The Hillsville Massacre of 1912.
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- Опубликовано: 28 сен 2024
- The frontier culture meets civilization in rural Virginia. In 1912, a misplaced kiss set off a string of events that pitted a powerful frontier clan against their political rivals and concepts of modern justice. The events that followed, the Hillsville Massacre or the Courthouse Tragedy, shocked and captivated the nation.
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My greatgrandfather was a Hillsville deputy at this, he rode in the posse that pursued the Allens. This is a great concise telling of the events, thanks!
Like the Mafia hunters of today - He must have been a brave man.
What was so great about him?
Well it was self defense and your great grandfather was a pig and a criminal.
@@20alphabetmuch that you’d never understand
So what I want to know is what happened to the girl that was kissed by Wesley Allen? Did she and Will Thomas eventually marry?
This what happens, when people dont stand up to bullies. They only get bolder until their acts are too outrageous to ignore.
Even worse if our government and society Erace history and forget don’t remember we are destined to repeat it again how retarded is that
As in Donald John Trump
@@kathygoheen4626 as in the BLM and Antifa thugs and the Democrats who support them.
@@bravobravoh1344 obviously you are not paying attention. Using aviation/military call signals as your handle makes you feel tough, sad.
@@kathygoheen4626 Whoa!!! You attack them just because they said something different than you? Something on target? Something they are welcome to say and if they are an American have a blood bought right to say? (As do you, of course in your first post) Who is President Trump out shooting? What businesses is President Trump burning down? What stores is President Trump looting?
This video is about bullies, about people that break laws, so BravoVictorDelta is attacked for pointing out a lawless crew as does this video. And do you know what? Their very handle may be a clue that they served the USA in uniform so you could have the right to attack a President that has nothing to do with this story, divert the conversation from what the 2 posters above you slanderous post were talking about. Yes!! They may well have served to give you that very right!
How do you thank them? Hope you feel tough, sad.
My dad always said that history was stranger than fiction. Great episode!
If you, sir, were my college history professor, I - and I suspect many others - would have fought through any nasty weather (or hangover...) just to hear your insight.
Thank you for your channel.
@Colin Killian and manufacture debt
Same. The only class I never missed was an American Government class because it was entertaining and educational.
Hindsight is wonderful for those who search for excuses for their failings.
"The average man will bristle if you say his father was dishonest, but he will brag a little if he discovers that his great-grandfather was a pirate" - Bernard Williams
@Unkraut60 It might actually be more pathetic that that is the only reason he's in office.
@kev googlestein He wishes. Trump's grampies were just pimps and draft dodgers. It is documented.
Your post is OFF TOPIC. Save ALL the current political bullshit for Facebook.
It does not belong polluting the History Guy's content.
You know this so take that teentard trolling bullshit elsewhere. I don't even like the guy but unlike yourself I know what belongs in what parts of the internet. Defecating that silly trolling garbage into RUclips channels intended for intelligent discussion is RUDE AND WRONG AND YOU KNEW THIS BUT JUST HAD TO DO IT ANYWAY. Grow the fuck up or go post on 4chan.
@kev googlestein better than your bitch ass country
A pirate is a murderer especially during those times. Nothing to brag about. Lots to atone for.
I was so amazed to see this entry. My family has lived in Wythe County (next door to Carroll County) since the earth was cooling. My aunt, who was born in 1904, remembered when this happened and a man came rushing in to tell them that “The Allen’s had shot up the Carroll County courthouse!” I even got to read a contemporary news article about it, but you had more information. Thank you! I love this series.
This is just a general commentary on all the videos of yours that I've watched so far, but you really make me miss the History Channel from back before it became reality TV and alien conspiracies.
I still don’t understand why the History Channel decided to abandon wonderful history programs. Most people would agree that it wasn’t profitable, but I even tried paying for their app for better content. Unfortunately, I was deeply disappointed.
