honestly a spot where apple has an advantage over windows laptops. simplified product lineup is better for the average consumer. get a macbook air for most people & macbook pro for those doing "creative work"
Sucks apple charges so much for increaes in ram or storage, and GPU is terrible for the price. I look forward to the chips designed for AI like TPUs the chipmakers have on roadmaps, it'll be really useful to run offline AI without crashing
yep hardest tech to buy from my POV. What else is harder than something very technical? I can spec desktops on any budget easily but this...nope no idea. In my country Denmark Lenovo seems to be cheap for money through.
@@chinesesparrows yeah pricing on apple is significantly higher. They hold their value longer though. Also I find macs to be more reliable than windows laptops even high ends.
It seems like AMD has some secret sauce to really make x86 efficient while still maintaining full compatability. It's crazy how good AMD products are these days.
@@anistardi bla bla bla..cinebench artificially caps Apple Silicon by not using arm v9 intrinsics. Its not even close the real cb2024 score for a m3max is 1900-2000. Nothing comes even remotely close to that. And its plain simple down to ARM v8-v9 ISA being superior in every way to x86. There is nothing that can save x86 just get over it
@@RK-um9tu macbook is more efficient than windows laptop thats nothing new everyone knows that but the comparison between different windows laptops was interesting
@RK-um9tu well, more efficient is not always what the users want, this was the first video about X Elite, where a actually get usable data what is the difference between x86 Windows and ARM Windows (both performance and power consumption graphs separetly was great, everyone can decide which one is more importat for them.. and get the answer what he can expect with that kind of laptop)
@@FlorinArjocu The only thing that concerns me about the new Intel system is their overall multi-core performance because they limited hyperthreading and a few of the high-powered cores
@@SasquatchsCousin33 i doubt it. Intel doesnt have much experience nor backbone on APU designing and manufacturing AMD has that to cook Zen 1s CPUs and APUs using their already existing expertise from the A-series APUs
Yeah. Definitely worth waiting for next week for Ryzen AI laptop reviews. 8840HS is basically a 1.5 year old chip. They just added the first gen NPU in 7840HS. Ryzen AI (Zen 5) is actually a new chip.
Lunar lake is going to only have 4 big cores + 4 small cores. Going to be significantly behind both AMD and Qualcomm in CPU heavy multithreaded tasks. But their new iGPU seems good (close to AMDs new one, almost 2x faster than Qualcomm) and single thread perf and battery efficiency are good (if you trust Intel’s marketing material).
I've been a PC guy all my life and still am to this day. I bought an M1 Macbook Air 2 years ago. While the Snapdragon laptops are a valiant effort, Apple is still leagues ahead. I do love the competition though and ARM on Windows is a great thing for the future of portable PCs.
Great video team. Good to see such thorough testing! It seems that your findings were somewhat similar to ours Its going to be very interesting to see whether these are still relevant when AMD Zen 5 launches this Sunday!
@@PKperformanceEU well... this demonstrate how these CPU can run x86 code. and the impact of the emulation to achieve it. remember that x86 is offering additional instruction sets and offering more integrated calculations where an ARM (RISC) required a lot of calculation to achieve them. like calculating the COS is integrated in a x86 CPU requiring a single command to execute it while must be evaluated on ARM through multiple passes and formulas.
@@willgart1 thats bullshit. Arm has more powerful Intrinsics and better fp int registers. Arm has NEON SVE SVE2 SME up to 2048bit SIMD. You heard something and now you think you know everything you talk nonsense. R23 uses ZERO Arm SIMD. 2024 doesn’t use SME and SVE2 probably not even SVE just NEON. Otherwise a m3max would score up to OC 14700K 1900-2000score
Great video! the one I was looking for in a while... Thanks! I think im going to stick with my 15" M2 and my linux based desktop workstation for some time 😂
The most amazing results here for me are in relation to the Zen4 AMD mobile processors. If we are getting that much efficiency with current gen X86 AMD CPUs, just imagine the greatness of Zen5.... Also, what's the point of sacrificing APP compatibility for an extra hour or two of battery life by going with ARM?
AMD has the hardware to compete. What AMD lacks is software support for its graphics. Many of the creator tools are optimized for Intel and Nvidia GPUs. Strix Point (Zen 5 with RDNA 3.5) is coming out on the same node soon (TSMC 4nm) but it will also come later with 3nm so AMD will be ahead of Snapdragon. Intel is also coming up with Lunar Lake as well with TSMC 3nm and Battlemage graphics. It’s gonna be interesting to see how that one performs and improves on Intel’s inefficiency.
That's becoz the laptops being used don't clearly show the potential of the X elite platform. Microsoft Surface Laptop with X Elite goes the extra mile hard in term of video playback battery life, and web browsing. So, no, there r clearly some battery life advantage in the X elite platform just need OEM that can tweak their laptops enough to get that extra juice.
@@RidwanGosal the same can be said for other platforms. OEMs don’t care enough to optimize their devices and keep drivers and software updated. Qualcomm itself doesn’t have a good track record of supporting their SOCs for the long term when it comes to smartphones. Heck even the developer kits aren’t sent out yet and X Elite laptops are already out in the market.
Awesome video, it must have taken a lot of time and effort! Just a little thing to point out. Resolution also affects power consumption so the laptops with higher native resolution will consume more, so I would have appreciated the resolution nest to the laptop name in the power consumption graph at around @13:30
Yes, that is correct, reason why HP is really great as it is lowest resolution in tested Arm machines. I saw test when it delivered 27hrs of YT playback on 40% brightnes (not measured nits) Crazy... I Have Surface Pro 11 becouse I love that form factor. It immediatelly replaced my 14" M1 MBP as daily driver. Except few small utility apps, everything I using is native arm, and those small x86 ones runs great. I have only base model, but I do not see benefit from Elite version as it is even more powerfull than my MBP for tasks I doing. For that money it is crazy good device, I keeping my MBP just in case when I will miss to use MacOS (I have iterations when I want to use it, same as for Windows 11), except Total Commander, which is used only as FTP client to my personal site for last few years, I using SW which is on Win and Mac...so Im not limited with OS. It is first Windows machine with more than enough perfromance for my needs, which stay silent mostly all day long in my usage. Only fast charging will kick fans at lowest speed, and maybe Teams meeting with 40% NPU usage (portrait blur, framing, eye contanct and voice isolation). And it stays 12-14hrs of video playback or 10-12hrs general use and web browsing. So mostly same as my MBP
First comprehensive plataform comparison I've seen. I have been waiting for this. Great stuff. The current Ryzen is really impressive. Can't wait for Zen 5.
Doing a ”definite review” just a couple of days before AMD’s big Ryzen AI (Zen 5) laptop launch is bad timing. I guess we can blame AMD for delaying the Ryzen AI launch by 2 weeks. Must suck to redo all AMD data. Chip should have been out already.
