@@LeonTodd DSL channel 1 Clean Channel 2 Crunch..ive had mine modded , red meh..channel 2 boosted with ZW44 is much warmer and gutsy than red thin channel
Great video, I have the DSL and its my favorite amp. I have always wanted the VM and now have to get one. I love your work with the Marshalls, keep Rocking!
Just found this vid and wanted to say you just cost me lots of dough! : ) I had a VM several years ago and sold it to get my daughter through her last year of school. No regrets but I missed it. Just found one here in the states and grabbed it up. I dig all your vids especially the Axe FX tutorials and am a subscriber!
Hello from Texas, I'm a simple 3 chord skatepunk guitarist but i really enjoy your demos, i like the fact that you explain your amps and you don't spend 15 minutes doing a solo but play things that i can appreciate, you got a sub and a new fan from me today 👍
This is really cool how you're breaking breaking these two amps up I said I'm leaning towards one of these vintage Marshall moderns this is really intuitive the way you're putting this together good job
I own a 50 watt dsl head and have a 50 watt vint/modern combo and i love both amps and crank them love that unmistakable marshall tone will never part with these beautys!! Cheers for the video love ya work !
I have both these heads (on seperate full stacks) and always preferred the DSL until I saw this video and tweeted the knobs on the Vintage Modern per your suggestions and feel like I just got a NEW head and I love it! Thanks.
DSl Amps and M magnet speakers like greenbacks and the creamback M65 are a Match made in heaven. DSl amps with warmer vintage speakers are just perfect to my ears. They round the DSl amps off just enough and add just the right amount of warmth. I like amps that sit right between vintage and modern and Greenback M25s and Creamback M65s put the DSl amps right in that spot.
I did a lot of research in 30 years of playing guitar and I have own a lot of amps Bogner, Hook, Boogie, Laney, and I love them but I came back to the raw Marshall tone which I really like. Only a Marshall sounds like a Marshall.
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I have both a JCM 2000 DSL 50watt and 100watt. I tour alot and let me say, i literally, never use the 100 watt. The 50 is magnificent. Achieves that overdriven sound earlier. Ive had that amp for nearly 15 years and let me tell you its a steady workhorse. Never let me down.
Been watching your demos of the JCM2000 DSL50 great info - I have one and I love it - I had an original JCM800 and I never could get it to do what the JCM2000 DSL50 does so I'm glad I sold it! I use the CRUNCH channel and get my distortion from various pedals and it sounds awesome with my Marshall 2x12 Cabinet! My main distortion is a Bogner Burnley - the amp sounds great for the Jimi/Trower/Doyle Bramhall II stuff I do - add some UNI-VIBE and holy toledo the room shakes!
Nice job. Thorough and intelligent breakdown...I own the same VM...gonna pull the trigger on a dsl 50 this week. Running the vm with greenbacks and the dsl with greenback/v30 combination. You have great chops too bro! Rock on...peace from Canada's west coast \\m//
I just got a 2266 and I must say.... great amp. I really love the Plexi sound. I'm a Bogner fan but the VM has its own voice and it's the best Marshall I have ever owned (6100, JCM2000 DSL100 andTSL100 and an 80th JCM800) I can't understand why the VM is so underrated.
that very last comment made in the video is one of the most important in making a choice between the 2. If playing through a real speaker cab, no IR's, no attenuator, the VM Master Volume needs to be cranked up to 6+ to sound decent, whereas the DSL sounds good up high, but also at much lower Master Volume settings. I have never had the fortune to encounter a VM in the wild to try out, but I remember when I first sat down in front of a DSL-100 with a 4x12 cab and I was really surprised how great the playing feel and tonal sound was with the DSL MV set at just under 2 on the dial. It sounded even better at 2.5 or 3. Excellent video!
Both sound great... but what I am learning is that you can't have a "two" channel amp with a shared EQ if you intend to switch back and forth mid song. These amps are for setting it up for one channel and forgetting it.
The clean on the DSL has a lovely chime. Seems to me that these two amps would sit really nicely in a twin guitar attack, be really complimentary of each other.
Hi . I’ve just bought the dsl100 and like you say the clean is very very quiet . How to get round this , do you use and eq pedal to boost the clean ? With crunch it’s a lot louder . The quiet clean is the only thing I don’t like about the amp
Great reviews I have a JCM 2000 DSL absolutely love that amplifier The JCM amp that I picked up has a C12 cap mod and a bright switch in the EQ section it will actually start sagging like a four-hole Plexi it's quite amazing that punchy type of sound with the switches engaged up
Thank you, thank you, thank you for simply setting the amps where they each sound best and then comparing them!!!! I get really tired of amp shootouts where both amps are set with controls at 12:00 and compared (when neither amp sounds very good set that way to begin with).
Marshall has told you the product doesn't work with fender guitars. And you somehow didn't get the memo it doesn't work with PRS guitars too! Grow up you childish moron! Your day dreaming days are over! The boss has TOLD YOU IT DOESN'T WORK WITH FENDER! That implies it DOESN'T WORK WITH PRS TOO!
