Great playing! Very much appreciate you taking the time to do these Marshall tutorials for someone that's trying to learn more about the different models. Very helpful!
Thank you for pumping in the JCM while playing the vintage modern! That really helps. Great playing as always bro! I prefer the Vintage Modern here. More options and I dig the more compressed, controlled sound of the Vintage.
Its My favorite Marshall since i bought my first 1969 Super Lead in the summer of 1974 they sound allot alike when you find the sweet spot on the VM......PS the new DSL40CR is also a contender tone wise
The great thing about the 2266 is it has a great range of tones, from a crystal clean jtm45 right through to a screaming jcm 800. It has to be the best amp marshall has made since the 800 and you can pick one up for a quarter of the price.
I have the combo and it's great.Need modern metal? Stick an 805 or a Tumnus in front and BOOM!! Off you go! I have 7 Marshalls and this one is a keeper. @@LeonTodd
@@ljsub88As the amp's EQ is mainly for decoration and fine tuning keep them all on 5 to begin with. Sculpture the main sound with Body and Detail with Detail usually a couple of notches higher than Body. Then use your guitar's volume and tone controls.
I have not went through the comments here so I apologize if I repeat someone else. I own the 2466 stack with the 425a matching cab all purple. I play the high dynamic range to get that JCM 800 tone. I roll the volume back on my guitar to get that sweet plexi warm rich tone. The VM will make you sound great or it will make you sound horrid. Slash and Robin Trower to name a few use the VM. The VM is very responsive to your guitar volume control that's what in my opinion separates it from so many amps!
You owe me money ive just bought a vintage modern because of you! Jokes aside thanks for your help ive been wanting to buy my first marshall for a while and your info has been very helpfull to me, thanks man and keep it up!
@@LeonTodd yes particularly the low dynamic range, i have other metal amps so i didnt buy this for high gain stuff, it can get pretty close to some vh1 tones on low dynamic with everything cranked! Thanks again
Leon this has been a great series, also thanks for making me buy a soldano I’ve always wanted one, I think it’s going to be a fun addition to the studio!
Leon Todd I got a hot rod 50, I have a dsl from 2005 and love it, but my main amp has been a dual rectifier tremoverb for a long time. I can honestly say they all have great sounds. And I’m excited to mix and match them in recordings.
Another great video Leon. Somehow I missed this one! I have an ‘81 2203 arriving tomorrow, and I want a VM for gigging and this has shown me all I need to know!
Just picked up a 100w vintage modern. It is one of the best sounding Marshalls I've ever played through. I'm very happy with it. Love the high and low dynamic range and the versatility of the the detail and body controls. Pretty much leave the eq all at noon. Reverb at about 9 o'clock. This thing sounds mean.
This is either your fine amp setting or the best sounding prs I've heard, probably both :) I just love how it sounds for being humbucker equipped. It contains the single coil clarity I always miss. Fantastic tone and playing man!
I've a vintage modern 100 h and I love it, what's your preferred settings with body and detail, I'm looking forward to running my echoplex pre amp in front of it as well, roll on thursday
To me, the VM is more compressed/smooth, sort of a "liquid" sound, great for soaring, sustained leads. The JCM800 is a bit more scratchy/raw sounding, definitely tighter with less gain. Makes a great rhythm tone \m/
Leon demonstrates an amp - Me: well that sounds fantastic! Leon demonstrates another amp - Me: well that sounds fantastic too. Leon demonstrates a third amp. Me: ah heck that sounds amazing. Hmmmmm ................. could be a trend developing???
Hey Leon, when you mention that the 2203 sounds louder than 100 watts, it probably is. I was pretty sure that an amp's power rating is based before the power amp distorts. Once it's cooking its pushing harder. That's why when you use an attenuator, you need one that's rated more than the RMS of the amp.
Had a JCM 800 and a DSL ,great amps but i much prefer my VM,just so much smoother and covers much more ground. I prefer that classic sound where you hear the notes but with the girth of distortion as opposed to just tha more metal "murky" sound,i.e Purple,zep,Gary Moore or Malmsteen,s neck pickup on a strat late 80,s sound!!). Therefore to me ,VM with a boost pedal in front is perfect,can hear everything,so how about a demo with a tube screamer in front (although you probably have!)