I wouldn’t be calling Ryzen 8840HS a new processor. It’s practically a slightly tweaked 7840HS, which is already 1.5 years old. And going to be replaced with Ryzen AI next week. We have been waiting long time for AMD to ship a real refresh for 7840HS. That CPU was fine 1.5 years ago, but it’s not up to date anymore.
Ryzen AI has 50% more CPU cores and 33% bigger GPU. The most common review laptop had just 28W TDP. 20% lower than last gen and it still beats the last gen. For bigger generationsl perf bumps, you need to wait for higher TDP laptops. NPU in both AMD and Qualcomm SoCs is indeed useless right now. Most AI workloads run in cloud. Local AI workloads are not common and even those local workloads that exist don’t use these NPUs yet.
X Elite is a great CPU, but for Qualcomm to compete with Apple in energy efficiency, they need to halve the CPU power and make significant investments in GPU drivers and performance. Apple must have a team of amazing chip designers to create such impressive fanless laptops.
The best comparison and review I've seen so far of these systems. You put SO much work into your reviews, and editing and presentation is super comfortable. Thanks man!
18:29 this blender result is probably due the fact these arm cores doesn't support Scalable Vector Extension (SVE), only NEON. So probably, blender is trying to use AVX2 or AVX512 and the Microsoft prism is having to use multiple NEON instructions to emulate one AVX2/AVX512 instruction. Or maybe even worse, failing to detect AVX, and falling back to non-vector instructions.
I will be waiting for strix point, M4 and lunar lake all coming out, watch reviews and comparisons between all 4 processor, before I decide what to buy by the end of the year. Snapdragon compatibility issues with pro software and games is a major issue, it's off the list from get go, and likely not able compete with m4, lunar lake and strixpoint regarding performance and efficiency.
I also found it weird. I tested them in a shop and Surface Laptop 7 has way better build quality. And in the US the base model is quite good value for 999 USD - especially that people can replace the SSD with a 1TB one for around 90 USD, or 2TB one for 250 USD.
@@leakyabstraction the surface model is the best one between the snapdragon laptops, I guess they just don't have sponsorship with them or can't buy the laptop which is weird ...
@@HardwareCanucks I think the video would've been objectively a lot more interesting if you had the best overall snapdragon laptop included, would've been worth the investment imo. Keep up the good work anyways 👍
The Lenovo Yoga Slim 7X's OLED display actually gets up to 1000 nits of brightness in HDR mode, which this review doesn't cover. It's display really is best in class. Meanwhile, I feel HP has been quite sneaky with how it cut corners in the Omnibook X. It's display is dim and just won't fair well in bright daylight. That's a huge dealbreaker for an thin and light laptop. Also sounds like they cut corners with storage performance too. As for the design, it's very generic and uninspired. Not impressed with that HP at all. To me the Lenovo Yoga Slim 7X is far better in almost every way, and is the option I'd buy if targeting a Snapdragon laptop.
On the offline video playback battery test, the video decoding on VLC was very likely using software, so it hampered the Intel CPUs hard as they had to keep the CPU tile awake. The Dell even improved when playing video from the browser (which has hardware video decoding). Even then, Intel missed hard with their tiled design. Its fairly hard to get good battery life out of it. Furthermore, this speaks amazingly about the low-load power efficiency of the SDXE. Nonetheless, if the test had been done on a video player with hardware acceleration the results would likely have been closer.
It used to be that Apple products were much more expensive and slower. Now they are about the same price but perform easily better in most situations. No doubt they aren't cheap. But ultra slim laptops are not cheap to begin with, and a Macbook air is more than enough for 98% of the population in terms of performance.
@@DonLee1980yeah only music, photos and videos but not 3D, ML, Scientific Research and AI and in those works Apple is considered not good I have been in 3d and VFX works and most of the people hate apple products and even in software developement people use other brands laptops with Linux in them not apple, apple is just a overhyped products nothing else
So an 8 core M3 still wipes the floor with these in many cases, dang.. Really hope more driver updates come our way and improve efficiency. That's the main reason I shy away from Intel; by the looks of it, currently I'll be better off with AMD for Windows and stick to my MacBook for on the go productivity.
so, in a thin and light laptop if intel can fix battery life they really will be providing the best of both world. Impressive what amd has done. Honestly with how lunar lake and new strix point are just around the corner. Was windows on arm rlly a necessity?
Yes, because the battery tests here are really bad at showcasing day to day battery life. The main issue with curent x86 chips is that they have no fine tuned control over power delivery, meaning under a particial load, efficiency sucks, like singlecore workloads. This creates huge Powerspikes, just reloading a web page will get current x86 chips to insane powerdraw rates like 20w or more for a brief moment, which adds up, because their short singlecore boosts are inefficient. That is why in a web surfing test as an example. where a script constantly browses certain websites, the battery life difference is a lot bigger, because of these short powerspikes.
Such an expensive video. Very comprehensive. thanks. This ARM fight is interesting. It's seems that x86 advantages are legacy's advantages. I think Qualcomm did a good job. they have room for improvement and it looks promising. Apple is always committed to make the design their advantage.
I believe the issue is where the Qualcomm chips were scaled from. Nuvia was building ARM server chips which they scaled down to laptops, whilst Apple scaled their mobile/tablet chips to a laptop die. That makes the power draw understandable in this generation, but I hope they get a lot more efficient.
would love to see a test where you just close the lid of the laptop and comeback maybe 1 week/ a few days later and just see how much the battery has dropped , or if it could even be turned on without needing to be charged.
Increasing the single-core performance takes the most R&D and Apple is miles ahead in that, especially with the M4. Apple achieved this despite the clock speed remaining the same, by changing the architecture of the CPU. This is something that Android and Windows-side chipmakers, who are often perceived as subpar, would never do because they don't tend to make any architectural changes at all, especially Intel. These manufacturers only know how to add more cores and increase clock speed.
Your laptop selection is very incoherent. Non of the chosen models have similar battery capacity or CPU watt limit or similar price. Like I know you can't have too many laptops but surely there should be some form of logic when comparing laptops. Makes no sense at all.
this comparison shows that AMD is now striking the balance between performance, power efficiency and price and that is more impressive than m3 and X elite great video!!
This is such a fantastic video for a .... I would say ... semi-tech-nerd.... like me. Includes enough information to understand the differences but doesn't get into too much data and jargon which makes choosing a laptop more confusing (that it already is).
My Takeaway - M3 Macbook Air shats on everything. Other OEMs can compete only on price. - X Elite delivers for everyday performance, but we need to wait till affordable SKUs are avaiable in 700 to 1000$ range. - You are not missing much by sticking with x86 for immediate needs - XPS 13 is an abomination in all dimesions. Hope every reviewer includes them in comparsion to shame Dell for what they have done to the beloved XPS Line
All pretty much accurate, except Apple shiz on the future of tech in general with their proprietary, over-priced anti-rtr wedge. Supporting them is a nail in everyone's coffin.