The first disaster struck when the History channel turned into the wW II obsessed Hitlery Channel... then insult joined injury and Hitlery channel became the Hysteria channel..
And I'm scared to imagine, what the fourth incarnation might be like that undoubtedly will some day be upon us... Maybe a Heisty channel? Or a hilarity channel? :-p
@@GMAMEC I seem to remember that it had something to do with a writer's strike some years ago . I don't remember when.
GMAMEC
Have you ever tried CuriosityStream? It’s like the history channel used to be but better. I get it for free with a subscription I have, I’m not sure if it cost money or not but cannot be too much. Check it out.
steve hazard
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I live in Carroll County, VA and the court house and Allen house are still standing and very much monuments to this day. They represent a horrible past but a history no less.
Ever been to the museum at the courthouse?
o2tank 04 perhaps horrible events are represented, but as stated in the video, it’s representative of the changing times. An era and paradigm shift in the publics frontier mentality in that place at that time. Looking back we are often highly sensitive to certain issues because of our political climate, but the people living then were more akin to war hardened soldiers who get in fist fights for the sheer joy of it. I love the history of your area and county as colorful as it is.
Have you seen the bullet holes?
@@sebione3576 I can show you two in the stairs on the right.
You know it’s not easy to find relevant images to place on your timeline. But what I really appreciate about your work versus other story tellers is that you don’t grab a bunch of stock photos from shutterstock that have nothing to do with the story just to fill it out. No dogs playing poker or still frames from Western movies. And your stories are well written and interesting!
I don't know why youtube told me to watch this, but glad I did. Amazing story telling and editing.
I lived in Fries , Virginia for many years and the Allen clan was one the first history lessons I learned about the area when I moved there .
Your videos are my favorite thing on RUclips, Thank You!
you are what I wish the History channel would be. thank you again. best ever.
when the History channel started, all they had was documentaries on WW2, so much that after a few months we jokingly referred to it as "The Hitler Channel". They really struggled for content in the beginning before they began to self produce decent content.
Then they got bought by some massive corporation and they're not worth watching anymore
Follow the money, said a great if anonymous, until recently, historical figure.
The history channel is trash..
What happened to the History channel ?
The "History" Channel is still on the air?
I grew up in the Hillsville area back in the 50's thru a good portion of the 70's. I remember hearing a lot of what was discussed in this video in private conversations among family and friends since the wounds had not healed completely during this time. I left the area in the late 70's and haven't lived there since. So I'm not exactly sure how the people in the area feel about this event today. Thanks for the video!!
Please don't ever stop what your doing here! Superb and wonderful.
Thank you.
My great-great grandfather, Peter Scott was one of the two deputies sent to NC to retrieve the Allen boys. The story has changed hands many times in a 100 years but the account given here is pretty good. Hard to believe that so many guns were allowed into the courthouse.
We should do it today. You know... second amendment. ^^
So very true. People could carry there guns into court a long time before this @@boboutelama5748
Would you want to be on the jury of a gang member?
david perry I’m glad your great great grandpa wasn’t harmed.
2nd amendment
As a fanatic history buff, I love your channel. Your presentation is world class. Thank you for what you do.
My Grandfather got arrested for "Transporting and Abetting" in Carrol County. Everyone carried a .32. I have my Grandfathers and Grandmothers .32.
My mother was born there she's 103 this year 2020.
Awesome, God bless her
You're history is absolutely amazing. I have a degree in history from the university of Ottawa, Canada, 2003.
Your episodes are by far better than any single class I ever took at university.
You are history is absolutely amazing? How about "Your history..."?
I live in hillsville VA! Pretty dope we are getting noticed on RUclips
"The warrant says you can enter; it doesn't say anything about you leaving."
Right or wrong, the man found the loophole.
But.......... a loophole punishable by death !
"It don't say nothin' 'bout you comin' out."
"Uh, Yeah. I don't see no moonshine. Have a good one Mr. Allen."
hahahaha
Badass!
