@@yeshyk3694 I literally have a white 2023 zerphyrus G14, it runs too hot and cpu throttles clock speed when it hits over 98c. So I know first hand what you're saying is not true. I want something that'll run cool, so more cooling is better. There's no such thing as excess cooling, it'll simply run at a lower and quieter fan speed. I'd rather have extra cooling, than run it at the limit of it's cooling capbility, which most of these thin and light laptops will do when you run them at 100% load. A regular lenovo legion non-slim 16" laptop fits in my backpack just fine, I don't need to it to be any thinner and lighter.
I would like a laptop that's not "gamery", 14", decent/midrange gpu and not stupidly expensive. That unicorn may sadly never come to exist. Seems all laptop with just a 4060 in them must scream GAMER in their design. I just can comprehend why anyone past 12 years old would have those rgb sharp edged black abominations in their home. It's a travesty.
Thats why i bought a LOQ for 1000 eur with decent 13650HX and 4060. It looks like a laptop, not like a kids toy. Even my previous legion 2021 looked kinda decent (with rgb off). Sadly, 3D ryzen is out of my capabilities and even discounted 7950HX3D doesnt have enough performance to fully replace my 7800X3D. So why to waste 2500 eur for it if it costs the same like budget laptop + gaming desktop together and still doesnt have enough power to replace them both. If they released something with 3D 8-core and budget GPU, i would be satisfied but AMD said NO. So there is nothing to buy if you play CPU intensive games where GPU is half irrelevant (most esports).
I have a tablet because I can pair it with a corne keyboard and have a better typing experience in a light weight package. Powerful hand heads are awesome
Their claim of the Ryzen AI MAX being 2x as fast as the 4090 for LLM was so misleading. The model they used did not fit into the VRAM of the 4090, which is most certainly why it was slower than the Ryzen AI MAX
Yeah that's why we went very light on posting performance claims in this video. Judging from the audience reaction (gasps & applause), most of which are journalists, it shows just how little knowledge there is about AI Workloads.
Let me just say this: AMD has become a paper tiger. Announces awesome products but there's no retail stock/presence whatsoever. The only items which actually make it to shelves are desktop CPUs and desktop + handheld GPUs. Their laptops - "huh, whats an amd laptop?" are nonexistent and have been for 3+ years. I've tried to buy for years and they got nuthin.
Handhelds are super worth covering. Windows handhelds, not so much. Too many teething issues. But in a world of 5090 and AI, it's nice that people found a way to actually play their games and not focus on "4K Ultra 240fps 1% low HDR gaming"... That is well worth the coverage. (But maybe not continuously.)
All I'm interested in is that 3DVcach pair that with a nice AMD GPU or modest Nvidia card and you got yourself a beefy laptop also give the laptop the ability to upgrade the RAM and you have a winner. Plus I'm also irritated that they didn't mention any new GPU or if they mentioned if they're going to provide more laptop options for the RX 78/7900m
I hope that if you are going to cover windows handhelds you drop the bias against these devices. I'm actually watching this with my Legion Go, after playing BG3 so...
AMD laptops are great. They already have the fastest gaming processor on laptops. Yet, if availability has anything to do with it, 9955HX3D laptops are also gonna be extremely scarce, meaning Intel is gonna vastly outsell them with their 285HX lineup, even if it's not the fastest gaming CPU, similar situation to the 14900HX vs 7945HX3D right now.
Radeon 8060S iGPU produces more than 15 TFLOPS!! Insane for an iGPU. That is slightly above the Nvidia RTX 4060. Only the M4 Max iGPU does that, but with limits on gaming.
On the gaming handheld front I don't think AMD is strong relative to Intel: The Z2 Extreme is basically a cutdown HX370, so its gaming performance should be around the same at ISO power if you disable 4 Zen 5c cores. Lunar Lake matches or beats the HX 370 at low TDPs, check The Phawx MSI Claw 8's review. Later this year it will also have to fend against Panther Lake parts (it remains to be seen if Intel will release a 12 Xe part for Lower TDPs). Core Ultra 5 200V can target both Z2 and Z2 Go price brackets. While keeping the NPU (useful if Microsoft ever releases AutoSR for x86 systems). While Strix Halo is really impressive, AMD low power GPU implementations are severely starved on the memory bandwidth front.
