+BullShitThat There's a statute of limitations on rape allegations. I think it's 7 years. I think it's been too long for her to prosecute him for the rape since it's been 10 years since it happened.
***** You're obviously biased. Michael was proven innocent in court due to there being zero evidence of him being a pedophile and the accusing families being extortionists.
Brett Elliott are you claiming representation of an entire religion. if so i'm pretty sure you died hundreds of years ago around about the same time your ideals died
gosh you people don't deserve an internet connection, why can't you just have a good conversation? Biz_Markie91 I support your opinion, these introverts just came here to war and make themselves feel validated, seriously they feel everything being offensive and start quarreling .
Why is everyone hating on this comment seeing he crying made her sad and me sad she looked like she was so sad and just felt like her life was over could you imagine. Geese her comment was nice.
As a victim of Sexual assault, Ke$ha is an icon to me. I've never come forward about my assaults and I never will, for the exact reasons they gave. I would never be believed. But Ke$ha is so strong and courageous and amazing. It takes an amazing person for taking a stand against her abuser
Uhm people just so you know Kesha is a fucking liar and is disgusting. Dr Luke never raped here she just tried to get out of her contract with him in this way. I actually know him because my mom used to work at his company prescription songs. They are good friends. And also just so you know somebody else’s assistant accused dr Luke of rape to try and get their boss out of a contract with him. I don’t like you supporting somebody that is lying and you would never know the impact this made on dr Luke’s career. Even if Kesha was lying.
@@herblybxb_ So you have proof or are you believing your mom's word? You're no better than the accuser if you can't provide hard evidence, so don't get mad at people for siding with her. The same way you are trusting your mom and Dr. Luke's words is the same way Kesha's fanbase is trusting hers so you're neither higher or lower than them.
Dr.Luke is the one extorting Kesha.. When Flo Rida's song right round came out, Dr.Luke made Kesha sing the background and it became a #1 single and Dr.Luke didn't give her a single dollar!!
+james randy got evidence as to why kesha would sacrifice a very successful career to make up a lie about somebody she works closely with? No exactly she isn't lying she wants to be free from her contract and there is nothing wrong with that
Lindsey McKinnon they weren’t even saying anything wrong bout her crying so and yeah when ppl cry it calls more attention to things it’s just human nature
She's completely fake. A big fat fake waster who lies about sexual assault to break contracts she doesn't want to honour. This is the 4th contract she has tried to burn, and these lies - that useful idiots like you are parroting - are designed purely to break a contract. It is sad you love hating people and are too weak to look at the facts.
@@leafypie4129 yeah not even worth acknowledging these kind of opinions anymore. They've obviously never been raped. Worthless opinions lol. (The person you were responding to not you)
Thank you. I was raped at 19, and only told my roommate until I was 29. Then I told my family and a therapist. It's wonderful to see intelligent people fighting back against this sick, twisted response people have about rape. As you stated, it makes no sense that Kesha is trying to extort him. It's just another smear campaigns conducted against a rape victim. After I was raped, I saw other girls come forward about their own rapes, and the school twice punished the victims for underage drinking, but the boys were not punished at all. By the way, my rapist is a huge success in the music industry! I wish there had been a supportive environment where I could have pressed charges, and gotten some help for myself, but I fell into a deep depression for years afterward.
im sorry for all of this shit that has happened to you it's disgusting how authorities that should help the victims end up punishing them and/or blaming them while the abuser is almost always free and treated like the actual victim i hope you're ok and healing and i wish you nothing but happiness and success
@@iwanttoquit thanks so much. I am doing pretty well! I’m happy in general, I have a relationship and a dog and a stepkid. Thanks for your good wishes x
@@dougspidermanhappy YAY IM SO HAPPY FOR YOU!!!! thank you for the upate as well ahhh i really am super happy for you all the love for you, your significant other, your dog and your step kid!! ❤❤
Emily Brown I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about her not being free to express herself as an artist. She signed a contract, she now belongs to that label. What I'm saying has nothing to do with the alleged rape.
@@studiodevelopers2467 Safehouse records is a real label by Demi Lovato which goal is to give full creative control. I thought it was wordplay till I googled it.
This guy is dirt. It does ot matter if he raped her or not, he should let her go because she does not want to be their. It says lot of they guy dont you think? She does not want it. He does. I mean ...come on.
+meld beach But it does... She signed a contract. Legally, the industry DOES have control over her - she signed her life/soul away for the money and fame.
+MsRadicalReviews but it does NOT give them a right too RAPE and DRUG someone, yea u stay with the business and industry for a long time, but does that even make the rape Ok? She didn't sign a contract saying " oh and we r gonna drug and potentially rape you when ever or how ever we want" in my opinion that was a bullshit excuse, sorry
+Ariana Cabrera She went on record to state that she was never sexually abused, drugged, or raped. Simply put, she is lying to get out of her contract.
+Nadia D "What does Kesha have to gain?" An out for a six album contract? if you know anything about record deals you would know that that is not a contract you want to be in and she doesn't have to work with Dr Luke so clearly her issue is with the contract not who shes gonna be working with.
Its still not proved that Dr. Luke actually assaulted her and it isn't unheard of that someone would make such a claim to try and get out of a situation like this one. The man is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way aroud
+Masterpsflood This isn't a question of his guilt, it was a question of contract and she was obviously being intensely traumatized regardless of whether or not she was raped.
Katy C The standard of guilt exists for everyone. You can't just pick and choose when to apply it... You said "Dr. Luke could be the biggest psychopath". Well Kesha could be the biggest psychopath too. Do you see the dilemma? Welcome to reality. Enjoy.
It is sad that victims of rape and sexual assault don't come forward sooner. If they did there could evidence that can be documented to be used against the person doing it.
I came forward. I was told by the police that no one would believe me. When it happened as a child, my dad only got 6 months for me and my sister, for me he was SAing me for 7 YEARS of my life since I was a baby. You have NO idea what it's like and DV follows the same gameplan. I have a million examples from my personal life and across the US. Do you know how many rape kits are left untested for a decade+? This is widespread and a global issue. Don't you dare blame us. WE did not climb on top of ourselves and traumatize ourselves. Your comment is blaming victims/survivors. You said this 8 years ago. People can grow and change for the better. I sure hope you have.
Ok, this hits hard for me. I'm crying my eyes out...I thank the people in this video, especially the first woman. I was a victim of rape 20 years ago and I never have gone forward with it. For the exact reasons she said: the finger pointing, the "you wanted it" etc. Because in the majority of cases the rapist is known by the victim. 99 times out of 100 - not always, but most often the crime is committed by someone known to you. And that's how they get away with it. Because DNA doesn't prove rape. It only proves that there was sex. Not whether it was consensual or not. So the rapist will say that it was consensual she just regretted it later etc, etc. And also it is EXTREMELY rare that rape cases ever get as far as a court room. And if/when it does get that far, the VICTIM is the one on trial, not the criminal! The criminal gets all the rights, while the victims history is ripped apart. I wish I was strong enough to stand up and go through trying to prosecute. But I'm not. I wasn't 20 years ago, and I'm even worse now. PTSD has ruled my life. I am triggered by words, smells, sounds, and can't have anyone touch my ears (it's too personal to explain the reason.) The flash backs, the nightmares are never ending. I've tried so many Therapies, Therapists, Phycologists, psychiatrists etc to name. Yet it still feels like yesterday that it happened. I tried to block it out, which only kinda worked for not even 3 years, because it would keep invading no matter how hard I tried. Then there are people who DO lie about being raped. Which makes me crazy angry. This is not a thing to be played with! And they make the REAL victims look really bad. That's why we don't get taken seriously. That's why SO MANY rapes go unreported! And I can't blame the people who don't want to report it, because look what happens most of the time when people DO come forward. And believe me, the shame, the feeling dirty, the questioning to ourselves of "did I ask for it, did I send mixed signals, did I fight hard enough, did I scream loud enough" NEVER EVER stops. The guilt, being ashamed, that I "let" it happen, that I somehow "deserved it." - I know isn't true, but deep down I still feel those feelings a lot. For the victim, it's a life long sentence, for the rapists when on the rare occasion they are found guilty only get a few years of punishment, whereas for us it's a life time punishment. And for all the ones who get away with it, they couldn't care less about what they did and will often go do it again and again. And yes, I know it's because a lot of victims don't report it. So how can we complain when they go do it again, we should have tried to stop them. I get that I do. But it's easier said than done. There is so much SHAME and dirtiness that comes with being raped. We don't want to relive it, we don't want to see the person that raped us again and again, we mostly just want to forget it ever happened and never think of it again EVER. So something needs to change in rape culture. The way victims are treated is appalling. And if this is how someone well known gets treated, what hope do us nameless people have? But thank you to this show, and all of the people standing behind Kesha. There has to be a way to change rape culture...
