Why Does HK Hate Us?
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There is an ongoing narrative that HK hates civilians. It's become an almost comical internet narrative although there are plenty of people who believe it. So today we discuss the reality of this perception and why it is misguided. 
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Truth is they care more about their government contracts then the civilian market. Also their own CEO has made statements against civilian ownership.
Interesting. I have never really been an HK fan. No reason really, just never got into them. Can you provide links for the CEO remarks?
I feel like You have to be more sympathetic here. They care more about those contracts for a few reasons. First and foremost, those end users in those contracts are literally the primary driver of consumer demand. Why do people want the 416? Because cooler guys than us yeeted bin laden with it. Why do people want an mp7? Same groups of cool guys use it. Like it or not but there is a huge segment of the 2a population that emotionally justifies their purchases by looking at what the cool guys use. Why would they kill the proven method they have to drive demand? Secondly, anybody who had ever owned a business knows that contracts are far easier to manage at scale from a projection and production standpoint. No matter who you are, it’s really, really difficult science to measure probable consumer demand. Just my 2c.
Agreed this all sounds like excuses. What about the g36? And it took forever for a sp5 and it’s overpriced. Hk definitely cares more about the governments.
Well so does kac. Kac still sells most of their catalog to civilians. Really only thing I think we can’t get is the lamg
@@justinwatt9402 you make a good point but it’s possible for a company bring as much money in as hk to expand and make a civilian divisions or just expand in general and create a legal team to work on what they can and cannot import. I don’t see why they couldn’t bring the g36 and if they made a mp7 in 9mm or 5.7 they could say it’s not for the military it’s a clone for civilians. They would have to figure it out these are just examples but I think it’s true that they don’t really care about us. They understandably yet sadly focus on the military, which is why we feel and say they don’t care about us. It’s like a parent that works too much of course they care about you but not really you might not feel that way 😂.
That still doesn’t explain why a country like Canada gets the updated version of the civilian HK MR556 / HK MR223 A3 or A5 “tannadized” and we can’t in the USA.
Both are semi-auto variations of the same rifle. I want a legit explanation as to why is this the case
right he just shifts the blame. good product over priced and hard to get...
You can thank the European Union for that, there individually trading agreements with countries outside the EU dictate these laws. The EU has a free trade agreement with Canada, the USA doesn’t…
Which very sadly in my opinion makes it way harder and way more expensive for any German or United States Company and or civilians to trade with one another!
With best regards and nothing but love
from Germany 🇩🇪🔱🇺🇸 🤙🏼
US and CANADA laws are different lolllllllllll, each country is different, my friend. Call it stupidity, i get it haha
It’s because Canada does not have an import ban on assault weapons like the US has had since 1989
@@ysince95 your country makes good beer and firearms:) and I agree with your statement , maybe in the future if the EU , Germany and our county the United States , changes policy there could be more trading between our countries in that regard ?
H&K VP-7 Varmit Pistol 7, solved your problem and didn’t even charge you
I understand that H&K is dealing with American import and German export laws, but can't they do what a lot of others have done and open an American factory to assemble parts and make 922r compliance parts? It seems to me like they would do amazingly if they started an H&K USA division and get rid of the hurdles they have to jump. I'm not saying doing that is easy, but they know they'd make bank and it might even save cost not having to ship every single thing. Maybe spread those savings to their customers?
They have. The reason their hand gun prices went down was directly from them opening up the “factory”in Georgia. The biggest reason they don’t start large 922r style rifle/pistol production in the us. Is for a magnitude of reason. Predominately is their tied into new 416a5 production/lawsuit for the German army. The second reason is the price point of their products. the American consumers won’t buy enough to justify setting up tooling.
I am 99.9 percent sure they have a factory in Georgia. Savannah maybe?
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If they made more the cost per unit would drop. Don’t make excuses for HK, they know what Economies of Scale are.
Truth!!
@@Clockwork0nions tell that to holosun and trijicon. They increase prices consistently on new products that are successful and sell the most. Ie creating a supply and demand. 😂
James is awesome. He let me text him pictures of a n/used USP40 I was examining for purchase in real time and gave it a clean bill of health for me, even though he didn't stand to make any money at all in the matter. Great dude.
So let's back up. He's not clashing on "HK hates or disregards me", he's just explaining WHY they DO disregard you.
We don't have an army of customer service people in cubicles as far as the eye can see, this translates to:
"yes we know that our customer service is bad and that we only have 2 repair dudes in the US, but that's because your civilian market isn't important enough to us to do anything differently."
HK in fact DOES disregard not only private buyers but smaller government buyers because of its hand-in-glove relationship with the German government. It does not move any production to the US, regardless of how cost effective it would be over the long-term, because that's not its strategy or outlook for the future.
HK overbuilds products for large, bloated some might say, government contracts. They can gold-plate products with respect to specifications and they charge accordingly, finding a clever way to increase margin.