My opinion about whole laptpp HX3D cpu from AMD…. The idea is nice But in the practice it will be almost not even visible by people It will be unobtanium paired o ly with top end gpus in the most fat laptops this series will have… I would love to see X3D mobile APU with like 8 CU of RDNA3/4 Cuz desktop x3d proven that it can actually boost even 2CU of iGPU to a nice level. So imagine 8CU RDNA4 boosted with X3D…. It would be amazing
eh handhelds are more or less the same performance wise, it's their features that set them apart from each other. Also AMD's chips have been blazing some trails in "gaming" heavy laptops and high performance lightweight laptops. I am using HP OMEN 7840HS laptop paired with RTX4070 (no Radeon GPUs available for this specs..)
My big question is will AMD bring back crossfire in a way? Nvidia had Maxiumus a few years ago for pros but AMD could do a similar thing here, with the on CPU GPU acting to handle the display portion (and maybe a few other processes) of the GPU pipeline and then all of VRAM and all of the power of a discrete GPU. With the dicrete GPU focusing on the Ai and 3D. This would give AMD's laptops with AMD APU + AMD GPU full destop level power.
Why are we showing laptop CPU benchmark results without naming the CPU's used in the laptop? I mean sure, we could all go look them up ourselves, sure, but isn't it a very basic service to just write them next to the benchmark results?
Big old nothingburger. Dragon range refresh. Rembrandt refresh refresh. Some handhelds. 1 Strix halo laptop. Almost more disappointing than last year because last year we knew nothing was coming.
Same here, I don't think so tbh 7800x3d is still very much chart topping, it still beats current gen Intel and even AMD (non x3d) in gaming Unless you absolutely need the best of the best, 7800x3d is still more than respectable.
looks like amd keeps doing the same with their arch. the ps5 pro uses rdna 2 as well. old tech that comes with a premium because amd claims they are new products. this shouldnt be allowed for companies to do.
ryzen 7000 and 8000 series are still really good even in 2025 , they can still compete with lunar lake when comes to performance and power efficiency But the naming and rebranding are a hot mess does AMD hire people who are intel fanboys to do the naming and marketing?
Please cover some more windows gaming handhelds. I have far too many non-Steam games for Steam OS to be a viable option. Also the lack of Anti-Cheat support is another big problem for me. I also like using Xbox Gamepass on my ROG Ally constantly.
The reality is that we are seeing the limits of tsmc. They cant supply apple, nvidia, intel and amd enough of these low nm chips. So amd is forced to use the higher nm chips in their line.
The AI Max 385 seems to be the most interesting processor outlined, at least to me. Double the CUs of the 890m, but with 8 cores instead of the ludicrous 16 core monsters above it. Stick one of those in a laptop, and you might have a real portable powerhouse on your hands.
rip these chips nvidia's new lineup gpu is much cheaper, 5070 is starting at $1300 compared to these would atleast starts at $1800 (their AI HX 370 is already at $1500)
AMD could do even better. They are just competing with themselves. It is stunning how fast they are pumping out new technologies, they could just hold everything
AMD isn't on my buy list, hasn't been for years. If they want to win back market share, they need to price themselves down like they used to be, at least 30% cheaper than Intel and I would even go lower than that.
There's so much demand for the A. MD top NCP u's the EU, not buying. It makes zero difference, because even in the two thousand dollar laptops, they're almost always sold out. Not to mention they're at least twenty percent faster, on average, versus intel while using a third of the power
pc handhelds are totally worth covering.
i used to be skeptical of windows handhelds myself, but then i picked up a legion go and now i game with it all the time.