Tee Kay as an incest/rape survivor I concur with everything you stated... smh prayers for you, Kesha and others like us that should have never been treated the way we were treated 🙏
I'm so sorry for what you went through, and I know Kesha is going through hell right now. Kesha is brave as hell, and I'm glad she's taking a stand here, but God, this has to be so hard for her!!!!!
I'm so sorry about you and Kesha!My heart is with you and every sexual assault victim.I wish one day rapist will have the blame,'cause what the fuck do you have into your head if you rape?I don't think that people can be called humans...There is a place on hell for that people and I wish they're going to burn in hell forever and ever,'cause has the power to truly forgive and the god I pray,he is not going to forgive them
Layla Hassan well I wasn't asking you so I don't know what you say is actually in conjunction with Miss Whites views,but your view is appreciated. But why is The Church reference cringe worthy? Is it because its a unfair comparison? Or just the nature of topic? As I don't view it be worthy of cringe.
+disgustingfruitsnacks The contract to my understanding, is that she has to produce 6 albums. And that has not been completed. Therefore, she's still trapped with Sony.
I hope Sony drops Dr. Luke and negotiates a settlement with Ke$ha. There's nothing worse then having to relive a sexual assault over and over again in court in front of strangers except having your career on the line as well.
Uhm people just so you know Kesha is a fucking liar and is disgusting. Dr Luke never raped here she just tried to get out of her contract with him in this way. I actually know him because my mom used to work at his company prescription songs. They are good friends. And also just so you know somebody else’s assistant accused dr Luke of rape to try and get their boss out of a contract with him. I don’t like you supporting somebody that is lying and you would never know the impact this made on dr Luke’s career.
when people say you can't label a man a rapist with no proof?! this is why woman don't come forward or tell people about this because this is the kind of shit they have to put up with! obviously you can't prove someone was raped with no proof but instead of callin victims guilty look at the bigger picture of things and understand rape is wrong and shouldn't be accepted end off!!!!
Alyssa Vevo you know guys can be raped as well im only saying this because in the comments all i hear is that "omg girls cant come forward" ect but a guy can also be raped also i forgot where but somewhere you can make a guy pay for child support from a baby you got from raping him so the whole sytem is fucked up and girls get the best of it which i think is shitty so i dont think there should be a thing called feminism cause girls have it alot easier in bits (coming from a girl)
Alyssa Vevo you know guys can be raped as well im only saying this because in the comments all i hear is that "omg girls cant come forward" ect but a guy can also be raped also i forgot where but somewhere you can make a guy pay for child support from a baby you got from raping him so the whole sytem is fucked up and girls get the best of it which i think is shitty so i dont think there should be a thing called feminism cause girls have it alot easier in bits (coming from a girl)
Alyssa Vevo if there wasn't any proof needed a lot of innocent people would be put in jail. Now rape victims do deserve more support but not by automatically supporting someone who says a person raped them. I read a women who kept text messages from her rapist that were pretty descriptive and mean who didn't get jailed, this is where the legal system fails.
Sony couldnt give a fuck about humanity. They are all standing there with giant sticls up their asses arguing about money wjen she is trying to speak up
@Autist of Wrath I think he was just trying to play devils advocit. Otherwise it would be a very one sided discussion and therefore make it not really a discussion
He wasn’t being biased he was showing the viewpoint of Sony, he was pretty clear that he wasn’t sure about the allegations and that very often people are sexually abused in the music industry. Like the woman said in the video he was just trying to stay neutral.
what if it wasn't true? what if she was just trying to break her fourth contract after breaking the previous 3 and made up allegations through her mom to threaten him to force her to leave?
Tbh what has happened to Kesha is so unfortunate and sad. Who else remembers when Tik Tok and her other songs were dominating the charts and all over the radio? She is so talented and has so many hits. She was basically on top of the world then all of the sudden this whole Dr. Luke situation comes to light. I remember seeing that video of her in court crying and it honestly pissed me off. I could tell that was coming from a place of hurt and sadness. No matter what, I hope Kesha continues to stay positive because people will always like her music. At the end of the day, Dr. Luke has to live with what he did.
Speaking to the Taylor/Demi situation. Taylor probably wanted to stay neutral as far as the argument over his guilt or not because it hasn't been established, what she did also speaks on behalf of her opinion over the situation. and it's obvious not everyone has the money to do that, but she does and the fact that she decided to use it in this manor rather than buying. new car also speaks volumes about where her heart is. No one would be questioned her had she not done this, so I believe her position was to 1.not blast the producer when she doesn't know the truth and 2. still support an artist who potentially had this horrible thing happen. Demi is right, it should be talked about, but Taylor choosing to act in this manor isn't wrong, it's simply to remain neutral. It's possible Dr.Luke didnt commit this crime, and choosing to go on record saying he's guilty as others have done could be damaging to her. She still made a statement of her support.
I loved all of this except for Grace's support towards Demi's posts; they're so self-centered it's ridiculous. This isn't about Demi or about Taylor, this is about Kesha - Demi turning this into a competition and saying that she somehow cares more than Taylor (or other people) because she threw some tweets into the universe is absolutely absurd. Multiple people can care about an issue and support it in different ways. I'm a big fan of Demi's music and message, but she's coming across so immature and self-righteous in this whole thing.
@@maverickpierce2141 In the end, which helps Kesha stand on her feet? Unnecessarily drama-filled tweets or some food, water, and money to pay the rent?
as a woman i totally understand why women dont come forward when they are assaulted, BUT, how can anyone expect to accuse a man of rape with absolutely nothing but an allegation. You cant charge someone without proof, thats why women have to act immediately, dont be a victim longer than you have too.
valerie cobain okay so how is Kesha supposed to get proof. Travel back in time maybe and film the events that took place? She was drugged up at least once as we've informed so then that means no proof there. So please tell me what sort of proof she could bring forward.
Whats sad is any proof is likely gone at this point. She could have gone to the hospital or turned over clothing she wore for DNA but its gone now. Doesn't sound like there were witnesses. But they are absolutely right. I've been in that boat. So many victims feel ashamed, don't want to talk about it as they just relive everything, fear retaliation and some flat out deny it because it's so painful to process. After I came forward, the slut shaming and retaliation was AWFUL. Brutal, heartless, cruel and inhumane doesn't even begin to cover it. I was blackmailed by the offender and his friends. You're in hell before you come forward and you're in hell after you come forward. Its a mindfuck all around. Thankfully, the harassment towards me has stopped now but the words, the images of that day, remembering how bad I was shaking when I went to the police will forever be in my mind...no matter how scared someone is, if they fall victim to any crime or witness one, go to the police immediately. Time is of the essence in criminal cases.
+jamiesj Ohyeah lol. Censoring on the net is so meh. If it's content for little children then sure (or just don't use those words), but this is not for that target audience
The two ladies are in the right. Kasha it's clearly a victim. This case is just messed up. Prayers for Kasha to resolve this case and that she can find freedom and relief soon. The guy sited to the right is in the dark.
You can't just nullify a contract by accusing someone of rape. Otherwise everyone would do that and contracts would become meaningless. The judge determined that there wasn't enough proof that there was abuse. End of story. No amount of crying or celebrity and fan endorsements constitutes evidence.
+kesayo I think it’s sad if this really happened to her and she just wants to break her contract and move on. But you are 100% correct. The judge’s ruling is fair based on the evidence. Your comment is spot on.