@@newolde1 , unless we get something like System76 and framework get big, it's going to be that way. At my work, we had Ubuntu Laptops for few years, they migrated to Macbooks because of Administration and performance issues.
Since power is highly dependent on each laptop manufacturer, A better term would be "their performance per watt is no better than x86 CPUs". But a lot of this has to do with the lack of optimizations within windows.
Apple didn't use ARM because it is inherently more efficient than x86. It is not. ISA pretty much doesn't matter in terms of performance or efficiency. Apple is using ARM because their phone SoCs were already using it, so they had a license they could use. Not to mention that it is pretty much impossible to get an x86 license from Intel and AMD. People corrected you on this on another Snapdragon video and you still make this false claim. Edit: People, just go watch Jim Keller interviews, read articles on chipsandcheese like "Why X86 doesn't need to die" or just read the paper called "Power Struggles: Revisiting the RISC vs. CISC Debate on Contemporary ARM and x86 Architectures "
That doesn’t appear to be true. According to Intel engineers Apples final straw was Skylake’s abysmal quality so Apple went all in on designing their own chips. They looked at the options and in the end decided to upscale their A-chips as that was the quickest solution to dump Intel. So the real reason was Intel was awful and Apple was big enough and bright enough to just dump them and trust in its own abilities.
@@andyH_England Well yes, that is why Apple chose to even create their own laptop SoC. But what I said is true in regards to why they went with ARM specifically.
Unless I'm mistaken, ARM's simplified instruction set allows for more compact implementations on the hardware level, allowing for smaller chips/die sizes. Node shrinks do the same thing though.
If arm isn’t more efficient than x86. Then why have they been so shit at heat and efficiency until literally just now? Because regardless of what you say, public perception is arm is efficient and x86 is not. So you’re telling me they could’ve been better this whole time but they just chose to be ass?
@@christianr.5868Yeah, kind of actually. Only AMD and Intel produce x86 chips. AMD was ass for most of the 2010s and Intel has been ass since 2015. Also keep in mind that Apple already had been using ARM cpus in their iphones for a long time before their M chips, and they get the access to the latest nodes from TSMC, which has been much better at chip production than Intel for around a decade now
Great video. When presenting the chart results, you should have selected a different color for the ARM laptops, for easier identification (cyan, yellow or any other)
Thank you for the amazing video. I really appreciate your hard work. Keep up the good work. This is what make you guys different from other tech youtubers
Simply buy M2 Pro MacBook Pros in a sale and you're set for 5-6 years. You get all the goodness of M3s and with added cooling, miniLED display, better speakers and better battery life, what more do we need?
Set for what ? Can't do gaming or any 3D or AI workloads. Snapdragon does everything it does but better and for cheaper And if i want to do gaming+3d+AI AMD+nvidia beats everything I don't see Apple laptops as a consideration in any scenario
AMD Strix Point laptops are coming in less than a week and promise some noticeable improvements in many areas. This review seems to be a bit too early to properly represent laptops which be available for "back to school" this year.
Fabulous review. But you missed out on including Surface Laptop 7 which is perhaps best tuned for Snapdragon X Elite out of all the Copilot+ PCs. Its performance on battery and on power is not very different. I would love to see a similar deep-dive comparison between MBA M3 and Surface Laptop 7 (with SD X Plus) showing power figures.
X elite gen 2 will be great! For now I dont really need a laptop, since I have an i5 10th gen 16 GB 2021 Dell latitude wich does just fine with basic tasks like power point, word, net browswing and watchin Netflix/youtube. The battery is fine, nothing amazing but gets the job done. Putting that aside, my next laptop will surely be an ARM-based one (I mean in like 2-3 years, but still😂)
Unfortunately I did not ever had any need for a laptop. I am always going with a flexible, silent and compact passive silent PC or Mini PC. I always demand a full Displayport at any PC for connecting advanced monitors. No need for HDMI, for connecting to a TV set.😅
The "co-pilot" laptops were not put on the market early because of AI, that's just not correct. They were put out early because Apple's M-Series SoC laptops are eating up the Windows laptop market share. I despise Apple, but the M-Series laptops are the 800 lb gorilla in the room right now, and Windows, Bill Gates, AMD and Intel have all had "come to Jesus" moments and they understand that Apple could bankrupt Windows laptop manufacturers. The ONLY thing that has saved Windows laptops is that they are optimized for gaming, the MacBook laptops are fairly pathetic at gaming. So, gaming consumers have kept Windows laptops afloat right now. All of the Windows laptop manufacturers have told Intel, Microsoft, AMD to get their heads out of their a ss and produce SoC or CPUs + discrete GPUs that have great performance and battery life, and they are solid, well-built and reliable. You can bet that Asus, HP, Lenovo and other laptop manufacturers have been screaming at Intel and AMD for making laptops that have almost no battery life and heat up and sound like jet engines when they are running. All the while, MacBooks are MORE powerful, have extraordinary battery life, and will run nearly silent most of the time.
Thanks for the effort, great video, but i feel like vivobook s15 different setups (snapdragon, ryzen, core ultra) are better for a fair comparison, some laptops have smaller screen, less battery capacity.... but the video is great for people buying a laptop these days. for me i feel like the vivobook s15 is a good choice.
One question- Lenova Yoga 7i 2-1 16 ram 1 T SSD. AMD 8840 or Intel 155u. You can probably tell I have very limited tech knowledge. Mostly used for MS Office and you tubes. Any help is appreciated.
Great video. You can see that Qualcomm is where Apple was 3 years ago though I'm surprised Adobe hasn't use the Apple ARM ports for Qualcomm Snapdragons. Well done for showing the non-compatible benchmarks though Cinebench/Blender GPU should be noted as not working (we need to see the strikeouts to paint a better picture of SDs maturity). For Mac game frame rates; use the Metal HUD & it may be worth adding game titles under GPTK2.
Great Job Guy! Best Video on the Topic i've seen so far. Kudos for "doing it right" and not releasing a hype video on launch day and doing this instead
This is an awesome overview and the future is Windows on ARM. It is just first cycle while Apple has been around a long time with the optimization for their echo-system. Windows is getting better and that is good for everyone once stability is there
any reason you didnt do this test with the microsoft surface pro/tablet? it is the closest in quality and comparisson to the macbook series??? thats an odd one to leave ou
respect for how much the time spent creating this video. I think the best move for now is go for AMD but i still dreaming on X elite to thrive and as good or better for windows apple silicon.
@@HardwareCanucksi understand that but labeling it the definitive review this close to a new release is a bit odd and possibly misleading to buyers even with the ending acknowledgments you included. Great review though and i look forward to seeing the strix comparisons.
There was a lot of hype for snapdragon x elite, but I was skeptical. Nailing this first time round is very difficult. Apple managed to launch M1 very successfully, but it is a lot easier for them (there still is issues with Apple silicon that haven’t been fixed yet though).