Very intelligent review! First time amps aren't unfairly compared with same knob settings when they actually shouldn't be! Thank you! I am currently boggling between purchasing the one or the other. Thank you!
Great review as per usual...your stuff rocks bro. I love my VM and I'm pulling the trigger on a dsl 50....so affordable and so great..run them a/b into 1960ax cabs (2 half stacks) and tear down some walls! Peace
i revisit this video so often, these 2 amps are so fantastic sounding, exactly what i think of when i think marshall modded plexi, i think blended through a stereo 4x12 it could be the perfect tone with the dsl being a little more scooped anad gainer than the vintage modern
Great demo!. I have owned both of these amps and go back and forth. I currently have the DSL 100 and a couple Bogners. The is something very satisfying about the grunt of a good Marshall. I remember struggling to keep the VM tight sounding.. However I am not a metal head but love playing old Scorps, VH, sabbath, UFO, older maiden , AIC, GNR Etc. they both do that stuff just fine. I think the VM sounds a bit more like super lead and the DSL more of a the 800 or Silver Jube vibe. A little harder sounding. not necessarily in a bad way, just different. Again excellent demo. Both amps are solid workhorses. Thanks for sharing.
Finally someone who understands how to demo amps! Thank you sir. The people who put all the dials at 5 are killing the potential of the amps. I would much rather hear someone like you have each amp tweaked to its full potential
Great vid and really helpful , I’m mostly recording now but need range of options when playing live , always owned precious’s jcm , now I’ll go with dsl
I have to say I love them both. I currently own a DSL 50 and 100 watt. One thing I don't like about the DSL design though is the extreme drop off in volume when you go from crunch to clean on the green channel. If anyone has a suggestion on how you deal with this or any mod ideas, I would appreciate it. Great video Leon. I hope to get my hands on a Vintage Modern someday.
The DSL all the way! I own the new DSL20HR & the cleans are chimey & pristine, the crunch is perfect & the Ultra Gain channel lets you get as heavy as anyone needs to get. No more lugging around huge stacks to get the perfect tone in a live stage mix.
A nice shootout, but it's worth noting that the VM was voiced for G12C speakers, which are most similar to G12M-Heritage and whilst they sound ok with V30's they do lack some of that "character" and will give you that ripping hot JTM45 soul. Also if you want more of that Paul Kossoff sound you want the 55hz not 75hz (pre rola)
Oh yeah, I forgot, I keep the bad monkey on all the time and use my volume knob , turn it down for the cleaner and crunch tones,and crank it up for leads , setting it up to have enough gain to pull off a souring lead, but low enough to clean up well too, again,love your stuff man❤
Thank you for your great Vintage Modern vids. An often misunderstood amplifier. I bought my (purple) combo version new back in 2010. A very versatile amp. I saw a Robin Trower interview where he was going over his rig, including the 100w version of the Vintage Modern...'nuff said for me... I really enjoy your in-depth explanations of the settings and comparisons A+.
A very cool vid, Leon. You should have many more subscribers. Both sound awesome, but I tend to prefer the dsl tone a little. This vid shows a better tone than the original dsl 50 vid for me. More crunch = more love ;-) Unfortunately none around here right now.
I have a JVM 205H and the VM 2266 - through a 1960AX cab - 4x12 Greenbacks. Both amps are superb IMO but I have to agree, the Vintage Modern has something special about it!
I have the DSL 100H. I like mine a lot. It took a bit to figure it out as it has massive gain. Ran it back down to about 4 on the 1st red channel and it sounds really good. I run mine through a Marshall MF280 oversized 4x12 cab with Celestion V30 MF`s. Far and away the best cab I`ve ever had and I have a bunch of them. I sometimes run it through a Marshall JCM 900 1960A cab with Celestion GT-75`s. That`s not bad either but I really like those vintage 30 MF`s in that oversized cab.
I used a jcm 2000 years ago. It sounded great. Then it was dropped out of our van and repaired and then I didnt like the sound. I sold it and then used a jvm410. I still have that amp but I dont take out half stacks anymore. Im useing combos. I like the dsl 40.
hi leon just found ur channel loving it :) do u have a video explaining yer post-amp setup more like the two notes cap and the ir and how that all works?
Excellent video, I have both in Combo's the DSL 401 and the Vintage Modern 2x12 Purple with Celestion Hendrix Green back's. I love both Amps, as you put it the DSL has more Gain but the VM is really sensitive to Pick attack, I use a MXR Zakk Wylde OD in front, sounds wicked. Thank you for the demo, some nice riffing!
Hi Leon, Both Amps are Combo's, I have the Purple VM has12" Celestions Greenback's, according to Marshall they are Hendrix Voiced Speakers. The JCM 2000 DSL 401 has a Celestion Black Back 12". Both are made in UK. Have a great day.
Leon Todd , Hi Leon, if you are ever in the North of Melb you are more than welcome to check out my guitars and Gear that I have collected over the years.