I can just imagine that officer yelling "wagons clear!" Or looking down at the warrant " well, fuck, I guess it sure dont say I'll be coming out... move along."
How about a .38 special to the sternum and placing a shitty revolver in the hood's hand??
I’ll echo the sentiment regarding the “history channel”. What you’re doing is excellent, well done, and well presented. The “history channel” would do well to tell us history. Not ancient aliens or whatever malarkey they conjure up these days.
Nothing good ever happens at a husking bee. Its like a Chuck-E-Cheese in the ghetto.
I don't have enough info on either to offer an opinion, but am very interested in hearing your theory as to why this is, if you would be so very kind as to offer it.
@Bill Wade Yep. I live in a pair of sister-cities. The larger one (mine) is predominantly ghettoville, though the city government is always launching largely unsuccessful projects to make it look more like the other one, which is a preppy college town. The preppy college town is the one with the Chuck-E-Cheese.
People are asking you to explain your statement.
@@stormytooman1947 people have no sense of humor 🙄
I love watching your documentaries nothing like this is on TV. I've heard about this tragedy before. But your channel is the best.
You do a fantastic job with history sir. I watched Soapy and the 1912 massacre. I am now on a mission to watch all of your history pieces. Fantastic channel.
Thank you so much for your videos!!!
Feuding old time sociopaths. I have often wondered if sociopathy was a modern day tendency or when it became noticeable. I can see that in 1912 there were sociopaths roaming!
Your right. Sociopaths, Psychopaths, serial killers, serial rapists, etc can be traced back to the 9th.Century.
However, they used words like madness, maniacal and possession.
Though hard to find, there are manuscripts that speak of these hazards long before the words Psychiatric, etc came into existence.
Katherine Irving you forgot one other word, “Conquerer”.
@@drizler The definition of the word Conquerer is a double-edge sword. It can represent good or bad tendencies and mindset.
Forgot to add... Evil never conquers, it only silences.
@Henryk Gödel There have been a precious few good/honest Politicians over the centuries.
Unfortunately, they are usually forced out of politics or, end up dead from some strange/coincidental murder.
Sadly, the world needs politicians, it just sucks that 90% of them are crooked or become crooked.
Great video as usual, do one on Rick Rescorla, his history definitely needs to be remembered, he's on the cover of the book "We were Soldiers once and young", he died in the South Tower on 9/11.
This episode explains a great deal of the way things were in the county where I grew up. Political offices were handed down from family member to family member.
Excellent research and story telling. Thanks again!
Holy cow! Great vlog as always! What was Al Capones motto, « A smile will sometimes get you what you want. A smile and a gun will always get what you want!» I am not sure it was like this word for word, but damn close anyway. Lol!
Floyd Allen the 20th centurys "Devil Anse"Hatfield.
Perfect length. Please keep up the good work! Informative and entertaining!
I just have to agree with your assessment of the perfect length. Philadelphia USA
What's an amazing selection for today. Thank you.
I find it hilarious(and insane) that Floyd lured in his grieving brother, while on what he thought was his death bed, just to try and shoot him. The man was a complete nut case. Goes to show you, family loyalty should have its limits. Or else one psycho will drag everyone else down.
Clans doesn't always mean KKK.It a old word for many family members living close to onanother ! My Grandfather on the Irish side of my folks were Boot loggers as teens to make money in the Okla Great smoky mountains! Fast trucks and fast cars Double gass tanks fonny Trunk beds filled with the bottles and jars of Okie Moon shine!
It's a Southern thing
Personal grievance and honor offended has priority
@@oldhardmanjohnson6585 I am not shocked how southern men react like petty little girls, how ironic the Allen family even bothered to go to church when they are a monument to amorality
Evidence of in-breeding ???
This applies to the times we are living in.
Loved this story. I think there are still some remnants of that clanishness here in rural NC and rural Va.
Like so many of your historical snippets, this, too, deserves a movie.