I agree with this. I am turning 30 this year and there is something very seamless with just picking up my rog ally and playing for an hour on the couch inbetween plans and ''musts''
Absolutely but i would argue that the Legion Go is also a good Tablet as well, it has replaced my laptop for travel
@@antonlindborg8335
>seamless
>windows handheld
Pick 1
yes please start more handheld coverage, especially with steamos / bazzite. super excited at more steamos devices coming, and maybe even on arm devices too
I don't even have a laptop anymore. For the few times I need one I use my Legion Go with a folding bluetooth keyboard and trackpad. Battery life sucks but it's as powerful as any thin and light laptop when I'm not gaming on it. The 1600p display even makes sense when I use it that way too.
Yes I think they should too
Especially because they'll get even better
They can dominate all they want on the laptop side, but if the availability keeps on being inexistant, like its been for years now, it won't matter
True, I don't understand why reviewers create hype for something that never gets translated to the real world.
Then they aint dominating shit, lets stop calling something that doesn't even exist, which is a shame, would love an AMD laptop, but only thing in the market at reasonable prices is either 5000 series refurbished amd or Intel at any flavor. In other words, AMD is not dominating jackshit if it's a fucking unicorn.
Yeah that's what I said at the end. They need supply, not just fancy tech demos
Huh, so no actual product on shelf isn't Australia only.. damn, why even announce these AMD?
11:00 for those who need to comment before viewing the whole video ..
held out on getting an M4 Pro MacBook Pro and having to learn to use macOS so very happy to see all of the laptops that I will get to choose from this year!
The Ryzen AI Max is a new category of x86 APU offering. I think we will see more APUs of this kind from both AMD and Intel (if they decide to launch this kind of APU) in the future.
9800hx3d will remain in our dreams, such a Miss opportunity
Those ai max chips should be in mini pc's from beelink and others by the end of the year. Those peoducts are going to be SO COOL! Imagine a desktop the size of a mac mini with these chips running off a 100w usb-c brick. Ultimate travel workstation! Ive already got a 120hz 3k oled portable, and plenty of small mouse/keyboard options. Im ready to trade in the old 7940hs!
You’d rather travel with a mini pc and keyboard/mouse than a laptop with the same chip?
@CitAllHearItAll depends on the power budget of the laptop. At 45w, I'm not interested. Power limiting apu's causes massive frame time variability which ruins gameplay and makes rending a chore. Plus, I mainly need sustained performance for rendering and cad work. Laptops work fine, but I'm always at my desktop. If I can have a little mac-mini sized PC I can put in a backpack and run off the 12v in my car and anywhere else I go off USB, it becomes just as useful as the laptop to me. Mac mini+ small OLED+ USB brick is super portable, even compared to the laptop
There was a dude that modified a Mac mini to run off of power over ethernet, I wish the same guy or someone else could do a similar modification to make a USB-C powered Mac mini lol.
At 1200 USD for a mini PC (HX 370), no thank you 😢
AMD's press release was AWFUL. All AI slop that no one cares about.
Shareholders do and that's what the current market is about.. not siding with that but they just gotta be generic like the rest of them
I wanna talk shit about AI but I got a lot of money from investing in AI bullshit last year lol
There's a whole video here of things people should care about
😶
Hmm yes...
"No one"
On paper Hawk Point looked to have the same specs as Phoenix, but it actually does 15% better in tests and is very efficient as a U class CPU.
These have been available as an 8c under €600 which is a very comfy option for a lightweight quiet laptop to travel with.
It's not fair to call Hawk Point a rebrand, the design fixed issues in Phoenix.
I'd love to see your coverage on all of AMD's APUs
Z2 non extreme should’ve at least got 880m.
The thing I don't understand, is why I can't get an ASUS laptop with the best in class gaming CPU (X3D) paired with a high end GPU. Why is ASUS once again only offering 5080/5090 with the Intel models??? Wtf?
MSI is offering 5090's with AMD.