The VM is definitely a wicked amp for a child of the 70s. :P Never played through a JCM 2000. But, all the EL34/84 Marshall amps I have played through just couldn't produce the chime of the KT66's in a VM. The VM was definitely the most organic amp I've ever played through. Kind of like making love to a woman! ;)
Will you elaborate on the Vintage Modern’s tone stack being similar to a Plexi’s. I recently got one of the new Origins and I found out that the EQ reacts entirely different than my DSL.
Cool Video man new sub to your channel here! I own a Vintage Modern I boost with a Klon centaur clone and have also tried with a Ts808. I quite liked the mid boost on this amp. It felt to me like it thickened the sound a lot. I play lots of mastodon and Tool sorta stuff with this and would bet with a fuzz it would be great for doom metal type tones. Do you have a video up of the mid boost tones you found on the amp? Cheers!
Thanks for the VM mid boost + Strat tip. I have just bought a VM 100 head - amazing amp! Am I right in assuming that if you have a VM + DSL 50 OR a VM + JCM 800 you will have all Rock bases covered from 60s Blues-Rock to 90s Alt-Rock (but not metal)?
LOL I'm just trying to decide if I'm going to cop one of these Vintage Modern Marshall or not do I need another Marshal Maybe maybe I'll I'll just blow my mind you got me blowing my mind
I have been watching your DSL50 videos and I was curious if you have ever tried the new version of the DSL? If so, what is your opinion on it? I think it was made in Vietnam or something like that. Thanks!!!
I have a couple JCM 2000 DSL, 50 and 100. I like the tone your getting. What tubes are you running in each. Overall I like the VM. But to be fair I'm looking for one. Definitely hot rodded 70's and 80's plexi tone!
For me VM, it's more natural sounding amp, sounds more organic, but dsl are match more versatile, i have a TSL60 and now i want a VM2266, i really love 50/60 watts amps, it's easely to use than a 100w.
Never played either of those amps. Have a similar setup though. Marshall JTM45 into a 2X12 cab with Weber Legacies, a GDS Amplification 18 watt head into a Reinhardt 2x12 with creambacks; and an 80’s vertical input Marshall 4010 JCM 800 50 watt into a 4X12 cab with Greenbacks and H30’s. The JTM 45 being similar to the VM, and JCM 800 similar to the DSL; but with a little less sizzle running 6550’s.
Leon Todd well, normally I’d go with EL-34’s on a JCM 800; however, this amp was setup with 6550’s when I got it used, and it sounds awesome with the G12M65 1x12 it came with as a combo. I did have it completely restored and re-tubed; but I stayed with 6550’s. They have more clean headroom, which makes the clean channel sound a lot better. When pushed on the dirty channel, they just have more balls with less compression. Not as “fizzy” and compressed as EL-34’s would be. I normally plug it into a 4x12 with G12M-25 Greenbacks in top and G12H30’s in the bottom, and just roars with authority.
DSL for that classic pushed Marshall crunch at reasonable volumes. Many play in their bedrooms and the others who still gig are constantly being told to turn down more and more.
Just from listening to demos, to me the VM has a more "authentic", less compressed sound that is more responsive. If it had a second channel I think it would be hard to beat. I really want a Marshall, I just cant decide between the versatility of a JCM 2000 or the seemingly superior responsiveness of the VM or a good old JCM 800. I want them all, lol.
Those are some awesome sounds. I don't get the same killer tone out of my DSL 50. Do you use an alternate tuning and do you have a pedal or preamp? Has the input gain on the amp been modified?
My rig is a marshall vintage modern 100 watt with the mid scooped then I mix that with a mesa boogie triple rectifier with el34 tunes and with lots of mid range I get a huge kim thayil type tone I love it. The marshall vm is such cool amp. Shout out form Albuquerque new Mexico the nuke city!!!!!!
I've got the two 2000's thousand two of them two 900 S I know where I can cop a couple Vintage Modern Marshalls but they want 999 a piece and you caught that one for 350 bones sweet but I'm leaning towards one of them that is why trying to get some perspective here?
Those Marshalls both sound great but I've somehow never been a PRS kinda guy. Weird, i know. Would have loved to hear a Les Paul, Ibanez, Jackson or LTD through these amps.
thanks for doing the side-by-side comparison. The thing that you might be liking in the DSL is that it uses diode distortion which in my opinion is cheating. Yes in fact, they did add an extra tube, but there’s still is diode clipping in the signal path, and you can call Marshall, and if they decide to be honest on that day, they will tell you that. The vintage modern was part of Marshall’s master class Amps series to combat all the boutique amps of that time and they nailed it. It is a single channel amp so it’s really hard to compare a two channel amp that has four modes to a one channel Amp that has a boost function and yet it’s still has all the killer classic tones of a plexi, super lead and it beats down the JCM 800. By the way I was in several hair metal bands during the 80s so you may have guessed my age after that comment. Point being we couldn’t give JCM 800s away back in those days, everyone wanted super leads. back in those days you could literally pick one up for $400 and people would complain about paying that much. I have an early pre-release 100w vintage modern I picked up at the NAMM show and I really need to make a video on it but i’m afraid the prices are already climbing on the vintage, modern as people are starting to get hip to them and if I made a video it might start a frenzy. I’m not talking bad about the DSL. It’s serves a purpose you don’t have to bring a distortion box because it’s pretty much built-in, of course people still do and that’s probably just a taste thing. I do appreciate your videos even though the last few comments I made are a little contrary to what you’re saying keep up the good work.
