FATHER OF WHAT?! | Father (Sabaton) REACTION!
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This song is about Fritz Haber, a Prussian (German) scientist who's legacy is very controversial. Haber (along with another scientist named Carl Bosch) found a way to solve one of the major issues plaguing humanity and science up until that point in time, that is how to sustain the worlds ever expanding human populations (as the Earth does not have enough nutrients present naturally in the soil for us to produce that much food). His work into this topic led him to create the process by which ammonia is synthesized, a key ingredient in fertilizers (it is estimated in some studies that our current global population levels could potentially be between 4-5 billion people lower if not for this). He was however a patriotic German, and when the first world war broke out, he actively used his skill set to research and create chemical weapons for the war effort (with Germany being the first to use such weapons, such as chlorine gas). He personally directed these efforts during the war and showed no remorse for creating such terrible weapons after the wars end. Furthermore, the pesticide Zyklon-A (which he created) was slightly modified after his death in 1934 by the Nazi's (whom had come to power in Germany at that point in time) who co-opted his work, and turned into Zyklon-B (the agent used to kill millions of Jews in the gas chambers during the Holocaust), thus one could argue making Fritz partially responsible in a way for this (even if he himself was Jewish and was not in Germany at the time). He therefore saved billions and also led to the deaths and injury of thousands, if not millions of others. His story truly exemplifies the truly duel nature of most people in history, being both a sinner and a saint. A tragic tale in the most literal sense of the word.
he died in 1933 at the very start of Hitlers rise. And some of his own family died in the concentration camps.
Wow!!!! That’s great history!! ThankYou!!!
The Germans had a huge stockpile of Sarin gas (cheaper and far deadlier), why didn't they use it in the camps instead of a gas made for delouising? They could have skiped the camps and chambers entirely and simply had 6M people brought in a field, dropped Sarin from a few planes and the whole thing would be ower in 20 minutes. Seems rather inefficient.
Minor correction, the Germans were not the first to use chemical weapons in WW1, the French were actually the first, although they used tear gas and not toxic gasses such as mustard gas.
@@Otto_Von_Itter9000 That is indeed true and I completely forgot about that (thanks for the correction)!
The song is about Fritz Harber who was with the German empire and the father of mustard gas but also help the crops grow faster with synthesize ammonia and won the Nobel prize after the war
I would just clarify that Fritz Haber did not invent mustard gas (the first synthesis of that gas is attributed to Frederick Guthrie in 1860, with some records suggesting it may even have been synthesized as early as 1822).
@@noahloiselle412 chlorine gas on the other hand
The is about Fritz Haber who wasn’t only the father of chemical warfare but also the father of synthesize ammonia which is a chemical based fertilizer which allowed crops to be grown faster and more effectively which allowed the world’s population to grow twice as fast and saved billions from starvation which led him to win the nobel prize.
As the song ask is he a sinner or a sin?
If you don't know that much history and you want to know more you can check the Sabaton history channel, they go deeper and explain the songs they sing about, after knowing about it, the songs hit a lot different
Thanks
Robert Oppenheimer created the atomic bomb, this song is about Fritz Haber the first person to successfully synthesize ammonia.
Late to this discussion, but I'm so glad that you picked up on the scariest lyrics I've heard: "Where will this lead? What's coming next From your inventions?
We wonder where Where does it end?