They sometimes get caught with this, the Mk 23 is a good example, having the intended client realize the poor design compliance with client intended use.
Similarly, customer service for government clients is great. This is because when you look at customers as a function of what % of annual sales or projected sales, governments are THE big concern for HK. The private side is very literally secondary. This is just their business plan, not some baseless criticism.
HK is a classic government firearms manufacturer. They don't read the private market, they read likely government demand. They know the company isn't agile enough to compete with other companies unburdened with the German restrictions, people may be reminded of HK's many financial difficulties over the last 2 decades.
If HK were a private company with some sort of future vision, they would have relocated. They do not. They are an effete, blue-blooded European company who will be escorted into the future in a baby carriage by the German government and guaranteed a seat at the table as long as they still belong to the German government.
If they ever want to get better, become more efficient, make more innovative products, expand their production capacity, they will have to leave the nest, at least in terms of part of their production and design.
Beretta has figured it out, CZ has figured it out, Glock has figured it out, FN has figured it out, Sig has figured it out, Steyr has figured it out.
HK really is that far behind the times.
"We found a way around it with the mp5 and called it the sp5. We have no idea how to do that with the mp7..."
Huh? Lol.
Hahaha
In Germany even an Semiauto SP7 would be a weapon of war, because of the cartridge in use. As such it would need approval of the german government in order to export it. The government would never allow an export of "weapons of war" for the civilian market.
@@antiluckermd1956 there are mp5's still in military use. The 9mm is a current NATO cartridge. As far as I'm aware, and i could be mistaken, the 4.6x30 isn't a NATO round nor is it widely used in military applications. Certainly not to the extent the 9mm is, nor the 5.56. But we get a mr556 and a sp5 from them.
If someone could explain it to me in detail as to why the 4.6x30 and mp7 are different then I'm open to being wrong here. As of right now it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
There are no sporting leagues using 4.6, but there are a lot for 9mm, even some for .338 Lapua, therefor these have "sporting purpose". There isnt a Single competition using 4.6 in Germany
@@antiluckermd1956 so is it because of the 4.6 is a "weapon of war" or because Germany won't allow the 4.6 to be used in sporting? And I'm positive it would be used in sporting if people had the opportunity.
Why wouldn't hk start producing in the USA? It makes the most sense
I was looking left and right for a USP 9 a few months ago. Walked into a local shop that is a Dealer and they had a USP 9 tac. Picked it right there. Although I wanted a regular usp 9. I love my tac. Now I need to get a can for it. It's also my first HK. and it's not gonna be last.
I received my HK VP9 and the case was cracked. I contacted HK and they took very good care of me. They sent me a new case without question. Small issue yes, but still very professional and quick.
I dumped all of my HK pistols for Glocks because I shoot my guns a lot. Guns break. Getting factory HK parts was a pain in the ass. I was competing with a USP and it was easier for me just to buy a new USP to cannibalize for parts than to get parts sent to me. By contrast, all 3 of my local gun stores stocked factory glock parts. HK doesn't hate you, they just don't know wtf they are doing.
What parts broke?
Great comment.
Hahaha
@@SwornHeresy I had a vp9 that ate trigger pins like crazy. Seriously went thru 3 of them in 6 months then sold it.
That's one of the best explanations I've heard. I dumped a few H&K pistols as well for the same reasons and went with the Glock platform for the same reasons.
I'll admit the fitting and feel of my H&Ks just feel like a higher quality weapon than almost any other pistol I own. It's frustrating knowing how well H&Ks are made but knowing finding anything H&K is gonna cost you an arm and a leg.
@@SwornHeresy trigger springs, hammer rebound springs were always breaking - I don't think those were even in the later gen USPs but I ran a 1994 manufactured gun. various springs wore out. extractors broke. I had flat sear springs break. I shot .40sw with high round count.
HK says: We can`t sell you our cool guns in the USA because..........
Meanwhile: Beretta, CZ, FN, SIG, Glock sells their cool guns in the USA to civilians
All manufactures with dedicated manufacturing facilities here in the US
HK got burned a couple times in the 80s and 90s by American import restrictions and deliberate political targeting (Bush Sr.) so they more or less abandoned the US civilian market.
Add in German laws and it’s just not worth it to them to focus heavily on the US civvie market instead of their Euro military contracts.
Beyond that, they don’t offer anything spectacular. The 416 sucks and is outclassed by KAC and LMT offerings, Glocks are superior to their handguns, and subguns are obsolete.