I like the JCM800, but I absolutely luv the Vintage/Modern (2266), it is my fav Marshall of all time! Kinda sounds like a cross between a JTM45 and a Boogie! Also luv the Origin 20 & 50 but I don't care at all for any of the DSL series!
I WILL ARGUE ABOUT THE BEST MARSHALL EVER MADE IS THE JVM 410 JS...I HAVE OWNED MANY THE BEST SOUNDING ONE I EVER OWNED WAS MY MODDED 69 PLEXI WHEN I LOST THAT I THOUGHT I WOULD NEVER GET THAT TONE AGAIN...THE JS DOES IT...SO VERSATILE. I DO LIKE THE DSL 2000 BUT THE RUNAWAY BIAS WAS THE GAME CHANGER AND WHEN THEY REISSUED THEM THE SOUND WAS CRAP I TOOK IT RIGHT BACK...THEN GOT A STANDARD JVM 410H...TO COMPRESSED....THE JS WAS THE TICKET FOR ALL THE STYLES I PLAY INCLUDING METAL.
Hi Leon, what is your experience as far as pairing speakers with the VM ? I have a 2466 and I'd like to buy some Vintage 30 types of speaker, I can't decide whether to grab old ones ("Marshall G12 Vintage") or new ones. Do you have a favourite speaker with that amp? Great sounds in that video, you definetely know how to dial it in and how to mic a speaker ! A la Johan Segeborn ;)
In a world that seems to go toward digital gear I'm deciding between a JCM800 2205 and a Vintage Modern 50w. The two channels of the 2205 are doing me decide for the this one. Any suggestion? Thanks
Hi Leon, I own a Marshall Tsl 100 and I'm not as satisfied as I'd like to be with it.. Listening to the demo I became fascinated with the Vintage Modern..but I was wondering..how well does it takes pedals?I mean...especially in the fx loop..knowing that most of the modern marshall heads usually have some issues running fx in the loop (mine included)
With higher levels of gain the FX loop is too hot for standard instrument level effects. The loop also colors your tone. I owe that to the bass shelf feeding the FX send.
Hearing you say the JCM 2000 is the best Marshall gives me just a bit of hope for humanity. It's too often that people dismiss that amp because it has a slightly more modern mid-range and a lot more gain.
@@LeonTodd Oh I know, I bought one earlier this summer, the 50 watt head. I was going to go DSL 20 but after watching a lot of demos and shootouts including a number of yours I went full JCM. Once I heard how lush and warm those 50 watt heads were over the 20 watt heads I was sold. Also because I wanted 50 watts I couldn't go DSL which honestly ended up being a good thing, the JCM just looks so much nicer.
Hi Leon, I love the sound of the VM, what about reliability, any thoughts or experience? I have just bought the VM 425a 4x12 and coupled it with my TSL 601 Combo and it sounds great but would love the matching amp.
I have a made in 2007 2466 Vintage Modern 100watt head, (sat on the shelf a while before I bought it) its lasted the 12 years I've owned it and counting! its been my main amp the whole time and only re-tubed 2x since then, with the last tube change lasting me just a month shy of 10 years, and I only retubed it because I lost my nerve on riding those tubes out after 10 years and finally changed them last year. Average Practice volume was 7-8 on the volume and gig volume 4-5 and it did it all!. Great quality amp and simple to service. I now run a 2555x Silver Jubilee and swap out between that and my Vintage Modern 2466 100 Watt & JCM 2000 DSL100 with the latest revision circuit board that had all the reliability issues fixed.
I would hang on to that cabinet if I were you. I bought one in New condition years ago and it's become one of my best two cabinets. The other being a 1960ax, which your cabinet pretty much is, just in purple trim.
My V/M and GH50L Sound great with either my Vintage Marshall cab w/Vintage speakers or my Laney Ironheart cab with G12H Creambacks. I can tell you this for only being 50 watt heads they will still make your eye's bug out and your ears bleed. Ha! Ha! Thank's Leon .