Who can foresee See what will be"
These lyrics can apply to any terrible invention (or any terrible idea, such as going to war for pride, as happened in WW1. It was Queen Victoria's grandchildren, married with the monarchs of a variety of countries, who were spatting about whose country was best. So, the monarchs and generals could sit in palaces sipping champagne, while countrymen went to die for their country, in fact, for "the pride of kings" as termed by Thomas Paine. Thanks again for your thoughtful, very smart reactions:)
I think for the "modern warfare" theme, they mean the birth of the things that would still be present today. Chemical weapons were created and used for the first time to devastating effect in WW1 with hundreds of thousands dead and well over a million with life long wounds to their eyes and lungs. Songs that are included with this EP are ones that also are about the first use of something that is still used to this day. Son mentioned airplanes and the Red Baron is also on this EP as it too changed warfare. So he is right on that. We still use planes to this day. They also have songs about the invention of the first tanks, fast flexible troop tactics meant to overwhelm and surprise the enemy that would eventually be combined with armored warfare to become blitzkrieg and "shock and awe", and the use of giant, metal battleships in a massive scale. (It's not the first use of steel ships in war. The very first was actually experimental and part of the American Civil War.) Those things along with poison gas gave birth to much of what is a part of modern warfare. Chemical warfare is considered a weapon of mass destruction and with good reason. It destroys and maims indiscriminately in a way that is considered especially heinous. Poison gas, if used in combat, is considered a MAJOR war crime. If used against civilains it is a SERIOUS crime against humanity.They go in the same bin as biological and atomic weaponry. And the haunting cruelty of chemical weapons is one we don't have to imagine unlike something like complete nuclear fallout. Haber was long dead by the time of WW2, but his work was built upon by others and while chemical weapons were rarely if ever used on the battlefield at that time, we have the grisly reminder of how it was used against a civilian population in an attempt to accomplish genocide. Of course, this is the Holocaust and chemical warfare on an industrial scale is what did the most effective job at murdering millions.
If we are talking about what ended WW1 in terms of legally that would be the various treaties signed with the Central Powers and nations allied with them (the Paris Peace Conference opened in January 1919, and eventually led to the signing of the Treaty of Versailles with Germany on June 28th 1919, the Treaty of Saint-Germain with Austria September 10th 1919, the Treaty of Neuilly-sur-Seine with Bulgaria November 27th 1919, the Treaty of Trianon with Hungary June the 4th 1920 and the Treaty of Sevres with the Ottoman Empire August the 10th 1920). If we are talking more broadly, while it is to long to explain/cover it all here, the gist would be that the Central Powers simply did not have the resources to continue fighting such a prolonged war of attrition. Couple this with the setbacks on the battlefield, and that gives you somewhat of an answer. There was an influenza pandemic (the last one we had before covid-19) that started in 1918, and while this did certainly affect all fighting nations armies at the time, I think its effect on ending the war per say is negligible (although I could certainly be wrong in this).
I wasn't even sure where to start with with these two, thank you for going here.
It's like watching ,the video here they ask ,who fought in the civil war, and they say Germany, yes gives me a head ache tooo. The water, or gmo food. Or college indoctrination.
Anyway ,At leaste they found Norwegian metel, and got away from anthrax. So good??!!.
This band puts a history lesson in a song, with good guitar and vocals.found them 3 yrs ago, still listening and offends neighbors less.than ironmaiden., Wake up music.
He Was xmilitary marines , they planted a tree in front of the escape door at gas chamber, cs gas.. military humor for real, so at leaste he enlisted.
The shear casualties of, , the 5,000 french from the first use of clorine gas. Almond shells as filters. Attack of the dead men (Russian) Adof's exposure to clorine gas, explains Berlin with the russans.
His friend seems along for the ride. From my bar experience.
Anyway,,,,,,, xmilitary myself, took NBC training, that mopp gear sucks at 70 degrees,
so thank you for trying.
To throw some pearls of wisdom at the swine ( biblical). May need some super glue , with the youth of today.
Ironic, he made toxic gas, furtilizer, they cut that from natural gas. ( In case you're climate protester) chemical gas shells use a , 2 part, chemical reaction, to generate results . Chemists, phisisit, industrialist.
Maxim made machine guns and dynomite. Salt peter, ( potassium nitrate )amoniom nitrate, nitrogen makes explosives work ( rdx) ., Inert gas, 😂😂 Cordite (UK)
There was a show 321 contact, (1980ish) showed, how bleaching cloth, led to analisis of light with a prisom , everything is. Connected, good and bad.
It seems to be the age of can we start an argument, or, it is what it is.
.anyway listen to the song, ( camafloge ) yes ironic.they cover a lot of history, and get you going for the day.