I live under a rock and knew nothing about this. Let's look back when Michael Jackson Boycotted Sony. Do ppl believe that he was doing this to get money out of Sony. Michael Jackson made billions for Sony. Kesha is a grain of sand on a beach to Sony. They don't care about her they care about MONEY!!!! Defending this "Dr.Luke" won't cost that much money (to Sony), to defend him. Kesha isn't going to bring them enough money to care. If they release her from her contract now it's like an admission of guilt to them. They aren't going to care. But why aren't the other artists with Sony making a stand? Because they care about their money, their careers to do so! We live is messed up society that's only getting worse. So Sony you go ahead and flex your balls against this young girl, go ahead and destroy her and continue to make your millions everyday. Where's Kenya's big mouth stand against what's happening? He has a lot to say at award ceremonies about what's fair. PS I don't buy CD's !!!
Clancy Wiggum excuse me feminist are feminist OK. Dont go around saying "oh no women say this because of blah blah blah and because of men they force them selves to say blah blah blah." first of all you have no proof of what your saying and basically just saying your opinion on one thing. P's internet does not count since its based of opinions that are forced to be on there since there was no complete evidence.
Interesting. Look at the body language of the woman on the left side at 10:31. When she says to the man on the far right, "You are trying to stay neutral...". She is completely convinced of her own conclusions in this case, and she is totally unwilling to accept any other possibility. She has her arms crossed as well as her legs (she was already sitting in this position from the beginning) as she dismisses the perspective of the man on the right. The person in the middle is sitting more or less passively in the while occupying more physical space with her posture. It shows more confidence and calm on her part. I'm not judging the merits of the arguments either way because what we do know conclusively at this point is that Kesha lost the case; right, wrong, or otherwise. But, I find it interesting to see how people subconsciously telegraph what they are feeling. If this was a business deal, the woman on the left would not be moved from her position.
I was sexually molested by my grandfather from ages 11-13 and I told my parents but I never told anyone bc I know the law. I’m not an idiot. If I had wanted something to happen I should have come forward sooner.
I'm a villain, but heres the thing: Sony offered to let her work with another producer Also she testified on oath that he did not rape her, that he did not sexually abuse her. Knowing all of this, I can't say that without a doubt in my mind, that Dr. Luke was sexually abusing her. He could have, DO NOT GET ME WRONG; but, given all of the facts, I can't say he did, especially when she testified, under oath, that he did not rape her.
Some people just don't give a fuck if they're put under oath . They will still lie , it doesn't matter if he was under oath he'll probably do whatever it takes to protect his label even if that means to lie in court .
+Jacky Raya My apologies, I think I might have communicated wrong, Kesha, in a 2011 court hearing said, under oath, that she was not being sexually harassed by Dr. Luke. m.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/kesha-testified-under-oath-that-dr-luke-sexual-assault-never-happened-20141023-11acaf.html
I hope this urges women to come forward as soon as possible. Kesha, we stand with you. I am so sorry this happened to you. The music industry has some very evil people in it.
I believe her. I don't think she would risk a scandal and a false accusation haunting her had she not experienced something. Katy Perry is also obviously psychologically scarred from what she's seen and done on her quest for fame. This is NOTHING new!
A bunch of kids were molested by some clergyman at my friend's Lutheran Church. It's very common and yet the media doesn't report it. Kids are raped all of the time in schools and yet no one brings that up. He's ignorant. Anyplace where there are children: schools, churches, YMCA, etc, will attract pedophiles. I'm tired of people acting like all priests are pedophiles. It is not true. Some are pedophiles and some are not. The same applies to schoolteachers, coaches and anyone else that works with kids.
They absolutely morally matter! Laws are alwaaaays late morally. We don't give a shit about contracts here. They should not matter in a situation like this, not considering feelings here is not being neutral, it's being a fucking sociopath.
+Emily Forfar he's produced most of the hits you've heard on the radio for the past decade: Demi Lovato, Kesha, Kelly Clarkson, Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, Justin Timberlake, Gwen Stefani, Ariana Grande... The list goes on. Most A-list celebs have worked with him/sang songs he wrote
I'm not saying that she's lying or anything, because on this particular issue I'm on Kesha's side, but I think there has to be some evidence for there to be repercussions for Dr. Luke. There are a lot of cases where the "victim" cries wolf and people are wrongfully imprisoned, so I just think the standard thing should be to have evidence. I do think that they should've let her out of the contract since she was obviously in a lot of distress. She didn't even ask for him to be thrown in jail, so it's not like what she wanted was unreasonable. Honestly, I feel awful for Kesha.
You're absolutely right as far as a criminal case, but that's not this. at the very least she should be able to buy her way out of the contract but in a situation like this where criminal charges are not being pursued I don't think there was any harm in giving her the benefit of the doubt and nullifying the contract between them.
They just hit the nail when they say: "I see Dr. Luke caring, Kesha caring, even if they're in opposite sides....but for Sony, it's all about the image of the company, contracts and money". That's the sad reality. People still saying Kesha lies don't realize she is actually destroying her career by accusing her producer and that she will be canned and frozen, she will not sing again. She CAN'T sing unless Sony allows her to do so, or breaks her contract so she can look for another record label. By denying to break the contract, they're effectively killing her musically because they won't support a singer that crossed them either. Why would she lie, anyways??? Because she is a masochist that enjoys poverty and going back to working at McDonalds??? In the meantime, Dr. Luke has all the reasons in the world to deny the charges, and Sony, to avoid being seen as a company that supports rapists and abusers, will side with him, just like The Vatican protects pederasts. Only people that have been in the music or film industry know for a fact how powerful producers and directors are, how common sexual favors (willingly given) and abuse (forced by powerful people on artists) are, and how thin the line between those categories (sexual favor vs. being raped) is.
Simbarashe Nyamarebvu Because that way she can't go to another label to make money for others and talk badly about them. But don't be mistaken; the fact Sony has decided to keep Kesha does NOT mean they will make another album for her; they will simply do what labels do with 50% of artists: she will be "canned", not released from her contract but they won't spend money on her either and they won't allow her to work. So Kesha will have to start working outside music to pay the rent, and that's how Sony will effectively kill her career.
First - its a he said/she said scenario. IMO Kesha is a sociopath. If you want proof check out her reality show. Also her mother emailed Dr. Luke saying they'd go public with rape allegations if they didn't dissolve the contract (if that's the case why not go directly for charges against Dr. Luke?). Also a direct quote from Kesha: "I knew everything about sex before I was even seven. My mom left me at home when I was 14 with a credit card, and a box of condoms and the keys to the car and said, 'Don't get pregnant and don't drink and drive'." (Great parenting). Add to that, in 2011 in a legal deposition she said Dr. Luke did nothing. This story is complicated but bottom line - don't make a deal with the devil (sign contracts) if you don't want to lose your soul. Love is love - business is business. The whole situation just sounds fishy on both sides but you can't necessarily fault Sony for not having "feelings". Businesses aren't run on feelings. Now if Dr. Luke was charged in a court of law - different story they most likely would drop him (although in this day and age, companies get rid of people after "allegations" without requiring courts, or proof).
Innocent until proven guilty. Due process is important. We'd all want it if we were accused of a crime. This court of public opinion is disgusting. If its proven in court that Dr. Luke did commit these crimes, then by all means, prosecute him to the full extent of the law. Until then, ruining a person's life on allegations is absolutely deplorable.
moonlitegram how is his life ruined?? He's still doing well and making plenty of $$ I get your point, I really do, but it's VERY hard to prove a rape occurred. All DNA does is prove they had sex, he will say it was consensual, she will say it wasn't. And it's hard to prove years after the fact when any DNA will be forever lost. So I get you saying not to label him a rapist for life, but you have to understand, we (as rape victims) are damned if we DO (speak up) and also damned if we don't (speak up). So she's a liar and bitter if she comes forward, but if she stays quiet people say "why didn't she report it, she must be lying. Until you've been a victim of rape, you can't understand. You think you know what you'd do but when it actually happens you may react a completely different way. Shame, the relationship between the people: one younger, one older, someone in a position of power versus someone at a lower level, etc etc. It can change EVERYTHING. Not trying to argue, I'm just trying to give you my point of view. Take care.