H&K wouldn’t have build 100% of there guns (F the wouldn’t even exist) if it wasn’t paid by and developed for or in request with the German Government/ Defense Department and being over watched by the German Parlament, this means H&K has to fulfill German law and contracts! Even if they would start manufacturing in the USA, German Government issued, decommissioned and prototype contracts would still have to comply (even after end of service), unless they wanna lose pretty much every right of all of there blueprints! Including every that’s been designed for NATO countries. Only pistols (meaning what German law understands as being a pistol) don’t fall under these specific laws, unless it’s still being used in service of course^^! To top all of that because the 4.6x30mm cartridge used in the MP7 is and was only designed for defeating small arms body armor and can’t be designated as an hunting or sporting cartridge after the fact, there will never ever be a civilian MP7 version.
Trust me H&K is trying and doing everything the can within law to make civilian costumers happy! They know they can’t but still try each time the Design a new one for the civilian marked and trust me it’s hilarious expensive to do that within German law!
It’s because of these laws that Made in Germany has such a high standard, F they even got a law for brewing beer 🍻 every German brewing company needs to withhold!
It is what is! If they wouldn’t they believe standards would drop and in most cases it’s probably F true!
Sig Sauer by the way moved there headquarters and development from Germany to the US. They left every blueprint except pistols behind!
FN can make a PS90 but HK can't make a MP7 semi auto?
So basically what I got from this guy is, HK doesnt hate me, I just have to learn to be ok with dishing out approximately $50k to own an MP7A2, because they don't have priority for civilians. So, in conclusion, HK hates me.
Mmm no
No its because US import laws forbid it
Your wrong. Import laws. Just like the guy above said.
He did not say that, but this is obviously what you wanted to hear.
If German laws are a problem isnt that why they have their HKUSA subsidiary?
SIG Sauer used their US subsidiary as a trojan horse into US market and it was extremely successful for them in civilian and govt, they were of similar size to HK before but when they "americanized" their manufacturing capabilities grew to the point they are basically the second coming of Colt
The fact HK hasn't done the same is concerning
imagine if they bought out Tommybuilt to expand their American civilian market staff...
Would like to see this series expanded to Beretta, Walther, S&W and even CZ. Great job guys! Thank you for going over this topic. Maybe yall can get someone from CZ to sit down and explain what the hell they are doing with Colt and just in general these days because there is lots of crazy talk about them letting Colt (a failed company) take over US operations for CZ/Colt/Dan Wesson.
I find it interesting that HK is all od a sudden being talked about. I have not heard about them really since the VP9 came out. Now Ernest is offering LTT HK handguns and your channel along with others are talking about HK again.
How can it expand to those companies when no one thinks those companies hate us?
there isn't enough hype or demand for beretta, walther, S&W or CZ.... Those are budget brands compared to HK, KAC, LMT... etc
@@Josh-wv3mnBudget brands typically sell more volume though so that’s not why . Also there is less demand because there is more volume. People want what they can’t have and what is expensive and top tier. So yes there is a demand for those top tiers and that is because the lack of supply and due to all of that we have inflated prices on them. Most people cannot afford to dish out 3000-4000 dollars on one gun. I know people like to think they are paying for quality but they are paying for the name, reputation and hk tax which is basically just a simple way of describing what I just said about economics. So my point is yes there is a demand but no it’s not because the other brands are cheap, it’s a calculated decision by the company. Keep supply low to keep demand high and charge more because of that. The other option is to scale up to make more output and which ends up allowing them to lower their price, then lowers “street/store” price more because their is supply so no one’s willing to overpay. It’s just different business strategies and companies like
Hk that take that route don’t care about us lol. Just my opinion 🤷♂️
@@Josh-wv3mn If you think Beretta is budget, you obviously aren't aware of their shotguns that cost $150K.
@@PHIllip324 lmao the demand for that isn't high though. Believe me I do like their high end shotguns... I've owned a few myself (side by sides and over / unders) but they come and go. Those 150k shotguns isn't what this channel is about or what the viewers want.
Personally I believe that the high ups at HK have the mindset like the government that citizens whether there or any other country shouldn't have firearms and only police and military should. I believe the only reason they do make anything for civilians is because they feel forced to. Ultimately it looks like all they care about customer wise is the police & military.
The first great comment. Mostly Americans commenting on this board thus far. We do business based on a demand curve, where supply eventually meets demand, and then outstrips it. The eurozone countries have a real cultural problem with firearms ownership, and by extension, the American laws and commerce that allow Joe six pack to own just about whatever he wants. HK choses to limit their sandbox in our side of the world to stay friendly to cultures of the EZ and other nations governments that butter their bread. Federal contracts are much cleaner, easier and more lucrative than selling into the US that is really 51 separate legal entities they must comply and pay tribute to. The US is also already very crowded with lower margin competitors. Sig has executed well on their entry, I’d bet they don’t do as well on EZ government as they did before the 90’s.
How many people said that they would never release a civilian MP5 clone? Well it took them over 50 years to bring it to market. I would expect the SP7 to drop around 2050……
They offered civilian versions of the G3, HK33, MP5 and MP5K in the 1980s. The AWB put an end to that. We’re lucky they brought this back with the SP5 series.