IMO the Snapdragon architecture seems promising, but clearly suffering from first gen issues (for Nuvia-Qauclomm). It will be interesting to see second gen in late 2025 or early 2026 vs AMD/Intel/Apple
One thing this misses is how often the computer actually runs full load in regular usage. I've owned the Slim 7x for several weeks, I've never heard the fan.
I think too many people focus on prices. If you make $50K per year and a particular laptop makes you 5% more productive, you can justify $2500 in additional laptop price over what you planned to spend in the first year alone. At 52 weeks of 40 hours per week, that’s a time savings of 104 hours or 13 days per year. Over a typical 5 year refresh that’s 65 days saved. Of course if your time savings / compensation is higher, you can justify a higher priced setup.
Hi people in comments. What would be a better choice between the Lenova Yoga Slim 7i (Core ultra 7 155h)and Zenbook 14 (8840HS)? I mostly will be using for programming (bunch of containers), browser (tons of tabs) and occasional gaming (mostly fifa) and very very occasional photo editing. I get so lost in singlecore multi-core performance and gaming benchmarks ... Can't grasp what's better for this usecase. A fairly moderate battery life is okay for me, I have a wall near me most of the times.
Okay, everything that I've seen from Intel about Lunar Lake gives me confidence it will crush ARM based laptops in every quantifiable metric. Performance, power, GPU, etc..
So finally an actual review and the Qualcomm chips suck compared to Apple Silicon ... as expected. Why did anyone think that they would beat Apple in the first place? Their chips are being dominated by Apple A series chips since day one.
We also mention that bios updates have changed the game in a big way, both positively and negatively for these laptops. MTL is still efficient but the 8840HS moreso
As I see it right now, when the X86 platforms move to integrated SOCs with encoders decoders and alike they will have nearly the same performance or more, with none of the drawbacks. unless the second gen SD chips become much better, or Windows becomes much lighter OS.
If you consider the outright build quality and performance, even with the overpriced tiers of ram and storage, Macbook is a great value. It not the cheapest, but sounds like it's hardware will last a lot longer than the other laptops.
what i really dislike about newer laptops, and its not really talked about. Is all the soldered parts on the motherboard. If I want more RAM, I can easily buy some for my current laptop. If they burn, I can easily replace them. For one of these newer ones, I can't go above what the initial buy is. So if I go with 16, i'm stuck with 16 forever. Really sucks especially since we are heading into an era where the amount of memory available and compute power is going to count for a lot. So at this point, I might as well buy the cheapest thin laptop out there with the longest battery and just use it to connect server I make. Not the most exiting thing ever.
AMD Zen 5 gives all the pros of Qualcomm without many cons! Great battery life! x86 Software Compatibility! (no issues with arm support) Better GPU & Npu. The possibility of an RTX dedicated GPU. No high T° when charging the laptop. Great video, just made irrelevant by AMD tech updates. Best All rounder: AMD ZEN 5 Best for MacOs: would wait for M4 Best for High Core Count: Intel HX
From what I see intel result is not bad since it is 7nm compare to 3nm. I'm waiting intel lunar lake since software like sql server is not able to run in xelite as well in mac os x
Intel’s 7nm which is called Intel 4 process actually has transistor density comparable to 4nm of TSMC. So it’s not actually far off but the chiplet design hurts efficiency and latency
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Given that Intel is now the Boeing of CPU chip manufacturers, I'm more inclined to use laptops with chips that don't disintegrate through normal day-to-day use. Frankly, I'm disappointed HC even included Intel laptops in their test. Especially in light of recent events, NO ONE should be recommending Intel chipped PCs/laptops until we have assurance that Intel's manufacturing defects that's causing widespread instability and BSODs have been resolved.
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This video just reminded me how much I hate shopping for a laptop. There's never a single laptop that's consistent across the board.
honestly a spot where apple has an advantage over windows laptops. simplified product lineup is better for the average consumer. get a macbook air for most people & macbook pro for those doing "creative work"
just get a macbook imo
Sucks apple charges so much for increaes in ram or storage, and GPU is terrible for the price. I look forward to the chips designed for AI like TPUs the chipmakers have on roadmaps, it'll be really useful to run offline AI without crashing
yep hardest tech to buy from my POV. What else is harder than something very technical? I can spec desktops on any budget easily but this...nope no idea. In my country Denmark Lenovo seems to be cheap for money through.
@@chinesesparrows yeah pricing on apple is significantly higher. They hold their value longer though. Also I find macs to be more reliable than windows laptops even high ends.
It seems like AMD has some secret sauce to really make x86 efficient while still maintaining full compatability. It's crazy how good AMD products are these days.
And ARM processor used the latest technology of semiconductor foundry, but it term of performance x86 mostly better depending of the applications.
Because every modern processor, ARM or x86, uses RISC under the hood! They are basically the same, tuned for different design goals.
@@drandersjiang RISC is a reduced version of X86.... risc uses x86 not the other way around
TSMC is just too good at making silicon. companies like samsung and intel literally cannot compete with a company fully focused on one trade.
@@anistardi bla bla bla..cinebench artificially caps Apple Silicon by not using arm v9 intrinsics.
Its not even close the real cb2024 score for a m3max is 1900-2000.
Nothing comes even remotely close to that.
And its plain simple down to ARM v8-v9 ISA being superior in every way to x86.
There is nothing that can save x86 just get over it
Finally an actual review of these new laptops, most other reviews feel like ads and lacked any proper comparasion with other laptops.
He didn't review the laptops,
He made another Apple MacBook ad.
@@RK-um9tu macbook is more efficient than windows laptop thats nothing new everyone knows that but the comparison between different windows laptops was interesting
this channel is famous for bias though
Just Josh also make the type of reviews, you should also watch him
@RK-um9tu well, more efficient is not always what the users want, this was the first video about X Elite, where a actually get usable data what is the difference between x86 Windows and ARM Windows (both performance and power consumption graphs separetly was great, everyone can decide which one is more importat for them.. and get the answer what he can expect with that kind of laptop)
The AMD system is probably the most impressive to me, in terms of battery, performance and compatibility
And price!
It's going to better for AMD and Apple soon. The Zen 5 CPUs are coming soon and Apple will release the M4 later this year.
Intel new ones will make these older laptops look bad, too.
@@FlorinArjocu The only thing that concerns me about the new Intel system is their overall multi-core performance because they limited hyperthreading and a few of the high-powered cores
@@sydguitar99 I hope they will bring higher tier ones for that case. Will see.
Thank you for taking the time to test and provide your results and opinion. Much appreciated!
That ryzen 8840hs is really impressive, my next laptop is probably gonna have a zen 5 apu.