I like the Cat first! Then the 2203. It has that raw deep uncompressed sound. The tone is killer. If your able to really crank it , watch out! . Both have that bright clean sound which i love. The VM has more of the feel when playing it of a JCM800 than the DSL. But they all sound great. They're just different. Your fortunate to have all 3. That's really cool. Any chance you'll get a hold of the new 2018 DSL's for comparison. Thx.
I want to know more about that 2203 because that sound is exactly what I'm looking for. Is there anything special about it? What year is it from? and what cab are you playing out of?
It's a straight up 2203 reissue, straight off the shelf. For the life of me can't remember which cab, but it was either a V30 loaded 1960 or a greenback loaded 1960TV
@leon Todd what is the second riff you play play through the 800? sounds like alice in chains or nin but can't work it out. either way it's a monster and sounds great through both amps
Leon, your videos are awesome! Just subscribed..loving that I get to hear a ton of classic tones recorded well and great guitar playing. Curious, any reason why you don’t feature JVM’s in your videos? I’d love to see you demonstrate and provide your take on the JVM. I think it would be a killer video if you compared the JVM and judged it across the broad landscape of tones that it claims to cover (plexi tones, jcm 800 tones, higher gain tones, etc). Cheers from Boston!
Leon Todd, I've subscribed in your channel and I was going to tell you the same thing! I own a Marshall JVM410H and I'd love to see you comparing this amp with another amp, like JCM 800, 900, Plexi. Hugs from Brazil!!
So what DO you consider the best Marshall ever?!! Lol If I haven’t said it enough…LOVE your videos!! By the way, if you haven’t thought about it, try and get your hands on an Uberschall and see what you think…I mean as far as someone that likes BIG & MONSTROUS, hotrodded “Marshall” tones such as yourself!!
Leon Todd if I were nearer to you, I would lend you my Revision 2 for a good video...sorry I know that’s only a tease but...I would!! Your channel rocks brother!
I recently bought the 2x12 combo with those lovely custom Marshall greenbacks. I was enamored at first, but now I have serious buyer’s remorse. -The body and detail controls should be renamed to mud and brittle. The bass is a flubby mess. The low pass cutoff on the body control gets no higher than 72 Hz (220k and 10n). On the detail portion of the circuit the cathode bypass is at around 480Hz(!) WTF? The blocking cap then sets the high pass at 115Hz. Then there’s the odd 1k bass shelf. The result is the mid bass and low mids are completely wiped out unless you use the mid boost. When you do that the body control goes all the way up to 2kHz, trampling the detail control. -Because of a bass shelf just prior to the FX send, the loop colors the tone by making it thinner to the point that there is a large drop in volume -Pots are extremely cheap. Why Marshall would use them on a non-budget amp is beyond me. Luckily it’s a simple circuit with a nice topology so modding it to behave more like a plexi isn’t that hard. The extra tube used for the bump in gain can easily be converted into a cold clipper to get more of a JCM800 flavor when engaged. That seems to be the expectation here. Alternatively this tube could be used to go full on Soldano if you wanted or any number of other things. Friedman BE/HBE maybe?!?
I made some mods that I’m quite happy with that I thought I’d share. www.marshallforum.com/threads/marshall-vintage-modern.104813/page-4#post-1998742 If you’re ever in Petaluma California to say visit Mesa Boogie or something, feel free to swing on by and have a demo. I’d love to hear your amazing chops in person.
Tone wise, the JCM 2000 DSL is great. Build quality wise though, definitely not the greatest Marshall ever made. I bought one recently off Reverb and it crapped out immediately. I took it to my local guitar tech and he was like, "SEND IT BACK!". He says that a lot of them are failing at this point, some 10-20ish years after their production. And they're not easy to work on.
Reverb goes out on almost all the 2000’s. Mine blew a power transformer. But I bought it used as well and have no idea how it was cared for. I’d say they’re worth fixing tho. Find a good tech that can go over the entirety of the amp and you should have something that lasts.