Yep the rise of PCC for competitions really helped with the release of the sp5
I have the MR762a1, the MR27, and HK45. They are the best products on earth. I have called their customer service multiple times and they have always gone above and beyond to help me. For what that is worth
Short answer without any euphemisms is: you have illusion of freedom NOT Real Freedom. “Sporting Purpose” Sporting being necessary for the dumbing down of a free state, the privilege of the people to keep sporting arms shall be restricted.
I can get the same piston system that Type-A rifles uses for $260 delivered to my door to outfit my duty grade AR. I can get a Sig MCX most of the time in stock, and substantially less $$$ than the 416...... Keep it up HK, because we don't need you any more. The rest of the industry is rapidly taking your place.
I have been a fan of HK for decades. My first handgun was a USP. I got one as soon as I could after they were first released in the US. The serial number was in the low four digits. Over the years, they have slowly shifted to the back of my mind. As far as items like the MP7, the reasoning stated here is importation difficulties. First, I know HK has at least one US Factory which I believe is in Georgia. That removes that excuse. Second, it can easily be marketed as a pistol. Several other companies have done that such as Grand Power, B&T, and CZ. I believe that these companies are actually importing the guns and not building them here, yet they are able to do it. Third, how difficult is it to redesign a fire control assembly to make it semi-auto? Many other companies have done it. I would like to believe that it comes down to contractual obligations, staffing, etc., but I have been jaded by the actions of other companies with large government contracts such as Colt who seem to sway with the political winds- they willingly restrict sales of certain types of weapons to civilians based on "moral" reasoning, only to later change their mind because they need money and see an opportunity. Yes, I understand that HK is not Colt.
I did not go into all the reasons why it (civilian MP7 has not happened), but it is not as simple as you make it out to be. Just because they now have a manufacturing footprint here in Georgia does not automatically mean they can make whatever they want. Don’t assume that just because another company does something here that H&K can automatically do the same.
HK probably doesnt want to be "Bushmastered" or "Daniel Defenced" into financial ruin by US anti-gun groups.
Not to mention they could actually make a non-bastardized G36 and UMP here.
@@teufelshundtactical since I like HK, I really want to give them the benefit of the doubt. I did not intend to oversimplify and was not focusing specifically on the mp7. I just picked that as an example. Yes, I understand the video would be much longer if you were to go into detail about every reason, and I am sure there are reasons that HK does not want to or cannot divulge. I did not know that HK was that small as far as personnel goes. I was thinking maybe carefully vetted third party licensing to manufacture these items, but I'm not sure how that would turn out. HK has likely already considered this.
I may be wrong but I think the issue is that the MP7’s original purpose was for the cartridge it projects to be armor piercing.
🇩🇪🔱🇺🇸 As a German i can say, that’s 94.6% accurate… My country’s military weapon system laws prevents (HK) all of us ever having an MP7 semi-auto or any military marked/ issued semi-autos. On top because the 4.6x30mm cartridge (MP7) is been specifically and only designed for defeating small arms body armor and can’t be designated as an hunting or sporting cartridge after the fact, you never gonna see a semi-auto 4.6x30mm civilian MP7. No matter what… even if they would redesign it for semi-auto only and mark it SP,MR or what ever…
as an example: The manufacture (in this case H&K) of German military weapon systems has to find a similar sporting or hunting certified cartridge (7.62x51=.308,5.56x45=.223) in order to get a prototype license to produce a civilian semi-auto only version + additional review’s and regulations follow.
5.56, 7.62 or 12.7 MG’s, 40mm GL’s or anti-armor specific cartridges such as 4.6x30mm or 12.7x99mm for example, do not even get a chance for a license/ review.
LR-issued Sniper Rifles:
.300WIN (G22) or .338LM (G29) for example can be owned by licensed hunters and LR-certified sport shooters.
.50Cal (G82) or .50Cal (G24)? Hell no!
Also, even if H&K would start manufacturing in the USA, German (Defence Department) Government developed/ issued and or prototype weapon system contracts would still have to comply, even after end of military service.
Heckler & Koch Military Weapon Systems designed for or with the German Government/ Defence Department (BW*) are such as the H&K… MP5, UMP, MP7, G3, G11prototype, XM8prototype, G36, G95(416), G28(417), HK433prototype, MG3, MG4, MG5, GMW, AG-EGLM(M320)… only pistol’s (meaning what we Germans understand as an pistol, big difference!) don’t fall under these specific military weapon system laws. However, you… meaning (civilian) brothers & sisters in the US are way better off than us, especially with your gun license laws!
Even if you have a German dealership or gunsmith manufacture license for the civilian market, law and order would prevent you from having or building full-auto weapon systems, this even includes aftermarket clone correct markings/ engravings and conversion kits!