As they say in ( GIJOE) knowing is half the battle, am history buff too.
This is the 3rd post on this song, education through music. Scary, yet positive.
Guys, go and see the Sabaton History Channel for this episode. Most enlightning.
No, he was not saint for his side. He was saint in general, for creating the way to produce the fertilisers that allow somethink like 4bilions of people (more than half of world population) not die of starwation. "Fed the world by ways of sciencen", "and on the fields the crops are grown" - you even notice those lines?
Try explaining that to the soldier ina trench coughing out his lungs from toxic chemicals
@@cheems3158 while his family back Home eats crops grown with the haber-bosh method
That is the thing , sinner or a Saint?
@Cheems That was the point of the song.
A soldier is coughing his lungs out. Meanwhile, that same soldier's family is not starving to death.
Halber was a contradictory man.
The sinner or saint bit is because he created the haber process which increased crop production and saved lots of the world from famine but he also created toxic gases which caused soldiers to die an agonizing death so he was a saint because one of his inventions saved millions of people from starvation but a sinner because his other invention caused people to die in a horrific way
There were gasmasks back in WW1... They weren't entirely effective or good though, and Haber had suggested mixing multiple gasses to bypass the masks
Coming from my 10 years of history studies:
(Hon. colonel) Haber was deserving of his Nobel Price he earned and not an entirely amoral person as some, or many today, assert.
He was a man of the early 20th century in many ways. A completely integrated former Ashkenazi Jew, a glorious chemist who's invention makes feeding the world *actually possible* , the inventor of chlorine gas and Buntschießen ("Colourful Shelling" - that is using mixed chemical agents in order to break the protection of troops and thus the line, the Germans coding the various combat agents in colours), a convinced member of the scientific society, a staunch German patriot, a Prussian drillmaster in his field.
I feel that we don't have the luxury of condemning a person like Haber for his choices, and they follow clear lines - though not exactly popular ones in modernity - but this is because we have not fought World Wars for just under a hundred years and "our" believe in "our" (as a species) inherent greater maturity is currently (autumn of `22) being shelled straight to hell in Ukraine and it's (hopefully remaining so, we might also see something very much like the first and second Balkan Wars in '12 and '13, if we are especially unlucky we are living in an extended July Crisis) "Proxy World War" between NATO, EU and Russia fought on the fields of Ukraine.
We just can't truly understand the decisions and preferences of historical characters. Always keep in mind that *"the past is a foreign country"* and it would be presumptuous to claim to fully understand or condemn the ideals and motivations of even only a hundred years ago.
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Raoul G. Kunz
I love how they made the art look like the re-animator
no matter what poeple says ... you are learning now ... and thats whats really matter ! ;)
Thanks 😊
Love this song
The basic problem was that plants need nitrogen to properly grow but it replenished relatively slow. To solve that problem they needed a compound which had nitrogen in it. Seems easy, but there are 3 problems.
1. The nitrogen needs to be in a form usable by the plants
2. Nitrogen hates being anything else than N2
3. Nitrogen bonds are often unstable.
Atoms want to be in a as low energy state as posible and in an as stable form as posible and N2 happens to be one of the most stable. That is one of the reasons why nitrogen chemistry is mostly unstable. The second is that to keep them apart needs a lot of energy input.
Amonia Nitrate was able to mostly work around those problem. But only mostly because under the right circumstances Amonia Nitrate could explode. Releasing all that energy needed to keep the nitrogen apart. Beirut being a stark reminder of that fact.
A slightly altered version also solved the germans explosive shortage.
Nuclear fission was found by Otto Hahn (german chemist) in 1938, so that was much later. He had nothing to do with the bomb though. Heisenberg & co. did research during WWII in the area of nulear fission but mostly for use as energy. Their last "lab" was in southern Germany in Haigerloch, which was basically a beer cellar beneath a cloister and the entrance was hard to see from the air, because it was located in a slim valley right beneath a cliff. The Americans didn't find it when the war ended, but the French did some days later. All the Uranium cubes from the small reactor (too small for a chain reaction) were missing though (if I recall correctly over 600 in total). They found nearly all of them somewhere on a nearby potato field.