@@Toraboramusic the Vintage Modern doesn’t have two channels like most amps, instead a ‘Low Dynamic Range’ and a ‘High Dynamic Range’. It’s a similar effect but I think it works differently.
This is a great video. Really helpful! I have a mark V 25 and am looking at my first Marshall. Which one would you choose for an allan brothers type sound?
So the Vintage Modern, the DSL and the 2203 has the exact same tonestack. Its not the tonestack itself that makes it sound more or less reactive but what you're putting in to it and if there is compression after it.
Maybe im biased because i own a VM but it just sounds amazing all the time. It has the most beautiful cleans, great lead and overdrive and takes pedals so well. For me its totally up there with the plexi and jcm800 in terms of the marshall tone. Ill never part with mine. Just a shame i dont get to crank it ever.
@@LeonTodd a VM will make you sound great or it will make you sound pathetic. I own the 2466. I love it. It's very responsive to the volume control of the guitar. I play a lot on the high dynamic range....roll the volume back on my guitar and get that awesome plexi tone! Turned up it sounds like a badass JCM 800! By the way I own the half stack. All purple the cabinet is the 425a. Freaking awesome match!
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Wars have been fought and won using the DSL's green channel. Crunch mode all day.
If Marshall made a single channel amp that was just the DSL green crunch it would be hailed as a classic.
@@LeonTodd DSL channel 1 Clean Channel 2 Crunch..ive had mine modded , red meh..channel 2 boosted with ZW44 is much warmer and gutsy than red thin channel
@@LeonTodd totally AGREE it's SUBLIME!
This video is great. I now own a vintage modern because of this video and love it.
Really detailed and informative overview. Leon you have one of the best gear videos on entire RUclips. They are really useful.
I appreciate that mate :)
Great video Leon, as a JCM 2000 owner (TSL 100) you got the tone of the DSL spot on. I was surprised how close the two are to each other.
Great video, I have the DSL and its my favorite amp. I have always wanted the VM and now have to get one. I love your work with the Marshalls, keep Rocking!
The DSL is a core part of my stable of amps, such an easy amp to use. Stoked you like the vid, let me know how you go finding a VM :)
Another very informative video. Thanks for posting, Leon
Just found this vid and wanted to say you just cost me lots of dough! : ) I had a VM several years ago and sold it to get my daughter through her last year of school. No regrets but I missed it. Just found one here in the states and grabbed it up. I dig all your vids especially the Axe FX tutorials and am a subscriber!
Fantastic! I own both the DSL50 and the Vintage Modern combo and use them in the same way. Great video Leon!
Excellent intelligent exposé of Marshall tone. Well done.
Hello from Texas, I'm a simple 3 chord skatepunk guitarist but i really enjoy your demos, i like the fact that you explain your amps and you don't spend 15 minutes doing a solo but play things that i can appreciate, you got a sub and a new fan from me today 👍
Thanks and welcome! Do you skate as well?
Where in Texas, I play skatepunk all day and I’m looking to play some gigs. Are you near Houston?
This is really cool how you're breaking breaking these two amps up I said I'm leaning towards one of these vintage Marshall moderns this is really intuitive the way you're putting this together good job
I own a 50 watt dsl head and have a 50 watt vint/modern combo and i love both amps and crank them love that unmistakable marshall tone will never part with these beautys!! Cheers for the video love ya work !
Both in stereo is the way to go :D
I have both these heads (on seperate full stacks) and always preferred the DSL until I saw this video and tweeted the knobs on the Vintage Modern per your suggestions and feel like I just got a NEW head and I love it! Thanks.
That's so awesome to hear!!!
I have had my 99 Dsl 50 for 15 years. I love it still! Just bought a 2x12 1936 cab w/2 25 Watts Greenbacks. It is SWEET! Great review, my friend!
DSl Amps and M magnet speakers like greenbacks and the creamback M65 are a Match made in heaven. DSl amps with warmer vintage speakers are just perfect to my ears. They round the DSl amps off just enough and add just the right amount of warmth. I like amps that sit right between vintage and modern and Greenback M25s and Creamback M65s put the DSl amps right in that spot.
I was so scared of the two heads sitting horizontally across a Plexi up vertically, haha. Great content dude!
Living on the edge!
I did a lot of research in 30 years of playing guitar and I have own a lot of amps Bogner, Hook, Boogie, Laney, and I love them but I came back to the raw Marshall tone which I really like. Only a Marshall sounds like a Marshall.
amen
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Totally agree
Such amazing riffs! I love how you play the guitar. Relaxed but powerful.
Much appreciated!
I got the best out of my triple rectifier because of one of your videos!
What's the title of the main rock song you play?
I have both a JCM 2000 DSL 50watt and 100watt. I tour alot and let me say, i literally, never use the 100 watt. The 50 is magnificent. Achieves that overdriven sound earlier. Ive had that amp for nearly 15 years and let me tell you its a steady workhorse. Never let me down.