Sad thing is, is that it's hard to prove you've been raped (unless you report it as soon as possible, of course). And sometimes they will try to justify rape by asking questions like "what were you wearing?" And saying "you should have tried to fight it off stronger". Sometimes the system can be really fucked up. The least they should do is allow her to not work with them.
I don't like Sam's passionate view in this case. She has obviously not done her research on "false rape accusations." Reason why? Because it's literally a dark number statistic. We can't know how many false cases were done because they are false! Every statistican knows that to know something like this, every single women who made a false accusation has to come out and tell the truth of what she did. And there is no way in heck that even a fraction of women are going to do that. There's no way to know that number. That's why we have evidence ladies. Because we don't know who is lying and who isn't.
I don't have any idea why this issue/case means so much to me... But it does. This kind of thing goes down all the time but this hits my heart for some reason. I love Kesha and I am also very open to all sides of any story. What did Kesha have to gain by putting herself in this position?? Nothing that I can see other than the freedom to make music without someone she says was abusing her. I like the various points of view in this discussion. Well done.
People are sooo stupid. The thing is, Kesha lost most of her money due to her lawsuit and after her injunction against Dr. Luke was denied, Sony offered her to work with other producers if she publicly apologizes and claims her allegations are a lie. But she refused and accepted that her career would be damaged even further. Would a liar do this? Kesha risked everything she had and yet there are people who think she lied, although Kelly Clarkson, P!nk, Becky G, Charli XCX and others also stated based on their personal experiences what a disgusting person Dr. Luke is. Kelly Clarkson even refused writing credits for a song produced by Dr. Luke once because she hated him so much that she did not want to be associated with him and P!nk said that she feels not sorry for him, that he is not a great human being and what happened to him due to Kesha's case is karma. Charli XCX wrote a whole song about her negative experiences with him called "Sucker".
She's not even asking for him to be arrested, she's just asked to not work with a company that supports him.
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+Maggie// Buttercup8171 Just out of curiosity, why isn't she asking for his arrest??
+BullShitThat probably because she wouldn't get it anyway.
+BullShitThat There's a statute of limitations on rape allegations. I think it's 7 years. I think it's been too long for her to prosecute him for the rape since it's been 10 years since it happened.
+Maggie// Buttercup8171 that's I think actually one of the main reasons why people find her allegations suspicious.
Didn't Michael Jackson warn people about Sony back in the day?
Yeah
+lasest2 Check your facts. The boys later said that their parents forced them to make these accusations!
+lasest2 No he fucking wasn't. Check your facts.
This escalated quickly. Lol.
***** You're obviously biased. Michael was proven innocent in court due to there being zero evidence of him being a pedophile and the accusing families being extortionists.
I wish I can hug her. I know it's old news now, but still, seeing that pic of her crying is heartwrenching. Poor babygirl.
buddha, your comments are hateful, horrible and unnecessary. Your comment should be removed and I have reported you.
Brett Elliott are you claiming representation of an entire religion. if so i'm pretty sure you died hundreds of years ago around about the same time your ideals died
gosh you people don't deserve an internet connection, why can't you just have a good conversation? Biz_Markie91 I support your opinion, these introverts just came here to war and make themselves feel validated, seriously they feel everything being offensive and start quarreling .
Why is everyone hating on this comment seeing he crying made her sad and me sad she looked like she was so sad and just felt like her life was over could you imagine. Geese her comment was nice.
Biz_Markie91 i agree i love her
"Praying" is her reply to all this and I think it's her best song ever.
Ditto!
P K She was apart of the creative process. Does a women singing her pain upset you? You need to ask yourself why? TF
put him in his place! also i think he deleted his comment :)
Agree!
It's gonna be the best song of her career. VERY hard to top and it's completely raw.
As a victim of Sexual assault, Ke$ha is an icon to me. I've never come forward about my assaults and I never will, for the exact reasons they gave. I would never be believed. But Ke$ha is so strong and courageous and amazing. It takes an amazing person for taking a stand against her abuser
Stay strong and you'll soon get out of it ❤
Uhm people just so you know Kesha is a fucking liar and is disgusting. Dr Luke never raped here she just tried to get out of her contract with him in this way. I actually know him because my mom used to work at his company prescription songs. They are good friends. And also just so you know somebody else’s assistant accused dr Luke of rape to try and get their boss out of a contract with him.
I don’t like you supporting somebody that is lying and you would never know the impact this made on dr Luke’s career. Even if Kesha was lying.
@@herblybxb_ So you have proof or are you believing your mom's word? You're no better than the accuser if you can't provide hard evidence, so don't get mad at people for siding with her. The same way you are trusting your mom and Dr. Luke's words is the same way Kesha's fanbase is trusting hers so you're neither higher or lower than them.
Uh who said I don’t have evidence? I was literally in L.A during the incident a few years ago. I go there often.
Saying you would never be believed is bullshit. Unless you were equating a hug to sexual assault.
Why does this guy even call himself "Dr Luke"? that's icky in itself.
+MishKat why is "Dr.Dre" calling himself that? or "The Dream" calling himself that?.. seems all music producers pick egotistic nicknames
MishMila016 It's Dr.Puke now
Also if you get a Doctors degree (not an actual doctor) you can be called Dr.(your name here)
Dr. Luke sounds more like an evil cartoon villain. Dr. Dre doesn't for some reason, but maybe because we're so used to Dre.
Dr. Dre is offended.
Dr.Luke is the one extorting Kesha.. When Flo Rida's song right round came out, Dr.Luke made Kesha sing the background and it became a #1 single and Dr.Luke didn't give her a single dollar!!
Actually, Kesha claimed she chose to not make a cent off that song because she wanted to make a name for herself all on her own.
evidence?
+Edgar Cruz got evidence kesha got rape ?? nope
+james randy got evidence as to why kesha would sacrifice a very successful career to make up a lie about somebody she works closely with? No exactly she isn't lying she wants to be free from her contract and there is nothing wrong with that
+Edgar Cruz he invested in her
Why can't she cry with nobody talking about it? Like what a girl can't cry in public? Kesha is soooo strong!
Lindsey McKinnon they weren’t even saying anything wrong bout her crying so and yeah when ppl cry it calls more attention to things it’s just human nature
@@sarahroy5353 if i cry i just want to be alone
She's completely fake. A big fat fake waster who lies about sexual assault to break contracts she doesn't want to honour. This is the 4th contract she has tried to burn, and these lies - that useful idiots like you are parroting - are designed purely to break a contract. It is sad you love hating people and are too weak to look at the facts.
Fur Queue anyways, back to the relevant opinions 🙄
@@leafypie4129 yeah not even worth acknowledging these kind of opinions anymore. They've obviously never been raped. Worthless opinions lol. (The person you were responding to not you)
Thank you. I was raped at 19, and only told my roommate until I was 29. Then I told my family and a therapist. It's wonderful to see intelligent people fighting back against this sick, twisted response people have about rape. As you stated, it makes no sense that Kesha is trying to extort him. It's just another smear campaigns conducted against a rape victim. After I was raped, I saw other girls come forward about their own rapes, and the school twice punished the victims for underage drinking, but the boys were not punished at all. By the way, my rapist is a huge success in the music industry! I wish there had been a supportive environment where I could have pressed charges, and gotten some help for myself, but I fell into a deep depression for years afterward.
I'm sorry that happened to you. This world is messed up. We need change.
im sorry for all of this shit that has happened to you it's disgusting how authorities that should help the victims end up punishing them and/or blaming them while the abuser is almost always free and treated like the actual victim
i hope you're ok and healing and i wish you nothing but happiness and success
@@iwanttoquit thanks so much. I am doing pretty well! I’m happy in general, I have a relationship and a dog and a stepkid. Thanks for your good wishes x
@@dougspidermanhappy YAY IM SO HAPPY FOR YOU!!!! thank you for the upate as well ahhh i really am super happy for you all the love for you, your significant other, your dog and your step kid!! ❤❤
It's just sad. She's an artist and she should be able practice her art freely.
+anis ari Artist? Her music is produced dribble with no talent behind it.
UlyssesGaming she writes the most of her songs by her own. and writes songs for other Artist and you say there is no talent behind that?
anis ari she shouldn't have signed the contract then
Lorenzo Zarate how was she supposed to know the dude was going to rape her when she signed the contact though?