@@vancegreening my understanding is that the 2000's are plagued with a runaway biasing issue. The Guitologist here on RUclips has a few videos of him working on the jcm 2000's, and they look like a major pain in the ass, haha. I guess some of them will need an entirely new motherboard, which will be like buying the amp again.
I had a Vintage Modern and it sounded good, but no matter what I did I could not dial out the piercing high end distortion. I sold it and got the 2203X. The 2203X kills the VM in every way.
Leon whats the tune at 0:43 ?? Gotta know! I saw this video months ago, then suddenly that melody came to my mind and played it a lot. Just today i realize i´ve heared it here!!! please tell me, i want to hear the complete song, not just the memory in my head! haha!
Doesnt anyone play clean any more.Anyway they both sound the same.Theres not much difference between valve amps from same brand.That overdrive noise sounds the same on both.
Can u like PLZ push the amps that ur doing demos on?? Every video I come to, it’s like u have the gain so damn low u ain’t getting no bump dude. Nobody will ever know their range
![Twenty One Pilots - The Line (from Arcane Season 2) [Official Audio]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/XCz7WUotXs8/mqdefault.jpg)
To my ear, the Vintage Modern sounds so much better. Less fizzy, more focused, lots of presence and articulation.
Great playing! Very much appreciate you taking the time to do these Marshall tutorials for someone that's trying to learn more about the different models. Very helpful!
Thank you for pumping in the JCM while playing the vintage modern! That really helps. Great playing as always bro! I prefer the Vintage Modern here. More options and I dig the more compressed, controlled sound of the Vintage.
That was a great trick. I've never seen that done before. Brilliant.
Its My favorite Marshall since i bought my first 1969 Super Lead in the summer of 1974 they sound allot alike
when you find the sweet spot on the VM......PS the new DSL40CR is also a contender tone wise
Vintage Modern is a great amp but it was not understood back then.
Precisely. Ahead of it's time.
The VM is Marshall's masterpiece. The best since the JCM 800.
The great thing about the 2266 is it has a great range of tones, from a crystal clean jtm45 right through to a screaming jcm 800. It has to be the best amp marshall has made since the 800 and you can pick one up for a quarter of the price.
It's a gorgeous amp and covers so much ground.
I have the combo and it's great.Need modern metal? Stick an 805 or a Tumnus in front and BOOM!! Off you go! I have 7 Marshalls and this one is a keeper. @@LeonTodd
I agree 100 percent. Pity most guitarists don't know how to use it properly.
@@Mark95876how to use it properly? 😮
@@ljsub88As the amp's EQ is mainly for decoration and fine tuning keep them all on 5 to begin with. Sculpture the main sound with Body and Detail with Detail usually a couple of notches higher than Body. Then use your guitar's volume and tone controls.
I have not went through the comments here so I apologize if I repeat someone else.
I own the 2466 stack with the 425a matching cab all purple. I play the high dynamic range to get that JCM 800 tone. I roll the volume back on my guitar to get that sweet plexi warm rich tone.
The VM will make you sound great or it will make you sound horrid. Slash and Robin Trower to name a few use the VM.
The VM is very responsive to your guitar volume control that's what in my opinion separates it from so many amps!
Don't forget Ingwie Malmsteen.
You owe me money ive just bought a vintage modern because of you! Jokes aside thanks for your help ive been wanting to buy my first marshall for a while and your info has been very helpfull to me, thanks man and keep it up!
Digging it I hope?
@@LeonTodd yes particularly the low dynamic range, i have other metal amps so i didnt buy this for high gain stuff, it can get pretty close to some vh1 tones on low dynamic with everything cranked! Thanks again
Leon this has been a great series, also thanks for making me buy a soldano I’ve always wanted one, I think it’s going to be a fun addition to the studio!
Welcome to the club! Which model did you buy?
Leon Todd I got a hot rod 50, I have a dsl from 2005 and love it, but my main amp has been a dual rectifier tremoverb for a long time. I can honestly say they all have great sounds. And I’m excited to mix and match them in recordings.