I'm there with you dude, done hundreds of shows and a few albums with the DSL50 and it has not skipped a beat.
Awesome
Been watching your demos of the JCM2000 DSL50 great info - I have one and I love it - I had an original JCM800 and I never could get it to do what the JCM2000 DSL50 does so I'm glad I sold it! I use the CRUNCH channel and get my distortion from various pedals and it sounds awesome with my Marshall 2x12 Cabinet! My main distortion is a Bogner Burnley - the amp sounds great for the Jimi/Trower/Doyle Bramhall II stuff I do - add some UNI-VIBE and holy toledo the room shakes!
Nice job. Thorough and intelligent breakdown...I own the same VM...gonna pull the trigger on a dsl 50 this week. Running the vm with greenbacks and the dsl with greenback/v30 combination. You have great chops too bro! Rock on...peace from Canada's west coast \\m//
That combo will strip paint from the walls!
Buy a tube screamer if you dont already have one. DSLs love them
Picking up a DSL 50 with a Marshall cab this weekend. Swapping it for a Vox AC30 C2. Looking forward to it.
I just got a 2266 and I must say.... great amp. I really love the Plexi sound. I'm a Bogner fan but the VM has its own voice and it's the best Marshall I have ever owned (6100, JCM2000 DSL100 andTSL100 and an 80th JCM800) I can't understand why the VM is so underrated.
Excellent video, I really enjoyed that. Great job.
Much appreciated. Did you lean towards one amp in particular?
Leon Todd the Vintage Modern. Going to buy one in Montreal tomorrow night after watching this video!
what speakers where you playing through? It doesn't sound good through my greenbacks. Gonna try V30's next.
that very last comment made in the video is one of the most important in making a choice between the 2. If playing through a real speaker cab, no IR's, no attenuator, the VM Master Volume needs to be cranked up to 6+ to sound decent, whereas the DSL sounds good up high, but also at much lower Master Volume settings. I have never had the fortune to encounter a VM in the wild to try out, but I remember when I first sat down in front of a DSL-100 with a 4x12 cab and I was really surprised how great the playing feel and tonal sound was with the DSL MV set at just under 2 on the dial. It sounded even better at 2.5 or 3.
Excellent video!
Both sound great... but what I am learning is that you can't have a "two" channel amp with a shared EQ if you intend to switch back and forth mid song. These amps are for setting it up for one channel and forgetting it.
The clean on the DSL has a lovely chime. Seems to me that these two amps would sit really nicely in a twin guitar attack, be really complimentary of each other.
This guy gets it!
Dwayne Yule haha exactly what I'm running right now
the most intelligent response on the internet in years
Hi . I’ve just bought the dsl100 and like you say the clean is very very quiet .
How to get round this , do you use and eq pedal to boost the clean ?
With crunch it’s a lot louder .
The quiet clean is the only thing I don’t like about the amp
Great reviews I have a JCM 2000 DSL absolutely love that amplifier The JCM amp that I picked up has a C12 cap mod and a bright switch in the EQ section it will actually start sagging like a four-hole Plexi it's quite amazing that punchy type of sound with the switches engaged up
Very nice!
Thank you, thank you, thank you for simply setting the amps where they each sound best and then comparing them!!!! I get really tired of amp shootouts where both amps are set with controls at 12:00 and compared (when neither amp sounds very good set that way to begin with).
I've been guilty of that in the past so this was my attempt to rectify that!
Awesome demo, I like them both,
That DSL sounds great , it just has that perfect rock crunch
13brenno13 it may be heresy, but it's my favourite Marshall. Hard to go wrong with it for rock.
Leon Todd If slayer uses them id say it's hardly heresy. It all comes down to the players ability to work with the amp in my opinion.
Marshall has told you the product doesn't work with fender guitars. And you somehow didn't get the memo it doesn't work with PRS guitars too! Grow up you childish moron! Your day dreaming days are over! The boss has TOLD YOU IT DOESN'T WORK WITH FENDER! That implies it DOESN'T WORK WITH PRS TOO!
Youmake these amps kick ass!
Very intelligent review! First time amps aren't unfairly compared with same knob settings when they actually shouldn't be! Thank you! I am currently boggling between purchasing the one or the other. Thank you!
Different pot values and tapers, variance in component values - all adds up! Turn the knobs, that's what they're for
Great review as per usual...your stuff rocks bro. I love my VM and I'm pulling the trigger on a dsl 50....so affordable and so great..run them a/b into 1960ax cabs (2 half stacks) and tear down some walls! Peace
That's a killer combo with that cab
i revisit this video so often, these 2 amps are so fantastic sounding, exactly what i think of when i think marshall modded plexi, i think blended through a stereo 4x12 it could be the perfect tone with the dsl being a little more scooped anad gainer than the vintage modern
That DSL sounds bad ass great rock tone
I just bought a Vintage Modern 2266 head and you are not making me regret it.