Emily Brown I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about her not being free to express herself as an artist. She signed a contract, she now belongs to that label. What I'm saying has nothing to do with the alleged rape.
it's a shame she can't be signed under Demi Lovato's safehouse records!
Ameliah Jayne whats her record?
@@kathyle949 he literally said it in the comment " safe record "
@@kathyle949
Safehouse records ! You dumb shit. Dont play on words.
Free Kesha !!!!
@@studiodevelopers2467 Safehouse records is a real label by Demi Lovato which goal is to give full creative control. I thought it was wordplay till I googled it.
studio developers2 that’s a bit rude calling Kathy Le a dumb shit
This guy is dirt. It does ot matter if he raped her or not, he should let her go because she does not want to be their. It says lot of they guy dont you think? She does not want it. He does. I mean ...come on.
+Koffy PR I mean, it matter but even if is false, he should let her go.
+Alli Cat She was in a contract. You're a dumbass lmao.
Y’all are dumb HE DOES NOT CONSTRUCT A CONTRACT. THIS IS A BASIC MUSIC COMPOSITION CONTRACT.
Love you, kesha! Stay strong and you will come up on top of this.
The industry has no control over you.
yes
+meld beach But it does... She signed a contract. Legally, the industry DOES have control over her - she signed her life/soul away for the money and fame.
+MsRadicalReviews but it does NOT give them a right too RAPE and DRUG someone, yea u stay with the business and industry for a long time, but does that even make the rape Ok? She didn't sign a contract saying " oh and we r gonna drug and potentially rape you when ever or how ever we want" in my opinion that was a bullshit excuse, sorry
+Ariana Cabrera She went on record to state that she was never sexually abused, drugged, or raped. Simply put, she is lying to get out of her contract.
Eduardo Pereira she has no reason to lie because she risked everything she had in her career. She was being manipulated by the media to say that.
"What does Kesha have to gain?" Exactly. WHY WOULD SHE BE GOING THROUGH ALL THIS.
It defies all reason people. Thank you so much for doing this show!!
+Nadia D "What does Kesha have to gain?" An out for a six album contract? if you know anything about record deals you would know that that is not a contract you want to be in and she doesn't have to work with Dr Luke so clearly her issue is with the contract not who shes gonna be working with.
secrets and money duh lol whats the secret thoe 😮
Michael jackson I wish we listened to u...😖😢
You*
L Lhhjb he/she knows that its just a simpler way of writing you so dont act smart cuz i think he or she know
@@adamak8324 I can act smart all I want who gonna check me?
L Lhhjb stfu
Oh sorry “shut the fuck up” that better for UR smartass?
Its still not proved that Dr. Luke actually assaulted her and it isn't unheard of that someone would make such a claim to try and get out of a situation like this one. The man is innocent until proven guilty, not the other way aroud
+Masterpsflood This isn't a question of his guilt, it was a question of contract and she was obviously being intensely traumatized regardless of whether or not she was raped.
She is not even asking for him to be proven guilty just wants to be away from him.... is it so hard?
Katy C Ironic... lol
Katy C The standard of guilt exists for everyone. You can't just pick and choose when to apply it...
You said "Dr. Luke could be the biggest psychopath". Well Kesha could be the biggest psychopath too. Do you see the dilemma? Welcome to reality. Enjoy.
AGREED
Kesha fires back with PRAYING!! Doctor Luke there's your song!! She came back!!! 💥
What’s disgusting is that Dr. Luke admitted he makes money from Kesha’s new music.... Think about that one for a minute.
burn it with fire
It is sad that victims of rape and sexual assault don't come forward sooner. If they did there could evidence that can be documented to be used against the person doing it.
Okay but, the fear there and the worry of not being believed and things like this happening is exactly WHY they don't.
Sometimes there's not any evidence except DNA and collecting DNA doesn't mean rape.
I came forward. I was told by the police that no one would believe me. When it happened as a child, my dad only got 6 months for me and my sister, for me he was SAing me for 7 YEARS of my life since I was a baby. You have NO idea what it's like and DV follows the same gameplan. I have a million examples from my personal life and across the US. Do you know how many rape kits are left untested for a decade+? This is widespread and a global issue. Don't you dare blame us. WE did not climb on top of ourselves and traumatize ourselves. Your comment is blaming victims/survivors. You said this 8 years ago. People can grow and change for the better. I sure hope you have.
Ok, this hits hard for me. I'm crying my eyes out...I thank the people in this video, especially the first woman. I was a victim of rape 20 years ago and I never have gone forward with it. For the exact reasons she said: the finger pointing, the "you wanted it" etc. Because in the majority of cases the rapist is known by the victim. 99 times out of 100 - not always, but most often the crime is committed by someone known to you. And that's how they get away with it. Because DNA doesn't prove rape. It only proves that there was sex. Not whether it was consensual or not. So the rapist will say that it was consensual she just regretted it later etc, etc. And also it is EXTREMELY rare that rape cases ever get as far as a court room. And if/when it does get that far, the VICTIM is the one on trial, not the criminal! The criminal gets all the rights, while the victims history is ripped apart.
I wish I was strong enough to stand up and go through trying to prosecute. But I'm not. I wasn't 20 years ago, and I'm even worse now. PTSD has ruled my life. I am triggered by words, smells, sounds, and can't have anyone touch my ears (it's too personal to explain the reason.) The flash backs, the nightmares are never ending. I've tried so many Therapies, Therapists, Phycologists, psychiatrists etc to name. Yet it still feels like yesterday that it happened. I tried to block it out, which only kinda worked for not even 3 years, because it would keep invading no matter how hard I tried.
Then there are people who DO lie about being raped. Which makes me crazy angry. This is not a thing to be played with! And they make the REAL victims look really bad. That's why we don't get taken seriously. That's why SO MANY rapes go unreported! And I can't blame the people who don't want to report it, because look what happens most of the time when people DO come forward.
And believe me, the shame, the feeling dirty, the questioning to ourselves of "did I ask for it, did I send mixed signals, did I fight hard enough, did I scream loud enough" NEVER EVER stops. The guilt, being ashamed, that I "let" it happen, that I somehow "deserved it." - I know isn't true, but deep down I still feel those feelings a lot. For the victim, it's a life long sentence, for the rapists when on the rare occasion they are found guilty only get a few years of punishment, whereas for us it's a life time punishment. And for all the ones who get away with it, they couldn't care less about what they did and will often go do it again and again. And yes, I know it's because a lot of victims don't report it. So how can we complain when they go do it again, we should have tried to stop them. I get that I do. But it's easier said than done. There is so much SHAME and dirtiness that comes with being raped. We don't want to relive it, we don't want to see the person that raped us again and again, we mostly just want to forget it ever happened and never think of it again EVER. So something needs to change in rape culture. The way victims are treated is appalling. And if this is how someone well known gets treated, what hope do us nameless people have?
But thank you to this show, and all of the people standing behind Kesha. There has to be a way to change rape culture...
Tee Kay as an incest/rape survivor I concur with everything you stated... smh prayers for you, Kesha and others like us that should have never been treated the way we were treated 🙏
I'm so sorry for what you went through, and I know Kesha is going through hell right now. Kesha is brave as hell, and I'm glad she's taking a stand here, but God, this has to be so hard for her!!!!!
I'm so sorry about you and Kesha!My heart is with you and every sexual assault victim.I wish one day rapist will have the blame,'cause what the fuck do you have into your head if you rape?I don't think that people can be called humans...There is a place on hell for that people and I wish they're going to burn in hell forever and ever,'cause has the power to truly forgive and the god I pray,he is not going to forgive them
Only god has the power*
I’m so sorry for you. You’re such a brave woman, and we need more people like you to voice your opinions.
Why does Hassan always say such cringe worthy things.
+Maddy White He's hot af so it's more of a shame.
amen
+Maddy White What was cringe worthy by Hassan?
+Maddy White Because he tells the "ugly" truth - everyone is innocent until proven guilty. you can cringe about it, but he's still right.
Layla Hassan well I wasn't asking you so I don't know what you say is actually in conjunction with Miss Whites views,but your view is appreciated. But why is The Church reference cringe worthy? Is it because its a unfair comparison? Or just the nature of topic? As I don't view it be worthy of cringe.