I really like your style and presentation..thank you for what you do..I just can't understand why anyone would thumbs down this..baffling!
Harmon's Museum (in nearby Woodlawn, Virginia) has lots of content on this event along with Baldwin Felts Detective Agency.
The sydna allen house opened a museum as well
Anita, the Baldwin Felts Detective Agency was also involved in the Ludlow Massacre here in Colorado.
Also the best private owned local area museum around.
There were a lot of courthouse feuds around the South way back in the day.
Such behavior isn't limited to the South.
I've lived all over the country, & I see this "above the law" behavior EVERYWHERE!!!
Alaska & New Mexico are among the worst. Chicago is notorious for corruption! But it's EVERYWHERE!
@@smc1942 I'm sure that you're right. But, as a native Southerner, I would hear of various stories of old emanating from a courthouse dispute through word of mouth.
@@haledwards4642 ;
I'm not saying it didn't. I grew up in (arguably) the most corrupt county in Texas. The Feds have been there more than once! A Sheriff shot himself, rather than face murder-for-hire charges! I've seen BAD things happen there.
But as work took me across the country, I saw such things everywhere I went. Where I live today is over a thousand miles from where I grew up. And this place is rife with corruption. If you have the right name, you can do anything here. If not, you'll get a ticket for jaywalking.
I know first-hand this kind of corruption is all across the country. Been there. Seen it.
History Guy, man you always got something good. Thank you bro.
And that mustach on my man Floyd is epic
Now this is why the internet was invented. I’m just sorry I only found this channel this evening. Thank for your talents.
This has got to be movie making material! Well done and interesting.......thank you!
Please do a video of the 1857 Mountain Meadow Massacre.
A 100 fine and an hour in jail for shooting somebody! Gosh gee ..the good ol days huh.
My grandaddy killed a man "who wronged him", he got 11/29 for manslaughter. He was a man not to be triffled with....
He was given a private room, the job as dispatcher and could come and go as he pleased. I even spent the night plenty of times and had the run of the jail.
This was in '71 or 72 I was around 5 years old....
I even saw a deputy get shot by a prisoner... But, that's another story.
Marion county Tennessee.
This bit of history would make a great movie
They did a reenactment and play a couple of years ago. They have tried for along time to get something going but it has always sputtered out.
Garomcfbgdd absolutely the gang from tombstone and others
it has been made released in 2011, it is called "Murder at the courthouse"
They were going to make a Hollywood movie of it but it got knocked.
Another fascinating look at lost history. Thank you so much.
i so enjoy your clips of history! it seems to fit you very well! looking forward to seeing more! THANK YOU.
It started out with a kiss
How did it end up like this
(It was only a kiss)
But oh wait, he did miss....
And now we just have this.
This is the price of destiny
@@markdavis7397 Refrain (It was only a kiss)
Sounds like another Hatfields and McCoys bloody feud. 😒
Gary Desarro I’m blood related to the McCoys and married a woman blood related to the Hatfields. So my son is related to both families as I’m sure others are too by now. History is great when you know the stories.
+Bill Morris I am referring to the distant past. I know the Hatfields and the McCoys are friends now. I know the famous jazz trumpet player, Clyde McCoy, was a descendant of the McCoy clan.
I know, I’m just saying how great it is we can put that in the past. It’s a part of us, the past, but we don’t need to live there. 👍🏼🍺
Except the Allens seem to have shot each other at least as often as they shot people they weren’t related to.
Crazy ass hill people. Always wanted an excuse to fight.
I somehow missed this episode. Well told, fascinated story. Proves not much has changed.
I don't mind a ad or two but THG new episodes have them in the middle.
So glad I came across this. Thoroughly enjoyable, well presented. Glad to join the group. Thanks for your excellent work.
I think the days of being allowed to bring a gun to court are long gone.
I think it was frowned upon even back then!
WOW! Talk about being willing to die for what you believe in. Those dudes were TOUGH. And thanks very much for all the wonderful research and fine presentation that put it all in a more complete perspective than I have ever heard. Subscribed.