Great vid man - liking your output :-)
Thanks :)
Great demo!. I have owned both of these amps and go back and forth. I currently have the DSL 100 and a couple Bogners. The is something very satisfying about the grunt of a good Marshall. I remember struggling to keep the VM tight sounding.. However I am not a metal head but love playing old Scorps, VH, sabbath, UFO, older maiden , AIC, GNR Etc. they both do that stuff just fine. I think the VM sounds a bit more like super lead and the DSL more of a the 800 or Silver Jube vibe. A little harder sounding. not necessarily in a bad way, just different. Again excellent demo. Both amps are solid workhorses. Thanks for sharing.
I got an 06 dsl 50. Love it.
great amps
I already own a 100w Vintage Modern and I’ve got my eye on a JCM 2000 DSL 50... great video 🤘🏽 got yourself a new subscriber
Be Glory or Peace cheers for the sub :)
Finally someone who understands how to demo amps! Thank you sir. The people who put all the dials at 5 are killing the potential of the amps. I would much rather hear someone like you have each amp tweaked to its full potential
Much appreciated! I'll definitely be doing more clips in this style as it's proving a popular one.
loved the review. Sold me on a VM
Vintage Modern all the way, baby. Such a toneful beast!
Great vid and really helpful , I’m mostly recording now but need range of options when playing live , always owned precious’s jcm , now I’ll go with dsl
I have to say I love them both. I currently own a DSL 50 and 100 watt. One thing I don't like about the DSL design though is the extreme drop off in volume when you go from crunch to clean on the green channel. If anyone has a suggestion on how you deal with this or any mod ideas, I would appreciate it. Great video Leon. I hope to get my hands on a Vintage Modern someday.
Both are great amps, thats why i have both, just different flavors
nice vid brother cheers.. i have both of these amps.. ur spot on, i sum it up as the dsl is naturally distorted, the vintage M is naturally fuzzy..
The DSL all the way! I own the new DSL20HR & the cleans are chimey & pristine, the crunch is perfect & the Ultra Gain channel lets you get as heavy as anyone needs to get. No more lugging around huge stacks to get the perfect tone in a live stage mix.
A nice shootout, but it's worth noting that the VM was voiced for G12C speakers, which are most similar to G12M-Heritage and whilst they sound ok with V30's they do lack some of that "character" and will give you that ripping hot JTM45 soul. Also if you want more of that Paul Kossoff sound you want the 55hz not 75hz (pre rola)
Oh yeah, I forgot, I keep the bad monkey on all the time and use my volume knob , turn it down for the cleaner and crunch tones,and crank it up for leads , setting it up to have enough gain to pull off a souring lead, but low enough to clean up well too, again,love your stuff man❤
Thank you for your great Vintage Modern vids. An often misunderstood amplifier. I bought my (purple) combo version new back in 2010. A very versatile amp. I saw a Robin Trower interview where he was going over his rig, including the 100w version of the Vintage Modern...'nuff said for me... I really enjoy your in-depth explanations of the settings and comparisons A+.
@leon Todd still a great video and now I think I need both or another marshall with my vintage modern.
A very cool vid, Leon. You should have many more subscribers. Both sound awesome, but I tend to prefer the dsl tone a little. This vid shows a better tone than the original dsl 50 vid for me. More crunch = more love ;-) Unfortunately none around here right now.
Thanks so much :) The DSL really nails the JCM800 on steroids vibe which I'm stoked about :)
Leon Todd yeah that's spot on!
I have a JVM 205H and the VM 2266 - through a 1960AX cab - 4x12 Greenbacks. Both amps are superb IMO but I have to agree, the Vintage Modern has something special about it!
I like the VM, they come alive when you boost them.
VM!!VM!!🤘🔥✨
I have the DSL 100H. I like mine a lot. It took a bit to figure it out as it has massive gain. Ran it back down to about 4 on the 1st red channel and it sounds really good. I run mine through a Marshall MF280 oversized 4x12 cab with Celestion V30 MF`s. Far and away the best cab I`ve ever had and I have a bunch of them. I sometimes run it through a Marshall JCM 900 1960A cab with Celestion GT-75`s. That`s not bad either but I really like those vintage 30 MF`s in that oversized cab.
I used a jcm 2000 years ago. It sounded great. Then it was dropped out of our van and repaired and then I didnt like the sound. I sold it and then used a jvm410. I still have that amp but I dont take out half stacks anymore. Im useing combos. I like the dsl 40.
hi leon just found ur channel loving it :) do u have a video explaining yer post-amp setup more like the two notes cap and the ir and how that all works?
Excellent video, I have both in Combo's the DSL 401 and the Vintage Modern 2x12 Purple with Celestion Hendrix Green back's. I love both Amps, as you put it the DSL has more Gain but the VM is really sensitive to Pick attack, I use a MXR Zakk Wylde OD in front, sounds wicked.
Thank you for the demo, some nice riffing!
John Roberts what speakers do you use in each combo?
Hi Leon, Both Amps are Combo's, I have the Purple VM has12" Celestions Greenback's, according to Marshall they are Hendrix Voiced Speakers.
The JCM 2000 DSL 401 has a Celestion Black Back 12". Both are made in UK. Have a great day.