It's so sad how she's trapped with him
Does her contract end?
+disgustingfruitsnacks once she does 6 more albums, it's horrible
+disgustingfruitsnacks The contract to my understanding, is that she has to produce 6 albums. And that has not been completed. Therefore, she's still trapped with Sony.
+disgustingfruitsnacks No. She has to make 6 more albums I believe.
+disgustingfruitsnacks idk but in the contract it states that she has to make 6 more albums with Sony
"Record labels exploiting artists is like the Catholic Church molesting children." WELL SAID!!
Poor guy trying to sound smart. It's not working!
HE IS HOT THO ... LOL
Tom Y I think he’s fine.
Cult Mechanicus and? He is hot
I hope Sony drops Dr. Luke and negotiates a settlement with Ke$ha. There's nothing worse then having to relive a sexual assault over and over again in court in front of strangers except having your career on the line as well.
They're not going to do that. He's their hit maker
+thatgrl_logan That's would be the best thing Sony could do.
Uhm people just so you know Kesha is a fucking liar and is disgusting. Dr Luke never raped here she just tried to get out of her contract with him in this way. I actually know him because my mom used to work at his company prescription songs. They are good friends. And also just so you know somebody else’s assistant accused dr Luke of rape to try and get their boss out of a contract with him.
I don’t like you supporting somebody that is lying and you would never know the impact this made on dr Luke’s career.
@Quackss It’s naturally I am a bit biased because I have known the man since before this incident happened.
Chris Brown having a career & Kesha losing her career, speaks volumes.
+Uma Kompton's Fan Club She hasn't lost her career. She can still make music.
Ty so much grace and poptrigger
+Michael M Thanks for watching
Grace lives up to her name
+Mackenna Grasman I truly don't haha But thank you ❤️
+Grace Baldridge you're amazing
+Grace Baldridge seriously could never get tired of grace!
when people say you can't label a man a rapist with no proof?! this is why woman don't come forward or tell people about this because this is the kind of shit they have to put up with! obviously you can't prove someone was raped with no proof but instead of callin victims guilty look at the bigger picture of things and understand rape is wrong and shouldn't be accepted end off!!!!
Alyssa Vevo you know guys can be raped as well im only saying this because in the comments all i hear is that "omg girls cant come forward" ect but a guy can also be raped also i forgot where but somewhere you can make a guy pay for child support from a baby you got from raping him so the whole sytem is fucked up and girls get the best of it which i think is shitty so i dont think there should be a thing called feminism cause girls have it alot easier in bits (coming from a girl)
Alyssa Vevo you know guys can be raped as well im only saying this because in the comments all i hear is that "omg girls cant come forward" ect but a guy can also be raped also i forgot where but somewhere you can make a guy pay for child support from a baby you got from raping him so the whole sytem is fucked up and girls get the best of it which i think is shitty so i dont think there should be a thing called feminism cause girls have it alot easier in bits (coming from a girl)
Alyssa Vevo if there wasn't any proof needed a lot of innocent people would be put in jail. Now rape victims do deserve more support but not by automatically supporting someone who says a person raped them. I read a women who kept text messages from her rapist that were pretty descriptive and mean who didn't get jailed, this is where the legal system fails.
And people wonder why girls these days that claim they were raped are miserable.
EX👏🏾ACT👏🏾A👏🏾LY they spend all of there money just to be served bullshit they don’t deserve.
She's right, Sony doesn't give a shit at all!
+Miranda Sings' Bae lol their a corporation, of course they don't.
Sony couldnt give a fuck about humanity. They are all standing there with giant sticls up their asses arguing about money wjen she is trying to speak up
Grace was on fire in this episode! Go Grace
Was lit 🔥
+Pu Li Literally I was lit. This situation makes me so fucking mad.
Grace Baldridge Your rant was great. Keep it up
+Grace Baldridge
WOOT WOOT.
+MrHunter9511 I got chills when she got mad I FEEL YOU GIRL !!!
Kesha went from a $300million net worth to $2million net worth because of the lawsuits. She def did not do this for money.
Andrew Harmon her music is trash in my opinion
Hahahaha, what a joke, his last two albums, Rainbow and High Road are pieces of art
@@ryancolby8521 😑
Hassan's connection between the Catholic Church and record labels is very interesting.
I love Sam and Grace. They show so much compassion and fire and I love how divers their thoughts are.
the guy didn't seem to have any empathy about this whole situation.
@Autist of Wrath I think he was just trying to play devils advocit. Otherwise it would be a very one sided discussion and therefore make it not really a discussion
D Thizz Women dont ignore you because they’re feminists, they ignore you because you’re fucking gross.
He wasn’t being biased he was showing the viewpoint of Sony, he was pretty clear that he wasn’t sure about the allegations and that very often people are sexually abused in the music industry. Like the woman said in the video he was just trying to stay neutral.
what if it wasn't true?
what if she was just trying to break her fourth contract after breaking the previous 3 and made up allegations through her mom to threaten him to force her to leave?
also love the longer video!! i can sit and smoke a bowl at the same time ;p
+Grace Jones 🔥
+Grace Jones yo WORD
good idea
Same ! Can't watch these without being stoned off my ass
Armani Diaz you know they are 😊
I can't believe the judge wouldn't nullify. What a sick judicial system we have.
Sony seems to have a history of treating their artist badly
Can't prove it in court? No problem, lets take it to social media and get a conviction there.
EXACTLY!!! I HATE THAT MENTALITY
Tbh what has happened to Kesha is so unfortunate and sad. Who else remembers when Tik Tok and her other songs were dominating the charts and all over the radio? She is so talented and has so many hits. She was basically on top of the world then all of the sudden this whole Dr. Luke situation comes to light. I remember seeing that video of her in court crying and it honestly pissed me off. I could tell that was coming from a place of hurt and sadness. No matter what, I hope Kesha continues to stay positive because people will always like her music. At the end of the day, Dr. Luke has to live with what he did.
I wish Kesha to stay strong!
+Alain Bruno same here
+Alain Bruno I feel so bad for her :(`
+Alain Bruno Alain!!! I
Mailin winder
+Alain Bruno Heyyyyy again, Bruno. :)
Speaking to the Taylor/Demi situation. Taylor probably wanted to stay neutral as far as the argument over his guilt or not because it hasn't been established, what she did also speaks on behalf of her opinion over the situation. and it's obvious not everyone has the money to do that, but she does and the fact that she decided to use it in this manor rather than buying. new car also speaks volumes about where her heart is. No one would be questioned her had she not done this, so I believe her position was to 1.not blast the producer when she doesn't know the truth and 2. still support an artist who potentially had this horrible thing happen. Demi is right, it should be talked about, but Taylor choosing to act in this manor isn't wrong, it's simply to remain neutral. It's possible Dr.Luke didnt commit this crime, and choosing to go on record saying he's guilty as others have done could be damaging to her. She still made a statement of her support.
I loved all of this except for Grace's support towards Demi's posts; they're so self-centered it's ridiculous. This isn't about Demi or about Taylor, this is about Kesha - Demi turning this into a competition and saying that she somehow cares more than Taylor (or other people) because she threw some tweets into the universe is absolutely absurd. Multiple people can care about an issue and support it in different ways. I'm a big fan of Demi's music and message, but she's coming across so immature and self-righteous in this whole thing.
Luke Theler Demi is right tho Taylor just gave money, Demi actually speaks out about things unlike Taylor who does nothing
@@maverickpierce2141 In the end, which helps Kesha stand on her feet? Unnecessarily drama-filled tweets or some food, water, and money to pay the rent?
Hassan is just stating the truth. So many people lashing out at him and he's the rational one in the conversation.
It’s fu**ed up how the industry does these talented people. A lot of big artists from the 2010s had problems like this
lets not forget how many large artists support Kesha.
Dr Luke is a bad example for the Luke's in the world
+Luke Ruud I know right! We're good people.
I love grace so much!!!!!!