I actually think Lunar Lake is going to beat the Ryzen AI 9 3xx series. Will wait for those devices to replace my late 2016 Spectre x360
@@SasquatchsCousin33 i doubt it. Intel doesnt have much experience nor backbone on APU designing and manufacturing
AMD has that to cook Zen 1s CPUs and APUs using their already existing expertise from the A-series APUs
Yeah. Definitely worth waiting for next week for Ryzen AI laptop reviews. 8840HS is basically a 1.5 year old chip. They just added the first gen NPU in 7840HS. Ryzen AI (Zen 5) is actually a new chip.
Lunar lake is going to only have 4 big cores + 4 small cores. Going to be significantly behind both AMD and Qualcomm in CPU heavy multithreaded tasks. But their new iGPU seems good (close to AMDs new one, almost 2x faster than Qualcomm) and single thread perf and battery efficiency are good (if you trust Intel’s marketing material).
@@sebbbi2 Can you trust what intel says these days? They handeled poorly the issues with 13 and 14th gen
I've been a PC guy all my life and still am to this day. I bought an M1 Macbook Air 2 years ago. While the Snapdragon laptops are a valiant effort, Apple is still leagues ahead. I do love the competition though and ARM on Windows is a great thing for the future of portable PCs.
Great video team. Good to see such thorough testing!
It seems that your findings were somewhat similar to ours
Its going to be very interesting to see whether these are still relevant when AMD Zen 5 launches this Sunday!
Wasn't Zen 5 delayed a bit? Or was that just desktop Zen 5?
Desktop. Laptops with Strix Point will still be available from retailers (Best Buy specifically) starting this weekend.
@@HardwareCanuckscinebench r23 is extremely x86 biased, all arm chips do very badly in r23.
Stop using it for comparison its BS
@@PKperformanceEU well... this demonstrate how these CPU can run x86 code.
and the impact of the emulation to achieve it.
remember that x86 is offering additional instruction sets and offering more integrated calculations where an ARM (RISC) required a lot of calculation to achieve them.
like calculating the COS is integrated in a x86 CPU requiring a single command to execute it while must be evaluated on ARM through multiple passes and formulas.
@@willgart1 thats bullshit. Arm has more powerful Intrinsics and better fp int registers.
Arm has NEON SVE SVE2 SME up to 2048bit SIMD.
You heard something and now you think you know everything you talk nonsense.
R23 uses ZERO Arm SIMD.
2024 doesn’t use SME and SVE2 probably not even SVE just NEON.
Otherwise a m3max would score up to OC 14700K 1900-2000score
Great video! the one I was looking for in a while... Thanks!
I think im going to stick with my 15" M2 and my linux based desktop workstation for some time 😂
Same here
Unix-based is always the champ for me
Apple 🤮🤮🤢🤢🤢🤮
@@-Blue-_ Yeah this is about the level of discourse I would expect.
@@bawbsmith still apple 🤮🤮🤢🤢🤢
Thank you for the days of work and research to create this video project ❤.
These results make the Zenbook 14 OLED look the most balanced (between power, battery life and scores) of the bunch.
The most amazing results here for me are in relation to the Zen4 AMD mobile processors. If we are getting that much efficiency with current gen X86 AMD CPUs, just imagine the greatness of Zen5.... Also, what's the point of sacrificing APP compatibility for an extra hour or two of battery life by going with ARM?
Yeah like we can't increase the battery
AMD has the hardware to compete. What AMD lacks is software support for its graphics. Many of the creator tools are optimized for Intel and Nvidia GPUs. Strix Point (Zen 5 with RDNA 3.5) is coming out on the same node soon (TSMC 4nm) but it will also come later with 3nm so AMD will be ahead of Snapdragon. Intel is also coming up with Lunar Lake as well with TSMC 3nm and Battlemage graphics. It’s gonna be interesting to see how that one performs and improves on Intel’s inefficiency.
That's becoz the laptops being used don't clearly show the potential of the X elite platform. Microsoft Surface Laptop with X Elite goes the extra mile hard in term of video playback battery life, and web browsing. So, no, there r clearly some battery life advantage in the X elite platform just need OEM that can tweak their laptops enough to get that extra juice.
@@RidwanGosal the same can be said for other platforms. OEMs don’t care enough to optimize their devices and keep drivers and software updated. Qualcomm itself doesn’t have a good track record of supporting their SOCs for the long term when it comes to smartphones. Heck even the developer kits aren’t sent out yet and X Elite laptops are already out in the market.
@@Jabid21 Qualcomm has it? Eeeeh…
Awesome video, it must have taken a lot of time and effort! Just a little thing to point out. Resolution also affects power consumption so the laptops with higher native resolution will consume more, so I would have appreciated the resolution nest to the laptop name in the power consumption graph at around @13:30
Yes, that is correct, reason why HP is really great as it is lowest resolution in tested Arm machines. I saw test when it delivered 27hrs of YT playback on 40% brightnes (not measured nits) Crazy...
I Have Surface Pro 11 becouse I love that form factor. It immediatelly replaced my 14" M1 MBP as daily driver. Except few small utility apps, everything I using is native arm, and those small x86 ones runs great. I have only base model, but I do not see benefit from Elite version as it is even more powerfull than my MBP for tasks I doing. For that money it is crazy good device, I keeping my MBP just in case when I will miss to use MacOS (I have iterations when I want to use it, same as for Windows 11), except Total Commander, which is used only as FTP client to my personal site for last few years, I using SW which is on Win and Mac...so Im not limited with OS. It is first Windows machine with more than enough perfromance for my needs, which stay silent mostly all day long in my usage. Only fast charging will kick fans at lowest speed, and maybe Teams meeting with 40% NPU usage (portrait blur, framing, eye contanct and voice isolation). And it stays 12-14hrs of video playback or 10-12hrs general use and web browsing. So mostly same as my MBP
Hands down - one of the best 'snapdragon laptop review/comparision' out there!
Great work guys!
First comprehensive plataform comparison I've seen. I have been waiting for this. Great stuff. The current Ryzen is really impressive. Can't wait for Zen 5.
Doing a ”definite review” just a couple of days before AMD’s big Ryzen AI (Zen 5) laptop launch is bad timing.
I guess we can blame AMD for delaying the Ryzen AI launch by 2 weeks. Must suck to redo all AMD data. Chip should have been out already.
I wouldn’t be calling Ryzen 8840HS a new processor. It’s practically a slightly tweaked 7840HS, which is already 1.5 years old. And going to be replaced with Ryzen AI next week. We have been waiting long time for AMD to ship a real refresh for 7840HS. That CPU was fine 1.5 years ago, but it’s not up to date anymore.
The ryzen AI are literally the last gen with a near useless AI chip slapped on lol
Ryzen AI has 50% more CPU cores and 33% bigger GPU. The most common review laptop had just 28W TDP. 20% lower than last gen and it still beats the last gen. For bigger generationsl perf bumps, you need to wait for higher TDP laptops.
NPU in both AMD and Qualcomm SoCs is indeed useless right now. Most AI workloads run in cloud. Local AI workloads are not common and even those local workloads that exist don’t use these NPUs yet.