BW* = Bundeswehr - German Armed Forces
If you ever wanna make a German 2A supporter sad & cry ask them about there right to carry laws^^
With best regards 🤙🏼
laughs in American
I'm really sorry that's the case, it's bull-schiesse lol I mean a lot of people might not necessarily know that (just like with fun cars), a lot of the places where the best guns are built are countries with an absolute nanny state of a government, now or in the past. I mean BMW Mercedes and Audi are all in germany (bavaria, but whatever lol), yet the TUV means that you can't even put an *exhaust* on your car that isn't factory, unless it comes from an approved company, with the approved paperwork, that makes tuv-certified parts and plays nice with the de government. It's so stupid. Just like it's stupid that you can't sell a semi auto version of the mp7 because apparently that means I'd be "proliferating weapons of war" by purchasing one. Uhh no. Government on both ends is absolutely stupid, pandering, self-serving and up it's own anii, which is the really frustrating answer. Guten abend, btw : p
Tldr: not hks fault its the us govts fault
Good video guys, looking forward to seeing the rest of the series.
Thank you for support and watching the channel and a giant thank your actually listening and watching the video 👊🏼
A few years ago military arms channel did a video visiting a gun store in some European country and sitting on the rack was the semi auto version of the G36 in 556 , I think a lot of it has to do with the way the county regulates firearms to the place they want to export it to as well , because I remember the Tommy built G36 rifles getting complaints from the atf and those who bought them had to send their rifles in .
All a heard was H&K does not want to sell to us. Sig, CZ, Taurus all other manufacturers find ways to supply their costumer. But if you want an H&K, save your money and wait that special time I the year. Not for me.
h&k doesn’t hate us as much as you think. i understand what he is saying and frankly it isn’t in their business model to do that. The civilian side is a plus for them. I don’t have a huge problem with that.
What this video completely skips over, is that HK can hire more people and keep them busy full time. And I want to know why. Is exclusivity part of their business plan? Are they worried about their iron being used in crime?
HK has been burned before. RIP 9x series, glad we have SP5’s tho.
Exactly hit the nail l on the head!
I can assure you that HK Germany is still looking for employees to deliver the Bundeswehr contract of 120k 416 in time. It is strange that HK US is not able to supply the civilian market. I am very sure that HK wants to avoid being sued or being portrayed negatively in the public.
There is another way to get a select-fire MP5, you fork down a buncha money for a pre-‘86 transferable machine gun. It’s what I did to get a HK94 that had been converted to a MP5SD.
I think a VP9XK would be a cool new idea. VP9SK slide on a newly designed compact VP9 frame fitted for the 13-round magazines with a flush magazine plate. I think that’d sell well.
I'm admittedly only 2 and a half minutes into the video, but this guy COMPLETELY dodged the point of the MP7 thing; we're not asking for a sub machinegun, we're asking for a civilian-legal MP7.
And he answered it, you just don't like the answer.
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And he isn't disproving any of the complaints on HK. If anything he is confirming them.
The HK company does not and will not sell weapons to the American people. That's fine. Just come out and say it so we can just avoid your BS is all. Typical European, dancing instead of getting to the point.
@@billassande7628 He did not answer it, he was talking about machine guns, which is NOT what that particular topic is about. Tax stamps, Class III licenses, and SOTs have nothing to do with civilian-legal pistols and PCCs.
So the SP7 would be the version we are asking for.
HK clearly drags their feet on providing anything civilian. Whether they disdain commercial customers or not, who cares? Result is the same
Here in the UK certain Police units carry a semi auto (single shot) version of the MP7, so they do build one. Although it would need to be classified in some sort of personal or home defence category in the USA 😁
Semi-auto and single shot are not the same thing. Semi-auto is correct.
They’re kind of like KAC except HK still has a lot of government business. Sig Sauer, Geissele and Glock have all been able to keep up government contracts and also keep stuff in stock for the civilian market. There’s really only one reason that HK wouldn’t cater to the civilian market and it’s because they don’t want to. They care about government contracts not the civilian market. That business plan has worked out for them fine so far but the minute those contracts dry up they’re going to become as irrelevant as KAC.
James is a hero for the people
Always out to help with questions on Facebook without batting an eye!!!!
If they made a semi mp7, they would sell a ton.
Dear H&K, please make one for the US civilian market.
As long as it was 9mm, took Glock mags, and $1k.... yes.
I kid, but there are too few of us to spend $3k+ for all the hurdles it will take.
No they will not. People said the same sh*t about the ps90,5.7 when the mag ban got lifted. The np7 will be extremely expensive. just like the sp5 and broke kids won’t buy them. The mp7/4.6 has consistently shown in numerous combat situations it requires multiple hits on target and is only effective on full auto. Once gamer kiddies start to figure this out after reviews start saying it,sales will plummet. Just like the sp5. So for the love of god stop asking for a obsolete and basically useless firearm them make.