❤️
Grace is reading my mind once again
as a woman i totally understand why women dont come forward when they are assaulted, BUT, how can anyone expect to accuse a man of rape with absolutely nothing but an allegation. You cant charge someone without proof, thats why women have to act immediately, dont be a victim longer than you have too.
valerie cobain okay so how is Kesha supposed to get proof. Travel back in time maybe and film the events that took place? She was drugged up at least once as we've informed so then that means no proof there. So please tell me what sort of proof she could bring forward.
valerie cobain the fact that nothing happened to dr.luke is the reason that girls don't come out about literally anything
Gabby Appleby But again they can't charge him if they have no proof against him.
Oliver Farnum again, how was she going to get proof?
Whats sad is any proof is likely gone at this point. She could have gone to the hospital or turned over clothing she wore for DNA but its gone now. Doesn't sound like there were witnesses. But they are absolutely right. I've been in that boat. So many victims feel ashamed, don't want to talk about it as they just relive everything, fear retaliation and some flat out deny it because it's so painful to process. After I came forward, the slut shaming and retaliation was AWFUL. Brutal, heartless, cruel and inhumane doesn't even begin to cover it. I was blackmailed by the offender and his friends. You're in hell before you come forward and you're in hell after you come forward. Its a mindfuck all around. Thankfully, the harassment towards me has stopped now but the words, the images of that day, remembering how bad I was shaking when I went to the police will forever be in my mind...no matter how scared someone is, if they fall victim to any crime or witness one, go to the police immediately. Time is of the essence in criminal cases.
How come the main host doesn't get beeped out when she says "F*@%" but the female guess host does... twice??? lol
Why did you bleep Grace's "fuqs"? This is the internet, not TV with their ridiculous rules.
+Censtudios And not Sam's @ 07:16
+jamiesj Ohyeah lol. Censoring on the net is so meh. If it's content for little children then sure (or just don't use those words), but this is not for that target audience
The two ladies are in the right. Kasha it's clearly a victim. This case is just messed up.
Prayers for Kasha to resolve this case and that she can find freedom and relief soon.
The guy sited to the right is in the dark.
Love the comment about record companies and churches! It's so true!
'Praying' is phenomenal. I felt her emotions throughout the song❤
You can't just nullify a contract by accusing someone of rape. Otherwise everyone would do that and contracts would become meaningless. The judge determined that there wasn't enough proof that there was abuse. End of story. No amount of crying or celebrity and fan endorsements constitutes evidence.
+kesayo It's common sense. I don't get what people thought would come of this.
It's still disturbing.
+kesayo Finally someone sane
and the truth shall set them free....you said it perfectly...mic drop.!
+kesayo I think it’s sad if this really happened to her and she just wants to break her contract and move on. But you are 100% correct. The judge’s ruling is fair based on the evidence. Your comment is spot on.
It's sickening to keep hearing his name, DOCTOR Luke. He has no reason to have Dr. before his name.
I feel so bad for Kesha she was about to die first then she has to deal with dr Luke you should do more songs
Dr.Luke will never work in the music industry again...I hope
He probably will. He's a big deal and makes a lot of big hits. Kesha is no way near his value atm.
I live under a rock and knew nothing about this. Let's look back when Michael Jackson Boycotted Sony. Do ppl believe that he was doing this to get money out of Sony. Michael Jackson made billions for Sony. Kesha is a grain of sand on a beach to Sony. They don't care about her they care about MONEY!!!! Defending this "Dr.Luke" won't cost that much money (to Sony), to defend him. Kesha isn't going to bring them enough money to care. If they release her from her contract now it's like an admission of guilt to them. They aren't going to care. But why aren't the other artists with Sony making a stand? Because they care about their money, their careers to do so! We live is messed up society that's only getting worse. So Sony you go ahead and flex your balls against this young girl, go ahead and destroy her and continue to make your millions everyday. Where's Kenya's big mouth stand against what's happening? He has a lot to say at award ceremonies about what's fair. PS I don't buy CD's !!!
Why does when the co-host says "fuck" it gets beeped but when the host says it, it's fine?
There is probably a ton of rapist in these comments
A lot of them women since feminists preach that when a woman pins a man down and forces herself onto him they aren't rapists
If they are they're at least more rational that the emotional radfems
Clancy Wiggum excuse me feminist are feminist OK. Dont go around saying "oh no women say this because of blah blah blah and because of men they force them selves to say blah blah blah." first of all you have no proof of what your saying and basically just saying your opinion on one thing.
P's internet does not count since its based of opinions that are forced to be on there since there was no complete evidence.
Yeah you probably one of them
Interesting. Look at the body language of the woman on the left side at 10:31. When she says to the man on the far right, "You are trying to stay neutral...". She is completely convinced of her own conclusions in this case, and she is totally unwilling to accept any other possibility. She has her arms crossed as well as her legs (she was already sitting in this position from the beginning) as she dismisses the perspective of the man on the right. The person in the middle is sitting more or less passively in the while occupying more physical space with her posture. It shows more confidence and calm on her part. I'm not judging the merits of the arguments either way because what we do know conclusively at this point is that Kesha lost the case; right, wrong, or otherwise. But, I find it interesting to see how people subconsciously telegraph what they are feeling. If this was a business deal, the woman on the left would not be moved from her position.
#FREEKESHA
I was sexually molested by my grandfather from ages 11-13 and I told my parents but I never told anyone bc I know the law. I’m not an idiot. If I had wanted something to happen I should have come forward sooner.
2022 and Kesha still fighting.. :(( Poor baby she doesnt deserve this
I'm a villain, but heres the thing:
Sony offered to let her work with another producer
Also she testified on oath that he did not rape her, that he did not sexually abuse her.
Knowing all of this, I can't say that without a doubt in my mind, that Dr. Luke was sexually abusing her. He could have, DO NOT GET ME WRONG; but, given all of the facts, I can't say he did, especially when she testified, under oath, that he did not rape her.
Her story just doesn't add up
Some people just don't give a fuck if they're put under oath . They will still lie , it doesn't matter if he was under oath he'll probably do whatever it takes to protect his label even if that means to lie in court .
+Jacky Raya My apologies, I think I might have communicated wrong, Kesha, in a 2011 court hearing said, under oath, that she was not being sexually harassed by Dr. Luke.
m.smh.com.au/entertainment/music/kesha-testified-under-oath-that-dr-luke-sexual-assault-never-happened-20141023-11acaf.html
Anon Royale have you ever heard of "under pressure" or is that just for people you agree with?
What Demi said applies EXACTLY zoo Beyoncé.
Poor dude he can't say what he wants without feeling like he would offend the women on the show
He's rational they aren't. He knows if h even insinuates that the guys innocent they'll tear him to pieces
kickpush alex offend?? More like he feared for his life lol
I hope this urges women to come forward as soon as possible. Kesha, we stand with you. I am so sorry this happened to you. The music industry has some very evil people in it.
I believe her. I don't think she would risk a scandal and a false accusation haunting her had she not experienced something. Katy Perry is also obviously psychologically scarred from what she's seen and done on her quest for fame. This is NOTHING new!
I wish Brett was here for this conversation :(
Sounds like someone was screaming rape to get out of a contract. How sad.
wow you have a scary creepy profile pic... you know the kind we want to scream Rape for??
Probably. She sounds kind of dodgy
Why did he have to bring up the Catholic Church?????
Javier Alvarez hes stating a fact. A priest molested a girl in my country and just got away with it.
Yeah wtf
Because it's quite common for priests to be pedophiles/sex offenders. Even rapists-I've seen it happen.
Happen to live in Russia?
A bunch of kids were molested by some clergyman at my friend's Lutheran Church. It's very common and yet the media doesn't report it. Kids are raped all of the time in schools and yet no one brings that up. He's ignorant. Anyplace where there are children: schools, churches, YMCA, etc, will attract pedophiles. I'm tired of people acting like all priests are pedophiles. It is not true. Some are pedophiles and some are not. The same applies to schoolteachers, coaches and anyone else that works with kids.
This is how celebrities end up having a mental breakdown or stop producing music. Its people like this and media in general.. Its sickening.
She's only asking to not work with them. She's not trying to get him arrested. I don't understand the hate.
Yeah cause Kesha really needs a 250 thousand dollar donation
The court proceedings were cold because it was a contract dispute. Feelings don't matter.