X Elite is a great CPU, but for Qualcomm to compete with Apple in energy efficiency, they need to halve the CPU power and make significant investments in GPU drivers and performance. Apple must have a team of amazing chip designers to create such impressive fanless laptops.
Nvidia is still ahead in performance than both x86 all the way for me
The best comparison and review I've seen so far of these systems. You put SO much work into your reviews, and editing and presentation is super comfortable. Thanks man!
Microsoft hallucinating the demand for chatbots. I'll wait for framework to get in on the arm action.
Why not wait a week for zen 5
AMD Ryzen AI 9 HX 370
375 new
55 tops npu
8840U is cheaper with lower TDP.
It blows my mind that Microsoft snubbed its long time hardware partners with copilot.
18:29 this blender result is probably due the fact these arm cores doesn't support Scalable Vector Extension (SVE), only NEON. So probably, blender is trying to use AVX2 or AVX512 and the Microsoft prism is having to use multiple NEON instructions to emulate one AVX2/AVX512 instruction. Or maybe even worse, failing to detect AVX, and falling back to non-vector instructions.
I will be waiting for strix point, M4 and lunar lake all coming out, watch reviews and comparisons between all 4 processor, before I decide what to buy by the end of the year. Snapdragon compatibility issues with pro software and games is a major issue, it's off the list from get go, and likely not able compete with m4, lunar lake and strixpoint regarding performance and efficiency.
no surface laptop seriously ?
weird right haha
I also found it weird. I tested them in a shop and Surface Laptop 7 has way better build quality. And in the US the base model is quite good value for 999 USD - especially that people can replace the SSD with a 1TB one for around 90 USD, or 2TB one for 250 USD.
@@leakyabstraction the surface model is the best one between the snapdragon laptops, I guess they just don't have sponsorship with them or can't buy the laptop which is weird ...
Microsoft has refused to send us a sample and we've reviewed to purchase a first party Microsoft device. So we're at loggerheads now.
@@HardwareCanucks I think the video would've been objectively a lot more interesting if you had the best overall snapdragon laptop included, would've been worth the investment imo.
Keep up the good work anyways 👍
The Lenovo Yoga Slim 7X's OLED display actually gets up to 1000 nits of brightness in HDR mode, which this review doesn't cover. It's display really is best in class.
Meanwhile, I feel HP has been quite sneaky with how it cut corners in the Omnibook X. It's display is dim and just won't fair well in bright daylight. That's a huge dealbreaker for an thin and light laptop. Also sounds like they cut corners with storage performance too. As for the design, it's very generic and uninspired. Not impressed with that HP at all.
To me the Lenovo Yoga Slim 7X is far better in almost every way, and is the option I'd buy if targeting a Snapdragon laptop.
On the offline video playback battery test, the video decoding on VLC was very likely using software, so it hampered the Intel CPUs hard as they had to keep the CPU tile awake. The Dell even improved when playing video from the browser (which has hardware video decoding).
Even then, Intel missed hard with their tiled design. Its fairly hard to get good battery life out of it.
Furthermore, this speaks amazingly about the low-load power efficiency of the SDXE.
Nonetheless, if the test had been done on a video player with hardware acceleration the results would likely have been closer.
It used to be that Apple products were much more expensive and slower. Now they are about the same price but perform easily better in most situations. No doubt they aren't cheap. But ultra slim laptops are not cheap to begin with, and a Macbook air is more than enough for 98% of the population in terms of performance.
98% of the people i know are either into gaming or AI development, and macbook can't do either of those at all
@@goochipoochie lol most of the people I know are into video, music and photo productions...
@@DonLee1980yeah only music, photos and videos but not 3D, ML, Scientific Research and AI and in those works Apple is considered not good I have been in 3d and VFX works and most of the people hate apple products and even in software developement people use other brands laptops with Linux in them not apple, apple is just a overhyped products nothing else
@@-Blue-_ glad you represent the majority of computer users.
So an 8 core M3 still wipes the floor with these in many cases, dang.. Really hope more driver updates come our way and improve efficiency. That's the main reason I shy away from Intel; by the looks of it, currently I'll be better off with AMD for Windows and stick to my MacBook for on the go productivity.
Not even m3 pro or m3 max.
@@MrDejvidkit let alone m4 ^^
so, in a thin and light laptop if intel can fix battery life they really will be providing the best of both world. Impressive what amd has done. Honestly with how lunar lake and new strix point are just around the corner. Was windows on arm rlly a necessity?
Yes, because the battery tests here are really bad at showcasing day to day battery life. The main issue with curent x86 chips is that they have no fine tuned control over power delivery, meaning under a particial load, efficiency sucks, like singlecore workloads. This creates huge Powerspikes, just reloading a web page will get current x86 chips to insane powerdraw rates like 20w or more for a brief moment, which adds up, because their short singlecore boosts are inefficient. That is why in a web surfing test as an example. where a script constantly browses certain websites, the battery life difference is a lot bigger, because of these short powerspikes.
On Monday there will be a whole swag of AMD Copilot plus laptops. Might have been an idea to wait on this.
An Actual review maan, I loved it, THANK YOU.
Also, I more excited about Zen 5 and Lunar Lake now
I made a decision to buy a Lenovo Yoga with a Snapdragon chip, and I am very happy with the battery life. I'm not going back to Intel or AMD!
I really wish you would’ve shown a graph for each battery test which normalized for battery size and showed which was the most efficient.
This was the video I was waiting for. Thanks.
Such an expensive video. Very comprehensive. thanks. This ARM fight is interesting. It's seems that x86 advantages are legacy's advantages. I think Qualcomm did a good job. they have room for improvement and it looks promising. Apple is always committed to make the design their advantage.
Excellent work! Loved the detail!
I believe the issue is where the Qualcomm chips were scaled from. Nuvia was building ARM server chips which they scaled down to laptops, whilst Apple scaled their mobile/tablet chips to a laptop die. That makes the power draw understandable in this generation, but I hope they get a lot more efficient.
would love to see a test where you just close the lid of the laptop and comeback maybe 1 week/ a few days later and just see how much the battery has dropped , or if it could even be turned on without needing to be charged.
That performance to power draw is absolutely mind boggling. No idea how apple did it
Increasing the single-core performance takes the most R&D and Apple is miles ahead in that, especially with the M4. Apple achieved this despite the clock speed remaining the same, by changing the architecture of the CPU.
This is something that Android and Windows-side chipmakers, who are often perceived as subpar, would never do because they don't tend to make any architectural changes at all, especially Intel.
These manufacturers only know how to add more cores and increase clock speed.
Your laptop selection is very incoherent. Non of the chosen models have similar battery capacity or CPU watt limit or similar price. Like I know you can't have too many laptops but surely there should be some form of logic when comparing laptops. Makes no sense at all.
not really, its just shows how much research you need when buying a laptop the average joe doesnt have that time.