Leon Todd , Hi Leon, if you are ever in the North of Melb you are more than welcome to check out my guitars and Gear that I have collected over the years.
The VM is definitely a wicked amp for a child of the 70s. :P Never played through a JCM 2000. But, all the EL34/84 Marshall amps I have played through just couldn't produce the chime of the KT66's in a VM. The VM was definitely the most organic amp I've ever played through. Kind of like making love to a woman! ;)
KT66's are something special aren't they?
Will you elaborate on the Vintage Modern’s tone stack being similar to a Plexi’s. I recently got one of the new Origins and I found out that the EQ reacts entirely different than my DSL.
Cool Video man new sub to your channel here! I own a Vintage Modern I boost with a Klon centaur clone and have also tried with a Ts808. I quite liked the mid boost on this amp. It felt to me like it thickened the sound a lot. I play lots of mastodon and Tool sorta stuff with this and would bet with a fuzz it would be great for doom metal type tones. Do you have a video up of the mid boost tones you found on the amp? Cheers!
Jonny Gallagher a Marshall with a Klone is bliss. The VM doesn't get too saturated so it handles fuzzes real nice!
Thanks for the VM mid boost + Strat tip. I have just bought a VM 100 head - amazing amp!
Am I right in assuming that if you have a VM + DSL 50 OR a VM + JCM 800 you will have all Rock bases covered from 60s Blues-Rock to 90s Alt-Rock (but not metal)?
Great to hear. Pretty much, the DSL will do some great thrash tones too.
LOL I'm just trying to decide if I'm going to cop one of these Vintage Modern Marshall or not do I need another Marshal Maybe maybe I'll I'll just blow my mind you got me blowing my mind
I have been watching your DSL50 videos and I was curious if you have ever tried the new version of the DSL? If so, what is your opinion on it? I think it was made in Vietnam or something like that. Thanks!!!
You kick butt bro
No matter what the variation, all my all time favorite guitar sounds have one thing in common, they are MARSHALLS.
Facts
I have a couple JCM 2000 DSL, 50 and 100. I like the tone your getting. What tubes are you running in each. Overall I like the VM. But to be fair I'm looking for one. Definitely hot rodded 70's and 80's plexi tone!
Rob Miller VM is stock from the factory. DSL I need to check
For me VM, it's more natural sounding amp, sounds more organic, but dsl are match more versatile, i have a TSL60 and now i want a VM2266, i really love 50/60 watts amps, it's easely to use than a 100w.
Exactly and I sent that last before you said that exactly exactly home homies
Never played either of those amps. Have a similar setup though. Marshall JTM45 into a 2X12 cab with Weber Legacies, a GDS Amplification 18 watt head into a Reinhardt 2x12 with creambacks; and an 80’s vertical input Marshall 4010 JCM 800 50 watt into a 4X12 cab with Greenbacks and H30’s. The JTM 45 being similar to the VM, and JCM 800 similar to the DSL; but with a little less sizzle running 6550’s.
Oooh tell me more about the 6550's :)
Leon Todd well, normally I’d go with EL-34’s on a JCM 800; however, this amp was setup with 6550’s when I got it used, and it sounds awesome with the G12M65 1x12 it came with as a combo. I did have it completely restored and re-tubed; but I stayed with 6550’s. They have more clean headroom, which makes the clean channel sound a lot better. When pushed on the dirty channel, they just have more balls with less compression. Not as “fizzy” and compressed as EL-34’s would be. I normally plug it into a 4x12 with G12M-25 Greenbacks in top and G12H30’s in the bottom, and just roars with authority.
DSL for that classic pushed Marshall crunch at reasonable volumes. Many play in their bedrooms and the others who still gig are constantly being told to turn down more and more.
Yeah the DSL scales down well
@ Leon Todd - I'm digging your vids brother thank you!
Just from listening to demos, to me the VM has a more "authentic", less compressed sound that is more responsive. If it had a second channel I think it would be hard to beat.
I really want a Marshall, I just cant decide between the versatility of a JCM 2000 or the seemingly superior responsiveness of the VM or a good old JCM 800. I want them all, lol.
Good videos, subbed
Those are some awesome sounds. I don't get the same killer tone out of my DSL 50. Do you use an alternate tuning and do you have a pedal or preamp? Has the input gain on the amp been modified?
This is all raw amp, no mods. Keep in mind this is a mic'd amp so what you're hearing is different to the amp in the room
My rig is a marshall vintage modern 100 watt with the mid scooped then I mix that with a mesa boogie triple rectifier with el34 tunes and with lots of mid range I get a huge kim thayil type tone I love it. The marshall vm is such cool amp. Shout out form Albuquerque new Mexico the nuke city!!!!!!
That DSL sounds ace, thick n creamy. The VM is rather dull in comparison, that's why I sold mine.
Love my DSL50!
Superb amps!
Vintage Modern with a “Screamer” style pedal!
Great review mate, which in your opinion is better for getting a slash tone
slash himself played on vintage modern for a while so...