That lower midrange growl the VM has is real nice
Another great video Leon. Somehow I missed this one! I have an ‘81 2203 arriving tomorrow, and I want a VM for gigging and this has shown me all I need to know!
Oh man keep me posted on how you like that 800 :D
Just picked up a 100w vintage modern. It is one of the best sounding Marshalls I've ever played through. I'm very happy with it. Love the high and low dynamic range and the versatility of the the detail and body controls. Pretty much leave the eq all at noon. Reverb at about 9 o'clock. This thing sounds mean.
Fantastic!
The VM is Marshall's masterpiece. The EQ is for decoration.
Same here. Same amount of reverb but set mids eq at 3 o'clock. Also always keep details 2-3 notch higher than body
I have the updated version of the DSL 100 Head... It's the first Marshall I've owned. I love it!
I like that there's a seperate depth knob on the newer amps
This is either your fine amp setting or the best sounding prs I've heard, probably both :) I just love how it sounds for being humbucker equipped. It contains the single coil clarity I always miss. Fantastic tone and playing man!
The PRS is a unicorn, I've never played another one that sounds quite like it.
That Vintage Modern sounds beautiful!!!
It's a real sleeper of an amp. I love it
Jim Marshall also said the JCM2000 was the best Marshall ever made....
Its is. The tsl100 is their best
Amazing how discernable the difference is
Marshall 1987 50 watt head with 4-12 loaded with 25 watt greenback speakers --what is better? nothing--just my opinion--cheers
How do you get so much distortion from the 2266 Low dynamic range? Mine is so clean...
I've a vintage modern 100 h and I love it, what's your preferred settings with body and detail, I'm looking forward to running my echoplex pre amp in front of it as well, roll on thursday
The Vintage Modern sounds a little more controlled, as with the 2203 it’s a little all over the place and more harsh frequency wise imo.
VM with the HDR engaged sounded better
To me, the VM is more compressed/smooth, sort of a "liquid" sound, great for soaring, sustained leads. The JCM800 is a bit more scratchy/raw sounding, definitely tighter with less gain. Makes a great rhythm tone \m/
In a 2 guitar band they'd make a great team.
Yes exactly!
Great video,it shows how certain amp fits certain style.First riff(I beleve it was Soundgarden)sounds way better with VM
Precisely, it's all about the whole package.
What is the second song you played????? It sounds familiar but i cant think of the name.
Leon demonstrates an amp - Me: well that sounds fantastic! Leon demonstrates another amp - Me: well that sounds fantastic too. Leon demonstrates a third amp. Me: ah heck that sounds amazing. Hmmmmm ................. could be a trend developing???
Hey brother I love your video! I'm a cat lover myself. My cats like to watch me play too..lol
The VM sound a tad more open or am I wrong?
Hey Leon, when you mention that the 2203 sounds louder than 100 watts, it probably is. I was pretty sure that an amp's power rating is based before the power amp distorts. Once it's cooking its pushing harder. That's why when you use an attenuator, you need one that's rated more than the RMS of the amp.
For me vm wins, such a great amp, amazing sweet tone, really amazing
Had a JCM 800 and a DSL ,great amps but i much prefer my VM,just so much smoother and covers much more ground.
I prefer that classic sound where you hear the notes but with the girth of distortion as opposed to just tha more metal "murky" sound,i.e Purple,zep,Gary Moore or Malmsteen,s neck pickup on a strat late 80,s sound!!).
Therefore to me ,VM with a boost pedal in front is perfect,can hear everything,so how about a demo with a tube screamer in front (although you probably have!)
The VM loves a good strat, absolute bliss!
The VM is the perfect amp for a Strat. But what about a Tele? I've never seen anyone play a Tele through a VM. Next video?
Awesome ! you used a miced cab ....love it ..... the extra 20% of quality is worth the trouble
Think u could get a good stone gossard tone from the Marshall vm
I like the JCM800, but I absolutely luv the Vintage/Modern (2266), it is my fav Marshall of all time! Kinda sounds like a cross between a JTM45 and a Boogie! Also luv the Origin 20 & 50 but I don't care at all for any of the DSL series!
incoming VM Thursday
Any tips to start with?