Fantastic review, thorough, methodical and objective.
this comparison shows that AMD is now striking the balance between performance, power efficiency and price
and that is more impressive than m3 and X elite
great video!!
This is such a fantastic video for a .... I would say ... semi-tech-nerd.... like me. Includes enough information to understand the differences but doesn't get into too much data and jargon which makes choosing a laptop more confusing (that it already is).
My Takeaway
- M3 Macbook Air shats on everything. Other OEMs can compete only on price.
- X Elite delivers for everyday performance, but we need to wait till affordable SKUs are avaiable in 700 to 1000$ range.
- You are not missing much by sticking with x86 for immediate needs
- XPS 13 is an abomination in all dimesions. Hope every reviewer includes them in comparsion to shame Dell for what they have done to the beloved XPS Line
All pretty much accurate, except Apple shiz on the future of tech in general with their proprietary, over-priced anti-rtr wedge. Supporting them is a nail in everyone's coffin.
@@newolde1 , unless we get something like System76 and framework get big, it's going to be that way. At my work, we had Ubuntu Laptops for few years, they migrated to Macbooks because of Administration and performance issues.
@@saiki4116 yep correct.
Dell have always been trash. Overpriced garbage filled with bloatware. Dell’s business model is to target people who know nothing about PCs
I mean the whole point of ARM cpu is efficiency, and these X Elite chips consume nearly identical amount of power as their x86 counterpart
Since power is highly dependent on each laptop manufacturer, A better term would be "their performance per watt is no better than x86 CPUs". But a lot of this has to do with the lack of optimizations within windows.
As always very high quality content 👍
I put the video in my watch later but I’m commenting to say that that is a sick thumbnail
Apple didn't use ARM because it is inherently more efficient than x86. It is not. ISA pretty much doesn't matter in terms of performance or efficiency. Apple is using ARM because their phone SoCs were already using it, so they had a license they could use. Not to mention that it is pretty much impossible to get an x86 license from Intel and AMD.
People corrected you on this on another Snapdragon video and you still make this false claim.
Edit: People, just go watch Jim Keller interviews, read articles on chipsandcheese like "Why X86 doesn't need to die" or just read the paper called "Power Struggles: Revisiting the RISC vs. CISC Debate on Contemporary ARM and x86 Architectures
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That doesn’t appear to be true. According to Intel engineers Apples final straw was Skylake’s abysmal quality so Apple went all in on designing their own chips. They looked at the options and in the end decided to upscale their A-chips as that was the quickest solution to dump Intel. So the real reason was Intel was awful and Apple was big enough and bright enough to just dump them and trust in its own abilities.
@@andyH_England Well yes, that is why Apple chose to even create their own laptop SoC. But what I said is true in regards to why they went with ARM specifically.
Unless I'm mistaken, ARM's simplified instruction set allows for more compact implementations on the hardware level, allowing for smaller chips/die sizes.
Node shrinks do the same thing though.
If arm isn’t more efficient than x86. Then why have they been so shit at heat and efficiency until literally just now? Because regardless of what you say, public perception is arm is efficient and x86 is not. So you’re telling me they could’ve been better this whole time but they just chose to be ass?
@@christianr.5868Yeah, kind of actually. Only AMD and Intel produce x86 chips. AMD was ass for most of the 2010s and Intel has been ass since 2015. Also keep in mind that Apple already had been using ARM cpus in their iphones for a long time before their M chips, and they get the access to the latest nodes from TSMC, which has been much better at chip production than Intel for around a decade now
Well done, and professional.
Great video.
When presenting the chart results, you should have selected a different color for the ARM laptops, for easier identification (cyan, yellow or any other)
Thank you for the amazing video. I really appreciate your hard work. Keep up the good work. This is what make you guys different from other tech youtubers
Since most 32GB ARM laptops are stupidly overpriced, they were playing the discount game from the beginning...
Simply buy M2 Pro MacBook Pros in a sale and you're set for 5-6 years. You get all the goodness of M3s and with added cooling, miniLED display, better speakers and better battery life, what more do we need?
Set for what ? Can't do gaming or any 3D or AI workloads. Snapdragon does everything it does but better and for cheaper
And if i want to do gaming+3d+AI AMD+nvidia beats everything
I don't see Apple laptops as a consideration in any scenario
The thumbnail was golden honestly.
AMD Strix Point laptops are coming in less than a week and promise some noticeable improvements in many areas. This review seems to be a bit too early to properly represent laptops which be available for "back to school" this year.
Fabulous review. But you missed out on including Surface Laptop 7 which is perhaps best tuned for Snapdragon X Elite out of all the Copilot+ PCs. Its performance on battery and on power is not very different. I would love to see a similar deep-dive comparison between MBA M3 and Surface Laptop 7 (with SD X Plus) showing power figures.
X elite gen 2 will be great! For now I dont really need a laptop, since I have an i5 10th gen 16 GB 2021 Dell latitude wich does just fine with basic tasks like power point, word, net browswing and watchin Netflix/youtube. The battery is fine, nothing amazing but gets the job done. Putting that aside, my next laptop will surely be an ARM-based one (I mean in like 2-3 years, but still😂)
great review, excited to see this again with the M4 and the newest AMD lineup of processors
tnx for the video our review sample will arrive this week from Acer and this video can really help us to do the review in the best way possible.
Unfortunately I did not ever had any need for a laptop. I am always going with a flexible, silent and compact passive silent PC or Mini PC. I always demand a full Displayport at any PC for connecting advanced monitors. No need for HDMI, for connecting to a TV set.😅
The "co-pilot" laptops were not put on the market early because of AI, that's just not correct. They were put out early because Apple's M-Series SoC laptops are eating up the Windows laptop market share. I despise Apple, but the M-Series laptops are the 800 lb gorilla in the room right now, and Windows, Bill Gates, AMD and Intel have all had "come to Jesus" moments and they understand that Apple could bankrupt Windows laptop manufacturers. The ONLY thing that has saved Windows laptops is that they are optimized for gaming, the MacBook laptops are fairly pathetic at gaming. So, gaming consumers have kept Windows laptops afloat right now. All of the Windows laptop manufacturers have told Intel, Microsoft, AMD to get their heads out of their a ss and produce SoC or CPUs + discrete GPUs that have great performance and battery life, and they are solid, well-built and reliable. You can bet that Asus, HP, Lenovo and other laptop manufacturers have been screaming at Intel and AMD for making laptops that have almost no battery life and heat up and sound like jet engines when they are running. All the while, MacBooks are MORE powerful, have extraordinary battery life, and will run nearly silent most of the time.
Thanks for the effort, great video, but i feel like vivobook s15 different setups (snapdragon, ryzen, core ultra) are better for a fair comparison, some laptops have smaller screen, less battery capacity....
but the video is great for people buying a laptop these days. for me i feel like the vivobook s15 is a good choice.
One question- Lenova Yoga 7i 2-1 16 ram 1 T SSD. AMD 8840 or Intel 155u. You can probably tell I have very limited tech knowledge. Mostly used for MS Office and you tubes. Any help is appreciated.