@@HardwareCanucks asus helping intel not die , for $
Please start covering the PC handheld gaming space. I'm interested in getting one. Your gaming laptop videos have been my essential resource in deciding on the Lenovo Slim 5 14
All of this would be good if AMD laptops were broadly available at launch time, which never happens. Say what you want about Intel laptops but actually being able to buy them is not a problem...
Yeah that's what I inferred at the end
Strix point launched and there are laptops to buy. „Never happens“ is a weird call.
Got my wifey Z S 14 258V notebook for USD1,500, she is happy as is into photo editing and that OLED is perfect, plus light to carry. Myself, I am waiting for HX 370/375 from Elitebook or ThinkPads 13/14" in order to consider upgrading my Elitebook 7840U/32GB; for me keyboard matters a lot but am hoping for much better battery life.
Today my 16-core 32-thread 5950 PC went down (power supply may have burned out), so I fired up my 10-core 20-thread AI hx365 laptop to kubernetes in a VM and download steam and watch videos all at once and I really can't tell the difference, these Ryzen AI Zen5 CPUs are BEASTLY.
I'm very much looking forward to your experience with the Z13! I also hope that Asus has improved the XG mobile since launching it.
I'm also honestly hoping that Asus will update the ProArt P16 with Strix Halo.
I WANT AN ALL AMD BEAST THIS YEAR, DAMNIT!!!
All I want is a 14" OLED thin and light notebook with Strix Halo and 64GB+ of RAM. 🤤
Same here, my use case is hitting those 32gb memory
7:15 it would be really cool if you guys reviewed the windows gaming handheld.
The issue with the 9955HX3D is that it suffers from the same core parking issue as the 7950X3D and 9950X3D. Since only half the cores get 3D-VCache and not to mention it's a laptop so you can't really fix that, it seems like the 285HX will be faster than the 9955HX3D like how the 14900HX was faster than the 7945HX3D. AMD says it's too expensive to have dual V-Cache CCDs but this is honestly a big letdown.
The problem would be solved simply by 9800HX3D but they are too greedy to release it.
@@schabigerlump That's what I was thinking. AMD never misses a chance to miss an opportunity
SteamDeckOS on a Z2 Extreme handheld would be my dream. Windows handhelds like the Legion Go was such a disappointment, and I had to return it and went back to my supposedly weaker/cheaper OG Steam Deck and it was just a smoother, seamless gaming experience, especially on game suspend/restore which is a must on any handheld gaming device. I can only imagine what kind of performance we'd get with a much beefier SoC than the very outdated chip in the Deck.
Can't wait also cover the handheld market too 🙏
Handeld PCs are the most exciting thing you could cover this year
I cannot wait for a steam deck 2 with an X3D chip. Love my steam deck and my 7800X3D/7900XT gaming PC.
8-core X3D with 50 CU RDNA4 chip would be way better and more rounded chip. Odd such APU doesn't have X3D cache though.
Very strong product line but missing more stuff maybe they are limited by manufacturing capacity and not marketing strix halo for gaming is a mistake.
Imagine a strix halo mini pc ... 🤔
The gaming handheld space isn't going to be about Windows for long. Hardware manufacturers can see the writing on the wall. Personally I think Steam OS handhelds will be the next big thing in gaming. It has the potential to bring in all those Nintendo switch normies.
the 350 is a scam that'll lose to the 260 / 8845h. no reason why strix point couldnt directly replace hawk point, other than greed
totally worth covering. please do!
They gonna be expensive that the m4 max laptops
AMD could dominate the iGPU market for budget gamers with their new strix halo chips, mainly the mini PC market occupied by Apple's M4 mini. Intel and AMD are also fighting for the gaming handheld market and AMD could easily do well if they create a more power efficient chip rather than reusing chips from 4 years ago
I wish they would put the AI 395 MAX APU in a full size 16" laptop with decent cooling. Would be my ideal laptop. There's no need for a thin and light 14" laptop to do real work on.