The JCM 800 was Marshall's saviour. The VM is Marshall's masterpiece. Remember: The VM is made for STRATS (and I don't care if Slash disagrees).
Shoegaze why do you say that? I’ve seen nothing saying it was purposed for strats alone.
The VM can thicken up the sound of a single coil Strat and give it more bottom end. This is why it is considered to be a perfect amp for Strats.
@@Mark95876 Just leave the mid boost switch off if you're not using single coils
I WILL ARGUE ABOUT THE BEST MARSHALL EVER MADE IS THE JVM 410 JS...I HAVE OWNED MANY THE BEST SOUNDING ONE I EVER OWNED WAS MY MODDED 69 PLEXI WHEN I LOST THAT I THOUGHT I WOULD NEVER GET THAT TONE AGAIN...THE JS DOES IT...SO VERSATILE. I DO LIKE THE DSL 2000 BUT THE RUNAWAY BIAS WAS THE GAME CHANGER AND WHEN THEY REISSUED THEM THE SOUND WAS CRAP I TOOK IT RIGHT BACK...THEN GOT A STANDARD JVM 410H...TO COMPRESSED....THE JS WAS THE TICKET FOR ALL THE STYLES I PLAY INCLUDING METAL.
Hi Leon, what is your experience as far as pairing speakers with the VM ? I have a 2466 and I'd like to buy some Vintage 30 types of speaker, I can't decide whether to grab old ones ("Marshall G12 Vintage") or new ones. Do you have a favourite speaker with that amp? Great sounds in that video, you definetely know how to dial it in and how to mic a speaker ! A la Johan Segeborn ;)
In a world that seems to go toward digital gear I'm deciding between a JCM800 2205 and a Vintage Modern 50w. The two channels of the 2205 are doing me decide for the this one. Any suggestion? Thanks
Hi Leon,
I own a Marshall Tsl 100 and I'm not as satisfied as I'd like to be with it..
Listening to the demo I became fascinated with the Vintage Modern..but I was wondering..how well does it takes pedals?I mean...especially in the fx loop..knowing that most of the modern marshall heads usually have some issues running fx in the loop (mine included)
The VM takes pedals very well in the front with the amp set on Low DR. Not sure about the loop though.
With higher levels of gain the FX loop is too hot for standard instrument level effects. The loop also colors your tone. I owe that to the bass shelf feeding the FX send.
Hearing you say the JCM 2000 is the best Marshall gives me just a bit of hope for humanity.
It's too often that people dismiss that amp because it has a slightly more modern mid-range and a lot more gain.
Their loss I guess, they're fantastic amps
@@LeonTodd Oh I know, I bought one earlier this summer, the 50 watt head.
I was going to go DSL 20 but after watching a lot of demos and shootouts including a number of yours I went full JCM.
Once I heard how lush and warm those 50 watt heads were over the 20 watt heads I was sold. Also because I wanted 50 watts I couldn't go DSL which honestly ended up being a good thing, the JCM just looks so much nicer.
Hi Leon, I love the sound of the VM, what about reliability, any thoughts or experience?
I have just bought the VM 425a 4x12 and coupled it with my TSL 601 Combo and it sounds great but would love the matching amp.
I haven't blown it up yet, which is a pretty decent sign it's robust :)
I have a made in 2007 2466 Vintage Modern 100watt head, (sat on the shelf a while before I bought it) its lasted the 12 years I've owned it and counting! its been my main amp the whole time and only re-tubed 2x since then, with the last tube change lasting me just a month shy of 10 years, and I only retubed it because I lost my nerve on riding those tubes out after 10 years and finally changed them last year. Average Practice volume was 7-8 on the volume and gig volume 4-5 and it did it all!. Great quality amp and simple to service. I now run a 2555x Silver Jubilee and swap out between that and my Vintage Modern 2466 100 Watt & JCM 2000 DSL100 with the latest revision circuit board that had all the reliability issues fixed.
I would hang on to that cabinet if I were you. I bought one in New condition years ago and it's become one of my best two cabinets. The other being a 1960ax, which your cabinet pretty much is, just in purple trim.