I'm actually surprised with the Omnibook performance and battery life. This is really impressive
Great video. You can see that Qualcomm is where Apple was 3 years ago though I'm surprised Adobe hasn't use the Apple ARM ports for Qualcomm Snapdragons. Well done for showing the non-compatible benchmarks though Cinebench/Blender GPU should be noted as not working (we need to see the strikeouts to paint a better picture of SDs maturity).
For Mac game frame rates; use the Metal HUD & it may be worth adding game titles under GPTK2.
Great Job Guy! Best Video on the Topic i've seen so far. Kudos for "doing it right" and not releasing a hype video on launch day and doing this instead
This is an awesome overview and the future is Windows on ARM. It is just first cycle while Apple has been around a long time with the optimization for their echo-system. Windows is getting better and that is good for everyone once stability is there
any reason you didnt do this test with the microsoft surface pro/tablet? it is the closest in quality and comparisson to the macbook series??? thats an odd one to leave ou
I just tried the zenbook s 16 and its my favorite
where is the sponsor link?..
isn't it the video?
respect for how much the time spent creating this video. I think the best move for now is go for AMD but i still dreaming on X elite to thrive and as good or better for windows apple silicon.
'Imaginary AI demand' 😂😂😂
Why wouldn’t you wait 5 days for new amd strix laptops. This makes no sense…
Because this provides a foundation upon which to build future thin and light laptop testing.
@@HardwareCanucksi understand that but labeling it the definitive review this close to a new release is a bit odd and possibly misleading to buyers even with the ending acknowledgments you included. Great review though and i look forward to seeing the strix comparisons.
There was a lot of hype for snapdragon x elite, but I was skeptical. Nailing this first time round is very difficult. Apple managed to launch M1 very successfully, but it is a lot easier for them (there still is issues with Apple silicon that haven’t been fixed yet though).
How is the macbook giving more battery time with Internet than without?
This video simply proves that if you want ARM on laptops stick to Apple Silicone.
Otherwise it’s AMD all the way for windows laptops
For Linux laptops, cuz screw window
IMO the Snapdragon architecture seems promising, but clearly suffering from first gen issues (for Nuvia-Qauclomm). It will be interesting to see second gen in late 2025 or early 2026 vs AMD/Intel/Apple
Thank you so much for your feedback, It took so many hours of work..
One thing this misses is how often the computer actually runs full load in regular usage. I've owned the Slim 7x for several weeks, I've never heard the fan.
I think too many people focus on prices.
If you make $50K per year and a particular laptop makes you 5% more productive, you can justify $2500 in additional laptop price over what you planned to spend in the first year alone.
At 52 weeks of 40 hours per week, that’s a time savings of 104 hours or 13 days per year. Over a typical 5 year refresh that’s 65 days saved.
Of course if your time savings / compensation is higher, you can justify a higher priced setup.
Snapdragon on Windows is a huge disappointment. Just like Windows... Overall Ryzen is the best in the Windows ecosystem
Nah, it's best on Linux. Cuz screw windows n osx
wont amd be releasing the next cpu like in 2 days?
Yes. That's why the x elite are a waste of sand
Hi people in comments. What would be a better choice between the Lenova Yoga Slim 7i (Core ultra 7 155h)and Zenbook 14 (8840HS)?
I mostly will be using for programming (bunch of containers), browser (tons of tabs) and occasional gaming (mostly fifa) and very very occasional photo editing. I get so lost in singlecore multi-core performance and gaming benchmarks ... Can't grasp what's better for this usecase. A fairly moderate battery life is okay for me, I have a wall near me most of the times.
Great Vid Man!!!!
Okay, everything that I've seen from Intel about Lunar Lake gives me confidence it will crush ARM based laptops in every quantifiable metric. Performance, power, GPU, etc..
So finally an actual review and the Qualcomm chips suck compared to Apple Silicon ... as expected. Why did anyone think that they would beat Apple in the first place? Their chips are being dominated by Apple A series chips since day one.
Need separate review for processors, screen quality, battery life, all this should be in a benchmark table.
But you just said 2 months ago that Meteor lake chips are more efficient than Ryzen 8000 series chips?
Now you just completely say a different story!
We also mention that bios updates have changed the game in a big way, both positively and negatively for these laptops. MTL is still efficient but the 8840HS moreso
This just lets me know that my Lenovo Thinkpad X13 gen 2a powered by amd is just fine for a while longer.
As I see it right now, when the X86 platforms move to integrated SOCs with encoders decoders and alike they will have nearly the same performance or more, with none of the drawbacks. unless the second gen SD chips become much better, or Windows becomes much lighter OS.
They've ended up being very hyped up, but lackluster chips...
If you consider the outright build quality and performance, even with the overpriced tiers of ram and storage, Macbook is a great value. It not the cheapest, but sounds like it's hardware will last a lot longer than the other laptops.
what i really dislike about newer laptops, and its not really talked about. Is all the soldered parts on the motherboard.
If I want more RAM, I can easily buy some for my current laptop. If they burn, I can easily replace them.
For one of these newer ones, I can't go above what the initial buy is. So if I go with 16, i'm stuck with 16 forever. Really sucks especially since we are heading into an era where the amount of memory available and compute power is going to count for a lot.
So at this point, I might as well buy the cheapest thin laptop out there with the longest battery and just use it to connect server I make. Not the most exiting thing ever.
AMD Zen 5 gives all the pros of Qualcomm without many cons!
Great battery life!
x86 Software Compatibility! (no issues with arm support)
Better GPU & Npu.
The possibility of an RTX dedicated GPU.
No high T° when charging the laptop.
Great video, just made irrelevant by AMD tech updates.
Best All rounder: AMD ZEN 5
Best for MacOs: would wait for M4
Best for High Core Count: Intel HX
From what I see intel result is not bad since it is 7nm compare to 3nm.
I'm waiting intel lunar lake since software like sql server is not able to run in xelite as well in mac os x
Intel’s 7nm which is called Intel 4 process actually has transistor density comparable to 4nm of TSMC. So it’s not actually far off but the chiplet design hurts efficiency and latency
@HARDWARE CANUCKS What do you think about the HP 360 elite book
Is that a Hamilton Khaki Field Auto 38mm ? 🙂 Nice watch !!
and then I see a Seiko Alpinist :) awesome ... I happen to have both these as well :) (albeit I might be wrong on that as I don't see the arabic numerals)
Given that Intel is now the Boeing of CPU chip manufacturers, I'm more inclined to use laptops with chips that don't disintegrate through normal day-to-day use.
Frankly, I'm disappointed HC even included Intel laptops in their test. Especially in light of recent events, NO ONE should be recommending Intel chipped PCs/laptops until we have assurance that Intel's manufacturing defects that's causing widespread instability and BSODs have been resolved.
Aren't only the raptor lake cpus affected?