Will come, they work on that!
@@governmentcalamari9785 Exactly this. IF it were avail, influencers would buy (or borrow) ANY available, demand would skyrocket.... then fall out of orbit when the ammo is all gone. Which ammo company is gonna spool up a new caliber when they cant make enough 556 & 9? We dont deserve an MP7...
@@geebeaux I’ll take one if I can have select fire. But,a g36,416a5 and new hk 433 would serve a lot more uses for me and anyone looking for a general purpose rifle with how us regulates select fire.
I would use a semi-only mp7 for varmints...
First thing that came to my mind
Most of our H&K's are being serviced by military gunsmiths locally. But I have heard from several 417 issued users (as in the military marksman/sniper rifle), that the H&K Germany service is great. 🇧🇻
We have also heard the same dude thank you for watching and supporting 👊🏼
I think it’s frustrating because everyone recognizes the quality that comes with the HK name, and yet it seems like we can’t get our hands on any of their coolest products.
They don't want to sell you anything. They have cool stuff. But you will never be able to buy it.
The frustrating part is the circus show they try and cover up, at shot show or to the US gun buyer's. Just come out and be honest. We They won't sell to us.
Theta are also, basically saying they are a low production company….
Glock makes “a quality product” too and they make things totally available.
HK is just a small production company period….😕
How does HK USA in Georgia fit into the upcoming production plans? What products are they currently manufacturing and what is the future plans? Is manufacturing in the USA a a solution to shortages and export/import issues?
That’s above my pay grade
Hmm...not a convincing video.
The HK94 existed as a civilian weapon for a long time. It doesn't take 30 years to figure out how to grease the wheels and side step the import laws to bring the sp5 if you care about making money.
This is especially the case with weapons like the SL8, MR556, etc.
Somehow HKs other German, Austrian, Czech, Slovenian, Yugoslavian etc etc competition manages to import quality weapons ready for the end user. No one at HK could figure out how to convert the sl8 state side and rake in dough at a competitive price?
Germans think you can't smell bullshit. Well.... Here you go.
My first handgun was a HK USP. It was a mistake. I’ve spent the value of the gun modernizing the firearm for red dot optic, installing LEM trigger, flat trigger etc. It’s definitely not modular. I understand it’s an old firearm, but HK doesn’t seem interested in being consumer friendly.
With Century bringing in so many AP5s and with Zenith making a domestic clone - the market could grow enough to have HK increase their import numbers. But I think it will take a massive roller demand and a friendlier 2A government before we will see SP5s coming out of the GA plant.
I understand what they're saying but there has to be away around these laws. Manufacturing them in the US, Licensing the product, Having american made receivers and importing the parts. I don't understand how we've found a way to get MP5's, UMP's, G36's, 416's, PSG1's or at least clones, but we can't get the MP7. HK is one of the most idolized brands in the US. A place with millions of gun owners who have already proven they're willing to pay the insane HK markup. If HK wanted to, they already would have.
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I met with some of the guys from HK back at SHOT Show 2018 (or it may have been a couple years earlier) and I like most people, I thought HK hated us as that's the general rumor that is so pervasive across teh internet. I walked away from that experience with a different outlook on that. It's more that the German Government hates us rather than HK themselves. Not to mention, some of the problems we've had in this country with HK have more to do with our own stupid laws and making the market more difficult and costly for a company like HK to operate in without having factories here.
Dude. Thank you holy shit you nailed it on the head. Just scroll a little and see the absolute stupidity in this comments section. We said what the issue is and people still don’t get it. Thank you man your comment made my day 👊🏼
So he just said it… HK focuses more on military and LE, civilian market is a by product. They don’t hate us, we just aren’t at the top of the list.
I would love to no why the new mark 23 doesn't have a chrome lined barrel and salt water corrosion parts anymore but it still cost 2600$
That’s why I bought a MKE MP5K. HK USA Parts fit snug in & on my Z5P. I’ll keep my eyes open for a HK33 Clone from MKE. They use HK Licensed Machines to manufacture their clones.
Wanted MP 5 , but 3300 for stanped steel with polymer lower is crazy. Just got Mke mp5 instead
i learned to shoot a hand gun on the vp9. and once i got 1500 rounds in i went out and bought a czp09 and i sold the vp9
you can get the HK MR556A1 and there is a couple of manufacturers on the market that will turn it into the closest thing you can get to the real 416. BUT you still will pay for the golden ticket and wait to get it! On the backside I would love a 416 but think about it why would you want one when you can't really get parts and the customer services side you on hold forever? Just a thought!
I admit. I got talked out of an HK because the guy behind the counter said HK customer service is seriously lacking unless you're military or LE.