You could use a plexi style pedal with the clean channel on the DSL to give you another tone option
I think the DSL50 sounds the best of the two.
Was it the 2266 or 2466 vm? I assume for the comparison it's the 50watt 2266
I've got the two 2000's thousand two of them two 900 S I know where I can cop a couple Vintage Modern Marshalls but they want 999 a piece and you caught that one for 350 bones sweet but I'm leaning towards one of them that is why trying to get some perspective here?
Those Marshalls both sound great but I've somehow never been a PRS kinda guy. Weird, i know. Would have loved to hear a Les Paul, Ibanez, Jackson or LTD through these amps.
agree - I'd like to see it with a STRATOCASTER with a stacked humbucker in the bridge
vintage modern rules
thanks for doing the side-by-side comparison. The thing that you might be liking in the DSL is that it uses diode distortion which in my opinion is cheating. Yes in fact, they did add an extra tube, but there’s still is diode clipping in the signal path, and you can call Marshall, and if they decide to be honest on that day, they will tell you that. The vintage modern was part of Marshall’s master class Amps series to combat all the boutique amps of that time and they nailed it. It is a single channel amp so it’s really hard to compare a two channel amp that has four modes to a one channel Amp that has a boost function and yet it’s still has all the killer classic tones of a plexi, super lead and it beats down the JCM 800. By the way I was in several hair metal bands during the 80s so you may have guessed my age after that comment. Point being we couldn’t give JCM 800s away back in those days, everyone wanted super leads. back in those days you could literally pick one up for $400 and people would complain about paying that much.
I have an early pre-release 100w vintage modern I picked up at the NAMM show and I really need to make a video on it but i’m afraid the prices are already climbing on the vintage, modern as people are starting to get hip to them and if I made a video it might start a frenzy. I’m not talking bad about the DSL. It’s serves a purpose you don’t have to bring a distortion box because it’s pretty much built-in, of course people still do and that’s probably just a taste thing. I do appreciate your videos even though the last few comments I made are a little contrary to what you’re saying keep up the good work.
I appreciate all the comments, it's pretty rare to get stuff that's not "OMG GREAT TONE" or "U SUK BRO!" so they're a pleasure to read.
What the diference between JCM 2000 and the new DSL 50 or 100?
Thanks
Great vid!
Btw the VM has 3 preamp valves in LDR. HDR adds a 4th into the circuit. :)
whats HDR and LDR?
@@Toraboramusic the Vintage Modern doesn’t have two channels like most amps, instead a ‘Low Dynamic Range’ and a ‘High Dynamic Range’. It’s a similar effect but I think it works differently.
@@georgetwydell6166 Thanks for that..of course, I should have known!
The VM has just 3 preamp tubes though I'm pretty sure. (?)
@@Toraboramusic in LDR it runs 3, HDR adds the extra into the circuit 👍🏻
Great demo. You make that DSL sound great, which it is.
Thanks mate, I love that amp so much!
What do you set the Presence to on the DSL? That control is so important.
Around 3 or 4, although I often run it at 0 too and crank the mids and treble to compensate. Depends on the type of speakers I'm playing through.
Great tones! What's the cabinet you're using and what speakers are in it?
Kjetil Myhre Berge a load box with a v30 IR from memory
DSL 50 for me.
This is a great video. Really helpful! I have a mark V 25 and am looking at my first Marshall. Which one would you choose for an allan brothers type sound?
The green channel of the DSL or the low dynamic range of the VM would be great
Thanks!
If you could only get
One which one would you get? The dsl is a little cheaper but the vm looks like a great amp
@@jimmyjams1974 the DSL is a tad more versatile so it might be the smarter buy
VM is just my cup of tea(or brandy),has soul in spades,altough in last example(with the gain maxed) I think JCM sounded better.
Between them they cover all the flavours of the Marshall rainbow.
What values are You using per tube while biasing the DSL? Marshall recommends 45mv per tube, but i think it is a bit too hot.
I have no idea. Something I should definitely investigate though.
How to compare a Marshall DSL 50 vs a Vintage Modern on top of a Plexi?
Have em both and a few 4 holers. These 2 cover a whole lotta Marshall. Great amps
Nothing beats a 4 hole
So the Vintage Modern, the DSL and the 2203 has the exact same tonestack. Its not the tonestack itself that makes it sound more or less reactive but what you're putting in to it and if there is compression after it.
Maybe im biased because i own a VM but it just sounds amazing all the time. It has the most beautiful cleans, great lead and overdrive and takes pedals so well. For me its totally up there with the plexi and jcm800 in terms of the marshall tone. Ill never part with mine. Just a shame i dont get to crank it ever.
xWILZTAx a lot of players are scared to move the EQ too far away from noon and don't get to tap into everything the VM tone stack has to offer.
@@LeonTodd a VM will make you sound great or it will make you sound pathetic. I own the 2466. I love it. It's very responsive to the volume control of the guitar. I play a lot on the high dynamic range....roll the volume back on my guitar and get that awesome plexi tone! Turned up it sounds like a badass JCM 800! By the way I own the half stack. All purple the cabinet is the 425a. Freaking awesome match!