My V/M and GH50L Sound great with either my Vintage Marshall cab w/Vintage speakers or my Laney Ironheart cab with G12H Creambacks. I can tell you this for only being 50 watt heads they will still make your eye's bug out and your ears bleed. Ha! Ha! Thank's Leon .
50W is more than enough for me !
Please, what's the riff at 0:44? I absolutely love it and I can't seem to find the song, is it a Ragdoll riff?
Ragdoll - Heaven Above
@@LeonTodd Thanks so much Leon! :D
I was going to say I preferred the 2203 but the cat clearly voted Vintage Modern so VM wins.
Feline veto
Best in its cat-egory.
Ohhhhhhhh!
almost identical imho
The 50 sounds a bit more chunky on the lows
Great video dude, I already have a Marshall JCM 2000 DSL, and want another head, is it worth going for the Vintage Modern?
The DSL and VM complement one another nicely
@@LeonTodd Thank you dude.
Found a VM on ebay, I've whittled it down to 2 amps now the VM and the Lany Vh100r. Which one would you go for?
I had a Laney GH100L that was like a smoother JCM800 but preferred the VM. Haven't had direct experience with the VR unfortunately.
@@LeonTodd I think they are roughly the same, but have decided to go with the Marshall. Thank you for your advice.
I like the Cat first! Then the 2203. It has that raw deep uncompressed sound. The tone is killer. If your able to really crank it , watch out! . Both have that bright clean sound which i love. The VM has more of the feel when playing it of a JCM800 than the DSL. But they all sound great. They're just different. Your fortunate to have all 3. That's really cool. Any chance you'll get a hold of the new 2018 DSL's for comparison. Thx.
I'll have to hit up my local music store and try loan a new DSL when they arrive, I'm curious to check them out.
I want to know more about that 2203 because that sound is exactly what I'm looking for. Is there anything special about it? What year is it from? and what cab are you playing out of?
It's a straight up 2203 reissue, straight off the shelf. For the life of me can't remember which cab, but it was either a V30 loaded 1960 or a greenback loaded 1960TV
Do have any experience with the Peavey xxx2
@leon Todd what is the second riff you play play through the 800? sounds like alice in chains or nin but can't work it out. either way it's a monster and sounds great through both amps
That's a Ragdoll song called Heaven Above
Splawns 🤘🏻
what is the song in 4:00 minute ??
This - ruclips.net/video/SaZ0TMO9jr8/видео.html
Leon, your videos are awesome! Just subscribed..loving that I get to hear a ton of classic tones recorded well and great guitar playing. Curious, any reason why you don’t feature JVM’s in your videos? I’d love to see you demonstrate and provide your take on the JVM. I think it would be a killer video if you compared the JVM and judged it across the broad landscape of tones that it claims to cover (plexi tones, jcm 800 tones, higher gain tones, etc). Cheers from Boston!
I need to find one to borrow and test, because I'd love to hear it up against all these!
Leon Todd, I've subscribed in your channel and I was going to tell you the same thing! I own a Marshall JVM410H and I'd love to see you comparing this amp with another amp, like JCM 800, 900, Plexi. Hugs from Brazil!!
What song is that you started playing at 0:44? It sounds killer.
Thanks mate, I did a video about it here - ruclips.net/video/eVJHOaYH8Dg/видео.html
So what DO you consider the best Marshall ever?!! Lol
If I haven’t said it enough…LOVE your videos!!
By the way, if you haven’t thought about it, try and get your hands on an Uberschall and see what you think…I mean as far as someone that likes BIG & MONSTROUS, hotrodded “Marshall” tones such as yourself!!
Oh my lord, I really, really want an uberschall. Bucket list amp.
Leon Todd if I were nearer to you, I would lend you my Revision 2 for a good video...sorry I know that’s only a tease but...I would!! Your channel rocks brother!
How do you think a marshall vm would sound combined with a laney ghr
Any Jcm800 vs mesa rectifier vintage mode?