This story could be an award winning movie, no doubt.
Interesting story. Falmouth Massachusetts has a modern take on that story with Melvin Reine and how he terrorized the town for years and never paid for any of his crimes! The story became national when he tried to kill a police officer who was going to testify against him. The officer survived even though his jaw was nearly shot off by a shotgun, but he and his family had to go into hiding for years! Everyone in the town was pretty much terrified of him and his family.
OK. Philadelphia USA
My Mother’s side of the family was the Allens in your video They migrated from Scotland
Must have had red hair shows a Hot Temper others who have have other nationality’s in not very angry mild
You'll see a bunch of crap about how Allen in a Celtic surname. Then why is it most prevalent in east Anglia where there is nothing but Germanic and Norman names? All these dumb webpages and wikipedia will tell you that Alan mean either "fair" or "handsome warrior" or "little rock" in Gaelic or Welsh. Well, which is it? That's a lot of vague disparity. So the answer is: Neither. It is an evolution of the word "Aryan". Just like how "Iran" comes from that same Sanskrit word for those original people. The fact is that the Allens are originally descended from the Scythian Alan tribe that invaded Rome with the Visigoths and Vandals Germanic tribes. After they entered Europe with their distant Germanic cousins and helped found the Visigothic/Alanic kingdoms of Spain and North Africa, later their descendants settled in Brittany and participated in the Norman invasion of England. Awarded land throughout England and Scotland they settled and intermixed with the locals. So Irish, English and Scottish Allan, Allen, Alan, MacAlan - French Alaine, Spanish/Basque Allende - Welsh Allyn - Porteguese Allenos ... they are all related. They are not Celtic, and that's why their name doesn't make sense in any Celtic language. They are descended Scythians (from a tribe that had probably already heavily mixed with Germans) that thought it would be great fun to crush Europe with the Germans. The descendants of the Alans that remained in their homeland are today known as Ossetians, whoabout a decade ago fought a war in the nation of Georgia for their independence and have become a Russian puppet intimidation state for their trouble.
My dad has said we are also related? Floyd looks A LOT like my dad.
There's no way of knowing that and very unlikely as both his parents can be traced back to the early English Virginian settlements.
@Randy HUTCHINSON Yes, i can't find anything past the Virginian settlements, it's a relatively common name which makes it harder, there's a lot of Allen's set in pockets around England, though lowland Scots are Anglo Saxon there's not that many Allen's, a thing of note is the spelling mainly used in Scotland is Allan, with an 'A' instead of an 'E'
I love your stories. You tell them very well
Man you sure got some good stories to tell all the time!!
Another great story.
"I ain't going!"
Keep it up i enjoy your little snippets
Outstanding video friend. Thanks a lot. SC Navy vet.
"They're gonna kill me shooting at you!" Lol
Would have made a great dateline episode with Keith Morrison
I am related to the Allens distantly. My first name is Allen, and is a family name from my Dad and Grandfather, and he was named after the Allens in 1910. I've heard this story all my life because of it.
Excellently done! Fascinating story!
I’m glad he mentioned at the end about the titanic sinking and it taking the interest off these sick bastards
Sick? No. Evil? Yes.
You are a wonderful teacher. Excellent diction, cadence and tonal change where appropriate. I hope The Great Courses company hires you to do similar nearly-forgotten pieces of history. I'd buy it right off. Heck you could do your own. Thanks for keeping me rivited to the screen. Few do.
Well that was awesome very very well done thanks for sharing!
Hey History Guy, I enjoy listening to your content. Could you eventually cover the Tom Dooley murder?
Judge Thornton Lemmon Massie was my great-grandfather. I have a large scrapbook of original newspaper clippings, pictures and telegraphs about the incident. One newspaper article states that Judge Massie was heard to say "I'm dying. But I did my duty". He was called a "Pythian hero."