Hi Guys, I understand some of the reasoning but I'm still at a loss. If one of the main issues is German law then why can HK USA not be focused more on the civilian market with their own factory. I also do not see the issue with designating a sp7 (hkmp7) as they did with the mp5. I also find it hard to understand knowing how large the demand is especially in the US why they would not produce these weapons at if not more than military contract level.
1. Laws.
2. How to Get around those Laws.
3. Demand.
4. End user certificates.
I’ll be waiting HK. I really hope you guys can bring something good to the market en-masse.
I'm looming to buy a compensator for my 10mm bull barrel 1911 do you have any suggestions
European countries and Canada, and likely others, have had the HK243, MR223A3 (semi 416A5) for years. So, while James’ character and honesty are beyond reproach, the well-known explanation that American and German red tape is the issue doesn’t always add up. It would behoove H&K, while previously predominantly GOVT/LE-minded, and having suffered bankruptcy or near-bankruptcy crises, to *prioritize the American civilian market* more than any other demographic. And to the excuse that the warfighter ought to take precedence (the bearded gentleman): among the most unAmerican statements I’ve heard. The RKBA is a natural Right, and the critical importance that We the People have what we need or want for our defense when we need or want it does not take a back seat to anyone working for the government. (Insert footage of police and service members’ going door to door to disarm victims of Katrina. Insert footage of militaries’ disarming their people throughout the 20th century.) Now, of course I want our service members to be optimally armed for their safety and mission success; it’s not either-or. However, if it’s the MIL or We the People, as an American, the answer is We the People every fucking time. And LE (read: modern-day redcoats) ought to be put on a do-not-sell list, the opposite of Cal. loopholes, essentially.
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I feel the same way.
This just proves how incompetent HK leadership is when they can't get with the times and is why sig is eating their lunch in every way. They have a product everyone wants but they refuse to move more production to the US to get around the German government BS like sig did and refuse to hire more production and sales staff. HK is probably going to go out of business in a few decades and they honestly deserve it.
Exactly right. HK just needs to admit that they want to remain a small niche company. Either that or their leadership is truly horrible.
Interesting discussion. Thanks for sharing.
Recently bought a HK MR 762 built like a tank just wish the magazines were steel
Hell yeah I’m jealous that’s gonna be such a fun gun to shoot. The metal mags would add a ton of weight but I also get the allure of their dope metal mags.
@@Chrisblau they had it my local gun shop went back the next day bought it life is too short lol waiting for Nightforce to release the nx8 with dmx reticle for it
@@Redbusser40 right! Life is to short so send it on those poor financial decisions I do the same thing 😂😂
Never had a prob with HK customer service, it's a lot better than S&W imo.
Main complaint would be mag prices across the industry, Sig mags are also especially high priced.
HK is definitely my favorite brand of firearms and I’m never going to hate on them, but I am frustrated. Glock, Beretta, S&W, I never have any issues finding a model of them that I really want. It’s only HK. If Glock and Beretta can spit firearms out so there’s never a down time, why can’t HK? Hire more employees and open more factories. May take time to do it right, but why is that not in the works?
You guys gotta bring back the P7. It's grown in popularity massively since you stopped making it and I can't imagine that wouldn't sell big.
🤘😁🤘 Lots of questions I've wondered about over the years answered.
Good commentary here to all three of you.
The HK P30 LEM operating system configured as a now-popular slim double stack (stack and 1/2?) would be the bee's knees. I know, I know, but if you don't ask for what you want, it's never going to happen.
Germany reporting in: I waited THREE YEARS on my MR308!!
I'm just happy that H&K doesn't make a bunch of stuff that's, although readily available, needs recalls and isn't drop-safe and has inconsistent quality, etc.... you know which companies I'm talking about.
Mmhmm
Man I’m a big H&K fan and collector whatever I can get hands on I will! I love especially their USP’s that’s the real deal and most reliable! The best in the biz! But can I get a slim edc pistol like p365 xl. Please 🙏
I think in the HK community it's sort of like an inside joke. But I also joke about anyone who doesn't own an HK is a "poor"
Semi auto mp7s have been spotted in England in use by police. HK could likely bring the gun in same as they did with the MP5 (different name, no stock, marketed as a pistol). What’s likely holding it up is making the gun different enough in the eyes of the ATF that it won’t be considered “readily convertible” to Full auto.
Yep, the Brits have been getting them
Thank god for MKE that’s all I’m saying, it will hold me over until I can get a HK
Dope video guys, great info.
Thanks for watching my dude 👊🏼 thanks for the support also
Sounds reasonable to me - I’m patient and will buy anything that HK wants to sell me. Just got an SP5 a few weeks back
Consooooom.
I love my Mark 23. HK is an awesome company
😂 “I’m so angry at HK because they don’t do what I like…”
Sounds good. Patience have patience. Good things come to those who wait.... Patiently
They need to move back to Trussville, AL. I miss being able to go there and the people. But Steyr is still down the road.