I recently bought the 2x12 combo with those lovely custom Marshall greenbacks. I was enamored at first, but now I have serious buyer’s remorse.
-The body and detail controls should be renamed to mud and brittle. The bass is a flubby mess. The low pass cutoff on the body control gets no higher than 72 Hz (220k and 10n). On the detail portion of the circuit the cathode bypass is at around 480Hz(!) WTF? The blocking cap then sets the high pass at 115Hz. Then there’s the odd 1k bass shelf. The result is the mid bass and low mids are completely wiped out unless you use the mid boost. When you do that the body control goes all the way up to 2kHz, trampling the detail control.
-Because of a bass shelf just prior to the FX send, the loop colors the tone by making it thinner to the point that there is a large drop in volume
-Pots are extremely cheap. Why Marshall would use them on a non-budget amp is beyond me.
Luckily it’s a simple circuit with a nice topology so modding it to behave more like a plexi isn’t that hard. The extra tube used for the bump in gain can easily be converted into a cold clipper to get more of a JCM800 flavor when engaged. That seems to be the expectation here. Alternatively this tube could be used to go full on Soldano if you wanted or any number of other things. Friedman BE/HBE maybe?!?
I made some mods that I’m quite happy with that I thought I’d share.
www.marshallforum.com/threads/marshall-vintage-modern.104813/page-4#post-1998742
If you’re ever in Petaluma California to say visit Mesa Boogie or something, feel free to swing on by and have a demo. I’d love to hear your amazing chops in person.
But but the VM has KT66 tubes! Can your DSL2000 do that?! 🤣
What riff is that right after the cat jumped down?
Ragdoll - Heaven above. Just found it on spotify.
I assume it's Leon's
Maybe more affordable, that is for myself, but now if I had some money to throw around then I guess a nice 1971 Marshall Super Bass Head...... oh yeah
Oh yeah indeed!
Tone wise, the JCM 2000 DSL is great. Build quality wise though, definitely not the greatest Marshall ever made. I bought one recently off Reverb and it crapped out immediately. I took it to my local guitar tech and he was like, "SEND IT BACK!". He says that a lot of them are failing at this point, some 10-20ish years after their production. And they're not easy to work on.
Reverb goes out on almost all the 2000’s. Mine blew a power transformer. But I bought it used as well and have no idea how it was cared for. I’d say they’re worth fixing tho. Find a good tech that can go over the entirety of the amp and you should have something that lasts.
@@vancegreening my understanding is that the 2000's are plagued with a runaway biasing issue. The Guitologist here on RUclips has a few videos of him working on the jcm 2000's, and they look like a major pain in the ass, haha.
I guess some of them will need an entirely new motherboard, which will be like buying the amp again.
Maybe you should find a new tech lol cause he's lying to you.
You’re lying to yourself Eddie Money.
@@patricklongshanks378 I've had mine for like 14 years lol still running.
I had a Vintage Modern and it sounded good, but no matter what I did I could not dial out the piercing high end distortion. I sold it and got the 2203X. The 2203X kills the VM in every way.
Leon whats the tune at 0:43 ?? Gotta know! I saw this video months ago, then suddenly that melody came to my mind and played it a lot. Just today i realize i´ve heared it here!!! please tell me, i want to hear the complete song, not just the memory in my head! haha!
Ah yes! ruclips.net/video/SaZ0TMO9jr8/видео.html
If that would be the sound of a JCM800, nobody ever would have bought it. Thin and fizzy it sounds in that vid....
WTF Modern vintage 2266 sounds better!!!!!
I don't use real guitar amps.
The VM is a lot like a Jubilee 2555
Steve Boldt I’ve never had a jubilee but I love my VM, I’ve always wanted a silver so I’m glad you said it’s comparable
Nothing like it at all
Doesnt anyone play clean any more.Anyway they both sound the same.Theres not much difference between valve amps from same brand.That overdrive noise sounds the same on both.
No they dont
Can u like PLZ push the amps that ur doing demos on?? Every video I come to, it’s like u have the gain so damn low u ain’t getting no bump dude. Nobody will ever know their range
Cats don't like whammy pedals!!!