You get diminishing returns with power and 14" laptops can cool >120W anyways, see Zephyrus G14 '23
@@yeshyk3694 I literally have a white 2023 zerphyrus G14, it runs too hot and cpu throttles clock speed when it hits over 98c. So I know first hand what you're saying is not true. I want something that'll run cool, so more cooling is better. There's no such thing as excess cooling, it'll simply run at a lower and quieter fan speed. I'd rather have extra cooling, than run it at the limit of it's cooling capbility, which most of these thin and light laptops will do when you run them at 100% load. A regular lenovo legion non-slim 16" laptop fits in my backpack just fine, I don't need to it to be any thinner and lighter.
I would like a laptop that's not "gamery", 14", decent/midrange gpu and not stupidly expensive.
That unicorn may sadly never come to exist.
Seems all laptop with just a 4060 in them must scream GAMER in their design. I just can comprehend why anyone past 12 years old would have those rgb sharp edged black abominations in their home. It's a travesty.
Thats why i bought a LOQ for 1000 eur with decent 13650HX and 4060. It looks like a laptop, not like a kids toy. Even my previous legion 2021 looked kinda decent (with rgb off). Sadly, 3D ryzen is out of my capabilities and even discounted 7950HX3D doesnt have enough performance to fully replace my 7800X3D. So why to waste 2500 eur for it if it costs the same like budget laptop + gaming desktop together and still doesnt have enough power to replace them both. If they released something with 3D 8-core and budget GPU, i would be satisfied but AMD said NO. So there is nothing to buy if you play CPU intensive games where GPU is half irrelevant (most esports).
if strix halo is so strong, why manufacturers keep implementing it in gameboy's format computer's only ?
hope amd works on availbility this time
Why there's always so few AMD units available in the market?
@@IvoPavlikSince data centers, where they have much higher profit margins, are saturating their production capacity.
Are you rocking the Lenovo Slim 7x?
Agreed with the ending. What's great tech good for when you cannot buy it anywhere?
I have a tablet because I can pair it with a corne keyboard and have a better typing experience in a light weight package. Powerful hand heads are awesome
I like AMD for competing hard with intel but im a bit sick of their marketing. It's not consumer friendly.
It was in 2 laptops. C'mon now.
Their claim of the Ryzen AI MAX being 2x as fast as the 4090 for LLM was so misleading. The model they used did not fit into the VRAM of the 4090, which is most certainly why it was slower than the Ryzen AI MAX
Yeah that's why we went very light on posting performance claims in this video. Judging from the audience reaction (gasps & applause), most of which are journalists, it shows just how little knowledge there is about AI Workloads.
good, nvidia doesnt give vram anyways
Let me just say this: AMD has become a paper tiger. Announces awesome products but there's no retail stock/presence whatsoever.
The only items which actually make it to shelves are desktop CPUs and desktop + handheld GPUs. Their laptops - "huh, whats an amd laptop?" are nonexistent and have been for 3+ years. I've tried to buy for years and they got nuthin.
Handhelds are super worth covering. Windows handhelds, not so much. Too many teething issues.
But in a world of 5090 and AI, it's nice that people found a way to actually play their games and not focus on "4K Ultra 240fps 1% low HDR gaming"... That is well worth the coverage.
(But maybe not continuously.)
any laptop with ryzen 9 and an AMD GPU?
Yeah handhheld rock!!!😊
Yes please for handheld devices
9:03 132 threads is crazy
All I'm interested in is that 3DVcach pair that with a nice AMD GPU or modest Nvidia card and you got yourself a beefy laptop also give the laptop the ability to upgrade the RAM and you have a winner. Plus I'm also irritated that they didn't mention any new GPU or if they mentioned if they're going to provide more laptop options for the RX 78/7900m
I can't wait to see what companies like Minisforum do (Minisforum V4!!!). Give me USB4 (complete version), some USB-A, Ethernet, and a decent dGPU.
AMD gotta ramp up the supply!