They are literally right across the river. Take the short drive through Columbus and you're there.
@@teufelshundtactical I have 😆. Just being selfish.
Why didn't HK open a factory in America like Glock, CZ, Beretta and FN?
@@literallynobody1515 I assumed they did because of IS military contracts. Then shouldn't they be able to build anything they want to build in the US.
I understand why from HK, the biggest thing about HK is that one it’s a fucking German manufacture and their imports laws are so fucking strict of what they can or can’t import to the states. So there’s your answer, and also it has to do our import laws as well but mostly due to the import the German import laws.
Updating the USP series with an integrated light rail, optic cut and back straps would sell hard. Also update the capacity to 13 or 14…
I’d buy one
I just need H&K make more optic ready slide for the VP9 please and thank you
Love Hk. But there is a reason that they have almost went bankrupt multiple times. There is a reason that they didn’t win the contract for there own country. There is a reason sig is dominant in the us (unfortunately). Mismanagement. Hk doesn’t innovate as fast as other companies. Again love Hk but they get in there own way.
The whole idea of the military being put first before the civilian market makes sense.
Pretty much the exact reason why it took me so long to get a new Eotech G45.STS because they had military orders to fill first.
You nailed it on the head dude thanks for watching and commenting we really appreciate it 👊🏼
A question for the 3 of you folks-do you know of anyone milling HK hammer-fired slides for optics?
Yes, Langdon Tactical is now offering that service for H&K’s P30 line. If you stay tuned for Friday’s video, you’ll see Chris firing one of these pistols from Langdon, which will be featured later in a swap state review.
@@teufelshundtactical Thank you 🙏
Great explanation of the availability of certain firearms. In my experience, most people have little to no understanding of the what an absolute minefield of laws already exist regarding firearms; manufacture, importation, sale, transport and possession. Complaining about it to the store where you buy them or even the manufacturer is just stupid! Government agencies like the BATF and zealous politicians (usually not the president) and uneducated voters are the problem. As an analogy, I used to own an alcohol related business where I found a similar issue. Friends of mine expected me to deal alcoholic beverages to them out of the trunk of my car or ship them across state lines. These kinds of items are SO tightly regulated it creates all kinds of weird and issues. A person has to read between the lines to figure out why. Now imagine how hat H&K has to comply with two sets of government rules just to bring us some great options. It’s amazingly my they can do it at all! Also, Beretta and CZ and other other importers, each have their own set of domestic laws ( Italy, Czechoslovakia) to comply with before they can even consider import to the USA. I’m just happy I can get a P30 or a Beretta 92 at all! When I have the opportunity to reduce or simplify some of these laws, I will take it.
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Great series guys, and James thanks for sharing your HK knowledge.
Thanks
Thanks for watching dude we appreciate it 👊🏼
HKs primary market is Military and Law Enforcement agencies. The civilian market is not at the top of their priority list. Its an after thought. They want there big money government contracts
I mean can you blame them
H&K is cool but this video explains why I don't have interest in their products when the price is almost always higher and parts/models always more scarce in a market with handfuls of other capable alternatives why would I tie up extra time and hassel?
So mp5 changed to sp5 worked but mp7 to sp7 will not? Just saying this is why the love hate for HK exists.
In Germany even an Semiauto SP7 would be a weapon of war, because of the cartridge in use. As such it would need approval of the german government in order to export it. The government would never allow an export of "weapons of war" for the civilian market.
Antilucker I would have to say your wrong on that. How would they sell gun in 9mm nato, 5.56 nato, and 308 nato? You know the most common military calibers in the world.
You are right about that, but there are sporting leagues and competitions for 9mm, 223, 308, even 338Lap. Therefor these have "sporting purpose". There are no competitions for 4.6 in Germany, therefor it lacks "sporting purpose"
I like the antique HK 302 grenade launcher hanging on the wall in the background of the restaurant!
So Canada and Europe can get mr223a3 but US can’t get MR556a3?
The rumor I heard was because we as Americans don’t wear black turtleneck shirts and shop at ikea enough. Smh.
Pls explain
Wow... I was fairly neutral to HK and just passed them by due to better availability from their peers. After watching this video, I wouldn't even grace their products with a pile of my feces.
Is HK really that special or do we just make it that special? That being said, I just bought a VP9 Long Barrel OR slide kit, and a MI MP5 MLOK handguard for $500. Damn you HK and 1911 Syndicate!!!!!!!!
As a CommiFornian I'm surprised they added the H&K VP9 to the Roster.
the Euro has dropped 20% against the dollar over the last year. why are imported SP5s higher priced than 1-2 years ago? it's not just inflation because other brands aren't seeing similar increases
Hi, i think you miss the point how small this company is. Its a small plant in rural southern germany. they should expand their capabilties or open a plant in the US. Greetings from germany.