Great job-please keep up the brilliant work! Thanks.
Did the Allens threaten you into taking down the first video?
LOL no- I had to fix an error. So far no Allen at my door.
hahahahahahaha
Yet.
Sounds like the Allen's don't threaten, they just pull back the hammer and start shoitin'.
knock knock...lol.
Thanks for the vid ... Great story (that needs to be remembered!) and I will! (Not from America, but interesting bit of history anyway!)
This was the most amazing narration of a historical event I have come across. Thanks.
You would be the best Saturday morning TV show for kids. I would look forward to Saturday mornings, again, not since the 1970's. CBS In The News must have been one of your favourites.
Love!!..
my new favorite thing!!
My dad and aunt grew up in Hillsville, and I didn’t live very far from there when I was young.
Thank U for telling this little unknown and forgotten story in the history of the early 20th century.
Bet those Allen clan boys had special pants to fit those big ol balls they got!!
Jeez.
You have a paper to search my wagon but you don’t have nothing that says you will get out!! I almost died!!
Great vid!!
I liked the part when he said, "Well, I ain't goin'!" That's what i'm a-sayin next time.
They didn't have big balls, just big guns.
I'm part of the Allen clan floyd Allen is my great great great grandfather
They also needed specially small hats to fit the empty heads.
Man, those Allens remind me of my wife's family. 😉
Hahahaha
We may be Kin
Run !!!
Lmao!
@@PogueMahone1I come from one of those crazy violence-as-sport Louisiana bayou families; dem' ****** are bonafied nut cases that's why I'm an orphan.
Great as always. One nitpick, “rugged individualism” is NOT a synonym for lawlessness.
Thanks for bringing back my passion and love for history. Your what the history channel use to be. You have a new subscriber.
That was an epic stand by the Allen clan. Legendary!
What an incredible point in history, when such events were still possible. He kept his word to the sentencing judge, to be sure.....
Your videos are most excellent! You have an interesting and captivating style of presentation. I always look forward to your presentations!!
As usual , a very entertaining and informative episode in history. It sounds like one of many recent shoot outs in the minority clans/gangs/families in the area we live . History repeating itself or am I just way off ? Thanks again , spot on .
Life was raw and often brutal in those days. Geez. Amazing story.
Excellent presentation, thank you 🙏
Love ❤️ the rich history you share so fact fully.
Crazy that the small town I live in has so much history.
Great channel, great video,learn something new every time I watch.
In the Texas Hill Country, there were folks like the Carroll County clans. They were called "Cedar Choppers". Quite a rowdy bunch. Thanks for the story of Hillsville.
This video helped me realize that we have powerful families like the Allen's in every county in the country.
Mr. Smith goes to Washington, too.
@@m_pavia9456 what are you saying? It could be worse so forget about it? Why don't you stay on topic and discuss the problems IN the us instead of distracting? Who cares about the problems of people who lived 30 years ago 10000miles away? Why the whataboutery? Did your feelings get hurt?
Well my family isn't that powerful any more we branched of to become docters, healers, construction workers, automotive repairman, and even business men
@@m_pavia9456 Ultra Capitalists like Trump and the Koch Brothers are just as evil as any Communists.
There are still a lot of white settlers' descendents have attitude like the Allens. Most people don't know, Germans consist of the largest immigrant group of United States.
Husking corn!! Man people must've been bored in those days.!!
Husking corn was a necessity
They were just trying to make it quick and have some fun at the same time.
This twisted saga reminds me a lot of Henry Plummer and his gang of the old west. One man, who was a prospector, city marshal, sheriff, outlaw, road agent, gang leader. Some of these tales are positively amazing.
It's gr8 to hear historical crimes that are not all famous outlaws or well known stories
Now THAT'S an AMERICAN story!?! ;>)
Im proud to be a descendant of the edwards family. My granny always told me this story, she heard it from her father. I love this family history.
TOTALLY AWESOME !!! Philadelphia USA