They absolutely morally matter! Laws are alwaaaays late morally. We don't give a shit about contracts here. They should not matter in a situation like this, not considering feelings here is not being neutral, it's being a fucking sociopath.
I feel so bad for Kesha I love her song her whole album and other I❤️KESHA!!!
The girl in the peach....is a whole mood.
from Toronto Canada, we're with you Kesha! fight the fight!
Who is Dr Luke? I know Dr Phil
+Emily Forfar he's produced most of the hits you've heard on the radio for the past decade: Demi Lovato, Kesha, Kelly Clarkson, Taylor Swift, Katy Perry, Justin Timberlake, Gwen Stefani, Ariana Grande... The list goes on. Most A-list celebs have worked with him/sang songs he wrote
ILove Grande` you should have addressed your comment to me not her. Thats rude.
I'm not saying that she's lying or anything, because on this particular issue I'm on Kesha's side, but I think there has to be some evidence for there to be repercussions for Dr. Luke. There are a lot of cases where the "victim" cries wolf and people are wrongfully imprisoned, so I just think the standard thing should be to have evidence. I do think that they should've let her out of the contract since she was obviously in a lot of distress. She didn't even ask for him to be thrown in jail, so it's not like what she wanted was unreasonable. Honestly, I feel awful for Kesha.
JUST TO BE CLEAR I think she's telling the truth.
She's not
+Mosope Ajegs Not lying or not telling the truth?
My opinion EXACTLY, first person I've seen
You're absolutely right as far as a criminal case, but that's not this. at the very least she should be able to buy her way out of the contract but in a situation like this where criminal charges are not being pursued I don't think there was any harm in giving her the benefit of the doubt and nullifying the contract between them.
4:55
Funn that the woman in the middle is outraged at the concept of innocent until proven guilty.
she is so strong , i would not be able to do this
Yeah she is strong enough to make fake allegation with 0 proofs.
rjd a "0" go off kim petras & trump stan
They just hit the nail when they say: "I see Dr. Luke caring, Kesha caring, even if they're in opposite sides....but for Sony, it's all about the image of the company, contracts and money". That's the sad reality. People still saying Kesha lies don't realize she is actually destroying her career by accusing her producer and that she will be canned and frozen, she will not sing again. She CAN'T sing unless Sony allows her to do so, or breaks her contract so she can look for another record label. By denying to break the contract, they're effectively killing her musically because they won't support a singer that crossed them either. Why would she lie, anyways??? Because she is a masochist that enjoys poverty and going back to working at McDonalds??? In the meantime, Dr. Luke has all the reasons in the world to deny the charges, and Sony, to avoid being seen as a company that supports rapists and abusers, will side with him, just like The Vatican protects pederasts. Only people that have been in the music or film industry know for a fact how powerful producers and directors are, how common sexual favors (willingly given) and abuse (forced by powerful people on artists) are, and how thin the line between those categories (sexual favor vs. being raped) is.
+Kaylasa JaguarStar Why would Sony keep someone who wont make money?
Simbarashe Nyamarebvu Because that way she can't go to another label to make money for others and talk badly about them. But don't be mistaken; the fact Sony has decided to keep Kesha does NOT mean they will make another album for her; they will simply do what labels do with 50% of artists: she will be "canned", not released from her contract but they won't spend money on her either and they won't allow her to work. So Kesha will have to start working outside music to pay the rent, and that's how Sony will effectively kill her career.
Why is he comparing that to catholic church? Tf
#freekesha
kesha's back bitches
I get the feeling Kesha is lying. I have no sympathy for her.
Finally, a group of people who ACTUALLY know what they are speaking about.
First - its a he said/she said scenario. IMO Kesha is a sociopath. If you want proof check out her reality show. Also her mother emailed Dr. Luke saying they'd go public with rape allegations if they didn't dissolve the contract (if that's the case why not go directly for charges against Dr. Luke?).
Also a direct quote from Kesha: "I knew everything about sex before I was even seven. My mom left me at home when I was 14 with a credit card, and a box of condoms and the keys to the car and said, 'Don't get pregnant and don't drink and drive'." (Great parenting). Add to that, in 2011 in a legal deposition she said Dr. Luke did nothing. This story is complicated but bottom line - don't make a deal with the devil (sign contracts) if you don't want to lose your soul. Love is love - business is business.
The whole situation just sounds fishy on both sides but you can't necessarily fault Sony for not having "feelings". Businesses aren't run on feelings. Now if Dr. Luke was charged in a court of law - different story they most likely would drop him (although in this day and age, companies get rid of people after "allegations" without requiring courts, or proof).
Innocent until proven guilty. Due process is important. We'd all want it if we were accused of a crime. This court of public opinion is disgusting.
If its proven in court that Dr. Luke did commit these crimes, then by all means, prosecute him to the full extent of the law. Until then, ruining a person's life on allegations is absolutely deplorable.
moonlitegram how is his life ruined?? He's still doing well and making plenty of $$ I get your point, I really do, but it's VERY hard to prove a rape occurred. All DNA does is prove they had sex, he will say it was consensual, she will say it wasn't. And it's hard to prove years after the fact when any DNA will be forever lost. So I get you saying not to label him a rapist for life, but you have to understand, we (as rape victims) are damned if we DO (speak up) and also damned if we don't (speak up). So she's a liar and bitter if she comes forward, but if she stays quiet people say "why didn't she report it, she must be lying. Until you've been a victim of rape, you can't understand. You think you know what you'd do but when it actually happens you may react a completely different way. Shame, the relationship between the people: one younger, one older, someone in a position of power versus someone at a lower level, etc etc. It can change EVERYTHING. Not trying to argue, I'm just trying to give you my point of view. Take care.
moonlitegram FINALLY SOMEONE WHO HAS A BRAIN
Sad thing is, is that it's hard to prove you've been raped (unless you report it as soon as possible, of course). And sometimes they will try to justify rape by asking questions like "what were you wearing?" And saying "you should have tried to fight it off stronger". Sometimes the system can be really fucked up. The least they should do is allow her to not work with them.
HAHA THIS IS FUCKING HILARIOUS, YALL HAD BEEN SAYING SHIT ABOUT KESHA, OR PEOPLE SUPPORTING HER, AND TURNS OUT YALL WERE FUCKING WRONG
@@okayand1508 Kesha has proof and evidence that he abusive and controlling
WE LOVE KESHA!!!! 😘
The only sensible person in that room is that guy.
Kesha has come so far😭😭keep staying strong,all your new music is on key❤️❤️
#FreeKesha
I don't like Sam's passionate view in this case. She has obviously not done her research on "false rape accusations." Reason why? Because it's literally a dark number statistic. We can't know how many false cases were done because they are false! Every statistican knows that to know something like this, every single women who made a false accusation has to come out and tell the truth of what she did. And there is no way in heck that even a fraction of women are going to do that. There's no way to know that number. That's why we have evidence ladies. Because we don't know who is lying and who isn't.
Demi needs to go back to grammar class. "Than?" I think you mean "Then"
The girl on the left idk your name but you make a good point on just the humanity in it and ego. Sad world we live in for all this
I don't have any idea why this issue/case means so much to me... But it does. This kind of thing goes down all the time but this hits my heart for some reason. I love Kesha and I am also very open to all sides of any story. What did Kesha have to gain by putting herself in this position?? Nothing that I can see other than the freedom to make music without someone she says was abusing her. I like the various points of view in this discussion. Well done.
People are sooo stupid. The thing is, Kesha lost most of her money due to her lawsuit and after her injunction against Dr. Luke was denied, Sony offered her to work with other producers if she publicly apologizes and claims her allegations are a lie. But she refused and accepted that her career would be damaged even further. Would a liar do this? Kesha risked everything she had and yet there are people who think she lied, although Kelly Clarkson, P!nk, Becky G, Charli XCX and others also stated based on their personal experiences what a disgusting person Dr. Luke is. Kelly Clarkson even refused writing credits for a song produced by Dr. Luke once because she hated him so much that she did not want to be associated with him and P!nk said that she feels not sorry for him, that he is not a great human being and what happened to him due to Kesha's case is karma. Charli XCX wrote a whole song about her negative experiences with him called "Sucker".