This cellar is a small museum today.
Other comments already described the issue, but I´d like to add that its not easy to find a person in history whose life had a bigger impact on today´s world than that of Fritz Haber. Both the good and the bad he did had enormous effect on us all, which we may see every day of our lives. You cannot really compare him to most other great men that Sabaton sang about. He was not like the Red Baron, who´s life and legacy had a measurable effect only for maybe a few thousand people. He literally affected millions by his poisonous gasses and billions by his peacetime inventions.
Anthrax is a biological weapon not a chemical
Mustard gas, Phosgene (chlorine) were used in WW1. Then later in history VX, Serin, etc were created.
fritx haber did invent chemical weaponry but he also developed the haber-bosch process as mentioned which is an important method even today to produce fertilizer which many rely on to not starve to death
he made thousands lives suffer but saves billions
You should look up on the sabaton history channel / with love from sweden
There is a reason, after WW1, all countries kinda agreed on not using chemical warfare (they all still stockpiled it, in case enemy uses).. but it was later agreed to be illegal on war.. because WW1 was absolute hell for those that served.. Id rather be on the frontlines of any war than WW1
In my opinion, ground zero for everything good and bad started when a human first tasted burned flesh. At that moment we got a taste for our salvation and doom. Cooked food changed our metabolism and made us smarter as the flames kept us warm and predators at bay. After that point we became the dominant species on earth and molded it to suit us alone.
This song sounds so haunting like death himself is playing a instrument or something
Interesting observation. Yes, after watching a lot of these videos, and learning about WW1, the Somme, Verdun, etc., I started to get the feeling that even death himself feels like the slaughter is too much, too soon, that in normal events, he would be ferrying people to Hades at a much slower rate, and couldn't keep up with the fast-passed death on the battlefields. Even the earth can't absorb that many people dying in such a short span.
@@merryrose6788 the world wars were the few times that I could honestly say hell had a tiny piece sliced off and they both got sent to earth and we payed the price but if I remember correctly my original point was that in the begining the piano? I wanna say it's piano sounded somber and sad but also quite threatening like death was the one playing it and surrounding him was the gasses and the plants that have been grown
@@theenderdestruction2362 I listened to the song and video again, and it's even more sombre/chilling adding in your impression of the intro being threatening, as if death was playing, and the paradox of being surrounded by gas, and the plants thriving from the fertilizer (I know that the real battlefield had destroyed the crops, but the metaphor is apt). This image you gave made me think of the Ingmar Bergman Swedish film The Seventh Seal, where the Knight is playing chess with Death.
@@merryrose6788 I actually know those scenes, thanks for the name of the movie, and yeah in the beginning it does sound sad but when the guitars pick up I can't help but imagine the other four horse playing and at the point where the begining of the chorus it sound like their four are arguing over what he did before war goes back to singing, it's both creepy and sad when you think about it, and near the end I imagine it's demons asking him what he'll do next but then God is the only one now singing it a, it's basically a way of showing that yes he was a man who made a horrible thing a very horrible thing but he also made a very very good thing, and as he stated all scientist belong to The world but when war comes they belong to their place of birth, showing that if there wasn't a world war he might have not needed to invent chemical warfare but he did and so is he a sinner or a saint cause he saved many life's but also killed has killed countless people with his creations it's a strange dillima no?
@@theenderdestruction2362 Absolutely!
the guy maybe led to hundreds of thousands of deaths....but also millions of lives...the contradiction
Love this song 🤘🏼😎
It’s ok not to know about this topic. I would recomend watching the sabaton history chanel to get all the info, instead of getting some of it from coments here 😉
Great reaction 💪🏼😊
The Atomic bomb is a Atomic/Radiological Warfare Weapon, Not a Chemical Warfare..
And Chemical warfare is about Stuff of Toxic Gas, Mustard Gas and etc.
I love you guys. Don't worry about being wrong sometimes.