Where TF is Phantek's Evolv case that they showed at CES last year?
Haven't finished video yet but I'm gonna put it out there that there's no such thing an amd laptop if it has an amd cpu but an nvidia or Intel GPU
AMD have been cooking this naming mess up for the last few years it is so difficult to recommend anything now from AMD.
I hope that if you are going to cover windows handhelds you drop the bias against these devices. I'm actually watching this with my Legion Go, after playing BG3 so...
Will Strix Halo compete with MacBook in terms of Battery/Performance Ratio? (for Video editing)
Likely but not in Performance per Watt or battery life.
@@HardwareCanucks Thanks! I guess I'll just wait for M5 Macbooks next year :D
Yay for handhelds
just dont get a Dell version, they are throttling so bad and loaded with crapware that slwos them down.
Issue is that Dell has one of the best long-term driver supports. It's a double edged sword. Crapware but longer support.
@nitrologly fxk them and support. Whats that worth when laptop runs like utter trash majority of the time.
AMD laptops are great. They already have the fastest gaming processor on laptops. Yet, if availability has anything to do with it, 9955HX3D laptops are also gonna be extremely scarce, meaning Intel is gonna vastly outsell them with their 285HX lineup, even if it's not the fastest gaming CPU, similar situation to the 14900HX vs 7945HX3D right now.
So ryzen 8000 series which was a 7000 ai rebrand is now 250? I'm lost... So confusing lol
the guy in charge of their naming convention needs to be fired YESTERDAY
Radeon 8060S iGPU produces more than 15 TFLOPS!! Insane for an iGPU. That is slightly above the Nvidia RTX 4060. Only the M4 Max iGPU does that, but with limits on gaming.
AMD needs to get stronger in the GPU space
On the gaming handheld front I don't think AMD is strong relative to Intel: The Z2 Extreme is basically a cutdown HX370, so its gaming performance should be around the same at ISO power if you disable 4 Zen 5c cores.
Lunar Lake matches or beats the HX 370 at low TDPs, check The Phawx MSI Claw 8's review. Later this year it will also have to fend against Panther Lake parts (it remains to be seen if Intel will release a 12 Xe part for Lower TDPs). Core Ultra 5 200V can target both Z2 and Z2 Go price brackets. While keeping the NPU (useful if Microsoft ever releases AutoSR for x86 systems).
While Strix Halo is really impressive, AMD low power GPU implementations are severely starved on the memory bandwidth front.
hoping we get a ASUS TUF A14 with Ryzen AI Max 395 at 120W full power.
Thanks to Intel there are no AMD X3D chips paired with Nvidia top end GPUs.
I'm waiting for an updated Minisforum Windows Tablet with these. Has anyone heard anything?
My opinion about whole laptpp HX3D cpu from AMD….
The idea is nice
But in the practice it will be almost not even visible by people
It will be unobtanium paired o ly with top end gpus in the most fat laptops this series will have…
I would love to see X3D mobile APU with like 8 CU of RDNA3/4
Cuz desktop x3d proven that it can actually boost even 2CU of iGPU to a nice level.
So imagine 8CU RDNA4 boosted with X3D…. It would be amazing
i need that max igpu in thinkpad
eh handhelds are more or less the same performance wise, it's their features that set them apart from each other.
Also AMD's chips have been blazing some trails in "gaming" heavy laptops and high performance lightweight laptops. I am using HP OMEN 7840HS laptop paired with RTX4070 (no Radeon GPUs available for this specs..)
Why is everyone copying Apple with the Max and Pro language? As soon as I see that it turns me off of a product
i hope X13 2025 using same CPU with Z13
My big question is will AMD bring back crossfire in a way? Nvidia had Maxiumus a few years ago for pros but AMD could do a similar thing here, with the on CPU GPU acting to handle the display portion (and maybe a few other processes) of the GPU pipeline and then all of VRAM and all of the power of a discrete GPU. With the dicrete GPU focusing on the Ai and 3D. This would give AMD's laptops with AMD APU + AMD GPU full destop level power.
the dang naming sceme
Why are we showing laptop CPU benchmark results without naming the CPU's used in the laptop? I mean sure, we could all go look them up ourselves, sure, but isn't it a very basic service to just write them next to the benchmark results?