You said you served, so you probably know some of this already, but I'll break down some of the weapon stuff:
You can divide weapons of mass destruction into, arguably, as many as 5 categories. It used to be NBC (Nuclear, Biological, Chemical) but now the term CBRN-E (Chemical, Biological, Radiological, Nuclear, High Yield Explosive) is current.
Chemical weapons include toxic gas (mustard gas, chlorine gas, tear gas) and nerve toxins like sarin and VX. Poisoning, such as poisoning a water supply, is also technically chemical warfare. The idea of using toxic gas was popularized in WWI (1914 to apparently 1918--I thought it was 1919 but everything I see on the internet says 1918.)
Biological weapons are germs, viruses, and other diseases. This was actually common during the Middle Ages when people would catapult diseased bodies of animals or people at the enemy, hoping they would catch diseases.
Nuclear weaponry is anything that splits the atom to release massive amounts of energy, causing huge explosions. This technology did not exist until WWII (specifically 1945, going from memory) when both Hitler and the US tried to develop these weapons. Nazi Germany failed, but the US of course succeeded and deployed two of these weapons in Hiroshima and Nagasaki.
A radiological weapon, what some would call a "dirty bomb," is a device that scatters radiation. The explosion isn't the point in this case; the point is to make an area unsafe with radiation, which can remain deadly for hundreds of years.
Most weapons of mass destruction are controlled by international law. In many cases, their use constitutes a war crime. Biological weapons, for example, are indiscriminate. Once deployed, there is basically no way to prevent them from killing soldiers and civilians alike, regardless of who they are or what side they're on. Same story with nukes because they're going to hit everything in the general vicinity. You can't choose what they do or don't destroy.
Most of these weapons aren't used much anymore. I don't think nukes have been used in wartime after the end of WWII. Nerve agents get used sometimes on a small scale, usually in terrorist attacks. There have been reports of gas being used by the Syrian government against rebels but I don't know all the details.
Thanks so much for your time and support
haber bosch is the guy he made it that crops grow so much better but he also made toxic gas so is he a sinner or a saint
Qoute from From Forrest gump: Stupid is that stupid does. And you guys are not stupid, just American. Naaaa, just kidding, love how you guys discuss this.
Others very cool story songs(and the most famous) of Sabaton (When there are no official clip, I take very accurate fanmade) ===>
- "Fields of Verdun" (official clip): The biggest battle of World War 1, the Germans VS the French: ruclips.net/video/xP8G-LwWNn0/видео.html
- "The attack of the dead Mens (fanmade accurate clip): 1915 WW1, russian has been gassed by German... they "revived" and destroyed the German forces => ruclips.net/video/ZL4stoX1gJw/видео.html
- "Night Witches" (official clip) : The only all-female bomber regiment..... the most decorated of the war thanks to their unstoppable tactics => ruclips.net/video/rM9PuJxppdI/видео.html
- "Defence Of Moscow" (official clip): Operation barbarossa.... (the invasion of russia) 1 million soldiers vs 1 million soldiers => ruclips.net/video/9TjXanLjpTU/видео.html
- "Lady Of The Dark" (fanmade accurate clip): THE MOST DECORATED MILITARY WOMAN IN HISTORY => ruclips.net/video/Wz56zr9qVMo/видео.html
- "Dreadnought" (official song'clip): The first modern Battleships => ruclips.net/video/RJK0jhymE5A/видео.html
- "Shiroyama" (fanmade accurate clip) : 1877, the last battle of the Samuraï, swords vs guns => ruclips.net/video/XVsTDLv69so/видео.html
- "SPARTA" (fanmade accurate clip): 300 spartans vs hundreds of thousands Persians => ruclips.net/video/wYqvtNjdLHU/видео.html
- "Rise of Evil"(fanmade accurate clip): Adolf Hitler's legal rise to power => ruclips.net/video/-q120sJeisY/видео.html
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It gives you horror vibes.
very correct it is WWI
There is a Sabaton History channel. After hearing a song you can learn about background of the song and learn world history
Watch the RUclips channel sabaton history