Z2 Go is just a cut down 6800U.
Yeah, but chances are, you can still cook an egg on those laptops.
Big old nothingburger. Dragon range refresh. Rembrandt refresh refresh. Some handhelds. 1 Strix halo laptop. Almost more disappointing than last year because last year we knew nothing was coming.
Strix halo!!!!!
I already have ryzen 7800x3d, should i upgrade to ryzen 9 9950x3d
Same here, I don't think so tbh
7800x3d is still very much chart topping, it still beats current gen Intel and even AMD (non x3d) in gaming
Unless you absolutely need the best of the best, 7800x3d is still more than respectable.
Not worth it for what you gain.
Yes, yes, you must upgrade to 9950x3d. 7800x3d is 2 yrs old. Think of how hard AMD worked in those 2 yrs on AI marketing alone!
If you are only gaming, no. If you need productivity performance, definitely.
No handhelds please
9955hx3d has no 5090 models................................................
looks like amd keeps doing the same with their arch. the ps5 pro uses rdna 2 as well. old tech that comes with a premium because amd claims they are new products. this shouldnt be allowed for companies to do.
No Lisa Su in CES. That was terrible
ryzen 7000 and 8000 series are still really good even in 2025 , they can still compete with lunar lake when comes to performance and power efficiency
But the naming and rebranding are a hot mess
does AMD hire people who are intel fanboys to do the naming and marketing?
340 and 350 mini pc hmmm?
Halo would be nice for a small gaming HTPC and Steam.
It will be very expensive.
Please cover the Z2Extreme .
9:57 One of the most hideous looking devices I've seen....
Please cover some more windows gaming handhelds. I have far too many non-Steam games for Steam OS to be a viable option. Also the lack of Anti-Cheat support is another big problem for me. I also like using Xbox Gamepass on my ROG Ally constantly.
But did AMD fix the monstrous power draw in HX chips ? Hope to see better battery life in this lineup
They never had^^
The reality is that we are seeing the limits of tsmc. They cant supply apple, nvidia, intel and amd enough of these low nm chips. So amd is forced to use the higher nm chips in their line.
Feels like apple is paying a premium to get first dibs and then it gets very competitive between the other companies
In my opinion multi threaded perf is overrated.
Canucks but zeee instead off zeed,
These names are Soooooo Dog PoPo
The AI Max 385 seems to be the most interesting processor outlined, at least to me. Double the CUs of the 890m, but with 8 cores instead of the ludicrous 16 core monsters above it. Stick one of those in a laptop, and you might have a real portable powerhouse on your hands.
rip these chips
nvidia's new lineup gpu is much cheaper, 5070 is starting at $1300
compared to these would atleast starts at $1800 (their AI HX 370 is already at $1500)
They didn't mention the laptop prices so how did you know?
@@fadellabadi533 look up asus rog flow z13 price
5070 is 540$ no?
NVIDIA doesn’t even offer these types of chips wtf are you saying hahah
@@KillaGorilla-l7z laptops with nvidia's rtx 5070 is starting at $1300 compared to this AMD's ai max apus
AMD could do even better. They are just competing with themselves. It is stunning how fast they are pumping out new technologies, they could just hold everything
AMD isn't on my buy list, hasn't been for years. If they want to win back market share, they need to price themselves down like they used to be, at least 30% cheaper than Intel and I would even go lower than that.
There's so much demand for the A. MD top NCP u's the EU, not buying. It makes zero difference, because even in the two thousand dollar laptops, they're almost always sold out.
Not to mention they're at least twenty percent faster, on average, versus intel while using a third of the power
Windows handhelds are here because Android is atrocious. SteamOS for everything can't come soon enough